Omega Seamaster "Better" than a Non-Seamaster? - Omega Enthusiast
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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This video will be the Seamaster edition. I get asked this question from time to time "is a Seamaster watch better than a non-Seamaster watch?"
Well, please watch the video to find out. :-P
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My recently retired gardener who is in his 80s now, has the silver dial non seamaster version bought in Switzerland in 1960! He paid £12 for it. He told me the story how he saw it in 1959 but couldn't afford it then, the following year he went to the same shop on another a skiing trip and didn't have enough money as it was now £16, £4 more than the previous year. The shop owner remembered him from the previous year and took pity and sold him that version cheaper at £12 as it was an older model and he wanted to move it on from his stock. Still on his wrist today after 60yrs and only serviced in the 1970s to his memory and a new aftermarket bracelet.
Lol and they say that only rolex have good resale value. Your granddads watch definitely appreciated more than ten folds
GREAT VIDEO I HAVE HAD MANY VINTAGE WATCHES AT AGE 72 I STILL LOVE THEM AGAIN TKS MY FRIEND
Age is just a number in the watch collecting world. Enjoy!
How about the market value
How much is the difference in price?
The sea master is probably more desirable, if so by how much
The price of a watch will depends on the dealer, the condition, the warranty that will come with the watch, and authenticity of the watch. A non-Seamaster can cost more than a Seamaster and vice versa.
What are their reference numbers? - i'm looking to add one to my collection but prices are all over the place. Any idea what they're worth?
You can always create a post on the Omega forums and someone there should be able to assist you.
And you can watch this episode to learn about their references.
ruclips.net/video/jKj_2UHhqEA/видео.htmlsi=bkdtTk70hoTjQIFJ
@ 2:10, In regards to the example you've made of a Mercedes dealership charging more for an AMG version even though they have the same engine as the non-AMG. They actually do not have the same engine. AMG not only swapped the original engine for a larger tuned engine, but they also swapped the suspension and added exterior body parts such as a spoiler - and this is while producing a limited production. This is why an AMG always cost more. In this case, the dealer charges more because the name "seamaster" adds to the appearance of the dial as its an iconic name, just like how Constellations without the "certified..' are less desirable.
Thank you for sharing. But regarding Constellation without the words “officially certified,” it is still highly desired depending on the dial variation. For example, an early ref 14900 in full steel with an arrowhead pie pan dial is highly collectible. :)
The non-seamaster is actually probablya rare Omega Tresor from probably after 1954. I just bought a vintage Omega Tresor 1954 with a black dial and a copy from the Omega Archives. The watch in the version I have seems to be very very rare. It has the 266 movement.
Thank you for your message. Actually, the purpose of this video is to show you two almost identical watches. The non-Seamaster is not a Tresor. Tresor is under case model 2900. You can always follow me on Instagram or watch my other videos to understand better between model. :-)
I really like less text on the dial. Looks less cluttered. Both beautiful watches tho.
Fair enough and thank you for the comment.
Great video! When both the Seamaster and non Seamaster were new. What were the difference besides the appearance? Any difference on water resistance (back then)?
Thank you! Honestly, for the two example (black dials), there is no difference in water resistance wise. They take the same crystal, the same crown gasket, and the same case back gasket. The three areas to seal a watch.
I have been wearing a 1938 Omega. It keeps extremely good time. It’s is a 23.4 movement. The dial is lovely
The band is a cheap genuine leather brown band. I am having a black horween rally band made up for it with white thread. It should
really look great. I wear my vintage Omega watches. My watch man is working on my 1929 silver cases watch. I had to send to Sweden to get the right part.
Thank you so much for sharing. Enjoy your watches!
So is a non seamaster less water resistant than a seamaster?
That will depends on the non-Seamaster case. If the case does not take a gasket, it is not water resistant
@@TimelessHistoryChannel Oh ok. I have a 1965? 560 calibur KL6312 with a gasket but with Omega automatic only on the dial but I still try to keep it dry I guess. Thanks so much again!
@@Biblicalgiants KL reference is from the US collection. Their cases usually need to be sturdy, so ensure the case is in great shape, which is vital for moisture prevention. If I am correct, your watch case takes a gasket; however, the crystal on your watch probably takes a regular dome crystal without the extra metal tension ring. In that matter, make sure a tight-fitting crystal is installed. So if the crystal is the right fitting one, the case and crown gaskets are fresh, and you should not need to worry about washing your hands or out in the rain with the watch on. But like all vintage watches, it is not recommended to swim or shower with the watch on, regardless of whether it is a Seamaster.
@@TimelessHistoryChannel You're exactly right as far as I know. Actually my caseback seems to shred the gasket whenever the caseback is removed so I don't really trust getting it wet at all. But thank for your knowledge, help and your time again.
@@Biblicalgiants: The gasket you mentioned is most likely the original one that came with the watch. The colour is greyish or clear, right? A more rigid plastic gasket will hold better to the back. It can't be easily removed since the thread on the case back also secures it. During a service, I will usually remove this old plastic gasket and fit a fresh black rubber one on for better sealing.
Hello Sir. I'm confused, If these watches were both manufactured after 1948 and have the same caliber movement, Wouldnt they both be considered "Seamaster" even though the word isnt printed on one of those dials?
They are not the same case models. Omega made many different case models that take the same caliber or similar. It does not mean an Omega watch after 1948 will need to be a Seamaster either. 1948 only represent the first year when Omega introduced their Seamaster line.
my handwind seamaster from the 1960's was gold plated with a white dial and stick hands , not dauphine hands . i think it was 35 or 36 mm in diameter . have you any idea when omega started using the stick hands as opposed to daughine hands ?
There are two types of stick hands. One is an actual stick hands which you can find even in 1940s and earlier watches. But what you are referring to sound like index type hands, which they may come plain, with black stripe in the center or with luminous. I would say Omega started introducing index hands in 1959 starting with their Seamaster Pre-Deville model. Manual wind would probably not until 1962 when the Seamaster 30 were introduced.
@@TimelessHistoryChannel thank you . my seamaster was probably mid sixties but just in very nice condition still by the seventies when i bought it used in Vancouver . my dad also bought his beautiful seamaster automatic at the same time , form the same place .
Nice comparison to the AMG-Pack, also the condition is amazing on these!
Hi why are these watches called seamaster at all? They don't look like watersport or dive watches?
I've answered the first question in a separate comment. For your second question, they are made to allow the owner to swim with the watch.
How do you price an Omega Gold SeaMaster bought in 1986?
Unfortunately, 86 would be considered too modern for me. I only work on with models dating back to 1930s to 1970s. But you can always go on the Omega forums and ask for a quotation there.
Hi, so if it can be a seamaster without saying 'seamaster'.. Can any of the bumpers be a Chronometer without saying Chronometer??
Good question. Chronometer watch must say Chronometer on the dial since there is a difference between the movement. However, Vintage Chronometer or non-chronometer are considered the same quality in modern days. I can service a non-chronometer movement to run just as accurate as a chronometer movement. What we look for today is the quality of the movement to see how well preserve it is over so many decades.
Excellent Sao, thanks!
Always wanted to own a vintage omega but i only wear 40 or 39 case diameter, any recommendations?
I own two one being a 1968 Seamaster Deville and the other a 1954 Seamaster and I remember when I bought my first vintage time piece I thought to myself this is to small but you really need to try one on and look at it on your wrist because I use to wear bigger sized watches but now I haven’t gone back. While wearing a watch that size you’ll notice they look pretty classy from afar and up close but it’s just a matter of getting used to the size difference from only using a certain size for so long.
@@emanew211 i own an Omega Speedmaster The moon watch ( not a vintage ) and its my fav watch at 42 mm and i almost wear it daily. I love vintage Omegas from what i saw on RUclips and websites and u totally have a point but unfortunately im my country we dont have any vintage watch sellers so i can go and try one on wrist. I was tempted so many times to buy a vintage Omega from him or other websites but still hesitated coz i havent tried it on my wrist in person.
You're absolutely correct.
There are not many available in those sizes for a dress model. Usually anything that is over 40mm will most likely be a diver such as Seamaster 300 or something like a Speedmaster. A genuine 39-40mm Omega dress watch is very rare to find and most of what is available out there are fake or made up.
There is one main difference between the two black dial Omegas: 1) The minute track position. This makes the minute hand look too big in the non Seamaster...
That's right. But that is only one of the many dial variations. The minute track is available in both variations for both Seamaster and non-Seamaster. :-)
Lume track on the Seamaster hands was also noticeably bigger.
The non seamster have the same crown seals and back seals? That's wild( wow your pieces are in incredible condition)
Yes, they can take the same crown, same size crystal and same case back gasket.
Beautiful watches
Thank you!
Ps the seamaster probably is water resistant while the Tresor isn’t!
The non-Seamaster in this video is water resistant too as it takes a case gasket and crown gasket. The Tresor model which is 2900 is not water resistant and does not take a case gasket.
Let’s be perfectly clear, an AMG model is a performance upgrade, not just a badge.
Some people do think that a Seamaster must have a performance upgrade as well. In fact, the movement between a Seamaster and non-Seamaster are exactly the same.
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I'm still none the wiser.
A difference that makes no difference is no difference.
But the no difference makes a difference in value. :--P
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