I have 4 CEPs/BEPs and 2 EPBs in my fleet for my upcoming layout. Currently planned to be DC, but with things like these sound coming along I may just take the plunge and go DCC. Thanks for the video.
Rivet counting warning - Disclaimer, its your train and you can do what you like with it. Ignore the below. To start, for the 2HAL, 2BIL, 5 Bel, the sound of the motors were quite different being EE275 and EE225 respectively, the epb range are EE250 which this sound profile file is for. I didn't hear the brakes either as EPS have a different sound to the fast acting 2 pipe air brake distinctive hiss on the older units. The old units do not have bell communication or AWS warning bell/horn. Also the compressor is too fast as it is 750volts DC wereas these units mainly operated at 660 vDC. However the warning horns are perfect!! If ever they bring out a sound profile for the metrovick 'Sarah Siddons' this will be more appropiate for the older units.
Sound of the Click click is an EP brake valve ( Electro Pnumatic brake) operating, that unit, along with 2 HAL, 2 BIL etc were not fitted with EP brakes, they used pure Westinghouse Air, as a former SR Driver I thought I should point this out, the 4 VEPs were 1963 build units, fitted with EP Brakes, as we're the rest of the Class 400 SR EMUs, CEPS, BEPs, HAPs, CAPs, EPBs, CIGs, & BIGs . The Class 419 MLVs also had vacuum brakes fitted for small freight haulage of stock fitted with Vacuum brakes, such as TTA tanks and BGs. Good sound of the EE traction motors, don't know where they got the recording from for this but it's wrong as regards acceleration sounds, as it raised in pitch as speed increased and the field diverts kicked in front shunt - series - parallel and finally weak field. Shame they didn't include the characteristic "pop" of the line switches opening as the Driver shut off power, very important sound that really would've made the sounds better. Driving g these for a living burns sounds into your brain younjust can't ever forget, teaching trainee drivers how to drive these robust indestructible totally reliable, fool proof trains was an absolute blast - built to last unlike today's modern aluminium junk. I know the newcstuff has crumple zones etc, but a class 400 ploughed through wind rain, sleet and snow like a train.on steroids , could always rely on them to get you home.
great arcing Jenny. and the the compressor as well. I must have travelled up and down between London and home about 10,000 miles . I miss themon. 4-VEPs over the years.
Another fine video. Good for disengaging retaining clips, off cuts from shirt collar stiffeners you find in new shirt packaging. Come to that, the plastic packaging from points and turnouts work just as well. Save the fingernails, mine break too easily!
I certainly don’t miss the 4-VEPs having travelled on them for 25 years. The 377s are a massive upgrade. I don’t think the sound is too bad, but the horn’s a bit loud. The compressor doesn’t seem to have the correct resonance, but if I close my eyes, I can almost feel the drafts and the crush of the 3+2 seating.
Agree the 377’s are an upgrade although I do prefer the spongy seats in the VEPs. I travelled to work and back on the VEPs on the Coastway West for a few years.
Hi Jenny, many, many thanks for the video and review of this sound profile. I've got a 310, 312 and two 304 emus to sound chip so was eager to hear the Hornby 423 soundfile, and I think this is more than acceptable. Just a quick question, are there two different horn sounds? One sounded "more Southern" than the other, so I wondered if they were different options. Fantastic, informative and a big thanks from me.
I don’t know if it has two horns, but the TXS always include five or six different horn sounds for variety so it doesn’t toot the same each time. I guess the driver’s ‘played’ the horns differently.
Hi Jenny great video but I run dc unfortunately can’t afford DC with all my loco the problem I have I think everybody’s forgot about dc runners Which is a shame, please don’t forget about us dc people keep well
I’ve been waiting for this profile to be released for too long to install on my 423-VEP which is currently sporting a Class 43 profile 😅 Any news on when the Class 800 profile is due to be released as well?
Sorry but the sound dont come across right unless you are sat inside which i'm not second with the new 21pin socket what is going to happen with the 8pin like me and i'm sure others only need some all singing and dancing card but we would still need to get are hands on 4 funtion decoder without sound and smoke or is this another new way to put the price up as it's a 21pin socket. ??
I mean if Hornby had gone down the ESU route, we'd be looking at a +£100 charge rather then the £60/70 for TXS. Even if I don't actively use TXS (limited custom sound profiles), their attempt at DCC Sound is much more relatable. So I wouldn't really call it some cash grab.
You've got to remember that this is being played through a speaker, then recorded into a microphone and only once that's all done is it being broadcast to you. We do the best we can to get the best quality sound we can but some things are going to get lost in the process.
Excellent news! I’m really looking forward to uploading these to my European TT120 EMU’s (ok, so not exactly correct but a lot better than using the class 66 🫣🤣)
I have 4 CEPs/BEPs and 2 EPBs in my fleet for my upcoming layout. Currently planned to be DC, but with things like these sound coming along I may just take the plunge and go DCC. Thanks for the video.
Rivet counting warning - Disclaimer, its your train and you can do what you like with it. Ignore the below.
To start, for the 2HAL, 2BIL, 5 Bel, the sound of the motors were quite different being EE275 and EE225 respectively, the epb range are EE250 which this sound profile file is for. I didn't hear the brakes either as EPS have a different sound to the fast acting 2 pipe air brake distinctive hiss on the older units. The old units do not have bell communication or AWS warning bell/horn. Also the compressor is too fast as it is 750volts DC wereas these units mainly operated at 660 vDC. However the warning horns are perfect!!
If ever they bring out a sound profile for the metrovick 'Sarah Siddons' this will be more appropiate for the older units.
Sound of the Click click is an EP brake valve ( Electro Pnumatic brake) operating, that unit, along with 2 HAL, 2 BIL etc were not fitted with EP brakes, they used pure Westinghouse Air, as a former SR Driver I thought I should point this out, the 4 VEPs were 1963 build units, fitted with EP Brakes, as we're the rest of the Class 400 SR EMUs, CEPS, BEPs, HAPs, CAPs, EPBs, CIGs, & BIGs .
The Class 419 MLVs also had vacuum brakes fitted for small freight haulage of stock fitted with Vacuum brakes, such as TTA tanks and BGs.
Good sound of the EE traction motors, don't know where they got the recording from for this but it's wrong as regards acceleration sounds, as it raised in pitch as speed increased and the field diverts kicked in front shunt - series - parallel and finally weak field. Shame they didn't include the characteristic "pop" of the line switches opening as the Driver shut off power, very important sound that really would've made the sounds better. Driving g these for a living burns sounds into your brain younjust can't ever forget, teaching trainee drivers how to drive these robust indestructible totally reliable, fool proof trains was an absolute blast - built to last unlike today's modern aluminium junk. I know the newcstuff has crumple zones etc, but a class 400 ploughed through wind rain, sleet and snow like a train.on steroids , could always rely on them to get you home.
great arcing Jenny. and the the compressor as well. I must have travelled up and down between London and home about 10,000 miles . I miss themon. 4-VEPs over the years.
Great video,its always a good idea to fit a few fare dodgers as it does make a big difference and takes away the ghost train affect 😊
Another fine video.
Good for disengaging retaining clips, off cuts from shirt collar stiffeners you find in new shirt packaging. Come to that, the plastic packaging from points and turnouts work just as well. Save the fingernails, mine break too easily!
The ones I used were Southern Region green. I used this type of train when I was a boy to go and visit my grandparents.
Thanks, i have a small electric fleet that are now in line for sound decoder fitting
Great video Jenny - I have a number of SR multiple units, and although it might not be 100% perfect, it certainly more than acceptable.
Definitely a useful one!
The one I rode in was a British Railways Southern Region green. This type of train makes quite a lot more electric whine than many more modern units.
I remember traveling from Winchmore Hill to Kingston-Upon Thames using one of those!!
Guitar plectrums are ideal for those kind of bodies.
Zoë told me if I break her plectrums, I have to sleep in the shed. :'(
I certainly don’t miss the 4-VEPs having travelled on them for 25 years. The 377s are a massive upgrade. I don’t think the sound is too bad, but the horn’s a bit loud. The compressor doesn’t seem to have the correct resonance, but if I close my eyes, I can almost feel the drafts and the crush of the 3+2 seating.
Agree the 377’s are an upgrade although I do prefer the spongy seats in the VEPs. I travelled to work and back on the VEPs on the Coastway West for a few years.
Hope Zoe is feeling better than on Monday.
A little better, thanks.
Well where’s the electric whine that I remember hearing when I travelled on the full size train?
Hi Jenny, many, many thanks for the video and review of this sound profile. I've got a 310, 312 and two 304 emus to sound chip so was eager to hear the Hornby 423 soundfile, and I think this is more than acceptable. Just a quick question, are there two different horn sounds? One sounded "more Southern" than the other, so I wondered if they were different options.
Fantastic, informative and a big thanks from me.
I don’t know if it has two horns, but the TXS always include five or six different horn sounds for variety so it doesn’t toot the same each time. I guess the driver’s ‘played’ the horns differently.
Oh yes the Brighton drivers got told off for keeping the residents awake playing tunes using their horns when entering Belmont Tunnel
Hi Jenny great video but I run dc unfortunately can’t afford DC with all my loco the problem I have I think everybody’s forgot about dc runners
Which is a shame, please don’t forget about us dc people keep well
Hi Jenny, do you have any idea when this sound profile will be released?
I’ve been waiting for this profile to be released for too long to install on my 423-VEP which is currently sporting a Class 43 profile 😅
Any news on when the Class 800 profile is due to be released as well?
The class 800 isn’t in beta test yet.
I may be wrong (probably am),but is this not the first emu sound chip,at least for slam door stock to contain the characteristic traction motor whine?
As I say in the video; first budget sound decoder.
@@JenniferEKirk First decoder,budget or not,that's a first,it was a complement.
@@lj03oem there have been other expensive sound decoders for EMU - I think Bachmann have released the 411 and 416 with a sound option.
Sorry but the sound dont come across right unless you are sat inside which i'm not second with the new 21pin socket what is going to happen with the 8pin like me and i'm sure others only need some all singing and dancing card but we would still need to get are hands on 4 funtion decoder without sound and smoke or is this another new way to put the price up as it's a 21pin socket. ??
I mean if Hornby had gone down the ESU route, we'd be looking at a +£100 charge rather then the £60/70 for TXS. Even if I don't actively use TXS (limited custom sound profiles), their attempt at DCC Sound is much more relatable. So I wouldn't really call it some cash grab.
It does not sound bad, but its not correct.... I rode EMU from the 1970 to the end of slam doors....
You've got to remember that this is being played through a speaker, then recorded into a microphone and only once that's all done is it being broadcast to you. We do the best we can to get the best quality sound we can but some things are going to get lost in the process.
@@JenniferEKirk the recording quality is fine...
Excellent news! I’m really looking forward to uploading these to my European TT120 EMU’s (ok, so not exactly correct but a lot better than using the class 66 🫣🤣)