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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- We can finally put to rest the debate between what is called the "front" or the "back" of a room.
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I wonder how many people enter their house through the back door? 🤔
Funnily enough, the house I lived in when I was little the garage was separate from the house and had a walkway that led to the back door. So 99% of the time we entered the house through the back door. We still referred to it as the back door, back yard, and back of the house. If that's what you were pondering? lol :]
Many have "mud rooms"
@@andychrist2922 yup! The house I was talking about, the back door opened up to the "utility room", where our washer and drier was, and is where we took our shoes off, especially if they were muddy and wet from snow/rain
Honestly I do
So we just gonna pretend teachers teach from the back of a room.
Depends did you enter to learn or get an ass whoppin
wtf does a teacher have to do with the orientation of a room are you autistic lmfao
Not all classrooms are the same
They teach normally near or next to the front door. Same with most smart boards. They’re next to the door. So they teach in the front of the classroom. Also the same reason why you present infront of the classroom
@@chriswilson9723 depends the university I teach at has doors mainly opposite the professors desk there’s like 1 a floor that has it near the desk
Think it depends on the room; I’d say wherever the focal point is (at least in destiny) is the front ie if the boss is opposite of where you enter then you entered through the back of the room
If you walk through a door that leads to a room with only one exit, are you at the front of the room or the back? Rhetorical question
It literally has nothing to do with the direction your character is facing. Rooms are described relative to the entrance of the room. Front is the entrance, back is the direction that represents the farthest area from the entrance. Front doesn't mean "in front of you" it means "front entrance".
Oh so some teachers teach from the back of the room? And movie theaters have the screen in the back?
@@andrewbianchi6914 Where the teacher teaches from is irrelevant. The correct phrasing when describing a room is relative to the rooms entrance. Once again, we're describing the room itself, not the things that are in the room.
@@NeoacardiaI see both sides, and if the raid group agrees on one or the other, or something less debated (like “boss and spawn” or “window and stairs” or somethin like that) I’ll go with it. Just voicing my perspective :)
@@andrewbianchi6914yeah, whenever I can steer a group away from “front” or “back” of a room I will, landmarks work way better when communicating a point in space that may not be perceived the same way.
When you walk into boss room what’s in front of you? The boss or the front of the room. In the military it when your fire team goes on missions, patrols , ect. To call out enemies it’s always the way your walking or where the objective is, so a boss might see that room differently but as a fireteam ready to clear that room.
The real answer to this question is that it depends on the room. For the hall of champions, you start at the front and move toward the back. For a typical classroom, its the opposite. If you are on a stage for live theater, its upstage and downstage, and its from the perspective of the performers. It depends on the room. If im fighting oryx, hes at the front, because hes like the teacher. He is the focus of the room. He is also in front of his ship, the dreadnaught. So he is at the front of the room. If im fighting atheon, hes at the back of the room, because hes at his throne of glass. We come in from the front of the room and he aproaches us from the back of it. Its about what the focus is, and if there are exits. Its not a one size fits all thing. It requires context to determine what is the front and what is the back. Disagreement happens when people lack common sense. Teachers teach from the front of the room. Thrones are placed at the rear of the room. Crota is at the rear, its a throne. Atheon is at the rear, its a throne. Oryx is at the front, because he is not on a throne, he is in front of the ship. He is at the front of the ship. Rhulk and nezerac are a thronelike situation but id say rhulk is at the top of the stairs as opposed to the front or back of the room, since you arent really in a room. For nezerac it seems pretty clear that he is on a throne or something like it. Maybe a cell? It gives throne vibes, so I would say he spawns at the rear. Taniks is in the center so its irrelevant there.
I agree, it's definitely situational. It's refreshing to see a well thought-out response instead of just the same teacher example lol thanks for this!
The focal point is the front.
The way I think of it is that the boss is usually at one end of the room and the guardians at the other. You're facing the boss, so that end of the room is to your front, and the other end of the room is to your rear, hence, the front of the room and rear of the room.
For me, my brain doesn't even take into consideration what our attention is on (the boss) when labeling the room. The opposite side of a room from its entrance is just always the "back" in my mind. Like, both things can be true to me, the boss IS in front of us but they are in front of us while standing in the "back" of the room. Kinda like if you open a closet, and someone says "the object is in the back of the closet," you aren't going to open the door, and then just stand at the door frame confused. You'd walk in that bad boi and start searching somewhere around the wall that was furthest from the entrance.
@@SatrixPlaysGames that's also a fair way to think about it.
I guess another analogy would be like, at a concert. The band on stage is at the front of the stadium, and when calling out to the audience at the opposite end, they'd shout out to "the people in the back".
In a boss fight, the boss is on stage, and we're in the audience. Especially considering that most destiny Raid final bosses have just chilled in one general area for the entire fight, as if standing on a stage. They have of course switched this up in Destiny 2 a bit with some of Rhulk's phases and Nezarec especially.
But clearly there are lots of different things to compare boss arenas to, and they're all pretty valid ways of thinking about it.
If it works, it's not stupid.
@impartialthrone2097 I agree. As long as the team is in agreement before the fight starts, then it's all good. I try to adapt to whatever the host prefers. I like your stage example. I have seen it mentioned before but never explained the way you did here. That makrs sense to me
Boss is front, spawn is back. The whole door at the front argument is void as in most classrooms the door is where the teacher is and that is always called the front.
I think we get hyper focused on this teacher example and ignore other possible scenarios. When you walk in a store, does the front door become the back door because the back of the store is in front of you?
Even this example with the teacher supports my argument. You said yourself the side where the door is(and coincidentally the teacher), is the front. Which would make the opposite side of the room the back.
At the end of the day, when it comes to raiding, I actually think we are both wrong because someone will always disagree. Boss and spawn are the only call-outs that shouldn't need an explanation. I have even seen near/far get confused lol
I didn't mean to write a novel lmao. Just in case I sound like a jerk above, I'm glad you stopped by the channel.
Changes based on how you enter and your team. The rear should be the opposite side the boss spawns on unless he’s in the middle wherever they face when they first spawn in is the front this allows you to use the boss as a compass to make a assumption of names and can improve communication
I have friends who do this one but they refer to boss spawn as north and entrance as south.
Yeah. Because you enter the room from the front door, not the back.
Its really easy to explain the teacher thing we are orientating ourselfs to the teacher and the board and the things in the room.
If the teacher and the board move to the opposite side of the room from the normal. We would ask why they moved everything to the back of the room at first but eventually everyone would just say that is the front of the room. Since that is just the normal orientation and flow of what is in the room.
Now take that same example and don't flip the desks and chairs. That is now permanently the back of the room and if you werent aloud to reorient those desks it would be both inconvient and always that the teacher teaches from the back of the room.
In this example we aren't looking at the orientation of a room itself but what is in it and what is in front and behind us.
I think you have left the most thought out argument thus far.
Treat it like a house and the entrance to each encounter is the front door of the house. Do you…
A) walk in the front door and immediately call it the back door once you’re inside?
B) be a normal human being?
Walk into the front of the house, now into the bedroom
Is your bedroom door the back of the room?
________________
| BEDROOM. |
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______/ /________
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______/ /________
FRONT DOOR
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The boss room isn't the house it's a room in a house
Just like the bedroom is neither the front nor the back so is the boss room
But for easy call outs front is in front back is behind
So for the ability to make call outs once in the boss room the door you entered is the back
Counter argument, treat it like a movie theater (this is a piece of media after all, not a residence). Do you….
A) walk in through the front door of the theater, meaning the screen is at the back?
B) Know the screen is in the front like a normal human being?
To think there’s people out here using classroom logic and expect it to hold up in any other scenario.
It’s case by case… You walk into the front of a store.. a Store front… the stock is in the back.
Class room. Furthest from teacher is back of the room.
It’s all case by case but in a one entrance scenario the doorway is the front.
Pretty vex dropped in the back drop of the vog.
Crota has the oversoul in the background.
Oryx fades out of frame into the background.
The bosses are in the back man. Encounter start is the front..
Definitely! But even the teacher scenario that often gets used doesn't hold very well because several people have said the teacher typically teaches from a position near the entrance. So that would still make the entrance the front and the opposite wall the back. But then the front and back swap when it is a boss battle?
On the topic, I get 1,2,3,4 instantly, but using Front, back, left, right takes me a second to process.
I can see that. Like the brain has to take it account where you are positioned versus everything else to orient for front/back/left/right. But with numbers it's literally just the location you have to think about.
Hell yes, ngl most i play with agree that the entrance is front in most cases. Rarely ever side vut hey some times fall thru the ceiling
Yea, in the wild I feel like I run into more people who agree with entrance is front. But I do a lot of lfg and for the most part it seems like near/far wins out. Which I like. As long as we are all in agreement before we start the encounter, then I am good to go lol
Far close and left and right are always set based on the perspective on entry anything else is gross overthinking
It’s simple. Think of it like a play! You’re in the audience. When you sit in the back row, which row are you in?
That works in that situation but doesn't hold up everywhere.
I feel like the front of the room is where your attention should be. The raid boss is the star of the show during an encounter, so wherever they are should be the front. This can apply to classrooms too, the teacher is in the front of the room, and thats because your attention is on them. Basically applies to any room in general. It also doesnt make sense to say ory, rhulk, atheon, aksis, i can go on, to be in the back
For me, it is more of a location label than a focus label. When I call it the back or front of the room, I call it that regardless of if there is any boss at all.
People should just use "near" and "far". No more confusions.
this is the way
I mean if needed this to know that when you walk into someones house through the front door that that is the front of the room...
Ok but it really depends like with oryx we are at the foremost room of the dreadnaught and thus oryx is at the front of the room bc it is the front of the ship.
Changes based on the room. For example…at Oryx…where he spawns in appears to be facing out towards the front of the dreadnought. Hence its “front”…the back of that area is where we come in because facing our target, our backs are facing away from Oryx
I do like the bow and stern logic you used here.
It has nothing to do with teachers, school rooms or anything else. Where you are when you enter a room is always the front. If I tell you to pick up something from the store and you ask where it is and I tell you it's all the way in the back, you know where to go. If I tell you something can be found in the back of the closet, you know it's not by the door. It doesn't matter where your teacher stood, some rooms are oriented differently and that terminology is related to where the instruction is coming from. It's irrelevant. Forget school. In general terms, the back of any space is always opposite the entry point.
Great explanation and examples!
It’s called Ego orientation. If you think the world revolves around you the way you face is the front and behind you is the back.
This doesn’t work in a raid room because you are not the most important person in the room the boss is. That’s why you look at the rear and start in the front.
Bringing in the high level academics to the discussion. I like.
Close and far from where you enter is best. Numbers are confusing for some and front/back is a hotter topic than politics
"a hotter topic than politics" - 😂
sure seems that way
How is this confusong or even for debate. When you enter that room shaxx is IN FRONT OF YOU.
Both things can be true. He is in front of you when you enter but he is located at the back of the room.
No because the first thing in front of you is the FRONT DOOR not shaxx, when you go through the FRONT DOOR you are in the FRONT OF THE ROOM NEXT TO THE FRONT DOOR and as you move through the room you eventually get to the BACK OF THE ROOM where shaxx is standing AT THE BACK REAR OF THE ROOM just like Bungie had to literally write down.
@Loojx I like this and don't think I have seen it said before. How can the front door be called the front door, if the opposite side of the room from the front door is also somehow the front?
@Loojx how dare you use logical reasoning! I disagree (solid point tho)
My logic- its in front of my face when i spawn in. There for its in front of me, it is the front.
Then again im autistic and go with what the group says
My brain defaults to the other way around, not really sure why. But also..
Eyyyy, me too (autistic...legitimately)
Na, nope, no way, I ain’t buying it lmfaooo that’s the front, i dont care, the front is wherever your attention is, the back is where it isn’t. In a boss fight, your attention is the boss, so, that would be in front of you, and the front lmfao
Lmao idk man, I don't think the evidence has ever been better than this lol
But, real talk, I bet they did that on purpose lmao
If I turn around my attention is now different this doesn’t work
@@CookedTooMuch and so it begins 😈
@CookedTooMuch this is actually a pretty good point, imo. I don't think I have seen this one said before
"The boss is front of room", is stupid. You clearly enter the room from one side so I don't understand why or how that's confusing
How about everyone just uses Far/Close or Top/Bottom, no way anyone messes that up
Boss/Spawn to take it up a notch. I actually really like far/near but I have seen even that one become a problem before
I hate the far/near thing. It’s jarring and can disorient.
@@MickeyFKNMouse I like boss/spawn for this reason.
Boss/spawn > near/far > front/back
The answer is whatever makes sense to your team, its completely subjective.
I think of it like a theatre, you enter from the back and the stage where the main event(boss) is located is the stage(front)
I appreciate this example for its uniqueness.
@@SatrixPlaysGamesie the "the stage is front and centre"
Close and far are better call outs anyways
Agreed, or boss/spawn as well
The front of a classroom is whatever direction the desks are facing, regardless of where the door is. I would never enter a lecture hall and say the teacher is in the back of the room just because the door is behind me while I’m seated. The front is wherever the main focus or important details are, and in a raid that’s usually where the boss is. Another great example is a theater. Is the movie screen at the back of the room, just because you walk in from the other side??
It is certainly situational.
Weird. You enter a church & person standing in front of the room preaching. You enter a grocery store & meats are toward the back of the store. You enter oryx throne world & hes in the front of the room. Because hes facing you. Similar to a preacher being in front of room. Same difference
See, I agree that the subject is in front of us, but I don't agree that just because the subject is front of us that that means they determine what part of a room is the front. I guess I'm saying both things can be true. The preacher is in front of the congregation, but they are still located at the back of the church. To me.
@@SatrixPlaysGames fair argument
Or ignore the debate and decide where you enter/spawn is close (because this is from the players perspective) which would make the other side far
@doggess9928 I think the issue stems from some people defining things from player perspective vs. orientation/landmarks. Which don't always align with each other. I like using the "near" and "far" style mostly. But I always try to make sure whatever team I am playing with is in agreement beforehand, but I do a lot of LFGing.
Arguments like this are why I want the token system removed in raids and on the harder modes of you die the rest of the team has to do the encounter with one less guardian or 5.
I think that may be an entirely different debate...might be a good idea for another short :P
Or, hear me out. "Entrance" and "stage" as a sane person should do because there's always only one way in, with no way out. BUT, the boss usually has their own dedicated platform or area in the room. For roaming bosses you could just refer to it as "rink" like hockey because the roaming bosses usually just move or teleport in a circular motion and can be predicted. If you do "front and back" than someone's bound to get confused and people have been arguing about this for a decade now, when really we all know the players "enter" from one direction and the Raid bosses always have the same spawn location and spawn-in animation.
I'm just saying, typically with a room with only one door, you refer to the wall with the door as the front, or "entrance" and the wall you face as you enter is the back. But to keep people happy, just call the area you come in from the "entrance" and everything else whatever your Raid group is comfortable with. But the entrance can't be anything BUT the entrance, there is no exit, you just get locked in the room and the activity is over after you beat the boss, so you can't call the same doorway the "exit" as well. So, remember. "Entrance" and "whatever the hell we're going to call the area the boss spawns."
When I have taught groups, I try to go with "boss" and "spawn." I agree that front/back, near/far, are clear enough for everyone. But boss/spawn should be intuitive enough.
The front of the room is wherever the teacher has their main presentation area or white board. Just think of a boss in a raid like a teacher, wherever there main location is in the room is considered the front. (Mainly referring to oryx) if you entered the room opposite of the teacher and the teacher tells you to go sit in the back of the class room you’re not going to go sit in the closest row to them because that is the front of the room…yall are thinking too hard
Some say 2 + 2 = 4...but if you drop the X and carry the cheese then you get purple.
Completely solid and accurate. And I'm one of the people that would have said that was the front of the room.
Context matters
Most of the MMO raids I did always went with near and far side. The side you enter on is near.
Boss and spawn for us
Always has been the back
This is why i use numbers. L1 r3 never fails
I like using numbers as well. Accompanied with "far/boss" or "near/spawn".
The front and the back of the room depends on the size and layout of the room.
Size? What's the cut-off? When explaining to someone where something is in a closet, it is common to say it is in the back of the closet. I guess if it is too small to walk into? I can see the layout argument, the size one is new to me.
Oryx spawns at the back of the room, end of.
In Oryx's room it's the front of the ship.
I agree but also think it is situational
It has always been enter the front run towards the rear, anything else is just weird, when you go to a house you enter the front door. Only gen z would struggle with this
Lol I'm not sure it is limited to a single generation
Just use boss and spawn.
Bugie is incorrect then.
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Its relative to the group, i dont know why it bothers everyone else so much 😂 quite sad that this is considered an issue that needs sorting
I was just trying to be funny lol but it's almost as bad as politics
I don't know about you but i think that the goal of the entire raid isn't exactly behind us.
True, BUT I think both things can be true. The boss certainly is in front of us, but when I call that part of the room the "back" it is more of a "locational" (brain can't think of the right word atm) way of thinking and has nothing to do with where my attention is focused. If that makes sense.
Bungie is wrong. Your whole life you've walked into classrooms. Is the teacher in the front or back? When you go into a theater is the scrrn in the front or the back? Subject is always in front. Are you sitting in the front row or back row?
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you say that like typically, the teacher is on the opposite side of the room as the door... when realistically, on average, the teacher is right by the door. Making it the front of the room. Boss rooms are the opposite of a classroom on average.
When you walk into a room with no exit other than the door you came through, aka the front door, you would be in the front of the room and you would be looking at the back of the room.
Seeing as how, Oryx for example is in a room with no other exit, the door you come through would be considered the front door, making oryx in the back of the room, not the front.
just because something is in front of you, doesn't mean it's in the front of the room.
you walk in your front door, into the front room and walk all the way to the back wall that doesn't make it the front. You turn around and you're standing in the back of the room looking at the front.
@@hummingbird_saltalamakia - Teacher is in front of the room, regardless of where the door is you enter. Same with a theater, or an airplane or a car. Where is row 1? Doesn't matter where the door is, the subject is in the front of the room. It is the way humans have done it for centuries. Now in gaming we change it? Why?
You enter your house from the front door "on average" same for a boss room. The backyard is opposite the front door "on average." Y'all act like you don't have houses.
Nah that’s the front
Yea nah Shax is at the front...
I'm gonna need some evidence. 🤪
Simple solution. Near/Far.
I agree, but I have seen that one become a discussion as well. But nowhere near the level of front/back. I try to use boss/spawn. If those ones get confused, then I am not sure what to say lol
@@SatrixPlaysGames hmmm, boss/spawn isn’t a bad one. It’s nice to have a few options in the chamber for an special case LFGs😂
That was absolute common sense. The people who think otherwise 100% are crayons in grade school.
Are you accusing the titans of not having a good sense of direction?? ;P
What’s your point? Bungie has used the opposite naming convention to that all the time. The fact you’re only just now getting something that says it that way is just proof bungie got tired of the argument so wanted to make the other side happy after they’ve held so many L’s
I'm gonna need to see some actual proof here. This is the first time I have noticed them label it at all. But without in-game examples to back up what you say I can't give you the win here. I will gladly do so if you've got it.
"What's your point?" Nothing really, just stirring the pot lol 😈
If you open the FRONT door to your house your in the front, then your walk deeper in your house to the BACK of the house shaxx is in the back not the front.
Thats why L2 n R2 in kings fall are twos because they come after one so they're after/rear of the room in the oryx encounter
You can disagree all you want but you face the your houses fromt door when you get out of your car, you cant see the back door till you enter and go through the house, you cant enter through the backdoor because its not there. I swear you're the reason Bungie had to put this in the game if you disagree. Ignorance is bliss, near/spawn - rear/boss
I have seen the 1s and 2s get mixed, as well as the near/far. I think boss/spawn are the true answer. If boss/spawn get confused then I don't know what to say.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
The front is in front of you
The back is behind you
Now walk thru the door and into the room
Follow the guide above
You're welcome
Also knowing bungo the key description is gonna be a typo but in this caelse it was too meaningless to correct
🤔 you make a good "caelse"
@@SatrixPlaysGames you know, I have no idea how my phone auto corrected to a word I can't even pronounce aXd
Walk into your front door. You are standing in the front of the room. Go to the wall furthest away from the door. You are standing in the back of the room.
Just because something is in front of you does not mean it is the front.
in construction, the back wall is furthest away from the entrance of the room. The entrance is the front. the other side of the house is the back.
How is this complex?
@hummingbird_saltalamakia because this is room orientation, not house orientation
The front of a room doesn't have to align with your house
Idk what your house looks like but I've live in house with doors facing left right front and back but just because your room to your room faces the side of the house doesn't mean that the far end is the side of the room, it's still either the front or back of said room, but if you look at a floor plan it would be the side of the room (since everyone likes the refer to a houses predetermined front door for this argued)
So is shaxx in front of you or in back of you?
In front of me at the back of the room.
Why does it matter tho
Why does anything matter??
@@SatrixPlaysGames good point I was just wondering
front of room is where banner is. that’s it. the debate came up because of the oryx room specifically since oryx sits at the front of the dreadnaught so people called it the front of the room and then started thinking about other raid rooms that sit similarly to that. it’s a stupid debate
Lol, I agree. It is silly, but I love seeing all the different arguments everyone comes up with to support their opinion. I prefer near and far, personally.
This is a debate amongst stupid people.....its obvious where the back of the room is.
well yea...Bungie literally says where it is 🙃
Front is "The doorway where you entered the arena"
Why is this so hard to understand. The boss doesnt decide whats the front, you do
I like this take. More people gotta take charge and decide what's what, we don't need no boss!
I can end this whole debate right now: Where Shaxx is standing is 12 O’Clock. Where you walked in is 6. O’Clock.
It's been over a week and half and you haven't even started your armour outta those chests. Better get move on noob!
Much more interested in the weapons. :]
Spawn, far
Feels good to have been doing it right for a decade. 😎
Nope.
The proof is in the pudding
@@SatrixPlaysGames no, no this can't be
People calling it front and back are silly, just call it far side and banner side
Boss/spawn are really nice
Why not just use Spawn and Boss? Or names based on location details where that is not applicable.
Oryx boss fight for example has 4 plates
Spawn left and right
Boss or Space left and right.
Taniks final boss fight has 3 regions
Spawn, Snow and Orange
Taniks descent fight has 4 boxes
Left and right spawn side and left and right taniks side
Every single encounter has this easy to establish and understand system.
See, I still think of and would call where Shaxx is standing the back of the room. But not necessarily because he standing there but because it id opposite from the entrance.
That said, when deciding upon call outs, I prefer doing as you describe here. I also like using "near" and "far", such as during oracles during Atheon.
You enter a home through the front door and the back door is straight ahead
You don’t walk through the front door and now be at the back of the house. Never let this debate die 😂
FINALLY, some common sense!
The debate can finally be put to rest!
Well, they're wrong
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It’s really not the same in every room. Don’t understand why the whole argument is around anyway, like stop being dumb and name it something different/obvious.
people love a good argument 🤷