"Goodbye Iowa" (4x14) | *Buffy the Vampire Slayer* Reaction
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2024
- I hope you enjoy my reaction to Season Four, Episode Fourteen of 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer': "Goodbye Iowa".
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"Larry is living his best life"... Yeah it's nice to forget what happened on graduation day sometimes.
Yeah i think i winced when she said that.
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Larry is gay. Also, Larry is dead.
Came to make sure someone mentioned this 😂😂
It’s easy to forget about some characters.I don’t know if I could remember all after 1 viewing , an edit,2 episodes a week, and putting up with someone like me.
Xander's "I ♡ dirt" tee is definitely a reference to his job as a construction worker. I always found that to be a nice touch.
Or (spoiler)
a reference to his "Master", hahaha.
@@heather9857😂
Larry is living his best life in heaven XD
So, experiencing his best afterlife.
Adam seeing the kid is a direct Frankenstein reference.
Im starting to think Cass's dog hears the 'grr Aatgh' and knows it's time for a walk ❤
I love this observation! You're probably right.
Aww she is falling for Buffy (the show lol). Watching Buffy becomes a comfort blanket for sure.
I never would've have predicting that happening this season, but its cool to geta reaction we typically don't.
Can you imagine how different this season could have turned out if that kid had answered Adam: “a superhero” instead of “a monster”!
Dang
Could have been an Iron Giant situation.
I don't think that would have changed anything because of why he was killing.
@@johncampbell756 because "curiosity"?
@@TheMrsWatcher I think the reason may be a spoiler.
"Its not like he was in the Nam" makes me lol idk why. 🤣 I love Anya.
Me too. For me it’s “the Nam” - I don’t know that I’ve ever heard anyone other than Anya refer to it as “the Nam.” Nam, maybe, but not the Nam, apart from a comic series from the late ‘80s.
I'm sure Xander has made her watch Apocalypse Now
@@AldWitch Anya-as-demon was old enough that she must've lived through that time, right?
Never thought about her being around for it! I assume she just thought it was another silly human war! And yeah THE Nam makes it funnier
Lol, watching the Willow/Tara shipper energy go from 5, to 15, to 150 percent in, like, 2 and a half episodes is so fucking amazing to watch omg.
Bless you for making and sharing these reactions, this is honestly giving me so much life right now 💖
PS: Apologies, but the pedant in me is compelled to say that by "real Frankenstein" you mean "classic movie Frankenstein". The monster in the book is actually quite eloquent!
Joss Whedon actually told an interviewer that it had been his plan from the outset to have one of Buffy's friends be gay. This is why he had the interaction between Larry and Xander that he did, as well as why Willow made the observation she did about her vampire self, which led to Buffy shushing Angel.
I feel bad for Graham having to listen to all this bullshit from Forest and Riley.
Same! "Get a room you guys!" 😂
I mean that’s what happens when you’re a 3rd wheel to a one sided DL bromantic relationship.
If you're trying to kill her 👍🏻👍🏻😄😀 lmao gets me every time.
You love this show so much already, I can't wait to see how much you're gonna love it next season.
30:24 every episode should end with a cameo from the puppy.
"I thought he'd be a true Frankenstein who couldn't speak" interestingly, in the original book by Mary Shelley he was extremely loquacious, intelligent, and tortured because he fully understood what he was and why his "father" hated him. Adam killing the boy is also directly from the book! (i'd hoped Adam would choose differently too)
Well at least he doesn't do a tap dance routine.
@@TheMrsWatcher Damn it, now i wish we had gotten Peter Boyle as Adam
The I heart dirt shirt is probably a call back to xander digging in the thanksgiving episode.
Without spoiling, the questions you have raised will be answered. I look forward to you reacting to finding out those answers.
Joss Whedon understands the implications of "Chekov's Gun."
Re you noticing the sexual metaphor 21:00 in Willow and Tara's spellcasting, go back to episode 4x12 and the first spell they do together: They levitate a rose for the purpose of plucking off its petals. In short, their first spell together is ... a deflowering. 😉
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Larry isn't living his best life. He died on Graduation Day.
It's funny that Anya thinks that Buffy might be romantically interested in Xander. Of course, we've seen the show from the beginning, so we know better. Of all the characters, only Anya would think that.
It's sad that the monster in Frankenstein has been so bastardized in the zeitgeist that we think of him in the universal monsters way of "fire, bad", and not the way the creature was on the book.
So glad to hear Buffy's becoming a top show for you! It's definitely one of my top of all time and its rewatchability is so high, I find myself loving it more each time as I find new things or relate to and aspects that hit differently as I get older. Plus it's just full of great characters you miss after a while of not watching 🤣
girl i've rewatched this a million times and i still assumed adam was the man's name lmao
So, there's this really famous movie that I'm not sure if you've seen yet so I won't say the name, but the first half focuses on a woman who you *think* is going to be the main character throughout, but then she gets killed by the *real* monster of the movie, and then *he* becomes the focus. That's sort of what this season of Buffy is like, with Maggie being the focus for the first half, but then Adam kills her and becomes the true "big bad". That mixed with the Frankenstein story makes for a...pretty interesting storyline.
By the way, about Tara sabotaging the spell? It *is* significant, but you've got a long wait to learn why. Actually, looking back, I'm pretty impressed that they set this up so soon, and that's all I'm going to say about it.
Text T's were like a fashion thing at the time and the show kinda made a bit of a joke about throwing the most random ones they could find on people.
I think a lot of people really don't think about Riley's trauma this season very much, and granted part of that is we have such a limited perspective on it, but it's insane how much he goes through in such a short time. This guy was just some normal dude, pledged his life to military service out of a desire to do good and ends up fighting against literal horror movie monsters. Then in the span of like a couple weeks he learns he was violated in mind and body by the person he trusted, had his entire lifes work called into question and simultaneously now has to cope with the idea that there could be literal demons that are not actually evil. If you pulled the Doom Slayer aside and told him that some of those demons he's butchering are actually good he'd think you were insane, especially when he's literally never met one that hasn't actually killed people and hasn't tried to kill him or his friends.
You’re so right about The I In Team. It was a major episode in my eyes the first time I watched it, I swear there were so many plot twists. But on rewatches… yeah, not that significant of an episode. Still a good one though, as is this one.
6:50 Also this is so me lol, and many of us too. This is why we’re all trying to re-live the show through reaction videos 😅
One of the strengths of Buffy are the very satisfying kick ass scenes. Buffy on the monitor telling Walsh…” you really don’t know what a Slayer is”. All time great moment . Many episodes are elevated because of how 1 scene can make episodes , years, and plots all worth the struggle. All I have to do is tell a Buffy fan…. The Prom.. and memories go back to a speech and a simple little umbrella. That final 10 minutes make The Prom a favorite. Same in this episode. Start the scene with Walsh talking with Riley and every fan moves their eyes to the background, waits, sees the picture on the monitor slightly move… and then we all smile when we see Buffy and wait to hear her say… “ Professor Walsh”. Then it’s a great episode
Riley's realization happens because of Adam. Not because of what Walsh did to Buffy, and even then he was questioning things. Shows what total obidience without questioning can do to people.
The power of propaganda and cognitive dissonance. Both of which are super prevalent in American society.
Plus, they were drugged. Probably had something to do with it.
@@plumdutchess That goes along with spamfilter32's comment of cognitive dissonance. In this case drugs tie directly into the how rather than being a seperate reason.
Perhaps if professor Walsh had somehow fed Adam with the meds while still piecing him together, she would have had more control over him, and he would not have killed her. It seems to me that neglecting to do that was her downfall, and now Adam is free to take matters into his own hands ( if you can still call them hands).
The way Anya looks at Xander when he tells her "I'll be careful. I promise." You can really see how much she cares for him. Emma Caulfield is an underrated actor.
Is Forrest power-hungry or is he Riley-hungry?
Both work for me😏 But seriously though, I’ve personally loved the idea of Forrest secretly being IN love with Riley but because of their profession, it being 1999/2000, and because he doesn’t wanna ruin their bond he can’t do anything BUT be jealous and protective over Riley when he’s clearly falling for Buffy. Makes Forrest less a douche-bro and more of a tragic toxic love story.
Definitely a yearning for Riley not power 😂
Poor Larry.
So glad Willow's witch friend can do witch stuff with her with witchieness
Calling the 314 monster Adam is not reference to Adam and Eve. At least not directly. It is a reference to Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. Frankenstein's creation turns to Frankenstein and says "I aught to be your Adam." That Frankenstein has made himself into god by creating life. Prof. Walsh has done the same thing, she played god by creating Adam. Even Adam killing the child in this episode is a reference to Frankenstein.
Sorry if it has been mentioned already but I think Adam killing that boy is a Frankenstein movie reference. In the classic Frankenstein the Monster throws a little girl into a lake and she drowns (but I don't think the Monster knew what he was doing. Adam I think is aware).
*any character, any character at all comes on screen*
ARE THEY THE BAD GUY?!?!?!
Rat Amy is spotted in a scene:"Is _SHE_ gonna be the Bad Guy?!?😵"
Forrest wasn't mad about Buffy being Riley's second in command because he wanted power: if that's what he wanted he'd be happy about it, since when they split into two teams he was put in command of his unit. Instead he was jealous: "*I* am Riley's sidekick! It's always been that way! Who's this newcomer coming between us?" He was perfectly happy for Riley to have a girlfriend-- it's not *that* kind of jealousy-- but when she gets into their team that's another thing. You could kinda sorta say that Forrest sees himself as Sam and Riley as Frodo, which makes Buffy Gollum.
Exactly. I don’t get why people are making it as romantic jealously, when really, she is like Yoko breaking up the group and changing his bff.
@@lahalhalha Oh, Yoko's a much better analogy than my Gollum to Frodo/Sam one.
@@lahalhalhabecause it’s fine to make your own head canon in these types of situations. If you think it’s not romantic, cool. Me personally, I think it’s a neat concept that Forest is on the DL and secretly loves Riley more than a friend but Riley as a mid western boy next door would never notice and only sees him as a good friend. It’s tragic for Forest in that way and kinda gives him more character. Again, in head canon only. Yes bros can love each other without one or both being gay but sometimes it’s just that. One of them is gay but is too afraid to come out and ruin the bond. Especially in the late 90s/early 2000s military.
@@notyouraveragebear9326 It's a neat concept but the text doesn't support it. Forrest doesn't start to get jealous and bitchy until Buffy starts doing team things with them. Before they learned she was the slayer and Riley was getting closer to her he was fine with it.
@@chriswhinery925
either interpretation is entirely consistent with the text. being able to publicly perform an attraction to women was an important part of "passing". buffy joins the team *because* she's gotten much closer to riley. the show doesn't portray any in-between state where buffy and riley are definitely an item but he hasn't yet brought her in. so there's nothing in the text to make any easy distinction about the nature of forrest's jealousy.
Lol my dog Senna does the exact same thing when she’s got to go 😂 same face and everything - so cute
"Sometimes things don't just click for me right away"
but tells me for the first time in the 25 years I've watched this show that the room number 314 are the first three digits of pi xD
I legit love this show so much I re-watch it annually since it ended, this and Charmed are my all time favorite shows!
Another excellent reaction. Glad you saw so much with Willow and Tara on your edit. There was a lot going on in Episode 13 and it’s easy to overlook subtleties. That’s classic Buffy. Many things are happening and the focus is on one thing and other critical events are happening.
Do not be surprised how your views on this show are and will change. Many people ( including reactors) have started this show with little expectations and with the understandable idea it’s just a teen Vampire show. For some the change is after a specific episode, some about a story line, and for most it’s a slow build that you suddenly realize how much a show and its characters matter Glad you are getting there and welcome . Hate to tell you but the journey is just getting revved up and the next 74 episodes are going to be a ride like no other. Sit back and enjoy I get a kick out of your guesses on what will be happening. Good luck. If you can anticipate 5 % of what is going to be in store for you… hats off. You are obviously smart and aware but don’t be discouraged in the future. It will all make sense and you will have a great time.
I love your analysis. Definitely my favourite Buffy reactor.
Some great great reads on what we've seen so far. Too scared of spoilers to say more.
As far as drug withdrawal, I notice my anxiety meds day of if I missed it. I'm sure his drug cocktail was much more intense.
16:46 I am convinced that I'm the only human being that fully understood what they were going for in this scene. No reactor ever picks up on it and no comment ever calls attention to it.
Edit: Hmm.. based on what Cass said 5 minutes later about Willow/Tara's way of speaking, maybe she understood that scene better than I thought.
Why did Tara do that? To answer that would be spoilers. All I can say is that you'll have to wait awhile to find out.
Just wait till season 4 & 5! Some of the best, and most emotional, episodes in all of television!
Your videos are the highlights of my week ❤❤❤
I never got it before, but Spikes head at the corpse's feet is a thing. In medieval times it was not uncommon to cut off the head of suspected vampires and burry them with the head at the bodies feet. This was done as a means of preventing them from reanimating after burial.
Can't wait for the next 2.
Goodbye Iowa a very average episode, but sets up the later half of S4 now we have established that Walsh was planning something very sinister with her creation Adam, and not only experimenting on the HSTs, but also the Commandos of The Initiative, as Riley is having symptoms of poisoning. Some great little comedy moments with Xander again, and of course to homage to the original Frankenstein when Adam meets the child.
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Totally agree with what you said Cass insofar as having a special attachment to programs one watches in childhood. Same is true for movies and music as well.
Adam is also probably a reference to Frankensteins monster since he is sometimes called that. I tried to find where and how though but didn't find anything lol.
Frankenstein's creation (which has no actual name and is never given one) turns to Frankenstein and say's, "I aught to be your Adam." A reference to Frankenstein using science to make himself into god by creating life. Some confuse this to mean that the creation is named Adam, but it is not. It should be noted that in the story, the creation is not the monster in the story, rather Frankenstein himself is the monster. Another thing that gets confused in pop culture.
I see you’re very confused about how Adam could possibly be the only antagonist of the rest of S4. All I’m gonna say is this season suffered quite a lot from behind the scenes issues with actors leaving etc. The main Initiative plot isn’t anyone’s favorite but the monster of the week episodes make the season, and good ones will keep coming!!
Tara lives in the dorm.
Frankenstein's creation could speak in the books. It was intelligent. It's speech was taken away in the first movie that was made, and that became a thing for it ever since in pop culture. But it did speak in the book.
Possible Spoiler....
Adams true human identity is never confirmed in the show. However there have been comments by show creators and writers that Adam was supposed to be the remains of Dr. Walsh's biological son, who was a military soldier killed in action, as a result of a possible demon attack or discovery. This season went through a lot of changes and rewrites so now there isn't a man among us who knows.
At this point Joss didn't know what Tara's deal is. He thought he knew, but he was wrong.
> [Adam, like the bible?]
I was thinking Adam is like Frankenstein's monster, who says "I ought to be thy Adam", which is a reference to the bible.
So yes, an indirect biblical reference _via_ Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.
Yeah they would NEVER make someone who is/you think is a good guy turn bad....I mean, Ford, angel, faith
Oh, I thought falling in love part has happened for you earlier. Better late than never I guess aha.
This is why the sitcom Soap (1977-1971) was so ahead of its time. Billy Crystal played a main character who was fat, and at one point dating a closeted professional athlete (I think football), which is still a place very unacceptable of gay people.
American James Marsters putting on a fake American accent is always fun.
xander i
Your doggie is so cute 🥰
Only one person lol. Forest has clearly never staked a vamp or he would know you can stake them woth virtually no effort. One quick light jab straing through the breast bone lol.
30:22 best part
If I remember correctly, "Adam" is a word that means "man".
"There's Larry who's gay and living his best life" Well other than being dead sure.
The drugs had nothing to do with controlling them. That's what basic training is for.
And continuous propaganda.
Forest doesn't have a yearning for power; he has a yearning for Riley!
I don't think it is that. I think he is supposed to represent a "bros before hos" frat guy.
I agree, he's totally in love with Riley. That's jealousy all the way!
@@davepicardo1605yes, agreed, I get the bros before hos energy from Forest. The misogyny is strong with that one. Not saying it's impossible he's gay, but I don't think that's what's being depicted.
@@davepicardo1605sometimes what the writer intends on the page is different from what comes out on the screen. And we can enjoy it on both levels.
So far it’s only open to what the viewer feels. BTVS is very good at believing the audience is smart and is able to follow and create logical and plausible explanations and conclusions. Not everything has to be tied up and concluded instantly .
The thing about Tara is [ REDACTED ].
18:45 These are black ops people, you cna't be too paranoid when dealing with them.
It's not ordinary nostalgia, it's a true case of 'everything was better in the past'. Good writing stands the test of time and on current shows, one can find decent special effects, but only pretty one dimensional characteres and predictable storylines. The content quality goes south, since while the quantity exploded in the streaming era, the number of talented writers and/or the will to take a risk by the services didn't increase. There other factors as well, but i think one can get the idea from the stuff above.
Almost certainly not the first! but Frankenstein's Monster was actually pretty articulate
i think a military guy / scientist would make a nice will they won't they
I can't wait for you to get to season 5. You're liable to 💩 yourself in the first episode alone
14:08 - 14:17 I've watched enough episodes of"Law&Order-SVU"to know that different weapons leave different marks and different materials on the victim and I'm 100% *sure* a wooden stake wouldn't leave the same mark of a polgara's stake and it would leave wooden traces,which I'm sure a polgara's stake wouldn't leave. So what I'm trying to say is...fuck you,Forrest, you're an incompetent idiot!😤
16:18 - 16:45 *YES!* 😠 16:46 - 16:57 😄🤍❤ 21:05 - 21:31 😶 22:12 - 22:15 *HEY!!!>:-O* DON'T TOUCH MY WILLOW!!!!
26:34 - 26:53 Oh,so _that's_ why he stuck with the Scoobies instead of just keep fighting random demons for fun. I didn't remember that. Still...why didn't he leave Sunnydale to look for someone who could take the chip out of him?🤔
These last few episodes is where I'm like, "Why is Buffy not killing Spike?"
I know all the meta reasons why, but story wise it makes zero sense. They don't need him for intel, he's still openly hostile to the group, and even with the chip he is still a highly dangerous and evil monster, yet here he is just hanging out at Giles' place being a snarky ass, like he's one of the gang. I do like the character but his role in the show at this point is beyond dumb.
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21:29 You’ll find out why Tara did that… much later lol. They really played the long game with that one which is so cool. I love it when the Buffy people do that. It’s yet another reason it’s the best TV show ever.
willow is bisexual she hid it well MISS U Angel and cordy
Forrest is definitely a Misogynist. Which is why he didn't like Buffy. We see this is other parts too. He objectified Buffy before Riley started to date her, he laughed at Parkers toilet joke about women. Feeling replaced by a woman despite it meaning he got his own command...
don’t worry about Tara… trust in Joss Whedon 🫶🏻