Is RMC In TROUBLE? - Why the LACK of New RMC Hybrids?
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- What is really going on with RMC (better known as Rocky Mountain Construction) with respect to the lack of new RMC hybrid coasters?
Between 2011 and 2019, there were 13 hybrid coasters completed by RMC worldwide. Since 2020, we have only seen two new hybrid coasters from RMC open across the world.
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We got 3 RMCs last year.
Arieforce One
Mineblower retrack(partial)
Wildcat's Revenge
So 2
@@baileyneedham169 That would still be 2 after he said we're not seeing 2 to 3 a year
@@NoMansLandTP he's talking about conversions only, not ground up or anything like that
Is B&M & Zamperla the only coaster companies left that isn't on Cedar Fair's no fly list?
Funny how Intamin and RMC get along with every other company. I wonder who the common denominator is
@@andyg4929idk if early 2000s intamin got along with everybody
Nope they get along with MACK gerstlauer GCI etc:
Vekoma
Mack, Gertslauer, GCI, Vekoma
Hurler already got RMCed (routine maintenance by Carowinds)
😂😂
No parks outside of Universal are building large scale roller coasters at the moment, I mean B&M is building family coasters at the moment. So it's not surprising, plus RMC does a ton of other stuff to keep them busy.
Did TT2, Iron menace, Flash, and Georgia surfer disappear
We're definitely past the coaster wars era. Family coasters are huge right now since they bring in the crowds
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They will bring in the crowds locally but if you build a new top of the line coaster that’s when you attract the people that will travel to your park. You gotta balance both.
@@PLUMMAxX Sure, but that depends on the park and the type of crowds you're trying to attract. Family coasters have come a long way. I guarantee that fully well themed family coasters like gotg at epcot and hagrid's at IOA will attract more of the general public than something like a giga ever will.
Walibi Holland dorney Park great adventure Canada's Wonderland six flags over Georgia and cedar point?
RMC has done a lot of coasters since 2011. They’ve built 25 coasters now with 14 of them being converted from old wooden coasters. I think the reason why they’re not building as much as before is because maybe we’ll see an RMC T-Rex coming soon. Maybe we’ll see one at Universal Orlando Resort, replacing Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit!
Wow, I hope that Rocky Mountain Construction (RMC) isn’t done with converting old wooden coasters into hybrids. Because, some parks desperately need a little attention with a new, major coaster.
On that subject, here’s the top 10 coasters that could benefit from a RMC Hybrid conversion:
1. Roar (Six Flags America)
2. Hurler (Carowinds)
3. Wilde Beast (Canada’s Wonderland)
4. Coaster Express (Parque Warner Madrid)
5. Loup Garou (Walibi Belgium)
6. American Eagle (Six Flags Great America)
7. Pegasus (Mt. Olympus Water and Theme Park)
8. Timberwolf (Worlds of Fun)
9. Bandit (Movie Park Germany)
10. Magnus Colossus (Terra Mitica)
Even though I love Hades 360 an RMC conversion would probably make my top 5
I hope Canada's Wonderland and La Ronde can be on RMC's radar assuming Cedar Fair can resolve differences with RMC
I think after the merger La Ronde is gone.
I know Mine Blower in Fun Spot Kissimmee just got 208 tracked, but it was still UNGODLY rough! 🤕. A full blown iron horse treatment would work wonders!
I rode it like 4 days ago and I believe it was only the very end that got retracked.
Wow what a staggering stat line.. makes me wonder if RMC is concentrating on other ride types like their single rail Raptor and T-Rex. Crazy to think there is nothing really rolling down the pipe. I was anticipating an Iron Gwazi clone or something’s not of the like for BGW. With this merger of Cedar Fair and Six Flags makes me wonder if they want to see where the monies layout. RMC creates great rides. Hopefully they can work the reliability angle as well.
SFGA is my home park. I'd love a huge American Eagle conversion, but sadly I don't see it because of Goliath. You never know though. I'd love to also see a Intamin blitz or a crazy RMC raptor in place of Demon. But i agree with you with a dive in place of the go karts
They might get Gravity Group to redo American Eagle like Tonnerre 2 Zeus,. The Beast and Grizzly
I’m sure the Cedar Fair / Six Flags merger has partly to do with it.
I mean they do own the lion's share of wooden coasters left that would be candidates for a retrack right? Stands to reason they have to get their merger sorted out before they move forward with new ride plans.
„No rumors in sight regarding any other older wooden coaster getting the RMC treatment“ is literally not true. There are rumors about Bandit at Movie Park Germany potentially getting an RMC treatment. The park seems to have already been in talks with different manufacturers to weigh their options.
1. The market (in the US) may be saturated with RMC Hybrids, with all of them offering similar experiences and sensations.
2. Parks outside of Universal and SeaWorld may be still feeling the effects of the pandemic.
3. The market has shifted towards more of a focus on family rides and attractions, hence manufacturers like RMC and B&M announcing and building family focused products.
4. Reliability may be an issue, especially with their swing axle trains.
Reasons 1 and 3 are kinda working against each other
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od eehh, not really. The full scale hybrids offer a much more intense ride experience, while I imagine the family style hybrids offer a much more tame version of the same sensations. Instead of trying to send you to the moon like Arie Force One does, the family style models might just offer quick pops of airtime at a slower speed. Not to mention, the family style models probably won’t have the inversions and the insane transitions some of the full size hybrids do.
I don't get the fear. RMC still has steady projects.
The thing is, RMC is a smaller company that does everything in house. Cost effective, but they can only take on so much work at once.
Now they are splitting it between Ibox projects, family coasters, and raptors. That's on top of maintenance projects like 208 and rebuilds like Lightning Rod.
True but as far as the hybrid coasters go, there isn't any new ones in sight. it's just odd...
I think that Wilde Beast or Minebuster at Canadas Wonderland could really use a conversion. I think Minebuster would be out of the question due to the surrounding waterpark, but Wilde Beast is a good candidate. Then, they could remove Minebuster for a waterpark expansion and add a new modern GCI woodie
Cedar fair make my dreams come true
Certainly Beast, since Minebuster DOES have the potential and possible space to offer airtime. A Gravity Group or GCI reprofile is possible while still respecting the space available
I hear it's because RMC can't use their installation crew in Canada due to laws insisting on using Canadian construction teams.... I could be wrong though
@@coasterchum8289 I heard something like that too, I wonder whether it is something that actually affects whether they can come to Canada and build or not. I feel like we have had American coaster construction teams here before
I think Werewolf at Walibi Belgium could get the RMC treatment. It’s a very rough coaster and RMC transformed Robin Hood at Walibi Holland into Untamed, an amazing coaster.
More wooden coasters that could be converted into RMC Hybrids:
Arkansas Twister at Magic Springs Theme and Water Park in Hot Springs, Arkansas into "Mineral Twister"
Pegasus at Mt. Olympus Water & Theme Park in Wisconsin Dells, Wisconsin into "Wild Pegasus"
Hellcat at Clementon Park and Splash World in Clementon Park, New Jersey into "Steel Claws"
Tornado at Adventureland in Altoona, Iowa into "Twisted Tornado"
Twister III: Storm Chaser at Elitch Gardens in Denver, Colorado if the park gets re-located to Aurora, Colorado into "Metallic Twister"
Your list is all small regional parks that were likely hit hard by the pandemic. It's kind of doubtful they are going to spring for the kind of money a conversion will cost in the immediate future.
M@MrSRAater? All of the above Wooden Rollercoasters that you mentioned, are perfect candidates for the Very Capable Hands of The Gravity Group to restore. Their Vertical Stacked Pre-Cut Wooden Track is The Best Thing that could have happened to restore The Traditional Wooden Rollercoaster. No more Murdering of The Traditional Wooden Rollercoaster by Ruin My Coaster,(RMC)!! They can stick with building Rollercoasters from the ground up. That's the only time I don't call them Ruin My Coaster.
Not trying to be rude but those names are horrible................. Perfect for an RMC!
Ground up coasters just seem cheaper than hybrid conversions. Doesn't mean they won't be done building them but i guess its just cost.
Hope that rmc is not dying out because loup garou at Walibi Belgium and Bandit at movie park Germany definitely need an rmc makeover.
Coaster Express too
I live in STL and me and my spouse rode the Boss and dang that ride was rough, it would be great if it gets the RMC treatment, and still my home park SFMM I was wondering what coaster they will add on the plot of land where the Golden Bear theatre was at
Or they could retrack it, and give it PTC trains
Remains to be seen if the newly merged company will show anymore love to ST LO then the old Six Flags did. I wouldn't hold my breath though. That park has always been treated like a red headed stepchild and Cedar Fair did the same thing with a lot of their smaller parks before the merger as well.
Lots of reasons for this going on...
-The pool of conversion-worthy candidates is dwindling. Worldwide, I can think of 15-20 wood coasters that would probably benefit from the process, but less than half those are at parks that could both afford to do it and would consider it.
-Conversions aren't as cheap as they used to be. For example, Wicked Cyclone in 2015 and Joker in 2016 were both around $10 million. By comparison, I've heard the similarly sized Wildcat's Revenge in 2023 was $15+ million, which represents a significant price hike.
-Compounding the above are the Raptor models, which are more economical than a conversion. Even the larger Raptors are cheaper than the smaller conversions and don't require sacrificing an existing coaster to install, which is probably why RMC seems to be selling more of them than IBox rides in recent years.
-Parks simply aren't buying as many large thill coasters these days, at least domestically. While eight large coasters did open last year, only three were thrill coasters (two of which were RMC projects), with the other five being geared toward a family audience.
-208 ReTraK has emerged as an option for parks that just want to reduce maintenance on an existing wooden coaster without significantly altering the layout and turning it into a brand new ride experience (along with similar products from other companies).
-In the US, enough IBoxes have been built that there's diminishing returns to parks buying one over a different type of ride, especially if they or a competitor already have a ride of similar style.
Is this concerning? Not in the least. RMC is still getting steady business, and with three confirmed Raptors for 2025 there will definitely be more rides from the company coming soon.
This! All of THIS!
There's a finite amount of parks that would convert a woodie to a hybrid. The two Cedar Fair parks that have added them, CP and KD, had other woodies to fall back on so they aren't without a woodie. And I don't think many parks would convert one without another woodie in their lineup
The Dragon a steel coaster at Adventureland needs to be RMC'd 😂
TBH im Shocked Silver Dollar City went With RMC after all the issues Had with Lightning Rod at Dollywood. My guess is Cedar Fairs newest best friends are Zamperla and Vekoma... and im not mad at that.
I think it's a side effect of parks focusing on family additions and some residual covid pain. It's gonna be all about family coasters the next couple of years because while parks still want to make investments, the money perhaps isn't there right now and many of these parks haven't had a family coaster for awhile anyway.
A few points:
1) RMC's initial popularity was a response to the 2008-2010 recession. It allowed Six Flags to add unique thrill coasters for a fraction of the cost of a B&M hyper. And since X2 bankrupted Arrow Dynamics, Six Flags probably felt some sense of obligation to get RMC off the ground.
2) 13 years later, RMCs are kind of everywhere in the US. The benefit of adding another one just isn't as big as it was in 2015. Sure, there are a couple of projects in Europe that would be enormously beneficial for those markets. But most wood coasters are in the US, so that's been driving their conversion business. This is actually problematic for Six Flags America. Roar is a very similar layout to Wildcat, so RMC'ing it wouldn't provide a great competitive advantage for the investment. They'd be more likely to get a small Raptor clone instead.
3) Demographic change. Many of the Millennials who enjoyed RMCs in the early 2010s now have young kids. They're not looking for the most thrilling, ejector-air, adrenaline-inducing experience possible. They're looking for well-themed family areas with lots of great photo-ops. That's why RMC has tried so hard to break into the family coaster market. First with custom layouts, then with the Fire In The Hole conversion, and with the Wild Moose as a cheap, clone-able option.
4) Non-hybrid alternatives. Gravity Group EPT and GCI Titan Track provide a smoother experience while keeping older woodies wooden. Titan Track is probably going to transform Roar, Boss, and Monstre eventually. Parks at the bottom of the pecking order, where a RMC conversion isn't best for business, will get this treatment instead.
Best we can probably hope for in the near term is a herd of Wild Moose to pop up across the country. (Until it's Hurler's turn for conversion)
A German youtube channel has an interview with the owner/ceo of movie park germany. and they are most likely going to use titan track on it. They would want to keep the ride family friendly, so an RMC conversion is unlikely.
Also, if you ask me, RMC isn't getting any new orders due to maintenance cost and operational issues. They got into the market with a cheap price tag and the promise of fixing rides. If the rides don't run well, they aren't really fixed. If the maintenace costs are high, it isn't cheap. Therefore, they are losing their market and customers are looking elsewhere.
Very good video! I've been thinking a lot about this same subject lately too...
Well there's one reason for that ever since the pandemic things haven't been quite the same. Since the pandemic there has been more incidents at parks , I just think overall places are short-staffed and customer service isn't as good as it used to be, they did have part shortages for a lot of companies and things like that.
Also inflation has gone up so much that it's costly. There's a lot of parts that have been building family style b&ms and not building large-scale coasters. Besides the Raptor track there really is no small scaled RMC's.
I do have that new family coaster that they've created which looks pretty cool. And that's probably why they debuted that to show that hey we can build this small scale coaster.
But honestly some of these old wooden coasters are classic and I'd rather see them be refurbished to keep their classic feel.
I honestly loved Colossus but I don't like Twisted Colossus.
I'd rather see brand new ones from the ground up be transformed. The only one that made sense that was better than the original is Gwazi that is my number one coaster now. But that wasn't necessarily like an old coaster beforehand. And also with the humidity it's really hard to upkeep for wooden coasters in Florida.
Cuz it'd be a real shame that sometime in this world that we never have a wooden coaster anymore and no one ever gets to experience it because they're all gone and transformed over.
But I like your thoughts!
Roar at six flags america and other woodies in smaller parks dont get the rmc treatment because even if they were at best the park would brake even with what they paid for the coaster otherwise they would be losing money.
I agree with what others have commented, the market for a hyper hybrid is tiny. It's too expensive and the ROI depends wildly on the market of a park. We're still clawing our way out of the massive financial pandemic disruption. Many parks are better off making/remaking a new area with that same money. Smaller hybrid conversions likely have a brighter future. I do wonder if we'll see more non-inverting RMC conversions to cater to the family thrill market. Every rollercoaster manufacturer (look at B&M) is offering smaller options, they have to diversify their portfolio or else the only work they'll end up doing is maintenance. I think Fire in the Hole at Silver Dollar City has a lot riding on it for RMC. If it's successful (reliable) I think they'll drum up more work.
To me it’s just supply and demand. The market for wooden coasters needing major renovations is wayyyyy tiny. They snagged up almost the entire market there right away. Paris not doing RMC are likely happy with how their woodies run/bring in guests. To us it seems obvious there’s a bad coaster somewhere, but it’s quite a stretch for any park to really consider unless the other option is tearing it down in most cases.
I’d expect to see 1-2 a decade going forward for RMC’ing existing coasters and RMC will continue to do ground-up rides. Also doesn’t help that Titan track exists or just partial steel replacements like Lightning Rod.
End of the day, majority of parks aren’t investing in new coasters that often, several years inbetween. Market is small, RMC needs to (and I believe they are doing a good job) focus on ground-up and more innovation to drive business.
Yup
I think a lot of eyes are going to be on Lightning Rod this year. I imagine it's been a major thorn when parks ask about reliability for RMC and if they can get it to be more reliable, more parks may start getting RMCs again.
Even though it still ended up being a major investment, it's also possible that RMC gave Hershend a deal for Fire in the Hole to have a new ride this to have the best bet to patch their reputation.
My thoughts come down to two factors. First one is company relationships. Cedar Fair to me is a wait and see, because it’s become somewhat apparent that they didn’t like how Steel Vengeance and Twisted Timbers did the first year at their respective parks. Now I’m not saying the ridership, I’m talking more on the maintenance side. With that in mind I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see any RMC projects take place, unless six flags execs that have positions on the new merged company can convince Cedar Fair otherwise.
I definitely see opportunities for Seaworld to continue their relationship as Iron Gwazi is really popular, and probably gets the most ridership at Busch Gardens Tampa. I could easily see a ground up hyper hybrid down the road at Busch Gardens Williamsburg, a Raptor at Seaworld Orlando/San Diego, a mid size hybrid for San Antonio (think Arie Force one), and maybe a set of Wild moose coasters for the Sesame place parks if not maybe a RMC family hybrid for the new one that recently opened. Six flags is pretty much dependent on the merger details with Cedar Fair, and how each side evaluates who the new company will work with.
Universal has possibilities, but I think their options would lie more within a family route as I think they could maybe do something similar to the new fire in the hole at Silver Dollar City. Maybe some Universal properties could get raptors, but I doubt will see any hybrids at Universal properties.
In terms of Merlin, I see some options if they wanna get creative particularly at Alton towers with Project Horizon if it’s an indoor coaster. Be cool to see a more thrill level indoor coaster, essentially taking the Fire in the Hole concept and turning it up a notch since Alton’s last thrill coaster was the Smiler. I also could see Thorpe Park, Heide Park, and Gardaland having potential for thrill level hybrids. However, I think if Chessington or Legoland parks get ones they’ll be more on the family side which would likely point to a wildmoose, Family Hybrid, or indoor family coaster.
My other factor is candidates. I know there isn’t a lack of candidates for conversions. However, briefly revisiting the relationships I discussed there are only so many chains that have candidates, and unfortunately cedar fair provides the meat of the list aside from maybe six flags. Six flags I think potentially will eventually RMC Roar, Boss, and I could even see something like American Eagle or at some point predator (yes I said Predator) getting the treatment down the road. I know some will argue Predator will never get rid of its Titan Track, but to me if they want a quick solution to that park’s coaster drought a hybrid conversion would be a cheap option, since I know six flags don’t put a ton into the park because they only operate it, they don’t own it. Amongst other candidates over seas, I at best see maybe 15-20 more conversions over the next 10 or so years. I think in the long run ground up hybrids and family models will be their best shot at selling products to parks. Raptors I see eventually dying down a bit, since some of the bigger models aren’t as good as the compact ones. Sorry for the long comment, I just had a lot of thoughts.
I don't think this is any sort of anomaly, for one, RMC is getting the nod to work on many roller coasters that are not Hybrids, such as the new Fire in the Hole, and making a few more raptors. And also, there is just a more limited range of coasters to to get the Iron Horse treatment. Edit: Parks are also in some debt and are focusing on smaller additions.
Yup
Disappointing when CF gives up on a manufacturer that they only used twice and only one of the 2 gives them trouble.
I can sum up this subject with 2 letters Brandon, GG. Gravity Group!! Dude, there's been more maintenance on the Coasters that was Destroyed by Ruin My Coaster,( RMC) There's been more downtime on Steel Vengeance for example, when it was still Mean Streak. Of course Mean Streak had downtime for maintenance on some occasions. But not with the actual structure, and more stress. This is the main reason why Cedar Fair has cut ties with Ruin My Coaster. Gravity Group could have restored Mean Streak if Cedar Fair had waited, and it would have been an Outstanding Rollercoaster with the vertically stacked Pre-Cut Wood. Gravity Group would have most likely made the 1st drop steeper on Mean Streak, creating some good Airtime, and making the turns Steeper after the 1st drop for glass smooth transitions on The Trains, and they probably would have done some Major Changes to the 2nd half of The Coaster making it more like Steel Vengeance, of course not having inversions, giving Mean Streak a more exciting finish. Gravity Group has done some Very Awesome Work on Wooden Rollercoasters. Like on The Racer at Kings Island, and on sections of The Beast. Fire in The Hole is a Ground Up Built RMC Coaster, and that's the only time I don't refer the company as Ruin My Coaster. They can build Rollercoasters from the Ground Up all they want to. It's time to stop destroying The Traditional Wooden Rollercoasters. PERIOD!! And the Wooden Rollercoasters that you mentioned that should get Destroyed by Ruin My Coaster?? NEWS FLASH!! GRAVITY GROUP To the Rescue!! BTW I used to Absolutely Love The Once Mighty Colossus at Six Flags Magic Mountain after it was Reprofiled in 1979 by Bill Cobb Associates, and The Single Buzzer Lap Bar PTC Trains were added, AKA Screemy Meemy Version in National Lampoon's Vacation. It was Pure Airtime Nirvana!!! Magic Mountain should have Preserved that version of The Coaster instead of saying that it was out of date after just 36yrs of operation?? That was Absolutely BULLSHIT!! Tell Kennywood that their Wooden Rollercoasters are out of date. They'll Laugh in Your Face!! They know how to Maintain Wooden Rollercoasters, and keep them running like Fine Tuned Swiss Watches!! BTW. That's why Hurler at Carowinds is Remaining a Traditional Wooden Rollercoaster and Glad of it. Cedar Fair probably wished they had kept Hurler at Kings Dominion as a Wooden Rollercoaster, instead of having it Destroyed by Ruin My Coaster!! Oh Yes, Run My Coaster is more focused on their Marty Moose Rollercoaster, that's pretty much a knockoff of The Zamoerla Wildmouse Rollercoaster. In Holiday World's Rollercoaster Bible, The verse is, Thou Shalt Not Steel,(RMC)!!
Wild Waves Theme and Water park in Washington State is my home park (unfortunately). Wild Waves has gone downhill over the past couple years. We have one wooden coaster there: Timberhawk Ride of Prey. It used to be a great coaster. Now…not so much. If RMC could turn it into a hybrid, more people might actually go to the park. That’s assuming the park even has enough money to do that and fix up the rest of the dilapidated park. It makes me so sad to see Wild Waves how it is now 🥺
I think Dollywood has learned their lesson on working with RMC. That Lightning Rod failure should have been a metal Maverick style Intamin, but could have been Mack rides.
RMC recommended the steel track for the launch but Dollywood wanted the wood.
Still their fault since they weren't competent for the ride to continually operate @@avg1005
The parent company literally just opened fire in the hole??? Built by RMC you obviously have no clue what you're talking about
@@crazysanor You obviously like picking fights. If my comment has no value to you, then move on and don't talk to me.
No mention of Magnus Colossus at Terra Mitica? They might not have the money, but if it were RMC'd it would legit be a contender for #1 in the world with what they could do to it.
I just want them to retrack Eagle, that ride should be kept as is, and not RMC'd
As for the Boss, I think they should try retracking and changing the trains instead of RMC"ing it
RMC Is building their first family coaster. Not fire down below, look it up. Focusing on Family coasters, which is all the rage right now.
Hopefully RMC may be about to do refurbs to The Boss at Six Flags St. Louis, and a couple other wood coasters at other Six Flags parks, and a wood coaster at Holiday World, and a couple more wood coasters at other parks that's seen better days, and a couple more ground up I-Box coasters.
Hopefully the RMC TRex single rail coaster is still in the works.
2024 may just be another year of "just okay" coasters, kind if like 2017. Maybe 2025 will pick back up again with the new major coasters.
I think when a park makes a huge investment, they need to pull visitors from a larger area to make it worthwhile. And with RMC hybrids scattered throughout so many parks now, that ability to draw people from farther distances becomes diminished, decreasing the potential for parks to get a solid return on their investment in one.
Europe is crying out for more RMC’s, the U.K. desperately needs an RMC! So do France, Spain, and Germany!
Movie park Germany should RMC their wooden coaster!
PortAventura Spain should definitely RMC their wooden duelling coaster!
A ground up RMC would give Park Astrix one of the best coaster lineups in Europe.
Any park adding an RMC in the U.K. would do well from it attendance wise.
It seems like everyone’s going with the GCI titan track. To just modernize the coasters
I’ve been thinking about this too. I love watching RMC conversions being built. I was thinking about some of the structural problems they’ve been having, I mean Hershey quietly added supports to Wildcat’s revenge soon after it opened.
It's simple! Not many hybridization candidates left.
Most of them are in Europe, but yeah. Asside from Boss and Timberwolf, the Ibox track attraction has kind of run its course.
You should reach out to park maintenance about RMC. RMC was the new kid on the block and now parks can see a better year over year maintenance cost required for RMC coasters and that may not match with what RMC sales people told the parks 😂
Eh, there's a more optimistic take right under our noses compared to all the doom and gloom: they're spread thin working on a VERY LARGE PROJECT. A real dinosaur of a coaster
There's still so many coasters they need to convert imo bandit timber wolf the boss roar hurler coaster express Loup gorau Wilde beast American eagle and some others I'm forgetting
I saw you at Twisted Timbers, 2nd to back row, and your friends on Intimidator 305 yesterday. I was too scared to say hi.
Next time say hi! Never be scared :)
Here are a few reason why RMC is not as hot post covid. 1. Parks are still holding their purse strings tightly since covid. 2> With the merger between Six Flags and Cedar fair, they are probably waiting for the merger to go through before they really invest in coasters. 3. Most parks post coaster wars are realizing families, rather than enthusiasts are driving their business, and are investing in coasters that are appropriate to this demographic.4. Until they really improve their reliability, parks will also be skittish. Just the issues between Lightening Rod, Steel Vengeance, and Iron Gwazi, is enough to make anyone be put off. 5.Also, Area Force One, although great, the airtime has been deemed too much and the people complaining about thigh pain and bruises are probably going to turn it into an I305 situation...
They are limited to how many wooden coasters are available that parks want to transform
Brandon! I’ll be at Carowinds July 5th!
Yay!!!
Well they had Lightning Rods grand reopening this year too!
I personally think they need to stay creative. Now partnered with Larson, and with a worldwide focus on family rides, wouldn't it be cool to see a Tilt a Whirl coaster. Imagine a classic coaster facade with an old school figure 8 layout loaded with trick track to replicate that timeless chaotic motion spin only the tilt a whirl car can produce.
Or maybe Kennywood could have them put Raptor track on Steel Curtain, you know, give Joe Draves another crack at it!
I hope this isn't the case. I can think of at least ten rough wooden roller coasters that would be the next best options for an RMC redo. I can understand why some of this parks might not have reached out to them for financial reasons, but I am confident those rides would pay for themselves once they open as better coasters.
It’s because everyone is just building kiddie coasters and family boomerangs
6:15 What is the best data we have on the reliability/upkeep differences between a typical RMC hybrid like Wildcat's Revenge and something like a B&M dive coaster?
Honestly I can see more RMC open for this decade just the pandemic so we’ll see because we still have like 6-7 years before this decade ends
I have been wondering the exact same thing lately. As far as I see it, in the theme park world, RMC hybrids are equivalent to the hottest ticket on Broadway (for now). We all know everything has its lifespan. But for those revolutionary life-changing thrill machines to abruptly hit the brake run and go from 1000 to 0 is in fact "concerning." By now every (major) park should have one yet many of them don't. Your Carowinds and my Great Adventure are just two prime examples. But hopefully over time we will see another RMC coaster war resurgence and bring that brand back to a position of prominence where it belongs.🤞🤞🤞
There is also potential plans for RMC to be working on another indoor coaster, this being for Alton Towers
There isn’t…
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It was in an interview with Merlin's creative director
Project horizon won't be an RMC, they teased it in a promotional video however there's no actual confirmation@@drawsomethewizard3006
I think RMC should focus more on ground up hybrid coasters going forward
Two things. 16 years ago the economy tanked and fewer children were born. So your prime extreme coaster rider age just aren't around. Secondly four years ago the pandemic gave the entire entertainment industry a near death experience. And parks are just happy they survived. Combined it means parks are going with smaller investments geared toward low thrill audiences. Check back in a decade.
Would love to see Ground Up RMC Hybrids at SeaWorld Orlando, BGW, Alton Towers, Kennywood, Holiday World, Universal Islands of Adventure!
Why build the support with wood when it can be built with steel? ArieForce One basically showed the viability of an all steel ground up that is built in the hybrid style. Parks would get the same type of a ride with a lot less maintenance headache.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 I'd be good with more all steel structures and hybrid track ground up installations from RMC
I have never ridden a RMC hope to change that this year... having said that my question is how accommodating are they to larger people? I noticed some reviews saying that if you are big or tall good luck fitting into one. Maybe that would be a reason why a park would shy away from installing one.
If your large or tall good luck 👍
There’s a novelty with wooden though that a lot of parks don’t want to lose, especially for a ride that needs almost the same amount of annual maintenance. I think it is inventory honestly keep the classic or start ground up is where parks are at especially with inflation
i would love some Boss love whether it's RMC or my preference a gravity group precut track.. but definitely new trains.
the ride is great imo despite being a shell of its former glory... but visually impressive and an amazing speed hill after the first drop.. growing up with SOB I rode and didn't think it was incredibly rough, but definitely something you don't marathon. (i found their screaming eagle to be just as rough but a nicer layout having less turning)
SF ironically hasn’t done another RMC conversion since Twisted Cyclone back in 2018. Boss at SFSTL was highly considered before COVID cancelled that plan
Covid shelved a lot of projects and scaled back a lot of other ideas. I mean let's look at this realistically. We have to know that this big coasters take years from concept to opening day. It's early 2024 right now. Anything that was only concept or proposal in early 2020 got postponed or cancelled outright I would imagine, 2021 probably didn't see a lot of new projects get off the ground either (at least until the back half of the year). 2022-23 saw the disastrous management shift at Six Flags that resulted in the attendance numbers completely tank at their parks while everybody else was going gang busters. The merger with Cedar Flags happened during the back half of 2023 so it won't surprise me if major projects don't get moving until the back half of this year. The only big coasters SF has opened since 2020 were already contracted for before Covid and the new CEO came onboard. Everything else announce or built has been family sized at best.
Pretty sure RMC was called out to look at American Eagle for a possible conversion and RMC said nope and pitched Goliath instead and thats what they went with.
Besides, American Eagle runs fine imo. Sucks it cant race but still.
Also, Timberwolf is a wayyyy better ride than Zambezi Zinger. That thing is gonna need help in about 5 years cuz it already feels rough.
Isn't walibi holland getting 2 rmc Raptors
Parks are focusing on family coasters not big coaster anymore
I think a lot has to do with back log of contracts from 2020. RMC will start working again.
RMC is not in trouble anyway they are getting ready for there next big project and also adding more hybird coasters. Also roller coasters are not getting outdated for a while
And some of the roller coasters that you mentioned could either get gci titan track or the KD grizzly’s treatment
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It will be interesting to see what the merger brings. Plus you have the Gravity Group now with their track new track system. I think RMC should try and Focus on ground up models. Not to mention the economy is still unstable so parks are probably still being a little more conservative.
I agree RMC should do more ground up Hybrids an see how creative and unique they can be!
It seems like GCI and The Gravity Group has more projects this year than RMC.
GCI has no projects (in terms of building coasters)
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od I didn't say they were building coasters, but they are currently putting Titan track on 2 coasters this year.
Why not just build a new hybrid from the ground up?
I loved the old Kings island ghost video😢 so long ago
The paramount days sucked
BGW was gonna go with it at first but I think the financial situation and ROI was gonna be too much for them so they rather stick with the B&M for reliability
Sea World is pouring a ton of money in to their park in Orlando as they shift away from animal attractions and towards thrill rides. I'm not saying they aren't giving new rides to their two BG parks but it seems like their primary focus is going to be on the SW parks as they try to move away from that Black Fish disaster.
They a re building a double raptor in the Netherlands. But no not a hybride that i know there about 3 coaster in Europe that could use the RMC treatment Like you said Bandit and then the one in Warner madrid and Loup garou in walibi Belgium. Well actualy four but i heard that they gonna buils a hotel on the place where the one in terra mittica is standing.
5:59, I ride American eagle last year for the first time in 6 years and I don’t understand the hate, it’s a fun, long ride that has some good airtime and laterals, would be cool if the did rmc it tho. It would be twisted colossus on steroids.
The company was sold and Schilke retired..Might be a new direction the company is going but we hope not
I kind of wonder what the marketability of a ground up I-box hybrid is for a park that wants to keep its current woodies intact. If a park has an old classic woodie that they wouldn't dream of RMCing, would a ground up I-box coaster like Zadra (though not necessarily on that scale) be viewed as a shiny new attraction or would the general public see it as yet another woodie? I mean any new model B&M like a dive coaster or wing coaster immediately looks new and eye catching. But an I-box coaster (especially with a wooden structure) might not immediately turn heads.
Obviously, the on ride experience would be excellent since RMC only makes great rides. But coaster manufacturers aren't really household names so you need something visual about the coaster to turn heads.
I guess what I'm saying is that it may be that RMC coasters don't look as cool as they are so maybe they don't draw in the crowds. Or at least they don't draw in the kind of crowds that result in a boost in ticket sales. Sure, an RMC might have a long line but that might be local guests who have a season pass and already know the ride is good, as well as enthusiasts who know that RMCs rule. But when a family sees a billboard for a new dive coaster, 4D coaster, flying coaster, indoor coaster or record breaking giant coaster they might decide to visit the park when they otherwise wouldn't have. But if they see what to the eye appears to be a wooden coaster they might like that but it doesn't strike them as "I HAVE to ride that thing."
You're basically talking about something like ArieForce One and given how much cheaper it is than a traditional steel coaster I'd say it's a very viable concept. I mean you could build it with wooden supports if you want by why would you?
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 actually, I'm not really talking about ArieForce One but I can see why that comes to mind. This video is about how there have been fewer conversions of wooden coasters to steel coasters with the RMC I-box track. The usual talking point to explain that is that the industry is running out of coasters to convert which at least sort of make sense since more modern woodies are less likely to be converted and way older ones might be considered classics so they're deemed untouchable. But obviously there are still plenty in that sweet spot that could be converted.
But since there are fewer at least obvious woodies to convert, the alternative would be to build more ground up hybrids. So my question was really pondering why we haven't seen that concept take off. ArieForce One is distinctly not a hybrid, much like Storm Chaser (though that was at least a rough I-Box conversion of one side of Twisted Twins.) I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more ground up pure steel I-box coasters like ArieForce One since they generally do appear different even to the untrained eye (though the lattice structure might still confuse people.) And in the case of ArieForce One, it wasn't built in a park that already had a big wooden coaster so it might not even tell us much. But I think we aren't seeing a boom of ground up wood/steel hybrid coasters by RMC because they simply don't look unique. They look like wooden coasters. And if a park has a wooden coaster and doesn't want it converted for whatever reason, the ground up hybrid by RMC elsewhere in the park just isn't enough to catch the eye of the general public enough to boost ticket sales.
Or at least that's my theory regarding why ground up hybrids haven't caught on. But I could be wrong and maybe that'll happen in a few years.
@@zacg_ personally I think the concept is a dead one because wood requires more maintenance than steel. Why bother building the support structure out of wood when it's been shown that a similar ride experience can come from an all steel structure at basically the same build cost?
I don't think the GP could tell you the difference between the structure of Arieforce One and a Hybrid and I definitely don't think they care. As an example my mom LOVES roller coasters and always has and is still riding them even at 70 years old. But explaining to her why Iron Gwazi isn't like Invadr at BGW in any way from a ride quality standpoint was like trying to explain nuclear physics to a layman. She's not dumb or anything it's just not something that she spend a lot of time thinking about.
Personally I’m not a big fan of RMC. I loved the retrack that GCI did with Knotts Ghostrider. I wish Six Flags would call GCI in for StLouis to work their magic on The Boss and put the mflyer trains on it. And how about having SFA’s roar be the first full titan track conversion and switch up the layout some.
I think Six Flags is waiting to see how everything works out with predator at Darien Lake with retracting that whole coaster to GCI Titan
id much rather see American Eagle turn into a Twisted Colossus style ride
I am not concerned. RMC likes to use their own employees to build the rides. That might be the hold up at some parks. I believe that Canada requires a Canadian crew be used in their construction projects. I believe you will see several wild moose Coasters Beltz over the next few years.
Rmc hellcat clementon park jersey’s first rmc hybrid
Think you're too US focused in your analysis. RMC's main business has been converting woodies. Obviously there is not an endless supply of parks that want or can afford to convert their old woodies. Outside of USA woodies are far less common. When you take away this part of their business and look at their ground up and worldwide sales, RMC are bit part players, overly dependent on a US market shaken up by the CF/Six Flags merger.
There is certainly potential in the rest of the world. Unfortunately, I don't of of any Australian woodies that could be turned into a RMC hybrid version of DC Rivals.
too bad RMC didnt exist during son of beast. imagine that thing going twister
Guess why people also like old wooden coaster instead all this hybrid bs
Because people like having their back broken at 70 mph *COUGH THE BOSS COUGH*
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od you get the same experience with RMC restraints I rather have something that's actually a wooden coaster
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@Spiritwonder420 but its still better than having your back broken at 70 mph what is that argument lol also I dont think RMC restraints are nearly as bad as people say in all honesty the PTC lapbars are worst
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Hurler needs LEFT TURNS!
Don’t forget Gemini cedar point 😊lol
Thanks for the entertaining video, Brandon! I know you're getting a lot of hate lately. I appreciate you powering through and still making videos for those of us who are real humans.
You forgot high roller…
Pure cost, smaller parks still dont have money after covid, rest realy dont need them.
adventure express rmc revamp needs to happen or the beast
RMC Beast would be incredible!
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