I work 9 to 5 in an office. My job has me out in the community regularly and isn't eligible for work from home, which for me works really well. I leave AT 5, To the point where one of my coworkers said "you don't stay a minute past so you?" Uhhh no.
@@setheastman4181 same for me. I have to work everyday 10 minutes more so that my boss won't complain. I don't like that. Also, she usually tells me I have to stay longer just 10 minutes before I leave.
Aye. I worked in a local IT company, where CEO would send us emails at 2 am asking work related stuff. Weekend calls and after hours random calls for the "quick question". Pay was shite and people would be canned for expressing concerns over tracking software. And every monthly meeting he would talk about how passionate we should be.
Yep. Don’t know why is it so hard for some dumb people out there to understand that. It’d make as much sense as being as invested on someone else’s romantic relationship as the couple itself.
Ain't that the truth. I worked a job in the past 10 years where I went above and beyond making my team manager look good and my own work look good. What did they do? Told me it was meeting expectations and I needed to do more x, y and z. Meanwhile I was running circles around anyone else who attempted to do my post. Hot garbage. You work for yourself only for yourself. When that clock is done - you're done.
@@TKUltra971 Absolutely! I can relate so much to your experience. Same thing happened to me on my first job as a copywriter. I tried to break into the industry and would work my ass off. Boss took credit for my ideas. It was then that I learned it's every man for himself and all of that family BS is just that - BS.
If she terminated his employment for not working overtime without pay, it sounds like she has set herself up for a lawsuit. This is a great confession posted online
Young people think that if you are butt-hurt for any reason you can just run to a lawyer and get a lot of money. It would cost him up to $100,000 in attorney fees and probably would get nothing. Only lawyers make money. And they don't work 9-5 and set boundaries.
@@MrMementoOri if most jobs are at-will, can’t the organization just get away with it? I’m not sure there’s a strong case to be made for those whose bosses fire them after they refuse to do overtime etc. Ow.
I was a young and naive worker and I was panicking because I didn't finish a project by the end of the day on Friday. It didn't have a due date, but I still was going to stay late to finish it. My older coworker caught me and said "go home, enjoy your weekend, the work will still be here on Monday." I've never forgotten that.
Similar thing happened to me when I started my job. I was going to skip part of a party to finish work and my manager came by and said that to me. It was nice.
If your boss calls you after work hours, then call him back when he is sleeping, repeatedly, asking questions. I did the same with my past manager and from that moment he always thinks twice before calling.
It shouldn't be illegal to email, since those can be ignored by the employee. There's nothing wrong with my boss sending me stuff for me to read the next day at my starting hour.
it is not illegal, it is the culture in companies. the server does not deliver emails sent from company aca from managers outside working time. I know I am from Europe
@@fromscratch2654 I have noticed that I can do more and better when working at home because I get less distracted. Of course, it is nice from time to time to chat to colleagues, and I do so on Teams when I feel like it. But a lot lesser than in the office. It's therefore so frustrating that most employers want you to come to the office.
I'm in Gen X and had overworked almost every job I had, given up my personal life and had terrible work/life boundaries in my 20's & 30's. I've progressed less in my career than younger colleagues who have boundaries. This writer has archaic expectations.
Same. I finally quit my last employer and started a dog walking business. I don't hustle and make a fortune but I still make more than when I was an employee. And I work far fewer hours, get to spend them outside with dogs, and answer only to my clients. And I don't have to deal with bullshit. With my extra hours I relax, get things done that used to be extremely difficult during business hours, such as go to preventative health appointments, stay in touch more with family and friends, and if I weren't so lame I'd also be working on my second novel.
I push myself to work a lot, but I respect the people I want to employ. At minimum, at least tie equity to performance goals and vest immediately my dear goodness. If you run out of design space, go start another startup, but then we have people being jerks. This work isn't this hard.
@@littlesongbird1 Frankly, this is one instance where I am not even sorry for her. Even if she thinks like this she MUST know how much push back this kind of thinking nowadays gets. I mean, the whole article IS about that! And she somehow thought she would only get few people whining and that's it? She is a woman of business and yet she had no sense of PR or "do not dig yourself into a gigantic hole"? Tough luck.
Yep, and my office is set up so that everyone sits in cubicles facing the "executives" in the glass offices in front of us like a classroom and a teacher.
I am aromantic person, and very introverted, and still would never be willing to sacrifice all my free time to work. Some employers forget that employees are people, not robots
@cablecow15 let's be honest, she would never get cats, they are very 'boundaries' oriented. Just TRY and invade their privacy/limits when they don't want it and see what it gets you...
Many women bosses are also power-trippers and love doing this kinda thing - especially if it's men they're lording it over, because many women will agree with them when it comes to denigrating and demonising men, even without knowing the full story
I had a co-worker that would put in extra hours without being paid and delay his vacation, because the team/company needed him, then they decided to fire hundreds of employees to meet their shareholder dividend target, so they fired him. And they wonder why people are no longer willing to prioritize work over quality of life. 🤦🏻♂️
@@ChrisPTY507 Worst thing is that I had warned him about exactly what happened and that by doing extra work for free or sacrificing life balance, he was making the other employees look bad and making them feel like they had to do it too. So it was kind of poetic justice that he got his ass fired and I didn't.
As a younger person, thank you for keeping an open mind about the way culture and society evolves, instead of just saying "it worked in my day, why doesn't it work now?!".
As a Millennial, this article is the first time I've heard of us attaining professional success through hard work. I thought we were just chronically unhappy and never really compensated as well as past generations were.... I guess that's a supervisor's definition of professional success...
I completely agree. I also retired. I am poor. Just SS. I couldn't make a living in corporate America. In 50 years all I saw was an elite make all the money and the actual workers be abused. It got worse as time went by. They chiseled benefits so health insurance was an early casualty. They chipped away at the 401 contributions. Vacation was another victim. Annual bonusses were a laughable tap dance. The last one I witnessed was when managment got massive bonusses and the workers got half a percent. Bear in mind that they were making about $8 or 9 and hour so half a percent was a joke. Managers were making $150k a year and were receiving maybe $10k apiece. A slap in the face. I applaud the younger people fighting these aholes.
@@izifaddag8221 So true! Thx to Reagan and Thatcher - the job market degraded year after year. Today people cannot live like their parent on one salary with a normal mortgage. And so everyone is in deep debt. It's really time to fight back
I gave you a thumbs up. Should the employees work as hard as the employer if they are not getting the same benefits? How do we define "as hard" I'm not trying to challenge you in a debate. It's RUclips, never know the intentions of the comnments
I worked for a company that was family owned. I was able to interact with the owner who was a little fat old man who couldn't walk anymore. He was a funny dude, but I loathed him at times. He sat comfortably in his little mansion with his wife. He would always brag about how he works 80+ hours a week, when all he did was watch the news and read articles pertaining to gold/silver/platinum buying and selling. He got to live the high life off of the work his employees did and claimed that sitting in a rocking chair for 80+ hours reading articles was working. Not even counting the fact that he only paid 15% of the value of those precious metal on average, unless it was something he could resell at an exaggerated cost. He also paid me shit because "you use a company car," while then saying I couldn't use said vehicle for anything other than work. I quit on the spot after 1 year and making only $2 above min wage while doing all the work his regional manager did. I made sure to ensure that all the stuff I managed while making less than a burger flipper was badly sorted and in random places before I left. Heard the Regional Manager flipped when he saw the state of their storage units after I realized they were milking me for hard labor. Just as how he milked the misery of the people selling their jewelry or precious metals for profit (most people trying to make ends meet came to the stores, or trying to get money to buy their kids gifts for once). No one, not even small business owners, care for you more than yourself and you should always strive to upgrade when the opportunity presents itself.
@@NoName-eu2xw I own a small business. I pay a fair wage for a fair days work, but here is why my employees will never get the same benefits as me. When times are good, they get their checks. When times are bad, they still get their checks, even if I don't get anything. I risked all of my treasure to start my business, they risked nothing. If the business didn't make it I lose everything. So if you want to get some skin in the game, you can invest $20 or $10 grand into the business. I have made that offer to every all my employees. None of them had the balls to invest. So, No... When the time comes when I get sweet paydays, they still just get their checks.
Honestly we should write anyone who employs her to fire her for creating toxic work environments. she should ALSO be unemployed for this bs and should be made an example of so that managers become afraid of doing this shit. like no bullshit, spreading this kind of toxic bs should result in being homeless for a while.
Lizard people like the writer of this article will always have work; they will be the company shill until they are rewarded with just enough power to abuse it. There’s always room in a corrupted culture for another culture to feast.
Yes but these are a special set of employers. They are not like you and I. These are Sociopaths or Psychopaths who have acquired power over others. They are the ones complaining.
Yeah, probably wanted a young male intern she could manipulate. Men do the same thing in the corporate world but at least we don't write hit piece articles when we fire them for basic self confidence.
@@NymbusCumulo928 We? Lmao what the fokck. It's not a we my guy. It's a you. Not me though. She was definitely a female predator let's just assume that righteously because females do it all the damn time.
@@Syncopia Oh god yes it is. I worked at a company that used to only one person in HR and they were hired from the marketing department (this was before I worked there). HUGE mistake. Company almost went under when employees sued one after another for broken employment standard laws that the HR person was clueless about. They fired the HR person and hired someone with a gender studies degree. Fifteen years later and didn't lose a single case again and have remained profitable. Hire someone with some decent awareness of both employment standards but also to avoid pitfalls that could be challenged and you will keep your ass out of the fire. The owner is still an asshole but his company hasn't done any stupid shit during COVID because his HR department manager is run by someone who knows what they're doing.
Lol, what a pack of lies from that guy about HR with gender studies as a good qualification. Anyone who studies in nonsesnes is just nonsesne. Go peddle ur lgbtq agenda elsewhere
Currently working for a company that boasted that last year they broke sales records and 'thanked' us for all the hard work, and they kept reminding everyone how many records were broken for months. Well it turns out that all of these 'insane records' being broken is not translating into any bonuses or into any pay raises, so why in the crap even tell us that records were broken and that they expect us to keep breaking them with our effort? So many managers/bosses in general now days have no idea how to handle their workplace morale when they know they can't/wont give out more money.
I hate to break it to you, but all the record breaking bonuses were probably shelled out by corporate, but the managers and bosses kept all of it for themselves.
I would love to see this article used in a lawsuit about being wrongfully terminated. She states explicitly that she fired the employee for working his contracted hours.
If everything in the article is completely true, she also states that his actual work was deficient enough for him to have been fired, but he was given an opportunity to make up for it. He refused.
@@shaunlasich2330 But the article blatantly says it was because he wouldn't work beyond 9-5. She also never said he would be compensated for extra work, nor did she say in his contract that overtime was expected. It's pretty clear she's in the wrong. A good case can be made against her just from this article.
@@shaunlasich2330lawyer here, nO. You cannot create your own proofs. You cannot write an article yourself and then expect it to be used as a proof against somebody else. It can, however, be used as proof against you. So yeah, legally speaking writing this article is shooting yourself on the foot.
@@shaunlasich2330Are you the The manager that I had at Wendy's 5 years ago? Cause that stupid sacker shit thought that it wasn't illegal to make people stay after clocking out to redo a floor. You got a fire very fucking quickly. It doesn't matter how bad if a job someone did, Nowhere in America is it legal to force someone to fix their mistakes without pay. So like the other People have said Just This article alone is grounds for a lawsuit.
@@shaunlasich2330 No? She literally admitted that she fired him because he did not want to work beyond his contractual hours, being 9-5. If she fired him for it then that is illegal as fuck.
@@dannyhantx kinda funny. Ive worked 2 internships at massive corporations whose “overtime pay” policy is to not report it. Legally sure they are supposed to do that. But do they? Sometimes
I remember working for T-MOBILE and the VP spoke to us. He went on a rant about how work-life balance was wrong and we need to look to have work-life synergy and how our work should be apart of every part of our life. I quit shortly after.
@Susel Oh they’ve been the uncarrier for years they just go back and fourth with how they advertise it. So when I first started we were the uncarrier but couldn’t say the word. It was such a sickening and mentally painful company to work for
Going “above and beyond” for most employers just leads to them take advantage of you. It goes from “you’re doing a great job and I’ve been hearing good things about you” to “ you don’t even know how to do your job correctly” when the topic of a pay raise comes into play🙄 Always be cautious of companies saying they are trying to build a “family” environment. All that means is they want you to have some weird cult like dedication to them and take on extra responsibilities without extra pay.
imagine this in any other relationship. "I left my girlfriend because her insistence on boundaries" "I'm no longer friends with Jack because of his insistence on boundaries" "We disowned our kids because of their insistence on boundaries" Hell, even just some rando you're chatting with in the park is expected to have boundaries. But oh no, god forbid your EMPLOYEES have them!
probably last-ever direct report if potential job seekers see it. I saw someone else say the article had been taken down (didn't check it out for myself)
Hearing this makes me think what actually happened was HE made the decision to leave the job on his own terms and she decided to write an article about it to make herself feel better
She wrote an article about it because she got well paid, and received more publicity than ten million dollars could buy. If you think for a second she won't find someone who is willing to work harder and longer, you're living in fantasy land.
I worked a job for 8 years where I progressed from maintenance guy to assistant manager. At one point after I got into management and on salary, I figured out my hourly wage at one point, and I was making less than minimum wage. I threatened to quit at one point and got a raise, but not as much as I wanted. A couple years later, when dating my then fiance, I was no longer as committed (mind you I kept track of hours and I was working just as many) and was leaving early every now and then to be with my now wife of 25 years, my boss told me "you're going to have the rest of your life to spend with her" as a justification for why I should be more committed to the job. That was the moment she lost me. I quit soon after.
Lol. Just the rest of your life? Like the 2 hours a day you have left over after working for them? Lmao, and for the rest of your life, it's amazing how ignorant she was about saying that.
Haha. As opposed to your coworkers who will either ultimately leave or get fired, so you have no incentive to build any kind of long-term relationship with?
As a writer too, I know it is her job to know how words work. It goes to show out how profoundly of the loop she is with current trends because establishing boundaries is seen as a smart, responsible thing to do. It has been popular in self help and mental health in the last few years. Saying his boundaries got him fired was NOT going to get her sympathy from anyone alive in 2021.
I imagine that it could make it more difficult to find replacements. Who wants to work for such a disrespectful ass. If she fired him for misspelling, I would have been OK with that. Spelling was a job performance issue, fair enough. Her lack of respect for boundaries amounts to theft. Let's say that his spelling were perfect, he worked as long as she asked and was attentive after hrs, great employee by her standards. So for this performance he takes a $150/week out of her purse. Just walks up and pilfers her wallet without notice or consideration. I don't feel like she'd think thats OK. As I see it, that is less of an offense that calling him after hours. Here's why. He can hand the money back and there are no losses. That time that he spends on the phone while at his kids baseball game, can't be returned. Imo, she just gave notice to perspective employees to steer clear. She also gave notice to potential employers to steer clear. I wouldn't want her in a leadership role or representing my company.
When people write indepently or through the corporate govt owned sponsored media channels, they have to write articles that align with 'govt' narratives to help their corporate buddies. This is why ppl need to stop reading or watching govt sponsored anything. People need to learn who these media outlets work for and if they're part of the 6 media mega giants or their subsidies, then stop being brainwashed and ignore them instead of giving them a forum.
@@billgreathouse1913 She should get a managerial position at Wal-Mart....oh, wait! Even they know better than to have their folks work after clocking out- because they got SUED for doing that!
I had a boss that wanted to work late into the night on a project creating centerpieces for an event. I said, "No, I have a family that I need to get home to." The only reason she wanted to work late was because she did not plan properly. That was her problem and my family should not pay the price for it, so I left. I got targeted big time after that, but so what, it was the right thing to do. I left the company as soon as I found another job.
One of my favorite sayings in the workplace has always been, 'a failure to plan on your part does not create an emergency on my part'. I've seen this far too often where poor management, bad planning created expectations for employees to pick up the slack.
It seems to me that most of the problems management has arise from similar circumstances as this. Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
Women are awful at planning and they even get in trouble in their girls night out. They can't handle extreme work stress and they tend to break down when they can't handle the heat. Seen it happen so many times in my wifes school were she works as a teacher which predominantly staffed by females.
I have no family, and I would never allow a company to dictate my free time. I have nothing to lose if they fire me either, like someone providing for a family does.@@trianglesandsquares420
I once got a "talk" from my "career counselor" at a consulting firm because I wouldn't travel for work because I had already told my parents I would house-and-dog-sit for them. Anyway he told me of how he had travelled away from his wife for eight months to work and then she left him. I said "no dude, YOU left HER." Anyway I got laid off and found a better job. A year later the company went out of business so that guy left his wife for his career and then his career left him. Cool.
@@GossAug Yes, but he paid for lunch so whatever. That company was also big on unpaid overtime. My attitude is that if work is worth doing then it's worth paying for. They had issues with a lot of my attitudes, hence the being laid off thing.
@@STScott-qo4pw No of course not. But some companies "encourage" you to work unpaid overtime to "show commitment to the success of the project" and to be "a team player."
I remember when my parents worked in the 90s before the constant presence on the internet and text messages, once they were home, there was never work related topics in the house, or phone calls or emails. My dad had an odd schedule and he cherished being home, my mom had a 9-5 and sometimes stayed a bit later but rarely. So to say this culture of boundaries from work is new, is complete ignorance.
"Careers in industries like law, medicine, and architecture established reputations early on as high-powered and rigorous" You know what they also had? high wages. You can't threaten a minimum wage worker the same way you can threaten a 8+ figure salary worker. Threatening to fire a minimum wage worker for not doing more is like threatening to cut the legs of a paraplegic if they don't do more leg exorcises.
Not necessarily, because a person making good money might have savings and other resources to fall back on if there were fired, than someone working minimum wage. You can't really threaten an employee making that much, you have to keep them happy, it's nothing for an engineer to quit their job for a month or two & find another one. If a McDonald's employee does that they won't be able to pay bills, they'll lose everything.
My current boss in his email signature has a slogan that says: "I may have sent this after hours but I don't expect you to reply until next business day #WorkLifeBalance". When I first started at the company I got told to "calm down and do your 8 hours it will be there tomorrow" because they saw me online so much because I was trying to prove my worth. So it was good when my boss is telling me to not focus everything on work.
This is so cool. I genuinely think there is nothing wrong about sending email to the employee even in the middle of the night as long as you don't expect it to be acted upon until work hours. You should just have separate work email and never bother checking it outside of work hours.
@@DominikBialy_ there's this cool feature on emails that let's you schedule emails to go out at the time you pick. I invite you to use it and schedule your emails to go out at 8 am next morning my friend.
Instead of "working Saturday to meet the Monday deadline", imagine a company that hires more people and can finish the project early without working overtime.
"I'm sorry, Trevor. The hiring of additional staff is simply not in the budget this quarter. Maybe next quarter. (But probably not.) Also, have you seen my new Audi?"
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
Hiring more people wont always help speed things, no matter how many cooks you have the egg wont boil faster. Sometimes things just take time. And investors need that sweet sweet accelerated profit, so the people they hire to wrangle the producers rush things.
This is just a lawsuit *waiting* to happen, and it just blows my damn mind she would openly admit to EVERYTHING in a public post like that. I have a feeling her company is going to fire her unless she "corrects" her statements.
Jobs that expect you to go "above and beyond" are expecting handouts. Not the workers problem that they can't afford to pay for the work that they expect.
Yep. I used to be the type of guy who would give my employer extra time, simply because I enjoy the work, but I don't do it anymore. They're ungrateful and give me no recognition for it, so they can shove it as far as I'm concerned.
The bigger problem is that big companies absolutely can afford more employees. They just dismantled unions and bought Washington in 1980 to make sure they didn't have to deal with any of that anymore.
If it is expected, is it “above and beyond”? If you tell me you expect ABC, I’ll give you excellent ABC, but if you also want DEF, let me know you want DEF.
What this psycho overlooks is a very important skill, especially for salary personnel, and that’s knowing the difference between things that needed to be done immediately, and those that can be put off an hour/day/week, to concern on the immediate needs. I’ve never had any issue working over, even when salary, to finish a time sensitive project, but I’m not going to stay late to get extra work on a non time sensitive projects.
This idea of ”working longer” as a virtue was finally framed to me as a specifically cultural one when someone stated that In Germany they don’t believe working more than your allotted 8 hrs is a sign of hardwork, in fact, it's a sign of a problem. Because why aren't you able to finish your work in the 8hrs given to you? This is a sign of a problem, not an asset, so it prompts investigation: Is it an issue w/ the employee or the business itself: Is the employee bad at time management? Multi-tasking? or is it a management issue, like not explaining tasks well or hiring enough workers? And here's where we get to why this is an American issue because it usually ties directly to our accepted corporate toxic culture of skeleton crews. In more rational times/places, we'd frame the inability to get work down during normal work hours as an issue to be addressed. But that led to actually highlighting the actual problem: Not enough workers, which wasn't a problem for management. It was by design. So we stopped highlighting longer hours as a problem and just normalized them. Instead of working longer in rare emergency instances, we made them the standard and then made it the employee’s problem of not accepting them as the issue. Yes, working past 9 to 5 is necessary: When you're working towards your own business/career. Working longer because a company refuses to hire the necessary amount of workers & eroding the traditional 9 to 5 workday exists because you have to do the job of two people for (likely) the pay of less than one and it is not seen as something that sets you apart if its standard operating procedure And it's not OK. It has not been ok, and has led to further nonsense like losing your job because you took a vacation or a day off to go to the dentist (all real things that have happened to people) because taking time off and preparing the office & delegating tasks to others so everything still works seamlessly w/o you for a few days/hours, like a "responsible worker", only tells your job "Ah, we can still run efficiently w/o Bob. Let's fire him, keep the salary/wage and get Jen to the extra work.". No pay raise btw. It's a scam that literally incentivizes people to A. Not take time off, EVER (hello mental breakdowns) B. Incentivizes doing the bare minimum, because there are no real rewards for being a good worker. Just more work, same crappy pay and C. Takes the focus off the business itself for shitty hiring practices that have eroded the work/life balance and put the burden on the worker (with the LEAST AMOUNT OF LEVERAGE) to advocate for that constantly eroded boundary.
The Northern European cultures’s better life balance has made them the top flight economies. Better yet, people live longer by about 7 years. Meanwhile the US is last in Western industrial nations and dropping: in the end, fear of losing your livelihood as common motivator by employers, ends up killing any innovation.
This is an interest take, and it makes total sense. I was one of those folks who didn't take time off, though, because I'm unsocial and never cared to go anywhere during off days anyways. So what would happen is that in Q4, leadership would start reminding people about the use it or lose it policy with vacation days, and encouraged people to take their time off. One year, I kept putting it off and so I ended up having to be off from December 8th through January 4th (I used vacation days at the beginning of the year just so I wouldn't have so much accrued throughout the next year). I felt bad that my teammates had to cover for me with an already decreased staff during the holidays. Thankfully, AT&T (management side) didn't begrudge us for using our vacation time--it was encouraged so we didn't end up in my situation, taking off 3 1/2 weeks at once.
Salaried people who kill themselves for the job will convince you that is a smart thing to do. The truly smart people are the hourly workers who haven't bought into that.
@@homecomingday yes it probably is. And he can enjoy his life because of it. So thats fine. Have you never had a good job that was completely fucking intolerable? I'd rather be a janitor.
A most valuable lesson. Sidenote... I worked - briefly - as a janitor's ASSISTANT (lol) and that's pretty much what he told me. The rule applies until you start your own business, by the way.
I had a boss once and they made me put a reason why I wanted vacation request when I submitted it. Meaning they wanted to know where I was going and what I was doing. I told them I didn’t feel comfortable discussing my personal vacation and travel plans at work. She said that I wouldn’t get approved unless I followed her request. I finally started making stuff up. Saying I just wanted a personal day and wasn’t going anywhere. She then would they don’t feel the need to let me have this time off unless you’re going somewhere. WTF? That’s my personal vacation time that I earned! I quit soon after because she never respected my boundaries.
I put in a request in January to take the week of Christmas off. By April it still wasn’t approved. Supervisor said she was waiting until later in the year because the newbies get transferred around, and she didn’t know who we’d have, or whether they’d already have time off approved by their previous supervisor . . . unless I had to buy plane tickets, then we could talk about it. Excuse me? I’d been there for 21 years. My family is a 90 minute drive away. I should not get bumped by someone just because they chose to move away from their family. And when I have decades of seniority and I made my request in January, there shouldn’t be any issue at all. They don’t think about the fact that resentment brews all year until the request is granted, and it’s a distraction from work.
@@genxx2724 I completely agree with your point. I gotta know though, did you get your time off approved yet?? If not at this point I would lie and say yes, Xmas plans changed and I do need to buy plane tickets
@@SuperYoshi29 Thank you for your concern. I got injured and was off work over the holidays. But the injury was at the beginning of October, and my request was still waiting for approval. That’s ridiculous and abusive. It should be illegal.
From my experience, working above and beyond was not rewarded but became expected, with one exception. One time, a manager saw that I was working weekends and evenings (no social life then, so why not) and sent me to Denver for a 6 month assignment with per diem. Best assignment ever. Otherwise, too many abusive bosses exploiting their power to force us to work extra hours. I stopped putting up with that when I got married. Haven't regretted that decision since.
Kinda nice to see people pushing back like this. I was a high end waiter out in Pennsylvania for 16 years. You are paid 2.83 and hour plus the tips you make. I had numerous managers try to get me to do dirty busy work when it was slow. I would always tell them.no, that is not what I was hired for. Their response was always, "well, we pay you to do this stuff", and my response was "no, you don't even pay me enough to cover my tax liability fir the hours I work, the guests pay me, so I will hang out here and look after them, thank you, bye." Lucky for me I had far too many regular customers for them to fire me lol. The look on the managers faces still make me smile.
This reminds me of the movie Office Space and the supervisor's harassment over "expressing yourself" by wearing more "bling". Nothing to do with job performance. Jennifer Aniston gave the correct answer: middle finger to the face!
@trianglesandsquares420 no. Because I brought in so many regular guests because my focus was on them. I brought in over 500k a year in revenue myself and had a regular following of people that wanted me, specifically, to take care of them.
People who ignore work/life balance and take on extra hours all the time are the one who enable the company to not pay people more/hire more people to do required tasks. Why would the company hire an extra person when they know Gabe will just do the work by staying late and working weekend?
The company pays a smartass guy like Gabe to be an example for other people trying to fool them in working longer hours without getting overtime pay. Employees are often treated like idiots who can easily be manipulated into working faster. harder and longer without any additional rewards. The sad thing is that too many companies succeed at doing this.
Number one reason I hate working with Gen X'rs. It's less common in white collar, but when I was blue collar it was always the moron X'rs trying to drag everyone into working for free because of 'ethic' and other stupid crap that never translates into better treatment or pay. Glad they're dieing like the dinosaurs because they can't keep up with the changing workforce.
@@shadow7988 Not all Gen Xs are like that but you are right in saying that "ethics" and "solidarity" are often use as a moral obligation to make people work for free or a modest wage. Why is it considered ethical to work for free but not ethical to give employees a better wage?
@@shadow7988 Sons of Anarchy also have a good quote :"Most human beings only think they want freedom. In truth, they yearn for the bondage of social order, rigid laws, materialism. The only freedom man really wants is the freedom to be comfortable."
when I read her idea of “work structures” and “long hours” and “all nighters”. I am reminded how my father set all his kids second to corporations. He had a lot of stress. We barely seen the guy. Climbed to management and then to director position. My dad died right before he turned 56. In an awful way. This woman is trying to coax adults to work themselves to death.
I'm so sorry about your father. People like the writer of that article think that everyone should be excited about their dream as they are, despite the fact only the dreamer benefits. It's a failure of management, not a failure of the worker. If there's too much work for a workday, then management has failed to adequately staff for demand. Thankfully the current generation has realized that it's not on on them to subsidize the dreams of people like this. The days of the "Gold Watch" are long over and we should recognize that fact and prioritize accordingly.
Yeah, I like corporate/enterprise for its scale, but the meeting culture needs improved on. I normally gut my schedule of most meetings so I can actually accomplish work and go home.
If youre needed enough you have a lever. I made my boss buy a company phone for me and blocked him from my personal phone so he can only reach me during work hours. Stand up!
Ironically, Germany is where this bloated workload culture started. You guys did it like 200 years ago, and everyone just copied it. Only difference is, you evolved out of it.
"You don't live to work, you work to live" I've been saying this for nearly two decades now whenever I've seen people stressing and working tons of extra hours for no reason. Fortunately I work for a good company that respects the work life balance and compensates whenever extra time is needed, even for salary employees.
People genuinely think those extra hours and extra money will mean anything in 20 years when they've missed out on important time with their loved ones that they will never get back. It's sad.
Boundaries are essential for good mental health. ESSENTIAL. Anyone who is deliberately challenging your boundaries and is unwilling to accept them is not a good person to spend your day with. We call that a Toxic Relationship.
I’ll never understand why in a world where civilized balance is such a thin line, people feel safe enough to spit in the face of others like this. Like, seriously, treat people right because you never know how many psychos are out there ‘till you piss one off. I’ve talked to a few and man I’ve always tried my best to be nice in general, but they taught me why you do it. We treat people fair because it really is a gamble to take advantage of someone. And boy the house might not always win, but when it does…
This applies to US labor laws: If he was an hourly employee, it is actually ILLEGAL to do anything work related, including discuss projects/expectations or have 'mini-meetings', outside of work hours.
depends on the size of the company. i think that law only applies to operations with over 100 people, and that have set scheduling clock in/clock out mechanics. some smaller operations allow employees to bill for hours. keep their own time card, etc. so if you have to stay 5 hours late to finish a task on a job site, no worries, just fill in your time slip.
@@fakiirification but by posting time slips after the fact, that retroactively makes those hours into work hours. And thus an employee will be paid for those hours. Now the illegality of working off hours is more to be forced to work off-hours. An employee can willingly agree to some off hours duties, usually answering internal calls or responding to emails. The illegality is if the employee cannot claim that as work time, and yet is expected to do such duties regardless. If I want to be unavailable when off the clock. That is my right. I can choose to waive that right, but I cannot be forced to.
but you forget the main rule, is the golden rule. people with ;more gold write the rules. life ain't fair. no one is going to take care of you or protect you unless you have money and power.
@@johngillon6969 so you just let your boss walk over you? lol that's a great career move to be stuck and abused at work. like class action lawsuits are a thing my man.
My husband is leaving a decent company after 10 years for a better opportunity and a m-f after years of retail management. He felt some form of guilt, but I reminded him. You are a body for a corporation. It is overly kind that you gave them 4 weeks' notice. If they were firing him, there would be no notice or such concern. He would have his keys taken and be walked out.
How much will your company miss you when you leave? You know when you put your hand in a bucket of water then take it out? The hole you leave will be like that one
"If hard work was the solution to having lots of money and being successful in life, the people doing construction working really hard back breaking labor every day would be the top 1 percent. They'd be the rich people, but hard work is not the key to having infinite money." Dude, this is so true. The people out there doing the actual WORK certainly aren't making it out with bag fulls of money.
The problem is that people think that a work must be hard or you are not being productive. The fact is - if you are productive, your work should be easier! A guy with a shovel can dig a hole all day, but a guy with a machine will dig more, bigger, deeper holes, for the same time. The shovel guy will be all sweaty and tired and with blisters, and he would have done LESS. Hard work is a scam.
@@alexforce9 yes, 10000 yes, working harder or be demanded to work harder don't make a better result at the end. Bosses tend to think that the harder you smack something the faster you will finish and most of the time you can do it in half the time if they bother to give you better tools/communication, and I mean this in all work fields. Management is at fault of 90% of work related issues worldwide.
@@alexforce9 I agree with you that it's about working smarter and more efficiently. There's many people who don't work "hard " who make tons of money by passive income, consulting speaking engagements/product sales, or off their employees.
People who work for you are putting their dreams on hold to work on making your dreams come true. There is no salary, no matter how high, that could possibly say thank you enough, for a person doing that for you. The gratitude you must feel, must be profound.
Being lazy yet producing results doesn't mean you don't work, I think generally it just means you work with your mind more. People with small minds don't have that kind of mind so they just assume you're a low energy loser when in fact they're just dumb apes.
that's because "being a lazy ass developer" is a kind of "guilt" that we project in ourselves for basically not submitting to over-work. You're basically doing your work just fine, but feeling like you're doing less than required because you have the internalized idea that you should be doing more.
as long as ceos are milking the system with stock buybacks, some buying politicians, offshoring jobs, cutting workers off at the drop of a hat, getting social handouts from the government, stopping people from unionizing (and the list goes on), why shouldn't we milk the ceos? They set the example of stealing, so we should steal from them. It's only fair in their perception of meritocracy
If you consider your job just a job, it is kind of sad but I get it, but I sometimes find my work really interesting, which may cause me to work longer
I'd add "and always prioritize the work over career." Career requires a focus on kissing ass, forsaking integrity, and expediency. It's not satisfying. The work makes us smarter, more capable, more useful. I'd wager you'll never find a successful entrepreneur who values career over the work.
Yeah but what if you end up upscaling, hiring extra employees, a PA, an apprentice, a Sales Girl/Guy, the company who comes to your floor once a month to replace and restock your water cooling machine etc etc Before you know it, you'll be working WITH others to grow your business. When revenue is low and you realise you have to lay someone off, you will realise how tough it is to run a business.
She sounds like a Karen so she did him a favor. And I can bet that she didn't fire him - he left. Now she can't forget about him - he's the one that got away lol
He shouldn't have worked for a karen in the first place. A Karen who doesn't have a real company, she is a freelancer ffs and a Karen who has never managed sh*t, he was her first hire. And it was probably another freelancer, ie who else can a freelancer employ?
I go above and beyond in my work during business hours. I pace myself and work off hours only when it's absolutely necessary. Its a good image to project and find ways to let people know that you did so. It's about exhibiting your capacity. Lets be real, work is just a game. Gotta play it a little bit. I've excelled at every job and made all these folks and their fancy degrees/certifications look bad. Just be tenacious and resourceful, that will help distinguish yourself from others.
Firing someone is one of the most gut wrenching things I've ever done/do...even if it needs to happen. It makes me physically sick. So if you can write an article highlighting and justifying it..there's really something wrong with you!!!
I used to buy into this mindset, and worked so hard and beyond the scope of my role. But this was never rewarded. I never saw my loyalty repaid in security or recognition. It wasn't even about the money. I just wanted to know I would have a job, ongoing. So, I stopped. I stopped being loyal, and stopped going above the bar. The only thing that changed? I was happier 🙂
I've had toxic relationships where they have said very similar things to that writer. It never ended well. If nearly two years of therapy and a mental breakdown have taught me, never settle and always maintain your boundaries.
I worked in the food industry for 10 years. I put my all into everything, never said no, and took on more responsibilities then I could handle to showcase how worthy I was. I got nothing in return. I was overworked with no extra pay, and wasn't able to grow within the company. It finally came to the point that I just could not do it any longer. It was killing me slowly. To have a employer, like this, bash you publicly is despicable, and down right low. Big companies look at you like another number, and that you can easily be replaced. It's quite disgusting, and mentally breaking.
I’m in food service too. I made it management. But being salaried in this industry is literally the worst thing ever. I haven’t enjoyed a weekend outside of a restaurant in years. Quitting soon and changing trajectory completely.
@@bustamovehaha I have witnessed my managers struggle with balancing prep, working the line, paperwork, cash, and so much more. I loved the people I worked with, but it runs you down and takes a toll. I finally took the leap, and went back to school during the last year and a half I have been laid off, then permanently loosing my position because of lack of business in the corporate building we were working in. Trying to change careers in a totally new field as well. I wish you the best of luck going forward.
Sad to hear that Tiffany. What makes my blood boil is that there are assholes who will quite simply say, 'thats life. its tough out there' as a response to all of the above. There are those who do what you did for that company day in day out and never quit. These people are the ones who justify being a slave and taking unjustified bullcrap from others.
I wonder why there are so many people with depression what could possibly be the cause. *Completely ignores the fact that they treat they're employees as less than human. With no rewards for they're work only punishments.*
When an employer sees you are willing to take on extra work while not being properly paid for it, they WILL NEVER reward you with anything but more work with out extra pay, because that's the bar YOU set for them. Corporations want slaves and would pay you nothing if they could get away with it. They demand 110% or more loyalty while treating employees as a replaceable number on a spread sheet. The ONLY people who care if you live or die at a corporation are MAYBE your co-workers and your immediate boss. Above that... you are a number who could drop dead at work and the ONLY irritation would be the extra paperwork you caused them by dyeing at your desk.
and my job actually takes out life insurance on their employees. If i die, they aren't as inconvenienced by that $30k their insurance gives them.......
When I start having to do too much, I set my new price with my employer. If they accept, I stay. If they don't, I start looking around. Luckily, right now jobs are a dime a dozen, and folks can't find workers, so I got some leverage.
While I know what you are trying to say, be careful when using the word "always" and "never" as they imply a "near 100%" chance/frequency. In all my jobs I worked at in the past, I have been promoted and paid more for working longer hours; so your statement definitely isn't true even 1% of the time in my case. In the company I work for currently our employees do a lot of overtime hours and get paid handsomely for it. In most cases they prefer doing OT and finishing quicker than dragging the job/task longer because they make 50% more money per hour. ( Ex. two 60 hour weeks vs three 40 hour weeks)
Do the extra work for a few months then ask for a raise Just refusing to do it until you get a raise first doesn’t benefit your negotiating position I’ve always taken on extra and asked for raises a couple times a year I get it, or I stop doin anything beyond my regular work duties If the employer isn’t willing to pay me more for exceptional work output then I quit and find an employer who does This is why I don’t like unions, no reward for being better than everyone else
Sadly, overturning Roe v Wade is the 'deep state' (such as it is, just a bunch of mafiosocial clubs) response. BREED AND REPRODUCE. Like the slaves of old.
This. I cant get a raise but our company picknick is nothing more than giving customers a free steak dinner. 400 people RIGHT AFTER WORK from 7am to 9:30pm and ONE 30 minute BREAK. For the work day.
My first company would LOVE this article. I used to work with these bachelors who lived with their parents. When they go home food is served, laundry is done. All they had to do was eat the food and shower and wear the clothes. And they expected me to be as "diligent" as them. When I would be early to work no one would notice. But if I would leave on time they would ask "leaving already? so early?" They were the worst ppl I had ever met.
I recently learned that one of the principal/primary red flags of a narcissist is their disdain and contempt for another person's boundaries. Even without the header, looking at her portrait I can't help but suspect that she's one...
You can have whatever boundaries you want. I don't care. But when you sign on to work for me, your boundaries had better match mine. If you don't like that, find another job, or start your own business.
If you can't meet those "life and death" deadlines during business hours, hire some more help or stop making unreasonable deadlines. I wonder just how much work this toxic boss did outside business hours.
What a terrible man, comes at 9 and leaves at 5 (so doing a job in a working time frame) and not being avaliable any time without being payed for it. How lazy and smug of him to have a personal life and dignity
Watching this a year after it was posted. The quiet quitting movement would make this woman lose her tiny mind. Subtext of this article is “how dare you not benefit my business/profit margin by working yourself into the ground for no additional reward.”
didnt even notice this was a year ago. With all the unions and stuff nowadays she's not gonna be able to power trip like that anymore. I hate female workers not gonna lie.
"His workday was determined not by his work, but by his hours." Ok, so by that logic, that means that if he does exceptional work and finishes early, he's going to be paid as if he did his standard hours even though he left three hours early. Is that the model? If it is, that's awesome! That's a great idea! I mean, isn't that just the flip side of working over your agreed-upon workday hours? Oh wait, that can't be right. That would mean she would be responsible to compensate her employees based on the quality and timeliness of their work and not the hours she can guilt trip them into staying late. Cue the sound of her backpedaling.
Really...if he ran in there like he was storming the beach somewhere and knocked it all out in three hours, then left she'd dock him for the five hours. It'd still be a problem. This guy's better off out of there...
For my job I'm given task to complete and my manager could careless what I do with my time so long as I'm getting the tasks done. Even with tasks completion, I still don't leave too early though out of fear that someone else might care that I left early even though I've completed my tasks.
She would no doubt just want to give him even more work and then stress how "important" it was and that it needed to be completed that day even if it meant staying late. And if he complained she'd gripe about his "work ethic" even though he finished his earlier work ahead of schedule.
@@dragonore2009 Yep, if you routinely started leaving early because you did all your tasks, you would just start getting more tasks. I think good value should always be given for pay received, but there is a one way ratchet in the work world. Prove you can excel, and that excellence will become the new baseline. Perhaps that is one argument for not staying in one place too long. Every year you have to beat last year’s performance in order to “exceed expectations “ and earn that extra half a percent raise. Eventually you are competing against an impossibly high standard that you yourself have set.
"Work/Life balance" doesn't mean anything. HR uses that empty phrase because they can insert any meaning they need to continue to enforce the tyranny of the CEO. Read "The Language of Oppression" by Bosmajian. He writes that the whole purpose of phrases like, "Work/Life balance" is to dehumanize someone.
Comrade Wilson, It is very strange to expect something humane from a person working in "Human RESOURCES": you are just a resource for them, a tool and nothing more.
@@ДаудМухамеджанов Exactly, the term "Human Resources" is simply intended to differentiate between available resources in a company. There is also financial resources, automation ressources(robots), assets, etc But for some reason, People are just getting the wrong impression that HR exists to protect them as employees in case of conflicts
The company had that but even evaluation they would complain about the fact that I do no overtime. TBH I did in the beginning but after 2-3 years I realized that just enable them to not hire enough people that I stopped.
I had a friend who had become emotionally and verbally abusive. I set up boundaries very kindly and clearly. She responded by abusing me more in writing. I communicated my boundaries more clearly. To which she vehemently accused me of putting boundaries before relationships. I said, yeah, that’s how boundaries work. I’m free of the abuse now.
This article is the greatest self roast I have ever seen. The tldr is “I am a shitty person who takes away someone’s means to provide for themselves when they don’t bend to my every whim”
"And a misguided entitlement to a workday neatly bookended." Wow, she has no idea how entitled she sounds, that employees should be like slaves and she wants total control over her underlings. She doesn't have a clue that she's the villain in this story, does she?
I have worked in several arenas in my life and I can't understand the attitude of office employer and the way they treat their staff. I have seen people, grown men and women crying having breakdowns over some POS who made the work place horrendous and very toxic. To be honest I am happy that the younger workers are staying no to this.
This is one reason I am so in favor of remote work when possible. Going into a job has considerable costs such as time, transportation, work wardrobe, meals, etc. Then, once you're at the office, you are blessed with office politics (which can be really ugly sometimes). I'm retired now, but I hated the politics. I was very good at my job and just wanted to be left alone to do it, but some people aren't happy unless there's drama. Heaven help you if that person is your boss.
A long time ago I worked for a manufacturing company that was forcing hourly people to work overtime for free. I suggested that was against the labor laws and the company could be in trouble if someone sued. My boss assured me that their lawyers had assured them it was all in the up and up. Well, someone complained to the state labor board. The state employment people came in and investigated. Long story short I got paid enough back pay to replace my roof. Everyone got paid their back overtime and the company was fined. It's not good business to try to rip off your employees and make sure you have good lawyers I guess.
When I was a dumb and young manager, eager to prove myself, I was once literlly lectured by a recent graduate about the importance and the benefits of boundaries. At first, I was seriously mad at him but I quickly realized that he had a point. Later in my career, I realized that I had, in fact, learned a great lesson from him and I used his rationale more than once - usually when being confronted with the ignorance and selfishness from eager beavers like Gabrielle Peterson (no pun intended - I have no insight into Gabrielle's beaver situation)... the fact that Ms. Peterson is publicly boasting that she had fired him is very telling and proof of the delusional self-perception of her kind.
I love how people make these absolutely ridiculous claims without having any data backing them off and then there's independent research done on dozens of companies that show exactly how reduced working hours and a good work/life balanced not only contributed to employee happiness but also higher performance overall. But we have to live in an age where journalists and writers are mediocre themselves, base their articles on personal bias/prejudice combining it with anecdotal evidence(if it can even be called evidence) and when they actually do read an article, either lie about the content or findings or simply are incapable of understanding it....
I'm really glad you're putting attention on this. I was a corporate lawyer at Skadden and it was exactly what you would imagine (crazy high hours, working holidays, ridiculous demands from clients, difficult partners, etc)... I was good at law but I left after 5.5 years because I just didn't want that lifestyle. I tried a somewhat smaller firm and it was 90% of the stress of Skadden with 60% of the pay. I left law altogether after 7 years and now I'm opening my own business. If I'm gonna work hard, I may as well keep all the profits. And I'm wayyyyyy happier
I don’t work overtime unless I get paid overtime. If a deadline is gonna require extra work but I’m not gonna get paid to finish it, then it wasn’t that important of a deadline. I get tired of working at Companies that give the minimum to succeed but have the highest expectations. Not to mention I also hope the person fired reads this article and decide to sue for compensation. If he did, then for her sake she better hope she holds true and have fired others for the same reason, or else attorneys would have a field day with Ms. HBIC
There’s a line from Weekend at Bernies that springs to mind, “my old man worked hard all his life all they did was give him more work.” Great video mate 👍🏻
Omg this hit home. 4 years ago I was fired from a job because my boss told me that being a snr manager meant I should be working longer. Coming in early and staying much later or at least logging into work at home after dinner!! I told her I have a 2 year old whom I have to pick up from daycare at a certain time. She told me that when her kid was that young she found a daycare that opened at 6 am and she would drop her kid off at 6 and go to work and the pick her up at 7 pm! Taker the kid home wash and dinner and off to bed. She would then log into work after her kid was asleep to do more work!!!! I wish I had recorded her saying all that so that I could have sued that company for wrongful termination.
You could still Sue her for worngful terminații if you show them you did your tasks în The time frame your contract mentions. She has no right to ask you to work off hours, if is not în The contract.
"You can't progress in your career, by just doing your job". This is actually 100% true. The competition is rough out there, if you think working 9-5 is ample, good luck being mediocre for the rest of your life.
Game Devs are a perfect example of killing yourself and not even sure if you will get fired or not once you have overworked yourself, let alone if you will be hired full time or not. Let alone companies which dangled the carrot for the employees, only to never give it to them.
I worked my but off and did everything I was told at my last job. When they put me on a shift I told them.at the beginning of the year that I can't do anymore because it stresses me out and is bad for my heart health, I quit. I recently learned my boss, she only did it to spite me. Because she was cutting my hours and I asked for more, so she scheduled me on my most stressful shift. I tried to work through it. But after I got bossed around and bullied by an employee who had been there only 3 months, I did half-assed my job, and left. Worked my final shift on a shift i enjoyed, and never came back. Put my two weeks in before that too and they never called me. Almost as if they were trying to get rid of me, while also complaining about how short staffed they are and how people call-in and don't show up for work. I was there 2 1/2 years. And I never felt appreciated. Now I'm unemployed and currently worried about finding a new job. This previous job screwed me up. I always felt like I could work my ass off and I'd still feel like I was doing something wrong. I went into work like that dreading it for so long. All because I just wanted reassurance that I was doing something right. Couldn't even get that. Pisses me off. I just want to be appreciated and respected and have consistent hours and schedule. But no, because I wasn't working 5 or 6 days a week and coming in to work for other people on my days off, I was worthless to them. I worked my but off, only to get more pressure to work harder. And whenever i felt less stressed, i felt like i was doing something wrong or felt guilty that i wasn't working harder. It's such an abusive mindset to have put yourself in. I'm glad i have a therapist to help me through this because that job was not good for my mental health. Not very healthy mindsets there.
Exactly. You can work your ass off and get nowhere because of it. I've learned it really does just mean you're a sucker. If I'm a C employee making $200k, fine, that's enough compensation for me to be willing to answer the phone outside business hours. But the shit wages the rest of us get paid do not remotely justify getting calls after hours.
Definitely agree - work to live, don't live to work!! Years ago, I was someone who routinely put in 12 hr days (+ 1.5 hr commute) for over 6 years at a company. My thank you for all the hard work and extra hours... a 12 wk severance package and the door. They "reorganized" and decided they needed someone with 20+ yrs experience, due to their growth, and I only had 10 yrs (at that time). Growth that I helped them achieve!! I learned my lesson... never again will I fall into this routine. Don't get me wrong, if I need to put in the occasional extra time, for 1 or 2 days, to meet a deadline...ok. But this will not become my default behavior ever again. (And I'm currently employed at a great employer, who respects boundaries, and make good money with profit sharing...so to all those who believe that you must work 10+ hr days to advance your career... this is incorrect.)
What is with there obsession with years of experience? At some point it's mostly just arbitrary numbers what can a candidate do with 20 years experience that a candidate with 10 can't?
Thats how shitty Companies use you. They treat you like toilet paper. Not a pleasant analogy but its the truth. Once you have been fully used, exploited for their personal gains and been utlised to 'help the company grow' you're expendable. You are just another nobody they paid peanuts to help them reach their new heights. After that they can get rid of you and start all over, and pay the new recruit peanuts. Remember, the company is more important than you or me. Do it for the company. that's the usual b/s motto.
A lot of companies pay lip service to the concept of "work/life balance" but it's all just talk and when push comes to shove they want to encroach on as much of your personal time as you'll let them get away with. It's probably a good thing he got fired and can move on from that toxic boss.
2:46 As an architect, I can tell you that's very accurate. We are bred throughout school to pull all nighters and by the end of it, it seems natural. Fortunately, employers I've worked for, all promoted the "lock the door @5" even if the task was not done yet, basically fighting against all the 6 years of work-work-work programming that's been poured into us.
University has an all-nighter culture because 18-25 year old's generally do not have families to take care of whether the young or the old. When you are 40 you have children and your parents to begin to look after, this means "free time" is actually care-taking. Employers also have to manage the payroll because expecting all-nighter inevitably leads to people quitting, which leads to more all-nighters, and more quitting. And many architecture firms are viewed as superfluous anyway. Sounds like your bosses are attempting to keep the firm solvent.
As an Architect for many years, I wish I could say the same. At many of the firms I worked for, the managers and principals were basically "yes men" for the client, OK'ing every unreasonable deadline that the client had, with no input from the people actually doing the work. One firm would even continue doing work for developer clients who hadn't paid in over a year. When you're new they (the principals) say "if you ever feel overloaded, just let us know and we'll get you the help you need - we don't want you burning out". Then when that time actually comes, they respond with "Why do you need help - what's the problem?!?" or "We don't have the budget for another person on this project". So then it's 25-30 hours of unpaid overtime on your part, and if you don't do the OT needed to get the work done, you get a sit down "what do you need from us to help you get the job done better?" meeting with the bosses, which is nothing more than a veiled threat to your job, because they're never to to get you the help you actually need. So it's basically work the unpaid OT hours, until you can find a (maybe) better job, or you get laid off. The college all-nighters are just a dress rehearsal for the architecture profession.
@@Seattle-2017 This is still the crux of capitalism...no good deed goes unpunished. Highly efficient, hard working people will be exploited for profits either from the client or the board, CEO, or boss. And people work hard and are efficient presumably for good compensation, which cannot be enjoyed because their hard work is inevitably always needed. A firm will take on more jobs, more clients, and each job will offer more to the each client until good employees burn out, quit, promote up to less work. This is why work/balance came about. It was an admission from employer to the employee and client that max profits was not possible, and a balance was needed.
@@orclover2353 You're absolutely right, except that "Work/Life Balance" is just a relatively new, empty catchphrase that companies use as a pretense that they'll respect employee's time and well being, when in actuality, nothing has changed, and nothing will change.
The “need” for regular additional hours and sacrifice of family time is more a strong indication of poor management than any lack of employee performance. The guy was fired because he was a constant reminder of this simple fact.
That's nonsense. This guy was fired because he wasn't willing to work as hard as he should have. Period. It's called "How to fail in life in one easy lesson."
@@jamesaritchie1 You fail in life by being a corporate shill. Nobody goes to their grave wishing the had "worked harder and longer" for that corporate vulture.
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I work 9 to 5 in an office. My job has me out in the community regularly and isn't eligible for work from home, which for me works really well. I leave AT 5, To the point where one of my coworkers said "you don't stay a minute past so you?" Uhhh no.
@@setheastman4181 same for me. I have to work everyday 10 minutes more so that my boss won't complain. I don't like that. Also, she usually tells me I have to stay longer just 10 minutes before I leave.
Another example of psychopathic behaviour by corporate leadership.
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Re: 6:49 -- "It's not that I'm lazy. It's just that I don't care." -- Office Space
As a business owner, you cannot expect other people to work more and be more excited than you about your business or company.
Ikr. Are you giving me a profit sharing percentage.
You can't expect other people to work more and be more excited than you pay them to
Aye. I worked in a local IT company, where CEO would send us emails at 2 am asking work related stuff. Weekend calls and after hours random calls for the "quick question". Pay was shite and people would be canned for expressing concerns over tracking software.
And every monthly meeting he would talk about how passionate we should be.
Yep. Don’t know why is it so hard for some dumb people out there to understand that. It’d make as much sense as being as invested on someone else’s romantic relationship as the couple itself.
@@neolid1051 so you mean, I shouldn't be so excited about so and so's gender reveal party?
The harder you work, the more you get rewarded with more work. Article writers like this are just angry the new generation figured it out.
Bingo!
Ain't that the truth. I worked a job in the past 10 years where I went above and beyond making my team manager look good and my own work look good. What did they do? Told me it was meeting expectations and I needed to do more x, y and z. Meanwhile I was running circles around anyone else who attempted to do my post.
Hot garbage. You work for yourself only for yourself. When that clock is done - you're done.
@@TKUltra971 Absolutely! I can relate so much to your experience. Same thing happened to me on my first job as a copywriter. I tried to break into the industry and would work my ass off. Boss took credit for my ideas. It was then that I learned it's every man for himself and all of that family BS is just that - BS.
Give this woman a truck full of cookies ✊🏻
@@emeraldxtouch May you never deal with that bull crap again.
If she terminated his employment for not working overtime without pay, it sounds like she has set herself up for a lawsuit.
This is a great confession posted online
No kidding. He'd be so low energy to not jump on this shit 😂
He contacted a lawyer but his spelling was so bad they couldn’t understand what his issue was
Young people think that if you are butt-hurt for any reason you can just run to a lawyer and get a lot of money. It would cost him up to $100,000 in attorney fees and probably would get nothing. Only lawyers make money. And they don't work 9-5 and set boundaries.
@bayanon7532 most labor lawyers will listen for free and if your case has merit, they do it with their legal fee baked into the damages.
@@MrMementoOri if most jobs are at-will, can’t the organization just get away with it? I’m not sure there’s a strong case to be made for those whose bosses fire them after they refuse to do overtime etc. Ow.
I was a young and naive worker and I was panicking because I didn't finish a project by the end of the day on Friday. It didn't have a due date, but I still was going to stay late to finish it. My older coworker caught me and said "go home, enjoy your weekend, the work will still be here on Monday." I've never forgotten that.
Similar thing happened to me when I started my job. I was going to skip part of a party to finish work and my manager came by and said that to me. It was nice.
legend
What if the account is urgent and the client needs it ASAP?
@@dhenderson1810Sucks to be them 🤣 they can wait. Fuck outta here with that I want it now bullshit
@@dhenderson1810 if a client needed it ASAP it would’ve had a deadline
If your boss calls you after work hours, then call him back when he is sleeping, repeatedly, asking questions. I did the same with my past manager and from that moment he always thinks twice before calling.
😂
HAHAHAH
Passive-aggressive. I like it.
this is the way
BiG bRaIn
Fun fact. In several EU countries it is illegal to contact employees outside of work time. This includes email.
It shouldn't be illegal to email, since those can be ignored by the employee. There's nothing wrong with my boss sending me stuff for me to read the next day at my starting hour.
@@fcharrua the bosses can easily send scheduled emails
which countries?
it is not illegal, it is the culture in companies. the server does not deliver emails sent from company aca from managers outside working time. I know I am from Europe
@@fromscratch2654 I have noticed that I can do more and better when working at home because I get less distracted. Of course, it is nice from time to time to chat to colleagues, and I do so on Teams when I feel like it. But a lot lesser than in the office. It's therefore so frustrating that most employers want you to come to the office.
I'm in Gen X and had overworked almost every job I had, given up my personal life and had terrible work/life boundaries in my 20's & 30's. I've progressed less in my career than younger colleagues who have boundaries. This writer has archaic expectations.
Same. I finally quit my last employer and started a dog walking business. I don't hustle and make a fortune but I still make more than when I was an employee. And I work far fewer hours, get to spend them outside with dogs, and answer only to my clients. And I don't have to deal with bullshit. With my extra hours I relax, get things done that used to be extremely difficult during business hours, such as go to preventative health appointments, stay in touch more with family and friends, and if I weren't so lame I'd also be working on my second novel.
I push myself to work a lot, but I respect the people I want to employ. At minimum, at least tie equity to performance goals and vest immediately my dear goodness. If you run out of design space, go start another startup, but then we have people being jerks. This work isn't this hard.
It's a sad truth.
Most of us have grown up watching our parents give their all, only to get little in return. This is the result.
You were cheap and exploitable; why should any boos change that by promoting you?
It's good that you learned it and can adapt you're work life.
The fact she wrote this article publicly is almost more of a red flag of her being bad at business than the content itself.
From what I recall, after she wrote it she got so much hate she had to get off of social media.
Clearly a human with less-than-zero self awareness.
@@littlesongbird1 Frankly, this is one instance where I am not even sorry for her. Even if she thinks like this she MUST know how much push back this kind of thinking nowadays gets. I mean, the whole article IS about that! And she somehow thought she would only get few people whining and that's it? She is a woman of business and yet she had no sense of PR or "do not dig yourself into a gigantic hole"? Tough luck.
Also she’s a hypocrite: she can’t spell the word ‘axe’ correctly; yet, she gives her direct report crap for bad spelling. GTFOOH!
*bad character
School literally trains you to watch the clock.
Yep, and my office is set up so that everyone sits in cubicles facing the "executives" in the glass offices in front of us like a classroom and a teacher.
@@Bradimoose rofl
@@Bradimoose Power move much
And to follow orders, not think critically and not learn necessary skills to make money
@@JLBribiesca Those who think critically run their own business =)
Imagine being so salty that an employee had the balls to stand up for themselves that you write a whole article about it
It really shows how little work she actually does to have the time to do this lol.
Salty, entitled and full of herself. Classic writer.
So much this
She sounds like a narcissist to me. Completely oblivious to her own bs.
😂 well put
I have a feeling Gabrielle's family and romantic relationships have really suffered from her lack of work boundaries
I believe she's a full-blown narcissist. Her firing an employee because they insisted on having/maintaining boundaries screams as much to me...
I am aromantic person, and very introverted, and still would never be willing to sacrifice all my free time to work. Some employers forget that employees are people, not robots
I don't believe they suffered, they were spared.
I have a feeling everyone suffers around Gabrielle.
@cablecow15 let's be honest, she would never get cats, they are very 'boundaries' oriented.
Just TRY and invade their privacy/limits when they don't want it and see what it gets you...
It's absolutely ludicrous that the boss would think writing this article would make them look anything other than insane
It is all just for others in her same position, not the 'plebs' underneath so to speak.
Women ☕
Many women bosses are also power-trippers and love doing this kinda thing - especially if it's men they're lording it over, because many women will agree with them when it comes to denigrating and demonising men, even without knowing the full story
@@johnhawthorn5393 WTF are you on? More bosses that do what she did are male. Incel.
@johnhawthorn5393
I think this is less a gender thing and more of an issue with capitalism or corporate "culture".
I had a co-worker that would put in extra hours without being paid and delay his vacation, because the team/company needed him, then they decided to fire hundreds of employees to meet their shareholder dividend target, so they fired him. And they wonder why people are no longer willing to prioritize work over quality of life. 🤦🏻♂️
I hope that fired employee learned his lesson and stopped caring about companies after that experience. Hopefully he swallowed the whole red pill
Sounds 100% correct.
Did he get any ice cream before getting fired?
@@fixer1140 Nope, but they did offer the standard placement training for free.
@@ChrisPTY507 Worst thing is that I had warned him about exactly what happened and that by doing extra work for free or sacrificing life balance, he was making the other employees look bad and making them feel like they had to do it too. So it was kind of poetic justice that he got his ass fired and I didn't.
I'm retired. I'm glad younger people are fighting back against corporations that use and abuse them.
As a younger person, thank you for keeping an open mind about the way culture and society evolves, instead of just saying "it worked in my day, why doesn't it work now?!".
As a Millennial, this article is the first time I've heard of us attaining professional success through hard work. I thought we were just chronically unhappy and never really compensated as well as past generations were.... I guess that's a supervisor's definition of professional success...
I completely agree. I also retired. I am poor. Just SS. I couldn't make a living in corporate America. In 50 years all I saw was an elite make all the money and the actual workers be abused. It got worse as time went by. They chiseled benefits so health insurance was an early casualty. They chipped away at the 401 contributions. Vacation was another victim. Annual bonusses were a laughable tap dance. The last one I witnessed was when managment got massive bonusses and the workers got half a percent. Bear in mind that they were making about $8 or 9 and hour so half a percent was a joke. Managers were making $150k a year and were receiving maybe $10k apiece. A slap in the face. I applaud the younger people fighting these aholes.
I have a few more years to go. Things have dramatically changed and I'm glad to see the kids fighting back this nonsense.
@@izifaddag8221 So true! Thx to Reagan and Thatcher - the job market degraded year after year. Today people cannot live like their parent on one salary with a normal mortgage. And so everyone is in deep debt. It's really time to fight back
If you are the business owner, you can’t expect your employees to work as hard as you, because they have no stake in your company.
I gave you a thumbs up. Should the employees work as hard as the employer if they are not getting the same benefits? How do we define "as hard" I'm not trying to challenge you in a debate. It's RUclips, never know the intentions of the comnments
I worked for a company that was family owned. I was able to interact with the owner who was a little fat old man who couldn't walk anymore. He was a funny dude, but I loathed him at times. He sat comfortably in his little mansion with his wife. He would always brag about how he works 80+ hours a week, when all he did was watch the news and read articles pertaining to gold/silver/platinum buying and selling. He got to live the high life off of the work his employees did and claimed that sitting in a rocking chair for 80+ hours reading articles was working. Not even counting the fact that he only paid 15% of the value of those precious metal on average, unless it was something he could resell at an exaggerated cost. He also paid me shit because "you use a company car," while then saying I couldn't use said vehicle for anything other than work. I quit on the spot after 1 year and making only $2 above min wage while doing all the work his regional manager did. I made sure to ensure that all the stuff I managed while making less than a burger flipper was badly sorted and in random places before I left. Heard the Regional Manager flipped when he saw the state of their storage units after I realized they were milking me for hard labor. Just as how he milked the misery of the people selling their jewelry or precious metals for profit (most people trying to make ends meet came to the stores, or trying to get money to buy their kids gifts for once).
No one, not even small business owners, care for you more than yourself and you should always strive to upgrade when the opportunity presents itself.
@@NoName-eu2xw You're absolutely right. Smart employers understand this and compensate their employees in ways that they *do* value.
@@NoName-eu2xw I own a small business. I pay a fair wage for a fair days work, but here is why my employees will never get the same benefits as me.
When times are good, they get their checks.
When times are bad, they still get their checks, even if I don't get anything.
I risked all of my treasure to start my business, they risked nothing. If the business didn't make it I lose everything.
So if you want to get some skin in the game, you can invest $20 or $10 grand into the business.
I have made that offer to every all my employees. None of them had the balls to invest.
So, No... When the time comes when I get sweet paydays, they still just get their checks.
As a small business owner, I say this all the time. if you expect the unexpected, you WILL be disappointed.
It's great that she wrote this article. Now any potential future employees of hers will know exactly where she stands.
Honestly we should write anyone who employs her to fire her for creating toxic work environments. she should ALSO be unemployed for this bs and should be made an example of so that managers become afraid of doing this shit. like no bullshit, spreading this kind of toxic bs should result in being homeless for a while.
Lizard people like the writer of this article will always have work; they will be the company shill until they are rewarded with just enough power to abuse it. There’s always room in a corrupted culture for another culture to feast.
Long may this continue
Employers whining about not being able to exploit their workers anymore is to be expected. They’re losing power and their masks are slipping!
@Martin Sanders Doing work off the clock is illegal. Take them to court!
@Martin Sanders geee whiz off the clock labor is slavery
@@martinsanders6915Make sure to save and spend time documenting every interaction you had, old text messages, emails those sorts of things.
@@martinsanders6915 *Take them to court.* Off the clock work through coercion is illegal. They will lose and you will get a lot of money from it.
Yes but these are a special set of employers. They are not like you and I. These are Sociopaths or Psychopaths who have acquired power over others. They are the ones complaining.
“She was a bad reporter, but I fired because she wouldn’t seks with me.”
Same vibe I get from her first line.
Yeah, probably wanted a young male intern she could manipulate.
Men do the same thing in the corporate world but at least we don't write hit piece articles when we fire them for basic self confidence.
@@NymbusCumulo928 We? Lmao what the fokck. It's not a we my guy. It's a you. Not me though. She was definitely a female predator let's just assume that righteously because females do it all the damn time.
And that's, probably, exactly what happened.
Imagine if she lost her position because of A.I.
@@Zoloft77 I'm at the camp who believes that most of these writers have already employed AI in writing their articles for a few years now.
What a lot of people don't understand is that an HR department is there to protect the company, not the employees.
Not these days it isn't.
@@Syncopia It always is to protect the company. Its to make sure that you cant sue them for unlawful shit that happens to you.
@@Syncopia Oh god yes it is. I worked at a company that used to only one person in HR and they were hired from the marketing department (this was before I worked there). HUGE mistake. Company almost went under when employees sued one after another for broken employment standard laws that the HR person was clueless about. They fired the HR person and hired someone with a gender studies degree. Fifteen years later and didn't lose a single case again and have remained profitable. Hire someone with some decent awareness of both employment standards but also to avoid pitfalls that could be challenged and you will keep your ass out of the fire. The owner is still an asshole but his company hasn't done any stupid shit during COVID because his HR department manager is run by someone who knows what they're doing.
@@Syncopia it always is, the HR is a service hired by company owners, it's to protect the company from employers
Lol, what a pack of lies from that guy about HR with gender studies as a good qualification. Anyone who studies in nonsesnes is just nonsesne. Go peddle ur lgbtq agenda elsewhere
Currently working for a company that boasted that last year they broke sales records and 'thanked' us for all the hard work, and they kept reminding everyone how many records were broken for months. Well it turns out that all of these 'insane records' being broken is not translating into any bonuses or into any pay raises, so why in the crap even tell us that records were broken and that they expect us to keep breaking them with our effort?
So many managers/bosses in general now days have no idea how to handle their workplace morale when they know they can't/wont give out more money.
I hate to break it to you, but all the record breaking bonuses were probably shelled out by corporate, but the managers and bosses kept all of it for themselves.
The reason the company thanked you was because it meant more money in their pocket.
If you can, find another job and quit
I would love to see this article used in a lawsuit about being wrongfully terminated. She states explicitly that she fired the employee for working his contracted hours.
If everything in the article is completely true, she also states that his actual work was deficient enough for him to have been fired, but he was given an opportunity to make up for it. He refused.
@@shaunlasich2330 But the article blatantly says it was because he wouldn't work beyond 9-5. She also never said he would be compensated for extra work, nor did she say in his contract that overtime was expected. It's pretty clear she's in the wrong. A good case can be made against her just from this article.
@@shaunlasich2330lawyer here, nO. You cannot create your own proofs. You cannot write an article yourself and then expect it to be used as a proof against somebody else. It can, however, be used as proof against you. So yeah, legally speaking writing this article is shooting yourself on the foot.
@@shaunlasich2330Are you the The manager that I had at Wendy's 5 years ago? Cause that stupid sacker shit thought that it wasn't illegal to make people stay after clocking out to redo a floor. You got a fire very fucking quickly. It doesn't matter how bad if a job someone did, Nowhere in America is it legal to force someone to fix their mistakes without pay. So like the other People have said Just This article alone is grounds for a lawsuit.
@@shaunlasich2330 No? She literally admitted that she fired him because he did not want to work beyond his contractual hours, being 9-5. If she fired him for it then that is illegal as fuck.
"That's crazy that someone would have 'boundaries' instead of working 130 hours a week for a job that's paying below minimum wage"
- Every CEO ever
Oh it pays minimum wage, but for 40 of the 130 hours they want you to work.
Put them in the employee shoes for a month or two, and watch how they go insane
@@SvenDzahov The overtime pay is still the bare minimum they are legally required to pay someone. So technically it's still minimum wage.
@@dannyhantx kinda funny. Ive worked 2 internships at massive corporations whose “overtime pay” policy is to not report it. Legally sure they are supposed to do that. But do they? Sometimes
@@dannyhantx lots of ways employees get fucked by founders. Exempt status means no OT pay and as an independent contractor min wage laws don't apply
I remember working for T-MOBILE and the VP spoke to us. He went on a rant about how work-life balance was wrong and we need to look to have work-life synergy and how our work should be apart of every part of our life. I quit shortly after.
Yeah, sounds like Deutsche Telekom alright. I can't think of a company where the management deserves more to be put against a wall and shot.
I hate that shit. All that corporate sickening propaganda. I only really relate to people I directly work with and know on a somewhat personal level.
@@KaeYoss Right! The most insufferable brainwashed idiots ever.
@Susel Oh they’ve been the uncarrier for years they just go back and fourth with how they advertise it. So when I first started we were the uncarrier but couldn’t say the word. It was such a sickening and mentally painful company to work for
Sounds similar to what Jeff bezos has said
Going “above and beyond” for most employers just leads to them take advantage of you.
It goes from “you’re doing a great job and I’ve been hearing good things about you” to “ you don’t even know how to do your job correctly” when the topic of a pay raise comes into play🙄
Always be cautious of companies saying they are trying to build a “family” environment.
All that means is they want you to have some weird cult like dedication to them and take on extra responsibilities without extra pay.
imagine this in any other relationship.
"I left my girlfriend because her insistence on boundaries"
"I'm no longer friends with Jack because of his insistence on boundaries"
"We disowned our kids because of their insistence on boundaries"
Hell, even just some rando you're chatting with in the park is expected to have boundaries.
But oh no, god forbid your EMPLOYEES have them!
So accurate! 😂
borderline rape
@@RUclipsTookMyNickname.WhyNot Wait, you did WHAT to your mother?
@@RUclipsTookMyNickname.WhyNot none of those things have anything to do with boundaries. Those are examples of behaviors.
If they are serfs and you are nobility, then boundaries are not on the table...
‘My first-ever direct report’. She didn’t even refer to him as a person
So vile.
power trip
Despicable! This woman is toxic.
probably last-ever direct report if potential job seekers see it. I saw someone else say the article had been taken down (didn't check it out for myself)
@@destroyonload3444 I hope so. This woman doesn't belong anywhere near a management position!
Hearing this makes me think what actually happened was HE made the decision to leave the job on his own terms and she decided to write an article about it to make herself feel better
She wrote an article about it because she got well paid, and received more publicity than ten million dollars could buy. If you think for a second she won't find someone who is willing to work harder and longer, you're living in fantasy land.
She speaks womanese
@@geprekbento7543 🤡 this isn't about gender this is about work. Get it straight
@@geprekbento7543 Bro, no. She is just an arsehole, being a woman has nothing to do with it.
Yea, if it was true the DOL might have a few words for her
I worked a job for 8 years where I progressed from maintenance guy to assistant manager. At one point after I got into management and on salary, I figured out my hourly wage at one point, and I was making less than minimum wage. I threatened to quit at one point and got a raise, but not as much as I wanted. A couple years later, when dating my then fiance, I was no longer as committed (mind you I kept track of hours and I was working just as many) and was leaving early every now and then to be with my now wife of 25 years, my boss told me "you're going to have the rest of your life to spend with her" as a justification for why I should be more committed to the job. That was the moment she lost me. I quit soon after.
Lol. Just the rest of your life? Like the 2 hours a day you have left over after working for them? Lmao, and for the rest of your life, it's amazing how ignorant she was about saying that.
Yea, on your death bed, you wish you spent more time at work. Right
Haha. As opposed to your coworkers who will either ultimately leave or get fired, so you have no incentive to build any kind of long-term relationship with?
Say...your boss was a moron.
As a writer too, I know it is her job to know how words work. It goes to show out how profoundly of the loop she is with current trends because establishing boundaries is seen as a smart, responsible thing to do. It has been popular in self help and mental health in the last few years. Saying his boundaries got him fired was NOT going to get her sympathy from anyone alive in 2021.
I imagine that it could make it more difficult to find replacements. Who wants to work for such a disrespectful ass. If she fired him for misspelling, I would have been OK with that. Spelling was a job performance issue, fair enough. Her lack of respect for boundaries amounts to theft. Let's say that his spelling were perfect, he worked as long as she asked and was attentive after hrs, great employee by her standards. So for this performance he takes a $150/week out of her purse. Just walks up and pilfers her wallet without notice or consideration. I don't feel like she'd think thats OK. As I see it, that is less of an offense that calling him after hours. Here's why. He can hand the money back and there are no losses. That time that he spends on the phone while at his kids baseball game, can't be returned.
Imo, she just gave notice to perspective employees to steer clear. She also gave notice to potential employers to steer clear. I wouldn't want her in a leadership role or representing my company.
When people write indepently or through the corporate govt owned sponsored media channels, they have to write articles that align with 'govt' narratives to help their corporate buddies. This is why ppl need to stop reading or watching govt sponsored anything. People need to learn who these media outlets work for and if they're part of the 6 media mega giants or their subsidies, then stop being brainwashed and ignore them instead of giving them a forum.
@@KeepItReal1 best comment yet on this thread, maybe post too 👏
@@billgreathouse1913 She should get a managerial position at Wal-Mart....oh, wait! Even they know better than to have their folks work after clocking out- because they got SUED for doing that!
@@james_chatman White feminism??!! Omg, another liberal snowflake. Step off.
I had a boss that wanted to work late into the night on a project creating centerpieces for an event. I said, "No, I have a family that I need to get home to." The only reason she wanted to work late was because she did not plan properly. That was her problem and my family should not pay the price for it, so I left. I got targeted big time after that, but so what, it was the right thing to do. I left the company as soon as I found another job.
One of my favorite sayings in the workplace has always been, 'a failure to plan on your part does not create an emergency on my part'.
I've seen this far too often where poor management, bad planning created expectations for employees to pick up the slack.
Sigh. They probably found someone without a family to do that after
It seems to me that most of the problems management has arise from similar circumstances as this. Failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine.
Women are awful at planning and they even get in trouble in their girls night out. They can't handle extreme work stress and they tend to break down when they can't handle the heat. Seen it happen so many times in my wifes school were she works as a teacher which predominantly staffed by females.
I have no family, and I would never allow a company to dictate my free time. I have nothing to lose if they fire me either, like someone providing for a family does.@@trianglesandsquares420
I once got a "talk" from my "career counselor" at a consulting firm because I wouldn't travel for work because I had already told my parents I would house-and-dog-sit for them. Anyway he told me of how he had travelled away from his wife for eight months to work and then she left him. I said "no dude, YOU left HER."
Anyway I got laid off and found a better job. A year later the company went out of business so that guy left his wife for his career and then his career left him. Cool.
@@GossAug Yes, but he paid for lunch so whatever. That company was also big on unpaid overtime. My attitude is that if work is worth doing then it's worth paying for. They had issues with a lot of my attitudes, hence the being laid off thing.
@@CallowG you mean in your country you can legally be forced to work and not be paid?
@@STScott-qo4pw No of course not. But some companies "encourage" you to work unpaid overtime to "show commitment to the success of the project" and to be "a team player."
@@CallowG gawd almighty. always some way to bully someone into doing something for nothing. sorry for this.
Was that supposed to motivate you? "Be more like me and you too can lose your wife".
I remember when my parents worked in the 90s before the constant presence on the internet and text messages, once they were home, there was never work related topics in the house, or phone calls or emails. My dad had an odd schedule and he cherished being home, my mom had a 9-5 and sometimes stayed a bit later but rarely.
So to say this culture of boundaries from work is new, is complete ignorance.
"Careers in industries like law, medicine, and architecture established reputations early on as high-powered and rigorous"
You know what they also had? high wages. You can't threaten a minimum wage worker the same way you can threaten a 8+ figure salary worker. Threatening to fire a minimum wage worker for not doing more is like threatening to cut the legs of a paraplegic if they don't do more leg exorcises.
true
Yet, architecture is nowhere near med and law pay levels. Or even programming, for that matter.
Not necessarily, because a person making good money might have savings and other resources to fall back on if there were fired, than someone working minimum wage. You can't really threaten an employee making that much, you have to keep them happy, it's nothing for an engineer to quit their job for a month or two & find another one. If a McDonald's employee does that they won't be able to pay bills, they'll lose everything.
where are you getting 8+ figure salary worker information from? not all jobs in those industries make that amount.
This right here lol 😂
My current boss in his email signature has a slogan that says:
"I may have sent this after hours but I don't expect you to reply until next business day #WorkLifeBalance".
When I first started at the company I got told to "calm down and do your 8 hours it will be there tomorrow" because they saw me online so much because I was trying to prove my worth. So it was good when my boss is telling me to not focus everything on work.
This is so cool. I genuinely think there is nothing wrong about sending email to the employee even in the middle of the night as long as you don't expect it to be acted upon until work hours. You should just have separate work email and never bother checking it outside of work hours.
@@DominikBialy_ there's this cool feature on emails that let's you schedule emails to go out at the time you pick. I invite you to use it and schedule your emails to go out at 8 am next morning my friend.
@@dudette2c There's this really cool feature on emails that lets you ignore them.
@@dudette2c there's this feature called folder, where you can channel your work mails into.
@@dudette2c there's this cool feature on emails that's called "logging off" cool stuff, really
imagine applying for whatever working with her, googling her and finding this article of hers.
There's no flag more red than this one
Sounds like she was very proud of her 'power' to just fire someone.
Instead of "working Saturday to meet the Monday deadline", imagine a company that hires more people and can finish the project early without working overtime.
"I'm sorry, Trevor. The hiring of additional staff is simply not in the budget this quarter. Maybe next quarter. (But probably not.) Also, have you seen my new Audi?"
@@Perfidion "this" right here
THIS! How come this never happens and you have to work overtime to catch up? Just hire more people!
After about 20 years working, I'll tell young people you should not have any loyalty to any organization, they will turn on you in a second when its convenient and fire/replace you. Also to ensure no slavery, young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and freedomless slavery and these control/money/job trends worsen. Promote this idea in videos and social media to help prevent more young people into this new slavery.
Hiring more people wont always help speed things, no matter how many cooks you have the egg wont boil faster.
Sometimes things just take time. And investors need that sweet sweet accelerated profit, so the people they hire to wrangle the producers rush things.
This is just a lawsuit *waiting* to happen, and it just blows my damn mind she would openly admit to EVERYTHING in a public post like that. I have a feeling her company is going to fire her unless she "corrects" her statements.
I sincerely hope she gets sued
That's women in charge. (RUclips, you're allowed to delete this comment)
@@persona83 SHOTS FIRED
If only the terminated employee were to find this video, eh? Delicious!
Narcissism sees no wrong.
Jobs that expect you to go "above and beyond" are expecting handouts. Not the workers problem that they can't afford to pay for the work that they expect.
Yep. I used to be the type of guy who would give my employer extra time, simply because I enjoy the work, but I don't do it anymore. They're ungrateful and give me no recognition for it, so they can shove it as far as I'm concerned.
The bigger problem is that big companies absolutely can afford more employees. They just dismantled unions and bought Washington in 1980 to make sure they didn't have to deal with any of that anymore.
@@J.A.Z-TheMortal Unions are still a thing for lines of work that require skill.
@@ryanjones2297as someone who's in a union, all jobs require skills.. you self indulgent skeeve.
If it is expected, is it “above and beyond”? If you tell me you expect ABC, I’ll give you excellent ABC, but if you also want DEF, let me know you want DEF.
What this psycho overlooks is a very important skill, especially for salary personnel, and that’s knowing the difference between things that needed to be done immediately, and those that can be put off an hour/day/week, to concern on the immediate needs. I’ve never had any issue working over, even when salary, to finish a time sensitive project, but I’m not going to stay late to get extra work on a non time sensitive projects.
This idea of ”working longer” as a virtue was finally framed to me as a specifically cultural one when someone stated that In Germany they don’t believe working more than your allotted 8 hrs is a sign of hardwork, in fact, it's a sign of a problem. Because why aren't you able to finish your work in the 8hrs given to you? This is a sign of a problem, not an asset, so it prompts investigation: Is it an issue w/ the employee or the business itself: Is the employee bad at time management? Multi-tasking? or is it a management issue, like not explaining tasks well or hiring enough workers?
And here's where we get to why this is an American issue because it usually ties directly to our accepted corporate toxic culture of skeleton crews.
In more rational times/places, we'd frame the inability to get work down during normal work hours as an issue to be addressed. But that led to actually highlighting the actual problem: Not enough workers, which wasn't a problem for management. It was by design. So we stopped highlighting longer hours as a problem and just normalized them. Instead of working longer in rare emergency instances, we made them the standard and then made it the employee’s problem of not accepting them as the issue. Yes, working past 9 to 5 is necessary: When you're working towards your own business/career. Working longer because a company refuses to hire the necessary amount of workers & eroding the traditional 9 to 5 workday exists because you have to do the job of two people for (likely) the pay of less than one and it is not seen as something that sets you apart if its standard operating procedure
And it's not OK.
It has not been ok, and has led to further nonsense like losing your job because you took a vacation or a day off to go to the dentist (all real things that have happened to people) because taking time off and preparing the office & delegating tasks to others so everything still works seamlessly w/o you for a few days/hours, like a "responsible worker", only tells your job "Ah, we can still run efficiently w/o Bob. Let's fire him, keep the salary/wage and get Jen to the extra work.". No pay raise btw.
It's a scam that literally incentivizes people to A. Not take time off, EVER (hello mental breakdowns) B. Incentivizes doing the bare minimum, because there are no real rewards for being a good worker. Just more work, same crappy pay and C. Takes the focus off the business itself for shitty hiring practices that have eroded the work/life balance and put the burden on the worker (with the LEAST AMOUNT OF LEVERAGE) to advocate for that constantly eroded boundary.
Grow up and learn to work. Who knows, you might even make something of youraelf.
The Northern European cultures’s better life balance has made them the top flight economies. Better yet, people live longer by about 7 years. Meanwhile the US is last in Western industrial nations and dropping: in the end, fear of losing your livelihood as common motivator by employers, ends up killing any innovation.
You read my mind. And there are other macro issues too. You should have your own column as a writer!!
This is an interest take, and it makes total sense. I was one of those folks who didn't take time off, though, because I'm unsocial and never cared to go anywhere during off days anyways. So what would happen is that in Q4, leadership would start reminding people about the use it or lose it policy with vacation days, and encouraged people to take their time off. One year, I kept putting it off and so I ended up having to be off from December 8th through January 4th (I used vacation days at the beginning of the year just so I wouldn't have so much accrued throughout the next year). I felt bad that my teammates had to cover for me with an already decreased staff during the holidays. Thankfully, AT&T (management side) didn't begrudge us for using our vacation time--it was encouraged so we didn't end up in my situation, taking off 3 1/2 weeks at once.
@@jamesaritchie1 Will you be more productive than Germany, though?
One of the most valuable work lessons I had was from a janitor: Never work off the clock.
I put up to an extra 15 minutes of my time maybe once or twice a month. I'm ok with that anything more is overkill
@@Doors067 It's not just a pay issue. If you get hurt off the clock, good luck getting any kind of workers' comp.
Salaried people who kill themselves for the job will convince you that is a smart thing to do.
The truly smart people are the hourly workers who haven't bought into that.
@@homecomingday yes it probably is. And he can enjoy his life because of it. So thats fine. Have you never had a good job that was completely fucking intolerable? I'd rather be a janitor.
A most valuable lesson. Sidenote... I worked - briefly - as a janitor's ASSISTANT (lol) and that's pretty much what he told me. The rule applies until you start your own business, by the way.
I had a boss once and they made me put a reason why I wanted vacation request when I submitted it. Meaning they wanted to know where I was going and what I was doing. I told them I didn’t feel comfortable discussing my personal vacation and travel plans at work. She said that I wouldn’t get approved unless I followed her request. I finally started making stuff up. Saying I just wanted a personal day and wasn’t going anywhere. She then would they don’t feel the need to let me have this time off unless you’re going somewhere. WTF? That’s my personal vacation time that I earned! I quit soon after because she never respected my boundaries.
I put in a request in January to take the week of Christmas off. By April it still wasn’t approved. Supervisor said she was waiting until later in the year because the newbies get transferred around, and she didn’t know who we’d have, or whether they’d already have time off approved by their previous supervisor . . . unless I had to buy plane tickets, then we could talk about it. Excuse me? I’d been there for 21 years. My family is a 90 minute drive away. I should not get bumped by someone just because they chose to move away from their family. And when I have decades of seniority and I made my request in January, there shouldn’t be any issue at all.
They don’t think about the fact that resentment brews all year until the request is granted, and it’s a distraction from work.
@@genxx2724 I completely agree with your point. I gotta know though, did you get your time off approved yet?? If not at this point I would lie and say yes, Xmas plans changed and I do need to buy plane tickets
The correct answer is camping in the hills, caving, hanging out inside a faraday cage. Don't bother trying to call.
Sounds like stalking behavior.
@@SuperYoshi29 Thank you for your concern. I got injured and was off work over the holidays. But the injury was at the beginning of October, and my request was still waiting for approval. That’s ridiculous and abusive. It should be illegal.
From my experience, working above and beyond was not rewarded but became expected, with one exception. One time, a manager saw that I was working weekends and evenings (no social life then, so why not) and sent me to Denver for a 6 month assignment with per diem. Best assignment ever. Otherwise, too many abusive bosses exploiting their power to force us to work extra hours. I stopped putting up with that when I got married. Haven't regretted that decision since.
Kinda nice to see people pushing back like this. I was a high end waiter out in Pennsylvania for 16 years. You are paid 2.83 and hour plus the tips you make. I had numerous managers try to get me to do dirty busy work when it was slow. I would always tell them.no, that is not what I was hired for. Their response was always, "well, we pay you to do this stuff", and my response was "no, you don't even pay me enough to cover my tax liability fir the hours I work, the guests pay me, so I will hang out here and look after them, thank you, bye." Lucky for me I had far too many regular customers for them to fire me lol. The look on the managers faces still make me smile.
@@homecomingday what a nonsensical statement
This reminds me of the movie Office Space and the supervisor's harassment over "expressing yourself" by wearing more "bling". Nothing to do with job performance. Jennifer Aniston gave the correct answer: middle finger to the face!
They didn't replace you with someone else?
@trianglesandsquares420 no. Because I brought in so many regular guests because my focus was on them. I brought in over 500k a year in revenue myself and had a regular following of people that wanted me, specifically, to take care of them.
People who ignore work/life balance and take on extra hours all the time are the one who enable the company to not pay people more/hire more people to do required tasks. Why would the company hire an extra person when they know Gabe will just do the work by staying late and working weekend?
The company pays a smartass guy like Gabe to be an example for other people trying to fool them in working longer hours without getting overtime pay. Employees are often treated like idiots who can easily be manipulated into working faster. harder and longer without any additional rewards. The sad thing is that too many companies succeed at doing this.
Number one reason I hate working with Gen X'rs. It's less common in white collar, but when I was blue collar it was always the moron X'rs trying to drag everyone into working for free because of 'ethic' and other stupid crap that never translates into better treatment or pay. Glad they're dieing like the dinosaurs because they can't keep up with the changing workforce.
@@shadow7988 Not all Gen Xs are like that but you are right in saying that "ethics" and "solidarity" are often use as a moral obligation to make people work for free or a modest wage. Why is it considered ethical to work for free but not ethical to give employees a better wage?
@@beldiman5870 Morpheus said it best. "There are people so reliant on the system, so desperately inured, that they will fight to protect it."
@@shadow7988 Sons of Anarchy also have a good quote :"Most human beings only think they want freedom.
In truth, they yearn for the bondage of social order, rigid laws, materialism.
The only freedom man really wants is the freedom to be comfortable."
when I read her idea of “work structures” and “long hours” and “all nighters”.
I am reminded how my father set all his kids second to corporations. He had a lot of stress. We barely seen the guy. Climbed to management and then to director position.
My dad died right before he turned 56. In an awful way.
This woman is trying to coax adults to work themselves to death.
I'm so sorry about your father. People like the writer of that article think that everyone should be excited about their dream as they are, despite the fact only the dreamer benefits. It's a failure of management, not a failure of the worker. If there's too much work for a workday, then management has failed to adequately staff for demand. Thankfully the current generation has realized that it's not on on them to subsidize the dreams of people like this.
The days of the "Gold Watch" are long over and we should recognize that fact and prioritize accordingly.
The USA 🇺🇸 had 1000s of labor, 👷🏼♂️ hard working types of many trades, industry to create the modern society. Many people do not get that.
The Japanese have a word for this: Karoshi.
Yeah, I like corporate/enterprise for its scale, but the meeting culture needs improved on. I normally gut my schedule of most meetings so I can actually accomplish work and go home.
The bills were paid right? Ask your mom why he did that.
If youre needed enough you have a lever. I made my boss buy a company phone for me and blocked him from my personal phone so he can only reach me during work hours. Stand up!
In Germany it is ILLEGAL to send work emails after work hours or during the weekend. BOUNDARIES!
Germany rocks! If I ever make it back there, I'm NOT leaving...
Well, MediaMarkt surely brokes several of those rules
I'm german, if this is real then I might should sue my boss
Never heard of that before. Liebe Grüße aus der Hauptstadt
Ironically, Germany is where this bloated workload culture started. You guys did it like 200 years ago, and everyone just copied it. Only difference is, you evolved out of it.
"You don't live to work, you work to live"
I've been saying this for nearly two decades now whenever I've seen people stressing and working tons of extra hours for no reason.
Fortunately I work for a good company that respects the work life balance and compensates whenever extra time is needed, even for salary employees.
As Tuco from The Good The Bad and The Ugly said: "If you work to live, why do you kill yourself working?"
People genuinely think those extra hours and extra money will mean anything in 20 years when they've missed out on important time with their loved ones that they will never get back.
It's sad.
Boundaries are essential for good mental health. ESSENTIAL. Anyone who is deliberately challenging your boundaries and is unwilling to accept them is not a good person to spend your day with. We call that a Toxic Relationship.
All jobs are toxic, but some are way more toxic than others.
True. This woman is toxic.
I’ll never understand why in a world where civilized balance is such a thin line, people feel safe enough to spit in the face of others like this. Like, seriously, treat people right because you never know how many psychos are out there ‘till you piss one off. I’ve talked to a few and man I’ve always tried my best to be nice in general, but they taught me why you do it. We treat people fair because it really is a gamble to take advantage of someone. And boy the house might not always win, but when it does…
This applies to US labor laws: If he was an hourly employee, it is actually ILLEGAL to do anything work related, including discuss projects/expectations or have 'mini-meetings', outside of work hours.
depends on the size of the company. i think that law only applies to operations with over 100 people, and that have set scheduling clock in/clock out mechanics. some smaller operations allow employees to bill for hours. keep their own time card, etc. so if you have to stay 5 hours late to finish a task on a job site, no worries, just fill in your time slip.
@@fakiirification but by posting time slips after the fact, that retroactively makes those hours into work hours. And thus an employee will be paid for those hours.
Now the illegality of working off hours is more to be forced to work off-hours. An employee can willingly agree to some off hours duties, usually answering internal calls or responding to emails. The illegality is if the employee cannot claim that as work time, and yet is expected to do such duties regardless. If I want to be unavailable when off the clock. That is my right. I can choose to waive that right, but I cannot be forced to.
Thanks for the info. I was unaware.
but you forget the main rule, is the golden rule. people with ;more gold write the rules. life ain't fair. no one is going to take care of you or protect you unless you have money and power.
@@johngillon6969 so you just let your boss walk over you? lol that's a great career move to be stuck and abused at work. like class action lawsuits are a thing my man.
My husband is leaving a decent company after 10 years for a better opportunity and a m-f after years of retail management. He felt some form of guilt, but I reminded him. You are a body for a corporation. It is overly kind that you gave them 4 weeks' notice. If they were firing him, there would be no notice or such concern. He would have his keys taken and be walked out.
How much will your company miss you when you leave? You know when you put your hand in a bucket of water then take it out? The hole you leave will be like that one
"If hard work was the solution to having lots of money and being successful in life, the people doing construction working really hard back breaking labor every day would be the top 1 percent. They'd be the rich people, but hard work is not the key to having infinite money."
Dude, this is so true. The people out there doing the actual WORK certainly aren't making it out with bag fulls of money.
The problem is that people think that a work must be hard or you are not being productive. The fact is - if you are productive, your work should be easier! A guy with a shovel can dig a hole all day, but a guy with a machine will dig more, bigger, deeper holes, for the same time. The shovel guy will be all sweaty and tired and with blisters, and he would have done LESS. Hard work is a scam.
How difficult/challenging something is for you is not a good indicator of how valuable it is for others - despite what we would all like to believe
You can make a very good living in construction. Not 1 percent level money but well over 80k a year.
@@alexforce9 yes, 10000 yes, working harder or be demanded to work harder don't make a better result at the end.
Bosses tend to think that the harder you smack something the faster you will finish and most of the time you can do it in half the time if they bother to give you better tools/communication, and I mean this in all work fields.
Management is at fault of 90% of work related issues worldwide.
@@alexforce9 I agree with you that it's about working smarter and more efficiently. There's many people who don't work "hard " who make tons of money by passive income, consulting speaking engagements/product sales, or off their employees.
People who work for you are putting their dreams on hold to work on making your dreams come true. There is no salary, no matter how high, that could possibly say thank you enough, for a person doing that for you. The gratitude you must feel, must be profound.
I've been a lazy ass developer working remotely all the time, idk, my career is going just fine.
That part is true about being "granted a life"
is not in the company legal work contract.They know it.
If you keep on getting assignments and projects, you must be doing a good job. After all they might not think of you as being a lazy ass
Being lazy yet producing results doesn't mean you don't work, I think generally it just means you work with your mind more. People with small minds don't have that kind of mind so they just assume you're a low energy loser when in fact they're just dumb apes.
that's because "being a lazy ass developer" is a kind of "guilt" that we project in ourselves for basically not submitting to over-work. You're basically doing your work just fine, but feeling like you're doing less than required because you have the internalized idea that you should be doing more.
as long as ceos are milking the system with stock buybacks, some buying politicians, offshoring jobs, cutting workers off at the drop of a hat, getting social handouts from the government, stopping people from unionizing (and the list goes on), why shouldn't we milk the ceos? They set the example of stealing, so we should steal from them. It's only fair in their perception of meritocracy
Gabrielle: *proudly looks up and off into the distance* "I managed people today."
😂😂😂
looool
Hilarious! 😂😂
Lmao. It's funny and gross at the same time.
she's a big girl now.
ALWAYS prioritize life over work. You can get a new job, but this is your only chance at life.
If you consider your job just a job, it is kind of sad but I get it, but I sometimes find my work really interesting, which may cause me to work longer
@@Account-br9kc You're lucky. My job is mind numbing and frustrating. So I've stopped going above and beyond.
@@darkdudironaji Same, only thing that keeps me sane is audio books and podcasts
I'd add "and always prioritize the work over career."
Career requires a focus on kissing ass, forsaking integrity, and expediency. It's not satisfying.
The work makes us smarter, more capable, more useful. I'd wager you'll never find a successful entrepreneur who values career over the work.
@@pickledparsleyparty Straight out of "The Fountainhead" 👏
Miss Peterson: “Wahh! My employees won’t let me steal their time and labor! How mediocre!” 🤣🤣
May the algorithm be with you.
lol, good one.
If I’m gonna work that much, it’ll only be for my own business. Not for someone else’s. They act like the own your life and soul.
They're paying to rent YOU now. Like a machine
Yeah but what if you end up upscaling, hiring extra employees, a PA, an apprentice, a Sales Girl/Guy, the company who comes to your floor once a month to replace and restock your water cooling machine etc etc
Before you know it, you'll be working WITH others to grow your business. When revenue is low and you realise you have to lay someone off, you will realise how tough it is to run a business.
She sounds like a Karen so she did him a favor. And I can bet that she didn't fire him - he left. Now she can't forget about him - he's the one that got away lol
He shouldn't have worked for a karen in the first place. A Karen who doesn't have a real company, she is a freelancer ffs and a Karen who has never managed sh*t, he was her first hire. And it was probably another freelancer, ie who else can a freelancer employ?
I go above and beyond in my work during business hours. I pace myself and work off hours only when it's absolutely necessary. Its a good image to project and find ways to let people know that you did so. It's about exhibiting your capacity. Lets be real, work is just a game. Gotta play it a little bit. I've excelled at every job and made all these folks and their fancy degrees/certifications look bad. Just be tenacious and resourceful, that will help distinguish yourself from others.
Firing someone is one of the most gut wrenching things I've ever done/do...even if it needs to happen. It makes me physically sick. So if you can write an article highlighting and justifying it..there's really something wrong with you!!!
Worse, she got off on it.
She writes for HuffPo, so you're probably right.
She's a gen z psychopath. Unfortunately I've had to deal with these self-entitled babies that don't have an ounce of life experience or empathy.
I used to buy into this mindset, and worked so hard and beyond the scope of my role. But this was never rewarded. I never saw my loyalty repaid in security or recognition. It wasn't even about the money. I just wanted to know I would have a job, ongoing. So, I stopped. I stopped being loyal, and stopped going above the bar. The only thing that changed? I was happier 🙂
I've had toxic relationships where they have said very similar things to that writer. It never ended well. If nearly two years of therapy and a mental breakdown have taught me, never settle and always maintain your boundaries.
Not just maintain but fortify them.
When you said the worst of the article is coming, I was like 'what?'
I worked in the food industry for 10 years. I put my all into everything, never said no, and took on more responsibilities then I could handle to showcase how worthy I was. I got nothing in return. I was overworked with no extra pay, and wasn't able to grow within the company. It finally came to the point that I just could not do it any longer. It was killing me slowly. To have a employer, like this, bash you publicly is despicable, and down right low. Big companies look at you like another number, and that you can easily be replaced. It's quite disgusting, and mentally breaking.
I’m in food service too. I made it management. But being salaried in this industry is literally the worst thing ever. I haven’t enjoyed a weekend outside of a restaurant in years. Quitting soon and changing trajectory completely.
@@bustamovehaha I have witnessed my managers struggle with balancing prep, working the line, paperwork, cash, and so much more. I loved the people I worked with, but it runs you down and takes a toll. I finally took the leap, and went back to school during the last year and a half I have been laid off, then permanently loosing my position because of lack of business in the corporate building we were working in. Trying to change careers in a totally new field as well. I wish you the best of luck going forward.
Sad to hear that Tiffany. What makes my blood boil is that there are assholes who will quite simply say, 'thats life. its tough out there' as a response to all of the above. There are those who do what you did for that company day in day out and never quit. These people are the ones who justify being a slave and taking unjustified bullcrap from others.
I wonder why there are so many people with depression what could possibly be the cause. *Completely ignores the fact that they treat they're employees as less than human. With no rewards for they're work only punishments.*
You realises too late, don't blame them. It's your own self being naive.
When an employer sees you are willing to take on extra work while not being properly paid for it, they WILL NEVER reward you with anything but more work with out extra pay, because that's the bar YOU set for them. Corporations want slaves and would pay you nothing if they could get away with it. They demand 110% or more loyalty while treating employees as a replaceable number on a spread sheet. The ONLY people who care if you live or die at a corporation are MAYBE your co-workers and your immediate boss. Above that... you are a number who could drop dead at work and the ONLY irritation would be the extra paperwork you caused them by dyeing at your desk.
and my job actually takes out life insurance on their employees. If i die, they aren't as inconvenienced by that $30k their insurance gives them.......
When I start having to do too much, I set my new price with my employer. If they accept, I stay. If they don't, I start looking around. Luckily, right now jobs are a dime a dozen, and folks can't find workers, so I got some leverage.
While I know what you are trying to say, be careful when using the word "always" and "never" as they imply a "near 100%" chance/frequency. In all my jobs I worked at in the past, I have been promoted and paid more for working longer hours; so your statement definitely isn't true even 1% of the time in my case. In the company I work for currently our employees do a lot of overtime hours and get paid handsomely for it. In most cases they prefer doing OT and finishing quicker than dragging the job/task longer because they make 50% more money per hour. ( Ex. two 60 hour weeks vs three 40 hour weeks)
Do the extra work for a few months then ask for a raise
Just refusing to do it until you get a raise first doesn’t benefit your negotiating position
I’ve always taken on extra and asked for raises a couple times a year
I get it, or I stop doin anything beyond my regular work duties
If the employer isn’t willing to pay me more for exceptional work output then I quit and find an employer who does
This is why I don’t like unions, no reward for being better than everyone else
WOW. Just WOW. Let the "workers shortage" continue. Can't treat employees like shit. 8 hours of work is enough.
Funny how there are workers out there. Just no jobs with appropriate wages and exp required.
Sadly, overturning Roe v Wade is the 'deep state' (such as it is, just a bunch of mafiosocial clubs) response.
BREED AND REPRODUCE. Like the slaves of old.
This. I cant get a raise but our company picknick is nothing more than giving customers a free steak dinner. 400 people RIGHT AFTER WORK from 7am to 9:30pm and ONE 30 minute BREAK. For the work day.
My first company would LOVE this article. I used to work with these bachelors who lived with their parents. When they go home food is served, laundry is done. All they had to do was eat the food and shower and wear the clothes. And they expected me to be as "diligent" as them. When I would be early to work no one would notice. But if I would leave on time they would ask "leaving already? so early?" They were the worst ppl I had ever met.
I recently learned that one of the principal/primary red flags of a narcissist is their disdain and contempt for another person's boundaries.
Even without the header, looking at her portrait I can't help but suspect that she's one...
yep, she is
That is a good point.
You can have whatever boundaries you want. I don't care. But when you sign on to work for me, your boundaries had better match mine. If you don't like that, find another job, or start your own business.
@@jamesaritchie1 did you really just say that
@James Ritchie spotted the narc
If you can't meet those "life and death" deadlines during business hours, hire some more help or stop making unreasonable deadlines. I wonder just how much work this toxic boss did outside business hours.
This is literally insane, but I’m glad this person posted it so we can see how invasive and predatory these sort of businesses and bosses are.
It's just a job, move on.
What a terrible man, comes at 9 and leaves at 5 (so doing a job in a working time frame) and not being avaliable any time without being payed for it. How lazy and smug of him to have a personal life and dignity
Watching this a year after it was posted. The quiet quitting movement would make this woman lose her tiny mind.
Subtext of this article is “how dare you not benefit my business/profit margin by working yourself into the ground for no additional reward.”
didnt even notice this was a year ago. With all the unions and stuff nowadays she's not gonna be able to power trip like that anymore. I hate female workers not gonna lie.
Same energy as slave drivers calling slaves lazy when there is no real incentives for the slaves to toil any harder than they have to.
Same as lazy employees wondering why they never get a rise.
@@MytelefeSame as corporate shills willing to lick the boots of their masters for scraps. Oh wait, that’s you
@@MytelefeHow's that boot taste? 🤡
"His workday was determined not by his work, but by his hours."
Ok, so by that logic, that means that if he does exceptional work and finishes early, he's going to be paid as if he did his standard hours even though he left three hours early. Is that the model? If it is, that's awesome! That's a great idea! I mean, isn't that just the flip side of working over your agreed-upon workday hours?
Oh wait, that can't be right. That would mean she would be responsible to compensate her employees based on the quality and timeliness of their work and not the hours she can guilt trip them into staying late. Cue the sound of her backpedaling.
Really...if he ran in there like he was storming the beach somewhere and knocked it all out in three hours, then left she'd dock him for the five hours. It'd still be a problem. This guy's better off out of there...
For my job I'm given task to complete and my manager could careless what I do with my time so long as I'm getting the tasks done. Even with tasks completion, I still don't leave too early though out of fear that someone else might care that I left early even though I've completed my tasks.
She would no doubt just want to give him even more work and then stress how "important" it was and that it needed to be completed that day even if it meant staying late. And if he complained she'd gripe about his "work ethic" even though he finished his earlier work ahead of schedule.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and you will never, ever be very successful.
@@dragonore2009 Yep, if you routinely started leaving early because you did all your tasks, you would just start getting more tasks. I think good value should always be given for pay received, but there is a one way ratchet in the work world. Prove you can excel, and that excellence will become the new baseline. Perhaps that is one argument for not staying in one place too long. Every year you have to beat last year’s performance in order to “exceed expectations “ and earn that extra half a percent raise. Eventually you are competing against an impossibly high standard that you yourself have set.
"Work/Life balance" doesn't mean anything. HR uses that empty phrase because they can insert any meaning they need to continue to enforce the tyranny of the CEO. Read "The Language of Oppression" by Bosmajian. He writes that the whole purpose of phrases like, "Work/Life balance" is to dehumanize someone.
Comrade Wilson, It is very strange to expect something humane from a person working in "Human RESOURCES": you are just a resource for them, a tool and nothing more.
Haig Bosmajian👌 thanks for sharing!
@@ДаудМухамеджанов Exactly, the term "Human Resources" is simply intended to differentiate between available resources in a company. There is also financial resources, automation ressources(robots), assets, etc But for some reason, People are just getting the wrong impression that HR exists to protect them as employees in case of conflicts
The company had that but even evaluation they would complain about the fact that I do no overtime. TBH I did in the beginning but after 2-3 years I realized that just enable them to not hire enough people that I stopped.
Normally I'd buy books like that which are recommended, but Amazon is selling it for $45. That's oppressive.
I had a friend who had become emotionally and verbally abusive. I set up boundaries very kindly and clearly. She responded by abusing me more in writing. I communicated my boundaries more clearly. To which she vehemently accused me of putting boundaries before relationships. I said, yeah, that’s how boundaries work. I’m free of the abuse now.
This article is the greatest self roast I have ever seen. The tldr is “I am a shitty person who takes away someone’s means to provide for themselves when they don’t bend to my every whim”
Perfect!
"And a misguided entitlement to a workday neatly bookended." Wow, she has no idea how entitled she sounds, that employees should be like slaves and she wants total control over her underlings. She doesn't have a clue that she's the villain in this story, does she?
I bet she would advocate the exact opposite when its her that has a boss like herself :P
She is abusing her very limited power. 😬
She is completely oblivious to her role in this situation and it is comically heartbreaking.
Every villain think they are the hero in their own story.
@@Jose04537 So true and so sad!
I have worked in several arenas in my life and I can't understand the attitude of office employer and the way they treat their staff. I have seen people, grown men and women crying having breakdowns over some POS who made the work place horrendous and very toxic. To be honest I am happy that the younger workers are staying no to this.
AMEN!!!
This is one reason I am so in favor of remote work when possible. Going into a job has considerable costs such as time, transportation, work wardrobe, meals, etc. Then, once you're at the office, you are blessed with office politics (which can be really ugly sometimes). I'm retired now, but I hated the politics. I was very good at my job and just wanted to be left alone to do it, but some people aren't happy unless there's drama. Heaven help you if that person is your boss.
A long time ago I worked for a manufacturing company that was forcing hourly people to work overtime for free. I suggested that was against the labor laws and the company could be in trouble if someone sued. My boss assured me that their lawyers had assured them it was all in the up and up. Well, someone complained to the state labor board. The state employment people came in and investigated. Long story short I got paid enough back pay to replace my roof. Everyone got paid their back overtime and the company was fined. It's not good business to try to rip off your employees and make sure you have good lawyers I guess.
When I was a dumb and young manager, eager to prove myself, I was once literlly lectured by a recent graduate about the importance and the benefits of boundaries. At first, I was seriously mad at him but I quickly realized that he had a point. Later in my career, I realized that I had, in fact, learned a great lesson from him and I used his rationale more than once - usually when being confronted with the ignorance and selfishness from eager beavers like Gabrielle Peterson (no pun intended - I have no insight into Gabrielle's beaver situation)... the fact that Ms. Peterson is publicly boasting that she had fired him is very telling and proof of the delusional self-perception of her kind.
Don't lie, you know what is going on with her beaver.
Sounds like she needs a lawsuit coming her way.
I love how people make these absolutely ridiculous claims without having any data backing them off and then there's independent research done on dozens of companies that show exactly how reduced working hours and a good work/life balanced not only contributed to employee happiness but also higher performance overall. But we have to live in an age where journalists and writers are mediocre themselves, base their articles on personal bias/prejudice combining it with anecdotal evidence(if it can even be called evidence) and when they actually do read an article, either lie about the content or findings or simply are incapable of understanding it....
There are very few true journalists today.
I'm really glad you're putting attention on this. I was a corporate lawyer at Skadden and it was exactly what you would imagine (crazy high hours, working holidays, ridiculous demands from clients, difficult partners, etc)... I was good at law but I left after 5.5 years because I just didn't want that lifestyle. I tried a somewhat smaller firm and it was 90% of the stress of Skadden with 60% of the pay. I left law altogether after 7 years and now I'm opening my own business. If I'm gonna work hard, I may as well keep all the profits. And I'm wayyyyyy happier
I don’t work overtime unless I get paid overtime. If a deadline is gonna require extra work but I’m not gonna get paid to finish it, then it wasn’t that important of a deadline. I get tired of working at Companies that give the minimum to succeed but have the highest expectations. Not to mention I also hope the person fired reads this article and decide to sue for compensation. If he did, then for her sake she better hope she holds true and have fired others for the same reason, or else attorneys would have a field day with Ms. HBIC
He is a legend and he knows his worth! Screw the manager
There’s a line from Weekend at Bernies that springs to mind, “my old man worked hard all his life all they did was give him more work.”
Great video mate 👍🏻
Omg this hit home. 4 years ago I was fired from a job because my boss told me that being a snr manager meant I should be working longer. Coming in early and staying much later or at least logging into work at home after dinner!! I told her I have a 2 year old whom I have to pick up from daycare at a certain time. She told me that when her kid was that young she found a daycare that opened at 6 am and she would drop her kid off at 6 and go to work and the pick her up at 7 pm! Taker the kid home wash and dinner and off to bed. She would then log into work after her kid was asleep to do more work!!!!
I wish I had recorded her saying all that so that I could have sued that company for wrongful termination.
@@JBS2018 Abusive, even.
You could still Sue her for worngful terminații if you show them you did your tasks în The time frame your contract mentions. She has no right to ask you to work off hours, if is not în The contract.
"You can't progress in your career, by just doing your job". This is actually 100% true. The competition is rough out there, if you think working 9-5 is ample, good luck being mediocre for the rest of your life.
In many "professional" jobs working hard and above and beyond time commitment does not even guarantee that you won't be fired.
It just guarantees bonuses to the people who make ten people do the work of fifteen...
Game Devs are a perfect example of killing yourself and not even sure if you will get fired or not once you have overworked yourself, let alone if you will be hired full time or not. Let alone companies which dangled the carrot for the employees, only to never give it to them.
@@cttommy73 Oh, they got the carrot- just not in the hole they thought...
I worked my but off and did everything I was told at my last job. When they put me on a shift I told them.at the beginning of the year that I can't do anymore because it stresses me out and is bad for my heart health, I quit.
I recently learned my boss, she only did it to spite me. Because she was cutting my hours and I asked for more, so she scheduled me on my most stressful shift. I tried to work through it. But after I got bossed around and bullied by an employee who had been there only 3 months, I did half-assed my job, and left. Worked my final shift on a shift i enjoyed, and never came back. Put my two weeks in before that too and they never called me. Almost as if they were trying to get rid of me, while also complaining about how short staffed they are and how people call-in and don't show up for work.
I was there 2 1/2 years. And I never felt appreciated.
Now I'm unemployed and currently worried about finding a new job.
This previous job screwed me up.
I always felt like I could work my ass off and I'd still feel like I was doing something wrong. I went into work like that dreading it for so long. All because I just wanted reassurance that I was doing something right. Couldn't even get that.
Pisses me off.
I just want to be appreciated and respected and have consistent hours and schedule. But no, because I wasn't working 5 or 6 days a week and coming in to work for other people on my days off, I was worthless to them. I worked my but off, only to get more pressure to work harder. And whenever i felt less stressed, i felt like i was doing something wrong or felt guilty that i wasn't working harder. It's such an abusive mindset to have put yourself in.
I'm glad i have a therapist to help me through this because that job was not good for my mental health. Not very healthy mindsets there.
Exactly. You can work your ass off and get nowhere because of it. I've learned it really does just mean you're a sucker. If I'm a C employee making $200k, fine, that's enough compensation for me to be willing to answer the phone outside business hours. But the shit wages the rest of us get paid do not remotely justify getting calls after hours.
I'm glad Ireland has pushed out the Right to Disconnect. You can work your hours then log off and forget until the next day.
I never heard of that. Sounds good
Definitely agree - work to live, don't live to work!! Years ago, I was someone who routinely put in 12 hr days (+ 1.5 hr commute) for over 6 years at a company. My thank you for all the hard work and extra hours... a 12 wk severance package and the door. They "reorganized" and decided they needed someone with 20+ yrs experience, due to their growth, and I only had 10 yrs (at that time). Growth that I helped them achieve!! I learned my lesson... never again will I fall into this routine. Don't get me wrong, if I need to put in the occasional extra time, for 1 or 2 days, to meet a deadline...ok. But this will not become my default behavior ever again. (And I'm currently employed at a great employer, who respects boundaries, and make good money with profit sharing...so to all those who believe that you must work 10+ hr days to advance your career... this is incorrect.)
What is with there obsession with years of experience? At some point it's mostly just arbitrary numbers what can a candidate do with 20 years experience that a candidate with 10 can't?
Thats how shitty Companies use you. They treat you like toilet paper. Not a pleasant analogy but its the truth. Once you have been fully used, exploited for their personal gains and been utlised to 'help the company grow' you're expendable. You are just another nobody they paid peanuts to help them reach their new heights. After that they can get rid of you and start all over, and pay the new recruit peanuts. Remember, the company is more important than you or me. Do it for the company. that's the usual b/s motto.
A lot of companies pay lip service to the concept of "work/life balance" but it's all just talk and when push comes to shove they want to encroach on as much of your personal time as you'll let them get away with. It's probably a good thing he got fired and can move on from that toxic boss.
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As an architect, I can tell you that's very accurate. We are bred throughout school to pull all nighters and by the end of it, it seems natural. Fortunately, employers I've worked for, all promoted the "lock the door @5" even if the task was not done yet, basically fighting against all the 6 years of work-work-work programming that's been poured into us.
Corect. Doamne, cât am detestat în facultate fetișizarea epuizării...
University has an all-nighter culture because 18-25 year old's generally do not have families to take care of whether the young or the old. When you are 40 you have children and your parents to begin to look after, this means "free time" is actually care-taking. Employers also have to manage the payroll because expecting all-nighter inevitably leads to people quitting, which leads to more all-nighters, and more quitting. And many architecture firms are viewed as superfluous anyway. Sounds like your bosses are attempting to keep the firm solvent.
As an Architect for many years, I wish I could say the same. At many of the firms I worked for, the managers and principals were basically "yes men" for the client, OK'ing every unreasonable deadline that the client had, with no input from the people actually doing the work. One firm would even continue doing work for developer clients who hadn't paid in over a year. When you're new they (the principals) say "if you ever feel overloaded, just let us know and we'll get you the help you need - we don't want you burning out". Then when that time actually comes, they respond with "Why do you need help - what's the problem?!?" or "We don't have the budget for another person on this project". So then it's 25-30 hours of unpaid overtime on your part, and if you don't do the OT needed to get the work done, you get a sit down "what do you need from us to help you get the job done better?" meeting with the bosses, which is nothing more than a veiled threat to your job, because they're never to to get you the help you actually need. So it's basically work the unpaid OT hours, until you can find a (maybe) better job, or you get laid off. The college all-nighters are just a dress rehearsal for the architecture profession.
@@Seattle-2017 This is still the crux of capitalism...no good deed goes unpunished. Highly efficient, hard working people will be exploited for profits either from the client or the board, CEO, or boss. And people work hard and are efficient presumably for good compensation, which cannot be enjoyed because their hard work is inevitably always needed. A firm will take on more jobs, more clients, and each job will offer more to the each client until good employees burn out, quit, promote up to less work. This is why work/balance came about. It was an admission from employer to the employee and client that max profits was not possible, and a balance was needed.
@@orclover2353 You're absolutely right, except that "Work/Life Balance" is just a relatively new, empty catchphrase that companies use as a pretense that they'll respect employee's time and well being, when in actuality, nothing has changed, and nothing will change.
God forbid doing the job you're being paid off and having time for yourself
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The “need” for regular additional hours and sacrifice of family time is more a strong indication of poor management than any lack of employee performance. The guy was fired because he was a constant reminder of this simple fact.
Real shit. And if the management is good but everyone is still working overtime, then it's a natural indicator to hire more staff.
That's nonsense. This guy was fired because he wasn't willing to work as hard as he should have. Period. It's called "How to fail in life in one easy lesson."
I don’t have a family an don’t want to stay . My old job was like that find the single ppl or ppl with no kids to work longer or force to take shifts
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You fail in life by being a corporate shill. Nobody goes to their grave wishing the had "worked harder and longer" for that corporate vulture.