Was an Indy fanboy for YEARS until I tried thunders on a board that had lost its pop and they basically revitalized the deck for another 2 weeks. They don't have the same heft as indys, but I find them more reliable for a boards longevity (i.e. no ghost pop). I still have like 5 sets of indys but these thunders have been going strong for a year now and I haven't felt like returning anytime soon.
I'm at the point now where I really can't definitively say if I prefer Indys or Thunders... they're both great trucks so you honestly can't go wrong with either
Ben I want you to know you got me back in again. Today I took no less than 5 good slams doing tricks I would usually never fall on in the past but I don't regret it. Your technical mindset and measurement analysis videos should be more well known. I know more spec data about boards than I ever knew 10 years ago. Love from WA.
Ben you rock 🤘😎🤘. Truly an inspiration to some of us older guys to get back into it. Wish I’d never stopped now, but only thing to do now is...Go skate👍
Aces be´cause it gives the most play out of your truck. Best turn, best lean. Indys feel like I can turn one truck at a time and it screws me up, Aces turn more symmetrically or are more coordinated if that's the right word
I really love the sharp turn on Aces, and their re-threading axle nuts are great, but they don't seem to last too long. Will be trying Indys next. Great video.
I settled on Indy 139 standards. Tried aces, too twitchy, tried thunders, a tad low for me. There's something about the Indy turn being a tad delayed then getting sharp when you dig in that I really like. Also the 55mm works with the decks I like to ride.
I have the titaniums. Indy's definitely rule. In the 90's I rode Thunder. When I came back to skating in 2013 I tried Tensor, but I couldn't stick with them. Switching to Indy's was one of the best things I did to update my setup.
Those are the same trucks I'm riding on my setup. 8.25" Santa Cruz, Indy 144 standards and Spitfire formula 4s conical fulls. Loving my setup right now. Also, always look forward to your videos. Keep up the good work and keep em coming.
I'm just waiting for my 54mm conical fulls to arrive in the mail, as a beginner who only skates street, those classic shape wheels weren't cutting it for me. Hope those match well with my 8.0" Zero deck
I bought a pair of Tensor all terrain mag lights after your video, absolutely love them. If you can shake the fact that the core skate industry thinks they are "wack". Haha. Best for a slappy board set up.
When I first started out, I started with the regular all terrain Tensors and I really like them. I was worried that they aren't going to hold up because I'm on the heavier side but they still work fine.
i swear they’re by far the best for slappys I have em on my slappy setup. I wish they’d make a heavier mag truck I really love the grind but I’ve been really enjoying the Heft of my 149 Indys lately. gotta have 2 setups now haha a not hollow tensor mag would be so fire or an Indy mag truck hahaha
147 Thunder lights on A 8.25 board , the amount of pinch action I’ve gotten with this accidental setup is amazing””” then I found out Ishod Wair rides big boards with 147 Thunder stamp the seal of approval
I'm on indy 144 hollows right now, they're great! But I do tricks easier on krux trucks especially manuals and grinds, but I had to swap out the pivot cups so they could turn better and I had to remove like 3mm from the kingpin so I could tighten it more coz it hits the board when I tighten it. INDY and KRUX!
I work at a skateshop and pretty much everyday someone comes in asking for new pivot cups for their independents. This could be caused by the change to china manufactoring. I ride Ace 44s. They are best truck for me, they are nice and turny with bones soft bushings and grinds feel really smooth and manuals feel nice and stable with steep kicked boards. They also look the best imo. My current setup is Thames 8.5 deck, Ace 44 trucks with bones soft bushings, Bones reds bearings and spitfire 54mm 99a conicals.
VENTURE 4 LIFE. Started riding ventures trucks in 1989 on my vision gonz board. I've ridden Indy, Titan,but always come back to VENTURE. Been riding the first series Venture Dots in 8.6. been stuck on 8.5 decks due to my size 6'2 190#.....Ventures Rule!!!
Indy 149 standard with a swapped forged base plate so they have the hollow kingpin making them 376g per truck. I also just got a set of thunder standard 149 and actually really like how they turn. They were 366g new.
I used to ride the Thunder hollow lights because I thought id get more pop from light trucks then I saw an old video of yours talking about how you liked the indy standard pop feel and been riding them ever since and its helped me improve my pop along with grinds.
I’m thinking about trying Grind King again. I haven’t had a pair since the 90’s. They grinded down so quick but I liked how they performed over all. Indy’s were too heavy fr
I'm still figuring out what I like. I've owned Thunder, Tensor, Venture, Krux, Indy, and most recently, Ace trucks. At the moment I'm really digging Aces, but I usually find my self working my way back to Thunders after trying out something different for a while.
I like steeper decks. And with those I find the Tensor low trucks, mag light TENs work fairly well. Not saying they are my best ever with nothing changing in the future. But I do like them. They also have a neat grind, even though I am not great at grinds.
I rode indys for a long time. Had skated thunders when I was younger a couple times. But I recently got some thunder lights and I have to say I like them a lot better. So much lighter. I’ve only been skating them for 2 days and they feel broken in pretty much. I ride medium loose. They grind good too
Going to have to try them. I've been on 149s for the past ~5 years, but I want to slim down my setup (board and trucks). I know a couple guys that were stoked on 144s when they came out.
Same here bro I love the indy 144s. Just bought some Ventures to try. I've always skated independent 139s stage 8s when I was in my teens through in to 20s
"I can get 6 months out of them"... then there is me skating the same trucks at 35 that I did in my 20's :D I have changed bushings though and no I don't do many grinds hahaha
Ace is my favorite truck. I love the way they turn and how responsive they feel. They grind really nice too and they are by far the best looking truck imo
Me 5.6 high and 5.8 venture from standard to v-hollow, im so used to the stability of the wheel base and the pop. For me they turn just fine, now i skate them just with the stock bushing. I love indy (149)and thunder too but not as much as venture. Indy too turny on 14.25 and down and thunder too low for my weigh(190).
Vince amir how are the 5.6 ventures on a 14.25 wheelbase? ive only used them w short wheelbases im afraid with a 14.25 itd feel too long and i cant treflip anymore:(
@@gabrieltrujillo8016 for sure that turn à little bit less than à 14 inch wheel base. I love my venture on a DGK board 8.25 x 14.375 and i can do tre flip with no problem. But im probably not the best exemple for this because i can do tre flip with almost every kind of setup, like 8" To 10.34" board with 15" wheel base and 60 mm wheels.
I still have my tensors circa early 2000s with the slide piece between the wheels , I loved tensors , just picked up skating again at 35 , I picked up krux , I never liked ventures or thunder when I use to ride them off friends boards back in the day , indys are good but tanky heavy
I have skated a couple years but only have a couple pairs of independents. They last me long because I don't do tricks yet and was just using my board to commute to and from work. Saying my favorite is pointless since I've only tried independent, but research tells me they are the best at turning and the best for transition, and that definitely matches what I'm most interested in, so kind of hard to justify spending money on more trucks of other brands when I probably already found what's best for my priorities.
My current setup is an 8.5 Paterson board w Indy Mid 149s with the inverted kingpin.(tiagos) Spitfire F4s Classics 53mm 99a..love it..tho i might go a little bit smaller to 8.38..bit besides that love my setup.
I rode Thunders for years. Didn't have an issue. Thought trucks were trucks essentially. Recently got some Indy 149 hollows. Changed everything. They're the best trucks I've ever had and I'm a total Indy convert now.
Whaaaaaaat Indy 144s are my same trucks... I thought you rode way bigger decks than me?! What size decks do you usually skate? Awesome video! The hollows are great too, btw... hope you enjoy(ed) them! 🤘
Ive started with 144 hollows, and it was the best for a long time. Then my gear madness pushed me to try thunder hollow 147, never liked, you have to choose no turn or wheelbite. I even bent them learning flatground ollie (im 150lbs). After ive tried 149 hollow and ace 44. Both are cool, ace are heavy (i dont like this) but turn was amazing initially. Bushings stiffened after initial brake in, and they became another indy. I hope they will be soft again. Indy 149 are great, its like more stable 144. Ive even tried 149 titanium, but felt no difference with hollow (but checked 20g weight diff on scales). All above from the beginner viewpoint. I’ve landed kickflip once )
kinda doesn't matter at beginner level.. you can honestly skate anything but if it gives you confidence, by all means. save your $ keep a consistent setup if you like but focus more on technique & form: jumping on top of board, lifting back feet up after you snap, & a good ollie....and getting hurt.
At your current level of skating, differences in gear don’t matter much. But I will say, it’s unlikely that an axle would bend from a flat ground ollie. I weigh more than you and regularly skate gaps (with thunders) around 5 ft high or taller with no issues. In fact I’ve never bent an axle from any brand come to think of it. If this was caused by a manufacturer defect, DLX customer service and warranty is excellent. They stand firmly behind their product.
I just bought venture trucks because that’s all they had in stock that fit my board and a huge chunk of the bushing came off after 2 session of just riding around in a parking lot.
my first trucks were INDY’S in like in 1989. I rode INDY’S for years...decades. But now I’m riding THUNDER HOLLOW LIGHTS with clear blue bushings. It took a little to get used to then cuz their lower. I love my THUNDER HOLLOW LIGHTS.
My favorite trucks are the Indy 149 standards. I gotta say the turn and pop feel is out of this world. The weight does not matter to me based on the geometry.
I’ve always skated Independent trucks. I don’t know any different. I’ve always skated them. When they released the stage 11/hollow trucks that eliminate speed wobble I became a customer for life.
I don't skate that often and am not a trick heavy skater so my favorite trucks are thunders. they are just super responsive especially for turns. I use the hollow lights and they have really good feel. thunder also mall grabs really comfortably.
I tried so many times to ride thunders. I have owned Indy 149 hollows as well in addition to bullet trucks. All I can say is I ALWAYS go back to Indy 144 standards. I like how they are roomy for stability when grinding and hillbombing and skating ramps...but they don't really get any significant wheel bite (at least for me) because you can have them fairly tight and they still turn well because indys have a nice gentle carve to them. They manual nicely for me. My manuals are definitely better with Indys than thunders. At the same time, although I can do some tricks better on thunders, I don't do ALL of my tricks better on thunders and when I start skating thunders I run into wheel bite problems. So Indys are more consistent overall which to me is the most important.
I got a new setup a few months ago, after a ten year hiatus. Got a board I knew I'd like and told the guy whatever trucks and wheels he thinks would be good. Ended up getting Indys and 54mm wheels and it wasn't working for me, downsized to 52mm was better but I think I need low trucks
I knew it lol! Indy basher lolol! I started on indy's in the early 90's then switched to venture as they were lighter. I still love indy's though fo sho xx
@@rizz184 well who knows if the titanium axle vibrates differently resulting in a softer feel even if it does not touch the ledge. I doubt that and titanium being softer? I'd say more likely its the mind playing a trick on people who think the hanger is titanium.
I just did that with a 149 hollow hanger cast baseplate on matt berger flip deck. Felt super heavy, really nice ollie’s but i found it hard to get flip tricks consistent. But the board sticks if you have no problem popping really hard all day.
I 2nd this ! At my age I mostly cruise haha . I have been able to understand board dimensions vs trucks and how they relate , thanks to Ben . My 2 favorite trucks are Thunder Teams and , oddly , Tracker Darts (swapped in stock Thunder Blacklight bushings for the really hard Tracker bushings) .
I love Ace and Indys. It depends on the deck and wheelbase for me. I know some will say well the Aces are technically indy because they are stage IIIs but the name on those trucks is ACE not Independent Truck Co. Both have been the absolute best trucks that I've skated hands down. I will change decks and wheels before I change out trucks when trying different setups (Not because I'm cheap) because I just love the way they feel, the position of the hanger, the way they grind and carve. They are literally perfect for what I like to feel when I skate. I have 3 setups. I don't necessarily ride just one. Sometimes I skate something for a month, wake up one day and just want to go to something new. I have a small setup of 8.0(Couldn't find 7.75 at the time, which is what I really wanted), it didn't feel good with ACE 33s so I went to Indy 139s. My "vert" or my 80s throwback setups are both ACE because they turned and carved better with the larger wheelbase and position of the axles.
YOU KNOW ALL THE SLOGANS TO THE BEST TRUCKS! Been riding them for at least 30 of the 33 years I've been skating. Forged hollows are my current jam. Also, NHS customer service is the best!!!!
@@InfinityGamerHDx too risky right now I'd say. Madrid and Spain is getting infected again, and you are forced to wear a mask at any place. Maybe you get lucky though
This is off topic but I would really like to see your opinion on these Impact Madness decks I've seen. Looks like a normal deck except for a 15" wheel base! Just curious to see you skate it and why in the world a 15 inch wheel base
Ride them till they are in useable that will be a really sick vid “I broke my indys!!” It will also be interesting if you skate a decks it it’s un rideable
I always snap my axles from landing primo or wobble out the mounting holes which is my fault hahha. I wish I could keep a pair long enough to get grooves but it hasn't happened in 18 years of skating
I was on thunders for several years; I ordered some indie 159 hollows and have been skating those for about a month. Still stock bushings without any adjustment to the trucks. May tighten them up in a bit; not sure if it's a myth, but I heard it's best not to tighten brand new bushings before they're broken in.
Ace 44s. I swap out the bushings for Bones softs. Second favorite are Indy 149s. I like the way Aces grind compared to Indys BUT Indys sound better in a grind. I think it's because Indys use a harder aluminum. Sorry, no all-caps. I'm feeling casual this afternoon.
I had the same feelings about my Stage 8 146s. I kept trying to ride other trucks but I gravitated back to them every time. They are currently completely trashed and to this day I still find myself back. They have GK kingpins on them so they had way more grind life than your average stock Indy but alas they have no grind clearance left and the rounded kingpin head is the only thing keeping them skateable at all. The day they crack or snap I might have to hold a funeral with a well scripted eulogy to honor the greatest pair of trucks I've ever owned. That being said I like the way big wide Ventures skate the most but the places they lack are the places that Indys shine the most. Kinda like Ben and Thunder to Independent.
@@bendegros I bought 3 pairs of 146s at cost when a local Sk8 shop was going out of business a long time ago. This mentioned pair is the last ones left...but they are also the ones I had the best times on. I will probably end up with a new set of 11s in the near future.
I have Indy 144s on my blood wizard with some deck rails and ricta clouds and it's heavy af but I have some oj mini super juice going on it tomorrow and I expect it will get even heavier lol. I'm just cruising for now anyways!
Raw thunder 149s were my first set of real trucks andare always my go to. Also tried venture and indy. Hated the ventures. The indys were pretty great though.
I’ve been playing around with deck/truck size. First bought Indy 169 to put on the old school deck I pulled out of the closet. Then realized the deck was valuable so I went to 144 standard on 8.25 deck. Felt a bit small so I got a 9” deck for the 169. Felt a bit big. Now have 149 titanium on 8.5 deck and I love it. I like the forged baseplate too because I use 1/8” squishy old man risers.
I just bought the Indy 169 and haven't tried them out. Was thinking of buying a 9.25-9.75 for my OJ 60mm 78a but I feel that might be too big. I'm tempted to return the 169 and it has the six hole which I see that you can just drill a hole for.
Thunders in the back kurks in the front. Cause I broke one of each. Used to like grind kings but around 15 years old I broke them about as often as I broke boards. My buddy offered me some indys never own a pair but looking forward to being about to Smith again without the 50% chance of getting locked up.
Anyone prefer watching Ben skate without any music? Just the sound of skating is soothing.
There need to be skateboarding ASMR
I don’t mind the music, however maybe I’d like it more if was turned down a little bit
@@thus6762
Agreed! He did an awesome job with his Skateboarder Mid-Life Crisis video. The music was dope.
If he keeps the mellow tunes he’s been using I’m all for it.
It's like being at the beach listening to the waves break.
Was an Indy fanboy for YEARS until I tried thunders on a board that had lost its pop and they basically revitalized the deck for another 2 weeks. They don't have the same heft as indys, but I find them more reliable for a boards longevity (i.e. no ghost pop). I still have like 5 sets of indys but these thunders have been going strong for a year now and I haven't felt like returning anytime soon.
I'm at the point now where I really can't definitively say if I prefer Indys or Thunders... they're both great trucks so you honestly can't go wrong with either
Flippy post again, it’s been so long :(
Flippy please post ‼️‼️‼️
Were they thunder lows? Cause that’s a huge difference
Anyway even Thunder Highs are lower than Indy standards so your deck is going to snap the floor faster meaning less ghost pop
Ben I want you to know you got me back in again. Today I took no less than 5 good slams doing tricks I would usually never fall on in the past but I don't regret it. Your technical mindset and measurement analysis videos should be more well known. I know more spec data about boards than I ever knew 10 years ago. Love from WA.
Venture!!! I like the stability of those truck. Plus they are the one and only compagny to make great low truck.
Ben you rock 🤘😎🤘. Truly an inspiration to some of us older guys to get back into it. Wish I’d never stopped now, but only thing to do now is...Go skate👍
Aces be´cause it gives the most play out of your truck. Best turn, best lean. Indys feel like I can turn one truck at a time and it screws me up, Aces turn more symmetrically or are more coordinated if that's the right word
Ik im late but yeah me too! Its my first time trying ace trucks and the turning is really great, definetly gonna be riding this trucks forever.
Also for me ace hangar looks more cooler than indy
@@youalreadyknow5849 Most definitely!
i just got 149 team thunders and they feel like the best trucks ive ever skated
agreed
Same.
The team hollows has ones?
Thunder hollow lights for me 🤙
Ewww
I really love the sharp turn on Aces, and their re-threading axle nuts are great, but they don't seem to last too long. Will be trying Indys next. Great video.
Indy 149 hollows although I'm riding 159 standards right now and they feel so good in bowls and on coping. Keep up the good work! 🛹🔥
I settled on Indy 139 standards. Tried aces, too twitchy, tried thunders, a tad low for me. There's something about the Indy turn being a tad delayed then getting sharp when you dig in that I really like. Also the 55mm works with the decks I like to ride.
Silver stage 11 ?
I can't wait to be able to skate again. Thanks for your input Ben. 🙏
:)
Ben is the one skater that always delivers for me🥰 tech or the miniramp. Its always a great sesh with you.
Damn, killing it on that mini ramp!
I have the titaniums. Indy's definitely rule. In the 90's I rode Thunder. When I came back to skating in 2013 I tried Tensor, but I couldn't stick with them. Switching to Indy's was one of the best things I did to update my setup.
Thunders 148 hollow lights are my favourite. Good turning and the stock bushings are much better than the ones on independent.
Thunder 148 team hollows have been working out really well for me, I’ll have to try the Indy 144 forged hollows soon!
"I'm done!" LOL! Ben not in the mood for any stage dives to flat.
Thunders, just feel so much closer to the ground than Indy’s and grinds are way better imo
I really liked the skating with the music and the Mini was sick
Looks like a 5 footer? Crazy how small that looks on camera
I really love the addition of music while your skating Ben, really makes the video even better
Those are the same trucks I'm riding on my setup. 8.25" Santa Cruz, Indy 144 standards and Spitfire formula 4s conical fulls. Loving my setup right now. Also, always look forward to your videos. Keep up the good work and keep em coming.
:)
I'm just waiting for my 54mm conical fulls to arrive in the mail, as a beginner who only skates street, those classic shape wheels weren't cutting it for me. Hope those match well with my 8.0" Zero deck
I bought a pair of Tensor all terrain mag lights after your video, absolutely love them. If you can shake the fact that the core skate industry thinks they are "wack". Haha. Best for a slappy board set up.
I've some maglite atgs on a dlx twintail slick with spit lockins, slappy mode.
When I first started out, I started with the regular all terrain Tensors and I really like them. I was worried that they aren't going to hold up because I'm on the heavier side but they still work fine.
i swear they’re by far the best for slappys I have em on my slappy setup. I wish they’d make a heavier mag truck I really love the grind but I’ve been really enjoying the Heft of my 149 Indys lately. gotta have 2 setups now haha a not hollow tensor mag would be so fire or an Indy mag truck hahaha
I have some tensors on my current setup and they're really good trucks.
That concrete mini looks like one of the best I’ve seen. Very flowee!
It's the perfect size for me. The only problem is the coping is kind of soft and sticky. Slow grinds.
147 Thunder lights on A 8.25 board , the amount of pinch action I’ve gotten with this accidental setup is amazing””” then I found out Ishod Wair rides big boards with 147 Thunder stamp the seal of approval
I'm on indy 144 hollows right now, they're great! But I do tricks easier on krux trucks especially manuals and grinds, but I had to swap out the pivot cups so they could turn better and I had to remove like 3mm from the kingpin so I could tighten it more coz it hits the board when I tighten it. INDY and KRUX!
I work at a skateshop and pretty much everyday someone comes in asking for new pivot cups for their independents. This could be caused by the change to china manufactoring.
I ride Ace 44s. They are best truck for me, they are nice and turny with bones soft bushings and grinds feel really smooth and manuals feel nice and stable with steep kicked boards. They also look the best imo.
My current setup is Thames 8.5 deck, Ace 44 trucks with bones soft bushings, Bones reds bearings and spitfire 54mm 99a conicals.
Does the truck size really make a big difference? Cuz ace 44 is for 8.25 , i am wondering does it make grinding, flat ground tricks easier or harder
THUNDER LOW 147s ALL DAY. I also had no clue you were related to Ted Degros until recently. Makes perfect sense lol
Yo what’s up
Indy 144s are just so perfect. I have the titanium ones, they're wonderful.
What board size did you ride with them? I have the 149 standards and was looking to getting something lighter
@@nicholaslopez6384 144 is for 8.25, 149 is good for 8.5.
Indy 144 hollows with the lower baseplate. I love em. The turn,the grind and the manual. Ride the best ,F the rest. Lol
I'm riding Indy's 149 in 8.3 deck it works for me the best
Me too buddy. Indy 149 classic with the blue "medium hard" bushings and a real 8.38. really warming up to it, used to ride an 8.0 on 139s
@@kalyndyck315 love those medium hard bushings
VENTURE 4 LIFE. Started riding ventures trucks in 1989 on my vision gonz board. I've ridden Indy, Titan,but always come back to VENTURE. Been riding the first series Venture Dots in 8.6. been stuck on 8.5 decks due to my size 6'2 190#.....Ventures Rule!!!
Indy 149 standard with a swapped forged base plate so they have the hollow kingpin making them 376g per truck. I also just got a set of thunder standard 149 and actually really like how they turn. They were 366g new.
I used to ride the Thunder hollow lights because I thought id get more pop from light trucks then I saw an old video of yours talking about how you liked the indy standard pop feel and been riding them ever since and its helped me improve my pop along with grinds.
I’m thinking about trying Grind King again. I haven’t had a pair since the 90’s. They grinded down so quick but I liked how they performed over all. Indy’s were too heavy fr
Besides a cheap pair of thunders on my first ever board - Indys are all I’ve ridden
Ben, it is not getting worse. That is a principle ... YOU HAVE !
I'm still figuring out what I like. I've owned Thunder, Tensor, Venture, Krux, Indy, and most recently, Ace trucks. At the moment I'm really digging Aces, but I usually find my self working my way back to Thunders after trying out something different for a while.
I ghost pop alot with Indy's, so I wait for the mids with inverted kingpin. Been riding Thunders for years
I like steeper decks. And with those I find the Tensor low trucks, mag light TENs work fairly well. Not saying they are my best ever with nothing changing in the future. But I do like them. They also have a neat grind, even though I am not great at grinds.
I rode indys for a long time. Had skated thunders when I was younger a couple times. But I recently got some thunder lights and I have to say I like them a lot better. So much lighter. I’ve only been skating them for 2 days and they feel broken in pretty much. I ride medium loose. They grind good too
Going to have to try them. I've been on 149s for the past ~5 years, but I want to slim down my setup (board and trucks). I know a couple guys that were stoked on 144s when they came out.
Same here bro I love the indy 144s. Just bought some Ventures to try. I've always skated independent 139s stage 8s when I was in my teens through in to 20s
Definitely a Indy 149 standard is my favorite truck so far
Congratulations Bullet Trucks!
"I can get 6 months out of them"... then there is me skating the same trucks at 35 that I did in my 20's :D I have changed bushings though and no I don't do many grinds hahaha
Just gone from stage 10 low 139 to stage 11 149 forged hollow.. don't need to try another truck now these are just spot on..
Ace is my favorite truck. I love the way they turn and how responsive they feel. They grind really nice too and they are by far the best looking truck imo
Agreed - a month into trying Ace I put 33's, 44's and 55's on my quiver.
Me 5.6 high and 5.8 venture from standard to v-hollow, im so used to the stability of the wheel base and the pop. For me they turn just fine, now i skate them just with the stock bushing. I love indy (149)and thunder too but not as much as venture. Indy too turny on 14.25 and down and thunder too low for my weigh(190).
Vince amir how are the 5.6 ventures on a 14.25 wheelbase? ive only
used them w short wheelbases im afraid with a 14.25 itd feel too long and i cant treflip anymore:(
@@gabrieltrujillo8016 for sure that turn à little bit less than à 14 inch wheel base. I love my venture on a DGK board 8.25 x 14.375 and i can do tre flip with no problem. But im probably not the best exemple for this because i can do tre flip with almost every kind of setup, like 8" To 10.34" board with 15" wheel base and 60 mm wheels.
I still have my tensors circa early 2000s with the slide piece between the wheels , I loved tensors , just picked up skating again at 35 , I picked up krux , I never liked ventures or thunder when I use to ride them off friends boards back in the day , indys are good but tanky heavy
I have skated a couple years but only have a couple pairs of independents. They last me long because I don't do tricks yet and was just using my board to commute to and from work.
Saying my favorite is pointless since I've only tried independent, but research tells me they are the best at turning and the best for transition, and that definitely matches what I'm most interested in, so kind of hard to justify spending money on more trucks of other brands when I probably already found what's best for my priorities.
My current setup is an 8.5 Paterson board w Indy Mid 149s with the inverted kingpin.(tiagos) Spitfire F4s Classics 53mm 99a..love it..tho i might go a little bit smaller to 8.38..bit besides that love my setup.
I rode Thunders for years. Didn't have an issue. Thought trucks were trucks essentially. Recently got some Indy 149 hollows. Changed everything. They're the best trucks I've ever had and I'm a total Indy convert now.
Whaaaaaaat Indy 144s are my same trucks... I thought you rode way bigger decks than me?! What size decks do you usually skate? Awesome video! The hollows are great too, btw... hope you enjoy(ed) them! 🤘
Nice, just bought a pair of Milton 144s
A perfect pop shiv is my favorite trick and that was nice.
Ive started with 144 hollows, and it was the best for a long time.
Then my gear madness pushed me to try thunder hollow 147, never liked, you have to choose no turn or wheelbite. I even bent them learning flatground ollie (im 150lbs).
After ive tried 149 hollow and ace 44. Both are cool, ace are heavy (i dont like this) but turn was amazing initially. Bushings stiffened after initial brake in, and they became another indy. I hope they will be soft again.
Indy 149 are great, its like more stable 144. Ive even tried 149 titanium, but felt no difference with hollow (but checked 20g weight diff on scales).
All above from the beginner viewpoint. I’ve landed kickflip once )
kinda doesn't matter at beginner level.. you can honestly skate anything but if it gives you confidence, by all means. save your $
keep a consistent setup if you like but focus more on technique & form: jumping on top of board, lifting back feet up after you snap, & a good ollie....and getting hurt.
At your current level of skating, differences in gear don’t matter much. But I will say, it’s unlikely that an axle would bend from a flat ground ollie. I weigh more than you and regularly skate gaps (with thunders) around 5 ft high or taller with no issues. In fact I’ve never bent an axle from any brand come to think of it. If this was caused by a manufacturer defect, DLX customer service and warranty is excellent. They stand firmly behind their product.
I just bought venture trucks because that’s all they had in stock that fit my board and a huge chunk of the bushing came off after 2 session of just riding around in a parking lot.
my first trucks were INDY’S in like in 1989. I rode INDY’S for years...decades. But now I’m riding THUNDER HOLLOW LIGHTS with clear blue bushings. It took a little to get used to then cuz their lower.
I love my THUNDER HOLLOW LIGHTS.
My favorite trucks are the Indy 149 standards. I gotta say the turn and pop feel is out of this world. The weight does not matter to me based on the geometry.
That park looks really cool!
I'm loving the Hollow Indys 144 with the regular baseplate 😍
Why is hollow better?
@@palleh7742 it's just a bit lighter.
It's not better it just has a lighter pop feel.
Currently riding Team Thunder 147s and love em!
You should a good clean review on independent stage 4 trucks I believe have in you to be impressed by them
Yes independent 144s are the best!! But the bushings crack easy for me, still need to find some that work for me
I’ve always skated Independent trucks. I don’t know any different. I’ve always skated them. When they released the stage 11/hollow trucks that eliminate speed wobble I became a customer for life.
I don't skate that often and am not a trick heavy skater so my favorite trucks are thunders. they are just super responsive especially for turns. I use the hollow lights and they have really good feel. thunder also mall grabs really comfortably.
I remember you said that Vancouver was an Indy Town. Thats how I knew. Indy Gang🤘🏾
I like the 169 Indy’s that I’ve been skating for a while, I skate them without the washers so they’re nice and loose.
Just got Indy's 169 but not sure what deck width to get. Maybe a 9.25-9.75 for my 60mm OJ.
Same gotta let them jiggle around, its the best
bennnnnnnn, try putting 2 top bushings in each truck, it turns sooo smooth and its great. I fist heard about it from ishod, try it out. for a video
like, replace the bottom bushings with the top ones?
I tried so many times to ride thunders. I have owned Indy 149 hollows as well in addition to bullet trucks. All I can say is I ALWAYS go back to Indy 144 standards. I like how they are roomy for stability when grinding and hillbombing and skating ramps...but they don't really get any significant wheel bite (at least for me) because you can have them fairly tight and they still turn well because indys have a nice gentle carve to them. They manual nicely for me. My manuals are definitely better with Indys than thunders. At the same time, although I can do some tricks better on thunders, I don't do ALL of my tricks better on thunders and when I start skating thunders I run into wheel bite problems. So Indys are more consistent overall which to me is the most important.
what’s your shoe size? I want to ride 8.25 and 144 but i’m afraid it might be too big for me
Standards mean silver stage 11 ?
I got a new setup a few months ago, after a ten year hiatus. Got a board I knew I'd like and told the guy whatever trucks and wheels he thinks would be good. Ended up getting Indys and 54mm wheels and it wasn't working for me, downsized to 52mm was better but I think I need low trucks
I knew it lol! Indy basher lolol! I started on indy's in the early 90's then switched to venture as they were lighter. I still love indy's though fo sho xx
Indy’s and thunders by far my favorite
Skated tensors and grind kings being my favorites back then but they both became hard to get so been skating indys for 10+ years now.
I'm starting love my Indy 144 Titaniums, I used to find Indy's too turny compared with Thunders but I like both for different reasons.
Id love to find me some 144s titaniums, how do they grind? I've heared they feel "soft" when grinding compared to standard indys, is that true?
@@rizz184 the hanger ist the same material, only the axle is titanium, which you dont grind on till its finished anyway
@@trupiil yeah ik that, but why do people say they feel softer
@@rizz184 well who knows if the titanium axle vibrates differently resulting in a softer feel even if it does not touch the ledge. I doubt that and titanium being softer? I'd say more likely its the mind playing a trick on people who think the hanger is titanium.
@@rizz184 Because they don't know what they are talking about
I just did that with a 149 hollow hanger cast baseplate on matt berger flip deck. Felt super heavy, really nice ollie’s but i found it hard to get flip tricks consistent. But the board sticks if you have no problem popping really hard all day.
Every truck has its place on the right board.
I 2nd this ! At my age I mostly cruise haha . I have been able to understand board dimensions vs trucks and how they relate , thanks to Ben . My 2 favorite trucks are Thunder Teams and , oddly , Tracker Darts (swapped in stock Thunder Blacklight bushings for the really hard Tracker bushings) .
I love Ace and Indys. It depends on the deck and wheelbase for me. I know some will say well the Aces are technically indy because they are stage IIIs but the name on those trucks is ACE not Independent Truck Co. Both have been the absolute best trucks that I've skated hands down. I will change decks and wheels before I change out trucks when trying different setups (Not because I'm cheap) because I just love the way they feel, the position of the hanger, the way they grind and carve. They are literally perfect for what I like to feel when I skate. I have 3 setups. I don't necessarily ride just one. Sometimes I skate something for a month, wake up one day and just want to go to something new. I have a small setup of 8.0(Couldn't find 7.75 at the time, which is what I really wanted), it didn't feel good with ACE 33s so I went to Indy 139s. My "vert" or my 80s throwback setups are both ACE because they turned and carved better with the larger wheelbase and position of the axles.
YOU KNOW ALL THE SLOGANS TO THE BEST TRUCKS! Been riding them for at least 30 of the 33 years I've been skating. Forged hollows are my current jam. Also, NHS customer service is the best!!!!
I was wondering where to find motivation to go skate later in this hot Spanish summer... here it is!!!
So true👏
just say “hey that would be fun” boom instant motivation
do you think its possible to hitchhike in spain right now? i am going to start a skatetrip from germany next week
@@InfinityGamerHDx too risky right now I'd say. Madrid and Spain is getting infected again, and you are forced to wear a mask at any place. Maybe you get lucky though
Hopefully you're grateful. I'm an East coast skater. Got to deal with cold and bad weather. NJ, NY ain't like it is at where you skate.
I haven't skated in many years. My question is are destructo trucks still worth using?
I'm riding Thunders with bushings from Indy. Not too sure what the bushing hardness is but I love the set up.
Indy 149 standards on an 8.5 is the best size for everything
Can you explain why? Why 8.5 size. 8.25 is the best with 144
Your Silly they have a full nose and perfect shape along with a lot of room to land, once you get used to it tech is not hard to do
I just got the Indy 149 for my 8.25 and it felt good today. I was going to try it on my 8.3 but a 8.5 does sound tempting down the road.
Thunder all the way , been riding the 151s for a while on a 8.5 but just gone down to 149s and a 8.38 as my new setup for starting uni 👌🏼
This is off topic but I would really like to see your opinion on these Impact Madness decks I've seen. Looks like a normal deck except for a 15" wheel base! Just curious to see you skate it and why in the world a 15 inch wheel base
Ride them till they are in useable that will be a really sick vid “I broke my indys!!” It will also be interesting if you skate a decks it it’s un rideable
Indy guarantees new trucks if you manage to break them
krizz not anymore
I always snap my axles from landing primo or wobble out the mounting holes which is my fault hahha.
I wish I could keep a pair long enough to get grooves but it hasn't happened in 18 years of skating
I was on thunders for several years; I ordered some indie 159 hollows and have been skating those for about a month. Still stock bushings without any adjustment to the trucks. May tighten them up in a bit; not sure if it's a myth, but I heard it's best not to tighten brand new bushings before they're broken in.
Imo definitely not a myth. I’ve had two pairs of trucks with broken bushings because of that
Ace 44s. I swap out the bushings for Bones softs. Second favorite are Indy 149s. I like the way Aces grind compared to Indys BUT Indys sound better in a grind. I think it's because Indys use a harder aluminum. Sorry, no all-caps. I'm feeling casual this afternoon.
I had the same feelings about my Stage 8 146s. I kept trying to ride other trucks but I gravitated back to them every time. They are currently completely trashed and to this day I still find myself back. They have GK kingpins on them so they had way more grind life than your average stock Indy but alas they have no grind clearance left and the rounded kingpin head is the only thing keeping them skateable at all. The day they crack or snap I might have to hold a funeral with a well scripted eulogy to honor the greatest pair of trucks I've ever owned. That being said I like the way big wide Ventures skate the most but the places they lack are the places that Indys shine the most. Kinda like Ben and Thunder to Independent.
Stage 8s are pretty nice I must agree :)
@@bendegros I bought 3 pairs of 146s at cost when a local Sk8 shop was going out of business a long time ago. This mentioned pair is the last ones left...but they are also the ones I had the best times on. I will probably end up with a new set of 11s in the near future.
I have Indy 144s on my blood wizard with some deck rails and ricta clouds and it's heavy af but I have some oj mini super juice going on it tomorrow and I expect it will get even heavier lol. I'm just cruising for now anyways!
I love watching you Ben but I hope you see This because you are really inspiring to me in skating!
I really thought, it would be the Venture lows, because you ride them a lot too.
Raw thunder 149s were my first set of real trucks andare always my go to. Also tried venture and indy. Hated the ventures. The indys were pretty great though.
You should try caliber Street trucks they're like Indies but with a better designed hanger deeper bushing seat and adjustable wheelbase
I’ve been playing around with deck/truck size. First bought Indy 169 to put on the old school deck I pulled out of the closet. Then realized the deck was valuable so I went to 144 standard on 8.25 deck. Felt a bit small so I got a 9” deck for the 169. Felt a bit big. Now have 149 titanium on 8.5 deck and I love it. I like the forged baseplate too because I use 1/8” squishy old man risers.
I just bought the Indy 169 and haven't tried them out. Was thinking of buying a 9.25-9.75 for my OJ 60mm 78a but I feel that might be too big. I'm tempted to return the 169 and it has the six hole which I see that you can just drill a hole for.
Thunders in the back kurks in the front. Cause I broke one of each. Used to like grind kings but around 15 years old I broke them about as often as I broke boards. My buddy offered me some indys never own a pair but looking forward to being about to Smith again without the 50% chance of getting locked up.
Film trucks are definitely my favourite
I got Royal Mids for 8,5 decks... my favorite trucks. I like Ventures and Tensors, but I prefer the large Royal Mids. 💯
i use to ride tracker trucks in the 80's. i was wondering why they don't seem to be mainstream anymore?
Could you do a video on popular board brands that work with Indy’s?