I got dropping the key part down, but everything else was just revelations to me. Using two keys at the same time? Of course! Making sure the snare is at different frequency to toms? Whaaaat! Cutting the outer snares off because they cause sympathetic resonance the most? Mind-blown! And I've only been at the instrument for 26 years. Gavin.
Man I wish I wish I wish that I had this kind of free teaching vids when I was younger. how inspired I would of been. I had to save $35 dollars on a VHS tape that hardly show as much as what is here free
One thing that works really well for me is to turn the entire drum, instead of the two keys. It's easier to show than to explain, but it helps turning both keys exactly the same.
@KaatjedeKip for example if you tuned your drums to pitches and you had the snare at an A then you wouldn't probably tune the heads on the toms to G, A or B
I was under the impression that once you get the snare sound you want, never compromise it, change the pitch of the tom tom that is making it buzz. Is this a better technique? I know it's not necessarily easier. I am sooo picky about mty snare sound that once I get it I hate to change it.
You don't have a lot of notes on wich you can tune the snare. With an Ambassador or an Aquarian modern vintage (best and more lasting), I tune the snare on a D (F for the bottom head). Db is fatter, Eb too tight, C way too low. I tune my toms (very resonant) on any note but D or F to make an open chord and don't have buzz problems. But it also depends of the drums. An hybrid Yamaha makes nearly no buzz at all (I'd say not enough), cause the sound is very controlled. Not my favorite.
what is your opinion on snare drums that are made out of metal and not wood? for the most part metal snare drums sound different, you can tune them the same correct?
Of course, tuning is tuning. Unless you have a unique tuning system that doesn't exist in the market, you can tune your drum the same exact way you would tune a wooden snare drum. :) Hope that helped, even tho it's a bit late..
Rather than PUSHING in the center of the head and changing the pitch, try only touching lightly there, to get the first harmonic (like a 12th fret harmonic on guitars). Do this to check for differing pitches at opposing lugs. If changing the pitch at a specific tension rod, that seems out of whack, isn't clearing the head, the opposite one is often the culprit. "Don't Push" - Good, good vibes, they keep on playin'... Playin'.
@5drum5 Lol were you trying to reply to me? You replied to yourself. Nice one. Anyways, John Good is great at tuning as well, and no, I'm not a jackass. That's a completely irrelevant idea to this video. John Good has great philosophies on tuning, but Gavin also has a method that works for him, and that's what matters.
Everyone should be careful when taping the head with a drum key like he does. If your not careful you can really damage your bearing edge on the shell when the key taps it, just a quick tip
@janenkooow Anyone who claims that you shouldn't tap the drum head with the drum key is clearly uneducated. Yes, you will damage the drum if you tap the drum with a drum key, that is, if you tap it on the bearing edge. It doesn't really matter what you use, you will damage the drum that way. Tap the head so inches from the edge like you should and it doesn't matter what you use.
Kinda disappointed to not see him pressing in the center to help seat the head. Done prior to keys/during finger tighten? It's crucial. Using the 'seat' method my heads are easier to tune and stay in tune better thoughout playing
no tune bot here! you have to remember that recorded drums sound way different than live drums. I was always trying to get that sound that you hear on the record, but then I found out that's impossible. I tried the duct tape on the heads and the pillows and blankets in the kick and moon gels on cymbals? then I watched very closely how the top drummers set up and now my drums sound like drums. I have to get the sound out of the drum and if it's all muffled with tape and pillows I'll never get that sound. sometimes in the studio minimal muffling may be required, but playing live I use no muffling whatsoever. I thank Evans for emad drumheads.
@5drum5 Never once have I heard a pro say not to use a drumstick. In fact, a drumstick is the best thing to use. As far as using a drum key goes, you are right in the fact that most pros do say not to use one. Although pros do say this, they are wrong. The fact of the matter is that the drum key does not do any type of damage to the drum. Next time you want to call someone a jackass, make sure you can back up what you are talking about.
So I wonder what he means by pitch the snare away from the toms? Like, Higher? How high should you go? Lower? How low? In between the first two? right in between, or a 3rd... what are those two? lol What does pitch the snare away from the toms mean.
Id say playing at his level he tunes his pitch to whatever hes playing. And he means that if the pitch is too close to his Tom's, when he plays his Tom's it's causes his snare to have resonance and you hear that snare buzz (sympathetic snare)
That doesn't make sense. He's not hitting the rim or anything. He's just tapping it lightly to release a tone. Drum keys don't have any "tone-killing" powers. That's just ridiculous.
@Jorge Lopez I know,I was hesitant to say anything. So is David Weckl and he did the same thing, until he found his heads were getting dented. Maybe is because this one is coated? No criticism, just more information. Thanks!
Weckl was more concerned with denting the bearing edge rather than the skin, which is why he told people to not tap the edge with a key to check for pitch of each lug.
It looks like he's about to punch the cameraman in the face in the beginning.
Pure hate in those eyes
Maybe 😂😂😂
I got dropping the key part down, but everything else was just revelations to me. Using two keys at the same time? Of course! Making sure the snare is at different frequency to toms? Whaaaat! Cutting the outer snares off because they cause sympathetic resonance the most? Mind-blown! And I've only been at the instrument for 26 years. Gavin.
That's his trick, I knew it! Drop they key and you will have excelent results :)
LOL YA
Gavin always have an amazing sounding snare drum.
Gavin is the man, saw KC back in Oct 2017 and he stole the show in the last few minutes, absolutely stole it !
"Sympathetic Snarebuzz" is a great band name
Man I didn’t expect to see you here!😂
@@nekow1785 Hi there, man! We meet again at a drum video! 😃 Awesome to see that you like Gavin 😇
@@SmugSuspenders Oh yeah! Good to see you! I love Gavin, he’s one of my favorite drummers, been studying him recently 😅
Man I wish I wish I wish that I had this kind of free teaching vids when I was younger. how inspired I would of been. I had to save $35 dollars on a VHS tape that hardly show as much as what is here free
One thing that works really well for me is to turn the entire drum, instead of the two keys. It's easier to show than to explain, but it helps turning both keys exactly the same.
0:09 The only mistake I've ever seen him make.
😂
Yeah, this is a good one. I have been tuning my snares like this most of the time. It works best for me.
How come even though I'm a bass player I still enjoy watching this ?
Gavin for president!
This is exactly what I needed to learn today! Thank you!
i'm not a drummer and i never seen this process, it's fascinating..
the sound of the metal is so orgasmic!!!
I love that 12" snare he uses, I've gone to a 13"...
he says, "hi there, we are in dublin, it's june the 'sikth'". Sikth is also an amazing metal band (imo) from the UK (Y)
@GonzoDrummer27
hahaha, that's exactly why I tuned in!!!! I wonder if he does the same approach with his toms. His tom sound is gorgeous as well.
It was explained in a recent video by the drum channel Artofdrumming. It was so beneficial when I tried to tune that way which Gavin does
I agree with everything he’s said but using those PureSound blue snare cables. They can cut into the snare beds. Use proper snare cord or ribbon.
@GregoMorgan because gavin is not just a great player, but a teacher and person too.and also very enthusiastic
@TheMakyoura You notice that he dropped it rhythmically, though. ;)
Gavin you rock and you look tired
@KaatjedeKip for example if you tuned your drums to pitches and you had the snare at an A then you wouldn't probably tune the heads on the toms to G, A or B
He always looks so tired lol
He's a hard working man
I was under the impression that once you get the snare sound you want, never compromise it, change the pitch of the tom tom that is making it buzz. Is this a better technique? I know it's not necessarily easier. I am sooo picky about mty snare sound that once I get it I hate to change it.
You don't have a lot of notes on wich you can tune the snare. With an Ambassador or an Aquarian modern vintage (best and more lasting), I tune the snare on a D (F for the bottom head). Db is fatter, Eb too tight, C way too low.
I tune my toms (very resonant) on any note but D or F to make an open chord and don't have buzz problems. But it also depends of the drums. An hybrid Yamaha makes nearly no buzz at all (I'd say not enough), cause the sound is very controlled. Not my favorite.
Remo CS Snare. You can buy black dot on top, black dot reverse and white dot aswell
what is your opinion on snare drums that are made out of metal and not wood? for the most part metal snare drums sound different, you can tune them the same correct?
Of course, tuning is tuning. Unless you have a unique tuning system that doesn't exist in the market, you can tune your drum the same exact way you would tune a wooden snare drum. :) Hope that helped, even tho it's a bit late..
BRILLIANT!
Thé best drummer of the World
Rather than PUSHING in the center of the head and changing the pitch, try only touching lightly there, to get the first harmonic (like a 12th fret harmonic on guitars). Do this to check for differing pitches at opposing lugs. If changing the pitch at a specific tension rod, that seems out of whack, isn't clearing the head, the opposite one is often the culprit. "Don't Push" - Good, good vibes, they keep on playin'... Playin'.
June 6th, unfortunately it was a day when I didn't go to XMusic, look what I missed out on!
@krombee Thanks! I understood what he meant right after I asked the question, but thanks anyway :-)
What snare drum is this?
What does he mean with 'that the pitch of this is away from the toms'?
He usually pitches his snare in between the pitches of his 8" and 10" toms. I do the same and it sounds great. Give it a try!
JUNE THE SIKTH???
And that's todays top tip. Tiptop.
Haha I did a little research since I posted that comment and found out. Sounds great it might just be my next snare head :P
Didn't know that sympathetic tom/ snare buzz thing. Interesting.
Anyone knows what snare head is that???
Great tip!
@5drum5 Lol were you trying to reply to me? You replied to yourself. Nice one. Anyways, John Good is great at tuning as well, and no, I'm not a jackass. That's a completely irrelevant idea to this video. John Good has great philosophies on tuning, but Gavin also has a method that works for him, and that's what matters.
GENIUS
The eight snare wires is clever
Everyone should be careful when taping the head with a drum key like he does. If your not careful you can really damage your bearing edge on the shell when the key taps it, just a quick tip
@janenkooow What? Why on earth do you think it matters? I've been tuning drums for over 26 years, and always have used my key to tune them...
@janenkooow Anyone who claims that you shouldn't tap the drum head with the drum key is clearly uneducated. Yes, you will damage the drum if you tap the drum with a drum key, that is, if you tap it on the bearing edge. It doesn't really matter what you use, you will damage the drum that way. Tap the head so inches from the edge like you should and it doesn't matter what you use.
Kinda disappointed to not see him pressing in the center to help seat the head. Done prior to keys/during finger tighten? It's crucial. Using the 'seat' method my heads are easier to tune and stay in tune better thoughout playing
no tune bot here! you have to remember that recorded
drums sound way different than live drums. I was always
trying to get that sound that you hear on the record, but
then I found out that's impossible. I tried the duct tape on
the heads and the pillows and blankets in the kick and
moon gels on cymbals? then I watched very closely how
the top drummers set up and now my drums sound like
drums. I have to get the sound out of the drum and if it's
all muffled with tape and pillows I'll never get that sound.
sometimes in the studio minimal muffling may be required,
but playing live I use no muffling whatsoever. I thank Evans
for emad drumheads.
do any of you guys know how he tunes his reso head? please respond :)
Always tune the bottom head to a higher pitch.
The same technique can be applied
@5drum5 Never once have I heard a pro say not to use a drumstick. In fact, a drumstick is the best thing to use. As far as using a drum key goes, you are right in the fact that most pros do say not to use one. Although pros do say this, they are wrong. The fact of the matter is that the drum key does not do any type of damage to the drum. Next time you want to call someone a jackass, make sure you can back up what you are talking about.
It's a Remo coated reverse-dot head
Quanto amo quel rullante
It sounded like the twilight zone theme the first time he taps around the head at :51
LOL xP
Should have tuned the bottom head as well.
It’s probably the most important..
@XxStrongDrums1996xX two inches*
two keys? interesting... sounds practical
Sonor Amboina 7x13
I always drop the freakin key!>:0
Can he just teach me drums. Out on the road with Porcupine Tree, It'll be awesome!
June the SIKTH
So I wonder what he means by pitch the snare away from the toms?
Like, Higher? How high should you go? Lower? How low? In between the first two? right in between, or a 3rd... what are those two? lol
What does pitch the snare away from the toms mean.
Id say playing at his level he tunes his pitch to whatever hes playing. And he means that if the pitch is too close to his Tom's, when he plays his Tom's it's causes his snare to have resonance and you hear that snare buzz (sympathetic snare)
13"x7"
sixth he said
nothing about the bottom head?
Same technique but always higher in pitch
That dry sarcasm
That doesn't make sense. He's not hitting the rim or anything. He's just tapping it lightly to release a tone. Drum keys don't have any "tone-killing" powers. That's just ridiculous.
Tip 2, DON'T hit the head with a key. At least according to what Weckl says.
he's a proffesional mate
@Jorge Lopez I know,I was hesitant to say anything.
So is David Weckl and he did the same thing, until he found his heads were getting dented. Maybe is because this one is coated? No criticism, just more information.
Thanks!
***** It was just a joke about him accidentally dropping the key.
fuzzylogiceire Ahh, ok.
Weckl was more concerned with denting the bearing edge rather than the skin, which is why he told people to not tap the edge with a key to check for pitch of each lug.
sonor amboina snare drum. 7x13. and yes that bastard cost 1200 dollars.
It's a
Do you think he knows how to smile? Thanks for the tip though.
Jet lag lol
Tune some really cheap snare yoo!!!!!
don't ever tap on your drum with jour key
Wow something new - pitch away from toms. Thank you
first don't drop the key
first don't drop the key funny.
stoner
don't hit the head with the key! it takes away the tone of the drum!
That's stupid.