Hugely respect Dave having someone on who is against something Dave advocates heavily for (speed work, bands) and not only listening to him but putting out his perspective as a seperate vid. I feel like most people wouldn't do that.
Jimmy Kolb is an unlimited equipped lifter that won’t benefit from accommodating resistance as much as raw or lighter gear lifters. He doesn’t need to train velocity or speed due to the type of help he gets from the gear.
Am I gonna take the advice of a 1 of 1 athlete who only trains himself or the guy trains thousands and isn’t a genetic anomaly? I think the answer is quite clear. A word of warning to all lifters - if a guy is seemingly a freak, don’t take his advice. They’re the exception, not the rule.
Is this dude benching 3.5x what I am? Yep. So why would I argue? His way works. I lift with bands and chains twice a week because if I don’t I feel so beat up from straight weight I can’t rough house with my 4 year old boy. Neither answer is wrong imho…
Honestly just do what works for you but don’t be afraid to try what’s worked in the past or what others have done. It might work it might not. That’s what makes the fitness journey enjoyable. Anything can work. You don’t have to hate anything just see the value in it & get a deep understanding of whatever it is. Not everything will work for everyone but don’t disregard it for someone else b/c you don’t like it. Always keep an open mind about everything as a trainer, athlete, or just the average person going to the gym to better themselves.
You can tell for Jimmy his schedule and his lifting notebook are very important, and I think that's a big part of why he trains the way he does. Especially if you don't have your own gym and can't just set your chains how you want or always use exactly the same bands, consistency gets very difficult. How long was the chain leader? What link was clipped to the leader? These things make a big difference in where the weight actually lifts off the ground. An even bigger difference if you're trying to be the all time world record holder I really don't want to write "315 bench with 18 link lead chain, 65 lb chain clipped in the middle" in my book, which is why I work out in my garage.
I believe high affordance athletes forget that they are high affordance athletes. Ronnie Coleman was always going to be huge, Usain Bolt was always going to be fast, Randy Moss was always going to be in the NFL. Due to the heighten nature of their performance, an efficiency has to occur that can almost be viewed as reductionist.
@@JeanKlaud93 Randy Moss only has to do a few things to get better because he’s a genetic freak. Julian Edelman has to do many things because he’s not.
But that means they have far more wiggle room to do stupid shit, so if certain things doesn't work well for them, it means those things would work even worse for the average Joe, no?
It's a good point. By asking the very best, you might not get the correct answer, because the best are naturally also the most genetically gifted and that might allow them the liberty of not having to figure out how to do things the right way. For them the most important variables are simply habit and hard work. These are very important for all, but they aren't technicalities of training methodology. It would ironically be better to ask the ones that have struggled really hard to make any progress, because their genetics suck so much they had to figure out what objectively works the best for human physiology in order to overcome their short comings.
Title should be 'Most over-rated exercises that do not work for me personally' - RUclips is full of best/worst exercises, even AthleanX does it - What doesn't work for one person works fine for another - I can't do DB or Military shoulder presses because of a rotator cuff issue but I can do Arnold presses, same goes for incline bench, wrecks my shoulder so I have to do a seated incline machine press instead - All exercises are good unless done with bad form that could lead to injury - infinitely better than sitting in a chair getting fat and growing cheese on your c0ck
I've measured band strength by mounting them on the rack just above my lockout height, and hanging weight on the bands until the weight pulls the band downward a distance equal to how much the bar pushes the band upward. Whatever weight moves the band this distance is the amount of "weight" the band is adding at lockout.
Bands took my bench from 440 to 545 in roughly 3 months. I will always value bands, but similar to this gentleman, leading up to a meet I use purely straight weight.
You don’t have to like bands and chains and speed work but you can’t overlook the force velocity curve. If sport specificity were that simple, baseball players would be swinging weighted bats as their strength training.
Respect to Jimmy on his thoughts on bands...I agree about the straight weight training I think people might use bands too much but that dose not mean there's not a place for it Fred Hartfield CAT compensatory acceleration they did a study on division 1 football players the group that did CAT almost doubled there power on bench press
I don’t think he went about using speed work properly if it beat him up that bad lol you don’t have to use like 60% if it’s to much use 40 and strict form I just can’t see how acomadating resistance couldn’t work it makes sense on all playing fields
I mean a lot of people use bands to get over sticking points or weaknesses, even plateaus, or even as a good way to reprogram power and speed but so can taking some weight off the bar and practicing that movement in a more explosive manner, with as much tension as possible.
Bands suck because you blast through the band resistance with the inertia of the weight and then all of a sudden you have a ton of extra tension on the locked out joints. Its beats you up for nothing.
I understand what he's saying but I think bands are very useful. I still need to buy some elitefts mini bands. Also there been plenty of people like Matt winning who's got good use out of bands. Depends on the person I guess. Bands for shoulder mobility or warming up are great too.
Chains an bands have there place i use them every other week with as much weight as possible on the bar i shoot for an all out effort set of 6-8 reps . I dont use chains at certain points i use them from top of the bar to the floor . Works like magic when i go back to bar an weights alone . Speed out the hole is insane . To this day i have never found anything to get me faster out the hole . . I dont believe in training with light weights an then bands or chains added i believe the you have to make those sets hard just dont fuck your self up . But thats me . People find diffrent shit that works for them all the time .anything done properly can work for people as long as your not stupid an over do it . Hell i even put chains on the standing military press to . And the muscles got extremely sore the standing press chain couldve been stupid though . But damn if shooting for a top set of 6-8 with chains from top of bar to the floor wasnt magic . Just rotated every other week with them . Now my dumb ass is following somone elses templetes to see if theres progression . If i dont get a big pay off in 18 weeks ima go back to doing it my way
Perfect example of how the most genetically blessed athletes don’t always know the most about training. What this guy does would work for almost no one.
@Joe Schmo highest equipped bench press is 1350 I believe. Done by him. Just because it was not raw, it's still a bench press. 2 totally different sports. Anyone who can hold 1300 lb in their hands let alone lower it under control is a strong mother fucker
@@joeschmo2693 he benched 1320lbs (equipped obviously, not raw) in competition. Heaviest equipped powerlift in competition ever. Personally i think 600 raw is preferable but i can't do either!
It depends on what your weakness is. If you have weak shoulders ( failing in midrange) incline and ohp will work. If you have weak tricep, close grip will work, etc.
This guy's an equipped lifter so dips and incline probably don't help out cuz it's not specific enough, but for raw lifters those movements 100% affect ur bench. Dips especially.
Hugely respect Dave having someone on who is against something Dave advocates heavily for (speed work, bands) and not only listening to him but putting out his perspective as a seperate vid. I feel like most people wouldn't do that.
I noticed the same thing. Kudos to Dave for doing so. I’d say it speaks volumes what kind guy Dave seems to be.
Dave behaves like a man. Men can control their emotions and their tongue.
Where is the separate video?? Can't find it.
@@tas1424 this is the seperate video mate
Dave isn’t dogmatic much respect Dave
Doesn’t like bands….. lifts in a giant band shirt….😂😂😂
Sorry, but I’m glad someone pointed this out lol
🎤 drop above ya'll, 👏 👏 👏
Hes talking about sport specificity the bands are different than straight weight, that applies geared or raw
Jimmy Kolb is an unlimited equipped lifter that won’t benefit from accommodating resistance as much as raw or lighter gear lifters. He doesn’t need to train velocity or speed due to the type of help he gets from the gear.
Yep lol
He also benches in single ply as well, and has the SP bench records at 110, 140 and 140+
This man is always talking about straight weight, but when do we use gay weight?
lol.
Am I gonna take the advice of a 1 of 1 athlete who only trains himself or the guy trains thousands and isn’t a genetic anomaly? I think the answer is quite clear. A word of warning to all lifters - if a guy is seemingly a freak, don’t take his advice. They’re the exception, not the rule.
Is this dude benching 3.5x what I am? Yep. So why would I argue? His way works. I lift with bands and chains twice a week because if I don’t I feel so beat up from straight weight I can’t rough house with my 4 year old boy. Neither answer is wrong imho…
Honestly just do what works for you but don’t be afraid to try what’s worked in the past or what others have done. It might work it might not. That’s what makes the fitness journey enjoyable. Anything can work. You don’t have to hate anything just see the value in it & get a deep understanding of whatever it is. Not everything will work for everyone but don’t disregard it for someone else b/c you don’t like it. Always keep an open mind about everything as a trainer, athlete, or just the average person going to the gym to better themselves.
Preach brother preach, you said it right.
You can tell for Jimmy his schedule and his lifting notebook are very important, and I think that's a big part of why he trains the way he does. Especially if you don't have your own gym and can't just set your chains how you want or always use exactly the same bands, consistency gets very difficult. How long was the chain leader? What link was clipped to the leader? These things make a big difference in where the weight actually lifts off the ground. An even bigger difference if you're trying to be the all time world record holder
I really don't want to write "315 bench with 18 link lead chain, 65 lb chain clipped in the middle" in my book, which is why I work out in my garage.
Nothing in fitness is cookie cutter, what works for some may not work for others, which is why it’s so great
I believe high affordance athletes forget that they are high affordance athletes.
Ronnie Coleman was always going to be huge, Usain Bolt was always going to be fast, Randy Moss was always going to be in the NFL.
Due to the heighten nature of their performance, an efficiency has to occur that can almost be viewed as reductionist.
You mind putting that in english for us back of the classroom kids? 😅
@@JeanKlaud93 Randy Moss only has to do a few things to get better because he’s a genetic freak. Julian Edelman has to do many things because he’s not.
@@UpstateGardening ok I'm not that slow, thought it was something To this affect!
But that means they have far more wiggle room to do stupid shit, so if certain things doesn't work well for them, it means those things would work even worse for the average Joe, no?
It's a good point. By asking the very best, you might not get the correct answer, because the best are naturally also the most genetically gifted and that might allow them the liberty of not having to figure out how to do things the right way. For them the most important variables are simply habit and hard work. These are very important for all, but they aren't technicalities of training methodology. It would ironically be better to ask the ones that have struggled really hard to make any progress, because their genetics suck so much they had to figure out what objectively works the best for human physiology in order to overcome their short comings.
Most over rated movements? All equipped lifting is over rated.
The blob
😭
What about reverse chains.
lol true
He's right if your competing with straight weights you have to train to that,but it's also good to mix it up or it will get really boring
Title should be 'Most over-rated exercises that do not work for me personally' - RUclips is full of best/worst exercises, even AthleanX does it - What doesn't work for one person works fine for another - I can't do DB or Military shoulder presses because of a rotator cuff issue but I can do Arnold presses, same goes for incline bench, wrecks my shoulder so I have to do a seated incline machine press instead - All exercises are good unless done with bad form that could lead to injury - infinitely better than sitting in a chair getting fat and growing cheese on your c0ck
I've measured band strength by mounting them on the rack just above my lockout height, and hanging weight on the bands until the weight pulls the band downward a distance equal to how much the bar pushes the band upward. Whatever weight moves the band this distance is the amount of "weight" the band is adding at lockout.
Luggage scale works great for measuring tension
Bands took my bench from 440 to 545 in roughly 3 months. I will always value bands, but similar to this gentleman, leading up to a meet I use purely straight weight.
How is that even possible😂
@@willydeezle it's not
@@Matt-pb5pt I don't even think a cycle could do that in 3 months
@@jackryant7189 if he hung the bands from the ceiling...
@@Matt-pb5pt nothing is giving you 105lbs in 90days.
Tried not running conjugate and tore my pecker off!
A 20$ fish scale off amazon lets you easily figure out the band tension at top and bottom (it may not be 100% perfect...but what is?)
You don’t have to like bands and chains and speed work but you can’t overlook the force velocity curve. If sport specificity were that simple, baseball players would be swinging weighted bats as their strength training.
They probably do
Respect to Jimmy on his thoughts on bands...I agree about the straight weight training I think people might use bands too much but that dose not mean there's not a place for it Fred Hartfield CAT compensatory acceleration they did a study on division 1 football players the group that did CAT almost doubled there power on bench press
Title has me intrigued.
It is directed at other geared lifters. If your goals are outside of max lifting in gear, then take what he says with a grain of salt.
Dave was triggered 😂
What’s wrong with dips though? Aren’t they good for hypertrophy at least??
but isn't a bench shirt basically a shirt made of bands?
For reverse bands you can hang weight and see what the band is lifting at any one point usually want to check the low/weak point
Burpees- and you can easily get hurt doing them!
I don’t think he went about using speed work properly if it beat him up that bad lol you don’t have to use like 60% if it’s to much use 40 and strict form I just can’t see how acomadating resistance couldn’t work it makes sense on all playing fields
I mean a lot of people use bands to get over sticking points or weaknesses, even plateaus, or even as a good way to reprogram power and speed but so can taking some weight off the bar and practicing that movement in a more explosive manner, with as much tension as possible.
Bands suck because you blast through the band resistance with the inertia of the weight and then all of a sudden you have a ton of extra tension on the locked out joints. Its beats you up for nothing.
Interesting POV.
Bands in my Benches always hurt my elbows,
Want to know the force on a band? Use a fish scale. Solved
Scott Mendy said the exact same thing as kolb
As an outsider I have just one question. Was his equipment a new technology or the same kind of shirts they’ve been using for a while?
I agree bands suck I never got anything out of them but beat up joints and pain.
I understand what he's saying but I think bands are very useful. I still need to buy some elitefts mini bands. Also there been plenty of people like Matt winning who's got good use out of bands. Depends on the person I guess. Bands for shoulder mobility or warming up are great too.
Band work has helped me with speed towards my 1R Maxes..to each its own tho.
Doesn't a Slingshot accommodate the resistance curve?
Chains an bands have there place i use them every other week with as much weight as possible on the bar i shoot for an all out effort set of 6-8 reps . I dont use chains at certain points i use them from top of the bar to the floor . Works like magic when i go back to bar an weights alone . Speed out the hole is insane . To this day i have never found anything to get me faster out the hole . . I dont believe in training with light weights an then bands or chains added i believe the you have to make those sets hard just dont fuck your self up . But thats me . People find diffrent shit that works for them all the time .anything done properly can work for people as long as your not stupid an over do it . Hell i even put chains on the standing military press to . And the muscles got extremely sore the standing press chain couldve been stupid though . But damn if shooting for a top set of 6-8 with chains from top of bar to the floor wasnt magic . Just rotated every other week with them . Now my dumb ass is following somone elses templetes to see if theres progression . If i dont get a big pay off in 18 weeks ima go back to doing it my way
Dood… weighted dips are 🔥
Don’t sleep on dips
Yes. Bench, Dead and squats
Perfect example of how the most genetically blessed athletes don’t always know the most about training. What this guy does would work for almost no one.
He could even know a lot about training but found out what works best for HIM. That's what they are talking about here.
Another large aspect to it is the fact that he does equipped lifting. There's no way he's going relatively as heavy as often as he does equipped.
Oh god yeah if I lifted as intense as this guy I would die lol
Can't argue with him he moves massive weights. I just personally love using bands. But I'm not benching 1300 either
No one benches 1300.
@Joe Schmo highest equipped bench press is 1350 I believe. Done by him. Just because it was not raw, it's still a bench press. 2 totally different sports. Anyone who can hold 1300 lb in their hands let alone lower it under control is a strong mother fucker
@@elim5353 Yeah. Probably a 600 lb plus bencher. That's pretty strong. No one can bench 1300 lbs.
@@joeschmo2693 he benched 1320lbs (equipped obviously, not raw) in competition. Heaviest equipped powerlift in competition ever. Personally i think 600 raw is preferable but i can't do either!
@@joeschmo2693 he did
Have to disagree on chains. Building that lockout is important. That’s like saying bench blocks are useless
Doesn’t like bands because the speed up the weight , but benches in bench suit 🤦♂️🤦♂️
I had the same experience with the deload time, nice to hear a different opnion on it.
He’s right about incline and dips doing nothing for my flat bench. However different grip widths and dumbbells are what really works for me.
It depends on what your weakness is. If you have weak shoulders ( failing in midrange) incline and ohp will work. If you have weak tricep, close grip will work, etc.
This guy's an equipped lifter so dips and incline probably don't help out cuz it's not specific enough, but for raw lifters those movements 100% affect ur bench. Dips especially.
Yoga is where it is at, folks.
Yoga is where? It is at folks? Down word dog .
No dips?