Aussie here. Thousands of young Irishwomen came here over a few years to 1852 as part of the 'Earl Grey Scheme'. It was designed to get them out of poverty in Ireland's potato famine, and help populate the new colony (then known as New South Wales, and later to federate with other colonies to become the modern-day country of Australia). My 3 x great-grandmother was one of them.
Two of my GG grandparents immigrated to the USA so they could afford to get married. He came in 1864 and she in 1867 but she lived with her married sister for 2 years. They didn't get married until 1869. by then he was 30 and she 27 which was considered old to be getting married back them. So they had quite along courtship. they still managed to have 7 children. who knows how many children they would have had if they had been able to marry younger.
Mine too but this video makes it seem like these orphan girls had a choice if you come here or not... that isn't true. They had no choice, they were forced. Then basically they were put info servitude for a number of years. We all know the other word for servitude. Let's not paint a pretty picture.
@@FionaEm Yes, I was just reading about them, and they were all very young, around 14, 15 and 16, and if she hadn't, you wouldn't have been born, and neither would I! Cheers...
Yes, Aussie here: I have 2 GG Grandmothers that arrived via “orphan girls” schemes. One on the Red Rover in 1831 and one on the Lismoyne in 1849. The latter one is listed in the glass wall at Hyde Park Barracks.
@jgsheehan8810 So lovely that you know this history back four generations from yourself. I was thinking about some of the friendships formed on those sea voyages. I imagine some of the Irish girls perhaps could write letters to each other (?)
I’m incredibly proud of this acknowledgement. I’m an Aussie and this makes me happy. I’m so glad she got a better life here in Australia then being an orphan back home. She was able to establish herself there in Sydney with better homing. ❤
My great grandmother was British, an orphan of war. She was sent here to Australia against her will, like many other orphans. It surprises me that not many people know how many orphans were sent here, not by choice. Everyone just thinks it was convicts that were sent against their will. Before she died, she regressed back to childhood. What she said of the experience was horrific. Imagine being so child, lost your parents in war, put on a ship for months to a foreign land
Australia has been a pretty hard life for immigrants over the years, no better than what they left. There were slums in Sydney too. And living up country or mining an even harder life.
My ancestors were Scottish who were moved to the plantation in Northern Ireland and then many of them migrated to Australia in various years of the 1800’s. Not sure why they went to Australia but they seemed to do okay once there.
Many of the poor were enticed by the Australian government and were promised jobs and a better life. They were offered free passenger tickets aboard ships that were sailing to Australia in exchange for servitude for a matter of time. It was definitely a better deal than starving to death. The Irish flourished in Australia.
The truth is, the potato blight was the final blow to the Irish. They HAD FOOD, but the English exported it all. Additionally, the British came in and laid claim to lands, forcing the Irish to pay rent or get out. The Lords generally showed no mercy and neither did the Queen. The Irish were slaughtered because of the tyranny of England-not just because of a bad year of potatoes. But, the Irish were resilient people and found ways, mostly as indentured servants, to (tragically and sadly) leave and thrive in other countries. Now the Irish have generations upon generations of beautiful, healthy families all around the world. God bless the Irish! 26+6
The potato crop failure occurred all over Europe with some crops suffering more damage in countries other than Ireland. So why did the Great Famine occur in Ireland. Well it was by design. England sent most of its army to Ireland to prevent the 8 million Irish from accessing the vast Irish agricultural output. 4 million died or left due to the actions of the English.
I would like to know how her ancestors ended up in the USA? Did a descendant of Mary marry an Amercian solider in WWI or WWII? Or did Mary and her husband immigrate to the US?
In the early 2000s she came to down to Australia on the disney channel kids show and did it for promotional purposes and didnt have the interest to pursue her ancestral heritage then
But if it’s the only way you can live and survive, going to a different country where there’s no famine isn’t isn’t it better than dying in your own country with no food if that were the case we wouldn’t have many more now, so let’s not judge too, harshly the reality of the situation that could’ve happened if that if that scheme didn’t happen, we wouldn’t have We wouldn’t have the grading fabulous Macklemore wouldn’t with me. Sorry my auto tune as being, but you know what I mean.😢😮
Please don't view circumstances in the 1800's with today's circumstances. The life expectancy in the mid 1800's was about 42 yrs of age for women in the UK. A 15 year old girl was not considered a child; she's almost middle aged.
The "life expectancy" of a person in the 1800s is skewed by high infant mortality because it usually means "life expectancy at birth". For those who survived childhood, life expectancy would have been 60 years old. For a 50 year old person, the life expectancy would have been 70 years. Try searching for "modal age at death" or "life expectancy by age".
I’ve been tracing my roots and have dug into my family tree back to the 1600s. Most of my ancestors lived a decently long time. Many over 70 and some in their 90s. There are a few that appeared to have died during or after childbirth, but the vast majority were long lived. I have been pleasantly surprised.
Average age is meaningless. Once a person reached adulthood, they were usually fine and lived to old age. It's because child/infant deaths were so common which skews the data.
That isn't accurate at all, we have writings from the time and we know that society disapproved of 15 year olds marrying. The age of referring to is distorted by so many early childhood deaths. If you made it out of childhood you had a good chance of living to old age.
Not really. If the Chinese colonised Australia there wouldn't of been 1 aboriginal left. Australia was going to be colonised one way or another and I'd say it worked out well for them. They get every possible benefit and go to the top of every government list. Disgusting how entitled aboriginals are especially the lies about the stolen generation which was really the saved generation.
Why? Aborigine life wasn't great before UK settled here. They had to battle droughts, heat, famine, etc.. No modern medicine. Australia wasn't exactly a paradise.
Smallpox spread across the country with the advance of European settlement, bringing with it shocking death rates. The disease affected entire generations of the First Nations populations and survivors were in many cases left without family or community leaders. The spread of smallpox was followed by influenza, measles, tuberculosis and sexually transmitted diseases. First Nations peoples had no resistance to these diseases, all of which brought widespread death.
Uh, no-one had "modern medicine" in 1788. Not being slaughtered, killed by foreign diseases or displaced from your traditional lands was definitely preferable to what Indigenous Australians went through afterwards - especially since there were organised massacres held by pastoralists up until the 1930s.
Anyone else disgusted by the thought regardless of the Irish Famine, of young girls being shipped off to a Penal Colony to serve the men? I'm no feminist but its absolutely not the ideal faery tale, or pleasing feeling given the history of the ruthlessness in Australia at the time.
The "ruthlessness" in Australia was no different to that of Britain at the time. Working in servitude before you were married was an expectation of the working class woman of the time. At least in Australia with the excess of more well off men there was a better chance of getting married than in Britain. Life was uniformly much worse than today.
You do realise that the people of the world 200 years ago had a different mindset than we do today.....People back then did not have the luxury or privilege to be upset or "disgusted" by things you perceive to be unfair or backwards.....
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Earl Grey Scheme. My 3 x great-grandmother came here under the scheme. Her life was certainly tough, but she died from septic shock in pregnancy, not from British cruelty. Not making excuses for the colonial overlords. Just saying.
New South Wales was not a penal colony by that stage. Nothing to do with 'feminism'. It didn't matter if you were male or female, if you were the child of a poor or working-class family in Victorian Britain, life was brutal. They had very little formal education and their working lives started in their early teens, in factories or working as a domestic servant. You understand (I hope) that she wasn't forced to go to Australia - or anywhere. She could have stayed in Ireland and starved as so many Irish did during that awful period. She also wasn't forced to marry. Although it was obviously hoped that she would meet someone, marry and start a family - as many of them did.
She's just so ethereally beautiful and her kindness shines through.
This is what the Irish look like when they are not starved by the queen of England.
It must be her Irish blood!
@@Echoesofwhispersdid any Queen of England ever starve anyone?.
Aussie here. Thousands of young Irishwomen came here over a few years to 1852 as part of the 'Earl Grey Scheme'. It was designed to get them out of poverty in Ireland's potato famine, and help populate the new colony (then known as New South Wales, and later to federate with other colonies to become the modern-day country of Australia). My 3 x great-grandmother was one of them.
It's almost like the video told us the same information....
@@MrsBrit1 it's possible they made this comment mid video. Like this comment. So save it.
Two of my GG grandparents immigrated to the USA so they could afford to get married. He came in 1864 and she in 1867 but she lived with her married sister for 2 years. They didn't get married until 1869. by then he was 30 and she 27 which was considered old to be getting married back them. So they had quite along courtship. they still managed to have 7 children. who knows how many children they would have had if they had been able to marry younger.
Mine too but this video makes it seem like these orphan girls had a choice if you come here or not... that isn't true. They had no choice, they were forced.
Then basically they were put info servitude for a number of years.
We all know the other word for servitude.
Let's not paint a pretty picture.
@@FionaEm Yes, I was just reading about them, and they were all very young, around 14, 15 and 16, and if she hadn't, you wouldn't have been born, and neither would I! Cheers...
I couldn't be that chill meeting Mandy Moore
Listening to Mandy is wonderful "omg Rapunzel is discovering more of herself!!"
I love Mandy Moore, she has family here in Australia her great great great grandmother.
Mandy Moore is so graceful and kind. ❤
Not with the book.
Mandy has matured into such a lovely lady.
Her soul would be happy that Mandy has found her story
She's in my hometown 🥲 So good seeing Mandy on our shores ❤ and what a great reason for her to be here ❤☺️🥲
I remember seeing her at a movie premiere here in Sydney years ago. Who knew she’d be back to find her roots.
I wish she was raised in Sydney, I could have had a chance 😊
Welcome to family of a lot of Australians.
I will always think of her off of A walk to Remember..
Or this is us
Or Princess Rapunzel
A great movie, and also probably one of the saddest i've ever seen.
I cry every time I watch it 😢❤ such a great movie, and book!
i almost didnt recognize her without her iconic bangs. she is still so beautiful inside and out
Yes, Aussie here: I have 2 GG Grandmothers that arrived via “orphan girls” schemes.
One on the Red Rover in 1831 and one on the Lismoyne in 1849. The latter one is listed in the glass wall at Hyde Park Barracks.
@jgsheehan8810 So lovely that you know this history back four generations from yourself. I was thinking about some of the friendships formed on those sea voyages. I imagine some of the Irish girls perhaps could write letters to each other (?)
A little ruff Mandy, on that almost 200 year old book.
Right on Mandy, you are one of us and in the city where I live.
I’m incredibly proud of this acknowledgement. I’m an Aussie and this makes me happy. I’m so glad she got a better life here in Australia then being an orphan back home. She was able to establish herself there in Sydney with better homing. ❤
My great grandmother was British, an orphan of war. She was sent here to Australia against her will, like many other orphans.
It surprises me that not many people know how many orphans were sent here, not by choice.
Everyone just thinks it was convicts that were sent against their will.
Before she died, she regressed back to childhood. What she said of the experience was horrific.
Imagine being so child, lost your parents in war, put on a ship for months to a foreign land
@@Keyrose-my3xr Sounds like you want to ride the coattails of their misfortune. You are not a victim.
Australia has been a pretty hard life for immigrants over the years, no better than what they left. There were slums in Sydney too. And living up country or mining an even harder life.
Did anybody else cringe when she forced the book open at the marker? In an old book like that, you get to a marker a few pages at a time.
I'm Aussie but my Irish 4th great Grandma lived and died in Jessup Pennsylvania, people just went to any of the 3 main colony's. Not too uncommon.
So they opened the library at 8am just for a tv show, how nice.
where are you getting 8am from? looks like a few people are in. staff would be in for 9am open anyway.
This is surreal. It's like my two favourite flavours of ice cream on one cone.
My ancestors were Scottish who were moved to the plantation in Northern Ireland and then many of them migrated to Australia in various years of the 1800’s. Not sure why they went to Australia but they seemed to do okay once there.
Many of the poor were enticed by the Australian government and were promised jobs and a better life. They were offered free passenger tickets aboard ships that were sailing to Australia in exchange for servitude for a matter of time. It was definitely a better deal than starving to death. The Irish flourished in Australia.
The truth is, the potato blight was the final blow to the Irish. They HAD FOOD, but the English exported it all. Additionally, the British came in and laid claim to lands, forcing the Irish to pay rent or get out. The Lords generally showed no mercy and neither did the Queen.
The Irish were slaughtered because of the tyranny of England-not just because of a bad year of potatoes.
But, the Irish were resilient people and found ways, mostly as indentured servants, to (tragically and sadly) leave and thrive in other countries.
Now the Irish have generations upon generations of beautiful, healthy families all around the world.
God bless the Irish!
26+6
Haha, the queen wasn’t that old numbnuts. How’s Russia doing by the way, when will you get conscripted?
I feel like she put so much of herself into her Rebecca charter on this is us. She’s great.
The potato crop failure occurred all over Europe with some crops suffering more damage in countries other than Ireland. So why did the Great Famine occur in Ireland. Well it was by design. England sent most of its army to Ireland to prevent the 8 million Irish from accessing the vast Irish agricultural output. 4 million died or left due to the actions of the English.
To put things into perspective, the population of Ireland (ROI and NI) is still only 7ish million today, more than a century and a half later.
Very interesting
She is as fine as wine.
All irish immigrants do gold mining in Ballarat 1865 and my great great uncle Patrick hannan found gold in Kalgoorlie 1895
🥰🥰🥰
As a Moore. Just wondering if!
haha same (on mum's side)
I would like to know how her ancestors ended up in the USA? Did a descendant of Mary marry an Amercian solider in WWI or WWII? Or did Mary and her husband immigrate to the US?
Married an English immigrant and returned to England six or so years later
In the early 2000s she came to down to Australia on the disney channel kids show and did it for promotional purposes and didnt have the interest to pursue her ancestral heritage then
Who was Mary then?
Mary was some sort of great aunt. She was the elder sister of Ellen Flynn, Mandy's great (2x?) grandmother.
But if it’s the only way you can live and survive, going to a different country where there’s no famine isn’t isn’t it better than dying in your own country with no food if that were the case we wouldn’t have many more now, so let’s not judge too, harshly the reality of the situation that could’ve happened if that if that scheme didn’t happen, we wouldn’t have We wouldn’t have the grading fabulous Macklemore wouldn’t with me. Sorry my auto tune as being, but you know what I mean.😢😮
She is Pinks cousin
Ooof! I feel sorry for her.
@@theduchessofspring2395 why. Pink is awesome
@@Taurus-i8d And you are free to feel that way. But I find her out-of-touch, obnoxious, and abrasive.
Please don't view circumstances in the 1800's with today's circumstances. The life expectancy in the mid 1800's was about 42 yrs of age for women in the UK. A 15 year old girl was not considered a child; she's almost middle aged.
The "life expectancy" of a person in the 1800s is skewed by high infant mortality because it usually means "life expectancy at birth".
For those who survived childhood, life expectancy would have been 60 years old. For a 50 year old person, the life expectancy would have been 70 years.
Try searching for "modal age at death" or "life expectancy by age".
I’ve been tracing my roots and have dug into my family tree back to the 1600s. Most of my ancestors lived a decently long time. Many over 70 and some in their 90s. There are a few that appeared to have died during or after childbirth, but the vast majority were long lived. I have been pleasantly surprised.
Average age is meaningless. Once a person reached adulthood, they were usually fine and lived to old age. It's because child/infant deaths were so common which skews the data.
My 4 x great grandmother had the first of her 11 children at 14, and that wasnt uncommon.
That isn't accurate at all, we have writings from the time and we know that society disapproved of 15 year olds marrying. The age of referring to is distorted by so many early childhood deaths. If you made it out of childhood you had a good chance of living to old age.
This is 6 years ago, I got confused by her hair
So what if she had been a servant? Is that so shocking? 🙄
An indentured servant. = slave ( of sorts). Usually for a number of years.
And America had slavery so what every Country has Slavery crime etc. Wake up.
😂😂😂 so basically her ancestor got sent to Australia cos she committed a crime and had to work off the crime.
A sad time for the Aborigines.
Not really. If the Chinese colonised Australia there wouldn't of been 1 aboriginal left. Australia was going to be colonised one way or another and I'd say it worked out well for them. They get every possible benefit and go to the top of every government list. Disgusting how entitled aboriginals are especially the lies about the stolen generation which was really the saved generation.
Why? Aborigine life wasn't great before UK settled here. They had to battle droughts, heat, famine, etc.. No modern medicine. Australia wasn't exactly a paradise.
Without previous exposure to the smallpox virus, First Nations peoples had no resistance, and up to 70 per cent were killed by the disease.
Smallpox spread across the country with the advance of European settlement, bringing with it shocking death rates. The disease affected entire generations of the First Nations populations and survivors were in many cases left without family or community leaders.
The spread of smallpox was followed by influenza, measles, tuberculosis and sexually transmitted diseases. First Nations peoples had no resistance to these diseases, all of which brought widespread death.
Uh, no-one had "modern medicine" in 1788. Not being slaughtered, killed by foreign diseases or displaced from your traditional lands was definitely preferable to what Indigenous Australians went through afterwards - especially since there were organised massacres held by pastoralists up until the 1930s.
Anyone else disgusted by the thought regardless of the Irish Famine, of young girls being shipped off to a Penal Colony to serve the men? I'm no feminist but its absolutely not the ideal faery tale, or pleasing feeling given the history of the ruthlessness in Australia at the time.
The "ruthlessness" in Australia was no different to that of Britain at the time. Working in servitude before you were married was an expectation of the working class woman of the time. At least in Australia with the excess of more well off men there was a better chance of getting married than in Britain. Life was uniformly much worse than today.
You do realise that the people of the world 200 years ago had a different mindset than we do today.....People back then did not have the luxury or privilege to be upset or "disgusted" by things you perceive to be unfair or backwards.....
I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the Earl Grey Scheme. My 3 x great-grandmother came here under the scheme. Her life was certainly tough, but she died from septic shock in pregnancy, not from British cruelty. Not making excuses for the colonial overlords. Just saying.
lol maybe she should of started a RUclips channel and sold some merch then she would’ve been able to stay in Ireland, 1850’s mate!!
New South Wales was not a penal colony by that stage. Nothing to do with 'feminism'. It didn't matter if you were male or female, if you were the child of a poor or working-class family in Victorian Britain, life was brutal. They had very little formal education and their working lives started in their early teens, in factories or working as a domestic servant. You understand (I hope) that she wasn't forced to go to Australia - or anywhere. She could have stayed in Ireland and starved as so many Irish did during that awful period. She also wasn't forced to marry. Although it was obviously hoped that she would meet someone, marry and start a family - as many of them did.