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I was pulled aside and basically had my employment threatened with the line "We usually prefer to hire people who already know how to meet expectations without the training you require so I really hope this works out for you."
@@julietten5614 that's exactly what my first boss did to me. Hire someone right out of school so he can underpay me, then expect me to almost immediately get the results of someone with 2-3 years experience.
I grew up in a pretty toxic and dysfunctional family. When a potential employer tells me they are like a family it doesn't evoke the same types of emotions for me that they thought or hoped it would.
I always laugh at things like this. Like. Sure, man. Lemme just call you at 3 am, like any normal family member, and ask for the day off. I don't think you're going to appreciate it.
Fast paced environment usually translates as: "We will overwork you and overstress you and when you burn out we will blame you for not being up to the task and will spit you out and yell "Next!"
I had an interview recently in which the words "fast paced environment" were in the job announcement. I applied anyway and when I was in he interview a couple of the people interviewing me said they had worked until 9pm the night before. At that point, I started wondering if I wanted that job after all. They haven't called me so I guess I got rejected, which is OK.
And this is why you should never, ever, work in a customer service call center. Trust me. Sometimes the calls are slow, 90%+ of the time, they aren't and you will be doing mandatory OT
@Atheist Biologist I feel you, did it once, never again. Unless the work is fulfilling or I'm getting paid 6+ figures, it's not happening. You don't pay me enough to wreck my body.
@@matthewharrison5323 I said to a coworker before because I got hired at a place where when I was new and was told I can talk to them, I would call our executive assistant she would ignore my calls and then immediately call the office manager in the next room, she was put on speaker, so that I could hear her say “I’m not speaking to her she’s not family”. Didn’t know it was a bad thing to say. I mean I’d never say that as a means to call any job a family to sound like a great team when it’s dysfunctional. Lmao
I worked for a guy that ALWAYS used the phrase 'we want people that think outside of the box'. So when I quit, I told them that I was gonna go think outside the box 😂
@@murraysaucedo897 exactly you're then ostracized as "difficult" and a "disgruntled employee" which is all a part of the gaslighting manipulative tactics.
Well, to paraphrase the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition 111: "Treat your employees likie family... exploit them". Also rule 110: "Exploitation begins at home."
My last job pretty much did all this bs. Had to beg for a raise and then they cut my hours and oh yeah you had to work holidays even if you were scheduled off 🙃
Also remember, your "work friends" are not "real friends." Be kind, be cordial, but don't get sucked into the drama and gossip of work, it will ALWAYS backfire.
@@azores15 I've been asked about my religion, just that they had something to talk in front of me they thought would make me mad - I have never met such gross people before. Ugly from inside out, no manners, no education. Not a single decent person in sight.
One of my best friends, who’s one of the other founding members of the band I’m a part of, I met at my first job. We worked together for almost three years
Such a wise and astute comment John…there is a distinct difference to me, and while I enjoy the folks I work with, I’ve done well to maintain them at an arm’s length at all time. JC
Also beware of a company bragging about being "family owned," where daddy-owner has anointed his adult children with management positions. No matter how incompetent they are, they cannot be fired. You, however, are quite expendable.
Last job I had was family owned. The owner's sister had previously been removed from their position by a manager who actually knew what he was doing, but when the owner found out, that manager was removed and the sister was brought back. Eventually, my boss decided to take advantage of me and got away with not paying me for a month of work. And when I started demanding payment, I was laid off.
Always remember, The want you to be scared to lose your job, but they are infinitely more worried about looking for a suitable replacement, then training them, then waiting for them to get to YOUR working level. A company losing an employee can cost a lot of money, just from the paperwork to fill out for new applicants alone. Don't let them scare you, ever. You are selling your time for their profit, they're not doing you a favor.
I had a manager say this to me point blank. They kept me around because it would cost too much to train a replacement who knew as much as I did (and was willing to take the pay that I did).
I truly hope you are not going "Above and beyond" for such disrespect to your face. Take more than you give there mate, and i hope something comes along even better for you asap. @@littlekingtrashmouth9219
AMEN! I was looking for this exact comment before posting it myself. Had experienced it twice by now. This time, I'll take that note and will actively look for companies who do NOT tell me that during the interview.
I worked for a company who said they encouraged independent thinkers and welcomed new ideas. Yet whenever you made suggestions or challenged the way things were done you got told "Well that's how we've always done it!" And then you were seen as negative and disruptive.
I try to keep my mouth shut now. Even if they like my idea. They have someone else implement it. And after that person half asses it they blame me for the "bad" idea.
And then companies complain on why employees are not innovative, just "do the least possible", "act like robots", and many others not so flattering bs comments.
What my bosses know about me: I work hard I take my work very seriously I won't tolerate being yelled at If I dont get properly compensated, I WILL leave. If I get denied raises, I WILL leave. I am not at work to make friends so expecting anything off hours without pay is a no-go My family and my health come before work. People are useless when they're sick or extremely stressed If you lie to me its over. There is no making it up to me. Break the trust, break the employment agreement.
Based. We need employees to be allowed to contribute to their own employment contracts with terms like these. Half of companies would go broke due to labor shortages.
Yessir/ma'am! Going to screenshot and read this daily as I search for a new job! Thank you 🙏 By the way, the family stuff makes me want to puke. Can we please grow up FINALLY and realize we're both parties in a legal contractual relationship? Grown-up business partners? I sell you an hour of my skilled labor for x amount of dinero, THAT'S IT! I don't need your company parties, team buildings, I just want to deliver top quality excellent work as I do and be paid a good price for it, thank you very much. Graduated kindergarten ages ago.. This whole HR BS makes me see red every single time. Like why do we have to do this to ourselves ? 🤯 Anyway thank you for reading my rant and for your clear cut message, by which I'll henceforth live! 💪
Not always true. My previous employer quietly paid for employees college degrees, their kids college degrees, and vacation travel expenses for some employees. He also paid the 6 months salary when the warehouse manager was hospitalized, even though he was in bed recovering from a major surgery. Very good employee retention at that company. If you were new, or a floor sweep you didn’t get this special treatment, but it’s still nothing the owner HAD to do!
So true. I work for a law firm, I work with countless of people who dedicate 20+ years to a company and are fired for the most trivial thing. You’re less than a number for these greedy companies. Look out for yourself; they certainly won’t. Regardless of whatever story they want to tell you.
There was a company I once worked for that surveyed the employees, asking them if they 'love' working there. My response was: If you were in a relationship where your 'friend' could dump you at a moments notice but if you wanted to break-up you had to give him 2 weeks notice, how much emotion would *you* invest into the relationship?
You don't have to give 2 weeks, that's some bullshit peddled by them to gain an advantage. If you don't want to work there again, and don't want references (I assure you, you don't want references from toxic employers), they don't need notice. If you're leaving a good employer for greener pastures, for sure give notice so they can fill your role. But, if you're emancipating yourself from a pos employer, they can go screw.
Actually the 2 wks notice is only a courtesy.. at will, goes both ways. My boss yelled at me in a nasty way in front of other people in a meeting , I got up said, well I m leaving and walked out
Yes, I have had those surveys too, and they would present them as being anonymous. I never believed they were anonymous as I think they tracked them somehow. Anyway, I always answered them in the most positive way possible. Because they do not really want you opinion on working conditions and the company, what they really want is to identify dissents.
My previous employer used exactly the same phrase "we are like a family". It ended up being a fully disfunctional family with a lot of drama, fights, gossips and absantee boss.
We say this at my company...well i hear us employees say it. Because its true. Ive been there almost 9 years now and i love them all. We are like family.
It seems to be becoming less common, but another sign of bad employers if when they require someone who can "multitask" or who "thrives in a fast paced environment". These are often euphemisms for disorganized management.
That term is one of my pet peeves. I've never met a single person who could multitask effectively. The product you get from someone who is "multitasking" is about what you would expect. Someone who is not concentrating on the task at hand. Don't even get me started with "fast paced environment." You nailed it.
It may be similar to the first one but I often hear 'this is a fast paced environment' which usually seems to mean 'we are grossly understaffed so you'll be doing the work of two people'.
Im so tired of this phrase. My coworkers and I are grossly overworked whilst the owner buys 4 fuckin Starbucks drinks a day from Uber. They seriously would rather a Frappuccino over saving their employee
For me, a big red flag was seeing bags under everyone’s eyes. It meant they’re overworked and underpaid. Also if the manager tells you they have a lot of overtime available for you to take advantage of, it means they’re definitely going to force a lot of overtime on you whether you want it or not.
yes...the "overtime available email complete with a picture of stacks of currency is a daily occurance. When we complained that due to inflation we were actually making less after our 3% raise, that was the lead in to "sell more! work OT!
"We're like a family" is one of the most toxic tropes in the workplace in my opinion and it needs to stop. It sets up an expectation to devote yourself to people that don't deserve your loyalty and have no practical way to compensate it. Companies really CAN'T be like a family for the simple fact that in a family you have to accommodate everyone and you can't fire anyone! Families are way harder to manage which is why your energy needs to go to your real family.
@@RandomFandomDragon does that mean that small company won't fire anyone? Nah, let's get away from "family" how about just team? An athletic club is closer to how a healthy business operates than a family. At least there's a common goal that justified rotating people in and out. Colleagues don't have to be your friends. I think that framing sets people up to get hurt no matter what the size of the company.
I love this one. I always reply with "So decisions get handled quick? Lots of hats means quick chain of communication&action right? Like I need Christmas off this year, boom done. We all here&on the same page right?" The sputtering and excuses that start in response are like watching a balloon deflate. They either walk the walk, or I walk. I don't have time to waste if I'm wearing lots of hats. I need action now. Or it's just stress &that means I want more money.
I worked at a real estate coaching company in California. At a weekly managers meeting, the owners WIFE came in and declared “I could replace anyone of you tomorrow.” I stood up and said “why wait?” I left the company. I had reached my limit with the abuse and disrespect of the employees.
I had to go through the ' wife' in a family company who called herself "CEO" (by marraige, the company was started by the husband) There was a mix up BY THEM about what job I was interviewing for. A soon as she realized I didnt want the job they wanted me to hire for, she hung up the zoom call on me mid-sentence. So yeah, know the type
Unfortunately those bosses are the rule and not the exception... I've only ever worked for one or two companies where I can say my boss was a good person.
A couple others: "We offer a competitive salary" = We think we know what other companies pay. Maybe we'll add a couple dollars to it. We hope you don't look to much further into it. "We're a high-energy, fast-paced office" = Long hours, crushing workload. When your hair starts falling out from the stress, we have a hat with our logo you can wear.
Here companies use industry salary surveys. Basically companies are surveyed to see what they pay and then all companies can get access to the survey. It’s effectively price fixing, but doesn’t contravene any law because the companies don’t directly collude with each other.
@@ian1352 Not sure which region you're referring to, so I'll confirm that something of this kind is done in the US for job market intelligence. The good thing about the US is it is so easy to quit and move to another company. If one is not happy with one's work or pay, it's easy to improve it in the US. All it takes is getting off the couch and doing some job-shopping in almost all cases. :)
Nowadays, it's easy to find out what the local market is paying for your position, so I don't see a "competitive salary" statement to be a bad thing, necessarily. But, as with any buzzword-laden sentence, you have to press them on specifics. "What do you mean when you say that, exactly? Have you compared the salary for this roles with others in the market? Is it better than that? And why is it higher/lower than the average?"
Big red flag I got in a interview I asked what the benefit’s were and she said we don’t offer benefits I said thank you for your time and walked out. Any company that dose not offer their employees some type of benefits is just mean in my opinion that should be standard you think the company would care enough to keep their employees in good healthy shape even if they offered just half benefits it’s still something
Hahaha....that is true. Like the song says " we are family, I got all my sisters with me" instead of working they are gossiping, stubbing each other, they won't hesitate to through you under the bus at any time. I hate when they say " welcome to the family" .
Hands down the worst one: “It is a faced paced environment”. That translates to “You will be under constant, never-ending pressure and stress. You will be under equipped for the role by the company and will receive no support from the company either”.
I've had a few interviews where they say "we're looking for someone entrepreneurial and who is a self starter." - meaning they want someone willing to put in the same level of sacrifice as the owners but not earn as much.
We recently lost a coworker, he has been going to school and learning technical stuff to work his way up in our company. Worked hard, was nice to everyone around him and had been here for years getting more and more responsibility laid on him. He asked for a raise after years of improvement and lots more of a work load and was denied. He took a job closer to home that paid about 30% more than he was making with us and nobody could argue with him. He has a family and wants a better life. My manager said that "he asked for more money but if he didn't drink a monster drink every day and vape all the time he'd have another $140 every week, he could have just done that instead of getting a better job." Now almost everyone there is kind of updating their resumes.
Mr Boomer, you mean to tell me I can make...a whole 140 extra bucks?!?! 🤯 Wooooowwwwwwwww Yeah, I'll definitely take that, over a 30% pay boost, and hundreds more extra dollars per week!
lol I find it funny for I very blunt with my boss when they ask me oh how your day, I tell them the truth not that oh I am doing well shit. I told my boss I have to talk to you in private if you want to know. Most bosses have a LOW IQ or rather to say they are CONDITION/RAISE THAT WAY TO THINK/Rehabilitated, that way they use word like oh that just how the business is.
Ross distribution warehouse plant manager told me that I if I can't get faster they will replaces me with someone else because my job is always evolving so I told him that mean my pay will evolve to and he laugh and he said No. When we started thier was 5 people in my position now theirs none I was the last guy it took five of us to do the job and everything was put on me no help no extra pay just more and more pressure.
Same thing happened at the small firm I’m at. Whole company was on below market rate, but as a tech startup we kind of accepted it. Massive living cost bumps here, we had a big delay on doing our pay reviews, one of the sales guys went to the CEO to say he was struggling a bit with the rate he was on, CEO very publicly said in the open office “Maybe you should worry more about your lifestyle choices than how much you’re being paid”. 18 man company, 3 people currently working their notice period, 3-4 more actively looking for work elsewhere.
Currently working at a smaller company where “We’re like family here”, AND my supervisor says “We wear many hats here”. To top it off, our director has been starting to use the phrase “Everyone needs to understand that they’re not special, and they’re replaceable.” About to hand in my resignation letter 😂
Comments like yours make me wonder why those kinds of organizations ever started up to begin with. Robot-like individuals in supervisory positions mouthing nonsense jargon day in and day out. Who would even WANT to work for a company that doesn't perceive its own employees as special and irreplaceable? Remarks such as these have a DIRECT IMPACT on the quality of an employee's work. Addendum 8/30/2022: Not to mention the fact that if you're "like family" and "totally replaceable" in the same company, in the same breath,, you get some insight into what the owners think about their own, apparently replaceable, families.
@Koriander Yander Just providing context, not condoning the act or anything. In the business I'm in, we can't afford to "lose" someone suddenly be it them taking a day off or getting fired. More often than not, someone getting fired has been planned weeks if not months in advance. If you suddenly see someone come into work that does the exact same thing as you do, whether they're there to "help" you or whatever reason they gave you. Odds are you're being replaced or being phased out. The only company that suddenly fire someone without a backup plan is a bad one.
I have friends that I met at a place I worked 15 years ago and we still get together four or five times a year for a Poker Night. I've helped some of them to get hired where I'm working now, some have moved on, and if I need to leave I'm sure they would help me get on where they're working now. Make friends where you can, maybe they'll last longer than the business you currently work at.
wished you had told me earlier, I married a coworker. We've been together for 15 years. Oh well it was nice while it lasted . But now I gotta forget about him at the end of each day. 😉
I suspect that might be a broader cultural aspect - I'm English working in England. I'm still friends with people I worked with 30 years ago. My best friends are almost all previous co-workers. We went through hard times together and looked after each other. We suffered the same miserable, sleasy, lying, cheating, stupid, and ignorant managers and we came out on top. Friends for life.
One of the things that I really loved about the hospital that I used to work at is that people would rally around coworkers that were ill and help them out or they would give them really great birthday parties. It was a good place to trust other people. I think it depends on the company and who they tend to hire, you can get a group of individuals that make good friends and coworkers.
During an interview the recruiter starting telling me how much they loved flexibility. I told her that was great as I was currently studying for my CCNA at night school and would require that flexibility on a Tuesday night. I thought she was going to choke as she hurriedly told me that the flexibility the company loved was from the employees and the company weren't flexible what so ever. I ended the interview there and then
Smart move, that reminds me of this Walmart location I went to and during the interview the front end manager flat out says "Its not what the employee wants, it's what I want." Needless to say I ran outta there faster than one can blink. I'd never work at another Walmart again. The management is a free-for-all and a total shitshow.
"We just want to know if you are a team player." This is a huge red flag that basically means they want to throw any kind of extra work on you and expect you to shut up and play along.
Lol why is this so accurate! My last job was like that. The lazy workers didn’t complete their work and it kept getting thrown on me as I watched them waste countless hours chatting. Tried to tell my manager my workload was too much and heard you have to be team player and help when needed. Also she referred back to the job posting of multi-tasking. 🙄
Worked for a Telco in South Africa that decided to centralise its roles back to Pretoria and shut down it's regional depratments. In the consultation meeting with the staff, one of the employees raised the point that he had worked loyally for them for 25 years and now being kicked to the curb. The executive breaking the news to us just snapped back "if I wanted loyalty I would get a dog" ! After that, a painful lesson was learned, NEVER put the company's goals and ideals above your own aspirations.
@@emmareyes8114 Now over 25 years since the incident I did a follow up on this "exec" and he only lasted in that role abt. 6 months after shutting my office. According to Linkedin he has had a string of other roles, most only lasting 2 years a piece and his main selling point is his pride of "transformation" to IT teams :-)
"We are like family" is also a sign of nepotism. Actual family and close friends tend to be in higher positions and the employees get to do all the work with zero reward.
I remember working 80-100 hour weeks for almost six months trying to meet an artificial deadline on a software project. One of the 3rd party libraries I used had a bug which showed up the morning of the release date. I told the VP about it and his response was "You've just fired the whole company." I went outside and cried. Then I came back in, found a workaround and then started looking for my next job. Two weeks later, I'm leaving for a new job making 50% more with half the commute time and my boss tells me he can't understand how I could be so disloyal.
100hours a week? For six months? Dude, that's 14 to 20 (!) hours of work a day depending if you worked 7, 6 or 5 days a week. When did you eat, shit and sleep? You're either making things up or you were foolish enough to enslave yourself. I hope they paid you good money though?
"This company is like family" Well I never met my real father, haven't talked to my stepfather in 6 years, most of my uncles and aunts are drug addicts and drunks, my mom is neurotic, and only like 3 of us work and have our a shit together. Your right, just like family.....
My boss says we’re family, but treats us like we’re orphans in a Charles Dickens’ workhouse. You hit on most of what is happening where I work. I needed this confirmation. With our relatively new admin, I’ve come to hate my job. I try to be grateful everyday, but it’s getting harder, and I hate that.
Just leave it. My manager got replaced by a Malignant Narcissist from alabama, and I work in a white collar environment in Michigan (blue state). He is an HR nightmare, but the company is fighting to keep him after the obvious female and minority abuse he started to dish out to me and others. I went on disability to escape him and find another job. NEVER trust HR (they are there to ALWAYS protect the abuser). Anti-harassment HR policies are all lies, and they still try to run you off and fire you for reporting people’s sexist and bigoted behaviour - JUST LEAVE.
The “We’re looking for a rockstar” line in job postings is always cringe to me. I’m not a rockstar, I’m a professional and I want my services, years of experience and expertise to be taken seriously…
A rather flippant response that I will have to try is "But why would I want to work for a company like this if I was a rockstar? Think about that for a bit, Mr./Mrs/Ms Interviewer: why would I give up playing kick-ass headbangers and shredding solos in front of sold-out arena crowds numbering in the tens of thousands for obscene amounts of money to work for this company, which won't offer even a tenth of the pay potential. I mean, in a few years of blasting out everyone's ears, I'd have enough money to BUY this company if I was a rockstar. Tell me why in the world I'd have to be stupid enough to give up that lifestyle and pay for this line of work." I'm of the same mind as you, Michelle. I'm heading into my forties, I received a teaching license and a BFA after years of hard work in university, I've worked in high-stress and low-pay jobs for most of my adult life, and I've had it with companies telling me that I don't meet their requirements because "well, you're just not the rockstar type, which is what we really want." Screw those people, and may those companies be swallowed up by the earth.
Tell them, "Hey, I have been looking for a company that is supportive of my cocaine and Jameson's habit, while helping me line up groupies for casual, anonymous s*x! Like my spirit guide Ian Dury said, 'S*x and drugs nad rock 'n' roll are all my brain and body need'."
A green flag I recently experienced at my newest job was the CEO himself telling me, in front of my manager, that he expects me to prioritize my family first and my job fifth. The pay is reasonable, the workload is manageable, I have a calm lead who is more like a mentor in my field, and I'd probably get locked in the building if I didn't leave on time! I know the prompt was red flag stories, but sometimes it's nice to get a reminder that sometimes there are decent jobs waiting to hire the right person! It's not perfect, but in this case good is good enough. :)
omg after all this gloom and doom your comment was literally a ray of sunshine and hope to read through! Thank you so much !! I literally don't know a single person who can say what you just did which left me believing that this is the world now, there are no decent managers and all want to cut corners to make the company a buck to show off to the board or stockholders for that quarter but then, don't they realise or just observe how once you go down that route, you can almost never recover from it ? much like debt, you're always just running month to month, quarter to quarter whilst driving everyone into burn out and STILL not actually meeting your insane deadlines and ending up costing the company 5x what it could have cost to do it right the first time.... so again, thank you for your post ! your people should get a medal ! XD
“We wear a lot of hats” is code for we are chronically understaffed and overworked. I guarantee that the next term you’ll hear out of their mouths is “team environment”. If a company says to you “you’re replaceable” , don’t hesitate, REPLACE THEM!
I was told "we wear a lot of hats" in my interview. I did not pay much attention to this statement initially but now 3 months in I have realised. I am working more than 12 hours everyday.🥲
I have another red flag, and it has happened to me 11 times in interviews: "Why did you get a master's in math? This shows to me that the interviewer 1) Washed out of STEM; 2) Has "math anxiety" or dyscalculia; 3) Is intimidated in my presence; and 4) Intimidation is self degradation. I have learned that when wild animals and humans feel intimidated, they will attack. I was verbally attacked but not physically attacked during an interview. The reason that I said 11 times was that the 11th time the interviewer said, "Why did you get a master's degree in math? Why didn't you get an MBA or a masters in computer science?"
Or they just want to hear you say you didn't want to obtain domain knowledge but a foundation science, which gives you more theoretical capability than the single fields. Idk if they're clueless and your analysis is right, but ive seen it used in the way I described many times. I think it's within what are the standard questions. Note in that case you would have gone for a bitter or negative interpretation, where they wanted to go to a place where you express your respect for science and speak about what f fulfils you. That's a question that is supposed to bring a positive note and align you with them. If you reply negatively on that you should see them being super at unease at that moment. Generally "why did you do this?" Can be an invitation, an offer of attention. I know many times in our life it's not that and just someone stepping on your ideals. But if you didn't include the positive option but had 4 negative ones then you need to add nr. 5. Please do it since it is very likely that your interpretation had a very big, half of the space - hole.
I once had a delivery job where the manager spent five minutes during a morning meeting talking about how much extra money you'd make and how many calories you'd burn if you worked twenty hours of overtime every week for a month. Also, at that same job on that same day, they begged a worker who had stomach surgery two days prior to come in, promising to put him on desk work. Then once he arrived, they made him go out and deliver. Yes, it was amazon
I'm not sure which country you're in but in the UK they used real employees in a TV ad a few years back and one actually said that "we work hard and play hard" and pretty much the only positive thing they could think of was that one member of staff made cakes. It was an absolute trainwreck and I still have no idea why they decided to broadcast it
My limited experience with Amazon is the workers like you and your co-worker suck. You cry and whine on the internet, talk crap about your employer and can't ever deliver a package right. You throw the packages at my doorstep without even knocking where it can get stolen, ignoring instructions. Ya, not everyone buys its totally the company and not you guys.
I found your channel like 6 months ago. Depressed af, expecting a car crash every day when driving to work. You even gave me some words of encouragement. After some introspection and your guidance, I feel confident enough to find a new job and got a new one starting next week. Better salary, better position, better working environment. Thank you so much! And for all you guys and gals, if you’re watching this video is for a reason. There is light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s not always a train!
I'm like this right now. Every day when I'm driving to work I'm wishing for a car accident. I'm late always because I just can't seem to get out of bed to even get to work
@@FairyKit this was me in my previous job. Going to work, my whole body would ache. I left eventually and looking back I realize it was always a toxic environment and never good for me. I stayed because I thought I couldn't find or do better, much like an abusive relationship. Please trust yourself to find a better job and just do it. Don't waste any more time there 💗
@@Ephesians5-14 thank you! Yeah I'm going to tell them that I can't work there anymore. I'm just always tired and I always have nausea. It's like on and off and always feeling like I want to throw up. I'm at a shift right now and have two hours left. I just want to go home now 😔
@@FairyKit Don't forget that we get paid to improve our quality of life, like a roof, food, clothes, etc... Sometimes, a new job get you a boost in QoL that you won't get by working extra hours or getting paid more
I had a boss who would regularly say, “You know, this is a ‘fire at will’ state, right? Anyone can be fired at any time for any reason or no reason!” Great, boss. Thanks for the motivational speech. Also, since we worked at the corporate headquarters of a multi-state operation, we were told that we were “overhead” so we really had to deliver value or we’d be canned. They also paid “market rates” no matter how good or bad one’s performance was! And then hired consultants for hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out why performance was lackluster and turnover was so high! It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so soul-destroying. Unfortunately, I’m describing most companies.
@@black4460 your vice president ought to check herself and look around, you couldn't ask for a better time to find a better job with so many openings nation wide. She obviously doesn't understand who has the leverage right now.
my response to paying market rate - at market rate, you get market competence - meaning look up how competent an average person is, since about half the people have no idea how to do their job, me fucking up (intentionally or not) 50% of the time is amortized by the fact you pay market rate. if you want top tier performance, pay top tier salary, period.
I hate when companies pay these people a bunch of money to figure out why things are going so great. When they could pay the employees more and they be more motivated. I work at a flat rate company, and they bring in temporarys that get paid more than full timers
Yes. I had an interview with an engineering firm that preached “culture” and how to be apart of the family as the main focus of their hiring. They even told me to read a book on “team leadership” before the interview. When they asked me if I read the book during the interview I laughed and told them I’ll read it during work hours and get paid if it’s required. Lmfao. I obviously didn’t get hired. Thank goodness And they are “always hiring”. Red flag!
My employer also gave us homework to read some fluffy book on consulting even though I was buried in work. I didn't read that shit but I found a summary online lmao - once we had to go through it in a workshop no one could tell I hadn't read it 😂
One thing I learned as a young adult is don't do too much for a promotion. I was a dishwasher wanting to pursue my cooking passion and they told me if I work hard, I'll get that promotion. I did the most at my job and made myself an extremely valuable asset. Well that worked against me because they found I was better for them being where I was at so that promotion never came. Quit as soon as I got the message
In a company like that, sometimes the only way to get promoted is to leave for a promotion and then come back at the higher level. Once you leave, you usually don't want to come back.
if you want a promotion, look for opportunities to demonstrate the skills/abilities of the role you want, instead of doing your current role better. if you want to be a manager, demonstrate leadership. Find ways to improve the way the team works, mentor the newer members and help them get up to speed, ect, ect. Either you'll get promoted, or you'll develop the skills to get the promotion elsewhere. doing your current role better in hopes of a promotion signals that you could have been working harder before you heard about the opportunity, and only apply yourself when you think theres a prize around the corner. it says that once you get the promotion, you'll go back to your old level of effort. its better to pace yourself and work at a sustainable level of effort over the long term.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 Except it's not about doing your role better, it's about doing more than just your role. During that time I did dishwasher duties, prep duties, helped servers and would occasionally bus tables. I went beyond the scope of what my job entailed and made myself well rounded. In a sense you are right but partially. If I did get the cook job, I definitely would've just stayed in the scope of my job. That doesn't mean I would work less hard, it just means I would stop spreading myself out between other positions.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 that doesn't work either. I was cooking and wanted to get given the extra to train as I was by far one of the two best we had, I got forced to train staff without the promotion by shoving them out the back with me alone so I had to teach them so I was able to do my job and I trained them well with no promotion. One of the people that started 2 months after me (after I moved to that store with 9 months experience already), that I trained, ended up as a manager.....someone that started months after me ended up manager....you know why? Because they could force me into a situation where I had to train and not pay me, they could leave me out the back alone and know I could do 3 people's jobs purely because I had no choice as it was that or be screamed at and most importantly, I had a family and wouldn't work extra hours for free (they would cut you off at a certain time and ask you to do more hours) I wouldn't show up to extra shifts that I legally couldn't do because I'd already worked too many hours by law and when the owner came out yelling at the 16 year olds I'd get in between and tell him that it wasn't ok to abuse his staff.....so yeah I was basically doing the kitchen manager job organizing the whole area, looking after staff, doing almost everything alone, training everyone and because i didn't have my head up the bosses ass and let him treat kids like shit. Rarely actually has anything to do with skill it's how hard you will work for the lowest pay they can manage to get away with
@@cyanidesyn123 the key part of this is to leave. get the cheap promotion at your current place, demonstrate to yourself that you can do the job, and then use that skill and confidence to interview at a place that will respect you. internal promotions are for experience, external promotions are for money. its easier to get the good job when you can already do it. also, if you can do all that you described, you are well on your way to being able to run your own place.
Some years ago I was working in an IT role for a large Electronics company, and despite a glowing annual appraisal I was told that there was no money for raises. Si I contacted a recruitment agency and landed a better role nearer home with an 80% salary increase. When I handed in my notice, the manager said ' don't think you can blackmail us into giving you more money by threatening to resign'. So I replied ' I don't - I have accepted a much better offer and I'm off in four weeks.' I left the manager gasping like a stranded fish.
One of my favorites is, “We’re looking for someone who can think outside the box”. What they are really saying is that their company is broken and they are looking for someone to blame it on. Remember, they created “the box”. If they are looking for someone to think outside of it, they are essentially saying that the system they created doesn’t work. Rather than admitting they have lost control, they hire someone to use as a scapegoat. The new hire lasts a few months and then is let go. The management blames the new hire for screwing up the whole company and they pat each other on the back for getting rid of them. They then go back to their business as usual.
Also it's worth pointing out that people who "think outside the box" will constantly have conflicting viewpoints with people who are limited to their own boxes.
I've experienced this first hand. I was the 'problem' that was created by bad management. So I was fired via scapegoat blaming. Even though I was asked to fix the problem. The problem was management and I discovered that quick. I called them out and they in turn fired me.
The problem with "think outside the box" is that they get angry and defensive when you do, because they made the box and don't like having their work criticized.
I've been through most of these over my 35+ years in software. Only 2 companies were truly "family" and "work hard, play hard". They treated employees well and rewarded us well for working our asses off, and if you needed time to recoup you got it. These were successful companies, and that was the problem itself. When push came to shove they sold themselves to bigger competitors, and the new companies shit all over everyone. I did get some payoff on both merger/acquisitions. But the new owners really turned the heat up and expected us to take shit and just live with it. The turnover got bad, people left in waves. When I left I was asked why I was leaving and I told them that the place had changed, wasn't what I joined for and needed to do something else. I got the "we really need you" and "we've been loyal to you" guilt trips. I just left it alone, but wanted to tell them they treated me and a lot of other people like cogs in the machine and treated us like shit. I learned that loyalty is to yourself and your family (your real family) first and foremost. Take as much as you can get (money & benefits) and do just enough to keep things on an even keel. Because the second you give more, they will take more, and keep expecting more without giving anything back. It's not personal, just business.
I'm sorry you had that terrible experience. I would suggest a more nuanced lesson would be to adapt your working style to the quality of employer you have. From the sound of it, those two companies that were truly "family" were worth treating differently. If you're in a shitty workplace, then fair enough, maybe you need to adapt to that (though my suggestion then would be to do what you did and leave). But if you're in one of the better workplaces, the cynical "they'll keep expecting more without giving anything back" attitude will backfire and you'll miss out on some of the best opportunities for growth, imho.
I love the companies who tell you that they promote getting a secondary education and will reimburse you for obtaining your degree but then make you work ridiculous hours that won't allow you to go to classes.
That happened to me! They did book it in the end but then i had no time at work to complete it and had to use holiday for two years to cover the time to do assignments
“If your not happy quit, I can hire someone else” than management turns around and says “your an integral part of company and our business cannot afford to lose you”.
I remember one genius from HR said "you're all replaceable" (something one definitely should not say) AND "other people would love to have a job like yours. People are lining up for those positions" (again, things you do not say) during a company meeting. A handful of people walked out right after she said that, and never came back. Besides them, a few others left during that week; no two weeks notice, either. The HR person screamed at the people who left during the meeting about giving notices, and a reply came back as "if we are so replaceable, then you do not need us to give one" How the HR rep had a job past that month, I will never know, as I left there years ago.
FYI - To those who have not dealt with HR directly, take note that they are there to Protect the company at ALL Cost. They will do all they can, short of physically slapping you in the face, to either make your complaint go away or have you quit so they don't have to pay you unemployment. They are in NO WAY there to help you. Unless you have a CLEAR VIVID Video with 3 witnesses where say your boss is physically abusing you, they will Not help you in any way. Don't ask me how I know this, just be wise and do NOT trust HR. At best your situation will remain the same, at worse you will loose your job (NO unemployment income as well) and any benefits and pension that you once HAD. It is difficult to work in an abusive and exploiting environment, but tread lightly when thinking of contacting HR for help. Very few circumstances will warrant contacting HR. In most cases, you either have to just continue supporting the toxic environment till you can find another job to fall back on when you quit. Build your skills and resume is key at all times. Grow your knowledge and ask questions to other others, in and out of your department to improve your value. The more you know the more likely you can be hired somewhere else and possibly be paid more. NEVER feel you are Responsible for a company because they will forget you existed 1 hour after they receive confirmation from FTD Flowers that the bouquet of flowers they sent arrived to your funeral-viewing.
My husband once worked for a company that was always hiring. They claimed to be selective about who they hired, but in retrospect, it was because of turnover. The benefits were the best I'd ever seen (ahem, golden handcuffs), but the work had nearly impossible deadlines, a lot of travel, and the company would leave employees hanging when they needed support. Eventually my husband was scapegoated for the failure of a project and we're both much happier without them.
The best job I had at the interview they said life was a priority. "Your family comes first, you come second and your job is a distant 3rd" and I had worked so many places where we were expected to work 50-60 hours a week and not given permission to use our PTO when we wanted it. So hearing our family was a priority and job was a distant 3rd was a huge relief. As a result, I worked hard for my company because I knew they prioritized me over their profit.
To be fair there are very few jobs that would drive someone crazy... It's ALWAYS the people, usually the ones you're forced to work with or under that actively keep throwing logs under your feet on a daily basis. Problems that could be solved if your co-workers or superiors exhibited the bare minimum of competency at their job position and if everyone was held to the same standard. I've once had wise manager who said that if everyone done their jobs, there would be collectively less work to be had.
@@Micromation @Micromation ugh I hear that. I happen to be working in that group of jobs tho lol. My coworkers are great at their jobs and incredibly talented. We don't need to breathe- we need practical resources to compensate for the craziness we have to deal with on the daily so we don't end up burned out & with declining mental health.
Retired teacher here. I worked for a toxic principal who loved to say the school was our family. Almost half of the teaching staff quit, transferred, or retired within 3 years. Of course, our test scores fell... dramatically. She finally was 'unable to get her contract renewed'. Her leaving was my best day of the last few years. 😂
I grew up in a pretty toxic and dysfunctional family. When a potential employer tells me they are like a family it doesn't evoke the same types of emotions for me that they thought of hoped it would.
I have one more that is red flag for me: "We have a young team." For me this one always means that the company is unable to motivate seniors to stay, there is a big team fluctuation and that they likely hire a cheap student that highly qualified professional.
' We wear a lot of hats...' This one is a huge sign that the department is DISORGANIZED and lacking structure. I'm currently at a corporation and I can attest to everything you mentioned.
Yeah to me it means, "we take on work at a speed and level that we cant possibly do anything well or without overtime and huge stress." The job description should just be honest and say, "we cant predict what you'll be doing, we cant prepare you. Frequently we'll just drive you out at night on a boat into deep water and dump you there. You won't know the distance or direction but *if* you're able to swim home we'll give you our criticism for how long it took and then take you out and dump you again. Probably farther this time, after all..you made it back once!"
@@libertyprime2013 yeah but it's usually a sign of being understaffed regardless of the reason. It's generally is a red flag, and makes it into job descriptions of managers who are oblivious to the struggle. If applying to a place that says this, it would be important to ask about its meaning and gauge the responses carefully.
@@WorldStage_Decoder Depends; like if a company is growing quickly because they are gaining market terrain (because of quality they deliver for example) and they don't want their current employees to overwork; they need to hire more new employees. And that would be the right choice too, so it's not always true
I worked at a company that my team told management that the workload is too high and the next meeting one of them had made a spreadsheet (missing many steps) which said that we should have 6 spare hours a week. Considering we were all doing unpaid overtime to complete the work, it was massively insulting.
I was once asked during an interview if I had "thick skin". I thought it was a strange question but I accepted the job anyway. I worked for this IT company for 10 months and for the first month or so they were relatively nice to me. After the first month, however, they became increasingly abusive to me. I discovered that the reason why was being hired is that a long-time employee was quitting - mostly because of the abuse. After 6 months of working at this company, the abuse was really starting to impact me. At that point, it was clear to me I couldn't work there anymore. Too bad because on many levels, I liked what I did there and the abuse just wasn't necessary to get the job done.
Abuse is never necessary to get any job done. There are laws against such practices and such companies do not last long in the real world. True entrepreneurs know this and cultivate long lasting relationships with their employees. suppliers and customers. Most companies have to strike a balance between souring relationships with their customers, suppliers and employees. Too soft and nothing gets done too hard and fear takes over and survivalism takes over eventually destroying the company.
@@jgdooley2003 I don't know what happened to these guys after a quit - just did a quick Google search and discovered that they were "permanently closed". I'm sure Covid had a lot to do with it but they were on a downward spiral when I finally left the company. To be honest, I can see why they were harsh at times because the company was under a lot of pressure from many of its clients. However, being inflexible and failing to admit mistakes were made did not play out well for them in the long run. When I was hired on, I was meant to replace another technician who had worked for the company for 5 years and knew all the internal workings of each of the client's sites. He was well liked and trusted by the clients. It would have been in management's best interests to extract all his knowledge before letting him walk out the door but the attitude was he was an idiot and not worth the trouble. That attitude cost the company dearly and led to the eventual loss of several key clients.
It always starts at the top with management and leadership. If the person in position cannot handle the role, then that person should not be in position.
@@rayva1 It would be great if the world really worked that way, wouldn't it? Unfortunately human beings are terribly flawed and usually make decisions based on emotions rather than logic. I saw this a lot with smaller mom and pop businesses. Roles are filled based on personal relations rather than merit.
@@rayva1 Many of these organizations are family owned and managed. It doesn't matter whether or not a family member "should" be in the position. It's take or or leave it time there.
I remember once at an engineering company a senior manager told a bunch of engineers working on highly specialised products that they were replaceable. Someone lower down the ladder had to explain to him that not only would it take months to find replacements, but it would take months more for the new people to get up to speed.
@@zyeborm MY sister worked for a company for 40 years, She says that she had over 10 mangers in that time. She turned down the manager job several times telling HR " Why in Gods name would i do that to myself.......that is a sure way to get fired around here. "
I worked for a company for 27 years, during that time there were five mergers, and any sense of loyalty to the employees was gone. The first 20 years I loved the job, the next three years the fun was gone and the final four I absolutely hated it. During my last year the regional manager use the phrase "we are a family" I told him "if we are a family, it's dysfunctional and incestuous." I retired shortly thereafter.
Yes, my last employer said the "we are a family" and "we wear many hats" also "TEAMWORK is essential". I was laid off first, then re-hired 15 years later. I was doing 6 different departments alone, and being paid seven dollars per hour less than the average for the same work elsewhere. Whenever someone left, I was asked to do their job because " I'm paying you, do it". When I quit the boss threw a massive hissy fit and he said things to me that I'm pretty sure he would never say to his family. He put too many eggs in my basket .Sucks to be him.
Yup! "We are a family" = "we want you to give us the time you should be spending with your actual family." And as soon as you prioritize your actual family, you're out the door. Best thing that could have happened to me!
Speaking to the replaceable: Companies are equally replaceable. I worked for an IT outfit in Cleveland and the owner wanted to chase a certain market. I asked about company support for training and certification. He straight up said "I expect you to cover that as it directly benefits you and your career". Really this is how you're going to play it asshole? So I went and did the training and certification myself, went to his competitor for $15K more/year. Walked into his office and let him know I took his advice from 6 months ago and wanted to thank him. We was initially confused and then I reminded him of what he said and let him know I fired him.
Love this list! In my last job search I wound up with several interviews, and I heard all of these things over and over again. The company that finally stood out said a couple things differently: "Your weekends are yours." "We don't want people getting burned out." "We're probably going to wait a year before hiring anyone else." "We can train technical skills, we need someone with an eye for detail." They are the best company I've ever worked for. These terrible "we are a family" tropes need to stop. This is a job, not your family, and a great company recognizes that!
I once worked for a consulting company with dozens of managers who operated on intimidation and disrespect with their employees, especially the junior ones who were easily intimidated. One day my manager was openly chastising an employee at the client site in front of everyone in the help desk area near my desk. I stood up and walked around to their pod and confronted him about behaving so shamelessly in front of everyone (I was still fairly new to the company). I told him that I disagree with that kind of behavior and treatment of people and he retreated. Not too long after I had been there about 90 days he called me into a conference room and began to tell me how he didn't think I was operating at the level they hired me for. I proceeded to tell him that he didn't have the requisite knowledge and qualifications to judge my work and that I knew exactly what I was doing. He cut the meeting short and we never met like that again. Another time, after I had worked a long day (about 10 hours) I was driving home with music playing in my car to unwind from a long hard day. He called me on my phone and asked me why I didn't send an email regarding some thing he felt was important. I got frustrated and told him that I was very busy that day and that if it was so important why didn't he send it himself and that I wasn't his secretary. He got me so miffed that I called HIS boss and told him what happened and to get this guy off my back or I would find somewhere else to work. The next day my manager didn't even show to the office and from then on he never bothered me in a negative way again. So please, if you have the courage and enough clout to do so, stand up to these bullies of the workplace. They only succeed in making the workplace a despised and dysfunctional environment. Mutual respect can go a long way in making the workplace tolerable. As much as you can, be cheerful and respectful but show your disdain for bad behavior. People with bad behavior will eventually get the message. I do also want to say that I wasn't always badgering him about his bad behavior, he eventually became a more positive manager and we developed a fair working professional relationship.
@@JonathanVachon777 "So I was minding my own business, doing my job, dressing down this guy in public, and one of the other peons came over and told me not to publicly humiliate people like that :( "
Eventually you get too old for that shit. I was in a Junior role at 36 and had bad managers. Whenever they gave me the hairdryer treatment I didn't back down, eventually they left me alone and two of the three were removed from post last year. No one, especially not an adult, deserves to be spoken to in a derogatory way, no pay is worth that.
I have another one for you. “This is a salaried position”. This being said in the context that you are expected to work long hours. Yes, it may be a salaried position however; that does not mean I want to work 80 hours a week for you! I have worked for a company in which I couldn’t make dinner plans with my family because something could come up at the drop of a hat and I was expected to work way beyond the the normal workday.
Today, after being in my job position for 5 1/2 years, I just had a corporate auditor tell me, "You are a salaried employee. If you're not working more than 50 hours, you're not pushing your weight." The "incentive" of a salaried employee is to get as much work done as little time as possible, not to burden an employee with so much work that they are forced to work overtime!
@@ThatFanBoyGuy I know working a salaried position it is not uncommon to work over 40 hours. Some companies see this as a way yo set metrics so high you must work 60+ hours. They basically just don’t want to pay overtime. I just want a work life balance.
@@saramoran3961 The managers/bosses use the no OT pay rule to take complete advantage of you. They become "yes" men to whatever the client wants, and impose deadlines that you can't even meet when you work 70 hour weeks. And then they lay you off the second that business slows down.
Except for law Enforcement or medical, i could not have a job like this. my job, i work 9-5pm and then find out at 4pm the 5 o'clock person called out? I'm not going to stay. friends of mine had security jobs where after working 11-7am or 3-11pm their relief calls out and their forced to work a double. fuck that I'm out
I once read a job posting that basically said, “We’re not a family, we’re a team. You can show up drunk to Thanksgiving and yell at Aunt Margret and generally your family will still keep you around. If you show up drunk to work and yell at someone, we’re gonna have a problem.” And I appreciated that kind of an attitude in a job posting. Unfortunately I was terribly under qualified, but it seemed like a great company to work for
“We are a team” or “Teamwork makes the dream work” is a mantra that companys rely on to make you do more work. It makes your boss happy that you are doing his responsibilities because you are a team player while he gets paid more.
In my experience, the “family” atmosphere often turns into people playing out their traumas at work. I’m not actually your relative and you can’t talk to me like I am!
I've had to clean house at my company that I took over from my father, since he was continuing losing money and running it into the ground. I was previously a corporate attorney with tons of experience on how to effectively run a business to be both profitable and professional and treating employees fairly. Dad had run it as "family" business. Oh my the mess I found when i took over. It was like personal drama central and half of their day was spent on that rather than work. And i lost count of who was screwing who or had in the past and now involved in drama when it was over or someone got knocked up. COMPLETE mess. Had no idea at first what i was stepping into. Took me a good year, but i finally got it mostly cleaned up and most of the existing staff had to go. You couldn't run a successful business with all that going on.
Oh my god, about half of these apply to the Air Force: "Work hard, play hard", "we're like a family", "we wear lots of hats", "you're replaceable". I'm so glad that I can retire in 21 months!
I went to a job interview and got there early and stood outside. I started asking every employee walking in if this was a good place to work for? Everyone walking in said basically: "do yourself a favor and get a job somewhere else"
During an interview they claimed that on rare occassion I'd need to do split-work on a different floor (go back and forth, using the stairs). I stayed behind after the interview and talked to some employees in the hall and break room, asking "How often do you get assigned split-work on the second floor?" and they all said "Pretty much every day." Game over.
I've heard the "we're always hiring" one myself when going around asking if their place is hiring, and I honestly don't know why anyone would think it's a positive comment unless its a brand new place that needs lots of people. When I'm told "we're always hiring" what I really hear is "everyone quits within a few months", and that doesn't happen at places people like to work at.
Worked 10 years for an insurance company at 100% Commission. Their management style was “What have you done for me lately?” Our yearly “party” was held in one of the building’s conference rooms, catered by their food service. At the end of the meeting you saw the bus ready to take those who met a specific metric leave to attend the actual party.
Ive worked at a food service establishment for a very nice couple who refered to us as a family but more importantly they valued us like a family giving monthly bonuses and holding large holiday parties for the staff. Very nice people.
@@foxymetroid I don’t believe the prestige and benefits of many salaries jobs live up to their status anymore, and wages/payg gives workers more leverage.
I can confirm all of these things. Work hard/play hard means "you work hard" We are family means "if you are inside, you win. Otherwise, you are a drone" We will promote you later is always, ALWAYS bs. I have fallen for that a few times. Never again.
Exactly, "with promotion will come a pay rise". Never happened. There were always excuses like: "no position available", "you aren't star employee", "we had to promote person who worked here longer".
As someone who is very close to her family, that "we are a family thing" drives me nuts - and it is very prevalent in the nonprofit field. My response has been "I like working here, and my coworkers are great, but my family would give me a kidney if I needed one and somewhere to sleep if I were homeless. Oh, and they would never fire me. Unless you can give me that, you are not my family."
What *_I_* hear when someone says this place is like family is "we expect you to treat us like family and keep any legal employment matters off books, but we will still maintain the right to terminate you at any time for any reason, including the purpose of cutting costs or increasing shareholder dividends."
I was told during a so called promotion that "we want to take care of you" while adding an insultingly tiny raise, and a few tiny perks, to compensate me for taking over an additional entire full time position while keeping all my previous responsibilities. ...Wow, thanks a lot!
that is how I left my previous job. They offered me a promotion as I outgrew my then current position. I was going to be salary vs previous hourly. And when they said how much, I choked on air as could not believe they had the audacity to say it seriously. I was supposed to work more hours (was already doing good overtime), take on more job and they would CUT my paycheck by exactly A THIRD!
@@annapatton4544 It's definitely weird out there wherever people are involved, which as far as I can tell is everywhere unfortunately! Hope your new job is more fulfilling!
This is so spot on. The “always hiring” one especially is a dead giveaway that it’s an utterly toxic environment - either they fire people for little or no reason, and/or it’s so miserable that they can’t keep people from constantly quitting.
When a manager acts like they're the business owner, you will have issues. Managers will talk about "the company's best interest," until you catch them slacking off. I really think there should be mandatory, standard training required before becoming a manager. A lot of issues literally can traced back to one individual, who can get away with being abusive for long periods of time.
I completely support it. But most companies are not interested in training and raising employees as well as managers. They grind them to the ground and move on to the new meat.
Amen to that! I've been in situations where the "face" of an organisation is a pleasure then only to discover the one or ones you'll actually be dealing with everyday you've never met before and can be arrogant a-holes.
@ RJB tell me about it... i heard it also going together with another very obnoxious sentence " we only leave the office when all the job is done".... i put up with this comment a few times until i went to an interview and when I saw the interviewer´s face I instantly decided I didn´t want to work there (smoking in the office too despite it being illegal.... i left the interview stinking like hell) so when he said the "we leave when all the job is done" i couldn´t resist and I jokingly replied " Mr. X, if all the job was done in one day your company would be out of business, I would say is sensible to leave some bits for the next day, don´t you think??" and I followed that with an honest laughter (provoked by the outraged face of the interviewer), not only was I cocky and asked for double the money and told them extra time was not "my thing" (as I said i knew I didn´t want the job) but I thank them for their time and told them I was meant to be somewhere else so we would talk some other time, and left.... I got a call offering me the job the next day which I didn´t take under some lame excuse. I have no doubt they would have made me pay for my "daring comments" and would have taken me on a trip to hell on a daily basis.... so glad I didn´t take the job, made me feel so good to tell him out too 😅
It's used often in non-profit and state service too. They know that more altruistic and often less competitive employees are hoping for a more familial work atmosphere. But like anywhere, it's just a red flag for "unprofessional place to work".
Sir, great video. I've been blissfully retired for 20yrs But have many young friends who seek my experienced input in thier day to day work issues. Corp America is now an open air insane asylum of unchecked power. Everything you expressed in this no Bs video I've shared with them in my own words. You really nailed this issue down well, superbly. Yours is solid quality advice without sensationalism. The plain TRUTH is easy to hear & process. Ty sincerely for your work. It's a rare gem.☉
"Early is on time, on time is late and late is unacceptable" is the one I can't stand the most. It sounds catchy, but is mostly corporate's way of saying we don't want to pay you for everything you do.
I was once a door-to-door fundraiser for a "progressive" political group and every work day they'd go out to a bar or something after work. They would act like it was a social team-building thing but really it was a big middle finger to all the fundraisers because the only ones that were being paid well enough to go and order anything other than water was the managers and above. I've never worked so hard for so little.
My first or second day of training my trainer told us that there was a lot of negative people in the company and to ignore them. That was the absolute biggest red flag I've ever seen.
Sooo…… exactly how did they GET so negative? LOL. I’m 64 and it took me too long to realize this all important fact. When in an interview I’m not there to grovel for a job. I’m there to interview THEM to see if the reward will be equal to the sacrifices required. I’m also ascertaining if I will like who is already there. If no on any question I thank them and end the process. I was on two different interviews where they acted annoyed that I was asking THEM questions. One was what I could see was a revolving door company. The recruiter when realizing I might be too perceptive just shoved an application across the table. I guess she could tell by my less than enthusiastic demeanor I was losing interest at an alarming rate. I told her I hadn’t decided yet if I even WANTED the job yet and watched the angry micro expression in her eyes. She quickly recovered and resumed the used car salesman smile but the gig was up. I really enjoyed sliding the application back her way! As others here have said. You work for YOU LLC.
That's a parade float of red flags, shooting fountains of red sparkles, with trailing clowns throwing red streamers and dancing girls in red sequined bras waving big fans of red feathers.
I worked at a "family" company. I hope to never make that mistake again. I've also noticed if usually a job ad says "we're growing", that's a cover up for "someone just quit". I know this because that's what they put in the ad for my job when I left.
A previous employer told me that they’re letting me go due to the role being eliminated. The kicker was they wanted me to say I chose to move on to better opportunities-potentially to avoid paying out unemployment. However, the role got refilled shortly later by a male candidate. I was young and the only woman in the startup. After being laid off, I applied for and received unemployment. I also suffered from severe depression from that experience.
What’s really awesome is people at this point in time can move easily, refuse job offers with others coming right behind, and be picky. When I graduated from university in 1982 you took what you could get. 1 thru 5 all applied. I hope this generation doesn’t have to experience that but I fear everything old will soon be new again.
I don't think you have a realistic view of the world. Gruaduation from uni in 1982 is like the literal heaven. Nobody in the next 2 decades would blame you if you searched for a job for a few years. And we on the other hand get 0 benefits from back then. You know, Steve, I was born in 1990. And back then the world was actually still different. Smaller. Less people. Trust me, they told me I would be a famous person. How dumb they were. :) It's never going to be the same world again. Only much, much *,much* worse. Had I gruaduated from Uni in 1982, well. :)
The " We'll promote you later " one hits home. I was promised 90 days...on day 91, I started looking for new employment and I accepted a offer on day 180 and I gave 2 weeks notice. Suddenly, the company want to fast track promotion but I declined, I was done.
Promote you later is fine, in fact it can be a good thing. Just make sure its down in a contract set up as something that will either happen automatically at certain date or automatically when certain condition is reached. Then its really good - its great to know how your salary will progress and that they have to increase it.
Right! You going to get the baby at 12 am and help with dropping the car for repairs? How Bout give sonny a ride to soccer and show up to help on moving day?
The owner of a company I worked for once wanted to see my team's process. He grabbed our manager and looked at what we were doing. He was a little dissapointed because I guess our manager has been telling him something different how things are done. So our embarrassed manager looked at me and my colleague and said "why havent ya been doing like I asked!". Both of us confused, we said sorry. After they left we looked at each other and said " wtf, when did he tell us to do it that way?". Our manager wanted to save face so bad and in turn just belittled us in front of ownership. It was pathetic.
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"We need someone who can hit the ground running" means we expect miracle results with no training.
This is common is the software development field. And yes these companies expect miracles.
So true.
True. Yet they hire person with completely different expertise so they can negotiate lower pay.
I was pulled aside and basically had my employment threatened with the line
"We usually prefer to hire people who already know how to meet expectations without the training you require so I really hope this works out for you."
@@julietten5614 that's exactly what my first boss did to me. Hire someone right out of school so he can underpay me, then expect me to almost immediately get the results of someone with 2-3 years experience.
I grew up in a pretty toxic and dysfunctional family. When a potential employer tells me they are like a family it doesn't evoke the same types of emotions for me that they thought or hoped it would.
Same here man! 😆
Nothing like "Family" to harden you for real Life
I always laugh at things like this. Like. Sure, man. Lemme just call you at 3 am, like any normal family member, and ask for the day off. I don't think you're going to appreciate it.
But you get what he’s talking about though?
@@JuanThaSilva yeah but work and personal life shouldn't overlap. Those should be firm boundaries. Otherwise there's no work life balance.
Same here! Lol. I would be thinking “so my boss will be a malignant narcissist with borderline personality disorder?!” 😂🤣
Fast paced environment usually translates as: "We will overwork you and overstress you and when you burn out we will blame you for not being up to the task and will spit you out and yell "Next!"
Thank you for translating what these complete assholes say.
Fisher Investments Handbook.
I had an interview recently in which the words "fast paced environment" were in the job announcement. I applied anyway and when I was in he interview a couple of the people interviewing me said they had worked until 9pm the night before. At that point, I started wondering if I wanted that job after all. They haven't called me so I guess I got rejected, which is OK.
And this is why you should never, ever, work in a customer service call center. Trust me. Sometimes the calls are slow, 90%+ of the time, they aren't and you will be doing mandatory OT
@Atheist Biologist
I feel you, did it once, never again. Unless the work is fulfilling or I'm getting paid 6+ figures, it's not happening. You don't pay me enough to wreck my body.
" We spend more time together than we do with our own families " is a huge red flag.
@@matthewharrison5323 I said to a coworker before because I got hired at a place where when I was new and was told I can talk to them, I would call our executive assistant she would ignore my calls and then immediately call the office manager in the next room, she was put on speaker, so that I could hear her say “I’m not speaking to her she’s not family”.
Didn’t know it was a bad thing to say. I mean I’d never say that as a means to call any job a family to sound like a great team when it’s dysfunctional. Lmao
I worked for a guy that ALWAYS used the phrase 'we want people that think outside of the box'. So when I quit, I told them that I was gonna go think outside the box 😂
🤣
Lol. And then when you do share ideas outside of the box you're attacked and seen as a threat for not conforming to their cult.
@@anitaknight3915 or worse deemed “difficult” at which point they begin to plot a way to get rid of you
😂 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
@@murraysaucedo897 exactly you're then ostracized as "difficult" and a "disgruntled employee" which is all a part of the gaslighting manipulative tactics.
“We’re like family. That’s why we want you to work weekends and public holidays, because that’s when families should be together.”
Very underrated comment.
😂😂😂👍
Well, to paraphrase the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition 111: "Treat your employees likie family... exploit them".
Also rule 110: "Exploitation begins at home."
That’s because they’ll work you for long hours a day keeping you from your real family
My last job pretty much did all this bs. Had to beg for a raise and then they cut my hours and oh yeah you had to work holidays even if you were scheduled off 🙃
Also remember, your "work friends" are not "real friends." Be kind, be cordial, but don't get sucked into the drama and gossip of work, it will ALWAYS backfire.
That must mean that you're not a real friend either.
And of course, never tell them anything private, as that will come back to haunt you one hundred percent of the time.
@@azores15 I've been asked about my religion, just that they had something to talk in front of me they thought would make me mad - I have never met such gross people before. Ugly from inside out, no manners, no education. Not a single decent person in sight.
One of my best friends, who’s one of the other founding members of the band I’m a part of, I met at my first job. We worked together for almost three years
Such a wise and astute comment John…there is a distinct difference to me, and while I enjoy the folks I work with, I’ve done well to maintain them at an arm’s length at all time. JC
Also beware of a company bragging about being "family owned," where daddy-owner has anointed his adult children with management positions. No matter how incompetent they are, they cannot be fired. You, however, are quite expendable.
Hell yeah.
Last job I had was family owned. The owner's sister had previously been removed from their position by a manager who actually knew what he was doing, but when the owner found out, that manager was removed and the sister was brought back.
Eventually, my boss decided to take advantage of me and got away with not paying me for a month of work. And when I started demanding payment, I was laid off.
@@BETRvids Never work for families.
Facts I hear this all the time where I work, and I keep telling them my family is at home not here
been there done that with a christian owned company
Always remember, The want you to be scared to lose your job, but they are infinitely more worried about looking for a suitable replacement, then training them, then waiting for them to get to YOUR working level.
A company losing an employee can cost a lot of money, just from the paperwork to fill out for new applicants alone. Don't let them scare you, ever. You are selling your time for their profit, they're not doing you a favor.
Selling your time for their profit. I like this.
Or replace a high paying employee with an new hire with entry level pay
I had a manager say this to me point blank. They kept me around because it would cost too much to train a replacement who knew as much as I did (and was willing to take the pay that I did).
I truly hope you are not going "Above and beyond" for such disrespect to your face. Take more than you give there mate, and i hope something comes along even better for you asap. @@littlekingtrashmouth9219
LEVERAGE.
I once had a coworker tell me “if a company tells you we are like family they will destroy you psychologically”. Wow were they right…
Yup.
AMEN! I was looking for this exact comment before posting it myself. Had experienced it twice by now. This time, I'll take that note and will actively look for companies who do NOT tell me that during the interview.
Can relate
The exploitation begins at home.
Indeed
I worked for a company who said they encouraged independent thinkers and welcomed new ideas. Yet whenever you made suggestions or challenged the way things were done you got told "Well that's how we've always done it!" And then you were seen as negative and disruptive.
I try to keep my mouth shut now. Even if they like my idea. They have someone else implement it. And after that person half asses it they blame me for the "bad" idea.
Because they were lying sociopaths
And then companies complain on why employees are not innovative, just "do the least possible", "act like robots", and many others not so flattering bs comments.
Been there!
Yup! If they EVER say they want a "change agent" or "fresh ideas"...they are always, always lying.
What my bosses know about me:
I work hard
I take my work very seriously
I won't tolerate being yelled at
If I dont get properly compensated, I WILL leave.
If I get denied raises, I WILL leave.
I am not at work to make friends so expecting anything off hours without pay is a no-go
My family and my health come before work. People are useless when they're sick or extremely stressed
If you lie to me its over. There is no making it up to me. Break the trust, break the employment agreement.
This would be my terms of future job....😂...
Based. We need employees to be allowed to contribute to their own employment contracts with terms like these. Half of companies would go broke due to labor shortages.
I just break the employment agreement and I have no regrets
Dear NotSure 1350: I'll have what you're having -- and work for the same company -- if you can locate that for me.
Yessir/ma'am! Going to screenshot and read this daily as I search for a new job! Thank you 🙏
By the way, the family stuff makes me want to puke. Can we please grow up FINALLY and realize we're both parties in a legal contractual relationship? Grown-up business partners? I sell you an hour of my skilled labor for x amount of dinero, THAT'S IT! I don't need your company parties, team buildings, I just want to deliver top quality excellent work as I do and be paid a good price for it, thank you very much. Graduated kindergarten ages ago.. This whole HR BS makes me see red every single time. Like why do we have to do this to ourselves ? 🤯
Anyway thank you for reading my rant and for your clear cut message, by which I'll henceforth live! 💪
You could have made your own list rather than spying on the company I work for.
Undervalued comment 😂
LOL!!!
Described my last job to a T
HA HA HA HA!
Y'all got foosball, too?
NEVER have loyalty to a company. You can be assured they will have none for you.
Agreed. Loyalty is an emotional currency. Emotional currency can only be invested in people. Companies are legal entities….
Remember... you work for "enter your name here) INC. not the company you work for.
Not always true. My previous employer quietly paid for employees college degrees, their kids college degrees, and vacation travel expenses for some employees. He also paid the 6 months salary when the warehouse manager was hospitalized, even though he was in bed recovering from a major surgery. Very good employee retention at that company. If you were new, or a floor sweep you didn’t get this special treatment, but it’s still nothing the owner HAD to do!
So true. I work for a law firm, I work with countless of people who dedicate 20+ years to a company and are fired for the most trivial thing.
You’re less than a number for these greedy companies. Look out for yourself; they certainly won’t. Regardless of whatever story they want to tell you.
Loyalty means u skipped out on raises where you can start elsewhere and get paid more
There was a company I once worked for that surveyed the employees, asking them if they 'love' working there.
My response was: If you were in a relationship where your 'friend' could dump you at a moments notice but if you wanted to break-up you had to give him 2 weeks notice, how much emotion would *you* invest into the relationship?
You don't have to give 2 weeks, that's some bullshit peddled by them to gain an advantage. If you don't want to work there again, and don't want references (I assure you, you don't want references from toxic employers), they don't need notice.
If you're leaving a good employer for greener pastures, for sure give notice so they can fill your role. But, if you're emancipating yourself from a pos employer, they can go screw.
Actually the 2 wks notice is only a courtesy.. at will, goes both ways. My boss yelled at me in a nasty way in front of other people in a meeting , I got up said, well I m leaving and walked out
@@sudoku5982 bravo!
Yes, I have had those surveys too, and they would present them as being anonymous. I never believed they were anonymous as I think they tracked them somehow. Anyway, I always answered them in the most positive way possible. Because they do not really want you opinion on working conditions and the company, what they really want is to identify dissents.
What's this two week's notice you speak of?
I worked for a company that said "work hard, play hard". Turns out that it's work hard only.
My previous employer used exactly the same phrase "we are like a family". It ended up being a fully disfunctional family with a lot of drama, fights, gossips and absantee boss.
Just like the real family with an abusive parent and a father who gone missing since day 1
🧐🤔🤫🙄🙄😶😶......
Run for the door.
Yep
YEP
We say this at my company...well i hear us employees say it. Because its true. Ive been there almost 9 years now and i love them all. We are like family.
It seems to be becoming less common, but another sign of bad employers if when they require someone who can "multitask" or who "thrives in a fast paced environment". These are often euphemisms for disorganized management.
Or it means they are understaffed, and expect you to work two jobs for one pay
That term is one of my pet peeves. I've never met a single person who could multitask effectively. The product you get from someone who is "multitasking" is about what you would expect. Someone who is not concentrating on the task at hand. Don't even get me started with "fast paced environment." You nailed it.
Ha! I remember those catch phrases that were so popular and used about 20 years ago. Now it just makes them seem outdated, taboot.
Multi-tasking is a myth, imho
I think "multitask" is another version of "wearing many hats".
It may be similar to the first one but I often hear 'this is a fast paced environment' which usually seems to mean 'we are grossly understaffed so you'll be doing the work of two people'.
Now it's 3 if not 4
Im so tired of this phrase. My coworkers and I are grossly overworked whilst the owner buys 4 fuckin Starbucks drinks a day from Uber. They seriously would rather a Frappuccino over saving their employee
Sometimes three, and you’ll only be paid for one, and no promotions either 😩
Nowadays if you're only doing the work of two people you've got it pretty good. 🤓🍻
I am sick and tired of the phase” a dynamic work environment “, that usually means doing things in a hurry and understaffed.
For me, a big red flag was seeing bags under everyone’s eyes. It meant they’re overworked and underpaid. Also if the manager tells you they have a lot of overtime available for you to take advantage of, it means they’re definitely going to force a lot of overtime on you whether you want it or not.
yes...the "overtime available email complete with a picture of stacks of currency is a daily occurance. When we complained that due to inflation we were actually making less after our 3% raise, that was the lead in to "sell more! work OT!
@@jjc4577: They should provide time and a half and double time after nine hours.
"We're like a family" is one of the most toxic tropes in the workplace in my opinion and it needs to stop. It sets up an expectation to devote yourself to people that don't deserve your loyalty and have no practical way to compensate it. Companies really CAN'T be like a family for the simple fact that in a family you have to accommodate everyone and you can't fire anyone! Families are way harder to manage which is why your energy needs to go to your real family.
"We're like a family."
Which family? The Sopranos?
I thought, it was because families are inherently dysfunctional?
"we are family" is code for we expect you to sacrifice your time & energy for us without being compensated and appreciated.
I think if it is a small company, family can be a good and fair description. Corporations, it's laughable.
@@RandomFandomDragon does that mean that small company won't fire anyone? Nah, let's get away from "family" how about just team? An athletic club is closer to how a healthy business operates than a family. At least there's a common goal that justified rotating people in and out. Colleagues don't have to be your friends. I think that framing sets people up to get hurt no matter what the size of the company.
"You're gonna be wearing multiple hats."
"So you're also gonna pay me multiple salaries, then?"
Oh, like multiple part time jobs, two hours per hat?
yeah that is a major res flag because they will be expecting handling multiple roles often at the same job.
I dont like hats, i like bananas
Or “....we believe in our folks being Cross trained.”
Awesome are we cross compensated for that?!?
I love this one. I always reply with
"So decisions get handled quick? Lots of hats means quick chain of communication&action right? Like I need Christmas off this year, boom done. We all here&on the same page right?"
The sputtering and excuses that start in response are like watching a balloon deflate. They either walk the walk, or I walk. I don't have time to waste if I'm wearing lots of hats. I need action now. Or it's just stress &that means I want more money.
I worked at a real estate coaching company in California. At a weekly managers meeting, the owners WIFE came in and declared “I could replace anyone of you tomorrow.” I stood up and said “why wait?” I left the company. I had reached my limit with the abuse and disrespect of the employees.
brilliant
👏🏽 ❤
I had to go through the ' wife' in a family company who called herself "CEO" (by marraige, the company was started by the husband) There was a mix up BY THEM about what job I was interviewing for. A soon as she realized I didnt want the job they wanted me to hire for, she hung up the zoom call on me mid-sentence. So yeah, know the type
Unfortunately those bosses are the rule and not the exception... I've only ever worked for one or two companies where I can say my boss was a good person.
@@BillClinton228 ditto, and I've worked a lot of places over 40 years
After over 40 years in corporate America, all I can say is "NAILED IT!"
Believe me, friend, it's like that everywhere, not just in USA.
I am portuguese and also lived and worked in the UK, it's all the same.
Dear Michael Hill 7878: What can you add to this thread with your 40 years? Did you stay in one spot -- or did you run around?
A couple others:
"We offer a competitive salary" = We think we know what other companies pay. Maybe we'll add a couple dollars to it. We hope you don't look to much further into it.
"We're a high-energy, fast-paced office" = Long hours, crushing workload. When your hair starts falling out from the stress, we have a hat with our logo you can wear.
Oh that hat's nice
Here companies use industry salary surveys. Basically companies are surveyed to see what they pay and then all companies can get access to the survey. It’s effectively price fixing, but doesn’t contravene any law because the companies don’t directly collude with each other.
@@ian1352 Not sure which region you're referring to, so I'll confirm that something of this kind is done in the US for job market intelligence. The good thing about the US is it is so easy to quit and move to another company. If one is not happy with one's work or pay, it's easy to improve it in the US. All it takes is getting off the couch and doing some job-shopping in almost all cases. :)
Nowadays, it's easy to find out what the local market is paying for your position, so I don't see a "competitive salary" statement to be a bad thing, necessarily. But, as with any buzzword-laden sentence, you have to press them on specifics. "What do you mean when you say that, exactly? Have you compared the salary for this roles with others in the market? Is it better than that? And why is it higher/lower than the average?"
Big red flag I got in a interview I asked what the benefit’s were and she said we don’t offer benefits I said thank you for your time and walked out. Any company that dose not offer their employees some type of benefits is just mean in my opinion that should be standard you think the company would care enough to keep their employees in good healthy shape even if they offered just half benefits it’s still something
"We're like a family... Like a crime family, where if you're not loyal, we'll throw you out of a window"
haha and all the money goes in to the 'Dons' pocket
Hahaha....that is true. Like the song says " we are family, I got all my sisters with me" instead of working they are gossiping, stubbing each other, they won't hesitate to through you under the bus at any time. I hate when they say " welcome to the family" .
This is actually true
i think u should incorporate defenestrate to your vocabulary
good one
Hands down the worst one: “It is a faced paced environment”. That translates to “You will be under constant, never-ending pressure and stress. You will be under equipped for the role by the company and will receive no support from the company either”.
Nah, it's not always that deep. It's something that's put on job posting to try to keep lazy people from applying.
@@Trae4k get lost
Translation: speed is more important than safety.
I've had a few interviews where they say "we're looking for someone entrepreneurial and who is a self starter." - meaning they want someone willing to put in the same level of sacrifice as the owners but not earn as much.
We recently lost a coworker, he has been going to school and learning technical stuff to work his way up in our company. Worked hard, was nice to everyone around him and had been here for years getting more and more responsibility laid on him. He asked for a raise after years of improvement and lots more of a work load and was denied. He took a job closer to home that paid about 30% more than he was making with us and nobody could argue with him. He has a family and wants a better life. My manager said that "he asked for more money but if he didn't drink a monster drink every day and vape all the time he'd have another $140 every week, he could have just done that instead of getting a better job." Now almost everyone there is kind of updating their resumes.
Mr Boomer, you mean to tell me I can make...a whole 140 extra bucks?!?!
🤯 Wooooowwwwwwwww
Yeah, I'll definitely take that, over a 30% pay boost, and hundreds more extra dollars per week!
lol I find it funny for I very blunt with my boss when they ask me oh how your day, I tell them the truth not that oh I am doing well shit. I told my boss I have to talk to you in private if you want to know. Most bosses have a LOW IQ or rather to say they are CONDITION/RAISE THAT WAY TO THINK/Rehabilitated, that way they use word like oh that just how the business is.
I find it funny considering the caffeine and nicotine is probably what’s making him so productive. Yeah
Ross distribution warehouse plant manager told me that I if I can't get faster they will replaces me with someone else because my job is always evolving so I told him that mean my pay will evolve to and he laugh and he said No. When we started thier was 5 people in my position now theirs none I was the last guy it took five of us to do the job and everything was put on me no help no extra pay just more and more pressure.
Same thing happened at the small firm I’m at. Whole company was on below market rate, but as a tech startup we kind of accepted it.
Massive living cost bumps here, we had a big delay on doing our pay reviews, one of the sales guys went to the CEO to say he was struggling a bit with the rate he was on, CEO very publicly said in the open office “Maybe you should worry more about your lifestyle choices than how much you’re being paid”.
18 man company, 3 people currently working their notice period, 3-4 more actively looking for work elsewhere.
Currently working at a smaller company where “We’re like family here”, AND my supervisor says “We wear many hats here”. To top it off, our director has been starting to use the phrase “Everyone needs to understand that they’re not special, and they’re replaceable.” About to hand in my resignation letter 😂
Comments like yours make me wonder why those kinds of organizations ever started up to begin with. Robot-like individuals in supervisory positions mouthing nonsense jargon day in and day out. Who would even WANT to work for a company that doesn't perceive its own employees as special and irreplaceable? Remarks such as these have a DIRECT IMPACT on the quality of an employee's work.
Addendum 8/30/2022: Not to mention the fact that if you're "like family" and "totally replaceable" in the same company, in the same breath,, you get some insight into what the owners think about their own, apparently replaceable, families.
@Koriander Yander Just providing context, not condoning the act or anything. In the business I'm in, we can't afford to "lose" someone suddenly be it them taking a day off or getting fired. More often than not, someone getting fired has been planned weeks if not months in advance. If you suddenly see someone come into work that does the exact same thing as you do, whether they're there to "help" you or whatever reason they gave you. Odds are you're being replaced or being phased out. The only company that suddenly fire someone without a backup plan is a bad one.
"Replaceable" - use of that word & that mindset translates to no respect for employee- no win & toxic for staff.
Because family is replaceable.
@Koriander Yander exactly especially when you notice that the company is always hiring people who work the same position you do.
I absolutely agree that calling your workplace a family is disgusting and a red flag.
Calling it a team isn't much better, too.
My Boss called it a dysfunctional family
Before I educated myself with this stuff I worked for a place like this
100%
Made me think of the Manson family!
Trust no one at work. They are not friends. Ever. They are co-workers to be forgotten about at the end of each day.
I have friends that I met at a place I worked 15 years ago and we still get together four or five times a year for a Poker Night. I've helped some of them to get hired where I'm working now, some have moved on, and if I need to leave I'm sure they would help me get on where they're working now. Make friends where you can, maybe they'll last longer than the business you currently work at.
wished you had told me earlier, I married a coworker. We've been together for 15 years. Oh well it was nice while it lasted . But now I gotta forget about him at the end of each day. 😉
@@erinrising2799 😅😄🤣 too funny.
I suspect that might be a broader cultural aspect - I'm English working in England. I'm still friends with people I worked with 30 years ago. My best friends are almost all previous co-workers. We went through hard times together and looked after each other. We suffered the same miserable, sleasy, lying, cheating, stupid, and ignorant managers and we came out on top. Friends for life.
One of the things that I really loved about the hospital that I used to work at is that people would rally around coworkers that were ill and help them out or they would give them really great birthday parties. It was a good place to trust other people. I think it depends on the company and who they tend to hire, you can get a group of individuals that make good friends and coworkers.
During an interview the recruiter starting telling me how much they loved flexibility.
I told her that was great as I was currently studying for my CCNA at night school and would require that flexibility on a Tuesday night.
I thought she was going to choke as she hurriedly told me that the flexibility the company loved was from the employees and the company weren't flexible what so ever.
I ended the interview there and then
Smart move, that reminds me of this Walmart location I went to and during the interview the front end manager flat out says "Its not what the employee wants, it's what I want." Needless to say I ran outta there faster than one can blink. I'd never work at another Walmart again. The management is a free-for-all and a total shitshow.
Lol
A company that loves flexibility is probably going to expect you come in on a moments notice and drop everything on a dime.
@@bean420man Since they flat out said that they want flexibility from their workers and not the company, that's exactly what it means.
lol classic
Honestly the whole "we treat each other like family" makes perfect sense to me since my actual family was abusive too 🙃
Hilarious.
Me: "So we all get drunk and beat on each other. Cool!! Sign me up" 😄
When your work/life balance is more incestuous than your alcoholic abusive family.
So true 😂
I think so, too! 😆
"We just want to know if you are a team player." This is a huge red flag that basically means they want to throw any kind of extra work on you and expect you to shut up and play along.
Lol why is this so accurate! My last job was like that. The lazy workers didn’t complete their work and it kept getting thrown on me as I watched them waste countless hours chatting. Tried to tell my manager my workload was too much and heard you have to be team player and help when needed. Also she referred back to the job posting of multi-tasking. 🙄
You do all the work and the team takes all the credit, been there.
@@AgnesC1111 💯 This phrase now makes my hair stand up on my arms AND my head.
It has been overused to justify the exact situation you stated..
I shiver at those words “ Team Player “
I regret - never being my own person.
Worked for a Telco in South Africa that decided to centralise its roles back to Pretoria and shut down it's regional depratments.
In the consultation meeting with the staff, one of the employees raised the point that he had worked loyally for them for 25 years and now being kicked to the curb. The executive breaking the news to us just snapped back "if I wanted loyalty I would get a dog" !
After that, a painful lesson was learned, NEVER put the company's goals and ideals above your own aspirations.
Early 2000 I called that same company when selling telecom gear in the gray market. No longer in the business , never got anything going with them.
😲😲
in a way you should be happy that manager was honest. Most would give some bs and expect u to beieve
@@emmareyes8114 Now over 25 years since the incident I did a follow up on this "exec" and he only lasted in that role abt. 6 months after shutting my office. According to Linkedin he has had a string of other roles, most only lasting 2 years a piece and his main selling point is his pride of "transformation" to IT teams :-)
I say - you pay me for my work, loyalty is paid for separately. And I do not remember getting a separate check for that.
"We are like family" is also a sign of nepotism. Actual family and close friends tend to be in higher positions and the employees get to do all the work with zero reward.
I always tell people that no one has job security unless your name is on the building. Sad but true.
Nepotism is terrible. Will never work for a family run business again.
That too. Often family is just code for favoritism.
All of this is true!
Yes indeed
I remember working 80-100 hour weeks for almost six months trying to meet an artificial deadline on a software project. One of the 3rd party libraries I used had a bug which showed up the morning of the release date. I told the VP about it and his response was "You've just fired the whole company." I went outside and cried. Then I came back in, found a workaround and then started looking for my next job. Two weeks later, I'm leaving for a new job making 50% more with half the commute time and my boss tells me he can't understand how I could be so disloyal.
LOL! Loyalty? That's a good one. (Employers like to take advantage of people will attachment issues/ insecurity...the cult like environment...)
Loyalty to a place like that? They’re delusional.
100hours a week? For six months? Dude, that's 14 to 20 (!) hours of work a day depending if you worked 7, 6 or 5 days a week. When did you eat, shit and sleep? You're either making things up or you were foolish enough to enslave yourself. I hope they paid you good money though?
You should have simply told the boss you don’t want to fire the whole company again.
@@AbNomal621 LOL!!! Best laugh I had today, thanks!
Recruiter: "This company is like a family."
Employee: "So we all equally share in the company profits?"
Recruiter: "... Not like that."
I’ve read former employee reviews about a certain employer, and that person commented that the organization operates like a cult.
"This company is like family"
Well I never met my real father, haven't talked to my stepfather in 6 years, most of my uncles and aunts are drug addicts and drunks, my mom is neurotic, and only like 3 of us work and have our a shit together. Your right, just like family.....
I am a partner in a family business. The fact that it's your family does not mean everyone is getting an equal cut.
Haha! so true ..nice family...oh! and we are a team...whose team?
My boss showed up to my grandpa's funeral and brought 3 coworkers with him. Sometimes it really is like family.
My boss says we’re family, but treats us like we’re orphans in a Charles Dickens’ workhouse. You hit on most of what is happening where I work. I needed this confirmation. With our relatively new admin, I’ve come to hate my job. I try to be grateful everyday, but it’s getting harder, and I hate that.
Just leave it. My manager got replaced by a Malignant Narcissist from alabama, and I work in a white collar environment in Michigan (blue state). He is an HR nightmare, but the company is fighting to keep him after the obvious female and minority abuse he started to dish out to me and others. I went on disability to escape him and find another job. NEVER trust HR (they are there to ALWAYS protect the abuser). Anti-harassment HR policies are all lies, and they still try to run you off and fire you for reporting people’s sexist and bigoted behaviour - JUST LEAVE.
The “We’re looking for a rockstar” line in job postings is always cringe to me. I’m not a rockstar, I’m a professional and I want my services, years of experience and expertise to be taken seriously…
A rather flippant response that I will have to try is "But why would I want to work for a company like this if I was a rockstar? Think about that for a bit, Mr./Mrs/Ms Interviewer: why would I give up playing kick-ass headbangers and shredding solos in front of sold-out arena crowds numbering in the tens of thousands for obscene amounts of money to work for this company, which won't offer even a tenth of the pay potential. I mean, in a few years of blasting out everyone's ears, I'd have enough money to BUY this company if I was a rockstar. Tell me why in the world I'd have to be stupid enough to give up that lifestyle and pay for this line of work."
I'm of the same mind as you, Michelle. I'm heading into my forties, I received a teaching license and a BFA after years of hard work in university, I've worked in high-stress and low-pay jobs for most of my adult life, and I've had it with companies telling me that I don't meet their requirements because "well, you're just not the rockstar type, which is what we really want." Screw those people, and may those companies be swallowed up by the earth.
Tell them, "Hey, I have been looking for a company that is supportive of my cocaine and Jameson's habit, while helping me line up groupies for casual, anonymous s*x! Like my spirit guide Ian Dury said, 'S*x and drugs nad rock 'n' roll are all my brain and body need'."
I doubt they really want a rock star unless they want someone to show up drunk and high who destroys things, when they show up at all.
I agree, it's cringe-worthy, and chances are that those HR people might not even like Rock at all.
I read it as "we need a neurotic drug addict who can put a good face on things then softly weep at their desk".
A green flag I recently experienced at my newest job was the CEO himself telling me, in front of my manager, that he expects me to prioritize my family first and my job fifth. The pay is reasonable, the workload is manageable, I have a calm lead who is more like a mentor in my field, and I'd probably get locked in the building if I didn't leave on time! I know the prompt was red flag stories, but sometimes it's nice to get a reminder that sometimes there are decent jobs waiting to hire the right person! It's not perfect, but in this case good is good enough. :)
This is nice to hear, hope it continues to go well
Awesome share! 😁
omg after all this gloom and doom your comment was literally a ray of sunshine and hope to read through! Thank you so much !! I literally don't know a single person who can say what you just did which left me believing that this is the world now, there are no decent managers and all want to cut corners to make the company a buck to show off to the board or stockholders for that quarter but then, don't they realise or just observe how once you go down that route, you can almost never recover from it ? much like debt, you're always just running month to month, quarter to quarter whilst driving everyone into burn out and STILL not actually meeting your insane deadlines and ending up costing the company 5x what it could have cost to do it right the first time.... so again, thank you for your post ! your people should get a medal ! XD
Glad you said this :) thanks dude
If the CEO told me my job comes 5th, I'd get on my knees and say "But you come first sir". I'm not even gay, just greatful.
“We wear a lot of hats” is code for we are chronically understaffed and overworked. I guarantee that the next term you’ll hear out of their mouths is “team environment”.
If a company says to you “you’re replaceable” , don’t hesitate, REPLACE THEM!
I was told "we wear a lot of hats" in my interview. I did not pay much attention to this statement initially but now 3 months in I have realised. I am working more than 12 hours everyday.🥲
You are just a go-for . Go-for this! Go for that!
@Don K 😂😂😂💯
I have another red flag, and it has happened to me 11 times in interviews: "Why did you get a master's in math? This shows to me that the interviewer 1) Washed out of STEM; 2) Has "math anxiety" or dyscalculia; 3) Is intimidated in my presence; and 4) Intimidation is self degradation. I have learned that when wild animals and humans feel intimidated, they will attack. I was verbally attacked but not physically attacked during an interview. The reason that I said 11 times was that the 11th time the interviewer said, "Why did you get a master's degree in math? Why didn't you get an MBA or a masters in computer science?"
Or they just want to hear you say you didn't want to obtain domain knowledge but a foundation science, which gives you more theoretical capability than the single fields.
Idk if they're clueless and your analysis is right, but ive seen it used in the way I described many times. I think it's within what are the standard questions.
Note in that case you would have gone for a bitter or negative interpretation, where they wanted to go to a place where you express your respect for science and speak about what f fulfils you.
That's a question that is supposed to bring a positive note and align you with them. If you reply negatively on that you should see them being super at unease at that moment.
Generally "why did you do this?" Can be an invitation, an offer of attention. I know many times in our life it's not that and just someone stepping on your ideals. But if you didn't include the positive option but had 4 negative ones then you need to add nr. 5.
Please do it since it is very likely that your interpretation had a very big, half of the space - hole.
I worked for a company for 11 years that said nearly all of those things. They were a terrible place to work. I have been so happy since I left.
I once had a delivery job where the manager spent five minutes during a morning meeting talking about how much extra money you'd make and how many calories you'd burn if you worked twenty hours of overtime every week for a month. Also, at that same job on that same day, they begged a worker who had stomach surgery two days prior to come in, promising to put him on desk work. Then once he arrived, they made him go out and deliver. Yes, it was amazon
I believe you ... Amazon env was made toxic more than a decade ago by .. you guessed it Bezos
I'm not sure which country you're in but in the UK they used real employees in a TV ad a few years back and one actually said that "we work hard and play hard" and pretty much the only positive thing they could think of was that one member of staff made cakes. It was an absolute trainwreck and I still have no idea why they decided to broadcast it
My limited experience with Amazon is the workers like you and your co-worker suck. You cry and whine on the internet, talk crap about your employer and can't ever deliver a package right. You throw the packages at my doorstep without even knocking where it can get stolen, ignoring instructions. Ya, not everyone buys its totally the company and not you guys.
Where is the freaking state? Why it allows to exploit people that much?
Devilish to the core
I found your channel like 6 months ago. Depressed af, expecting a car crash every day when driving to work. You even gave me some words of encouragement. After some introspection and your guidance, I feel confident enough to find a new job and got a new one starting next week. Better salary, better position, better working environment. Thank you so much!
And for all you guys and gals, if you’re watching this video is for a reason. There is light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s not always a train!
I'm like this right now. Every day when I'm driving to work I'm wishing for a car accident. I'm late always because I just can't seem to get out of bed to even get to work
Thank you
@@FairyKit this was me in my previous job. Going to work, my whole body would ache. I left eventually and looking back I realize it was always a toxic environment and never good for me. I stayed because I thought I couldn't find or do better, much like an abusive relationship. Please trust yourself to find a better job and just do it. Don't waste any more time there 💗
@@Ephesians5-14 thank you! Yeah I'm going to tell them that I can't work there anymore. I'm just always tired and I always have nausea. It's like on and off and always feeling like I want to throw up. I'm at a shift right now and have two hours left. I just want to go home now 😔
@@FairyKit Don't forget that we get paid to improve our quality of life, like a roof, food, clothes, etc...
Sometimes, a new job get you a boost in QoL that you won't get by working extra hours or getting paid more
I had a boss who would regularly say, “You know, this is a ‘fire at will’ state, right? Anyone can be fired at any time for any reason or no reason!” Great, boss. Thanks for the motivational speech. Also, since we worked at the corporate headquarters of a multi-state operation, we were told that we were “overhead” so we really had to deliver value or we’d be canned. They also paid “market rates” no matter how good or bad one’s performance was! And then hired consultants for hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out why performance was lackluster and turnover was so high! It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so soul-destroying. Unfortunately, I’m describing most companies.
Remind him “you know my employment is also at will, right? I can dump your ass any time I want!”
Employers forget that employment is a two way street
Illinois ?
@@black4460 your vice president ought to check herself and look around, you couldn't ask for a better time to find a better job with so many openings nation wide. She obviously doesn't understand who has the leverage right now.
my response to paying market rate - at market rate, you get market competence - meaning look up how competent an average person is, since about half the people have no idea how to do their job, me fucking up (intentionally or not) 50% of the time is amortized by the fact you pay market rate.
if you want top tier performance, pay top tier salary, period.
I hate when companies pay these people a bunch of money to figure out why things are going so great. When they could pay the employees more and they be more motivated. I work at a flat rate company, and they bring in temporarys that get paid more than full timers
Yes. I had an interview with an engineering firm that preached “culture” and how to be apart of the family as the main focus of their hiring. They even told me to read a book on “team leadership” before the interview. When they asked me if I read the book during the interview I laughed and told them I’ll read it during work hours and get paid if it’s required. Lmfao. I obviously didn’t get hired. Thank goodness And they are “always hiring”. Red flag!
It’s all buzzwords for the kids they bring in, it’s all crap and we know it.
My employer also gave us homework to read some fluffy book on consulting even though I was buried in work. I didn't read that shit but I found a summary online lmao - once we had to go through it in a workshop no one could tell I hadn't read it 😂
Not a short pamphlet or paragraph? This job actually expected you to read an entire book? Talk about not respecting other people's time.
Wow, the entitlement of these employers is absolutely ridiculous.
If by "family" they mean someone abusing you psychologically and not being able to retaliate for fear of ending up homeless... they are not wrong.
One thing I learned as a young adult is don't do too much for a promotion. I was a dishwasher wanting to pursue my cooking passion and they told me if I work hard, I'll get that promotion. I did the most at my job and made myself an extremely valuable asset. Well that worked against me because they found I was better for them being where I was at so that promotion never came. Quit as soon as I got the message
In a company like that, sometimes the only way to get promoted is to leave for a promotion and then come back at the higher level. Once you leave, you usually don't want to come back.
if you want a promotion, look for opportunities to demonstrate the skills/abilities of the role you want, instead of doing your current role better. if you want to be a manager, demonstrate leadership. Find ways to improve the way the team works, mentor the newer members and help them get up to speed, ect, ect. Either you'll get promoted, or you'll develop the skills to get the promotion elsewhere.
doing your current role better in hopes of a promotion signals that you could have been working harder before you heard about the opportunity, and only apply yourself when you think theres a prize around the corner. it says that once you get the promotion, you'll go back to your old level of effort. its better to pace yourself and work at a sustainable level of effort over the long term.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 Except it's not about doing your role better, it's about doing more than just your role. During that time I did dishwasher duties, prep duties, helped servers and would occasionally bus tables. I went beyond the scope of what my job entailed and made myself well rounded. In a sense you are right but partially. If I did get the cook job, I definitely would've just stayed in the scope of my job. That doesn't mean I would work less hard, it just means I would stop spreading myself out between other positions.
@@anthonyskrzypczak9437 that doesn't work either. I was cooking and wanted to get given the extra to train as I was by far one of the two best we had, I got forced to train staff without the promotion by shoving them out the back with me alone so I had to teach them so I was able to do my job and I trained them well with no promotion. One of the people that started 2 months after me (after I moved to that store with 9 months experience already), that I trained, ended up as a manager.....someone that started months after me ended up manager....you know why? Because they could force me into a situation where I had to train and not pay me, they could leave me out the back alone and know I could do 3 people's jobs purely because I had no choice as it was that or be screamed at and most importantly, I had a family and wouldn't work extra hours for free (they would cut you off at a certain time and ask you to do more hours) I wouldn't show up to extra shifts that I legally couldn't do because I'd already worked too many hours by law and when the owner came out yelling at the 16 year olds I'd get in between and tell him that it wasn't ok to abuse his staff.....so yeah I was basically doing the kitchen manager job organizing the whole area, looking after staff, doing almost everything alone, training everyone and because i didn't have my head up the bosses ass and let him treat kids like shit. Rarely actually has anything to do with skill it's how hard you will work for the lowest pay they can manage to get away with
@@cyanidesyn123 the key part of this is to leave.
get the cheap promotion at your current place, demonstrate to yourself that you can do the job, and then use that skill and confidence to interview at a place that will respect you.
internal promotions are for experience, external promotions are for money. its easier to get the good job when you can already do it.
also, if you can do all that you described, you are well on your way to being able to run your own place.
Some years ago I was working in an IT role for a large Electronics company, and despite a glowing annual appraisal I was told that there was no money for raises. Si I contacted a recruitment agency and landed a better role nearer home with an 80% salary increase. When I handed in my notice, the manager said ' don't think you can blackmail us into giving you more money by threatening to resign'. So I replied ' I don't - I have accepted a much better offer and I'm off in four weeks.' I left the manager gasping like a stranded fish.
😆GOLD!
This was so satisfying to read 🤣!! Got em!
"blackmail" aka literally just normal employment practices lmao
Doubtful story....80% increase? yeah sure!....This is what you dream would happen.
@@kendallevans4079 No, it's true, We were seriously behind the market salarywise, I wasn't the only one to leave.
One of my favorites is, “We’re looking for someone who can think outside the box”. What they are really saying is that their company is broken and they are looking for someone to blame it on. Remember, they created “the box”. If they are looking for someone to think outside of it, they are essentially saying that the system they created doesn’t work. Rather than admitting they have lost control, they hire someone to use as a scapegoat. The new hire lasts a few months and then is let go. The management blames the new hire for screwing up the whole company and they pat each other on the back for getting rid of them. They then go back to their business as usual.
Also it's worth pointing out that people who "think outside the box" will constantly have conflicting viewpoints with people who are limited to their own boxes.
In my experience, "think outside the box" is code for 'figure out a better way to do A, B, and C so that I can take all the credit'.
Yet when you do think outside of the box, they will chide you and accuse you of not following the rules or not being a team player.
I've experienced this first hand. I was the 'problem' that was created by bad management. So I was fired via scapegoat blaming. Even though I was asked to fix the problem. The problem was management and I discovered that quick. I called them out and they in turn fired me.
The problem with "think outside the box" is that they get angry and defensive when you do, because they made the box and don't like having their work criticized.
I've been through most of these over my 35+ years in software. Only 2 companies were truly "family" and "work hard, play hard". They treated employees well and rewarded us well for working our asses off, and if you needed time to recoup you got it. These were successful companies, and that was the problem itself. When push came to shove they sold themselves to bigger competitors, and the new companies shit all over everyone. I did get some payoff on both merger/acquisitions.
But the new owners really turned the heat up and expected us to take shit and just live with it. The turnover got bad, people left in waves. When I left I was asked why I was leaving and I told them that the place had changed, wasn't what I joined for and needed to do something else. I got the "we really need you" and "we've been loyal to you" guilt trips. I just left it alone, but wanted to tell them they treated me and a lot of other people like cogs in the machine and treated us like shit.
I learned that loyalty is to yourself and your family (your real family) first and foremost. Take as much as you can get (money & benefits) and do just enough to keep things on an even keel. Because the second you give more, they will take more, and keep expecting more without giving anything back.
It's not personal, just business.
Someone worth working for would always respect if you decided to pursue a new opportunity. Fuck the guilt trippers
And company mergers tend to sacrifice a company’s original mission statement and goals for a big mess
eloquently spoken, thanks for sharing
I'm sorry you had that terrible experience. I would suggest a more nuanced lesson would be to adapt your working style to the quality of employer you have. From the sound of it, those two companies that were truly "family" were worth treating differently. If you're in a shitty workplace, then fair enough, maybe you need to adapt to that (though my suggestion then would be to do what you did and leave). But if you're in one of the better workplaces, the cynical "they'll keep expecting more without giving anything back" attitude will backfire and you'll miss out on some of the best opportunities for growth, imho.
I love the companies who tell you that they promote getting a secondary education and will reimburse you for obtaining your degree but then make you work ridiculous hours that won't allow you to go to classes.
Yup! I had a company like that. You had to stay for 5+ years to get the money.
Yup I worked for a company like that. They were not willing to work with my school schedule. That’s the part they don’t say in the interview.
McDonald’s lol
I think you mean post-secondary but yeah. Also companies now expect you to work X years after you stop going or you have to pay it back.
That happened to me! They did book it in the end but then i had no time at work to complete it and had to use holiday for two years to cover the time to do assignments
“If your not happy quit, I can hire someone else” than management turns around and says “your an integral part of company and our business cannot afford to lose you”.
Had a boss tell me that first line once. I replied "Great idea" and walked out on the spot.
@@Hisdudeness9500 They should be careful what they wish for, no?
I remember one genius from HR said "you're all replaceable" (something one definitely should not say) AND "other people would love to have a job like yours. People are lining up for those positions" (again, things you do not say) during a company meeting. A handful of people walked out right after she said that, and never came back. Besides them, a few others left during that week; no two weeks notice, either. The HR person screamed at the people who left during the meeting about giving notices, and a reply came back as "if we are so replaceable, then you do not need us to give one" How the HR rep had a job past that month, I will never know, as I left there years ago.
Lmao of all people an HR rep said that 😂😂
@@dudeda96er Probably the owner's wife.
FYI - To those who have not dealt with HR directly, take note that they are there to Protect the company at ALL Cost. They will do all they can, short of physically slapping you in the face, to either make your complaint go away or have you quit so they don't have to pay you unemployment. They are in NO WAY there to help you. Unless you have a CLEAR VIVID Video with 3 witnesses where say your boss is physically abusing you, they will Not help you in any way.
Don't ask me how I know this, just be wise and do NOT trust HR. At best your situation will remain the same, at worse you will loose your job (NO unemployment income as well) and any benefits and pension that you once HAD.
It is difficult to work in an abusive and exploiting environment, but tread lightly when thinking of contacting HR for help. Very few circumstances will warrant contacting HR. In most cases, you either have to just continue supporting the toxic environment till you can find another job to fall back on when you quit. Build your skills and resume is key at all times. Grow your knowledge and ask questions to other others, in and out of your department to improve your value. The more you know the more likely you can be hired somewhere else and possibly be paid more.
NEVER feel you are Responsible for a company because they will forget you existed 1 hour after they receive confirmation from FTD Flowers that the bouquet of flowers they sent arrived to your funeral-viewing.
@@dudeda96erTHIS
My husband once worked for a company that was always hiring. They claimed to be selective about who they hired, but in retrospect, it was because of turnover. The benefits were the best I'd ever seen (ahem, golden handcuffs), but the work had nearly impossible deadlines, a lot of travel, and the company would leave employees hanging when they needed support. Eventually my husband was scapegoated for the failure of a project and we're both much happier without them.
The best job I had at the interview they said life was a priority. "Your family comes first, you come second and your job is a distant 3rd" and I had worked so many places where we were expected to work 50-60 hours a week and not given permission to use our PTO when we wanted it. So hearing our family was a priority and job was a distant 3rd was a huge relief. As a result, I worked hard for my company because I knew they prioritized me over their profit.
Just out of curiosity what was the company that said that? It is very rare to hear that nowadays!
@@Gurlonline07 It was actually a job at a municipality in a major US City.
@@alexanderzachary4650 😲
@@alexanderzachary4650 government jobs can be like that. Just don't expect a lot of money.
This is usually the case at companies that have no competition such as government organizations and utilities
When they say “we care about mental health” it means they provide you a compfy yoga room to cry in when the job drives you crazy.
If someone from higher up tells my team to "just breathe and release every negative thought with each exhale" one more time 🙃
To be fair there are very few jobs that would drive someone crazy... It's ALWAYS the people, usually the ones you're forced to work with or under that actively keep throwing logs under your feet on a daily basis. Problems that could be solved if your co-workers or superiors exhibited the bare minimum of competency at their job position and if everyone was held to the same standard. I've once had wise manager who said that if everyone done their jobs, there would be collectively less work to be had.
@@Micromation @Micromation ugh I hear that. I happen to be working in that group of jobs tho lol. My coworkers are great at their jobs and incredibly talented. We don't need to breathe- we need practical resources to compensate for the craziness we have to deal with on the daily so we don't end up burned out & with declining mental health.
or 15 min with a psychologist
THIS 💀💀😭😭
Retired teacher here. I worked for a toxic principal who loved to say the school was our family. Almost half of the teaching staff quit, transferred, or retired within 3 years. Of course, our test scores fell... dramatically. She finally was 'unable to get her contract renewed'. Her leaving was my best day of the last few years. 😂
I feel like every school says that but how often has admin ever invited teachers over for dinner at their house 🤣
I grew up in a pretty toxic and dysfunctional family. When a potential employer tells me they are like a family it doesn't evoke the same types of emotions for me that they thought of hoped it would.
My granddaughter went to a school with a principal like that, and the teachers were elated when the principal left.
so in any words you stayed there when it was bad and then left when it started getting good.
just shows people like having something to complain about and don't like it when nothing to complain about.
I have one more that is red flag for me:
"We have a young team."
For me this one always means that the company is unable to motivate seniors to stay, there is a big team fluctuation and that they likely hire a cheap student that highly qualified professional.
' We wear a lot of hats...' This one is a huge sign that the department is DISORGANIZED and lacking structure. I'm currently at a corporation and I can attest to everything you mentioned.
Yeah to me it means, "we take on work at a speed and level that we cant possibly do anything well or without overtime and huge stress." The job description should just be honest and say, "we cant predict what you'll be doing, we cant prepare you. Frequently we'll just drive you out at night on a boat into deep water and dump you there. You won't know the distance or direction but *if* you're able to swim home we'll give you our criticism for how long it took and then take you out and dump you again. Probably farther this time, after all..you made it back once!"
@@libertyprime2013 yeah but it's usually a sign of being understaffed regardless of the reason. It's generally is a red flag, and makes it into job descriptions of managers who are oblivious to the struggle. If applying to a place that says this, it would be important to ask about its meaning and gauge the responses carefully.
Yup I worked at a small business and when people like me started to realize how disorganized the company was, we all quit
"we don't know what the fuck we're doing."
@@mhzprayer lololol holy crap haha. True.
Here's one for you, when the company's "were hiring sign" is twice as large as their business sign it's a good indication it's a "toxic" environment.
You see a lot of those "now hiring" signs these days.
Yes! Along with that, when a company has a permanent “now hiring sign” that’s a clue to run 🏃♂️
@@WorldStage_Decoder Depends; like if a company is growing quickly because they are gaining market terrain (because of quality they deliver for example) and they don't want their current employees to overwork; they need to hire more new employees. And that would be the right choice too, so it's not always true
I worked at a company that my team told management that the workload is too high and the next meeting one of them had made a spreadsheet (missing many steps) which said that we should have 6 spare hours a week. Considering we were all doing unpaid overtime to complete the work, it was massively insulting.
I was once asked during an interview if I had "thick skin". I thought it was a strange question but I accepted the job anyway. I worked for this IT company for 10 months and for the first month or so they were relatively nice to me. After the first month, however, they became increasingly abusive to me. I discovered that the reason why was being hired is that a long-time employee was quitting - mostly because of the abuse. After 6 months of working at this company, the abuse was really starting to impact me. At that point, it was clear to me I couldn't work there anymore. Too bad because on many levels, I liked what I did there and the abuse just wasn't necessary to get the job done.
Abuse is never necessary to get any job done. There are laws against such practices and such companies do not last long in the real world. True entrepreneurs know this and cultivate long lasting relationships with their employees. suppliers and customers.
Most companies have to strike a balance between souring relationships with their customers, suppliers and employees. Too soft and nothing gets done too hard and fear takes over and survivalism takes over eventually destroying the company.
@@jgdooley2003 I don't know what happened to these guys after a quit - just did a quick Google search and discovered that they were "permanently closed". I'm sure Covid had a lot to do with it but they were on a downward spiral when I finally left the company.
To be honest, I can see why they were harsh at times because the company was under a lot of pressure from many of its clients. However, being inflexible and failing to admit mistakes were made did not play out well for them in the long run.
When I was hired on, I was meant to replace another technician who had worked for the company for 5 years and knew all the internal workings of each of the client's sites. He was well liked and trusted by the clients. It would have been in management's best interests to extract all his knowledge before letting him walk out the door but the attitude was he was an idiot and not worth the trouble. That attitude cost the company dearly and led to the eventual loss of several key clients.
It always starts at the top with management and leadership. If the person in position cannot handle the role, then that person should not be in position.
@@rayva1 It would be great if the world really worked that way, wouldn't it? Unfortunately human beings are terribly flawed and usually make decisions based on emotions rather than logic. I saw this a lot with smaller mom and pop businesses. Roles are filled based on personal relations rather than merit.
@@rayva1 Many of these organizations are family owned and managed. It doesn't matter whether or not a family member "should" be in the position. It's take or or leave it time there.
I remember once at an engineering company a senior manager told a bunch of engineers working on highly specialised products that they were replaceable. Someone lower down the ladder had to explain to him that not only would it take months to find replacements, but it would take months more for the new people to get up to speed.
"Senior manager" is lucky there wasn't a mass walkout.
true 100000%
Managers are the replaceable ones ;-)
@@zyeborm MY sister worked for a company for 40 years, She says that she had over 10 mangers in that time. She turned down the manager job several times telling HR " Why in Gods name would i do that to myself.......that is a sure way to get fired around here. "
I worked for a company for 27 years, during that time there were five mergers, and any sense of loyalty to the employees was gone. The first 20 years I loved the job, the next three years the fun was gone and the final four I absolutely hated it. During my last year the regional manager use the phrase "we are a family" I told him "if we are a family, it's dysfunctional and incestuous." I retired shortly thereafter.
Yes, my last employer said the "we are a family" and "we wear many hats" also "TEAMWORK is essential". I was laid off first, then re-hired 15 years later. I was doing 6 different departments alone, and being paid seven dollars per hour less than the average for the same work elsewhere. Whenever someone left, I was asked to do their job because " I'm paying you, do it". When I quit the boss threw a massive hissy fit and he said things to me that I'm pretty sure he would never say to his family. He put too many eggs in my basket .Sucks to be him.
Yup! "We are a family" = "we want you to give us the time you should be spending with your actual family." And as soon as you prioritize your actual family, you're out the door. Best thing that could have happened to me!
Exactly. They probably get shocked and offended if you tell them that you don't want to work weekends.
@@LongIslandCityLayout I'll never forget my manager look at me like I committed murderer for the "crime" of taking a weekend off with my PTO.
You can be easily replaced at work, your family is not replaceable
Speaking to the replaceable: Companies are equally replaceable. I worked for an IT outfit in Cleveland and the owner wanted to chase a certain market. I asked about company support for training and certification. He straight up said "I expect you to cover that as it directly benefits you and your career". Really this is how you're going to play it asshole?
So I went and did the training and certification myself, went to his competitor for $15K more/year. Walked into his office and let him know I took his advice from 6 months ago and wanted to thank him.
We was initially confused and then I reminded him of what he said and let him know I fired him.
Well done. Changing jobs is the normal way to get a step change in remuneration.
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Drops mic, walks away 🎤
Well played, sir.
You deserve a standing ovation...... fantastic! 👏👏👏👏👏
Love this list! In my last job search I wound up with several interviews, and I heard all of these things over and over again. The company that finally stood out said a couple things differently:
"Your weekends are yours." "We don't want people getting burned out." "We're probably going to wait a year before hiring anyone else." "We can train technical skills, we need someone with an eye for detail."
They are the best company I've ever worked for. These terrible "we are a family" tropes need to stop. This is a job, not your family, and a great company recognizes that!
Your family is at home and they need you to be with them from 6 PM until bedtime
Where do I send my resume? 😀
I once worked for a consulting company with dozens of managers who operated on intimidation and disrespect with their employees, especially the junior ones who were easily intimidated. One day my manager was openly chastising an employee at the client site in front of everyone in the help desk area near my desk. I stood up and walked around to their pod and confronted him about behaving so shamelessly in front of everyone (I was still fairly new to the company). I told him that I disagree with that kind of behavior and treatment of people and he retreated.
Not too long after I had been there about 90 days he called me into a conference room and began to tell me how he didn't think I was operating at the level they hired me for. I proceeded to tell him that he didn't have the requisite knowledge and qualifications to judge my work and that I knew exactly what I was doing. He cut the meeting short and we never met like that again.
Another time, after I had worked a long day (about 10 hours) I was driving home with music playing in my car to unwind from a long hard day. He called me on my phone and asked me why I didn't send an email regarding some thing he felt was important. I got frustrated and told him that I was very busy that day and that if it was so important why didn't he send it himself and that I wasn't his secretary. He got me so miffed that I called HIS boss and told him what happened and to get this guy off my back or I would find somewhere else to work. The next day my manager didn't even show to the office and from then on he never bothered me in a negative way again.
So please, if you have the courage and enough clout to do so, stand up to these bullies of the workplace. They only succeed in making the workplace a despised and dysfunctional environment. Mutual respect can go a long way in making the workplace tolerable. As much as you can, be cheerful and respectful but show your disdain for bad behavior. People with bad behavior will eventually get the message. I do also want to say that I wasn't always badgering him about his bad behavior, he eventually became a more positive manager and we developed a fair working professional relationship.
needed this, thank you
Curious to hear his version. You seem to be pretty agressive too
@@JonathanVachon777
"So I was minding my own business, doing my job, dressing down this guy in public, and one of the other peons came over and told me not to publicly humiliate people like that :( "
Eventually you get too old for that shit. I was in a Junior role at 36 and had bad managers. Whenever they gave me the hairdryer treatment I didn't back down, eventually they left me alone and two of the three were removed from post last year. No one, especially not an adult, deserves to be spoken to in a derogatory way, no pay is worth that.
I have another one for you. “This is a salaried position”. This being said in the context that you are expected to work long hours. Yes, it may be a salaried position however; that does not mean I want to work 80 hours a week for you! I have worked for a company in which I couldn’t make dinner plans with my family because something could come up at the drop of a hat and I was expected to work way beyond the the normal workday.
Today, after being in my job position for 5 1/2 years, I just had a corporate auditor tell me, "You are a salaried employee. If you're not working more than 50 hours, you're not pushing your weight." The "incentive" of a salaried employee is to get as much work done as little time as possible, not to burden an employee with so much work that they are forced to work overtime!
@@ThatFanBoyGuy I know working a salaried position it is not uncommon to work over 40 hours. Some companies see this as a way yo set metrics so high you must work 60+ hours. They basically just don’t want to pay overtime. I just want a work life balance.
@@saramoran3961 The managers/bosses use the no OT pay rule to take complete advantage of you. They become "yes" men to whatever the client wants, and impose deadlines that you can't even meet when you work 70 hour weeks. And then they lay you off the second that business slows down.
QC testers in the field work 60+ on concrete and asphalt days.
Except for law Enforcement or medical, i could not have a job like this.
my job, i work 9-5pm and then find out at 4pm the 5 o'clock person called out? I'm not going to stay.
friends of mine had security jobs where after working 11-7am or 3-11pm their relief calls out and their forced to work a double. fuck that I'm out
I once read a job posting that basically said, “We’re not a family, we’re a team. You can show up drunk to Thanksgiving and yell at Aunt Margret and generally your family will still keep you around. If you show up drunk to work and yell at someone, we’re gonna have a problem.” And I appreciated that kind of an attitude in a job posting. Unfortunately I was terribly under qualified, but it seemed like a great company to work for
@Jason Voorhees Why did you call him a clown?
@Jason Voorhees How am I coping? I'm just asking a question.
@@Malachi-Rhodes maybe he found it funny and wasn't calling him one
“We are a team” or “Teamwork makes the dream work” is a mantra that companys rely on to make you do more work. It makes your boss happy that you are doing his responsibilities because you are a team player while he gets paid more.
In my experience, the “family” atmosphere often turns into people playing out their traumas at work. I’m not actually your relative and you can’t talk to me like I am!
My work family will do that . I hear all sorts of personal stuff but I say something personal and I’m told my real family sounds dysfunctional.
@jassi rakhra watch yourself, sir.
Or them taking advantage of you financially
I've had to clean house at my company that I took over from my father, since he was continuing losing money and running it into the ground. I was previously a corporate attorney with tons of experience on how to effectively run a business to be both profitable and professional and treating employees fairly. Dad had run it as "family" business. Oh my the mess I found when i took over. It was like personal drama central and half of their day was spent on that rather than work. And i lost count of who was screwing who or had in the past and now involved in drama when it was over or someone got knocked up. COMPLETE mess. Had no idea at first what i was stepping into. Took me a good year, but i finally got it mostly cleaned up and most of the existing staff had to go. You couldn't run a successful business with all that going on.
Oh my god, about half of these apply to the Air Force: "Work hard, play hard", "we're like a family", "we wear lots of hats", "you're replaceable". I'm so glad that I can retire in 21 months!
I went to a job interview and got there early and stood outside. I started asking every employee walking in if this was a good place to work for?
Everyone walking in said basically: "do yourself a favor and get a job somewhere else"
OMG. You need to post this on a bumper sticker: ALWAYS GO EARLY FOR A JOB INTERVIEW AND INTERVIEW THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.
😂 😂 😂
During an interview they claimed that on rare occassion I'd need to do split-work on a different floor (go back and forth, using the stairs). I stayed behind after the interview and talked to some employees in the hall and break room, asking "How often do you get assigned split-work on the second floor?" and they all said "Pretty much every day." Game over.
Yet, the people you’re interviewing still work there. Hard to take the word of someone who doesn’t believe in themselves.
I've heard the "we're always hiring" one myself when going around asking if their place is hiring, and I honestly don't know why anyone would think it's a positive comment unless its a brand new place that needs lots of people.
When I'm told "we're always hiring" what I really hear is "everyone quits within a few months", and that doesn't happen at places people like to work at.
Worked 10 years for an insurance company at 100% Commission. Their management style was “What have you done for me lately?” Our yearly “party” was held in one of the building’s conference rooms, catered by their food service. At the end of the meeting you saw the bus ready to take those who met a specific metric leave to attend the actual party.
Wait...What?!!!
This parties are really stupid. Hate this team building crap.
Ive worked at a food service establishment for a very nice couple who refered to us as a family but more importantly they valued us like a family giving monthly bonuses and holding large holiday parties for the staff. Very nice people.
"We believe in a Work/Life balance". "There are 24 hours in a day, we only expect you to work half of those".
Until we become short handed-
Unless you're salaried. Then you can expect to work far more hours.
@@foxymetroid I don’t believe the prestige and benefits of many salaries jobs live up to their status anymore, and wages/payg gives workers more leverage.
Oof 😥
I can confirm all of these things.
Work hard/play hard means "you work hard"
We are family means "if you are inside, you win. Otherwise, you are a drone"
We will promote you later is always, ALWAYS bs. I have fallen for that a few times. Never again.
Exactly, "with promotion will come a pay rise". Never happened. There were always excuses like: "no position available", "you aren't star employee", "we had to promote person who worked here longer".
same here
As someone who is very close to her family, that "we are a family thing" drives me nuts - and it is very prevalent in the nonprofit field. My response has been "I like working here, and my coworkers are great, but my family would give me a kidney if I needed one and somewhere to sleep if I were homeless. Oh, and they would never fire me. Unless you can give me that, you are not my family."
Smart
Well said
It's like that everywhere. Especially retail.
What *_I_* hear when someone says this place is like family is "we expect you to treat us like family and keep any legal employment matters off books, but we will still maintain the right to terminate you at any time for any reason, including the purpose of cutting costs or increasing shareholder dividends."
I was told during a so called promotion that "we want to take care of you" while adding an insultingly tiny raise, and a few tiny perks, to compensate me for taking over an additional entire full time position while keeping all my previous responsibilities. ...Wow, thanks a lot!
that is how I left my previous job. They offered me a promotion as I outgrew my then current position. I was going to be salary vs previous hourly. And when they said how much, I choked on air as could not believe they had the audacity to say it seriously. I was supposed to work more hours (was already doing good overtime), take on more job and they would CUT my paycheck by exactly A THIRD!
@@annapatton4544 It's definitely weird out there wherever people are involved, which as far as I can tell is everywhere unfortunately! Hope your new job is more fulfilling!
This is so spot on. The “always hiring” one especially is a dead giveaway that it’s an utterly toxic environment - either they fire people for little or no reason, and/or it’s so miserable that they can’t keep people from constantly quitting.
A certain call center that I’m not going to name here!
@@chococandy1 name them
Call centre companies are this way.
I saw that sign at what must be one of the sleaziest busnesses possible: a massage parlor and porno palace.
When a manager acts like they're the business owner, you will have issues. Managers will talk about "the company's best interest," until you catch them slacking off. I really think there should be mandatory, standard training required before becoming a manager. A lot of issues literally can traced back to one individual, who can get away with being abusive for long periods of time.
I completely support it. But most companies are not interested in training and raising employees as well as managers. They grind them to the ground and move on to the new meat.
Amen to that!
I've been in situations where the "face" of an organisation is a pleasure then only to discover the one or ones you'll actually be dealing with everyday you've never met before and can be arrogant a-holes.
The "we're family" thing gets under my skin. It seems to be said frequently at exploitative companies that lack respect for their employees.
@ RJB tell me about it... i heard it also going together with another very obnoxious sentence " we only leave the office when all the job is done".... i put up with this comment a few times until i went to an interview and when I saw the interviewer´s face I instantly decided I didn´t want to work there (smoking in the office too despite it being illegal.... i left the interview stinking like hell) so when he said the "we leave when all the job is done" i couldn´t resist and I jokingly replied " Mr. X, if all the job was done in one day your company would be out of business, I would say is sensible to leave some bits for the next day, don´t you think??" and I followed that with an honest laughter (provoked by the outraged face of the interviewer), not only was I cocky and asked for double the money and told them extra time was not "my thing" (as I said i knew I didn´t want the job) but I thank them for their time and told them I was meant to be somewhere else so we would talk some other time, and left.... I got a call offering me the job the next day which I didn´t take under some lame excuse. I have no doubt they would have made me pay for my "daring comments" and would have taken me on a trip to hell on a daily basis.... so glad I didn´t take the job, made me feel so good to tell him out too 😅
It's used often in non-profit and state service too. They know that more altruistic and often less competitive employees are hoping for a more familial work atmosphere. But like anywhere, it's just a red flag for "unprofessional place to work".
Same with "We respect our employees." That's something you have to show. Words are cheap.
@Jason Voorhees I feel like you're mad Freddy didn't die when you decapitated him... Lots of unnecessary comments bud.
Sir, great video.
I've been blissfully retired for 20yrs
But have many young friends who seek my experienced input in thier day to day work issues.
Corp America is now an open air insane asylum of unchecked power.
Everything you expressed in this no Bs video I've shared with them in my own words.
You really nailed this issue down well, superbly. Yours is solid quality advice without sensationalism.
The plain TRUTH is easy to hear & process.
Ty sincerely for your work.
It's a rare gem.☉
"Early is on time, on time is late and late is unacceptable" is the one I can't stand the most. It sounds catchy, but is mostly corporate's way of saying we don't want to pay you for everything you do.
This is why I'm glad I'm a truck driver. I make twice as much as I did as a fast food manager with way less stress.
Same. Reading this at a shipper 😅
same here
“Well, other drivers do it!”
Not, this driver.
Same
Enjoy while automation doesn't take over truck driving in the next few short years...
'We're like a family'
Yet they never, ever consider promoting from within.
Let's work as a team, would be an appropriate comment
I was once a door-to-door fundraiser for a "progressive" political group and every work day they'd go out to a bar or something after work.
They would act like it was a social team-building thing but really it was a big middle finger to all the fundraisers because the only ones that were being paid well enough to go and order anything other than water was the managers and above.
I've never worked so hard for so little.
Thanks for sharing! Smh..'Fundraising' smh
Biography is philosophy. Your politics are a larger scale version of what you do when you think no one is looking. Same rules apply for all.
Run away when the company says, “it’s a rock and roll atmosphere.” 😂
Hey at least their socialism values were transparent. 😂
My first or second day of training my trainer told us that there was a lot of negative people in the company and to ignore them. That was the absolute biggest red flag I've ever seen.
Lol
good start , probably they would treat you same in the same case
Yea, I had a boss who said that "there are a lot of assholes in this company", and she turned out to be one of them.
She was the head asshole huh🤔🤣😃😣
Sooo…… exactly how did they GET so negative? LOL. I’m 64 and it took me too long to realize this all important fact.
When in an interview I’m not there to grovel for a job. I’m there to interview THEM to see if the reward will be equal to the sacrifices required. I’m also ascertaining if I will like who is already there. If no on any question I thank them and end the process.
I was on two different interviews where they acted annoyed that I was asking THEM questions. One was what I could see was a revolving door company. The recruiter when realizing I might be too perceptive just shoved an application across the table.
I guess she could tell by my less than enthusiastic demeanor I was losing interest at an alarming rate.
I told her I hadn’t decided yet if I even WANTED the job yet and watched the angry micro expression in her eyes. She quickly recovered and resumed the used car salesman smile but the gig was up.
I really enjoyed sliding the application back her way!
As others here have said. You work for YOU LLC.
That's a parade float of red flags, shooting fountains of red sparkles, with trailing clowns throwing red streamers and dancing girls in red sequined bras waving big fans of red feathers.
I worked at a "family" company. I hope to never make that mistake again. I've also noticed if usually a job ad says "we're growing", that's a cover up for "someone just quit". I know this because that's what they put in the ad for my job when I left.
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A previous employer told me that they’re letting me go due to the role being eliminated. The kicker was they wanted me to say I chose to move on to better opportunities-potentially to avoid paying out unemployment. However, the role got refilled shortly later by a male candidate. I was young and the only woman in the startup. After being laid off, I applied for and received unemployment. I also suffered from severe depression from that experience.
Damn. Thx for sharing. Keep your head up 😊 👍
Your only problem was giving a s*it. I hope you have adjusted your thinking appropriately
I get terminated for calling out waste and incompetence, i am proud of my firings. Im a mechanical engineer.
What’s really awesome is people at this point in time can move easily, refuse job offers with others coming right behind, and be picky. When I graduated from university in 1982 you took what you could get. 1 thru 5 all applied. I hope this generation doesn’t have to experience that but I fear everything old will soon be new again.
But where and in what industry? One man's famine is another man's fortune.
Some people can, some people can't. True then, true now.
I don't think you have a realistic view of the world. Gruaduation from uni in 1982 is like the literal heaven. Nobody in the next 2 decades would blame you if you searched for a job for a few years. And we on the other hand get 0 benefits from back then. You know, Steve, I was born in 1990. And back then the world was actually still different. Smaller. Less people.
Trust me, they told me I would be a famous person. How dumb they were. :) It's never going to be the same world again. Only much, much *,much* worse.
Had I gruaduated from Uni in 1982, well. :)
The " We'll promote you later " one hits home. I was promised 90 days...on day 91, I started looking for new employment and I accepted a offer on day 180 and I gave 2 weeks notice. Suddenly, the company want to fast track promotion but I declined, I was done.
Promote you later is fine, in fact it can be a good thing. Just make sure its down in a contract set up as something that will either happen automatically at certain date or automatically when certain condition is reached. Then its really good - its great to know how your salary will progress and that they have to increase it.
@@Vadamsama You're right, but too often it is a verbal (non-enforceable) contract that is merely used to keep you at the hamster wheel longer.
@MokA Book 7 reasons employees leave put it very similarly: Workers join companies, but leave management.
Every time someone quits your manager says
“People just don’t want to work”
For you 😂
Yes. Whenever you hear this, follow it up with "for you."
Where I work there's people who don't want to work- yet get promoted
“We’re like a family.”
“Okay, do you fire your spouse and children whenever they annoy you?”
No, but they do berate them, yell at them, and treat them like something to be scraped off the bottom of a shoe.........
Many spouses get fired.
It means they can take advantage and expect you to keep coming back cause we are family and family is always there for you.
Underrated comment right here
Right! You going to get the baby at 12 am and help with dropping the car for repairs? How Bout give sonny a ride to soccer and show up to help on moving day?
The owner of a company I worked for once wanted to see my team's process. He grabbed our manager and looked at what we were doing. He was a little dissapointed because I guess our manager has been telling him something different how things are done. So our embarrassed manager looked at me and my colleague and said "why havent ya been doing like I asked!". Both of us confused, we said sorry. After they left we looked at each other and said " wtf, when did he tell us to do it that way?". Our manager wanted to save face so bad and in turn just belittled us in front of ownership. It was pathetic.