the fact that they get shredded up and sharp and don't last long is a tradeoff on the fact that they grind so smooth. it's just softer metal but it makes grinds so much easier on chunky ledges and shit. very worth it for me
@@laynurz I'm not sure I agree. My friend has these new Aces and they're definitely softer metal compared to a Venture, Indy, etc. and his Aces grind sooo smooth and buttery compared to any other truck he's ever used/I've ever seen. One day we were skating this chunky ledge and I had my thunders (with grooves) and they weren't even coming close to grinding as good as his Aces were. The Aces were just plowing straight through it like nothing
@@laynurz I wouldn’t say softer they are most definitely smoother. I have been skating them for about 3 months and precious to that went between Indy’s and thunders for about 16 yrs. It was in instant difference. I haven’t had the “flaking” issue he’s referring too and live in nyc so I’m literally skating every type of material haha
@@laynurz harder metals would stop as soon as they hit something. Softer metals would strip as they are being grinded, so i would assume its better for really nasty ledges and shit.
The shaving happens sometimes when your angle iron is too sharp. I have a small box that shreds my box bad but a bigger box with different angle iron that is fine. Only when I skate the little one, but that angle iron has a very sharp and defined edge. I think that's cause the material is softer but also makes for the best grind imo. Ace are heavier but they do not feel like it at all. Never once had a thought about the weight of them, but you hear it a lot with indys. The classics are much cheaper at $40 ish and still really good trucks if the af1 is too steep Unfortunately they do seem to start to go earlier than most trucks, but like the Hater, to me its totally worth it. I think the deep turn is hard on the bushings/pivot cups. But once I got Ace, my confidence in skating has gone through the roof and I don't think that's a coincidence. I don't feel like they make tricks harder at all and to me have such a fun and comfortable pinch.
i recently bought a funbox so i can skate at home and the angle iron does made my trucks chip off and flakes are everywhere the first few days of skating the box. yeah i agree this happens because of how sharp the angle iron is. also i ride Thunders.
Haha yesssssss!!! My favorite RUclips content posts yes. Dude was thinking how you have different hair all the time you should do a tier list for skaters fashion like who’s got the best and worst fits
hed still have to throw bones bushings in there, i have krux and other people who ride them can admit their bushings are weird and they skate better with different bushings
I bought some gold ace 44s a few days ago and i love em; they felt close to already being broken in right out of the box. and i agree, the turning is great but squirrellier than most trucks. still i prefer them over ventures and thunders anyway (so far at least)
In my experience as a mainly transition skater, these things react the best and they feel great on pool coping. if you skate transition give them a shot
Ace are my favorite! I tried them ever since Theeve stopped making their design a thinner profile. I like the turns and I feel like they have a tighter pop than with other trucks even if the landing is loose. I definitely ride mine tighter now coming back to skating tho. I agree about the lifespan but I mostly skate parks with soft steel, harder steel coping will eat these up. Great vid!
Running AF1 Low with Bones Hard (black). Wheel base matches Indy Forges Hollow if your wondering. I'm thick like Foy, so it fixed the squirrel factor, giving me the stability and pop of Venture lows...
In my experience Aces are great for transition, Thunders are great for street and Indys are very good at both. So I usually ride Indy hollows most days at the park since I skate both the bowl and street during sessions. Though I do have a dedicated bowl board that has these Aces on them on a 10 inch board(at it's widest, it's an old school board with just a tail) that I love and use when I meet my friends there that only rise bowls.
@@hollow_w33n it’s all preference. I have setups with indys and thunders. Thunders are lower so they give you a better feel for the coping and make me feel more stable while indys are taller and therefore give me a more responsive turn. Also Indys feel great on chunky pool coping
I found putting in the hard bushings made a difference with the squirrely response you were talking about. Hard bushing battle that, but you still get the turn. Yeah, you got to push a little harder, but then at least it's deliberate and not just landing a little off. I only skate street and I've been on every truck you can think of since 1990. . . I love Ace trucks. . but I own Thunder, Indy, Venture, and even some other weird ones LOL. Every truck has it's place depending on setup and purpose.
Wheelbase, hight and probably weight can affect each deck differently aswell. Board madness has made me realise that you probably need to own and try every truck brand and they won’t always feel right on different boards. Expensive hobby 😂
Nailed it in the first 2 minutes. I was an ace pilot for quite a while. One night I had a dream about riding Thunders again and I’ve never looked back. They actually turn faster than ace if you ride them loose enough. Of course you have to deal with wheel bite but there are many ways around that. They go straight too, imagine that. You don’t have to land in a carve after the trick. Aces have pretty shitty QC as well- the only trucks I’ve broken in 5 years and I’ve taken many thunders to the axle. I know the hype is big about Ace, but I feel like I’m 5 years ahead riding Thunders.
Seems like Indy and Thunder appear to be ahead in quality and overall positive feel, but the hype around Ace will be here for awhile since many cool skaters ride them.
@@kmrskates one thing I hate about Indy’s is the hangar is always so loose in the pivot cup, the way it sits inside the pivot cup it’s always just janky and loose, if they could fix that they would be the best
I run the af1s. I've just picked up skateboarding again after a long break for some context. I found out of the box they were way too loose for me, I'm a heavy dude so every time I'd set up for kickflip the board would turn. I ended up running indi super hard bushings and doubling up the top washer on the kingpin to stiffen it up. It feels pretty sweet now.
I've struggled for years to find the perfect setup. I had indy 159's on my 8.125 recently, I've had thunder 147's on my 8.5, and I've had indy 169 on my 8.38. I am now settled on a 8.25 with thunder 149's and 55mm wheels and it is damn near perfect for me.
@@DilbertHernandez yes. I’m built different doe. Those other setups actually worked pretty well for me oddly enough. Each set up has its slight imperfection but unique advantages nonetheless. The current setup is close to perfect for me but there are certain tricks I can’t do on it that I could do on my 8.38 + 169 board such as transition skating. This one is a good middle of the road board.
I grew up doing slalom boarding alongside park skating and these things feel a lot like the trucks I'd run on those boards. I even find myself doing little twitchy pumps to get speed between ramps and that's not something I can normally do on my park boards. I love them, but then I'm not a techie skater at all.
2nd day on my Ace 55s and my king pin nut came of airing off a little kicker. The hanger, top washer, a bushing flew off and I slammed and landing straight on the kingpin.
Aces are so good. Especially with a krux bushing in the front, a dohdoh ultra hard in the back, swap the pivot cups for thunders, and add a grindking kingpin.
Ive tried all 3 so far, regular indies/hollow forged, thunders, ace 55 classic my oppinion is i have the best style with aces and i have the best consistency with thunders, indies were kinda in the middle, thunders lasted 2.5 years, aces are more brittle, indies obviously last a while too
I’ve had the same situation with “looseness” with my current Tensors but I think the more lose they become over time the better responsiveness your muscles have which in turn once you swap out & get new trucks you’ll have even more sense of control because you had to be so precise in your balance.
imo aces are the perfect transition/vert trucks. great carving and smooth grinds on pool coping. when it comes to street/techy stuff u cant go wrong with indys tho
makes sense, a great, responsive turn cannot at the same time be super stable. there is always a trade off, and I really enjoy that about trucks. thank you for pointing that out and differentiate, I was thinking about buying these trucks on sale, but I will reconsider now, since I like the trucks on my park board more like Nyjah does :P more stability to balance out my lack of ... balance. Also Aces have a short wheelbase, shorter than indys even so combining them with a deck with a long wheelbase seems mandatory for a tall guy like me. who knows, I'll look into it again.
A lot of Indy users skate the hollows forged or titaniums which both come with a forged baseplate which is only 53.5mm, so for most it's just a 0.5mm difference from the AF1s in terms of height
Yep I’ve been sticking to Indy standards because of price but when I found out the height difference I said I’ll never fork over more $ for a shorter truck.
You dont need to see your wheels though. Erick Winkowski puts Independent 159's on his 9'5 decks, and i've read somewhere if your truck size is like an inch or so smaller than your deck size it helps the (bigger) deck flip easier since the size and weight distribution forces the rotation 'inwards'. Andrew Reynolds does this too on his decks!
@@giftedhater3087 thats alright dude, i'm surprised you even took the time and courtesy to react! I think it all comes down to preference like you said 😎👌
Very valid over view. Aces are awesome, I’ve skated most of the main trucks available and aces are definitely the one for me. They just work well. I completely get where he’s coming from on terms of how they’re unstable at times; every person that steps on my board always get speed wobbles. The only thing that indies have on aces is that they slap curbs better and rough surfaces. Apart from that they’re a superior truck in my book.
They have a smaller wheelbase than indies, thats why they so turney. You can counteract that if u get a board with an wide wheelbase, that would make the board more stable, and give you heavier and steeper pop. If u want a light pop than go with small wheelbase
you are bang on when you said ace's make tricks harder since they are squirrelly. I switched out my aces for Indys when skating street and skating aces riding transition and bowl
I feel like any truck gets squirrely if you have the wrong bushings. I feel like people don’t give bushings their correct due. They are heart of the truck. In my opinion. I was an indi guy all my life then I bought a pair of Ace trucks. Love em.
If the trucks are made fully aluminum ace should anodize them to keep from flaking and would actually make them last longer. I run a anodizing line and that would be their best bet
Crazy, just today was wondering if anodizing was a thing on trucks, end up on this video and see this comment. Im actually planning on gettin into this anodizing biz btw
After skating aces a bit independent trucks feel really dead in the middle. I get freaked out wondering if/when the board is gonna turn. Then all of a suffen the independent trucks start turning rapidly. If you want immediate, linear turning response aces will feel good. If you don’t, they won’t.
I had the same issue with the flakey and stabby issue with my Thunders after skating a DIY ledge. I think it's just how it is after grinding through metal that's significantly harder than aluminium, it's going to tear it apart.
I bought a set of classics and the wheel base difference was insanely noticeable coming for a set of ventures. I air ball my kick flips from time to time but they have the smoothest grind out of any truck ive skated. I feel like I can sit in a manual hella long. Shout out Mango Milic
Crazy bro, I'm about to switch from ventures to ace's, had a go on a mates set up and noticed the same thing with manny's, they easy af and lock in so nice. You still skating ace's now?
@@luxlucis3256 what’s the kickflips like? I rode trucks fairly tight so if I get some aces, I’ll crank those bad boys within an inch of the bushins life
Great review. The af1’s are definitely alot stronger then any other truck. That has been proven I’ve had the exact same pair as you only difference in black. And with bones hard bushings because I like them abit more stable. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the 66s aka 9 inch trucks with a 8.6 ?
My first trucks were Indys, but then I skated Ventures pretty much the entire 90s/00s and have finally switched to Indys again about 10 years ago. I did have a set of Thunders at one point, and also Orions, but they were so shit.
did not like my aces for a while but i'm pretty used to them now after a year and they definitely sturdied with age. they always felt unstable and cheap though and for some reason the base of the trucks have had a couple chunks of metal just completely break off :? but luckily i am nearly down to the kingpin now and onto new green pastures ;))))))))))))))
You literally had the same trucks and wheels as me. Those black spitfire radials are beautiful. I’m changing back to ventures for street though. Cannot do any techy shit on aces
I'm confused about the fact that neither gifted hater nor the comments section are talking about switching the bushings on your trucks. i don't know much about how trucks work, but as far as i know, the looseness or tightness solely comes from how soft or hard the bushings are and how tight/loose the kingpin is pulled. so that doesnt say much about the trucks, since it can easily be adjusted. please correct me if i'm wrong.
@@Ezzeenow They're amazing. I can't say if they're better than AF1's since I haven't tried those. But there isn't a thing I'd change about the 66 classics. I also like that they're like the only 9.35 truck and they fit my Santa Cruz winkowski board perfectly.
@jonahs697 Yeah I feel the same with my Aces. Someone asked me the other day if I was on a surfskate after a run in a clover bowl. Now that's a good compliment lol 👍 Love my Aces.
They sell pivot cups and bushings, obviously the metal doesn’t effect turn. But ive felt the exact same way about my af1s i dont ever remember feeling like my ace classics lost there turn
I switched to the same trucks from indy. Ever since Indy went to china the quality went down and my 159s didn’t make it a year before they broke. Ace is now the go to
Why don't you just replace the bushings with either Bones Soft or the Ace replacements? Ace bushings don't need to be broken in BUT they don't last anywhere near as long as Indy bushings but then what does? Indy makes awesome bushings once you break them in. I love my Ace AF1 55s and 33s but I still have to ride 215s on my 10" pig boards. GREAT review, btw! Nothing but relevant info and you don't have that annoying habit of repeating yourself. 😆 Keep up the good work and all the best. *Liked & Subscribed.
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Analyzing the fibres of the trucks huh?
Your skate channel is awesome
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giftedhater was totally the type to chew on the collar of his shirt and have it all wet and stretched out all day in elementary school
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Damn. I did that (my shirts just tasted good, nothing wrong with me)
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Babe wake up, Gifted Hater is talking about something.
I hope she got up, this is unmissable
Love how he figured a way to burn nyjah in a truck review.
@Daniel S and you’re some dude who cares a little to much
@@suckseth ironic
Can’t wait for the lurpriv review
gonna come out in 5 months :,(
Grinds. Holding pinch needs getting used too. Turns amazing. Stable.
We need a gifted hater x ben degros collab
Ben is in the comments above us! ;^)
I'm never too interested in product reviews, but hearing American Dad's Steve Smith read them makes them enjoyable.
Really enjoyed how long the "Gettin' Squirrelly" graphic appeared on screen for. Love that lil guy.
Evil gifted hater be like: cariuma makes quality products
Evil gifted hater: steve berra runs his business very well
Evil gifted hater be like: Burberry Erry is my favorite skater
That’s not really the argument he has with cariuma. I’m sure their products are great. We just don’t like the way cariuma runs it’s business
Indy’s age like fine wine. They get better and better the deeper you grind in a groove. Aces are the best trucks ever for filming!
the fact that they get shredded up and sharp and don't last long is a tradeoff on the fact that they grind so smooth. it's just softer metal but it makes grinds so much easier on chunky ledges and shit. very worth it for me
Softer metals make grinds significantly more difficult, like scientifically lol
@@laynurz I'm not sure I agree. My friend has these new Aces and they're definitely softer metal compared to a Venture, Indy, etc. and his Aces grind sooo smooth and buttery compared to any other truck he's ever used/I've ever seen. One day we were skating this chunky ledge and I had my thunders (with grooves) and they weren't even coming close to grinding as good as his Aces were. The Aces were just plowing straight through it like nothing
@@laynurz I wouldn’t say softer they are most definitely smoother. I have been skating them for about 3 months and precious to that went between Indy’s and thunders for about 16 yrs. It was in instant difference. I haven’t had the “flaking” issue he’s referring too and live in nyc so I’m literally skating every type of material haha
@@laynurz harder metals would stop as soon as they hit something. Softer metals would strip as they are being grinded, so i would assume its better for really nasty ledges and shit.
I feel like I'm low key being introduced to modern art every time I watch your videos. I dig it.
It’s always such a treat watching you skate
The shaving happens sometimes when your angle iron is too sharp. I have a small box that shreds my box bad but a bigger box with different angle iron that is fine. Only when I skate the little one, but that angle iron has a very sharp and defined edge. I think that's cause the material is softer but also makes for the best grind imo.
Ace are heavier but they do not feel like it at all. Never once had a thought about the weight of them, but you hear it a lot with indys.
The classics are much cheaper at $40 ish and still really good trucks if the af1 is too steep
Unfortunately they do seem to start to go earlier than most trucks, but like the Hater, to me its totally worth it. I think the deep turn is hard on the bushings/pivot cups. But once I got Ace, my confidence in skating has gone through the roof and I don't think that's a coincidence. I don't feel like they make tricks harder at all and to me have such a fun and comfortable pinch.
i recently bought a funbox so i can skate at home and the angle iron does made my trucks chip off and flakes are everywhere the first few days of skating the box. yeah i agree this happens because of how sharp the angle iron is. also i ride Thunders.
Haha yesssssss!!! My favorite RUclips content posts yes. Dude was thinking how you have different hair all the time you should do a tier list for skaters fashion like who’s got the best and worst fits
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Krux grind out racism review when???
hed still have to throw bones bushings in there, i have krux and other people who ride them can admit their bushings are weird and they skate better with different bushings
I bought some gold ace 44s a few days ago and i love em; they felt close to already being broken in right out of the box. and i agree, the turning is great but squirrellier than most trucks. still i prefer them over ventures and thunders anyway (so far at least)
How would you compare to indys?
Mine felt perfect out of the biodegradable bag lmao. Didn’t loosen them or anything and they’ve been wonderful.
I love trucks that are squirrelly
In my experience as a mainly transition skater, these things react the best and they feel great on pool coping. if you skate transition give them a shot
If you skate, give em a shot. Loose trucks fuck
Ace are my favorite! I tried them ever since Theeve stopped making their design a thinner profile. I like the turns and I feel like they have a tighter pop than with other trucks even if the landing is loose. I definitely ride mine tighter now coming back to skating tho. I agree about the lifespan but I mostly skate parks with soft steel, harder steel coping will eat these up. Great vid!
Running AF1 Low with Bones Hard (black). Wheel base matches Indy Forges Hollow if your wondering. I'm thick like Foy, so it fixed the squirrel factor, giving me the stability and pop of Venture lows...
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Oh wow, love your videos man
Wiggy you watch gifted hater? craaazy, big fan of all your stuff!
when is lower woodland 2 coming out
wiggy watches gifted hater???
In my experience Aces are great for transition, Thunders are great for street and Indys are very good at both. So I usually ride Indy hollows most days at the park since I skate both the bowl and street during sessions. Though I do have a dedicated bowl board that has these Aces on them on a 10 inch board(at it's widest, it's an old school board with just a tail) that I love and use when I meet my friends there that only rise bowls.
Thunders being so low makes skate transition alot easier I think.
@@jamesfru118 i thought taller trucks were better for transition since you're supposed to ride bigger wheels (like 55 or bigger)?
@@hollow_w33n it’s all preference. I have setups with indys and thunders. Thunders are lower so they give you a better feel for the coping and make me feel more stable while indys are taller and therefore give me a more responsive turn. Also Indys feel great on chunky pool coping
I switched to Venture highs for more grind clearance over the kingpin but indys/thunders definitely turn better but i prefer tighter trucks now
Ace trucks are the pitbulls of the truck world, not surprised they bit you.
I found putting in the hard bushings made a difference with the squirrely response you were talking about. Hard bushing battle that, but you still get the turn. Yeah, you got to push a little harder, but then at least it's deliberate and not just landing a little off. I only skate street and I've been on every truck you can think of since 1990. . . I love Ace trucks. . but I own Thunder, Indy, Venture, and even some other weird ones LOL. Every truck has it's place depending on setup and purpose.
Wheelbase, hight and probably weight can affect each deck differently aswell. Board madness has made me realise that you probably need to own and try every truck brand and they won’t always feel right on different boards. Expensive hobby 😂
Nailed it in the first 2 minutes. I was an ace pilot for quite a while. One night I had a dream about riding Thunders again and I’ve never looked back. They actually turn faster than ace if you ride them loose enough. Of course you have to deal with wheel bite but there are many ways around that. They go straight too, imagine that. You don’t have to land in a carve after the trick. Aces have pretty shitty QC as well- the only trucks I’ve broken in 5 years and I’ve taken many thunders to the axle. I know the hype is big about Ace, but I feel like I’m 5 years ahead riding Thunders.
I have to agree I switched from Indy’s to thunder hollow 2’s and they have been great
Seems like Indy and Thunder appear to be ahead in quality and overall positive feel, but the hype around Ace will be here for awhile since many cool skaters ride them.
I have thunders and I ride them super loose and I’ve always been curious about aces but this comment reassures me that I’m not missing out on too much
@@kmrskates one thing I hate about Indy’s is the hangar is always so loose in the pivot cup, the way it sits inside the pivot cup it’s always just janky and loose, if they could fix that they would be the best
@Brandon Mitchell I only notice that when my Indys are either close to the end of their life usually. It is annoying though, so I agree!
Can’t wait for the level of stoke in this video
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The manual on that hump...wow kudos. Impressive stuff man, appreciate the footage.
I run the af1s. I've just picked up skateboarding again after a long break for some context. I found out of the box they were way too loose for me, I'm a heavy dude so every time I'd set up for kickflip the board would turn. I ended up running indi super hard bushings and doubling up the top washer on the kingpin to stiffen it up. It feels pretty sweet now.
I've struggled for years to find the perfect setup. I had indy 159's on my 8.125 recently, I've had thunder 147's on my 8.5, and I've had indy 169 on my 8.38. I am now settled on a 8.25 with thunder 149's and 55mm wheels and it is damn near perfect for me.
gnarly ratios
210’s worked great on my 7.5 blind nine lives deck
So you finally bought a matching deck and pair of trucks, lol
@@DilbertHernandez yes. I’m built different doe. Those other setups actually worked pretty well for me oddly enough. Each set up has its slight imperfection but unique advantages nonetheless. The current setup is close to perfect for me but there are certain tricks I can’t do on it that I could do on my 8.38 + 169 board such as transition skating. This one is a good middle of the road board.
love my ace af1s. they feel super nice and responsive, and super good for carving bowls
I ride the hollowed Indis. Combined a 30% weight reduction I'll probably never deviate from them they are excellent highly recommend.
I grew up doing slalom boarding alongside park skating and these things feel a lot like the trucks I'd run on those boards. I even find myself doing little twitchy pumps to get speed between ramps and that's not something I can normally do on my park boards. I love them, but then I'm not a techie skater at all.
All the bolts are re-threaders as well which has honestly helped out my friends more me super good truck
2nd day on my Ace 55s and my king pin nut came of airing off a little kicker. The hanger, top washer, a bushing flew off and I slammed and landing straight on the kingpin.
Aces are so good. Especially with a krux bushing in the front, a dohdoh ultra hard in the back, swap the pivot cups for thunders, and add a grindking kingpin.
what the fuck
@@finbowles479 factual
Ive tried all 3 so far, regular indies/hollow forged, thunders, ace 55 classic my oppinion is i have the best style with aces and i have the best consistency with thunders, indies were kinda in the middle, thunders lasted 2.5 years, aces are more brittle, indies obviously last a while too
I’ve had the same situation with “looseness” with my current Tensors but I think the more lose they become over time the better responsiveness your muscles have which in turn once you swap out & get new trucks you’ll have even more sense of control because you had to be so precise in your balance.
imo aces are the perfect transition/vert trucks. great carving and smooth grinds on pool coping. when it comes to street/techy stuff u cant go wrong with indys tho
makes sense, a great, responsive turn cannot at the same time be super stable.
there is always a trade off, and I really enjoy that about trucks.
thank you for pointing that out and differentiate, I was thinking about buying these trucks on sale, but I will reconsider now, since I like the trucks on my park board more like Nyjah does :P more stability to balance out my lack of ... balance.
Also Aces have a short wheelbase, shorter than indys even so combining them with a deck with a long wheelbase seems mandatory for a tall guy like me.
who knows, I'll look into it again.
bro that manual revert fakie flip was so good
A lot of Indy users skate the hollows forged or titaniums which both come with a forged baseplate which is only 53.5mm, so for most it's just a 0.5mm difference from the AF1s in terms of height
Yep I’ve been sticking to Indy standards because of price but when I found out the height difference I said I’ll never fork over more $ for a shorter truck.
You dont need to see your wheels though. Erick Winkowski puts Independent 159's on his 9'5 decks, and i've read somewhere if your truck size is like an inch or so smaller than your deck size it helps the (bigger) deck flip easier since the size and weight distribution forces the rotation 'inwards'. Andrew Reynolds does this too on his decks!
I agree he has no idea what he’s talking about
Ishod (for a while) and Shane O’Neill skate smaller trucks than deck too
I just cut this part of the video out, I should not have spoken about it as a fact when it is preferential so that was my mistake
Same, I skate Ace 55s on 8.75 and it’s perfect
@@giftedhater3087 thats alright dude, i'm surprised you even took the time and courtesy to react! I think it all comes down to preference like you said 😎👌
Very valid over view. Aces are awesome, I’ve skated most of the main trucks available and aces are definitely the one for me. They just work well. I completely get where he’s coming from on terms of how they’re unstable at times; every person that steps on my board always get speed wobbles. The only thing that indies have on aces is that they slap curbs better and rough surfaces. Apart from that they’re a superior truck in my book.
Fax. Bones bushings for me even though they fuck up the geometry. Dont care, stock bushings are horrible
They have a smaller wheelbase than indies, thats why they so turney.
You can counteract that if u get a board with an wide wheelbase, that would make the board more stable, and give you heavier and steeper pop. If u want a light pop than go with small wheelbase
“And my ace trucks fuckin bit me” idk why that made me laugh
you are bang on when you said ace's make tricks harder since they are squirrelly. I switched out my aces for Indys when skating street and skating aces riding transition and bowl
I'm on the classics and I'm a fan of those. Excited to try AF1s.
Yoo I watch ur vids
@@imdurgesh9430 heck yeah! I appreciate it.
I feel like any truck gets squirrely if you have the wrong bushings. I feel like people don’t give bushings their correct due. They are heart of the truck. In my opinion. I was an indi guy all my life then I bought a pair of Ace trucks. Love em.
Yea I had the same thing happen mine bit me too but I still love them
I’m just so happy that there is a brain trust between you and Feedback
Another pro to these trucks is they don’t freeze in cold weather so the turning is the same in the summer as it is in the winter
Sold
If the trucks are made fully aluminum ace should anodize them to keep from flaking and would actually make them last longer. I run a anodizing line and that would be their best bet
shh.. 😟You could make some money off of your million dollar idea
Crazy, just today was wondering if anodizing was a thing on trucks, end up on this video and see this comment. Im actually planning on gettin into this anodizing biz btw
Bout to get mine in the mail, looking forward to it.
The cracking is gnarly I thought I was cracking my board
After skating aces a bit independent trucks feel really dead in the middle. I get freaked out wondering if/when the board is gonna turn. Then all of a suffen the independent trucks start turning rapidly.
If you want immediate, linear turning response aces will feel good. If you don’t, they won’t.
Have had aces for 5 years now since my first board lmfao, they're my favorite for sure, only other trucks Ive skated are independents
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Never seen you skate before holy shit bro you sturdy
now that I know you're actually good, I love this channel even more.
I had the same issue with the flakey and stabby issue with my Thunders after skating a DIY ledge. I think it's just how it is after grinding through metal that's significantly harder than aluminium, it's going to tear it apart.
I skate hella curbs on my thunders and there's always flakes a while into the sesh
I skate curbs with indys, never seen that lol. Thunders did flake on me the time I had them tho
They really do turn amazingly and made me ride a little looser than usual. I'm no bowl skater but carving transition on these is pleasurable
My Indy Hollow also grind away and I find shavings of metal when I skate my angle-iron box. I’ve gotten metal splinters from them.
That’s crazy, I’m an only child and ride thunders.
Your numbers are great, bro! Keep it up.
Gold trucks fr. My brother had some gold sk8mafia trucks😎
"My ace trucks bit me"
-GiftedHater (2021)
I'd like to see how brands compare as far as affecting wheelbase at the axles.
these trucks actually allow me to move, shuck, and jive like a steezy person
I bought a set of classics and the wheel base difference was insanely noticeable coming for a set of ventures. I air ball my kick flips from time to time but they have the smoothest grind out of any truck ive skated. I feel like I can sit in a manual hella long. Shout out Mango Milic
Crazy bro, I'm about to switch from ventures to ace's, had a go on a mates set up and noticed the same thing with manny's, they easy af and lock in so nice. You still skating ace's now?
@@luxlucis3256 what’s the kickflips like? I rode trucks fairly tight so if I get some aces, I’ll crank those bad boys within an inch of the bushins life
I don’t like the grind. They originals at least seemed too soft.
Great review. The af1’s are definitely alot stronger then any other truck. That has been proven I’ve had the exact same pair as you only difference in black. And with bones hard bushings because I like them abit more stable. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the 66s aka 9 inch trucks with a 8.6 ?
are the bones bushings the same size as the ace bushings? i was thinking of doing that exact thing if i were to get a set of aces
@@j-mak the bones are 1mm lower then ace bushings and I think the ace af1’s are 1mm higher then the mfg’s I’ve measured them lol
That's because of the 86a bottom bushing. You can try the ace hard bushing replacement
I've enjoyed these overall, but my pivot cups blew out after like, three weeks. However, I really like the weight and how they grind.
I reckon the 2gram difference in weight would probably be in the logo, embossed versus debossed
Can’t wait for the lurpiv review 😋
My first trucks were Indys, but then I skated Ventures pretty much the entire 90s/00s and have finally switched to Indys again about 10 years ago. I did have a set of Thunders at one point, and also Orions, but they were so shit.
did not like my aces for a while but i'm pretty used to them now after a year and they definitely sturdied with age. they always felt unstable and cheap though and for some reason the base of the trucks have had a couple chunks of metal just completely break off :? but luckily i am nearly down to the kingpin now and onto new green pastures ;))))))))))))))
You literally had the same trucks and wheels as me. Those black spitfire radials are beautiful. I’m changing back to ventures for street though. Cannot do any techy shit on aces
I can't get over how much the gold AF1s look like how I pictured C3P0's unit
They get tough to grind where you’re at. Then for some reason they get back to where they were. It’s like the inner metal is different
My fav truck I just take my top washer out and it feels perfect
i swapped my bottom bushings on mine and it made the stability better
I got the flaking with my indies and I got a splinter from it. Got ptsd from it and now I can’t mall grab
It helps with instability if you tighten them a little like any other truck
I'm confused about the fact that neither gifted hater nor the comments section are talking about switching the bushings on your trucks.
i don't know much about how trucks work, but as far as i know, the looseness or tightness solely comes from how soft or hard the bushings are and how tight/loose the kingpin is pulled. so that doesnt say much about the trucks, since it can easily be adjusted.
please correct me if i'm wrong.
I just got the classic 66’s to save money. Haven’t disappointed me at all
So you have some time on your classics, how do you like them? I just bought the same. 66 classics.
@@Ezzeenow They're amazing. I can't say if they're better than AF1's since I haven't tried those. But there isn't a thing I'd change about the 66 classics. I also like that they're like the only 9.35 truck and they fit my Santa Cruz winkowski board perfectly.
@jonahs697 Yeah I feel the same with my Aces. Someone asked me the other day if I was on a surfskate after a run in a clover bowl. Now that's a good compliment lol 👍 Love my Aces.
i ride aces w 1/4th risers. by far my favorite trucks.
They sell pivot cups and bushings, obviously the metal doesn’t effect turn. But ive felt the exact same way about my af1s i dont ever remember feeling like my ace classics lost there turn
You’re one hell of an entertaining ripper!
All about those Venture 6.1 after skating Aces for years. Lower stock KP for me please. Still good for curbs and bowls too.
Gifted I hope you know your videos are pretty popular in the free skiing community.
Thank you this was very informational for my brain
I switched to the same trucks from indy. Ever since Indy went to china the quality went down and my 159s didn’t make it a year before they broke. Ace is now the go to
solid review. some really sick skating tho! shredding
Why don't you just replace the bushings with either Bones Soft or the Ace replacements? Ace bushings don't need to be broken in BUT they don't last anywhere near as long as Indy bushings but then what does? Indy makes awesome bushings once you break them in. I love my Ace AF1 55s and 33s but I still have to ride 215s on my 10" pig boards. GREAT review, btw! Nothing but relevant info and you don't have that annoying habit of repeating yourself. 😆 Keep up the good work and all the best. *Liked & Subscribed.
Best trucks in da game especially when you keep ‘em really really fuckin loose
you don't turn from tilting the truck when you're in a manual though... the wheels only turn with the lean when 4 are on the ground.
Amazing video as always, Even though I haven't watched all of it yet
I ride indys but I have aces on my zip zinger. Mad fun setup
thank you for not forgetting the timezone joke