The Number One Training Tip for Cyclists
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The number one training tip for road cyclists is a big call. But because so many people train different ways - some effective and others inefficient - this cycling tip isn’t so much cantered around a training plan. Moreso, what you put on your road bike to ensure optimal performance gains no matter the way you train.
In this video we’re doing three laps of a local criterium track on:
1/ DT Swiss wheels and Specialized Turbo tyres
2/ Enve 6.7 Tubulars with some Vittoria corsa graphene tubulars
3/ Fulcrum 5 wheels and Schwalbe Marathons.
Using my Specialized Allez Sprint, I test all these different wheel and tyre combinations to demonstrate the impact on torque / effort and how that can improve your road cycling performance.
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Well, to someone of my generation, it's the obvious! In the 60s you trained often on the old style high pressures, saving your tubs and sprints for races.
It was so good to put them on at the start of the season, you felt really fast.
So, your data proves this right.
Nice vid.
When I was a kid and raced BMX, my father tightened the cones of the hubs and we practiced starts on a "practice" bike (old parts, heavier, etc). When I got on my super light race bike tuned to perfection...I flew out of the gates! Not recommended for the wear of the parts but it was an old bike.
Love it, thanks for sharing Adam. Cam
Thank you Cam for the advice, brother. I am 50 yrs old and still new in cycling. I'm going to give this a try.
Nice one, give it a good month or two before you make your mind up! Cam
I went through a period of several punctures a week, and it ruined my want to ride. Picked up a pair of Schwalbe Marathons and rode 1600k’s since and am yet to get a flat! (Hybrid Road Bike)
Now run an inherited Merida 2013 Road Bike and just did 1000k’s in November for charity and now I’m watching your training videos to practice becoming stronger.
I watch all of your videos, they’re super informative and you have inspired me to try road bike racing next year!
Awesome to hear Shaun, appreciate you sharing 👍
I took them to Hokkaido Japan for a 2000km bike packing trip. Not a single flat
Thanks for the tips. I have been using a single speed bike to train on. It weighs about 12kg with a 165mm crank, 42T on the front and 16T on the back for the past month. I went on a 120km ride over the weekend on my normal roadie and I felt much stronger. I think my cadence has been higher using the smaller crank, building up my endurance and spinning my legs like a mofo on the single speed. Oh and I'm loving the single speed set up so simple and you just spin
Nice one, thanks for sharing Wayne. Cheers, Cam
this is old school. i agree with you 100%. i train with 20 kilos in a knapsack.
Your Topics are so Basic and fit in with my type of training 100%. Thank you for taking the time and making sure we do not make these mistakes. You are AWESOME thanks
Cheers Leon’ 👍
Jokes on you, my bike already has cheap aluminium wheels... 😂😂😂
You sir is best reviewer on RUclips hands down, thorough and honest, I watch all your vids for cycling tips and knowledge. Awesum, keep at the good work fella.
Thank you Gaz, very kind words. Cheers Cam
I myself am running training wheel set with training tyres at the moment. Can say it's a massive confidence booster when I occasionally overtake riders on TT bikes with deep section rims!
Nice one Ananda, thanks for sharing 👍
Power is power. If you're holding 350 watts for an interval, it doesn't matter if you're doing 30 kph, 50 kph, or whatever. 350 watts are 350 watts. Resistance training on the bike is so little so as to be negligible - there's plenty of research showing that the maximum amount of force on the bike (i.e. sprinting) is still only ~25-40% of the maximum strength the legs are capable of. 40% of your max strength is not enough to stimulate any sort of muscular strength adaption, and therefore you'll have no effect physically by running training tires. Psychologically, however, you might be right on the money - if you're used to heavy wheels and tires, and then swap to your race wheels/tires, you'll start the race feeling so light that you may be able to push yourself harder than you would otherwise, because you're so psyched about feeling better on the bike.
What you and some of the others are saying is probably correct. But, after getting a pair of these tires recently, what he's saying is true. And, it's more than Psychological which shouldn't be understated imo either.
Power is derived from Torque x RPM. The video highlights that you essentially need to put out more power (derived from torque) to get the same speed as the other wheel sets and tyre combos. So in bunch rides he essentially gave himself a speed handicap and requires more power on the Schwalbe tyres to keep up. Plenty of ways to get the same outcome.....
@@adambuttenshaw1677 Maybe! but will you be getting the same handicap all the time like you do with the Schwalbe tyres.
BITD we used to have heavy training bikes with fat tyres run at low pressures.
Interesting concept. No doubt psychology plays an enormous role in competitive cycling. Just ask anyone who has ridden with the famous yellow jersey. Whilst it may be accurate to state muscles are capable of greater sustained effort regardless of the load imposed but to suggest, 'not enough to stimulate any sort of muscular strength adaptation,' one would have to ask isn't the whole point of training to impose a regime on the body where by it does indeed adapt to a greater load and therefore capable of improved performance when asked. A benefit is derived when the body is accustomed to a definite load when training , and can overcome a lighter load with less effort when called to do so.. From my own experience training on two similar Colnago bikes I am definitely faster on the machine with superior wheels. Of course the expensive wheels provide reduced rolling resistance and better aerodynamics. My legs and lungs are expecting a drag so when it doesn't eventuate I am faster. Surely that is simple physics. Athletes don't train with their best gear, over race distance, on the best track in the best conditions They swim greater than race distance, run with weights or cycle faster and longer than race day. I've always had a training bike and a race bike. If 'power is power' then' Newton's First Law of Motion also applies.
@@Australia-ky7kx The body adapts to a greater load cardiovascularly, and in beginners a certain degree of strength but an advanced athlete with a strength training background with very likely not see any strength gains by riding a bike, regardless of how low a cadence they ride.
I had the same mindset. I recently transitioned to sprint only cycling on roads. Max 1 km sprint. When I ordered a new wheel as my bike is 2005 make with 36 spokes, too much drag with that number of spokes. So I meantime I plugged back my old Maxxis detonator tires 28mm for harder training. These tires were the ones I started my road cycling journey on and didn't seem tough to ride on but as I was use to ride on race tires. Plugging these back felt like having an elephant feet initially. Now I have gotten use to them again. My new front wheel is here and I can't wait to see my improved times. Although I would keep training on Maxxis tires till the end of February.
My training wheels plus the tyres and tubes weigh approx 3.5 kg. They're a pig to climb with but the benefits when I switch to race wheels make the pain worthwhile.
In the 90s I started mountain biking. This also has extra resistance. After changing the front gear from 44 to 50 and adding a road bike cassette I had a high resistance road bike. Used Continental town and country in 1.9 inch. In this configuration I could pedal downhill up to 73 kph at 160 rpm.
We used to make our training bikes as tough as possible. Heavy wheels, heavy frames, mudguards and even dynamo powered lights. Often also fixed wheel 42x16 for everything. It works.
Thanks for the vid, Cam! My heavy training is a commute with a 90s Gary Fisher MTB, a backpack, and thorn-resistant tubes with fix-a-flat and Mr. Tuffys. Not to mention, I am 6'2" and weigh 215 lbs.. Cheers!
Sounds like you are all over this Eric! Thanks for sharing 👌
I have been riding a gravel bike with 42 mm GravelKing tires on my Pinarello Grevil for about 6 month now as a training setup, My bike for group rides when I want to be a bit competitive is a Bianchi xr4 with 28mm Continental 5000 tires. The difference between the overall bike weights is about 4 pounds. A large part of the weight difference I attribute to the difference in tire weight as well as the road versus gravel frame construction. In agreement with your Marathon training tire versus stock and race tire experiment on the 1 km track, I have noticed a significant change in sustainable power generation and ease in neutralizing gaps that might form during attacks. I think the information that you spoke of in your video is very useful and is likely to make many cyclists faster and stronger.
I do not race road bikes, but I do ride a heavier recumbent spaced back behind a 21-23 mph road bike group. The recumbent is ~12 pounds heavier than the average road bike. I have overcome the extra torque required to accelerate from lights and corners in about 4 months of weekend riding. So an alternate training method for bunch accelerations is to simply add some mass for training.
Thanks for sharing William. Much appreciated. Cam
I agree 100% with the concept of training with heavy gear then reaping the benefit when switching back to light equipment. I have 3 bikes. One is a cruiser and weighs over 15kg with big tyres. Requires huge effort to get speed. Works the legs pushing the load. Second is a carbon Colnago with alloy wheels and clincher tyres. Much lighter but at a disadvantage with 23mm high pressures.. Lastly the third is a Colnago collaborative with Ferrari; full electronic Campagnolo Super record and carbon Campagnolo Bora wheels running tubeless. I'm at least 5kph an hour faster on the Ferrari for a given effort. So there is good sense to training on heavy gear, then when it matters, allow the body to apply what it has trained for yet receive the advantage of top flight equipment.
Been doing this for years. Yes it does work. Just been using stock wheelset and heavy duty spesh armadillo tires to train. Then turbos or s4000 for race. I'm not racing anymore so I use gatorskins.
Love the armadillo also! I had them on before the Marathons. Marathons are definately next level though. Thanks for sharing, Cam
Well this is exactly what I am doing after watching your intermediate cyclist course. Got some heavy duty wheel and some bullet prove tyres
Awesome Josh. How long have you been on them for? Cam
@@joshhu1465 Awesome! Please keep me posted on your progress!? Cheers, Cam
In Sweden you have to put studded tires for winter riding and yes, in spring you feel much faster.
I use non-carbon 'fake areo' rims... I developed this technique all by my self, this is the first I've heard of anyone else ADDING weight to their wheels for the purpose of training. It's better than adding weight to anywhere else on the bike because it's rotational mas so a gram added to the wheels makes a significantly bigger difference than adding 5 grams to the frame. So it's more than 5 time as effective.
Agreed Grant, and thanks for sharing. Cheers, Cam
i do this for the winter only due to the no flat policy. changing a tire in minus weather is no fun. intervals make you stronger, faster and give you repeat-ability. ride with stronger guys in your group to get stronger. if you are the strongest, tow weaker guys around more and they will thank you and keep showing up. it doesn't get easier, you just get faster...
Nice one, thanks for sharing Mike! Cam
Commuting to work on a bike with tougher tires and a backpack with a heavy lock can also get you this training benefit. The road bike feels so light and fast come the weekend!
Won't commuting on a heavy trail or enduro bike then light carbon bike and wheels produce the same result come weekend? Actually the MTB commuting idea is way heavier than gravel or crossbike.
This makes sense. However be careful if you do 90% of your riding on one set of wheels for training and then race a different set of wheels, you may have to change your chain. You don't want to find out on race day that your chain has stretched to the point that it skips when you get out of the saddle to sprint or jump or climb.
Quite a few studies seem to show that the weight itself has an unmeasurable effect on times. Aero and rolling resistance, on the other hand, make important differences. It is surprising, however the long held idea of rolling mass being important to reduce has been definitively refuted.
This makes no sense. If you producing the same power, it doesn't matter the resistance, and also lower resistance will let you keep up with more people, go farther, and spin faster. (Higher cadence from higher average speeds, like from motor pacing)
yeah this was my concern with this. Many cyclists are using power to gauge their efforts, which is measuring the force applied to the crank/pedals and dividing that by a specific time interval. This method only works if power wasn't gauging the effort, rather speed. i.e. if you're going at the same power you'll always get the same results in training, but if you trained at a specific speed, your power would fluctuate between the wheelsets. Which is why they brand the wheels 'saving 35watts', as in you use 35watts less to move at the same speed compared to another wheelset. I'm glad i am not the only one figuring this out.
This works, I train on an aluminium frame with disk brakes because its harder and takes a lot more energy to keep up with everybody. Feels effortless and I fatigue slower on the carbon frame.
I'm reminded of baseball players in the on deck circle swinging a bat with a weighted ring (or two bats), even though every study done shows this does NOT increase your bad speed at all. But many players didn't care, because it psychologically made them feel better swinging at the plate.
He's not advocating TRAINING this way; it's a "proof of concept". There's no "training" in maintaining his same old power output. To train he needs to increase afterload somehow, and maintain his performance (speed) against it. If he wants to train with his riding mates, maintaining their pace, his only options are to make that pace harder for himself, by increasing afterload, which consists of varying combinations of (1) air resistance, (2) rolling resistance, (3) other frictional loss, (4) gravitational resistance (only a factor going uphill).
This exercise demonstrates one way to achieve a higher afterload, with the higher aero resistance, rolling resistance and frictional loss of the wider, stiffer tire, and the gravitational penalty of the extra weight. If he does not want to conform to a group's pace, he could train alone, pushing the pace on hills and on the flat. If he wants the group comradarie but doesn't like their pace, he can ride like a dick (5) pushing the pace, dropping his buddies. Who will subsequently drop him.
also if you want to increase the torq, you can always shift up and lower the cadence.
Cool video, beginner cyclist here and just bought a second hand bike with marathon tyres, I was going to upgrade them but I think I’ll keep em and upgrade my legs instead!
haha, well said mate. RUclips comment of 2019!
Schwalbe marathon plus is literally the ONLY road tire I buy. I'm not a crit racer and if you live in an area with goathead/puncture vines these tires are your only hope!
Thanks for sharing Adam. I can understand. Cheers, Cam
try durano plus, you will thank me later.
Yeah just making it harder for yourself whilst training is what I did for years , I used to run with ancle weights, swim in draggy baggy shorts , ride my bike with low tyre pressure or carry stuff....
Then when it comes to a race it feels so easy when I take it all to normal it's like I'm turbo charged lol.
Now though I'm a bit old and knackered I ride an ebike lmfao!
As Merckx said "Ride up grades not upgrades". And one does't train the legs. One trains the heart. My thighs are much bigger than the Schlecks or Contador or just about any endurance road cyclist. Your legs can run forever if they receive enough energy pumped by the heart. Interval training is a superior way to train rather than swapping out one's tires. And one gets a feel for riding on the same tires-important when cornering and descending.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Michael. I tend to agree re interval training. I have done a few videos on the topic. The consideration is many people get confused and go back to their normal way of riding - fast bunch rides, riding with mates etc. So if you put some resistance on your wheels, it doesn't matter what you do, you'll get stronger! Cam
Hi you might be missing some basic physics here by focusing on the tire weight. The tire and wheel weight only affect acceleration so if your doing constant power on a flat then your not accelerating. You did get it right when you noticed that you slowed down more quickly due to tire resistance on the tarmac. Given your constant speed aerodynamics and tire resistance would be the only contributing factors slowing you down not tire/wheel weight. Add a few water bottles to your flat constant speed training with skinny tires on aero rims and you'll get the same affect.
Thanks for sharing your expertise here Eric. Cam
back in the days in the UK everyone was riding wider cheaper tires though the winter (normally a 23mm or 25mm). But the reason wasn't to create more resistance it was simply that the road conditions or to be more exact the road surface was so bad. I am pretty skeptical that it helps to increase tire resistance though as irrespective of which tire or bike I am using I can put in the same power and a least around here the main efforts are on the hills. We have some super steep and long gradients. But let me share my best tip for riding fast based on 30 years of training. 1) eat properly - real food no sweets or sugar and no alcohol. Never eat after 20:00. 2) ride at least 5 days a week 3) train alone as well as in the group 4) this one may be controversial but I don't believe much in the base miles thing- I believe you have to put regular training efforts in which are similar to in a race..... do all of that and your weight will drop and your strength will increase...
I see two problems with this training tip which I've experienced firsthand. 1- you have to ride a bike that feels like crap. Those Schwalbe tires feel like riding on garden hoses, which makes actual riding less enjoyable. You're not really putting in more work overall, you're just doing it slower.
2- It can be a bit of a shock going into a racing situation with really light wheels you're not used to. Lighter wheel/tire setups can feel twitchy or unstable at high speeds, getting bumped, hitting stuff in the road, Etc.
My training wheels are always heavier than race wheels, but too big of a difference is not always beneficial.
Your points are valid but I still feel the benefits outweigh these
I used to be an elite swimmer back in the days of Geoff Heugill and Michael Klim (who I raced in Germany once - close for 50m but I lost) and we would ALWAYS train in baggy trunks. They were like parachutes and had the same effect. TRAINING SPEED DOESN'T MATTER! Great idea for a strong spring after winter, but you're right that almost no one will do it (me included! ) Fulcrums and winter tyres yes but this is next level hurt!
Know of those men! Thanks for sharing Alex, much appreciated. Cam
You knows of those men as they won multiple medals at Worlds and Olympics. You’ve not heard of me...! (Heugill was robbed at the Sydney games in my opinion)
@@alexboyce27 Baggy trunks wouldn't amount much to getting stronger as the speed for such base miles is not that high for baggy trunks to cause substantial resistance. On your tempo riding days yes definitely otherwise not. Besides cycling jerseys look so cool and aesthetic appeal is so great that makes us stand out. Baggy stuff would just kill our style
Power is power, your equipment is only a factor that slows you down. Plus it's just anedctodal evidence. There is a need of some scientific studies. In my opinion, no matter the wheels, just ride faster and longer
@@picklerick3525 1min of extra climbing is not the factor it would get you fitter, it's the effort you put in it.
l ride a 30km loop 3x week and a 22km loop 3x week as well on two different bikes. ONE is a carbon TREK with rolf wheels and 25s THE OTHER BIKE is an old steel with new wheels shimano RSs and 32s with lower air pressures BUT l find l ride both bikes around the same average speeds and overall times . l will also NOTE the old bike is 8lbs heavier but more comfortable to ride !! l think the overall differences are NOT there because the routes l take are very curvy and that slows me down equally etc. and mostly on a bike path around town . l even have a gravel section which l m surprised both bikes handle it great !! THE ONLY DIFFERENCES I noticed is the TREK accelerates and brakes faster than the old miyata seems to and the miyata rides nicer so l take out which l feel like for that day .SO l recommend have more than one bike and enjoy your riding !!
Thanks for sharing Richard, and I LOVE your recommendation. Cheers, Cam
But, great training tip, makes so much sense!
I have 2 to 5 bicycle commutes a week, depending on the weather. Each is on average ~25 km for a one way trip.
On the back I have a water tight bag for office clothes, locks (few kilo's), laptop, lunch etc. So during the week I do feel the 'luggage',
In the weekend I'm freed from those (~7) kg's of weight and it feels like flying! Same effect I guess 😀
Absolutely, a very similar effect. Thanks for sharing. Cam
Made the change and put a pair of marathons on as suggested, it worked.wouldn’t train with anything else now. Only downside is the kick all the crap up off the road.
haha, nice one Adrian
Schalbe Marathons (green guard, performance line, "The Original"), despite being heavy as hell are actually really fast tires. Not in 28mm though. 35mm is a sweet spot for them. If you wanted slow road bike tires go for something heavily puncture protected like Schwalbe Durano, Lugano or Conti Gatorskin. Those are truly bad rolling garden hoses. Especially at lower pressure. Rolling resistance will make more difference than weight penalty on fast courses.
Thanks for sharing Michal 👍
I’m going to start riding my gravel Ti bike in group rides more often again. I stopped using the gravel bike because it was slower than my race bike but this video puts a different perspective on things, nice.
Hi Cam, thanks for the great tip. I want to train like you did in the video except I want to ride with tubeless tires. I read the comments and kinda agree on some people's opinions that power is power no matter your speed. Could you please elaborate how higher rolling resistance, heavier tires like the Marathon help you train versus race tires?
I don't want to eat through many pairs of expensive, fast tires that don't last much while training. What I want is decent tires that last long, are highly puncture resistant, and provide a decent amount of grip that won't give me any slips on the road. Should I go with heavier, tubeless tires like the ones from the Giant's Gavia all season line-up?
Cheers!
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Can use heavy rims when training too, does a similar job. Riding with knobby tyres is pretty much like training for road on a CX bike.
That is true. The heavy rim tyre combo is ideal Joe 👍
Great video! So I have just ridden my one and only bike on the road (jamis komodo mtb) with 2.8 maxxis ikons. I have recently ordered a specialized sirrus fitness bike 2.0 with 32c tires. I'm excited to feel the difference!:) how much of a difference do you think it will be % wise? Your video is relatable to me, but in a different way! Keep up the good work thanks!
Great vids Cam, my training bike is about 14kg, so I don’t have to do anything to get this setup working 🤪
Interestingly I have been using a gravel bike all winter with 38mm or 25mm schwables and the difference is vast. I'm hoping when I jump onto the TT bike with 23mm on I will be flying. My first season as a vet 60, hoping for sub 22.30 10 Miller
Nice one, thanks for sharing. Cam
Holy crap! That'a awesome. I guess it would be like wearing ankle weights while running. I looked on line and found a local pair at the REI store. Sweet! 👍😁👍
haha, nice analogy! Get stuck in mate. Cheers, Cam
Ankle weight does not improve running economy, it's even riskier to get some injuries thanks to altered running biomechanics...
@jonathan Have you ever tried Ankle weights whilst cycling :D ?
I have used ankle weights while running and had no issues You do get the feeling that your legs are lighter. It's more to work you negative muscle more then your positive ones. Many people tend to forget the negative. I got this advise from a physical therapist for the Kansas City Chiefs.
As for on the bike.....never tried it. Lol.
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Seems pretty common sense I have been utilizing this training method with my Madone for years, feels like I am cheating when I throw the race wheels on for race day!
Hmm, this tip will definitely be useful for those seasons where you'll be mixing your outdoor with indoor training on rollers as you can use this heavier more durable wheels on your rollers without any care of wearing out the tyres, and will prevent your stock wheels from gathering dust
Yes good point Omar.
So basically in a nutshell. You are just doing resistance training.
For someone who does mostly indoor training, I believe this doesn't matter as much.. But f.or those who train mostly outside I can see where the differences can be made
Yes, it's like going to the gym and lifting heavier weights Ian. Correct re indoor. Cheers, Cam
@@CamNicholls its somewhat like resistance training in the gym but its more than that. You will get much more benefit than just a resistance training.
Came here for the comment! thanks! 15 minutes is too long but appreciate the effort
At constant speed the weight should not matter hardly at all, same probably for the rolling resistance, but these few seconds could be caused by the acceleration at the start, if it wasn't a rolling start....
Great idea I'll try to ride my heavy bikes as fast as my lite ones
Wish you went over comfort. I bet the training tires are also noticeably more comfortable, which could also lead to more time in the road.
Good point you raise. Thanks for putting on the thread. Cam
Interesting episode. Thought though...rather than investing in training wheels and heavy tyres ($$$), wouldn't it be more cost effective to simply add weight to your existing bike 🤔 For example, filling a bidon with sand (assuming you have 2 bidons on your bike), or training with a backpack on etc. I for example, simply train locally on a very heavy touring bike (13.5kg), but do my weekend bunch rides on my Cannondale carbon. It's the old saying, 'train heavy...race light'. Interesting comparison, would be to compare your fastest setup (wheels/tyres), then to add weight as I suggested above. Then compare that to the Marathon/wheel combo. I would watch that episode for sure 😐
You want weight on the rotating mass. Makes resistance more impactful than of it were just on the bike. Can
Subscribed! Somewhat unrelated question: what about swapping brake pads with carbon rims vs alloy rims? Isn't that advised? I have carbon and alloy wheels but don't like switching them because the "required brake pads" are different. Does that matter and can I just use my "carbon-specific pads" on my alloy wheels?
Thanks for supporting the channel Peter. Yes, you should definitely switch pads. I didn't for this one lap out of pure laziness. I also didn't touch the brakes the entire time. Slowed myself down by jumping onto the grass! Cam
Late viewer in the states. Could this possibly be achieved on rollers by adding weight in increments? I don't have other tires/tyres to choose from.
Is so what would be recommend in weight increments? Thank you - WPineda-
Bro I use these since I work for deliveroo, combined with slim tubes…. My wheels probably weigh about 5kg all together . 30 miles a day , I wonder what would happen if I used something light
Excellent vid man! Looks like I gotta get some training tires!! Great tip!!
Cheers Ethan. Cam
I use the Pro Lite Bracciano A42 as my training wheel, full alloy 42mm deep wheel. They are pretty heavy and strong but look good. Only $500 on wiggle.
Nice tip, thanks for sharing Darren. Might look into them myself.
Very interesting Cam. Having used my training bike and was advised to get used to the bike you ride and change the wheels for training ( via Crowie) the problem I found was the gears do not index and who wants to bother with all this when you just want to ride, SO, having watched this. Lets keep my BMC with the Durace 40 wheels at home and train on the Merida Scultura with the DT Swiss 1900 of which I have put on my Giant Defy and hated them. Should I hate them even more and train this way? We have all herd those stories when Simon Gerrands said to Davo Sanders about his heavy bike " You gave me the same training as the others, so I have to train harder"
Good points you raise mate. With limited time in the week to train it really does give you a lift, but only for when you are serious about training for an event. When I'm just riding for fun, I bin the Marathons!
Can you add weight with water bottles, backpacks, vests, loose clothing etc. and achieve the same results?
Yes, but not quite as it counts most on the rotating mass of a bike! Cam
Bro did you just switch alloy to carbon without changing the break pads?
Screw the wheels. How do you have an empty and quiet road for crits
Haha! I’ve already made a video about that one! ruclips.net/video/LMoenwlJ-CU/видео.html
i do that what u have just talk about and it done work thank Cam Nicholls
Nice tip, you could even take it a step further by riding with some gym weights in a rucksack.
That would be hardcore Max! Cam
If you train to a distance at specific power, then I can see your point.
Not getting a flat in 10.000K was my only reason for buying the marathons (plus). Now I can imagine how much faster I could be if I had a proper bike/wheels/tires :-)
Wow, that's solid. Thanks for sharing! Cam
Hi Cam, completely agree with this theory, however being a bit lazy to change wheels I just ride a heavier winter training bike approx 1 Kg heavier with 28mm tyres for most of my training, do you think this will have a similar benefit at the end of a 6 week training session.
Hey David, I know the feeling! It should have similar effects. The consideration is the rotating mass with wheels, so every pedal stroke counts. Heavy bikes hinder mostly when the roads point upwards, but I still think you'd get good gain from it. Well played. Cam
@@CamNicholls Thanks Cam, will let you know in 6 weeks have a 60 km road race with a couple of decent hills, managed 6th last year but am a year older now at 65, so looking for all the marginal gains I can get. Cheers.
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I really like your videos but regarding this one...I think a watt is a watt no matter how fast you are going.
I can see this technique as useful if you have no powermeter and don't like or know how to go hard yet still want to keep up with your mates and get a extremely hard workout "without noticing", kind of what happens with the AIRhub
Fair call Juan, I understand your perspective. I do bunch rides though and these force you to work harder.
3:42 When you're taking to long to change your tire and the group begins to take off
Would have been interesting to see average heart rate for each wheel set.
Are you still training with this setup?
So I’ve been riding on a gravel bike with 105 for over a year now and I’m still running the knobbly WTB’s it came with and have been riding on average of 100-200 miles a week over flat and severe climbs and averaging 18mph on the flat ride outs, usually 20-40 miles and 15mph on the climbs again the same distances. From this video I’d expect to see massive gains of improvement if I switched to a proper road bike which I’m currently searching for but as no local shops open in the Uk as yet il continue to ride as is! I’m guessing il see a big difference if I switch out the tyres but I’m a noob when it comes to bikes but I’ve loved riding any chance I could get, any recommendations on tyre choices?
Thanks for sharing Steven. I’m not much of a tyre researcher, more road bikes! Good luck
So you're using a Quarq PM with Shimano RD? Which Quarq version did you go with? Sram? Shimano? or generic 5 bolts?
Not sure, this power meter is about 6 years old Omar. Cam
Plz reply some to me if I`m wrong...
When my coach tells me go with x.cad and y.heart rate and z.power, it does not depend on any bike part!
I just produce 233 watts on my bike for example... I`ll produce 233 watts on a diff bike too....
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you are just right if the training program is based on distance or speed
If you ride solo all the time to a specific plan then it’s not a major impact. I’d be surprised though if you never went bunch riding or out with friends. Then you will be required to produce more! Cheers
What sense does it make when pushing heavy wheels make you slow while you could keep riding your nice light rims, you get out more 'cos it's goodlooking and that means, you get stronger! Outside the placebo effect of going faster, I don't see any performance benefit. Want some resistance training? how about ride a gear or two higher on your favorite route on your pair of bling bling wheels? now how about that?
You have to work harder in every environment. Rolling by yourself, bunch riding, the list goes on Kay. Cam
@@CamNicholls If I do an average speed of 34km/h alone, how much do you think that would equal to in a bunch ride of at least 40 riders who equally like to go fast as me?
Brilliant! Multifaceted approach. Thanks mate!
Thank you mate 👍
another brilliant video..Too bad i Don't have the luxury to try that many wheels...but i get the point. Cheers from Montréal !
haha, thank you mate. Cam
Are you suggesting that a HEAVIER bike overall, will also improve your cycling strength? (heavy frame and components, including tires)
Yes because It will force you to use more energy over the same distance. It will also force you to use more energy in and out of the draft.
@@basedneeble7350 Can't you get the SAME WORKOUT by cycling a LIGHTER bike LONGER, or going UPHILL and against the wind?
In days gone by I'd commute with a backpack and 30mm tyres .. when I got on my race bike for a ride on the weekend I felt like I had a motor!
Love it! Thanks for sharing Kevin. Cam
7years ago, when I was riding my 14kg trekking bike, I thought how can anyone avg 30k on a 80k trip ? now I know better
Just subbed. What drive train do you have on the bike?
Thanks for supporting the channel. The Praxis Works 53/39 Sram Red cranks and quarq power meter:
Do you recon it would work with an older bike as well, as I’ve got an old vintage road bike and a normal road bike as well??
Yes, many people go the older heavier road bike. However you really want the extra weight on the rotating mass of the bike! Cam
The foldable clincher has kevlar bead, while the other one has a wire bead. Basic stuff, mate.
It's interesesting but I train in 10% hard on mountain segments and 90% at zone one or two HR so for me it wouldn't really help, but I'm lucky with my local topography.
Thanks for sharing. Cam
This is a great vid mate
Cheers for the training tip
Thank you Andrew, much appreciated. Cam
what gear do you use for speed, cadence, watts etc?? and who would dislike this? holy jebes. Dont b a hater, go out and ride!
haha, every video no matter the topic I'll get dislikes. Human nature, but thanks for sticking up for the vid! I am using a Quar q and for the overlays on the Go Pro I use Garmin VIRB. Cheers, Cam
Makes sense...
Marathons & ankle weights (as someone mentioned already) but on a road bike? !
Na, guess not lol
I Wish have that dream bike. Thanks for the tp.
hey Cam, are you riding in the velothon this weekend.
No, Rodney, I am heading down to Brisbane to become a cycling coach this weekend, unfortunately. Cycling Queensland are running training. Maybe next year! Cam
I want to try this but, it would make it hard for Strava to keep track of my k's on wheels.
Haha! Yes you need to kiss the KOMs goodbye Byron.
Not really...just create another bike in Strava that has the different wheel/training combo. For example...Specialised Tarmac Fulcrum 5 & Marathon tyres🤔
Lucky bastard. Angry clouds cold and boring Melbourne here. Winter is tender booring here.
You need to come here for a ride Jason. It's the best time of year to ride!
This is sort of like a training method for running middle distance that saw some popularity in the 1960's - adding light ankle weights, and incrementally increasing the weight as you saw improvement. Why not tape a few grams to the rims, obviously being careful to distribute it evenly? The weight could be carefully adjusted upward to keep your perceived expenditure of effort constant. Taking the weights off before race day would be like dying and going to Heaven. Or sending your opponents to Hell. One or the other.
I had the same idea with the 650b wheels with slicks on my gravel bike
Nice one Jonathan! Cam
It's amazing that Bernard Hinault did not need those types of crutches.
Three thoughts. (1) None of us are Hinault (2) How well might he have ridden if he had? (3) Maybe he did.
@@OslerWannabe cheating didn't get popular until about 1970.
I am always faster after riding my 41 lb fat bike. 4.8 inch Nobby tires at 8psi. Then back on road bike a day later. 25c Conti 5000s at 95 psi on carbon 40 mm wheels. Bike weighs 16.5 lbs. Setting new PRs by the day.
Isn’t it the tire pressure of 90 per each individual weight?