.357 Magnum - Powder coated 158gr with Alliant 2400 for the Henry Big Boy
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2017
- Full house 357 Magnum tests in my Henry Big Boy Silver.
UPDATED 09/27/2018 - All links have been removed to comply with RUclips content policies.
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I love your methodology. Really great tutorials for people to follow developing they're own loads.
Check with the Speer loading manual. They warn against using magnum primers with 2400. It increases the pressure level.
My OCD would have forced me to make that 50th round.
Johnny , about your dilemma of using magnum primers at the beginning , not sure why , I have been under the impression that they were only needed in loads above 60 something grains , 60 , 65 or 68 or something like that . Been realoading a while now , but find your videos really enjoyable to watch because of the powder and primer combinations you try and your load work ups . I only reload for 1 pistol at this time , and have been for 15 or so years but have recently bought dies and such for a couple rifles one of which I don't even own yet . It is really nice to have a wealth of information available at my fingertips . Thanks so much for taking the time to produce and upload this knowledge .
2 videos in one day. I'm hooked
Dig some of the bullets out of the dirt and let us see the expansion. Great video. Looking forward to the revolver test.
Another great video. Those first 5 you tried seemed like money and they thump pretty good to. I like reloading for the 357 & 38 Spc mostly use Blue Dot for light plinking loads it's like shooting a 22.
Hey Johnny, to my eye in two quick reviews of your fine video, it looks to me like your shots are ok windage wise but pretty consistently 6 o'clock low. Keep up the good work. Love my 357 Big Boy, it seems to like Hornady 125 and 158 XTP's equally over both 2400 and H110 which are giving me 1/2 to 3 inch groups at 108 yards. Also have shot many hard lead cast boolits but to lesser precision. Have yet to try powder coated stuff but sure enjoy the videos that you, Elvis, Thorsaxe and Fortune Cookie put up. Good work all and thank you all.
In the Speep #9 loading manual which I have used a lot for .357 all loads with 2400 powder and 158 grain bullets all call for magnum primers. I use several different loading handbooks and 3 of 5 use magnum primers with 2400 powder.
2400 predates magnum primers by decades, doesn't it?
back when reloading components were readily available to the public.
You should have thought forward as many people did when obama was first elected.
The original Hercules 2400 powder was a gtreat match for 158 grain. 357 heavy loads. I loaded a lot of those in the 70's. 2400 has a fair amount of muzzle flash and will leave some powder granule debris after firing. Clean the extractor star area carefully or the revolver cylinder will bind. BTW - I always used magnum primers with 2400.
Ah, I remember when Alliant pistol powders like 2400 were commercially available in practice. (See also Unique, Power Pistol …)
Probably have to develop some H110 loads instead for this project if done today.
I like the 'M' die instead of a conventional flare. it is a socket and starts the bullet straight in the case. Had much less oopsies with it.
Load it like the 357 was originally loaded, you'll see it really come alive!
My Rossi R92 .357 lever rifle is super fun. I think all these old designs have their own quirks. With my rifle it's the terrible awful loading gate. Has taken almost a year to get it worn in so it doesn't tear up my thumbs to load it.
the alliant data online specifies regular small pistol primers
Skinner peep sight, got it on mine, best sight made.
Any chance you are going to get to the Winchester 296 load for your cast projectiles sometime soon? Love your 357 videos!
I watch a lot of your videos. I am sitting here watching it and for some reason I had it muted. Your hand starts waving around and moving and I just started thinking of the hand on the Adams Family that came out of the box.
I can not stop laughing, I probably should take it off mute but its funny........
Johnny. Nice video , 2400 was the way to go. I'm using 125 gr with 2400 in a gp100 match and it shoot wonderful. It's a nice load.
Nick L Gp100 Match Champion club!!
michael grossman I'm in love this gun . This is 3 red 357 revolver and I think it's the best.
Nick L 3 red?
michael grossman Sorry for my fat fingers that hit the wrong keys . I have 3 357 revolvers a colt , ruger, security six . The one I enjoy is the GP 100 match grade . Shoots great
Johnny, I get the same markings , not really a bulge, when doing the first sizing on my 357 brand new Star line brass!. Yes before ever being fired!.. Im not seeing it on other brass after firing, So i"m thinking it's the new Starline, A micro pinch big? . And the die sizing it properly the first time.... Im using brand new set carbide RCBS dies.. Your friend Dave in Mich........
Hi Johnny. Thanks for your videos I've been binge watching them and I think you have the perfect balance between theory and practice. You've earned my subscription. Is it just me or is the noise report on the 357 mag very mild when compared to a 223, or most other rifle centre fire cartridges?
P.S. I have the same scope you were having parrelax issues with in your loading for deer video. I solved the problem by adjusting the eye relief, i.e. moving the scope closer to or further from you. Cheers. T
Aahhhh, your friend the ladybug is there around 11:00 on the dies in the background :)
minutemanqvs and at 9:30
Granted a old video I have the same rifle and there is no ejecting the cases smoothly. You have to do it with authority or it will fight you on both ejecting and chambering.
I have revisited this video and just noticed the author of the video has the same problem I have had firing a lever gun from a bench. Tilting the rifle to have enough room to work the lever.
Did you ever figure out the case bulge problem? I experienced the same problem with 357 reloads in a S&W 686 using Unique and 158 grain bullets.
I miss your casting / shooting cast bullets.
Don't feel bad my marlin 45 long colt cowboy rifle bulges a little at the bottom of the case as well. I think the chamber is a little big. But they all resize back out. And I love these 158 grain Lee bullets. Wish I had a 357 mag rifle. Does the Henry feed 38 special ammo as good as 38's? Any problems with any type of ammo with your rifle? I have a golden boy 22 mag rifle that seems to feed well. I shoot the Lee 300 grain RNFP gas check bullet in the rifle. Live shooting cast ammo that I made myself. Are u using wheel weights and quenching?
great video please set your sights or how about a scope? my load 12.3 2400 in my henry.
You mentioned your rounds were made with range scrap; did you mixed that lead with any other leads to harden it? What’s the bhn on those bullies? I’m getting into casting and have the same mold you used for those rounds. Thanks and Merry Christmas
what type of digital scale do you have again? I like how it measures to a hundredth of a grain
Nice JRB TFS
I kinda dug the old finger spin ya did ther
Henry makes a beautiful gun, but for the price and smooth function find a pre-Remington Marlin.
My book shows 14.8 as a max I currently load 15.5 grains. No sign of over pressure. Ruger sp101 4.2"
How fast is the load moving?
It looks like your resr sight is on its lowest setting. Raise it up a step.
And see where it shoots.
Thanks for the bideo.
John Davis jax fl
Is that data book out of a revolver or rifle....I get about 200 to 300 fps more out a rifle when loading on handgun data.
Yours is not ejecting right....I have the same gun in a carbine.
I think you need a nice little 1-4X scope for this rifle.
This is your eyes speaking......"please protect us" ;-)
I love that gun
I don't think Henry's like the bullets you had there. It cycled fine with the Hornady projectiles right? I just bought a golden boy. I'm watching videos to figure out do's and don'ts even the manual said they can be picky. Revolvers eat everything because they don't have to feed or eject.
Full house 357 magnum? Try out some Lilgun! you should be able to push that bullet to 2,000fps from your rifle. Over 40% more uumph! I use the same bullet but mine drop at 164gr and leave the 16" bore right at 2,000fps(1456ft/lbs ME). I use 158gr jacketed data for my coated lead pills. They are 6 grains heavier but the coated lead bullets develop much less bore friction(pressure) than a hard copper jacketed bullet. and Yes, I realize I am in uncharted territory here using full tilt lilgun loads with lead bullets.
That brass bulge is normal and much more apparent in brand new brass.
Thanks for the tips and info. I have plenty of Lil' Gun so I will be testing it soon!
I personally use 18gr of lilgun in a starline case, CCI SRP or SPM, 164gr powder coated bullet cast from clip on wheel weights. Of course start low(15.5-16gr) and work up. I suggest stopping at 18gr. You wont see significant velocity gain above that. I worked up to 19.5gr and saw a sign of possible case head separation. not common with straightwall brass but leverguns are known to do this with hot loads. Im ok sending the 164gr hunk of lead out at 2,000fps.
What happened to this series. It needs a revive.
I'm putting more than 17 grains of 2400 using Magnum primers 158 grain bullet 6 inch 357 Vaquero, I wonder if I'm overdoing it
Hopefully, you’re using published load data and not guessing
I use std cci or federal primers 11.5 gr 2400
why do you only have 8000 subscribers???? "if it blows our face off, well it blows our face off" hahah
It would be nice if you would dive into it a little deeper. It is a known fact that the original 357 load (for many years) was around 15.3 gr. of 2400 under and 158 gr. bullet. @ 1550 "ish" from an 8 inch revolver. You can test it and the velocity checks out. If the original load "by definition" is the "original pressure". I have a hard time believing you actually think the Henry is not at least as strong as the original S&W Registered 357 mag. revolver...Probably twice as strong.
Adjust those sights bro. You'll have much more fun!
I don't think magnum primers have much advantages
I thought the groups were pretty good until you said it was about 20 yards.
Also your Brass shouldnt be bulging like that, I think your chambers pretty sloppy if they bulge like that.
I bought about 500 used brass that had a similar bulge and the dies took the bulge out and the cases havent failed.
My Marlin and Ruger do not bulge the cases even with higher pressure loads (in the 14gr 2400 range)
That's what I was thinking. Seems to be a pretty sloppy chamber.
Those, Johnny, are Seattle Seahawks colors.
Go Seahawks, and take the Mariners with you...
you ever finish your hunting load for the 6.5?
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Johnny's Reloading Bench cool I'll check it out. thanks for posting these they are very helpful.
I need to send you some hard cast, about 15 bhn to try.
Does the powder coating on those bullets help prevent leading?
Yes
Yes and the even bigger advantage, in my experience, is that the main thing that gets guns dirty is the cast bullet lube burning up and leaving carbon buildup everywhere. I shoot thousands of hard cast, coated bullets per month in like 11 different cartridges and my guns stay clean for much longer. I have a couple 357 revolvers that like to gum up quickly when shooting traditional cast bullets, like within 20-30 rounds. I can shoot hundreds of coated bullets through each one before this happens.
@@desertfox2020 What does the coating do to the diameter of the bullet?
So much for moving your rear sight....How about it
Hey Johnny I'd like to make a request for a low charge target load of 38 special. Recently I've got my uncle into guns and he purchased one of those titanium s&w 38s but I can tell he's a lil bit intimated with its recoil. I plan on making him some low recoil loads but I figured I'd get some input from you too. Any help would be appreciated thanx
jreg0028 I'm not Johnny, but I can tell you I use a 158 grain cast bullet over 4 grains of Unique in my Ruger LCR as my light load.
jreg0028 the lightest recoil loads Ive shot were 148grain hollow base wadcutters over 2.8 grains of Bullseye or titegroup. Both work great. By the way, its also the most accurate load Ive shot from a hand gun. It was the go to load for PPC Shooting for decades. I've used that load to get many folks hooked on shooting.
Cpnpd922 thanx for the reply. I want to say I saw a similar load with the 158 in the lyman 46th if I remember correctly. right now I have access to some 125 and 158s and just so happen to have the powders you guys recommended. I love this community thanx again guys
125gr Xtreme plated over 3.9gr of titegroup in a .38spl case shoots fantastic out of my gp100, and recoils like a .22
Try out some 105gr SWC bullets. If you want to use a 158gr, a charge of 3.4gr HP38/Win231 is a very pleasant load to shoot.
fix your sights this is painful to watch!
He has his rear sight all the way down according to his last video. He needs to move the rear sight UP, not down like he is thinking. After he moves the rear sight up, he can drift the rear sight to the right a bit.
Watching you shoot, No Wonder They Make You Boys Hunt With Shotguns.
LMAO...I'VE HAD WORSE DAYS....just not on camera..ROTFLMAO.
I liked your video, but for me it could be a lot faster and shorter.
Large loops suck ass.
You will be able to run that bad boy better with a normal one.