I always maintain the idea that the time war, any time war, becomes part of the same event. There isn't more than one time war, jus the moment that first temporal bullet gets fired it picks up the last war right where it left off. It's the old saying of Peace is the time between wars, except you remove the Time between part. You can't have peace when you get bombed by someone from 20 years later. etc. Though the fourth mediocre time war was pretty funny, with all those hats and dance offs.
Despite Paul McGann not doing much as the 8th Doctor when it came to live TV, his Doctor was the one who had to make the most difficult decision in all the Doctor's lives. One that would lead to consequences because there was no other way. A landmark moment.
"Great Men are forged in fire, it is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame." Sounds like a romanticized version of "weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men..."
As history looks at it, it's the other way around. Hard men always look to prove they are hard. While it's the people left behind who have to fix things.
@@josephstahl9119 I mean, thats not true either. Pick up any list of medals give for valour, VC, MoH, GC, CGC, DSC, and you'll see a list of extremely hard men who often wanted nothing but to not be there, but they had a job to do.
This was epic. I understand the Doctor's pain of destroying his home. But as he said himself, he had no choice, it was destroying Gallifrey or watching the universe collapse from the Time Lords' return. Good thing that's not what happened in the end.
Galifrey has survived the challenges brought to it after the Great Time War. Now instead of staying in one fix moment of time. the Time Lords have to send Galifrey on a series of paths where it is traveling across time itself. Now the Time Lords are preparing the next race who will become one of the masters of Time Travel. One Time Lord was chosen to help the race to become what seems to be the successors of the Time Lords. Yet the same race whom the Time Lords want to be their successors are learning that they need the the help of the Time Lords. Esp. to prevent another Great Time War. As the Time Lords learn of their successors wanting to be their partners, the Time Lords began to accept the challenge of helping their new partners. One Time Lord had help to save his people more than once. Sometimes never noticing it on occasion. Now it is up for this Time Lord to start a long search to find the person who he really is. If the Doctor is going on a long search to find himself, he needs to find time to answer a question which has prevented him from understanding how he became one of the greatest saviors in the Known Universe. The question which the Doctor needs to answer is "What happen to my own family?" Now the Doctor looking for his family. For the Doctor, he wants to find a few answers to the troublesome question.
The unfortunate reality is that the Doctor may have ended the war but he didn't win it neither did the Timelords the Daleks won because the Emperor's ship survived and the Cult of Skaro escaped in the Void ship so all the Timelords died for nothing
Though if the war didn't end there and then imagine how much worse it would have been even if he could change his choice he couldn't or u could say anniversary not using the weapon saved the daleks too
This is an almost perfect video. I love it. I just wish the Queen of Years wasn’t singing in it. It sounds out of place and a bit like nails on a chalkboard. But that is 1% of the video. The rest is a masterpiece!
@@davidmyers2912 Yeah, she's singing under the "I walked away from the Last Great Time War" quote - I know who you mean, it just took me a minute to register "Oh yeah, that's what they call her in that episode I've never enjoyed."
Never mind the Sontarans.....there was a war....and I wasn't invited? I'm Scottish...If there is a war to be had...we have to be there! It's in the rule book! Page 1!
Men who had made a grave mistake to destroy two powerful civilizations and manage to destroy the survivors without accepting their second chance to live than to behave like a god of belief with blood on their hands and lusts for more. Such cruelty cannot tolerate by those who hasn't yet been held accountable for the crimes they might've offered another chance. The biggest heartless fool of the universe often creates him/herself into a greatest threat in the universe.
My best friend says that...though he says it proudly! He said it took him time to realise he didn't like Colin Baker because Colin's Doctor was "when the Doctor was me." After that....Colin, John and Peter...."they are me." Short, sharp and grumpy....for good reason.
@@Monique.Riversong 8 was the when the penny dropped 🎈🎈..the TV Movie is full of pointers . 12 as a kid who cries all the time for no reason and isolates himself away from everyone else - hit home... i have to keep my inner master/missy locked up by getting plenty of sleep . The universe/tardis was pointing me to 3 characters of who i should be like ..Dr daniel jackson , professor robert langdon and the Doctor ...some author somewhere was writing our story ..bit like " stranger than fiction " ..the rabbit hole goes much deeper as you probably know yourself ...but shhhhh !!!!!
@@martinmanifold2241 Oh I can relate...though a bit harder for females (back in the 80's 90's when I was a child.) As a child I dived in to world mythology and the origin fairy-tales...not these Disneyfied modern retellings to find the heroines And I turned to Scifi, fantasy, underworld...gritty, dark, brooding stuff. I found my inner Dana Scully, my inner Ripley, But to find a Gothic femme...dark, gracious, powerful and able to love? Hello Morticia Addams! (the original). But Missy was just delicious! She is my Dark...dark side. My children keep her in check!
@@Monique.Riversong the universe / tardis / god ...whatever you choose to call it ....had me destined to work alone ..am married but i work alone and dont run with the pack ..".Booker " is the watchword . 😉
I think it was written in that Genesis Of The Dalek was the first battle of the time war. Except when they later went to the beginning of the universe and fought. Only to send a message to thier earlier selfs to go to the end of time and launch an attack. If you start a war today and a million years into the past to attack? Or tomorrow travel to the day before yesterday to fight a billion years in the future. Which was first? However there are a few paradoxical issues with time travel. The fatal flaw with time travel fiction is however big a mess is made of things it must have been fixed / never happened or you wouldn't exist to fix it. Except if you fixed it, there's nothing to solve. So why did you travel in time to recruit yourself......
Genesis Of The Daleks was the Timelords attempt to win the war before the Daleks became a threat. Remembrance Of The Daleks is when Davros made his intentions towards the Timelords apparent, and The Doctor tricking him into destroying his own planet didn't derail them.
Wasn't that kind of the point though? An endless war where literally every second of history from the beginning to the end of reality has been used to try and defeat the enemy? Never ending slaughter, no respite, no hope, no change. Seriously fucked up stuff really.
That's what makes the Great Time War so disastrous. All the paradoxes, all the shifting timelines, Time itself was dying. They played into the Fatal flaw, as you put it, rather than ignoring it.
Oh yeah and two more things: 1) You're a dalek if you don't subscribe to my good friend Jamma 2. You are a genius Jamma! Love you hope you and loved ones are safe!
I think taking away the decision of the Doctor to wipe out the Time Lords, was a mistake. Like that is the big shake up moment that separates old and new who.
@@rightupmyalley617 Not gonna pretend to be an expert at how audio processing works, but it could be RUclips's compression of my uploaded file; nothing I can do about that.
TAMPLATE 1982 2050 STORM GALIFREY MANA SINCE EARTH FROM MANAHWA MANA UNIVERSE GALIFREY STAND MANA SUNS SON OF SKARO DAVOS UNIVERSE TEMPLANES GALIFREY SAKE
And then a new born Master ..After 400,809,030,873 yr's & him barely 4 yr's old ... And destories all Gallifreyons in order to make Cyber - Gallifreyons & the Doctor becomes Death & Kills the Master & all the Hybrids.. She a new Shiva travels out again to the Stars..
They one of the greatest moments in Doctor Who history; the creation of the War Doctor, the missing link between the original series and the new! (n then they ruined it with Jodie Whittaker) 🤔
@@looking4agoodtime89 I had a 2 lists of Actors to replace Capaldi! Those who could do it; n those that couldn't. She was 3rd on the list of people who couldn't!! 🤔
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It's always the Last Great Time War you hear about! They never talk about the Fourth Mediocre Time War, do they?
Or the First Pathetic Time War that the Time Lords ended in a single afternoon - not exactly the stuff of legend, when you think about it.
It wasn't mediocre to those that fought and died in it. How soon we forget!
@@jamma.77 Yeah but the doughnuts were great!
I always maintain the idea that the time war, any time war, becomes part of the same event. There isn't more than one time war, jus the moment that first temporal bullet gets fired it picks up the last war right where it left off. It's the old saying of Peace is the time between wars, except you remove the Time between part. You can't have peace when you get bombed by someone from 20 years later. etc.
Though the fourth mediocre time war was pretty funny, with all those hats and dance offs.
Well, to be honest, the Fourth Mediocre Time War really felt like a repeat of the Third Mediocre Time War.
Despite Paul McGann not doing much as the 8th Doctor when it came to live TV, his Doctor was the one who had to make the most difficult decision in all the Doctor's lives. One that would lead to consequences because there was no other way. A landmark moment.
His Doctor? Not John Hurt’s Doctor?
@@ShaunakDesaiPiano The John Hurt Doctor was based on the consequences.
@@ShaunakDesaiPiano the war doctor was born from the decision of the 8th.
I love that the Master is some combination of envious and turned-on by the idea of using the Moment to obliterate both the Daleks and the Timelords.
The Doctor and The Moment are so much alike in their way, beings of immense power and conscience.
1:14 Great description of what they think about the Time Lords.
What episode is that quote from I cannot think of which it is
@@jcrossan1351 Before the Flood season 9 episode 4, the Fisher King.
@@gtaipan7422 thank you kindly
@@jcrossan1351 No problem
Thank you a fantastic scene compilation. Truly well done in telling the story and the pain he went through.
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Great Men are forged in fire, it is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame."
Sounds like a romanticized version of "weak men make hard times, hard times make strong men..."
Or a romanticized version of "weaklings die, big deal"
@@Shadow25720 thats cutting too much context.
As history looks at it, it's the other way around. Hard men always look to prove they are hard.
While it's the people left behind who have to fix things.
@@josephstahl9119 I mean, thats not true either. Pick up any list of medals give for valour, VC, MoH, GC, CGC, DSC, and you'll see a list of extremely hard men who often wanted nothing but to not be there, but they had a job to do.
@@wierdalien1 Those are not hard men. Those are good men.
A great compilation it puts the storytelling around the time war on great display!
Great job on the edit! Your transitions were perfectly timed and you chose fantastic clips. A well earned like and subscribe
This was epic. I understand the Doctor's pain of destroying his home. But as he said himself, he had no choice, it was destroying Gallifrey or watching the universe collapse from the Time Lords' return. Good thing that's not what happened in the end.
Why do I feel so bad for all who fought this makes it so sad and confused. Also this is a great combo of videos
Very well done! Thank you!
They need to do a time war season
John Hurt
First time I saw him was in Frankenstein Unbound and guess what ......
He was a Time Traveller then too .
Great job!
Thanks!
Galifrey has survived the challenges brought to it after the Great Time War. Now instead of staying in one fix moment of time. the Time Lords have to send Galifrey on a series of paths where it is traveling across time itself. Now the Time Lords are preparing the next race who will become one of the masters of Time Travel. One Time Lord was chosen to help the race to become what seems to be the successors of the Time Lords. Yet the same race whom the Time Lords want to be their successors are learning that they need the the help of the Time Lords. Esp. to prevent another Great Time War. As the Time Lords learn of their successors wanting to be their partners, the Time Lords began to accept the challenge of helping their new partners.
One Time Lord had help to save his people more than once. Sometimes never noticing it on occasion. Now it is up for this Time Lord to start a long search to find the person who he really is. If the Doctor is going on a long search to find himself, he needs to find time to answer a question which has prevented him from understanding how he became one of the greatest saviors in the Known Universe. The question which the Doctor needs to answer is "What happen to my own family?" Now the Doctor looking for his family. For the Doctor, he wants to find a few answers to the troublesome question.
An excellent summing up.
The unfortunate reality is that the Doctor may have ended the war but he didn't win it neither did the Timelords the Daleks won because the Emperor's ship survived and the Cult of Skaro escaped in the Void ship so all the Timelords died for nothing
Though if the war didn't end there and then imagine how much worse it would have been even if he could change his choice he couldn't or u could say anniversary not using the weapon saved the daleks too
This is an almost perfect video. I love it. I just wish the Queen of Years wasn’t singing in it. It sounds out of place and a bit like nails on a chalkboard. But that is 1% of the video. The rest is a masterpiece!
TBH, it actually took me a minute to realise who you meant because Rings of Akhaten is such a forgettable episode.
@@jamma.77 I agree. I’m pretty sure that’s who’s singing for 2-3 seconds in the video. Maybe something else.
@@davidmyers2912 Yeah, she's singing under the "I walked away from the Last Great Time War" quote - I know who you mean, it just took me a minute to register "Oh yeah, that's what they call her in that episode I've never enjoyed."
I didn't think I would ever see some one call the Rings of Akhaten a forgettable episode when it has one the doctor's greatest speeches ever.
@@peterms- Oh, the speech is incredible, it's just the only thing I retain from that episode.
Never mind the Sontarans.....there was a war....and I wasn't invited? I'm Scottish...If there is a war to be had...we have to be there! It's in the rule book! Page 1!
Men who had made a grave mistake to destroy two powerful civilizations and manage to destroy the survivors without accepting their second chance to live than to behave like a god of belief with blood on their hands and lusts for more. Such cruelty cannot tolerate by those who hasn't yet been held accountable for the crimes they might've offered another chance. The biggest heartless fool of the universe often creates him/herself into a greatest threat in the universe.
This epic compilation shows how far the show has fallen since. How sad.
Loved paul chris david and matts doctors ....but peters doctor was "when the doctor was me" ...more like me than i like to admit...
My best friend says that...though he says it proudly! He said it took him time to realise he didn't like Colin Baker because Colin's Doctor was "when the Doctor was me." After that....Colin, John and Peter...."they are me." Short, sharp and grumpy....for good reason.
@@Monique.Riversong 8 was the when the penny dropped 🎈🎈..the TV Movie is full of pointers . 12 as a kid who cries all the time for no reason and isolates himself away from everyone else - hit home... i have to keep my inner master/missy locked up by getting plenty of sleep . The universe/tardis was pointing me to 3 characters of who i should be like ..Dr daniel jackson , professor robert langdon and the Doctor ...some author somewhere was writing our story ..bit like " stranger than fiction " ..the rabbit hole goes much deeper as you probably know yourself ...but shhhhh !!!!!
@@martinmanifold2241 Oh I can relate...though a bit harder for females (back in the 80's 90's when I was a child.) As a child I dived in to world mythology and the origin fairy-tales...not these Disneyfied modern retellings to find the heroines And I turned to Scifi, fantasy, underworld...gritty, dark, brooding stuff. I found my inner Dana Scully, my inner Ripley, But to find a Gothic femme...dark, gracious, powerful and able to love? Hello Morticia Addams! (the original). But Missy was just delicious! She is my Dark...dark side. My children keep her in check!
@@Monique.Riversong the universe / tardis / god ...whatever you choose to call it ....had me destined to work alone ..am married but i work alone and dont run with the pack ..".Booker " is the watchword . 😉
@@Monique.Riversong the new spock in star trek discovery series 2 ..was a revelation .
I think it was written in that Genesis Of The Dalek was the first battle of the time war.
Except when they later went to the beginning of the universe and fought.
Only to send a message to thier earlier selfs to go to the end of time and launch an attack.
If you start a war today and a million years into the past to attack?
Or tomorrow travel to the day before yesterday to fight a billion years in the future.
Which was first?
However there are a few paradoxical issues with time travel.
The fatal flaw with time travel fiction is however big a mess is made of things it must have been fixed / never happened or you wouldn't exist to fix it.
Except if you fixed it, there's nothing to solve. So why did you travel in time to recruit yourself......
Genesis Of The Daleks was the Timelords attempt to win the war before the Daleks became a threat.
Remembrance Of The Daleks is when Davros made his intentions towards the Timelords apparent, and The Doctor tricking him into destroying his own planet didn't derail them.
Wasn't that kind of the point though? An endless war where literally every second of history from the beginning to the end of reality has been used to try and defeat the enemy? Never ending slaughter, no respite, no hope, no change.
Seriously fucked up stuff really.
That's what makes the Great Time War so disastrous.
All the paradoxes, all the shifting timelines, Time itself was dying. They played into the Fatal flaw, as you put it, rather than ignoring it.
If the sontarans were allowed to join the last great time war and survived, I believe that they would have become pacifists…
Oh yeah and two more things: 1) You're a dalek if you don't subscribe to my good friend Jamma 2. You are a genius Jamma! Love you hope you and loved ones are safe!
This is just beutifull
Sham that its gone the true Dr Who
I think taking away the decision of the Doctor to wipe out the Time Lords, was a mistake. Like that is the big shake up moment that separates old and new who.
Thank - you . ( 2022 / May / 09 )
This sounds like Temporal cold war.
Last great battle of Ego. Timelords have a lot to answer for.
Where did the McGann clips come from?
ruclips.net/video/-U3jrS-uhuo/видео.html
The Night of the Doctor minisode where they show his regeneration.
@@jamma.77 Ahh thank you. I knew I had a missing episode somewhere!
Is this our life..
Bad sound quality but great video anyway
I have noticed that these sound different depending on the device I'm on - what is it that's off for you? Is the music drowning out the dialogue?
@@jamma.77 some clips have bad bit rate compared to others
@@rightupmyalley617 Not gonna pretend to be an expert at how audio processing works, but it could be RUclips's compression of my uploaded file; nothing I can do about that.
@@jamma.77 I only really noticed it in the opening clip, rest were mostly fine
How many time wars are there and did time lords fought against Daleks in all of them? Also what other species were in the last great time war?
We can't possibly know, because to be a casualty of a time war is to become as if you never existed in the first place.
Doctor Who vison of flashpoint
But he saved Gallifrey, he didn't destroy them.
4:20
Ok mabey this show is cool, i never tried watching it
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FOR GOD SAKE THE CUB OF MARS THE MARS SAKE GALIFREY GALIFREY WON'T FALL FOR GOD SAKE !!!
Are you good bro
And then a new born Master ..After 400,809,030,873 yr's & him barely 4 yr's old ... And destories all Gallifreyons in order to make Cyber - Gallifreyons & the Doctor becomes Death & Kills the Master & all the Hybrids.. She a new Shiva travels out again to the Stars..
Makes sense. If I had a tardis I'd go back in time and dang well kill a certain showrunner!
@@Zebby-Dee Come on....you liked The Legends! You admitted it!
They one of the greatest moments in Doctor Who history; the creation of the War Doctor, the missing link between the original series and the new!
(n then they ruined it with Jodie Whittaker)
🤔
In all fairness, she was a stellar actress. She was just handed a shit script.
@@looking4agoodtime89 I had a 2 lists of Actors to replace Capaldi! Those who could do it; n those that couldn't. She was 3rd on the list of people who couldn't!!
🤔
@@brendannahor1460 who was on the list of who could?
@@looking4agoodtime89
Jason Flemyng; Richard E Grant; Paterson Joseph; Hayley Atwell; Nina Sosanya!
🤔
@@brendannahor1460 can’t argue with those choices.
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