ok first of all if the experiment with kairi is hope and also whatever in the box is hope then we must atleast know or respect the possibility that the master of masters was in fact in the future, even further then the book of prophecies if this is correct, to make sure that the experiment's success will be used and transported from the past to the future. (if the experiment and the box are actually like the same thing) i also think with "then we have failed" he means the keyblade wielders. xehanort knew the story all along and he guided sora secretly the whole time, its not that big of a secret, so we can assume that while the old xehanort went to the path to try to rule the world the other xehanort made sure that the keyblade wielders succeed. okay, nevermind, "we" might stand for the xehanorts... why does xehanort know? i feel like he always knew... there are several possibilities actually.. eraqus couldve known about the book of prophecies and tell xehanort a bit about it, but that seems wrong since xehanort knows so much. another possibility is the master of master telling xehanort, but i kinda doubt that too becouse xehanort stated in remind "for some reason i realized just how important i (really) am. implying that it was someone else telling him which leads us to the darkness itself. the darkness couldve told xehanort since he suffered through alot in dark road he must've atleast met darkness in some form. on his journey to the other worlds he met darkness and darkness told him i assume. another possibility (an obvious one) is that he got skuld's book of prophecies which he read while capturing and experimenting with her. i guess its either that or darkness but since xehanort knows so very much about his role and sora's importance i think the skuld thing is the real one but i might be wrong. its like 60% skuld, 30% darkness and 10% the other 2.
HMK I have A Theory For you What if i told you that the Nameless Star is Another version of Kairi Because they have already said that the Nameless star is another version of a character that is already in the Kingdom hearts universe Same Goes For Yozora he is Another Version of Sora well we will have to wait for the next game cause thats when stars identity will be revealed according to them that is :)
This Xehanort is from Kairi's memories. It's not the "real" him.That is why he said he was a product of her heart. Just like the first Final World she visits is also just a memory of the actual Final World that she visits with Riku and Fairy Godmother. Ansem The Wise is using the term "Fictional" because, technically, anything outside of their reality would be considered fictional or not "real"(just like anything outside our reality we would see as Fictional). I'm sure anyone on Yozora's side of reality would see anything KH related as fictional. It's just a matter of perspective.
Riku - Quadratum Donald and Goofy - Twilight Town & Radiant Garden Kairi - Land of Departure King Mickey - Scala Ad Caelum Kingdom Hearts 4 I miscounted, my fault But oh boy it's gonna be good 👀
@@nickjames8377 they don’t need 4 games out of each adventure. They can mix it all up in one game which makes more sense. Nomura only said 2 more games before KH4
Here's what I got from this finale: - Master Xehanort here is technically just a part of Kairi's memories. (If you think about it, the only bosses in this game - Ansem, Xemnas, Maleficent, and this - are enemies that Kairi had some personal familiarity with.) - Kairi must have been channeling Sora to fight memory-Xehanort with both their power. That may actually be the same case for all the memory songs that she's navigated up to this point. - Unreality must encompass worlds made from stories - Verum Rex, being a video game, would have a written story. Perhaps other worlds that come straight from stories may be featured with Quadratum, like Hundred Acre Wood and Game Central Station? - The Scala ad Caelum that the group went to was made from Xehanort's portal. Would it be considered a fictional world at this point, too?
Quadratum is Square in Latin. Sora and Riku go to Shibuya and Shinjuku... Shinjuku, Minato City (where Tokyo Tower is), Akihabara, and Shibuya form a square on the map.
No, no Shibuya, no Shinjuku, no Minato its just Quadratum. Neku and the others are from the "reality" side, i mean where all the plot of kh happens. That means, Shibuya is on the kh side
@@keyblade43 Quadratum is likely what they're collectively known as within Verum Rex. It's a video game, so its setting can afford to deviate from reality's standards just a little.
There are 2 things worth noting: 1: Quadratum means square. Very on the nose Nomura. 2: A world of “unreality” could be translated as “fantasy.” Maybe of the “final” variety? 😉 I’m excited to see where this goes. 😁
They talk about this "world outside of light and darkness" like if it is unique, unlike the multitude of worlds they know. So, it's quite fitting. The last fiction, "Final Fantasy". That would finally explain why FF characters hang around in games that are mostly Disney focused.
The 4 cities; twilight town, radiant garden, shibuya, and one we dont know. In dream drop distance Joshua mentioned that the traverse town they were in was incomplete. What if it meant more then we understood?
Damn Apprentice Xehanort knew much more than we thought. And looking back on KH1, you realize Nomura foreshadowed this 20 years earlier through the Ansem's reports
Rereading those reports, with the context we have now, you can see that the foreshadowing goes pretty far back.. Sure, some things aren't fleshed out. But the basis is there. It's very amazing to se Nomura's work. I can't wait for the next game.
I don't think Nomura planned THAT far in advance. Nomura admitted before that he sometimes writes himself into a corner and has to invent something new that wasn't originally planned just to keep the series going. He even explained that he would make the secret trailers for the next game and then build context around it to keep things interesting for him. That's why the lore is so random and convoluted. It only goes to show how little of the conception is thoroughly planned-out ahead of time.
@@RCDeschene he never said that though, he looks for moments in past games and expand on them cause it's cool that way. He writes 2 games in advance and that was before union cross, it's clear he has already wrote the master of master saga or the first half. You are talking about the way he wrote before BBS, even back then ansem was always planned to be a identity thief confirmed by nomura in kh2 interviews and he was too stupid to be called wise lol. Kh 1 was not planned to have a squeal that is why he always says he did not plan this but things like ansem being someone else was something he had planned in kh 1.
@@RCDeschene He never said that. He obviously didn't know all the details in advance, but most of the plot was already in his mind. When he develops a game, he has already concrete ideas of the next game, and some more vague ideas about what happens yet after that. He set the seeds of these vague ideas just in order for them to reveal themself in the next games. Regarding Apprentice Xehanort, Nomura planned for him to be important all along the story, and I'm not saying at this moment he had planned Melody of Memory but Apprentice Xehanort would be important enough to have an influence up to that part of story. For evidence, it's by rereading the Ansem's reports that it makes sense.
My predictions: We’re gonna get three or four spin-off games going forward: A) Riku looking for Sora. I think he’s gonna get an idea of how to get him back but then he’ll be attacked and overwhelmed by something or someone in Yozoras world. He’ll come back bloodied and battered with the necessary revelations to advance the plot and while he recovers the other two spin-offs take place. B) Aqua and Kairi training. There’s still plenty of relatively easy to handle patches of darkness left behind. Kairi and Aqua can play clean up and have plenty of great character moments. Kairi can be greatly evolved and progressed as a fighter even more and even possibly get a new outfit going into KH4. C) The least likely to happen, but I really want it to. Mickey. Scala Ad Caelum. The Fortellers. It’s literally setting up a “Jiraiya searching for Pain” type deal. Right as Mickey finds the info he needs the Fortellers are gonna show up and utterly destroy him. Before being defeated/killed/sealed/etc. he’s gonna scribble something down and give it to Pluto and then send him away with a star shard or somethin. Badass and tragic. D) Verum Rex. Speaks for itself.
Do you think it is a coincidence that "Melody Of Memory" can also be called "MoM" ?! By the way, I really wanted to see your reaction to KH3's cutscenes, maybe in KH4.
Saying the new world that is fiction (aka fantasy) is called Quadratum which translates to Square like their company, I think we're gonna delve more into Final fantasy and their style story telling, and perhaps other square properties. I'm thinking stuff like Bahamut and the other final fantasy summons finally will make their appearance, perhaps alongside the crystals, magitek, Gilgamesh, and the monsters that inhabit the final fantasy realms. This will allow Tetsuya to indulge all the people who were upset that FF characters didn't really show up in Kh3 by giving them a game filled to the brim with FF tropes without necessarily going to actual distinctive FF worlds such as Midgard and Spira. It also would allow Sephiroth and Cloud to show up again following their disappearance in KH2 where they went off to a very far away place.
Bahamut was originaly going to be in kh1, but was removed. And about ff stuff, it could be amazing to see it, and I would really like to see something like the fal'cies and l'cies, that would be epic
About time they go in the FF side of things instead of mostly Disney. Quite fitting for the *Final* world outside of their reality. Reminds me a bit how Summons in some games create a personal space, that is not really part of the world itself, when they are called upon. A version of Bahamuth like FF_XV's could totally do that.
The reason I say that the father son dynamic between Riku and Mickey is actually perfect it's because he mentions sora's parents in birth by sleep yet there is absolutely zero mention of riku's parents I have a funny feeling that there's a chance that Riku might actually have been an orphan at this point and would just come over to sora's house and they would go to the island to play together. Who knows, maybe we'll find out the truth or maybe we won't time will tell let's hope so.
I like how everyone pretty much forgot that Xehanort was using Terra's body when he learned all of this. I know his heart was somewhere else but couldn't they use some sort of memory dive thing on Terra to see what else they can learn about Quadratum?
Just wanted to say thanks for the videos. With Sir Skyward having retired the RUclips life, and GamerJoint MIA (again), it's good to see some stay up on some of the KH content like this.
The next game could be this three quests. Riku searching for Sora. Kairi could be training and learning cool stuff (I just want the girl to be something) and Mickey can deliever all the lore shenanigans we love
I feel like when Donald and Goofy tell everybody about Sora are going to talk about what they learned that isn't related to Sora but to a bigger problem that will be tied to the future of Kingdom Hearts stuff to subject X ven's past the haunted house in Twilight town master of Masters luxu and the foretellers.
The ancient Masters may be referring to the Union Cross Leaders. Xehanort referred to them that way in the KH3 secret reports, when talking about Eraqus's bloodline. And that goes in line with Brain being Eraqus's ancestor.
A little depressing knowing that we've played as Days trio and BBS trio in one party, but we've never played as the Destiny trio in one party... like these three are struggling so much to get together
People saying "Kairi shouldn't be able to beat Xehanort" Well yeah but that's not Xehanort. That's Kairi's mental representation of him. It's like she said, he's responsible for literally every bad thing that's ever happened to her and her friends. Letting her be the one to beat him in this fight and overcome that trauma would have been such a powerful moment for her character
@@KinglyRed but again it would mess up a lot of things since she clearly fought Xehanort with Sora's help and if she defeated him easily then that would be some battle of gods type of boost bullshit
I told you that the relationship between Riku and Mickey upgraded from just two acquaintances to two friends and now it's like escalated to a father-son level :-) I mean you noticed how overprotective he is in the scene, I told everybody it would eventually upgrade I just had that feeling and it's great to see this dynamic because those two were absolutely perfect for this dynamic :-)
What I was trying to do was explain the reason behind the foresight of the main antagonist. And the reason why Rico had a weapon that had the eye near the bottom of it is because he was possessed and the person who possessed him saw his experience is in real time which means he had to have gotten the weapon after the main antagonist possessed him in the first place either it was right after or some time after so I don't know if the time passed was short before he got the weapon or it was a little bit longer before he ended up with soul heater. But since soul eater was left in the realm of darkness for the replica which took the weapon because it technically had the eye therefore the main device to be able to keep the main antagonist informed of the events of the future so in the end he got help from the replica.
I'm feeling more validated by everything I hear because I predicted, pre Re:Mind, that we'd have a game about entirely Square Enix properties. I seriously feel like that could happen. If not Riku in SE worlds, then at least Riku in SE worlds and Kairi in Disney worlds switching off like BBS, NOT like DDD. How perfect would it be if they did that? The place is called Quadratum. Literally Square.
Ah you forget, remember the cap keyblade he uses technically was passed down to him by The apprentice to the master of Masters he had that and the black box with him the only thing he gave the main antagonist though was the keyblade not the black box he hid the black box shortly before reaching the person he was supposed to give that keyblade to which turned out to be the main antagonist of the series, I assume him hiding the black box was before he gave the main antagonist the keyblade that belonged to the master of Masters previously and inside of the keyblade at the bottom or the top is actually the master of Masters eye if you remember in the Kingdom hearts Union Cross back cover movie when he said that it was actually his real eye in the first place. He did that on purpose so he could see things happening even after he disappeared himself. So through the eye on the keyblade given to the main antagonist he can see the future before it actually happens that is how he possesses that kind of foresight and knew everything before anybody else could especially back when he was an apprentice in the first place. Get it now? The eye is how he's able to see into the future he's using the eye that came from the master of Masters which was embedded into the main keyblade that he uses in the first place that is how he's been able to practically see everything beforehand before any one of us could even see it coming! Yeah I know it's a little confusing but if you just look at the main antagonists main keyblade and you find the eye then now you know why it has an eye on it in the first place. He used that eye to predict the future so he could plan for every single eventuality. Yeah I know an easy thing to spot trust me at first it kind of threw me off that is until I went back and looked at the symbols in both soul eater and the main bad guys weapon they both have the eye but one of them meaning the one that is real is the one that the main antagonist has. I know it's kind of a really small thing but a lot of times small things can be extremely huge big things do come in small packages after all :-)
Xehenort is a memory or a fake made by her unconscious and sora is always connected to kairi, hence he was able lent her power to fight him. We don't know if the actual xehenort was in control of this fake though.
What he means is that whether willing to help him or not she technically was his partner to find those answers without even knowing it, she was supposed to follow Sora on his adventures but he made her stay on the island until the end of Kingdom hearts 2 when she decided that waiting isn't a good idea and ended up following a mysterious stranger which turned out to be Riku leading him to see Sora because she insisted on it even though he didn't want him to be seen the way he was when he had the form of the main antagonist who was bugging him for all these years. But through her insistence they went to find him anyway thus reuniting due to the fact that the charm might have secretly been a tracking device the whole time. However the charm being attracting device is a little theory but it seems pretty plausible considering that their hearts are connected either way so she was able to track him through the philosopher charm that he gave back to her at the end of Kingdom hearts 2 which he ended up getting back shortly after that adventure so she could keep track of his events and intervene whenever possible which explains why she was at yenson's Tower at the end of dream drop distance upon yen Sid's request Riku was sent to the islands to go and get her so she could begin training instead of being left at the island. I have a feeling that going back to my tracking device theory, That's how we'll be able to find Sora in the end is tracking him through the item that he still possesses whether he knows that he still has it or not like I said their hearts are still connected through that charm it's their symbol but there's a high chance he still has it :-) I wouldn't put it past him to still have it on his person in fact that could be not only how we find him but how he manages to get through the whole mess and Shibuya in future games only time will tell with the next title will bring.
After seeing KIngdom Hearts 4 trailer, what if Sora was dreaming about this fight, and his heart reached Kairi even when he was in Quadradum! And then he wakes up and that leads to what we see in the trailer.
When I first played this I wasn't thinking about a fictional world I thought it was a cross between different dimensions but man was I wrong, however I would not put it past them to dabble in the concept of dimensions in the future of the series. Actually that would be interesting now that I think about it :-) like for example actually being able to meet versions of your past selves that would actually be interesting. I just imagine Riku meeting himself is a little kid and the interactions that they both would have and it's just it would be adorable same thing with Sora as well as her too. It would just be not only interesting but kind of cute :-)
Wait a min, remember in the secret ending in KH3. Sora was in (ima just call it-) Shibuya? Well we now know Riku is going to Quadratum, and well we saw him in a place full of tall buildings in the secret ending in KH3. What if Riku waking up in that place is the start of the next game, as we seen in the KH3 secret ending.
Interesting take, but I think that KH3 secret ending was just Riku having those dreams he was talking about. When Riku was talking to Fairy Godmother in Remind, he said he was walking around a city and felt someone watching him, which is exactly what happened in the secret ending.
I think it’s more of an alternative reality situation. It would explain why Yozora is a video game character in the toy story world after all. In Sora’s universe, Yozora and Quadratum is fiction. However from Yozora’s perspective, Sora & the KH universe is fiction.
As for what games might follow, I expect we might be shown what the groups in Twilight Town and Land of Departure have been doing (maybe exploring Subject X and Ventus's past), and then maybe a game with Sora, Riku, and/or Kairi exploring unreality.
So, I believe the Kairi training and investigation into the other worlds will be the long awaited BBS Vol 2. I believe we will have a Sora/Riku/Yozora game, and then KH4
I really hope they don't drag out all these separate paths into more spinoff titles. I just want Verum Rex and Kingdom Hearts 4! Also at some point Xehanort has to stop knowing absolutely everything that was going on. Would much rather they just revealed him to be an unwilling pawn of MoM/Luxu.
I think the ancient masters yen did was talking about wasn’t the fortellers but the ones the MoM knows and I think those masters are the ones that became the darkness now. Because they got to see that side and said ok so what’s the point of light anymore darkness allows more than the light it at a price of there humanity idk but I can’t wait to see the next game hopefully we get to play as Riku with leveling and skills. Because DDD didn’t do him justice. Lol great vid HMK.
Yo real quick, so you made a point of the moment Riku is sent to the other side. Recall when we had the trailer with Yozora and his boys, that same beam of light with clouds was happening and Yozora's gang went into it and we saw Nameless star in the middle. Could that be the moment she is brought back to Quadratum? An interesting thing to note ☝🏼
Omg I had a weird dream yesterday where Donald and Goofy went to Twilight Town and surprised the Sea Salt Trio and telling them the information so far about locating Sora. I hope this prediction will be a reality in the next Kingdom Hearts game in 2022!!
I think what we see of old Xehanort is a remanent and the version of no name is just a version not a complete physical version as Luxu (Xigbar) is back into possession of his keyblade given by the Master of masters. And as such he was probably only there to help as he knew something was up with the master of masters and the plan he "wanted" to be carried out by Xehanort.
Again my apologies just trying to help piece together the main puzzle with the information that I've gathered throughout the series The many little details so to speak, even though I can't see very well my mind can piece things together like a puzzle in other words my skill of analysis comes in very handy :-)
And in the world of yozora, there is a popular video game series about light and dark...both sides are reality and unreality in relation to each other ...
As far as I know Tetsuya he’s probably gonna say that the godmother was actually the darkness in disguise or some bs like that. She knows too much as a side Disney character
hmk u question y he xhanort there bc u said he is dead witch he it but kari said "even if you're not really here and this is just a memory or an illusion" witch means this isn't the real xhanort but a memory of him if u remember that this is in her dreams
Wait, doesn't the Ancient Masters refer to the Dark Road guys since Mickey is looking into information on Scala and Xehanort already knew about the fictional world? Makes no sense that the Ancient Masters refers to the Foretellers, right?
Quadratum...if it's made up of areas from 4 cities and we know 2 would be Shibuya and Shinjuku, One could be Chiyoda with buildings like the Edo Castle. The other could be either Minato or Toshima. This has me hyped!!!!
You probably figured it out already but I think Kairi's training may involve learning the Power of Waking so she can join Riku and Sora, since Fairy Godmother mentioned that the Power of Waking is needed in order to get to Quadratum. Hopefully we don't just skip her training and she gets a game showing it.
So let me get this straight. Aqua sacrifices herself and stays in the realm of darkness, a world she knows nothing about, for like 15 years and Mickey just leaves her there, not worried at all. But it's a different story once Riku goes to Quadratum to save Sora in a world he knows nothing about. WTF 😤😤 🤬
I mean to be fair, Mickey only found out that Aqua was in the Realm of Darkness during KH1. He had no idea where she was for 10 years, and it probably only felt like a few weeks for her, since she didn’t have food.
What if the Master of Master's killed the nameless star or orchestrated it, in order to have a way for a portal to be open to escape. Knowing that sora friends would find a way to free him.
IT IS FINALLY TIME! A GIFT FROM ME TO YOU BEFORE THE NEW YEAR! My Reaction to the Ending of Melody of Memory!
so i hope there is some explanation or theory to this right? cause you seem really confused in the video?
ok first of all if the experiment with kairi is hope and also whatever in the box is hope then we must atleast know or respect the possibility that the master of masters was in fact in the future, even further then the book of prophecies if this is correct, to make sure that the experiment's success will be used and transported from the past to the future. (if the experiment and the box are actually like the same thing)
i also think with "then we have failed" he means the keyblade wielders. xehanort knew the story all along and he guided sora secretly the whole time, its not that big of a secret, so we can assume that while the old xehanort went to the path to try to rule the world the other xehanort made sure that the keyblade wielders succeed.
okay, nevermind, "we" might stand for the xehanorts...
why does xehanort know? i feel like he always knew... there are several possibilities actually.. eraqus couldve known about the book of prophecies and tell xehanort a bit about it, but that seems wrong since xehanort knows so much.
another possibility is the master of master telling xehanort, but i kinda doubt that too becouse xehanort stated in remind "for some reason i realized just how important i (really) am. implying that it was someone else telling him which leads us to the darkness itself. the darkness couldve told xehanort since he suffered through alot in dark road he must've atleast met darkness in some form. on his journey to the other worlds he met darkness and darkness told him i assume.
another possibility (an obvious one) is that he got skuld's book of prophecies which he read while capturing and experimenting with her.
i guess its either that or darkness but since xehanort knows so very much about his role and sora's importance i think the skuld thing is the real one but i might be wrong. its like 60% skuld, 30% darkness and 10% the other 2.
HMK: XEHANORT! YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO BE DEAD!!!
Master Xehanort: I will never be a memory!
HMK I have A Theory For you What if i told you that the Nameless Star is Another version of Kairi
Because they have already said that the Nameless star is another version of a character that is already in the Kingdom hearts universe
Same Goes For Yozora he is Another Version of Sora
well we will have to wait for the next game cause thats when stars identity will be revealed according to them that is :)
Sora and Kairi sharing the paopu fruit.
Now Kairi can see dead people
Lets appreciate that Quadratum is just Square in latin
Indeed!
We were at disney. Now visit us.
Also fictional? Like Fantasy? I think someone is still upset about versus 13.
Anyone else read HMK’s “Indeed!” As Xemnas in their head? 😁
@@BroFire777
Indeed
This Xehanort is from Kairi's memories. It's not the "real" him.That is why he said he was a product of her heart. Just like the first Final World she visits is also just a memory of the actual Final World that she visits with Riku and Fairy Godmother. Ansem The Wise is using the term "Fictional" because, technically, anything outside of their reality would be considered fictional or not "real"(just like anything outside our reality we would see as Fictional). I'm sure anyone on Yozora's side of reality would see anything KH related as fictional. It's just a matter of perspective.
But isn't The Hundred acre wood a Fictional World but they can hear Sora
People in city see a walking talking mouse: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Riku - Quadratum
Donald and Goofy - Twilight Town & Radiant Garden
Kairi - Land of Departure
King Mickey - Scala Ad Caelum
Kingdom Hearts 4
I miscounted, my fault
But oh boy it's gonna be good 👀
Sounds like 4 more games
@@nickjames8377 they don’t need 4 games out of each adventure. They can mix it all up in one game which makes more sense. Nomura only said 2 more games before KH4
HMK: Xehanort!? He's supposed to be dead!
Kronk: Yeah, weird.
Heh. Emperor's new groove throwback. Nice.
Here's what I got from this finale:
- Master Xehanort here is technically just a part of Kairi's memories. (If you think about it, the only bosses in this game - Ansem, Xemnas, Maleficent, and this - are enemies that Kairi had some personal familiarity with.)
- Kairi must have been channeling Sora to fight memory-Xehanort with both their power. That may actually be the same case for all the memory songs that she's navigated up to this point.
- Unreality must encompass worlds made from stories - Verum Rex, being a video game, would have a written story. Perhaps other worlds that come straight from stories may be featured with Quadratum, like Hundred Acre Wood and Game Central Station?
- The Scala ad Caelum that the group went to was made from Xehanort's portal. Would it be considered a fictional world at this point, too?
Quadratum is Square in Latin.
Sora and Riku go to Shibuya and Shinjuku...
Shinjuku, Minato City (where Tokyo Tower is), Akihabara, and Shibuya form a square on the map.
No, no Shibuya, no Shinjuku, no Minato its just Quadratum. Neku and the others are from the "reality" side, i mean where all the plot of kh happens. That means, Shibuya is on the kh side
@@keyblade43 Quadratum is likely what they're collectively known as within Verum Rex. It's a video game, so its setting can afford to deviate from reality's standards just a little.
There are 2 things worth noting:
1: Quadratum means square. Very on the nose Nomura.
2: A world of “unreality” could be translated as “fantasy.” Maybe of the “final” variety? 😉
I’m excited to see where this goes. 😁
They went to the *Fantasy* World by going to the *Final* World.
They talk about this "world outside of light and darkness" like if it is unique, unlike the multitude of worlds they know. So, it's quite fitting. The last fiction, "Final Fantasy". That would finally explain why FF characters hang around in games that are mostly Disney focused.
The 4 cities; twilight town, radiant garden, shibuya, and one we dont know. In dream drop distance Joshua mentioned that the traverse town they were in was incomplete. What if it meant more then we understood?
Damn Apprentice Xehanort knew much more than we thought.
And looking back on KH1, you realize Nomura foreshadowed this 20 years earlier through the Ansem's reports
Rereading those reports, with the context we have now, you can see that the foreshadowing goes pretty far back..
Sure, some things aren't fleshed out. But the basis is there.
It's very amazing to se Nomura's work. I can't wait for the next game.
I don't think Nomura planned THAT far in advance. Nomura admitted before that he sometimes writes himself into a corner and has to invent something new that wasn't originally planned just to keep the series going. He even explained that he would make the secret trailers for the next game and then build context around it to keep things interesting for him. That's why the lore is so random and convoluted. It only goes to show how little of the conception is thoroughly planned-out ahead of time.
@@RCDeschene he never said that though, he looks for moments in past games and expand on them cause it's cool that way. He writes 2 games in advance and that was before union cross, it's clear he has already wrote the master of master saga or the first half. You are talking about the way he wrote before BBS, even back then ansem was always planned to be a identity thief confirmed by nomura in kh2 interviews and he was too stupid to be called wise lol. Kh 1 was not planned to have a squeal that is why he always says he did not plan this but things like ansem being someone else was something he had planned in kh 1.
@@RCDeschene He never said that. He obviously didn't know all the details in advance, but most of the plot was already in his mind. When he develops a game, he has already concrete ideas of the next game, and some more vague ideas about what happens yet after that. He set the seeds of these vague ideas just in order for them to reveal themself in the next games. Regarding Apprentice Xehanort, Nomura planned for him to be important all along the story, and I'm not saying at this moment he had planned Melody of Memory but Apprentice Xehanort would be important enough to have an influence up to that part of story. For evidence, it's by rereading the Ansem's reports that it makes sense.
Almost had a heart attack thinking we got a MoM DLC trailer or something lmao
Cool to finally get to see your reaction tho!
Same I don't think we will get dlc they have said that I guess
Can’t wait to see your future theories HMK in 2021-
HMK to xehanort: YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!
The Final World a.k.a. the kingdom hearts afterlife: am i a joke to you?
My predictions:
We’re gonna get three or four spin-off games going forward:
A) Riku looking for Sora. I think he’s gonna get an idea of how to get him back but then he’ll be attacked and overwhelmed by something or someone in Yozoras world. He’ll come back bloodied and battered with the necessary revelations to advance the plot and while he recovers the other two spin-offs take place.
B) Aqua and Kairi training. There’s still plenty of relatively easy to handle patches of darkness left behind. Kairi and Aqua can play clean up and have plenty of great character moments. Kairi can be greatly evolved and progressed as a fighter even more and even possibly get a new outfit going into KH4.
C) The least likely to happen, but I really want it to. Mickey. Scala Ad Caelum. The Fortellers. It’s literally setting up a “Jiraiya searching for Pain” type deal. Right as Mickey finds the info he needs the Fortellers are gonna show up and utterly destroy him. Before being defeated/killed/sealed/etc. he’s gonna scribble something down and give it to Pluto and then send him away with a star shard or somethin. Badass and tragic.
D) Verum Rex. Speaks for itself.
"That's the next game"
Nomura: * John Cena's in * ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
Didn't know i needed this version of Kirby.
MX: “As I thought your voice can’t reach us he-“
Sora: “THUNDERRR!!!”
The way KH3 Remind ended looks similar to Final Fantasy Versus 13. If Kingdom Hearts 4 gets to be similar to Versus 13, I wouldn’t mind.
Now that would be interesting
I’ll will be interested if Kingdom Hearts 4 would be a dark road
So I really wish if some final fantasy character got a good connections here
Why everyone keep saying that the next kh will be a numeric kh? Nomura said that there will be at least 2 games (or maybe more) before a numeric kh.
Ansem the Wise would rather think that Yozora and co. are fictional characters before even considering the multiverse theory huh lmao.
Kingdom Hearts: Multiverse of Madness
...MoM...OOOOHHH SHI---
29:52 - If you hear closely, you'll discover a rendition of the Shibuya/Yozora/Quadratum's theme
Yoooo what if oswald was in Quadratum as a "fictional" mickey
Do you think it is a coincidence that "Melody Of Memory" can also be called "MoM" ?!
By the way, I really wanted to see your reaction to KH3's cutscenes, maybe in KH4.
Yep it was just a concidence because there was no MoM in the game...☹
Nomura already explained that it was intentional.
"You're supposed to be dead!" After it literally said he was formed from Kairi's memories of him. XD
I’m really happy Kairi decided to be trained by Aqua!
Saying the new world that is fiction (aka fantasy) is called Quadratum which translates to Square like their company, I think we're gonna delve more into Final fantasy and their style story telling, and perhaps other square properties.
I'm thinking stuff like Bahamut and the other final fantasy summons finally will make their appearance, perhaps alongside the crystals, magitek, Gilgamesh, and the monsters that inhabit the final fantasy realms.
This will allow Tetsuya to indulge all the people who were upset that FF characters didn't really show up in Kh3 by giving them a game filled to the brim with FF tropes without necessarily going to actual distinctive FF worlds such as Midgard and Spira. It also would allow Sephiroth and Cloud to show up again following their disappearance in KH2 where they went off to a very far away place.
Bahamut was originaly going to be in kh1, but was removed. And about ff stuff, it could be amazing to see it, and I would really like to see something like the fal'cies and l'cies, that would be epic
Totally agree Kingdom Hearts is going full final fantasy now for the future it’s so obvious
About time they go in the FF side of things instead of mostly Disney. Quite fitting for the *Final* world outside of their reality. Reminds me a bit how Summons in some games create a personal space, that is not really part of the world itself, when they are called upon. A version of Bahamuth like FF_XV's could totally do that.
@@renookami4651 perhaps yes, or maybe the fal'cies and l'cies
We got 3 games coming i as Kairi with aqua training and traveling, one with riku in the new world and lost one where they all meet up
hearing the music used in yozoras fight when they mention quadratum was pretty nice.
The reason I say that the father son dynamic between Riku and Mickey is actually perfect it's because he mentions sora's parents in birth by sleep yet there is absolutely zero mention of riku's parents I have a funny feeling that there's a chance that Riku might actually have been an orphan at this point and would just come over to sora's house and they would go to the island to play together. Who knows, maybe we'll find out the truth or maybe we won't time will tell let's hope so.
I like how everyone pretty much forgot that Xehanort was using Terra's body when he learned all of this. I know his heart was somewhere else but couldn't they use some sort of memory dive thing on Terra to see what else they can learn about Quadratum?
Just wanted to say thanks for the videos. With Sir Skyward having retired the RUclips life, and GamerJoint MIA (again), it's good to see some stay up on some of the KH content like this.
Kairi and Aqua game. Make it happen!
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The next game could be this three quests. Riku searching for Sora. Kairi could be training and learning cool stuff (I just want the girl to be something) and Mickey can deliever all the lore shenanigans we love
7:42 I think he means Braig and the others as 'We' (Ansem's apprentices including Lea and Isa)
I feel like when Donald and Goofy tell everybody about Sora are going to talk about what they learned that isn't related to Sora but to a bigger problem that will be tied to the future of Kingdom Hearts stuff to subject X ven's past the haunted house in Twilight town master of Masters luxu and the foretellers.
At that end though Mickey was turning into Marlen like "I have to go save my son!"
Also, for his voice not reaching there, he sure does say his abilities outloud pretty well >.>
Well, _we_ hear it, but who says Xehanort hears it?
Dudes probably deaf af and he thinks everyones just saying KEYBLADE! over and over
love the subtle playing of yozora’s theme when they’re talking about quadratum
"You're supposed to be dead!"
Really? When has a little thing like death stopped anyone in Kingdom Hearts? At least for long? XD
The ancient Masters may be referring to the Union Cross Leaders.
Xehanort referred to them that way in the KH3 secret reports, when talking about Eraqus's bloodline. And that goes in line with Brain being Eraqus's ancestor.
A little depressing knowing that we've played as Days trio and BBS trio in one party, but we've never played as the Destiny trio in one party... like these three are struggling so much to get together
Yo, Kairi D-Link with her man to use his D... I mean his key.
People saying "Kairi shouldn't be able to beat Xehanort"
Well yeah but that's not Xehanort. That's Kairi's mental representation of him. It's like she said, he's responsible for literally every bad thing that's ever happened to her and her friends. Letting her be the one to beat him in this fight and overcome that trauma would have been such a powerful moment for her character
Yeah I really wish that the final fight wasn’t Sora but still with Kairi (or both of them like before in remind)
But that mean she is stronger or on par with Riku, Aqua ,Terra, Ventus and possibly all of Organization XIII
@@creativeperseverance1912 again that's not ACTUALLY Xehanort
@@KinglyRed but again it would mess up a lot of things since she clearly fought Xehanort with Sora's help and if she defeated him easily then that would be some battle of gods type of boost bullshit
I told you that the relationship between Riku and Mickey upgraded from just two acquaintances to two friends and now it's like escalated to a father-son level :-) I mean you noticed how overprotective he is in the scene, I told everybody it would eventually upgrade I just had that feeling and it's great to see this dynamic because those two were absolutely perfect for this dynamic :-)
Please let it be Riku adventure! Also love Mickey and Riku’s friendship lol. (Still want an Isa and Lea game lol)
What I was trying to do was explain the reason behind the foresight of the main antagonist. And the reason why Rico had a weapon that had the eye near the bottom of it is because he was possessed and the person who possessed him saw his experience is in real time which means he had to have gotten the weapon after the main antagonist possessed him in the first place either it was right after or some time after so I don't know if the time passed was short before he got the weapon or it was a little bit longer before he ended up with soul heater. But since soul eater was left in the realm of darkness for the replica which took the weapon because it technically had the eye therefore the main device to be able to keep the main antagonist informed of the events of the future so in the end he got help from the replica.
I'm feeling more validated by everything I hear because I predicted, pre Re:Mind, that we'd have a game about entirely Square Enix properties. I seriously feel like that could happen. If not Riku in SE worlds, then at least Riku in SE worlds and Kairi in Disney worlds switching off like BBS, NOT like DDD. How perfect would it be if they did that? The place is called Quadratum. Literally Square.
Ah you forget, remember the cap keyblade he uses technically was passed down to him by The apprentice to the master of Masters he had that and the black box with him the only thing he gave the main antagonist though was the keyblade not the black box he hid the black box shortly before reaching the person he was supposed to give that keyblade to which turned out to be the main antagonist of the series, I assume him hiding the black box was before he gave the main antagonist the keyblade that belonged to the master of Masters previously and inside of the keyblade at the bottom or the top is actually the master of Masters eye if you remember in the Kingdom hearts Union Cross back cover movie when he said that it was actually his real eye in the first place. He did that on purpose so he could see things happening even after he disappeared himself. So through the eye on the keyblade given to the main antagonist he can see the future before it actually happens that is how he possesses that kind of foresight and knew everything before anybody else could especially back when he was an apprentice in the first place. Get it now? The eye is how he's able to see into the future he's using the eye that came from the master of Masters which was embedded into the main keyblade that he uses in the first place that is how he's been able to practically see everything beforehand before any one of us could even see it coming! Yeah I know it's a little confusing but if you just look at the main antagonists main keyblade and you find the eye then now you know why it has an eye on it in the first place. He used that eye to predict the future so he could plan for every single eventuality. Yeah I know an easy thing to spot trust me at first it kind of threw me off that is until I went back and looked at the symbols in both soul eater and the main bad guys weapon they both have the eye but one of them meaning the one that is real is the one that the main antagonist has. I know it's kind of a really small thing but a lot of times small things can be extremely huge big things do come in small packages after all :-)
Just like xehanort is a part of kairis heart so is sora, thats likely why sora can channel through her
Xehenort is a memory or a fake made by her unconscious and sora is always connected to kairi, hence he was able lent her power to fight him. We don't know if the actual xehenort was in control of this fake though.
Riku and Kairi’s social distancing at their reunion hurts my heart. Come on, she’s been asleep for a year! At least give her a hug!
Fairy Godmother: "I heard you guys were moving along the plot after a year?"
When you realize KH3 has been out almost 2 years man does time fly..
Xehanort: I see so your voice can't reach us
Sora: TAKE THIS, THUNDER
Can't wait for your new theory videos in the future surrounding this, what a great and interesting ending to finish
HMK RUclips acting as if he didn't write this entire plotline
So we’re having a kingdom hearts and final fantasy mix game
What he means is that whether willing to help him or not she technically was his partner to find those answers without even knowing it, she was supposed to follow Sora on his adventures but he made her stay on the island until the end of Kingdom hearts 2 when she decided that waiting isn't a good idea and ended up following a mysterious stranger which turned out to be Riku leading him to see Sora because she insisted on it even though he didn't want him to be seen the way he was when he had the form of the main antagonist who was bugging him for all these years. But through her insistence they went to find him anyway thus reuniting due to the fact that the charm might have secretly been a tracking device the whole time. However the charm being attracting device is a little theory but it seems pretty plausible considering that their hearts are connected either way so she was able to track him through the philosopher charm that he gave back to her at the end of Kingdom hearts 2 which he ended up getting back shortly after that adventure so she could keep track of his events and intervene whenever possible which explains why she was at yenson's Tower at the end of dream drop distance upon yen Sid's request Riku was sent to the islands to go and get her so she could begin training instead of being left at the island. I have a feeling that going back to my tracking device theory, That's how we'll be able to find Sora in the end is tracking him through the item that he still possesses whether he knows that he still has it or not like I said their hearts are still connected through that charm it's their symbol but there's a high chance he still has it :-) I wouldn't put it past him to still have it on his person in fact that could be not only how we find him but how he manages to get through the whole mess and Shibuya in future games only time will tell with the next title will bring.
What if Sora is supposed to become his loved ones' power to take on the Foretellers and M.O.M?
The next Kingdom Hearts title will feature three playable teams, and will be subtitled "Dawn of Awakening"
Im coming back if this happen
Imagine
Lmao
After seeing KIngdom Hearts 4 trailer, what if Sora was dreaming about this fight, and his heart reached Kairi even when he was in Quadradum! And then he wakes up and that leads to what we see in the trailer.
When I first played this I wasn't thinking about a fictional world I thought it was a cross between different dimensions but man was I wrong, however I would not put it past them to dabble in the concept of dimensions in the future of the series. Actually that would be interesting now that I think about it :-) like for example actually being able to meet versions of your past selves that would actually be interesting. I just imagine Riku meeting himself is a little kid and the interactions that they both would have and it's just it would be adorable same thing with Sora as well as her too. It would just be not only interesting but kind of cute :-)
its so hard to rewatch it i must cry.... i wish sora back
Who would've thought? We searched for riku, kairi, now it's Sora's time to be found 💁♂️😁!
This is perfect timing. Just as this vid released, I wanted to rewatch the ending cutscenes of this game. Thank you, HMK!
*THE SHACKLES HAVE BEEN RELEASED!!!*
Wait a min, remember in the secret ending in KH3. Sora was in (ima just call it-) Shibuya? Well we now know Riku is going to Quadratum, and well we saw him in a place full of tall buildings in the secret ending in KH3. What if Riku waking up in that place is the start of the next game, as we seen in the KH3 secret ending.
Interesting take, but I think that KH3 secret ending was just Riku having those dreams he was talking about. When Riku was talking to Fairy Godmother in Remind, he said he was walking around a city and felt someone watching him, which is exactly what happened in the secret ending.
Plot twist: The Kingdom Hearts universe is literally the fictional side of the worlds in canon. They are trying to reach the real world, OUR world!
I think it’s more of an alternative reality situation. It would explain why Yozora is a video game character in the toy story world after all. In Sora’s universe, Yozora and Quadratum is fiction. However from Yozora’s perspective, Sora & the KH universe is fiction.
My theory is that this is when Donald and Goofy end up in Union Cross.
As for what games might follow, I expect we might be shown what the groups in Twilight Town and Land of Departure have been doing (maybe exploring Subject X and Ventus's past), and then maybe a game with Sora, Riku, and/or Kairi exploring unreality.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!
So, I believe the Kairi training and investigation into the other worlds will be the long awaited BBS Vol 2. I believe we will have a Sora/Riku/Yozora game, and then KH4
I really hope they don't drag out all these separate paths into more spinoff titles. I just want Verum Rex and Kingdom Hearts 4!
Also at some point Xehanort has to stop knowing absolutely everything that was going on. Would much rather they just revealed him to be an unwilling pawn of MoM/Luxu.
I think the ancient masters yen did was talking about wasn’t the fortellers but the ones the MoM knows and I think those masters are the ones that became the darkness now. Because they got to see that side and said ok so what’s the point of light anymore darkness allows more than the light it at a price of there humanity idk but I can’t wait to see the next game hopefully we get to play as Riku with leveling and skills. Because DDD didn’t do him justice. Lol great vid HMK.
Yo real quick, so you made a point of the moment Riku is sent to the other side. Recall when we had the trailer with Yozora and his boys, that same beam of light with clouds was happening and Yozora's gang went into it and we saw Nameless star in the middle. Could that be the moment she is brought back to Quadratum? An interesting thing to note ☝🏼
Xheanort: Your voice cannot reach us...
Sora during the fight: THUNDER!!!
18:55 yes i believe since they are intertwined her and sora were ble to connect its also kind of a callback to kh1
Omg I had a weird dream yesterday where Donald and Goofy went to Twilight Town and surprised the Sea Salt Trio and telling them the information so far about locating Sora. I hope this prediction will be a reality in the next Kingdom Hearts game in 2022!!
I think what we see of old Xehanort is a remanent and the version of no name is just a version not a complete physical version as Luxu (Xigbar) is back into possession of his keyblade given by the Master of masters. And as such he was probably only there to help as he knew something was up with the master of masters and the plan he "wanted" to be carried out by Xehanort.
Again my apologies just trying to help piece together the main puzzle with the information that I've gathered throughout the series The many little details so to speak, even though I can't see very well my mind can piece things together like a puzzle in other words my skill of analysis comes in very handy :-)
And in the world of yozora, there is a popular video game series about light and dark...both sides are reality and unreality in relation to each other ...
I love how HMK said Bippity-boppity-boo at 22:23 😂
13:16 I’m guessing this takes place before the post credits scene of Kingdom Hearts 3
Actually I think this is all taking place after KH3, after Sora goes bye bye lol.
THEY BROUGHT MASTER XEHNOART BACK?! NOMURA WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!?!?
yeah i know its ALMOST 2 months after its released but i am STILL holding off finishing the game!!! I dont want it end!!
Verum Rex will be connected to the connected universe of Live-Action Remakes, MCU and SWU.
6:07 Buddy went King Garon on em
As far as I know Tetsuya he’s probably gonna say that the godmother was actually the darkness in disguise or some bs like that. She knows too much as a side Disney character
Probably just gonna say she is an elder like Merlin and Yen Sid. So of course they will gain info over time.
hmk u question y he xhanort there bc u said he is dead witch he it but kari said "even if you're not really here and this is just a memory or an illusion" witch means this isn't the real xhanort but a memory of him if u remember that this is in her dreams
Kairi has achieved Autonomous Sora Instinct!
Riku really went:
*Final* => Fiction= *Fantasy* to Quadratum = *Square*
Remember when Once Upon A Time did this with Dr. Frankenstein. Wonder how KH will differ.
I'm close for platinum most proud songs are crazy!
Wait, doesn't the Ancient Masters refer to the Dark Road guys since Mickey is looking into information on Scala and Xehanort already knew about the fictional world? Makes no sense that the Ancient Masters refers to the Foretellers, right?
HMK DUDE 29:52 if you listen, you can hear yozora's theme
Quadratum...if it's made up of areas from 4 cities and we know 2 would be Shibuya and Shinjuku, One could be Chiyoda with buildings like the Edo Castle. The other could be either Minato or Toshima. This has me hyped!!!!
You probably figured it out already but I think Kairi's training may involve learning the Power of Waking so she can join Riku and Sora, since Fairy Godmother mentioned that the Power of Waking is needed in order to get to Quadratum. Hopefully we don't just skip her training and she gets a game showing it.
But it's still a bummer that we didn't get a Yozora versus Kairi fight scene
well, she could not have memories of that since the only one who met Yozoora so far is Sora after disappearing. Hence, no fight with him for Kairi :)
how would that even be possible?
That doesn’t make sense. Also kairi is too weak to even face Yozora. Keep dreaming
I'm saying this as before we knew this game's story was going to be short
Quadralatum it is ! love your videos man : )
That star has to be the girl Yozora try’s to save, notice in the trailer she’s wearing a star necklace
14:33 the Xehanort Saga may be over, but it's not forgotten lol
So let me get this straight. Aqua sacrifices herself and stays in the realm of darkness, a world she knows nothing about, for like 15 years and Mickey just leaves her there, not worried at all. But it's a different story once Riku goes to Quadratum to save Sora in a world he knows nothing about. WTF 😤😤 🤬
I mean to be fair, Mickey only found out that Aqua was in the Realm of Darkness during KH1. He had no idea where she was for 10 years, and it probably only felt like a few weeks for her, since she didn’t have food.
LMAO RIGHT?
Bros before hoes lmao
I consider it character development more than anything. Mickey regrets how he left Aqua, and he doesn’t want that to happen again for anyone else.
no the thing is that yen sid told mickey to focus on other stuff while mickey cared for aqua wellbeing.
What if the Master of Master's killed the nameless star or orchestrated it, in order to have a way for a portal to be open to escape. Knowing that sora friends would find a way to free him.
When was this recorded?
A While Ago LOL I had it in my pocket
@@HMK great that we can finally see it :)