Denise and Alicia Disagree on Black Food Culture - mixed-ish
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Bow needs to learn about her culture for a school project, and as part of her education, Alicia and Denise give her a primer on Black food culture. The only problem is that they don't agree on what it is -- at all. From 'Love Is A Battlefield,' season 1, episode 4 of mixed-ish. Watch mixed-ish TUESDAY 9|8c on ABC, streaming, on demand, and Hulu.
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Aunt Denise is right: we weren't all kings and queens.
True, but she doesn't have to cut her own sister down for being who she is, especially when they had access to the same opportunities which she decided were stupid!
Cherish O'Neal exactly
My lineage was ...
Not Kings and queens !!! Warriors and Survivors
I'm sure they only took the cream of the crop. So to speak.
"Girl, please. That smell is the struggle burning off". 😂
0:52 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂 I was dying soon as I saw that
Best part
Ngl chittlings smell discusting when there being cooked. I cant eat them cause it smell like shit when there being cooked, but my mom loves them
@@seanshack1872 Hey dont talk about the motherland food like that.😂😂
“We weren’t all Kings and Queens... that’s not even how a monarchy works... We just say that because it sounds nice.”
THANK YOU! Some of these ninjas be really thinking we were all decedents of royalty. But like she said many of our ancestors were regular folks, some of them even slaves for other Africans. Aunt Dee-Dee is keeping it real!
Just wait, you'll be seen as racist. I made a similar comment and a shitstorm ensued. You are correct though
People started saying we were kings and queens in the 70’s to remind us that our story didn’t start as slaves. Clearly the majority were regular people, but we started somewhere else. Somewhere other than a field in bondage in the America’s. That’s the point in saying it.
Smh!
Stephanie Ann shut up
brindisi2brooklyn I ca understand the logic behind that but somewhere the message got lost I guess.
Who eats jollof, egusi and fufu together
Edit: am I the only African here?
🙋🏿♀️ Ghanaian here.. you ain't the only confused one
mojoyin olusola-dada youre not o. But I have uncles that join them all
@@ramabelle6673 shook!!
Nope you're not, I'm half Liberian and I've been eating jollof rice and fufu since I was a little kid.
Ghanaian here 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
Some of us need to be better at picking up references and symbolism.
Here’s a scene analysis if you want to read:
Im African for context. The Jollof, fufu, and egusi on one plate i think is to show the extent of the detachment between African Americans and their African heritage. How else would a regular African American know not to eat those together? They’re just excited to be engaging with their ancestral roots, which you see in the scene - the mother’s excited and somewhat desperate attempt to engage her child with her ancestral roots. But also contrast that with the reality that their roots differ (shown with black soul food) and their collective history differs.
This is a trope you see all the time:
African Americans wearing dashikis casually or head wraps, thinking they’re all king and queens in the mother land, etc
Contrast that again with the view spread by the media in the west that Africa is poor and underdeveloped .The 35 cents a day was a reference to commercials in the 90s/2000s and earlier that claimed you could donate and feed African children for few cents a day.
Also don’t forget historical overlap: hippy movement was 60s-70s, and there’s overlap between that and the black power movement. The latter is important because the BPM was an earlier attempt to get in touch with their African ancestral roots, so it’s not completely impossible that she lived in a commune and learned how to make African dishes
The scene revolves around the concept of identity. It is meant to make you feel uncomfortable and point out how odd it is, because that’s the reality. Trying to reconnect with cultural roots, and trying to figure out your identity in general is always awkward, it’s inaccurate at times, it’s uncomfortable but the point is they’re trying.
This scene wasn’t made to appease Africans by being culturally accurate, you lose a lot of the meaning if it was
Point being, there’s a lot going on in this scene if we can get past just what’s on the plate.
TurquoisePurpleSky Sky I think it’s unfair to overgeneralise because that’s not always the case
But also keep in mind that some people have to. Black/African American is still a minority race, and with that comes power dynamics we have to be aware of. Black people don’t have the luxury of not having to think about that because it affects their personal life, we need to be sympathetic of that
Edit: I don’t know howyou concluded from my comment... but ok
TurquoisePurpleSky Sky oh sorry, then I misunderstood what you were saying the first time
Great comment...don’t seem to be getting much understanding from non ADOS Blacks just ridicule of our perceived ignorance!!😀
You’re too smart for RUclips. Half of these people don’t even know history so they can’t put this together in their minds. It’s irritating.
I agree with you for the most part, but what do head wraps have to do with Africa? Those are for protective styling and bad hair days lol. Nobody’s trying to look like an African queen by wearing one. You seem super smart and should learn more about black hair care because wraps are a godsend and a must.
Y'all so worried about what's on the plate you're missing the point of the scene 🤦🏿♀️
Right! So "smart" that they are stupid
They HAVE to nitpick. They're training to be film critics someday in the never future
Nicole B 😂😂😂
I mean, if they portrayed the culture wrong which is what the scene is literally about, they have a right to be worried about what's on the plate. It doesn't discredit the meaning of the scene.
If someone's culture is bejng portrayed incorrectly you're going to have something to say it's not nitpicking it's rightfully correcting
I see lots of people here upset about her mispronouncing words and eating the wrong foods together.
It's quite possible it was an oversight by the writers. But I think maybe it's also possible that Alicia just didn't know better? If they're descendents of enslaved people, and this is the 80s, then she's probably working from scratch, trying to reclaim some sort of African culture when she's not even sure which part of Africa her ancestors came from.
Yes and in the 80s people often learned to cook from COOKBOOKS. So she read the names of the dishes, she didn’t hear them - so she pronounces them wrong. I think this show is ahead of its time. Some people really seem eager to hate it fsr so they’re just nit picking.
OR the Producers and Directors could have been more responsible and had someone of Nigerian or Ghanaian descent on the panel to get it right the first time. Oh and I am African American.
@@BeccaBeccaBecca22 I agree. Of course they could have had her pronounce these words correctly. But if they were in California which even today is so far removed from African culture, she probably just "sounded" those words out. Today there's the internet and more access to peoples so I think things would be pronounced better. And i think all of the foods not commonly eaten together but in this case cooked on one day and placed together highlights that. It's ignorance. And I mean that in the real sense. Not the one in which it's perceived I'm calling Bow's mother dumb.
@@blendedtonesable or another possibility is that they wanted her to pronounce it incorrectly to highlight her lack of knowledge. People were less informed in the 80s. If you werent fresh off the boat or 1st generation American and you learned those meals from a cookbook or another uninformed person how would you know the perfect pronounciation?
Yes, this was before the internet.
I'mmmmm going to eat both plates LOL....I have mad respect for the motherland but I'm also gonna honor the fact that I am an African Descendant of Slavery....
By eating
Ima eat both cuz I'm greedy🤷🏾♀️🤸🏾♀️🤸🏾♀️🤸🏾♀️
If you are black American, it’s American descendants of slavery. There were Africans enslaved in Africa and there descendants are still there so they are African descendants of slavery.
living life thanks for the correction
And I'm hungry so I'm gonna eat em anyways 😋
🙋🏿♀️ Ghanaian here, Point of fact! Not only royals ate these foods. Everybody did and still do!!!!! What distinguished the royals from the regular people was the clothes that was worn and the meaning behind it.
I actually understand why rainbows mother is triggered by that word. That word alone is both a double-edged sword while having a double meaning. And it holds some heavy weight when used
Yup. It's a sore spot for anyone who was called it alot growing up. B/c it's essentially youe own people telling you you can't do certain things, and live a certain way b/c you are black. And then, you have to prove how black you are to them.
@@brieb402 I wish we talked about this more openly. I think there's a lot of Black Americans who've struggled with their identity because of this. I was made fun of all the time for wanting to engage with other parts of cultures, and I eventually chose to leave the US to get away from the insanity.
Aunt Denise was on point about the food and the monarchy idea.
I heard great stuff about the food though.
I disagree
@@brownbbydoll1777 with her or with me?
I disagree with her, there was no need to disrespect African culture like that.
Venari.x It’s not disrespectful. Not everyone was a king or queen. That’s not how a monarchy works.
When you're Caribbean so you dont eat any of these things
right ha
Gurl!!! we have the best vegan options and can go low carbs!!
Pilau is almost the equivalent of Jollof , Callaloo is almost the equivalent of Collard greens and macaroni pie is Macaroni and cheese . Everything is a variation.
LOL Amen
SAME BRUH SAME 🤣🤣. I was like "But my family is Jamaican, where do I fit in"
A lot of these comments are more ignorant than the claim of ignorance of this skit.
TRUTH!!!
And you're completely missing the point of their criticism. Alicia was actually looking down on the foods African-Americans created after they were forced into North America. She kept claiming that food served in Africa is the real "culture," when she doesn't know what she was talking about. She didn't know the proper names of the food, didn't know that they weren't intended to be served together and didn't even know there were people who weren't royalty in Africa.
It's not just that Alicia was ignorant... it's that she believed she was superior while she was ignorant.
@@josephschmoe2448 I did not miss one point of the skit. I understood it fully and parsed it well. However, you failed to understand my comment being about the comments in the feed. That is why reading and comprehension is fundamental. Try processing that before responding.
@@LilliLamour ... You're right. Reading is fundamental. So, when you say you understood the skit, I believe you.
However, if you actually read and understood my comment to you, it was not about your knowledge of the skit. I said you missed the point of other people's criticism of the skit. You obviously didn't process that before you responded.
Perhaps you should take some of your own advice.
@@josephschmoe2448 your comment did not imply it wasn't about me.
Wait...... bows mom is suddenly dark skin and "woke"? That's literally the total opposite of how she's been represented all throughout blackish
Well, this place BEFORE Blackish. So between here and in that show, she lost her wokeness
@@p.z.arnott2329 And apparently her color too
As I an African, I felt very disrespected by the comments of sending 35 cents a day because we still eat our foods, they needed an African representative to actual tell them that egusi, Jollof rice and fufu...DO NOT GO ON THE SAME PLATE
Jollof, fufu and egusi???
and i oppped !!!🥴
Lol We Africans don’t even eat like that.
You would get such indegestion from that combo.
@@AndWhatIsThisNow Lol it ain't that deep she's an actor.
And Africa is a realky big continent with countries in it. Not everyone eats the same thing
Right? That’s like four meals in one. But it looks like she made it right.
@@ReinaAfricana, the character Tika is playing us meant to reflect how ADOS people can end up romanticizing Africa in our attempt to connect with the continent we were taken from. As a result, we get things wrong. If you're just looking up recipes in books that come from white-run libraries (as they would likely do in a show set in the 80s), you're gonna get some limited details.
It’s the struggle burning off 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
I felt that
😂🤣
the whole "African" plate is offensive to me she mixed how many meals together, and she mispronounced Egusi. I'm glad thought that someone finally said we aren't all Kings and Queens ish was getting tired all black people could not have been royalty in the "Motherland" it's not that deep you can still be great without a royal title.And before anyone jumps down my throat I'm a proud Nigerian with common sense
Uh stfu little one
Lol never thought of it that way about the royalty thing 👌🏾
I think it was done like that to emphasise the fact that African Americans are very dissconected with the culture of their ancestors.
@@Aced84 haha you don't even know my age lol thanks
@@Nolimit2jazfitness a lot of people don't. Being royalty does sound great
Chitlins: “I actually got put out of my apartment the last time I cooked them so I did not bring any.” That’ll do it! 😂
The way she butchered those nigerian food names...
It's not even the butchering of the names that bothers me, it is the abominable combination. You would get so sick if you ate all those things together.
Well maybe because she’s American and it’s called an accent it’s the same as when people from African countries speak english it sounds different not bad just different. Learning about the different cultures on the continent is a start at least we’re making an effort to learn what it is to be Nigerian or Liberian or senegalese give us a break instead of criticizing us for the way we say things or try and prepare cultural dishes just give positive advice because we are trying make a connection back to the motherland that’s all and sometimes people just don’t know unless they have actually been to a country.
@@pamelagilmore7222 I understand what you are saying. I have my relatives laugh at me because I cannot pronounce Nigerian words correctly all the time.
TheGreenerItGets Thank you!!!! I had to take a minute and beg the ancestors for forgiveness 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Fufu isn’t Nigerian
I don’t know how I feel about this clip.
LorraineJS Yh
LorraineJS same
LorraineJS the show is actually pretty good. It’s definitely meant to be more informative than blackish in a humorous way. You can’t hold the show to today’s standards, their are plenty of mixed race kids with idols to look up to but that wasn’t a thing then. During the time this is supposed to take place interracial marriage had only been legalized for like 20 years! I’d definitely recommend you keep watching it’s eye opening to a different perspective that often gets overlooked. Coming from a dark skin black person 👌🏾
I just expect comments to be taking sides.
Why?
It's like no matter the culture food is overloaded with so much meaning and history and emotions. My mom gets really pissed off if I ever miss out on making tamales with the family, even if I'm making them with another side of the family, and it's because of her attitude that I even avoid it.
Also anytime I hear "bougie" I hear "you are doing something totally different and that scares me"
I haven't that word in forever. I remember hearing it from the black girls when I was in the first-grade, and I always just assumed it simply meant snobby until now.
I kind of agree with both we were eating good in Africa and yes we were royalty but not in the the sense of everybody was king and queen but how we were all(most) treated equally depending on the tribe and the food was filled with different spices but soul food is black culture too sure it was the white mans scraps but we something beautiful and tasty out of it now I don’t eat a whole lot of soul food cause I’m not trying to die at 40 from all the fat and salt but it was all black folks had and we are a creative and resourceful race so
Rob Bwoamn that’s later on in history I’m talking waaaayyyyy before that we were respected by each other like I’m talking Africa before it was named Africa aka before white folks started going over there plus some had no idea what they were selling their people into
SamIAm I’m not even going to school you because that is waist of time so I’m just gonna say go look up eating conditions of slaves and go read zora neal Hurstons barracoon book or prince alludaequiano or Fredrick Douglas or go watch the Oprah
Winfrey documentary unchained memories or go on the website doc south.unc.edu and there is so much more you’re making it sound like black folks was just living the good life It depended on the job and where they were I’m sorry and I’m saying this as respectful as I can but that was a dumb reply and I was talking about one type of slave the ones lucky enough to get rations I seriously don’t know where you are getting your information smh
Thank you, we have lot to be proud of. A common misconception is that ends of meat are the worse parts, but that is what most poor people throughout Europe ate as well. Europeans were also in chains in many countries like Russia until 1861 had serfdom. France also had serfdom until 1789. It's not only you who had to gave master the best cuts of meat.
Jade Freed did I say that tho I am talking about slavery in America yes I am aware there was cruel treatment in Europe but I’m not talking about Europe like why is it when people talk about black culture and struggle We’re made to feel we’re just feeling sorry for ourselves and we’re excluded other struggles but I’m not talking about other struggles this video is about soul food and African food Europe is nowhere in the conversation if it was I would touch on that
Amani j sorry you’re romanticizing Africa everyone was not equal or treated well in various societies
I am from Cameroon, Africa. My grandmother was a princess but I never saw anyone bow to her or treat like that. She was just like any other regular citizen, maybe because of the fact that she moved to the economic capital city with her family to avoid the war. She was selling food like people who had a regular job. That’s the place where I was born too and I am just a regular citizen too. People don’t care so much about that nowadays.
“I actually got put out of my apartment the last time I cooked them so I did not bring any”
Omg I go through this every year in my apartment around Thanksgiving/Christmas time. It smells bad, and erbody momma and grandma always thinking theirs don’t stink. The smell ruins my mood, them damn chitlins
If you add the right seasoning add onions and clean them properly even the so called clean ones they won't smell. I find that when you use vinegar that will cause that strong smell.
I'm confused about ppl getting upset about the different foods being on the same plate. I took it as her showing a sample of different type of food from the continent African not to be eaten on one plate at the same time. Sorry if I got it wrong.
For me, I took it that the mom, Alicia, was extremely disconnected to her own heritage, as well as other African-Americans who were enslaved pre-Civil War.
Why did she say Jollof so weird?
Queenb2001 because she’s American
Queenb2001 lmao she said “jahlif rice”
It's called Joll of rice..it's basically rice in a spicy tomato sauce. ..very tasty.
How would it sound?
@@acomment5991 jaw loff. Without the rolling w.
Jollof rice, fufu and egusi on the same plate? I'm disgusted
funmi f
That's the point of the scene. Are you a moron?
I find that so rude what saying about the African/nigerian food
And like who tf eats fufu, jollof rice and egusi together? , its either one or the other fam dont be mixing them 🤦🏾♀️
Joy's olaifa o ma seun o!!!!!
Most black Americans ADOS don’t even know what part of Africa they are from. That immigration story was taken away
Thank you!!!
That's the point -- African Americans don't know how things truly are and were in Africa because we were stripped of our heritage and memories. We are piecing things together and end up mocked on every side. This show is set during the 80s, when we had limited access to research. Everything the characters knew about Africa reflected what they were shown in media or what they pieced together through aspirational research. Bow's mother was more aspirational, trying to replace the negative stereotypes placed on blacks. Her sister was more offensive, trying to reject the media images in commercials asking people to send money to Africa.
I eat 2 together, is that alright.
I eat fufu & egusi together.
I like them together, I'm weird & rebellious.
I think people are bashing this show a little too much. This show isn't about the full black experience, it's about the experience of a mixed girl finally being self aware of what it means to be a mixed race child. And this scene touched on an important subject that a lot of black people kinda gloss over: where the true heritage of black people in America is and the fetishizing of Africa by black Americans. There is a lot of inaccuracies in the food, but anyone who exoticizes African culture is bound to get it wrong.
delusional.
I’m sorry but she pronounced all the African foods wrong and we don’t eat Jollof with the other foods
Right! 🤦🏾♀️😫
Right 🤦🏾♀️
Thank you when she said Jollof rice that really triggered me
Exactly who can live without it not me!!I just eat it with dodo and or egg
I think that was the point.. She's an American who barely had any knowledge of which part of Africa her ancestors came from, she knew a couple of things and she put them together. Also it was the 80s, we know more now, people seem to forget about that.
*Scene Breakdown for the sensitive* people are offended by the plate with the traditional African food. But it would make sense for someone who loves the culture but lives in states and wants to expose their kids to african culture to lump those dishes together and mispronounce a few words because they weren't from africa...heller... the 35 cent joke was making fun of how absurd it was to show dying, starving african children in dire need of help but only asking ppl to send a few cents a month and it was also said by her sister who has a different view from her which is also the point of the show. Now get over it
TheImagine91 This. Some africans hate when african americans make an effort to learn about the culture of their ancestor. Damn if you do, damn if you dont
I don't think it's fair to ask them to just get over it. How do you feel when other people do and say insensitive things about African Americans and then be like "get over it". We are allowed to have feelings about the way we are potrayed on TV. You could have explained your view point, without adding the get over it part.
@@funkebenson3564
But with a little understanding, this clip should not be offensive. Why would we be able to pronounce those foods, or know they don't belong on the same plate? We are not directly African and there was no internet for us in the 80's. Plus those feed the children commercials were everywhere so you can't blame us for thinking this was what was happening in Africa. This is an American show telling our view. It might be wrong but it is what we knew. At least she tried to teach them about African heritages that we are disconnected from because there are some black Americans that don't want to be associated at all. Damn if we do damn if we don't is totally correct.
@@yasmeen7875 My problem isn't that she pronounced the names of the meals wrongs. I can't pronounce every meal from other cultures that's fine. It's the 35 cents that I had a problem with and as you said, in the 80's that's the picture of Africa that was painted and it's still painted that way even today. It doesn't mean we can't still be upset about it when we see it. No one likes to be potrayedd in a negative light especially when they have so much more positive things about them. My main problem was with the statement "get over it". It's never cool to devalue someone else's feelings just because you don't find something hurtful. That's all I am saying.
@@funkebenson3564 yea... get over it like I said.
If I had this type of education growing up, man I love this show
They don’t know Africans don’t mess with their traditional foods 😂 These recipes survived for generations without being written down and it’s because people respect the food. I’m from Senegal, where Jollof rice originated and Fufu isn’t eaten that much over there. I haven’t heard of egusi before so they are mixing African cultures under one which we hate for a reason because no one mistake french food with Italian food but for white people we are “black”. Black people in America accepted that narrative but it’s upsetting for us since we know we speak different languages, eat different food, and have countries. Africans aren’t defined by skin color but Americans think only that matter so they don’t bother learning about the real cultures of Africa.
This is facts fr, they don't know africans are so diverse
My family has been calling me bougie forever... 🤷🏽♂️🙄😂
I'm still trying to wrap my arms around this show, and it's taking me a minute, but I do love this Aunt Denise (who I don't remember hearing about on blackish; didn't know Bow had an aunt)
When she said we weren’t all kings and queens; l screamed of relief :"at last someone who gets it” but then later said to myself, the reason why most African Americans believe and hold on to the idea of kings and queens is not because of royalty but because their ancestors were once considered properties and non human , stripped off any individuality ,power or privilege and living on a land full of restrictions and abuse whereas back in Africa even though not every was a king or a queen, they all had their freedom ,a sense of value, freedom to be an individual, freedom to chose your destiny, freedom to be yourself and that idea is a dream most African Americans still hold on to very dearly because be royalty is being free and wholesome.
This clip is kinda revealing of what is truly happening right now but in a more negative light. Africans claim to be negatively represented by this clip and Black Americans feel its appropriate as they are trying to connect to various African cultures and its difficult to do that.
But ultimately it causes issues when you realize Africa is and has always been a continent with the largest tribes and languages in the world. Many thousand different cultures belonging to one continent, and has tribes who hate each other or the way other tribes live. Most tribes don't even know one meal there and just because they are in Africa they are lumped in together as one like Africa is a homogenous continent. The South is different from the West, East and North and the West is different from the Central and East, South etc... Different cultures belonging to one continent basically. And it's hard for African Americans to pinpoint a specific tribe they come from which create an issue when they claim one culture and apply it to the whole continent with tribes that don't get along. I'm an African, I should know. Tribal discrimination exists here and some tribes hate being associated with other tribes.
Creates a kinda complicated vacuum of mess when you can't pinpoint a specific tribe and celebrate it specifically. I especially don't like when someone chooses the Nigerian cultures and then apply it to the whole continent like Africa is Nigeria. That pisses alot of people off because everyone has their own identity. But ultimately if you want to learn about Africa, the media won't help with that. It's responsible for making people think we're a country and not a continent in the first place. Visit and don't get your main source of information from the news and media only. The media will only show you wars and poverty and you'll arrive there and be shocked to find peaceful and happy people.
As people say "Bad news sells." and alot of news outlets milk that bad Africa picture to their advantage.
I was even shocked to find some people who still think we live in huts and hunt for food because of the news. Get to know a tribe before following it, that's all I'm saying.
It's too true
@Dee Baber I'm aware of the context of the show. My issue was on the culture issues. Nothing more, nothing less. Choosing one meal and then branding it as an African meal won't sit well for many people. My comment obviously separates that fact from the show. Otherwise your point is correct.
All of this over some food... you're completely right.
i am so confused about the whole
african-American and African conflict because i was born and raised in the Netherlands and both my parents are from Tanzania ( east- Africa) and I never understood why.
the 35 cents a day joke made me feel a type of way
Katherine James right
Lowkey shade, claim proudly to be black but diss the most blackest continent in the world.
Go to a therapist.
It was a joke about the infomercials showing Africans starving and dying but only asking people to send a few cents a day it was making fun of the absurdity of it all🙄🤦🏿♂️
Reminded me of the snl sketch
Both are valid and I will eat both plates during the same dinner thank you
Edit: Writers were being lazy as hell with the African plate, but I get where they were going. I'd throw down on African food and Soul food anyday
It feels good seeing things about your culture on TV/ social media. Me seeing local food that I eat on this show makes me feel really good
Thank you Because you are one of the few Africans who actually had something positive to say most people don't understand the true meaning of this sence
She was so right on, the scraps were turned into delightful nom noms. Me love soul food.
I watched a similar debate here in Brazil. It's about Feijoada, our national dish, a black beans stew with beef and pork parts. One side argued that Feijoada is a symbol of opression of black people in brazilian history because the masters only gave the enslaved the cheapest pork and peef cuts, which they made into Feijoada. The other side argued that Feijoada is originally a portuguese dish that was brought to Brazil and later perfected by the enslaved into what it is today, a delicious dish that homes from north to south enjoy at weekends.
I've heard of that dish. The Afro-Brazilian community in Nigeria cook it
“JaWlUf RyCe FoOfOo EEEyGuSi” the pronunciations make me want to cry
The African food is mostly west African
That's where most people who were kidnapped and turned to slave came from
Temitope Alagbala correct !!that was why she put all those foods together. Most slaves came from West Africa
That's were they were paraded to be shipped to the other side. Slaves were gotten from all over as long as the country was colonised.
The reason I said this is because they were generalising Africa as if everyone ate that food. btw I am African, Cameroonian 🇨🇲
So we aren't gonna talk about the high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes that comes with the Soul Food TOO???
The greens are the only healthiest part of it
@@trivonnereid769 yeah if it's not too salty and cooked with a bunch of smoked porked.
@@Wyndamn yeah
This scene should be featured alongside the scene with Angela Bassett's character speaking with Queenie from American horror story, and even a framework of the Black Panther movie with Michael b Jordan's character.
This detachment or separation between African Americans and the roots of Africa and the peoples there today. It's not just a fascinating and tragic recounting of slavery, racism and religion, but also a study on how being (forcibly) migrated from basically one world to another can have on a culture and their development.
*Been raised by a Kenyan woman and I can assure you, I’ve never seen Egusi in my life. The closest to that is Ugali 😭.*
Proud to say, I’ll eat the food, that our ancestors had to create to SURVIVE!, and would also try African cuisine !, nothing wrong with both!
I thought that was Loretta Devine in the thumbnail lol
Me too
Ikr😂😂😂. That hair do threw me off.
I just don't know how I feel about this show...I keep giving it a chance, but as a black woman, I just don't know.
Saaame, same. I'm from South Africa and I know the struggle is similar and yet differs in many ways so I find a lot that I can relate with, but this show though? I don't know hey, it's striking a very discordant chord within me and I just-.
Well given its the account of a mixed race child who lost her sense of self once she was forced into a racially divided world it’s harder to understand if you weren’t mixed. I’ve felt a lot of the struggles and feelings that the show has handled so far
Oneida Callaway exactly!!
Probably just racist against mixed folks
@MojoMaster there is 3? All i have heard of is blackish and this
Non-Black here but I agree with Aunt Denise, keeping it real. Also, Black American culture, although NOT separated from the motherland Africa, is a different and evolved culture that manifested from slavery and survival. I ain't saying Black American history is only about slavery, but equating African food with Black American food is totally misleading. It robs Black Americans of their history OUTSIDE the motherland.
BoO-jee! Lol I love the way she emphasized the word.
If they featured only food from one country people would then have issues of it not being inclusive. This show is doomed because people are choosing to be over critical and it’s already based on a subject people constantly argue over...
She should have said, "the foods we eat in western Africa" 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
*tribe
The ewe.
0:12 her aunt response was everything
They are trying their best. Please give them some credit!
Egusi, fufu and jollof rice. Throw that plate away😭
What's ironic is that Denise was going on and on about how taking other people's leftover and transform that into her people's wonderful culinary experience. However, when Alicia did the same time, except for her passion and profession, that's bougie.
Aunt Denise did not sugarcoat anything that’s what you need it’s ok to build your kids up but at the same time give them a reality check
You have to understand that there’s 54 countries in Africa we don’t all eat the same foods there’s no such thing as “African food” all the continents in Africa don’t share one food
So true. Not everyone African eats jollof rice. Lol, that was even a stereotype. But then we'd have to discuss the negative stereotypes African's have toward black Americans. Can we all just get along?
I like Trini food, personally. It's more thematically cohesive fusion food, sure, but it's so varied and includes so mamy healthy ingredients as staples!
mickymc bryan Lol trini food isn’t even trini food many of their dishes are INDIAN and came from the Indian people who migrated to the island
That’s why he called it fusion food. Sounds worth trying since I love all the spice and Indian food
Yes!!! The one group that was missing from this was West Indian blacks. I didn’t grow up eating soul food or African food but trini, Bajan and jamacian food.
@@purplekitty its not missing, its not relevant to the storyline. The characters are black Americans.
Mia Danielle I am black American and I’m also of West Indian ancestry. A lot of black Americans are of West Indian ancestry depending on the region. I’m from New York and a lot of black Americans here are also of West Indian ancestry. Plenty relevant.
I think it’s interesting that both sides Are engaging in an mix of reality and fantasy. The mom is going more from a. Booksmart perspective but it’s certainly not accurate to say that everyone in Africa were kings and queens Or than everyone ate this way. The aunt is more real world but she’s also trying to pretend that These foods don’t have negative connotations as well and not everybody eats this way either. They’re both making real points but they’re trying to skew it towards what they think is right
Who else when straight to the comments?
First of all.. She pronounced Jollof rice, fufu and egusi wrong, secondly the combo is just fufu and egusi, Jollof rice is a whole different meal... Proudly Nigerian 🇳🇬 💕
Tobit Vlogs this is a Ghanaian dish
The 35 cents comment and dissing African food/culture was uncalled for.
These sisters are a trip! They grew up in the same house with access to the same activities! Yet, Denise is hating on the her sister for her choices! This crap is so typical in the black community and is why many POC don't come back after finding success! Who wants to be disrespected by one's own family!
@Dee Baber I am not an immigrant! Just telling it like it is in some families! These two sisters, as far as I can tell, grew up middle class. That alone is way ahead of many people of color in the 60s! They each had a bed and their own toys while many POC at that time were sleeping two and four to a twin bed! Then the sister has such distain for her own flesh and blood! She shows how jealous she is! Being in competition to show your niece just how black the auntie is and how not black her niece is, is indeed shameful! It's not the aunt's place to raise Rainbow, it's the parents' responsibility!
I like Jollof rice though ❤️❤️
Chitlins tho, never have never will 😐
African American raised by an African here and in sure I still pronounce most things wrong. You have to have the accent to really get some words right. Anyways I thought it was funny and an entertaining on both parts. I think the show is funny and relatable..and I’m not even “mixed”. But in thr real sense who’s really pure blooded anymore.
Royalty is in our DNA. We may not all be kings and queens of a country, but we are kings and queens of our destiny. May we rule our lives and all that God the Most High has given us with wisdom and humility. How you see yourself is how you will be.
Some of you are reading waaay too deep into this.
I'm laughing about the way she said jollof rice , " jalaf rice"
Probably the most unbelievable thing is that the lady who lived on a hippie commune magically knows how to make egusi and jollof.
MissBrittneyofCourse my exact thoughts like how? We’re there Nigerians in the communes? Then again we’re everywhere
I don't think she lived there when she was a kid/teen.
@kyla eman maybe she googled it. Simple
Debra A It was the 1980s. There was no Google.
Even IF there were west africans at the commune, I just started finding adequate ingredients for some of these dishes in big chain stores like last year (and i know there weren't many african shops back in the 80's) so where did she find the materials??? Were they growing it? And I bet they didn't eat meat at the cult so that aspect is out. So many questions.
I like how Aunt Denise keeps it real. 😂😂
Real question, did people even use the term "bougie" 80's?
Obi-Wan Kenobi Yes
Obi-Wan Kenobi bougie comes from the bourgeoisie and people have been saying it for like hundreds of years
Ive never hear the word bougie in the 80s and all thru the 90s when i was in high school..never heard it.
Yes!!!
@@livingblessed100 Funny. I heard it.
Alicia at the end sounds just like Bow in the future. 🤯 now this is good storytelling
They need to have someone or two who grew up IN an African country on their crew/staff 🤦🏾♀️
Exactly what I said on a few comments. Hollywood is awful with representation with regards to diversity and being accurate.
No they dont need that. This show and episode is not about us as Africans. Its about African Americans and their struggle to identify as African. Do you think African Americans in the 80s knew that much about their African roots? Hell no. All they knew about Africa was that we were a poor continent, everywhere was famine and Nelson Mandela was in jail. That was the focus of the information given to America by the media.
The scene played out perfectly. You have to understand that this was the 1980s. This is a black American family. Alicia thought she was educating her sister whilst it was also clear she didn’t know everything about the food she put on her plate. She was trying though. My sister in law from Cameroon an I don’t know half of the foods. I have heard of Fufu. I didn’t even think anything when I saw the plate of “African” food. I just saw a woman (Alicia) trying to connect to the motherland as best she could.
I said CREW. It wouldn't hurt to have. Have a good day
Rebotile Sebati maybe they did have someone on the staff/crew from Africa who said that someone who knew African cooking would never put these together so it makes perfect sense that a black woman from the 80’s would have no idea that this combination is wrong. Did you ever think about that?
“Because it sounds nice” 😂🤣. That’s how a lot of us live now. We just believe stuff because it sounds nice.
Aunt Denise is right. My roommate kept bragging about being related to royalty literally every time I mentioned my ancestors (I am a mix of Caucasian, Black, and Native American) after mailing my 23andMe box. I jokingly state that if I was related to royalty that she would have to bow down to me. She and her friends jumped on my ASS and started bragging about "Oh, she's related to Kings and Queens on *both* sides of family." "I'm related to a Cherokee Chief" "If any one is going to bow down, it's going to be you."
She even wrote Queen (her name) on everything. On the fucking door of our dorm room she wrote that. She even insisted people call her Queen (her name). No, bitch, your (her name).
I never wanted to commit first degree murder so bad in my entire life.
Black folks are taking this king and queen stuff too far. I am with Denise. Not every black person was a king or queen. And though Egyptians were black, most of the black folks here descended from WEST Africa, but you see so many of them acting like their bloodline is from Egypt. I have to roll my eyes.
@@tarag7292 There are more than 7 billion people on Earth- not every single person is a King or a Queen, or descended from one. Just because it is Africa, does not mean a hierarchy never existed there. During the Agricultural Revolution Whoever owns the food, has the most power. If you owned less food, you had less power. You do not get to receive special treatment because you are "related to a king/Queen". If you are a veteran, I'm not worshipping you just because you enlisted for the army. If you are a doctor, I am not bowing down to you just because you have a PhD.
“If we do we need to send way more than 35 cents a day” cracks me up🤣🤣🤣 lol🤣🤣🤣
Soooo... I'm confused. We're African- American so we are African decent, but we're really not "African- African" so we don't have the right to embrace African foods or culture without being criticized? I'm really not trying to be funny I'm genuinely confused. I'd like to know this from a logical stand point, not an emotional one.
In my experience the answer is no. Its not our culture just cuz we're of African descent.
@@MissMeMe343 Yes, I understand but would it be okay to embrace that culture?
Thanks for sharing though.
I'm indigenous to NZ and tbh we have a dish similar to what Aunt Dee Dee made. We call it boil up. We use any pork bones, potatoes, Kumara (sweet potato), pumpkin and puha (peppery/mustard flavored green vegetable) or watercress/cabbage and boil with salt to taste. It has a distinct smell which is beautiful. It's our coloniser dish not our original ancestors dish but certainly our ancestors who came into contact with Europeans. It's interesting that it's similar to AA even though we weren't slaves it was affordable to feed our big families with this food while we worked in farms we needed hearty food. We still eat our traditional food including birds, fish & shellfish but some were certainly removed from our diet.. just thought it was interesting that we have similar food. We also have what we call rewana bread 🍞 not like corn bread but certainly a bread we favor above others. I would love to try soul food one day to see the similarities with my own peoples food.
I choose Soul Food any day of the week.
I want nothing to do with that other stuff.
Agreed! Soul Food is our culture!
Why are Nigerians still claiming jollof rice as if it originated from there! Pls Senegal and Gambia should come and teach these people how to cook it well..
We never claimed it was from here we just simply said we had the best jollof rice. And you saying that Senegal and Gambian people should come and teach us how to cook is very offensive
Honor your ancestors by eating food that takes years off your life. Seems str8
There are healthy ways to cook soul food.
Denise just speaking facts y’all, just straight facts 😂
No we werent all kings and queens. Can you imagine millions of kings and queens sitting on their thrones. They would have to bow down and serve each other
And you ain't black either.
@@msrenee7023 Im not? Always thought my dark choclate and caramel Jamaican born parents were. Thanks . Now I know the truth
As a proud African, and black, I am all for Kings food of jollof rice, egusi and fufu
Chitlins is disgusting and really bad for you the only thing on that plate that's good for you is the greens and sweet potatoes. Everything else is going to put you on dyalisis.
Leslie Adams doesnt make it any less tasty 😋
@@nina191817 ❤️❤️❤️
but........but.............but......................... the macaroni
@@chxrbb_dxllhouse5403 lol 😂🤣😭
Leslie Adams , exactly!!! Nasty 🤢 shit!! You might as well eat ur own damn bowels if ur gonna eat that mess, smdh!! But I love ❤️ the Mac n cheese 🧀 tho 😂😂😂!!
LMAO THE EGUSI ON TOP OF JOLLOF IS SENDING ME SKKDSKSKMCSCKDSK
Bow's mother looks really different in both shows...
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 This shit low Key hella on point, you always got that Aunt who shuns soul food, and the one who Adores it... My moms was a career women so she never could cook... My grandma cooked Southern food but not a lot of soul food... My Aunt Pat though... she was all soul food and Bar B Q... it really isn’t a bad thing Because soul food has a lot of Vegetables, what I found out later in life and why I grew up stocky and big is My mom used to cook with Animal fat and Crisco lard oil there’s nothing wrong with it time to time but my mom used it for all her oil... it was only later in life when I found out about Healthy fats and oils... That’s the biggest thing We as a people need to understand Nutrition and Diet, The Pork and Yams ain’t what kills you, it’s The Way cook it
And How you prepare... nothing wrong with Sweet potato... ALOT wrong with candy Yams...
"That ain't even how monarchies work."
Hahahaha xD
I’m half Nigerian tribal royalty and I agree with her aunt. Most African Americans were already slaves or poor when they were in Africa.
A bank account is bougie? Are there any black writers on this show? C’mon now.
Most of the old school black people I knew either couldn't get a bank account or didn't want one because they want to see REAL money in their hands. They'd rather go and cash their check and keep it on them than to have it deposited into an account they either did or didn't have. Times changed now. So yeah, I can see how some would think having an account was bougie.
Please remember that black culture differs depending on what region ur in. This is african american culture that the aunt is displaying. The culture would be different in the Caribbean and maybe in Europe where there are black ppl living. It depends on the person
Yall really mad and pressed in the comments bc she combined all those meals and mispronounced them??!?! Wow get help..
Sis, it’s People’s culture. Maybe you stop being salty
Some africans hate when african americans make an effort to learn about the culture of their ancestors
G4RN1SH girl its my culture lol
@@blackknightdl no its our cultures being mistaken for one big one which isn't right the north isn't the same as the south nor the east to the west
Kelechi okoroafor all im saying is educate dont hate. Plus this show is realistically showing how some americans, in this case, some african americans see africa as one country. This scene proves your point and shows what you are saying.
I'd have eaten both. I love soul food but I'm always ready to try something new and I've never heard of those foods before.
Ok but I wanna know more about this Solo Cola
The way Alicia smiled after asking a question. 😀 0:49
In my book the mother won ❤️