"A New Man" (4x12) | *Buffy the Vampire Slayer* Reaction
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- I hope you enjoy my reaction to Season Four, Episode Twelve of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer': "A New Man".
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Giles scaring Walsh out of pure pettiness is one of my favorite little moments in the whole show.
Well, something had to be done about that fishwife!
What makes it even more funny is what he said to Spike just before that, about having a soul and a conscience.
Mine too.
Ethan worships 'Chaos'. That is the only explanation you need about him.
He's the literal definition of Chaotic Evil. ;-P
Yes, and he's trying to keep the balance by promoting chaos. The Initiative seems to be tipping the scale too much in favor of chaos, and that's what Ethan doesn't approve of.
@@Nicamon I would say chaotic neutral. He doesn’t care if bad things or good things come from his actions, as long as it’s chaotic
He would basically be an acolyte of the Lords of Chaos that Dr Fate opposes.
Chaos is a ladder
Ahh, you passed right over one of the best puns in the Buffyverse. Walsh: So, the slayer.We thought you were a myth. Buffy: Well, you were mythtaken.
Yeah, she does tend to pause during a joke and hence completely ruins the pacing when she unpauses after talking for a minute.
Cass should start skipping back ten seconds after unpausing so the pacing of the scene or dialogue can be re-established.
@Zso-VIII Yes, that makes sense. Sorry Cass, but you do that sometimes. It's not your fault, but I guess we're sometimes looking forward to certain moments, and you just happen to pause at just the right/wrong moment.
Hopefully you caught the joke while you were editing the video for RUclips.
That's actually taken from an old Spiderman comic. 😬
"Well, you'd be Myth-Taken."
Giles chasing Prof. Walsh was one of the funniest things that happens this season. I loved that part. And that they let him enjoy it too.
A father figure can absolutely replace your biological dad. That is the case for many people, including Buffy. Remember in Something Blue, how Buffy asked Giles to give her away at her wedding? She hasnt seen her Dad since he ditched her on her birthday an entire year ago. Giles watches out for her like a father every day.
I agree, Giles has definitely become a father figure to the entire group, his bond is stronger with Buffy. Xander's parents are abusive to each other and Willow's parents seem absent. Giles is reminding me of some parents feeling useless and isolated once their kids are becoming independent adults.
I'm a big believer in chosen family vs blood ties given my personal family situation - and I totally see this. However, given the context of what we've seen of Buffy's relationship with her dad in past episodes - there is yearning there for connection. Giles can absolutely take on a father figure role and be an amazing part of her life & irreplaceable in his own way, but I personally don't think there's ever any 'replacing' that connection with her dad at the same time.
@@officialcassreacts Found Family is a central theme of all Joss Whedon projects. From Buffy, to Fire Fly to Agents of Shield.
@officialcassreacts I can understand that. My parents divorced when I was 9 and noone could ever replace my Dad in my life. But I think for Buffy, it's different. We saw her reaching out in the first 3 seasons...but this year feels like a shift to me, where she's stopped thinking about him/reaching out to him and has fully shifted her focus onto just Joyce and her found family. Because her dad truly sucks and is not there for her.
Buffy exceeded Riley's "kill count" before she turned sixteen.
She exceeded that almost certainly before she came to Sunnydale
This episode really begins to demonstrate how little the Initiative comprehends the supernatural world. They don't understand(or even credit)magic at all, regarding the "HSTs" as a military containment problem and a research opportunity.
Walsh's casual dismissal of the "myth" of The Slayer-even when confronted by the reality-and comparing the efforts of her top agent to a being of legend, just underscores the lack of understanding.
A wonderful spotlight on the difference between the European/British way of doing things (the Watcher's Council) with the American way of doing things (the Initiative).
She didnt "say a smart thing" buffy said she is the smartest person she ever met. Way worse for Giles to hear
A fun trivia about the scene were Giles scares Walsh down the street. Joss wasn't happy with the first attempt und told ASH to 'dial it up'. And I love how the scene turned out!
Giles is the father figure that's why he got fired from his job as a watcher because he's like a father to buffy
Ethan wanted to know more about the lab, so he decide to turn Giles into a demon so he gets capture and taken to the lab. The rest of Ethan's plan is a mystery
Good theory!
Just a nice tidbit: a fandom wiki has a kill count for Buffy. From the data they provided, by the time Walsh brags about Riley's 11 or so kills, Buffy is closer to around 200!
125. Number 125 was "unidentified Gentleman" & she doesn't kill anything in ep11 or in this ep.
Also, a reminder that these are just the ones we see on screen. Buffy talks about dusting vamps on her regular patrol duties, that happen off screen. Even if she just kills an average of one every couple of days, that’s still easily 100+ extra vampires a year that we don’t see her kill.
And preshow kills, from the year or so she was the Slayer before coming to Sunnydale, would also add to her total. The gym was crawling with vamps.
@@2323stickboy she got 16 confirmed kills in the movie, you can literally look this up, you don't need to just randomly guess
11 kills riley? This week? Thats not bad. Total? Oh...
Lmao you were off the rails with your theories in this one. Love it. But I was laughing like "where's she getting all this from" 😂
'Fishwife' in English/Scottish slang is a loud lower-class woman, outspoken and aggressive. Glad you liked this episode, Cass. Giles's "I refuse to be a monster because I look like a monster' speech has echoes down the seasons. Spike can look like a monster, but can't be a monster to humans.
Same in Dutch actually ('Viswijf') never realized Americans wouldn't know that
@@Hannah_96 Aha! Now I can abuse people in two languages!
Most of the time, we're hearing Giles speaking from his own point of view. It's only when others hear him say something that they hear Fyarl instead.
Whoa your estimate is spot on! There’s an official count of all Buffy’s kills and I think at this point she had slain 125 vamps/demons on-screen (including those in the 1992 movie). But off-screen probably tons more!
Ya, since the show basically follows it's been a week or so since the last episode, and summer is when the show isn't being run, so that's an additional 3 months or so we don't see.
I wrote something similar in reply to another comment. The number of vamps we DON’T see her kill has to be astronomical. Even if it’s just one every few days, by season 4, she has probably killed hundreds off-screen.
Zero humans, however, if I remember correctly.
@@happyslapsgiving5421 What about the guy at the ice skating rink? ⛸️
@@AKCFTW Yep, him and the rogue female ex-Watcher whose arm she lopped off, allowing the lightning to kill her. ⚡
Maggie Walsh didn't want Riley to bring Buffy, because Buffy is technically a civilian. Simple as that.
Well, more than that, Buffy is somebody Walsh can’t control…
You cut out my favorite joke! Mythtaken. Riley would would have told Walsh about Buffy to get to this meeting. Kill count? There are the on-screen ones, but I think she'd be killing 1-2 per evening of patrolling off-screen.
It wasn’t Tara it was Ethan doing the magic’s
It could also have been what Ethan was talking about, 314 that was throwing the magic out of wack. It could have just been a coincidence that he cast the transformation spell around the same time.
25:30 it's because it has become a military operation in the initiatives eyes. Although Buffy has met with professor walsh, she is still considered a civilian at this point.
The initiative is a government operation, soldiers, non military personnel are not to be involved
I absolutely love how invested you are in the show, to the point of including yourself with the characters by using "us". I love it :)
We've seen Buffy's father (Hank Summers) three times so far. In Nightmares and When She was Bad plus a flashback with Joyce and Hank fighting in Becoming Part 1. I also thought pi the first time Ethan said 314 as well as every other time I've watched this.
Well...pi is irrational, and so is Maggie's plan in my opinion, so it fits...
The dynamic walsh had with Buffy makes me think of the dynamic science and modern systems sometimes see traditional and more cultural practices.
Buffy has approx 125 confirmed kills at this point in the story.
While Hank Summers is definitely largely absent from Buffy's life at this point, she visited him just a few weeks ago during "I Will Remember You," and we saw him on-screen in Season 2 in "When She Was Bad."
Pronounciation of Tara depends on your accent. I (British) say Tāra with a long ā, North Americans tend to say what sounds to me like 'Terra' with a short 'e' sound.
At least you did not assume Giles was trying to get Maggie Walsh to help him.
Are you saying some reactor actually thought that?
@@jaypee9575 Yes! Nick from “Nick Reacts” (formerly “Thor Reacts”).
@@migmit Ah him. Haven't tried his BTVS reactions yet. Ridiculous that anyone could think Giles was trying to get her help. Just wow.
Buffy has way more than 150 vampires under her belt. She was called roughly a year before season 1, if she killed on average 'just' 2.5 vampires per week she would have killed over five hundred at this point, maybe even over a thousand!
Doesn't she patrol almost every night? If we assume Buffy patrolled five nights a week for four years, and killed at least one vampire every patrol, then she has killed over 1,000.
@@brainstewX Yeah, but we don't know how many vampires she fights on average on patrol. But yes, it could be easily over a thousand, if she fights two each time two thousand etc...
"what if ethan is working with the initiative?"
it's a fun thought, but he did spend most of a night warning giles about them. call me crazy but that seemed genuine.
I died when you had a literal conversation with Giles and Ethan at 13:29
Ethan Raine was responsible for Halloween and Band Candy and was involved with Igon with Giles and others from their past.
Now he comes to warn Giles of something worse than chaos before acting chaotic and turning him into a demon.
It was Ethan’s magic that Willow sensed screwing up their spell. The next scene was the result as Giles had come down with a case of Fiarel demon.
Buffy didn’t kill Giles because she mistakenly thought the letter opener was silver. Apparently silver for that type of demon is like wood for vampires.
One thing I’ve never figured out is if Spike was being chased by the Initiative, why didn’t they get him after he crashed? Did he manage to give them the slip before crashing?
Willow and Terra's spell went out of wack, right after the scene where Ethan tells Giles that the Initiative is causing the WORLDS to go out of balance. The juxtaposition of the 2 scenes is meant to tell us, the audience that what Ethan was saying is true. It is the Initiative that is causing Willows magic to turn chaotic. Or, it could have been Ethan's spell to turn Giles into a demon.
I think that Walsh was playing Giles, she teaches psychology. She's probably looking to replace him as a parent figure and be her figure of authority. Buffy is already rubbing off on Riley which might become a problem for her. If a demon is attacking Ethan, you can bet that he's a good guy. It's like he comes back hoping one day that the Ripper will reunite with him to cause chaos again.
There is a recorded kill count (don't look it up though, it will have spoilers), by this episode buffy has 120 on screen kills (+16 if you count the events of the movie as canon)
Walsh is most definitely closer to 50 than to 40.
The actress is currently 75 yrs old, so when this was filmed she was roughly 50 yrs old.
The drift between Buffy and Giles started the moment Giles stopped thinking of himself as Buffys watcher and started encouraging her to stand on her own as an adult.
Rain was in three episodes prior: Halloween, Dark Ages and Band Candy.
About Buffy's kill count, let's not take into account this year (the fourth season) because it's not completed yet: Buffy has been active since she was fifteen years old, so at the end of season 3 she had slayed for between 3 and 4 years (depending on how close to her sixteenth she was when she became the slayer). Thus, if we assume she killed more or less one vampire by night, that means that, at bare minimum, she killed 1095 vampires in total. It's probably a lot more. And it's not even taking into account the other kinds of evils she dealt with over the year.
They compared body counts.
Buffy slayed.
Good for her.
I'm tickled that you caught on to the idea that Room #314 is named for Pi.
They got Pi Guy back there.
And the secret is revealed in the next episode - namely S4E13 ie 314 (backwards)
27:35 - 27:45 Well, he does apparently worship chaos.
"A thousan... oh, $100, I was thinking more like $1000!"
This was in the early early 2000's. $100 went a lot further than it does today. You could buy a week's worth of groceries for $100 back then.
Still, it was supposed to be a comically small number.
Buffy taking Riley to meet Giles is "the introduction of new beau to dad," while Riley taking Buffy to meet Walsh is "the introduction of new girlfriend to mom."
7:30 17 is something of a joke becaue that is Buffy's confirmed kills in the movie, Buffy has killed more vamps than Riley by the end of episode 1. And Buffy is at 125 kills on screen in this show alone.
Um... they got Ethan in the room. Is it really so hard to guess how they got Giles back?
I love this season it aged well even if the main arc is not the best. Willow's development is perfect this season
Another almost too comedic episode! But it was fun especially where Giles chases Walsh down the street. Interesting juxtaposition with Giles having to seek the help of Spike. The Xander, Spike in the basement part painfully funny again. The body swops, personality swops, etc a current theme throughout the whole series for lots of characters. The interminable, yes interminable Ethan Rayne back again causing more havoc. A decent little episode and great fun.
I would agree with you that this episode was 'fine'. I think after 'Hush' we have a few 'fine' episodes before it kicks up into high gear again.
Giles and Spike is a great teamup in this episode. Especially him chasing Walsh when a demon.
Buffy is a civilian. That's why Walsh didn't want her around. It's that simple and how the government works.
The kill count, as fans know it is what Buffy does on sreen. We also know that number is actually larger, as we don't see every kill she makes.
Buffy should have learned from The Mayor that just because a bad guy says something a good guy doesn't want to hear, it doesn't mean they're lying. Not considering Ethan's 314 story is no different than when she tried to tell Angel The Mayor was wrong about their relationship. Both times her excuse has been they're wrong because they're bad guys. The excuse doesn't work and she should now it by now.
Considering how Buffy's been distancing herself from Giles "I really thought I told you" even after saying sorry is more like the avoidance of an apology and continuing her distancing, as all the characters have been doing with each other all season. It's really hard to keep that high school group together once in college. Even if everyone is close by.
You mean 314*
@@maruskaehrensdorfer Yeah. I knew I typed it wrong as I typed it, but I was too lazy to look it up. Thanks. Got it corrected now.
Walsh's conversation with Giles, where she says Buffy lacked a strong father figure, this is the 3rd time we see her poor psychological understanding. Like when she failed to understand that the injuries we don't see can be the most serious; regarding the pain and suffering Willow was in when Oz left. For someone who teaches the subject, she sure misses the mark often. It is also notable that she thinks independence is a bad thing.
17? That's a busy week or a slow month for Buffy.
So, I just found your channel and subscribed. I follow several Buffy channels just because I love to watch new viewers watching for the first time.
I do have a question. I’m wondering why you say “we,” “ours,” etc., when talking about the Scooby Gang. I guess I will just assume that you are identifying with them as being apart of them. If so, you have a lot of heartaches coming!
Love your input so far!
On why Riley isn't supposed to bring Buffy along. It's as simple as they are a government military unit. Any official operation it would be against protocol to bring a civilian along on an operation, no matter how skilled they are. It's really just another comparison of the way both groups operate between the Initiative and the Scoobies. The upsides and the downsides, as they are shown to be effective to Buffy with having keys and being able to look up information at the drop of a hat, to not being able to bring her along (though she goes on her own) and then back to beneficial when they are able to hold Ethan.
No her last birthday was in s3 (Helpless) where giles poisend her and she lost her strength.
The birthday you refer to is 2 years ago (in the buffy universe) where she ice skated and her father didnt show up.
Um, no, ice skating (at least on-screen one) was not on her birthday, but earlier, when Kendra showed up.
@@migmitindeed, but both events took place in Season 2.
@@migmitno as i remember, her father should have shown up to ice skate with her, like always. But he didnt. So she did it with Angel.
When she actually ice skated was season 2 but it had nothing to do with her father or her birthday. She just told Angel about her skating phase and he suggested going to de-stress. In season 3 when her father didn't come for her birthday he was supposed to take her to an ice show.
314 as reference to pi... don't know if that was intentional (never heard about it before), but since Buffy and Will have a BAD room number 214, it could be. So or so, a smart suggestion😊.
Hey, I love your reactions so much! I don't know if you know Reneé Rapp but she is an actress and she makes really good music! I would love to see your reaction to her album 'Snow Angel' or 'Everything to Everyone'. :)
BTW, when Spike says he isn't so much driving the car as wearing it - do you know who else says that about their cars? F1 pilots.
8:00 It's hilalrious Riley think he could take Buffy in a fight. Buffy would have decent odds 1:1 against spiderman, she'd utterly obliterate someone like Captain America or Ironman.
That line about Professor Walsh being "like the smartest person I have ever met" said to Giles bugs me to this day. I had a lot of professors in college, but I don't think any of them were the smartest person I have ever met since matriculating in 1982. I have several candidates, but I'll nominate my wife since that same year. She gets at least two demerits for first agreeing to marry me, and second for remaining with me ever since. 😁
I chalk it up to socialized ideals. A lot of people put those that have advanced degrees up on a pedestal and do not realize that by itself is not all it is cracked up to be. Those with PhDs, MDs, JDs... can still be terrible at their jobs, or just terrible people. Plus some can have book smarts, but not know how to apply it; or lack practical/real world knowledge.
The girl that graduated 3rd in our high school class did not know what a valve stem on a tire was.
A PhD did not understand why her statistical analyses were not coming out right, and the answer was right in front of her- she had blank cells in her database spreadsheet.
And the example I mentioned in an earlier episode comment- PhD head of the clinical psych graduate program couldnt handle a student breaking down in her office when she was told she wasn't going be able to graduate, she had to get another professor to come in to help.
@@cruelangel8689 Alas, and we are daily told of "Doctor" Jill Biden. Who is someone I would not wish upon my worst enemy for "medical" care.
I mean, $100 was a lot more money 25 years ago :D
Riley and buffy forever Still miss u Angel
Buffy gas a new boyfriend, and so logically the title "A New Man " either means Spike who is not a man, or Gikes ceasing to be a man. This is what happens when you only post your Angel reactions on Patreon...
Awwwww I know you are a pausy girl but you literally ruined one of the BEST jokes for me by pausing right at Ethans little monologue. Before Giles pops in "Is somewhere tehre??"
Interrupting monologues is a running JW gag around this time. Spike is giving a monologue when the Initiative first tasers him. Also Xander monologues too long in The Zeppo in S3 and knocks off the reanimated dead guy's head before he can tell him where the bomb is. I'm sure it happens at other points too.
@@OldManFerdiad Uhhh.. he's talking about the reactor who pauses the reaction to such a ridiculous degree that it basically ruins her own reactions. He's not talking about interruptions written into the script.
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Walsh and Riley not wanting Buffy there is because she's a civilian and this is a military operation. Some 19 year old civilian private investigator walks up to an active crime scene and tells the national guard and FBI agents on site they are helping is not going to be accommodated. It's one of those things I think people don't think about when watching TV like this since that side of real life things is played relatively loosely by the show which focuses more on the fantasy aspects. Riley is a solider in an actual military with actual rules, procedures and a chain of command he is sworn to obey by both oath and law. The fact he's so flexible so quickly when it comes to Buffy is actually arguably unrealistic.
Sorry you were completely off about the title and direction of the episode....
So Chaos, in this world, is a literal deity (a higher being) & Ethan Rayne is a worshipper of said deity. That's his reason for doing anything.
Where does it say that Chaos is a being?
@@migmit The semi-canon video game "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Chaos Bleeds"
In Halloween Ethan is causing chaos for Janus, it's also mentioned that he 'worships' or 'causes' chaos either then or in Band Candy? He's basically an asshole that will do anything to cause trouble just for the sake of it rather than having a grand plan.
I don't think you noticed that 314 is also Buffy's dorm room number.
No but close, it's 214.
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I hate Riley's character,
I'm trying to decide what the Buffy object on the floor is. My guess is an Angel action figure
Fishwife: a vulgar abusive woman