Newsnight archives (1980) - Relatives of Yorkshire Ripper victims speak out
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- This report aired on 27 November 1980 and is part of the Newsnight Archives series. Relatives of the victims of the Yorkshire Ripper speak movingly in this report from Martin Young. Peter Sutcliffe was arrested and convicted the next year. Let us know what you'd like us to upload next in the comments below * SUBSCRIBE to get our latest videos bbc.in/1iouM30 *
Mothers.
Daughters.
Sisters.
Cousins.
Aunties.
friends
& wives.
RIP. 💐
I really appreciate these old videos of the victims families. It shows that they will never be forgotten. 🌼🕯
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Cops who interviewed the guilty man nine times and still couldn't catch the ripper threaten to arrest women who arm to defend themselves. Says a lot about the male attitude toward women in Yorkshire at that time.
Sutcliffe was cleared 9 times, he was never a suspect. They had up to 40 men under surveillance , but never Peter Sutcliffe.
Notice NO family members from prostitutes who were killed because they were seen as 'worthless' or wouldn't resonate with the public. So sad. They were all victims regardless whether they were 'respectable' or not.
Very true. All victims ought to be remembered and when justice was served it was in their memory as well. God rest the soul of all victims of all killers like this 'man' if he is to be called a man.
I remember hearing the news that he had been caught and I was filled with a sense of relief - despite being about 11 and living nowhere near Yorkshire!
I was 9 and on hearing a comparison with Jack The Ripper on the TV... had wrongly assumed this was happening in London... And was quite anxious to visit my Grandad in London...
I was the same. I was 8 and in Glasgow.
@7:57 "Archives of Pain"
I could almost hear Nicky Wires rumbling bass line in the background as she spoke
watched this all the way through for the first time, got chills when i finally heard it in context. gut wrenching.
Tysm
Very powerful, and quite apt this was screened not too long before Sutcliffe was caught.
Sidenote: the Manic Street Preachers sampled Irene McDonald's end words for their song Archives of Pain (from 1994's 'The Holy Bible').
I always wondered where they got that from until I saw this
What last words?
@@davenolan3082 Go to 8:02.
Victims remembered😢
Very powerful and telling
Hopefully now his victims families have some kind of justice
2:24 ' Jayne was innocent, too' ALL the women murdered in this case were innocent.......interesting that the programmers did not bother to contact relatives of the murdered sex workers, only families of the 'innocent' women. In interviews, bureaucrats and police, who botched this investigation from the start, in all the documentaries about Sutcliffe, barely hide their contempt for the women. In one, a dying mother of seven, chronically in pain, was referred to as 'an old bag' by one of the detectives.
maureen long was my step sisters grandma
Reflective of the appalling views that much of the public had in those days. Many restaurants and cafes in the 1970s barred women from entering unaccompanied after a certain time of night because the assumption was that they were prostitutes. Many bars also forbade women from standing at the bar unaccompanied - again, the assumption was that they were prostitutes looking for business. Women who went out by themselves at night were similarly suspect. Absolutely unbelievable with hindsight. some older people talk as if it were a golden era back then - it absolutely wasn't. A very large number of people had incredibly nasty social views.
@@zeddeka no time for sweeping and frankly silly judgements.. society was undoubtedly more peaceful and with this homogeneity.. you should also remember at least become aware that in 2021 most women want family and simple life.. those who don't have it regret it.. going out on the piss looses it's appeal beyond 21.. if not before..
@@athelstan927 no time for sweeping statements.......goes on to make sweeping statements
@@sturdeehouse if so, is the point invalid?
this is good, as too many idiots make tribute videos to serial killers, without giving the victims any thought.
Yeah THINK ITS pretty Sicko s Who THINK Sutcliffe is Super hero
@@chrisroger8774 Lots of them are online. Mainly in the USA, where men and women seem to dislike each other more than Europe. Like the USA man who was banned from entering many European countries for making websites encouraging men rape and abuse women when going travelling. Then all the Incels who are angry women have rights to not sleep with men who spend their time online swearing at women. Don't know if it's connected to the mass mutilation of baby boys there for non medical reasons.
IF I know where Jane address I tell social services about tariq pay for Child maintenance he DNT pay for IT
Yes men are selfish Some of them
Most serial killers are very boring people apart from the killing, like Sutcliffe, Dennis Neilson also.
So sorry for these victims and victims relatives 💔❤
He would only have around 8 weeks of freedom left. The beast should've been culled on sight.
I didn't realise they did these kind of victim statements on television in those days. It seems very modern. It's quite powerful.
This was a very unique piece
Sutcliffe lived right around the corner behind my Dad's secondary school. The day he was caught, My Dad's Geography Teacher (Sutcliffe's Next Door Neighbour) came in late to my Dad's Geography Lesson due to the amount of Police cars that were littered all over the street. My Dad's Geography Teacher was under the impression that something horrible had happened to Sutcliffe.
maureen long the fist one that survived was my step sisters grandma
my nans friend got a lift in his truck and he dropped her off most days they works near clarks
it would be great if we could see full programmes from the ripper era.thanks
its on bbc radio news archives
R.I.P to all the victim's they were all in innocent and definitely didn't deserve die. And to those survivors who have been left scarred for life by his brutal actions. R.I.P. Soina McCann 🌷🌷🌷🌷😇😇😇
Martin Young was a much underrated reporter - fondly remembered
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He only had 5 weeks of freedom left. This was 27th November 1980 and he was caught by fluke on 2nd January 1981.
Mrs hiley was my teacher at lee mount school Halifax in 1979 the year her daughter was murdered
Did you know her daughter?
@@bubbazanetti9010 no josephines mother was my teacher at lee mount school in Halifax I was only 4 at the time of her murder
@@b.w.7588 yes I was too young to understand.I remember her being a very anxious teacher. she scared me a little bit but is was obviously because of what she was going through. I think she stayed on at lee mount school until she retired.I’m not sure if she’s still alive if she is she’ll definitely be in her 80s. It was awful what happened to her daughter.I don’t know how you even begin to get over something like that.
Did you know a boy called keith willis at lee mount at the same time 🤔
I've never understood the logic behind telling a serial killer they are a bad person, absolutely makes no sense, why would they care. This kind of emotional gibbering just feeds their ego, all they get is glory from watching the families in stress and misery, it fuels them to carry on. Even though we have come so far in understanding serial killers since 1980, some aspects are hard to shift. We use our feelings to relate to a killer that HAS no feelings. The only feelings they have, are the ones that spur them to KILL.
the conditions that allow serial predators to thrive, disparity, inequality, class hatred, ete, are very much alive now, so serial killers are probably still on the go now, as before
Yeah this was a completely foolish thing to broadcast. It would have made him feel amazing about his crimes and put him in the headspace to kill someone else
@@billjoe39 but they are not all killers.
@@coreyholloway6898 Shame they didn't approach it differently in the 70's. Never tell a psycho they are evil, it gets them excited.
@@halloweenville1 He didn't want to be told he was a coward, couldn't please a woman.
I simply can’t believe his wife didn’t suspect anything!!!!!
Blue Lady...
Exactly...he was interviewed so many times and the picture was a dead ringer for him. The cops were so focused on the voice of the tape it made them blind.
Perhaps she was in denial!
I think she was a bit scatty, not the sharpest knife etc and that was clearly shown with her response to Peters words to her via telephone when arrested and said to her 'Hello love, you know them women who have been killed, it was me...... I'm the Yorkshire Ripper' when she said
'Oh Peter...... what on earth have you gone and done something like that for'
As though he had just dropped a plate on the floor. I have no doubt she didn't know or even suspect him to be the ripper, and if she did find out I think she would have told the police. But, then again, who knows......
@@strictlycasual765 She gave at least one documented false alibi and the ripper claims there were many more.
Strangely no action was taken against her.
She had been diagnosed as schizophrenic some years earlier. Her state of mind was always suspect.
Thank god they got him.
Are you from Bradford jason
@@waynehigham6504yorks
Stumbled upon this video and googled Martin Young, the reporter, and found he died just a few days ago. Rest In Peace.
Peter Snow at the beginning of the clip is still with us.
2 months later he was caught
trouble was at this time the police were looking for someone with a geordie accent, so peter sutcliffes friends and family could not shop him to the police if they wanted to.the police should have payed more attention to the survivers of the ripper who heard a yorkshire accent and a bearded face
It wasn't even a geordie accent on that tape. Geordies are from Tyneside, not Wearside where Sunderland is. People from sunderland aren't geordies and their accent is different. Natives of Sunderland are known as 'Mackems'
@@zeddeka john humble, from castle town Sunderland. You are right, not a geordie but he was referred to as wearside jack.
Sutcliffe was a copycat killer. He did all the assaults which were mostly sexually motivated. His first murder was in Manchester, Jean Jordan, he battered her thirteen times on the head then pulled her into a double hedge where she lay hidden. He stole her handbag which police report says had fifteen pounds in it. Nine days later he was in his new home and having a house warming party with family and friends. He took his parents home and then drove back to Manchester and pulled Jean's body from the hedge and mutilated it. Five days later he returned again and threw her handbag there with a new fiver. It was issued AFTER the murder. This brought the police to his door. His family were questioned about the alibi. His brother Carl found his blood stained trousers hidden in his pad. Also the handbag. He told his other brother that Peter was the ripper. But he never told the police. He went on to get rich selling BS stories to the tabloids and documentary makers.
Harry Smelt had some real insight amongst these mostly working class people of the industrial North, his reckoning was that 'The Ripper' had a young wife or partner and he appealed directly to her. Against the thinking of the time but he was right.
Not so - pretty much everyone with any expertise had advised the police that this would be the case. The police had sought out a lot of advice from the FBI because of their experience with profiling serial killers and they said exactly the same.
@@zeddeka Show your evidence!
Working class people of the industrial north with insight, who would have thought it, how patronizing you are.
@@sturdeehouse Lol! Maybe! I live in the north and do an industrial job too.
Worse thing was .. he had a wife. He had been married several years.
And wife claimed even after his death. That he wasn't the murderer. Even after he finally confessed to her.
She thought the police had made him Confess to her.
But she did divorce him while he was in jail. But stupidly still lived in the home they shared. House is still standing. .
I think that his wife's neice lives their now. She's moved away from the area . But she still legally owns the house they shared.
The incompetence of the London police is astounding. Absolutely shameful but I'm glad they seem to have somewhat improved since.
I think you'll find it was the Yorkshire police that bungled this enquiry.
i can picture the ripper laughing his arse off at this at the time.
quite frustrating to watch as date wise not actually that far off capture but obviously they don't know that so they're all so naturally desperate for him to be caught. Also referencing the tapes and letters is frustrating as we have the benefit of hindsight.
The comedy central roast of Peter sutcliffe
This doesn't lie well with me. I have the almost sympathy for everyone involved. However the way they were addressing this unknown person was the way to give him even more satisfaction I
also think there is a measure of cruelty in parading these people like that.
7:58
You Manic Street Preacher ;)
It was inappropriate to start implicating the wufe who knew nothing as she was as shocked to hear it was him as rhe victims
Sickening how George oldfield wouldn’t take any evidence unless they had a Geordie accent ....
It was obviously him 3 years before.
Jason Lee..
The picture was a dead ringer for him...I just don't get it as he was interviewed so many times.
@@joyceb8407 they didn't realise that he was a copycat killer. They were focused on the ripper.
Being a serial killer has nothing to do with being good in bed? a lot of them are married, its like saying killer look wierd or like monsters, they look same as everyone else.....people who look really wierd are usually harmless....serial killers want to blend in...
Some of the things that was said if he was listening I imagine would have made him worse .
Ripper getting roasted
Peter's wife genuinely didn't know untill he told her after his arrest.
THINK ITS True Sonia Must have knew her Husband was murderer of Victims
warriorprince101010 yes he thinks Sonia knew Peter was the Ripper but also knew it wasn’t Jimmy Savile as you think.
@@darrenfield7060 think Sonia Must have known Peter was Mass murderer over 5 years period
Chris Roger 90% certain she knew
@@darrenfield7060 she gave many false alibis
maureen long was my step - sisters grandma 5:02
If truth be known he killed more than 13 more like 19 women, but the connection got over looked..
No he didn't.
@@ktkee7161 yes he did
9 seconds in says it all. To bad women you just have to be a victim. If you think for a second we care if your raped and killed think again because we are telling you... "you" can not arm and protect your selves you just have to submit to it. We will put "you" the innocent in the slammer for trying to save yourself from a brutal murderer.
WTF I am so glad I did not grow up in that country with this sick and twisted mindset that women can be preyed upon and can do nothing to save them selves. But hey it is ok because men say so.
Don't be so fucking stupid...
At the time there was Britains most evil killer on the loose, people knew that anywhere in Yorkshire or Manchester made you at risk. That doesn't condone breaking the law yourself. It's very black and white, the ripper only went for women so we needed to keep women safe. The only way to do so was to catch him, which was incredibly unlucky that he wasn't caught sooner. If Sutcliffe was to do it 10 years after when they installed all the evidence of every suspect onto a computer, he'd of been caught as he was previously charged with violence with a hammer (one of a number of reasons why after Jayne MacDonald's murder he'd of been caught). Women simply had to stay inside during the night and early mornings. I can understand why that would've been hard but surely the risk of being killed was too great to risk going out unattended. Of course since then laws have changed but still having a knife in public isn't allowed, if you get into said situation it was well documented he hit on the back of the head to prevent people running and screaming (it'd knock them unconscious) so even if you did carry a knife It'd be pointless and look even more suspicious if your body was found with a weapon with you.
Idiot they would say the same now. Vigilantism is illegal do you expect the police to openly support breaking the law. And to say “back then” as if police would encourage it now shows how ignorant uou millennials are!!
He was caught five weeks after this . Even at this late stage of the investigation it was telling how the infamous 'Geordie tape' was still viewed as being genuine by the police and victims families . It was such a distraction . In the end of course it wasn't detective work that got him but procedures put in place to check number plates of vehicles in red light areas , and a large slice of luck.
where is the mother of josephine ann withaker,can somebody tell me?
I think it's the couple before Maureen Long
Thanks,but i don't heard the name Withaker...
I seem to recall reading that Josephine took her grandmother's name or something.
04:35 Avril Hiley, people remarry.
Aiden hiley and Avril hiley is Josephine's parents her mother remarried
Very stoical people, I'm not from West Yorkshire but I am familiar with the accents spoken by the people on the video, but the accents seem quite dated even though this was filmed within my lifetime.
Not really, I grew up in Leeds in the 90s and remember hearing those exact accents & dialects still going strong in the market & east Leeds. To be fair you’ll still get it now on some council estates but of course by older foll
So many of the people on here would have been born in the 1920s or so - very much an older generation who are no longer with us. Interesting how accents change over time.
I remember him being caught. it was really cold 🥶 winter's day with snow ❄ everywhere. such a sad ending to 13 women's lives and those they left behind.
Fucking hell snow that fucking wig ur wearing is fuckin terrible
Jimmy savile did it.
i heard this before, is that you, peter sutcliffe?
And he died on my birthday today 🤣🤣
Happy Birthday Jack. Mine was on the 12th...damn lol
@@clarealdam6358 Who cares when your birthday is?
@@zeddeka Me and thanks for trolling x
Jack the ripper?
Jason Lee The Yorkshire Ripper. I remember when I was only a teenager he was killing women. Someone sent a tape to the police and they thought it was really him. They wasted a lot of time looking for someone with a Geordie accent because of the tapes. He was pretending to be the ripper but it wasn't him,
@@Luvmypets123 it was a Mackem accent not a Geordie accent.
RIP Sutcliffe. So sad.
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@@JimmyjimmyJimmyjimmy-ih3yd lol
@@JimmyjimmyJimmyjimmy-ih3yd He can finally meet his victims in heaven with total forgiveness.
@@tomwest1014 pathetic
@@BenS-eu4es lol
bad wig
Time stamp?
Looks like a skit from The Day Today or Brass Eye.
Will Scarlett you don’t think these people who have suffered so much real horror deserve to have their day? You haven’t the imagination or the will to empathise with them? Only to make facetious remarks pertaining to a satire? You think these people are more worthy of being targets of parody and mockery in your mind instead of understanding?
Will? you sound like a prick already.
Northerners ..............?........🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
What? Fucking dick.
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