90's ANT-MAN kills Avengers | Marvel's What if?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2021
- Hank Pym aka OLD ANTMAN kills the avengers before their assemble and except for both "captain"
captain America and captain Marvel.
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When you think about it, technically he CAN kill everyone and get away with them scot-free.
Even better, Hank can do it Scott-free
I WAS JUST ABOUT SAY THAT HAYSGDUUFUDJENNDDLS
No, he can't. Some cels are to strong to be demaged from inside.. but he can easaly kill any normal humans.
haha scott free
@@tennke205 I was gonna make the same joke but I was too late
One thing I really appreciate from this episode is how they acknowledged that The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor all took place nearly simultaneously and within just one week.
POV you live in this world at that time 👁👄👁
@@noahlee0wdym? That's irrelevant to this comment
Marvel kind of forgot that all of those 3 movies happened in a week, They only recently acknowledged it again
@@jesusramirezromo2037 ohh ok
The ending of Captain America also happened in that time. Fury ending his week by welcoming the First Avenger to the 21st century.
Hulks death is really uncomfortable to watch. His cells kept him alive, but Hank made his heart and cells grow so much faster it probably made him feel nothing and everything all at once.
Yeah probably most Painless death of all Heroes
That was hilarious ngl
@@Bully_who_made_goblin_Jr_cry yeah bully maguaire 😂
@@moviemaniac8482 I also view it as the fact his blood swelled as well
@@jackmack4181 exactly 💯
Shows that Pym Particals are very powerful when it comes to offense and defense.
Ikr but it’s clear-cut that the current antman wasn’t that smart
Wouldn't of killed hulk
yup, that's why in the first antman movie, they were trying to sell it to the highest bidders to militarize the technology
Take away Scott Langs daughter and. I bet he could go this way.
@@Jerryjustjerry it's not just that Scott isn't as adept as Hank, but it's also because shrinking tech is far more dangerous in the hands of someone who uses it for malicious intents
This episode gave a big reality check to all those people who have been saying that shrinking is a useless superpower all these years
No one saying it’s useless. It’s just not the coolest. 💀
It is kinda though
Depends honestly, Ant-Man did not just shrink but enlarge as well.
This and jigen
@@KingD24 ?
This really shows how high-stakes the plot of Ant-Man was, because if Darren Cross won, this would have been the reality.
Truly
Except 10 times worse seeing that THOUSANDS of yellow jackets would've been causing chaos.
Facts
Agreed
@The Solitary Lad How though, Scott and others stopped him.
The fact the Hanks suit could withstand the high amounts of radiation while in the hulks blood is impressive.
When you want something done in your fictional world, you will try to do everything to make it seem like coherent, but bad writers will just take any coherence even when thought throughout, isn't. And that is the principal problem with marver and dc writers, especially dc.
@@robertoaltuve4145 It probably couldn't withstand that radiation. Hank was not looking at longterm goals anymore. All of his plans would be wrapped up within a week or so. If he dies of radiation poisoning a week after that, I doubt he cared.
Huh now I'm curious to know just how radioactive Hulk's blood is as that can determine how long Hank has before he dies from radiation poisoning. Could be a few weeks or even a few hours.
I doubt that even came in mind
Given what else the suit can withstand in the MCU... Why not right? Lol
It was me, Fury. I shrank myself and killed the Avengers so you wouldn't be able to assemble them.
that's a *BIG BRAIN move 💢
“I turned myself into a pickle. It’s the funniest shit the world’s ever seen!”
Kono fury da
@@thegrapethief5514 every time someone references that joke sarcastically, it says a lot about that person. First that they're a sheep who follows crowd opinions and secondly, either they haven't seen the show or they're too stupid to understand the joke within the context.
The joke absolutely wasn't the simple fact that he turned himself into a pickle.
@@TheSCPStudio to be fair, you must have a high iq to understand rick and morty😂😂😂
The Hulk scene proves that the theory of Ant-Man going into Thanos’ butt and getting big would actually work.
It also makes me wonder how easy would be for someone like the Hank, Hope, or Scott to go into someone’s ear then eventually go up to their brain and punch it or rattle it. Maybe cause a concussion? If we want to get darker like this episode, throw an enlarging disc at the brain, causing it pop.
@@theomnigamer9177 this is literally how hawkeye died.
@@alpha7even928 True. I suppose I blanked during the Hawkeye bit when I was typing, even though he is one of my favourite Avengers. Also could Hank just take his altoid tin with him shrink it, and unleash the ants in someones body? What a horrible way to die.
They wouldn't even need I hope to enter through, as shown if a suit can fly, you can fly fast enough to penetrate someone's skin such as a bullet.
No it doesn't
I've known Hank Pym for a long time he's no security risk unless we make him one
-Howard Stark
That was what I thought of. "He just kicked your ass full sized, want to find out what it's like when you can't see him coming?"
Who is Howard Stark, is he like the brother of Tony Stark AKA Iron Man?
@@gilbertoroo6451 Tony stark is son of Ned stark and Howard stark is son of Benjen Stark , Benjen and Ned stark is brother so they're cousin
@@gilbertoroo6451 Tony's father
@@jhieindra 💀💀
Crazy how 4 or probably 3 out of the 6 avengers could've easily defended themselves had they not been attacked at a bad moment. Hank is a smart bastard.
Iron man: obviously Hank still has many openings in the suits he can get into especially the old ones, but I'm sure iron man has got some targeting system to avoid getting him too close, especially if Falcon has one he can fight Scott with.
Thor: obviously if Hank hadn't caught him at a bad time, having his power taken and all, Hank probably wouldn't have even tried and if he did it would end up like the Loki fight.
Hulk: this is a tough one to think, Hank went inside him to put the enlarging ray in him when he was BRUCE BANNER, the HULK would be tougher or impossible to get inside to and the problem is that we can't find a good reason for Bruce to hulk out to avoid dying. P.s I don't want angry hulk fans say that hulk would've healed from that death regardless.
Captain America: he didn't get attacked by Hank, let alone have a major appearance in this episode. But in civil war, he's able to throw the shrunken oil truck at the shrinking disc Scott threw, showing that his eyesight is really good and that's an understatement, he probably could slap Hank out of the air, same way Loki did. What happened in episode 5 with Steve getting infected was just bad writing.
Wiggly Wichty man!
@@chichinpreston1847 HEAD JUICE!
How hulk could have healed from death?
@@mattquellobello I've heard that hulk has healed from a single blood drop, obviously we don't see what remains of hulk after he explodes, but either way I don't really care since I'm not that huge of a hulk fan.
@@Smiley0.1 I think the problem with hulks regeneration is that he would form around the surviving object but since his heart (and the rest of his body for that matter) was enlarged it would be a continuous unstable regeneration. It would would be like trying to wrap one hand around a tree trunk but being stuck in that action until you succeed. Alternatively, like hugging a bear as if your life depended on it. Which it does
His dna or "stored data" is telling his body that he needs to be this size but since his heart is still intact and big it just keeps pumping out more regenerated blood than his body can handle
So you’re telling me that if Hank Pym was still Ant Man during Infinity War, he DEFINITELY would’ve gone up Thanos’ ass.
Thats what im getting from this, he could probably take out all the avengers by spreading some cheeks
Too bad he coudn't use the siut anny more. Compared to Scot He's an absolut genouis and a posible danger if they threw in his personality isues. That would have a major efect on the mcu Avengets for good or bad. @@username172
If the Hulk actually blew up, wouldn't that practically be the equivalent of a nuclear bomb going off?
Since he shot his heart I think he actually enlarged his blood and the molecules ended up so distant from each other that it all turned into gas, which is pretty disturbing
@@meunomeelucas8489 ^ this. Hulk can regenerate. But when your cells can’t communicate then they’re dead and useless. He just essentially vaporized him.
@@user-rs9bc4qr2s Nah, I don't buy that.
For the simple reason that if it was THAT easy would hulk have died waaaay more often.
Hulk is near invulnerable.
@@tnecniw well it’s not easy, Pims the only one to make pim particles properly.
More like an extremely potent dirty bomb, but a bomb no less, even if chemical rather than explosive...
Everyone talks about hulk's death but honestly to me the most disturbing one is Tony's
It's just like a heart attack
@@legogeneralgrievous4218 a heart attack that happened so casually, it hits harder considering we already saw this scene play out in a mainly jokey way with iron man 2, here it's kind of uncanny and unnerving
I don’t get how he really dies tho
@@angryboi595 I think little pieces of shrapnel from the needle breaking ended up going into his heart because Hank broke the needle
I’m not gonna lie when I watched it I kind of threw up
This episode really makes you appreciate that Ant Man is with the avengers. Otherwise, it's a literal bloodbath, but without the blood.
So a....bath?
I do like how instead of just saying it was Hank Pym, Black Widow takes her one opportunity to just keep ranting about "Hope, it's all about Hope!" She just keeps saying the only name involved that is also a word with it's own meaning, so she could leave it vague for the audience. Very considerate for the people trying to figure things out on their own at home.
I heard hulk the first time I watched it
I'm baffled by how stupid this comment is
@@madminer8041 What are you talking about? It’s not stupid at all.
@@4477superman it's so surface level and basic, there's nothing smart about it at all
@@madminer8041
1. No need to be toxic
2. Stop acting like your Albert Einstein, it isn’t “basic”
3. It’s not like he was trying to insult you why are you so insulted
My 2nd favourite episode, Hulk's death was horrifying 😥... So excited for tomorrow's episode!
Zombies One na?
@@moviemaniac8482 No the Doctor Strange episode is my fav, the zombies episode was okay.
I don't know about you guys but I think the writers had a blast putting the Hulk's death together
did you watch the next episode?
It was also bad writing since that couldn’t actually happen to comic hulk
Honestly, Hulk’s death was actually a pretty smart way to kill him.
"What did we just do _for_ you?"
Tony literally dying:
the way you put hulks death on the thumbnail looked hilarious
but his death is still super disturbing
Yeah heart exploding in his own body. What a mysery 😥
It’s a shame how little they used Hank pym in the mcu he’s a big character in the comics and important to the avengers
La razón es que debido a que es un personaje con problemas psicológicos y que incluso golpea a su esposa en los comics decidieron mejor reemplazarlo por scott
@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 Iron man tambien, y el del MCU es un pan de dios asi que como que eso no me lo compro mucho
@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 It isn't even that difficult to rewrite Hank's character. It's really not. Also, in 616 that one, single, incident that caused everyone to label him as a wife-beater is quite frustrating since even though he only did it *once* he at least tried many times to redeem himself, and the true monster here was 1610 Hank Pym.
Because of the wife beater stuff lol
@@JohnFitzgerald2008they can just retcon it if they care about that so much
When I saw Hawkeye kill Thor I thought Clint flinched when lightning struck but when I saw that it was evil Hank Pym I was surprised
x2
In ant man 1, Howard Stark said one sentence "I've known Hank for many years. He's not a security threat...unless we make him one."
This episode of what if is the true emphasis of Ant man's powers
this episode really show how you shouldnt say that ant-man and the wasp are weak
Yes 😂
wdym by that
Me : *visibly disturbed*
Also me : *replays it*
My friend : *scheduling an appointment with my therapist*
I just dropped my jaw when the hulk exploded
Hulks death was chilling to watch. His hearts and cells growing from the inside of his body and his tough skin making it harder to expand from the inside is very disturbing to think see
The sad thing is I'm pretty sure even if you show most people this episode, they're still going to say they think Ant-Man is useless
Nah Ant-Man is actually OP if you take away his humanity as shown in the video, bro basically invented time travel too
@@titan_tanker i agree, but again, people are never convinced
So ant-man actually could’ve killed thanos by shrinking to go into his ass and throwing pim particles to increase the size of thanos’ insides to make him explode from the inside.
They low key kinda proved this theory
Not just low-key, high-key proves it.
I forgot who played ant man but even he said that he wish he done that instead
@@TheChicanoMechainc Paul Rudd ?
@@TheChicanoMechainc
Sauce?
@@DannyGamerXD48 don’t know where but like a interview he said that
This is why Ant-Man is not to be underestimated and why he's a force to be reckon with.
I’m sure Hulk would have just healed from it though, “realistically” speaking, if you will. That dude has healed from from the most impossible of feats in the comics, including having almost his entire body ripped away, which is essentially what happened here. The only reason he can’t heal from the infinity snap is because, as the directors state, any physical wound is nothing compared to a wound from the most powerful magical elements in the universe.
thing is that most Hulks that survived are either Worldbreaker/Immortal Hulk
also, I don't think the hulk is immune to Primm particles or his own body
This is not the comics, tho
His arm is literally almost healed in Shang Chi
ThIs Is nOt tHe cOmIcS tHo
technically his own body destroyed itself as his healing powers were TOO powerful and ripped all his organs from the inside
I liked how much mercy Loki showed in this episode
Damn he was tired of not being noticed
Tony : what did she do to me
Fury : you mean what did we do for you
Stark : 💀
NOOOOOOOOO TONYYYYYYY!!!!!
"what if hulk death but with fart sound"
😂😂😂💯
Ant man, without ethics and with a lot of preparation and will to kill, would win the Justice League and the Avengers alone.
nah, when you have speedsters travelling incredibly fast, they're worthless.
@@ShootistFN yeah and the Atom lmao
@@ShootistFN assuming that they know that he was coming
@@purifiedwater4217 they react and view in such a small time interval, sneaking up is impossible.
@@teeswaga yeahh
This episode was very dark. I cried.
Thanos, Ultron and Loki: “He does exactly what we do.”
Hank Pym: “But better.”
This was good twist I thought.
We've seen Antman climb inside Tony's suit multiple times.
Hank Pym would be one of the few guys I could think of able to pull this off.
This man has already breached throgh or defences! You've what he has done to or collegues. And worst of all - He could be inside everyone of us! He could be inside you! He could be inside me! He could even be...
What? It was obvious. He's the antman. Watch, he'll shrink any second now.... any second now. See? Small! No, wait, that's his organs,
@@calvin3379 so we still have problem.
@@Smiley0.1 **The sound of ant man suit whirling**
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec alright, now's who's ready to go find the ant man?
@@Smiley0.1 **bring out the ant man blaster** Right behind you.
Back then, kids always saw shrinking to be a “so-so” superpower, nothing flashy like flying or super-strength, but now it is understandable why 616’s Hank Pym calls shrinking a Dangerous power, being able to kill most of the Avengers.
This ain't 616
It's 199999
This show really showed how dark marvel can go hopefully they do that with thier movies again
You want to see dark? You can't handle the dark!
Hank Pym: Bucky killed Hope and so I'm going to punish Nick Fury even tho it's not his fault by killing the candidates of the Avengers
Kills Iron man
Kills Thor
Kills Hawkeye
Kills Hulk
Kills Black Widow
Gets defeated by Loki and Nick Fury
Loki turns on Nick and tries to take over the world
Captains America and Marvel: you forgot us
The Wathcer: yes, and here's Black Widow from another universe
you forgot Hulk
@@arturovillegas1128 yes I did, I'll add him in
@@Army_Dog oh never mind sorry
Or Spider-Man and the falcon
The fact is I don’t know how Ant-man literally killed black widow
Lol hank pym only can fight from back but infront lokis middle fingure is enough 😆😂
Since it's a "What if" I just laughed at their deaths 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Emotional damage
Well, that's just a different way of calling me crazy but OK
@@Tony_Baloney_69420 😑👨🦲
@Tony_Baloney_69420 look at me im so edgy and cool 🤓
People really underestimate ant man's capabilities like he literally solos most of the avengers
He would do nothing agains thor lmao
@@louisdefaust7120that’s why he said most of the avengers not all
@@louisdefaust7120If it's the yet-Mighty Thor like the one here, even Clint's arrow can kill him in one shoot.
@@louisdefaust7120 I disagree. He could crawl inside the guys ear, make him puke and pass out before going In the brain and forcing it to change size.
0:36 I feel bad for that one shield agent that was killed
Just one bump in the head and he is 💀.
Hilarious that he’s got a highly planned, quiet, gadget/poison maneuver for everyone except black widow. Who is just wailed on in a closet
Well She's just a human, honestly it was an error to let her live that long though, He was so closed to finish his plan.
You all have to agree, the Hulk's death was gruesome
Eh the realism was turned off for me
This scene is so sad to me I almost shed a tear.
I love how he went back in time to kill Thor, because he can't if Thor is a god
I love how Lake Bell and Mick Wingert make such a great voice alike for Nat and Tony
They'd all live anyway somehow
Now we know why the writers took Ant-man out of Infinity war.
I thought that was because ant-man 2 and infinity war happened like, at the same time. Since Scott was occupied with his own business, he didn't had time to be part of a big crossover I guess.
@@torcedordoecbahia That's exactly how they took him out
Atleast we see him in endgame, which (I'm sorry endgame fans) wasn't so good as infinity war.
@@gilbertoroo6451 Both sucked
@@torcedordoecbahia no that's how they took him out not Why they took him out
Hulk's death is the end result of what would've happened to Bane in BTAS.
Hulk: "YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME. I AM IMCREDIBLE. I AM HUUUULLLK."
Hank was not Joking about his Suit and tech work
Honestly, Tony’s death was hilarious. Fury: What did we just do FOR you?
Fucking kills him LMAO
Hulks death got me crying because I grew up with him basically the same reason I cried at ironmans death in endgame before it became basically like all of optimus primes death
This just popped into my head what if they made an episode about if uncle ben didn't die
This episode was more interesting than most phase 4 movies.
Which is why anime is better
@@AYAYA_JUICER Does American animation count as Anime in your book?
@@Billchu13 No. Hollywood writing is lame and terrible
@@AYAYA_JUICER Anime is like Champagne. Simple enough to imitate, but connoisseurs know the difference.
I still think the Hulk’s heart expanding to take up his entire body before making him burst like an overfilled balloon is still one of the grossest things to happen in the MCU
Damn that was dark
Almost as dark as Cailou 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
If the MCU is indeed rated r, then the death would be disturbing and realistic.
BRO THIS IS BRUTAL.
I LOVE IT.
"You really want to find out what its like when you can't see him coming"
-Howard
Meanwhile, Deadpool in a another universe killing the entire avengers with Pym Particles.
They certainly do drink a lot of coffee
Antman is a very under rated superhero. People don’t give him enough create.
The end of strange supreme is exactly my nightmare which I had one night 10 years ago
I wonder if there is a reason why Hank Pym killed iron man first and black widow last, or he picked random avengers to target each time
0:14
An alternate universe where’s they took his kidney and sold it.
Lmao people are so butt hurt about the what if series killing the heroes. It was great writing and fun to watch & a lot more realistic than the past sagas.
1:34 *best imitation of Squidward* I didn't need to see that.
Bro the last death for wideo was scary as hell-
Damn hank pym killed everyone before the late game
Honestly if this was Hulk from the comics he would’ve been fine
Yeah, they made Hulk so weak, just look at the comics, he can get half of his body torn open and he will be like it's a normal Monday, just one enlarged heart and 💥, he dies, just wow, just, wow.
@@gilbertoroo6451 So You prefer a boring character that's literally just an indestructible wall. Well, your standars, not mine.
@@universalpower419 Read Immortal Hulk before calling a char boring. w/e your great self proclaimed standards are.
@@ASoldierify *standars
1:51 "The spy has already breached our defenses"
Look like an Yellow Jacket tries assassinate Avengers
Is it me, or does the Marvel what if series has the tendency to love killing our childhood heroes in front of our eyes while traumatising us with how horrible their deaths are?
You call this horrible deaths?
@@danielwithatoaster2215 yeah?
@@perkshaven you do you
@@danielwithatoaster2215 excuse me, did you not see Hulk’s death? 💀
I wish they showed hulk regenerating like he would in the comics at the end of the episode
although Hulk has better healing ablility than wolverine, he's basically exploded inside out, only deadpool can regenerate from that....
@@BioSoundTrack in the comics, Bruce can heal from practically anything. Even when the hypothalamus (the part of the brain that controls anger and other emotions) was destroyed, Bruce came back to life in a matter of months. Theoretically, you’d need to leave nothing left to kill Hulk for good.
@@caseypitt1296 this isnt the comics...
@@caseypitt1296 As you said, months.
@@braddutchak2084
Yeah, look at how they handled hulk in the movies.... Yikes.
They really should just leave hulk out of the MCU for good. If you try and please the fans with an accurate hulk, he'll be mad overpowered. If you make hulk the limp noodle they made him in endgame, then he has no impact...
On full version when the agent guy says "with really great hair" and Nick furry reply "excuse me"😂
If this was animated to be rated R, I would just throw myself out the window and forget that my childhood marvel hero’s even died.
I love the music
Imagine if Ant-Man joined the Avengers in the 2012 battle
This is why you shouldn't mess with Hank Pym, the Scientist Supreme
This is literally *“It was me, Barry”* of Marvel! 😹
Ant-Man op he can literally shrink and kill people so villains for him ain't really a problem
It's so fortunate that in the main universe, ant-man is on their side instead of against them
Now this is what I call permanent retirement for each of the Avengers. I love it. 😊
I like how in the thumbnail there’s blood
They're all so sad especially Tony Stark
Why is the title 90s Antman. It’s Yellow Jacket for crying out loud
😂😂😂😂 yeah but i think 90.s antman would be great 😂
Because in the MCU timeline (and these divergent timelines) Hank Pym was Ant-Man in the 1990s (actually, it was 1980s, as he quit SHIELD and locked his suit away in his vault in 1989, but that's what the title was going for). He never calls his upgraded suit "Yellowjacket" in the show, as I recall. That was Darren Cross' name for his version of the suit in the main MCU, and Pym's name for the persona that emerged when he was exposed to experimental chemicals in his lab in the comics.
Side note: In the comics, Janet married him while he was still deluded and thinking he was Yellowjacket and that he had killed Hank Pym (instead of actually being Hank Pym). Hank chose to accept the marriage as valid once he came out of the delusion, but legally it wouldn't have been, since when he married her he literally thought he had killed the person whose name would have to have been on the marriage license as the husband. Their relationship in the comics was pretty messed up on a lot of levels. For instance, she kept pushing him to rejoin the Avengers as an active superhero, even though he clearly wasn't cut out for it, and it was even adversely affecting his physical health (using the Pym Particles to grow to larger than normal size made him get stuck at enlarged size more than once, he'd pass out from the strain fairly often, and sometimes have agonizing pain or other negative symptoms). She seemed to think that adventuring together was the foundation of their relationship (understandable, since it started with her helping him investigate her father's death and defeat the alien that her father had inadvertently drawn to her, which had killed him). He famously backhanded her while in the midst of a nervous breakdown (although that wasn't in the script of the comic nor the pencil drawing -- the inker decided to make the panel "more dramatic" and the change wasn't caught until the comic had gone to print -- he was originally supposed to be putting his hand out to keep her from hugging him while he told her to leave him alone). In the comics, Hank Pym has bipolar disorder and suffers from manic and depressive episodes, as well as stress-induced breaks (such as the Yellowjacket delusion, although that was also influenced by accidental exposure to chemicals).
Notably, comics Hank Pym created the genocidal artificial intelligence Ultron, basing it partly on his own brain patterns (not a great idea when you're mentally ill, but he didn't know he was mentally ill at that time). Ultron in the comics has a death toll that makes MCU Ultron look like an amateur, and Pym knows it. Despite that, he says his greatest regret through his entire life is the one and only time he lashed out and struck Janet.
“What did we just do for you?” Kills him
I like how tony's cup didn't break after it fell.
The problem with this is the Hulk was able to regenerate from being dissected and placed in jars so no making him explode wouldn't cause him to die, his abilities don't come from DNA or Cells it comes from Radiation, and unless you clear the radiation out completely he will regenerate eventually.
Probably is his body isn’t sized properly anymore. He can’t come back together unless you found a new way to undo that first.
1:34
Awww, come on!!! Why wasn't there any body parts flying around, huh???
This is Disney we are talking about, they wouldnt do that.
Because Mickey doesn’t like it
No this what Pixar Disney want to kill they always kill an be horror movies you guys seriously 😒 tho haven’t you heard Walt Disney head hidden castle 😒
Well tbh I dident expect him to swell up like that and explode into a giant bass cloud.
the thing is we all kinda predicted an idea for ant man to do this kills with thanos right
When you could have used this for thanos….
Hank wasn't in that battle.
0:45 eminem
The only thing that changed in this reality was Hope joining SHIELD and dying.
Such a small change caused drastic change.