Great Video!!! After watching your filtering video I place filters before the saturation on sounds that don't need excessive highs & that really helps! Also don't use oversampling when I hard clip the drum peaks on a stereo mix. So I totally agree that there are times when U can avoid it 😁
Thanks, D! Intuitively I always enabled oversampling on clipper plug-ins. I had the feeling that a little extra precision on such "intrusive" tasks wouldn't be a bad idea.
When you're dealing with really short events, it's possible that the little bit of extra distortion you might get from not using oversampling could actually help the transient cut through, even though you're shaving the transient off.
MAN!! Thank you SO much for answering my question! (and no, you didn't butcher my name Lol). Thank you for explaining this and everything you do in such a complete way (and exposing the BS too). You are the man, Tanks a lot again and again!
This video clarified a lot for me. I guess when it comes to aliasing vs. oversampling, it goes back to the classic saying “all that matters is whichever one sounds better for that song.” Am I wrong?
I came to watch this videos and David come on, the 1st thing I saw was a video of the same old guy as an advertising himself on your channel. Excellent video. Always learning when I watch your videos.
Oversampling can cause pre-ringing or phaseshifts depending on what type of oversampling it is, which can be undesired side effects when using OS. However when your are saturating something melodic that is a focal point in the mix (like vocals or when using an amp sim on a guitar solo), you might want to oversample because you gain more than you lose
very cool! how do I oversample? I looked at some of my plugins while watching this video but couldn't find any settings. Only on 1 distortion plugin.. thank you!
For a good while I was thinking that the higher oversampling (like x8, 16 or 32 even) the better. But recently I learned that the amount of oversampling dramatically alters the sound (BIG TIME!). For example I often use clipper on the snare track. I found that sometimes oversampling on this clipper as low as X2 sounds better than x8 or x16. Would you agree? Thanks.
What's most likely happening is the clipping is adding a ton of harmonics (as it does) and the lower oversampling rates may be removing less extra ones (usually, but not always, unwanted ones). When you oversample one of the main things you are trying to avoid is aliasing from the added harmonics folding back down from Nyquist and entering the audible range by raising Nyquist up by 2x 4x etc when you oversample, and then filtering off everything unwanted whilst in the inaudible range before it folds back down. Another side effect of adding aliasing harmonics can be inter modulation frequencies (new harmonics created from the interaction of modulating frequencies, think FM synthesis), which will be amplified the more aliasing there is, as there's even more modulating harmonics (it's usually unwanted as it's not musically related to the original harmonics). Sometimes along with the aliasing these extra intermodulation frequencies can still be slightly present at lower oversampling rates if not using a high sample rate to begin with, especially when doing something so aggressive as hard clipping or heavy saturation/distortion as it makes a lot of extra harmonic content. However, this doesn't ALWAYS sound bad, and a small amount of it MAY sound better depending on the content and context (most often in electronic music or certain special effect sounds as it's normally more noticeably out of place with real instruments). Not all oversampling is made the same BTW. Saying is 2x better than 4x doesn't really make sense to ask in a general context. One programs 4x oversampling may leave in small bit of aliasing harmonics, but another's 2x may 100% remove all aliasing. There's a HUGE difference between how different companies implement oversampling, so be mindful that all 2x 4x is telling you is the sample rate they are oversampling using. It tells you nothing about the filter type, curve, or the cut-off frequency (nor any of the other many variables there can be). And every variable I mention will have some negative and some positive effect. For example A really clean oversampling algorithm that leaves 0 audible aliasing may introduce a lot of latency. etc .etc. Where as another filter that doesn't fully remove all aliasing may be super latency free but distort some of the frequencies in the original sample rate's bandwidth just below Nyquist, which could have an audible effect on the signal due to intermodulation etc. etc.
Me personally? I love oversampling but I only use it when it makes a noticeable difference and I am trying to be more detailed about something. If it's like upfront in the mix and a main element, I'll probably go the oversampling route but if it's like in the background and the oversampling can barely even be heard anyway, for me it's like well why bother wasting the cpu power on this when I can focus it on something else? I mean, that's how I always thought about it anyway.
Question: Does it make sense to use hardware on instruments and the mix bus such us Ssl Fusion and the SSL bus+ to shape all tracks how I like them and then master only with plugins?
@@JohnWuMastermind mix bus and master bus are the same thing. Also remember in a traditional studio instruments are tracked through a lot of outboard gear and a console probably a Neve. Then they are mixed with a lot of gear and mixed on a console probably an SSL. Then they are mastered through an analog mastering console. All that gear into gear into gear sounds great and isn't too much. I think using your 2 pieces of gear twice will be fine.
How can I oversample when that ability is not built into a particular plugin? I recall there being at least one 'plugin wrapper' that allows for increasing the sample rate going into the plugin. What are other options? Thanks.
I David, great video as usual. I have a question for you regarding reccording some jam sessions reccording setup. (I'M TIRED OF THE AUDIO FROM OUR PHONE RECCORDINGS). We have at our disposal an 8 preamp and 2 instruments/line interface and many mics, XLR splitters and DI box. What I would like to achieve is a good reccording of our jams and improvisations. We reccord using a phone but no one listen to our jams because it sound like ((*^%^%^$^it). We are a 5 piece band: 2 electric guitars / singners, 1 main signer, 1 accoustic drum and 1 bass. All vocals go thrue a PA hence the XLR splitter. If it was your band, how would you set it up in a 12x12 untreated room? Thank in advance and I understand if you dont whant to answer me back.
8 mics and 2 DI. Okay, Mic up kick, snare, 2 Overhead for the drum. 2 mics for singers, 2 mic for the guitar, 1 DI for the guitar (get both because the mics could pick up the drum too much) and DI for bass. Make sure the singers mics don't "look" at the drum directly.
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Great Video!!! After watching your filtering video I place filters before the saturation on sounds that don't need excessive highs & that really helps! Also don't use oversampling when I hard clip the drum peaks on a stereo mix. So I totally agree that there are times when U can avoid it 😁
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Great video. You never fail at touching on things that matter!
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Thanks, D! Intuitively I always enabled oversampling on clipper plug-ins. I had the feeling that a little extra precision on such "intrusive" tasks wouldn't be a bad idea.
That's what White Sea boj teached us and follow the same rule. :D
When you're dealing with really short events, it's possible that the little bit of extra distortion you might get from not using oversampling could actually help the transient cut through, even though you're shaving the transient off.
MAN!! Thank you SO much for answering my question! (and no, you didn't butcher my name Lol). Thank you for explaining this and everything you do in such a complete way (and exposing the BS too). You are the man, Tanks a lot again and again!
This video clarified a lot for me. I guess when it comes to aliasing vs. oversampling, it goes back to the classic saying “all that matters is whichever one sounds better for that song.” Am I wrong?
You are not wrong :)
I came to watch this videos and David come on, the 1st thing I saw was a video of the same old guy as an advertising himself on your channel. Excellent video. Always learning when I watch your videos.
😄 I know, it's ridic
Oversampling can cause pre-ringing or phaseshifts depending on what type of oversampling it is, which can be undesired side effects when using OS. However when your are saturating something melodic that is a focal point in the mix (like vocals or when using an amp sim on a guitar solo), you might want to oversample because you gain more than you lose
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very cool! how do I oversample? I looked at some of my plugins while watching this video but couldn't find any settings. Only on 1 distortion plugin.. thank you!
You set your mixing session at higher SR
@@mixbustv ah ok, it's that simple, thx a lot!
S tier audio video
I noticed on my ssl bus comp plugin that the higher oversampling i used, the brighter and harsher it got.
For a good while I was thinking that the higher oversampling (like x8, 16 or 32 even) the better. But recently I learned that the amount of oversampling dramatically alters the sound (BIG TIME!). For example I often use clipper on the snare track. I found that sometimes oversampling on this clipper as low as X2 sounds better than x8 or x16. Would you agree? Thanks.
What's most likely happening is the clipping is adding a ton of harmonics (as it does) and the lower oversampling rates may be removing less extra ones (usually, but not always, unwanted ones). When you oversample one of the main things you are trying to avoid is aliasing from the added harmonics folding back down from Nyquist and entering the audible range by raising Nyquist up by 2x 4x etc when you oversample, and then filtering off everything unwanted whilst in the inaudible range before it folds back down. Another side effect of adding aliasing harmonics can be inter modulation frequencies (new harmonics created from the interaction of modulating frequencies, think FM synthesis), which will be amplified the more aliasing there is, as there's even more modulating harmonics (it's usually unwanted as it's not musically related to the original harmonics).
Sometimes along with the aliasing these extra intermodulation frequencies can still be slightly present at lower oversampling rates if not using a high sample rate to begin with, especially when doing something so aggressive as hard clipping or heavy saturation/distortion as it makes a lot of extra harmonic content. However, this doesn't ALWAYS sound bad, and a small amount of it MAY sound better depending on the content and context (most often in electronic music or certain special effect sounds as it's normally more noticeably out of place with real instruments).
Not all oversampling is made the same BTW. Saying is 2x better than 4x doesn't really make sense to ask in a general context. One programs 4x oversampling may leave in small bit of aliasing harmonics, but another's 2x may 100% remove all aliasing. There's a HUGE difference between how different companies implement oversampling, so be mindful that all 2x 4x is telling you is the sample rate they are oversampling using. It tells you nothing about the filter type, curve, or the cut-off frequency (nor any of the other many variables there can be). And every variable I mention will have some negative and some positive effect. For example A really clean oversampling algorithm that leaves 0 audible aliasing may introduce a lot of latency. etc .etc. Where as another filter that doesn't fully remove all aliasing may be super latency free but distort some of the frequencies in the original sample rate's bandwidth just below Nyquist, which could have an audible effect on the signal due to intermodulation etc. etc.
Hey Dave, one simple question: did you delete some of your Videos? For example about p42 and Black Box Plugin Review. Best regards
I've never had a black box plugin review, I have the black box analog test and it's there
@@mixbustv oh my Bad Then. But i remember you did a p42 climax Review for sure. Couldnt find that either
@@danzo9528 never trust your memory, only your ears ;p
@@st33Npuist man im 100% sure it was Even Named something like my new Favorite plugin :O
P42 does not even exist
Usefull video, tank you
Me personally? I love oversampling but I only use it when it makes a noticeable difference and I am trying to be more detailed about something. If it's like upfront in the mix and a main element, I'll probably go the oversampling route but if it's like in the background and the oversampling can barely even be heard anyway, for me it's like well why bother wasting the cpu power on this when I can focus it on something else? I mean, that's how I always thought about it anyway.
On rendering, always the whole chain. So easy in Reaper, but after your tip.. hrm. Not being Mr. Smartass, haha.. thanks.
Question:
Does it make sense to use hardware on instruments and the mix bus such us Ssl Fusion and the SSL bus+ to shape all tracks how I like them and then master only with plugins?
Not really
@@mixbustv Wouldn't using them again on the master bus make the track sound a bit too much?
@@JohnWuMastermind mix bus and master bus are the same thing. Also remember in a traditional studio instruments are tracked through a lot of outboard gear and a console probably a Neve. Then they are mixed with a lot of gear and mixed on a console probably an SSL. Then they are mastered through an analog mastering console. All that gear into gear into gear sounds great and isn't too much. I think using your 2 pieces of gear twice will be fine.
@@NoQualmsTheArtist Thanks for the info!
How can I oversample when that ability is not built into a particular plugin? I recall there being at least one 'plugin wrapper' that allows for increasing the sample rate going into the plugin. What are other options? Thanks.
Reaper can oversample the whole chain regardless of the plugins
Mix at higher SR
@@mixbustv higher sample rate increases the amount of intermodulation distortion, right?
I David, great video as usual.
I have a question for you regarding reccording some jam sessions reccording setup. (I'M TIRED OF THE AUDIO FROM OUR PHONE RECCORDINGS). We have at our disposal an 8 preamp and 2 instruments/line interface and many mics, XLR splitters and DI box. What I would like to achieve is a good reccording of our jams and improvisations. We reccord using a phone but no one listen to our jams because it sound like ((*^%^%^$^it). We are a 5 piece band: 2 electric guitars / singners, 1 main signer, 1 accoustic drum and 1 bass. All vocals go thrue a PA hence the XLR splitter. If it was your band, how would you set it up in a 12x12 untreated room? Thank in advance and I understand if you dont whant to answer me back.
8 mics and 2 DI. Okay, Mic up kick, snare, 2 Overhead for the drum. 2 mics for singers, 2 mic for the guitar, 1 DI for the guitar (get both because the mics could pick up the drum too much) and DI for bass. Make sure the singers mics don't "look" at the drum directly.
@@mixbustv Thanks a bunch David 👉