In Stars and Time #25 | ECHO CHAMBER OF OUR OWN

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  • @smilemore7431
    @smilemore7431 5 месяцев назад +54

    8:35 I love the fact that Siffrin accidentally slips into terrifying faces as the game goes on, it’s such a fun detail!
    Anyways,
    (You got a MEMORY OF RESTING BITCH FACE!)
    (You will always remember this.)

  • @homesteadhero
    @homesteadhero 5 месяцев назад +82

    Gina, I need you to know that - as someone who's been watching y'all for YEARS at this point - your voice acting game has notably, *significantly* skyrocketed. Like, not one of you were ever slouching in that department, but HOT DANG that bathroom monologue? With the tears??? I froze, set down my drink, and just...FELT it. Hoo boy. That was some *grief* you channeled in there: raw, mournful rage. That is a tricky emotion to master communicating, but it was perfection in all but, what, a handful of lines? I know you're pursuing more of a career in VA so I wanted to let you know how much I am in awe of the progress you've made over all this time. You're gonna CRUSH it.

    • @smokewthedevil
      @smokewthedevil 5 месяцев назад +9

      this is so real, the improvement is palpable

  • @qisforcucumber
    @qisforcucumber 4 месяца назад +27

    The bathroom scene really got to me as someone with memory issues. it's really hard to explain the sensation of knowing there's something you forgot, there's just a hole in the middle of the picture and you don't know why. and it can absolutely be panic-inducing, and screws with your whole perception of the world. the voice acting sells that panicked feeling so well, I had to get up and take a lap afterwards just to reorient myself. excellent stuff.

    • @lumin6464
      @lumin6464 4 месяца назад +1

      my oldest memory is just like that…
      it doesn’t help that I still know just enough to know Exactly how much is missing

  • @ap_le4818
    @ap_le4818 5 месяцев назад +26

    29:45 Ah yes the most philosophical question, the Siffrin of Theseus

  • @CaitlinMagness
    @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +24

    stars, that “confession” scene is pure PAIN

  • @benpalmer1583
    @benpalmer1583 5 месяцев назад +33

    When returning to the change god statue, there was another change you didn't mention.
    The last line was "(You make sure Mira doesn't touch the statue)"
    Basically, Sif didn't want to see the change god again

  • @CaitlinMagness
    @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +28

    I like how easily Allison seems to get chills from narrative beats-it’s cute and shows how invested she is in the story

    • @CaitlinMagness
      @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +8

      her imaginary jumpscares are amazing too lmao

  • @paulomatute4114
    @paulomatute4114 5 месяцев назад +20

    1:27:54
    I like Sif silly take on the situation at this point
    I would have love if during the breakdown of the head housemaiden Sif said:
    "I just offered you a flower ma dam, don't be so overdramatic"

    • @crowsenpai5625
      @crowsenpai5625 5 месяцев назад +10

      Just every line he has something snarky he halfheartedly says
      *“I’m so sorry! There’s no way we can stop it now…!”*
      “What’s the matter? You have flower allergies?”
      *”I’m Sorry! You’ll be going back!”*
      “You want me to go grab you a different flower?”

  • @starlesscitiess
    @starlesscitiess 5 месяцев назад +36

    y’all are in sync with this game to a frightening degree tbh

    • @CaitlinMagness
      @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +8

      seriously they’re so sharp

    • @starlesscitiess
      @starlesscitiess 5 месяцев назад +12

      @@CaitlinMagness I KNOW the end where they predicted how the scene with isa would go to a T was genuinely like. WHAT

  • @Ruminations09
    @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +15

    Over the past few episodes, I've been noticing a slight trend in the comments of these videos that has been steadily gaining momentum, bit by bit, so I want to try to nip it in the bud - To ALL commenters: *PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF SPOILERS!*
    I know you all are antsy for Allison and Gina to see this scene or that scene.
    I am too.
    Trust me, I get it.
    But they have the right to play the game as blind as they wish to, and it's not fair to deprive them of a surprise they may have stumbled upon anyway.
    There are ways to give hints and nudges that don't cause this issue. Chief among those is putting a spoiler guard in your comment with an explanation of what the spoiler guard is guarding - that way, Allison and Gina can make an informed decision and choose for themselves whether or not they actually want to read our hints or play 100% blind.
    I know these comments are coming from a place of wanting them to get the most out of this game, but please be mindful of the fact that such well-intentioned enthusiasm could inadvertently sour part of the experience.
    I'll probably repost this again on the next episode, because I think it's important as many people see this as possible.

  • @benpalmer1583
    @benpalmer1583 5 месяцев назад +22

    Congratulations! You got Memory of Confession!
    Sif's inner monologue in a number of scenes is a bit different now!
    One of my favorites(angst) is at the bookshelf in the secret room on the 3rd floor.
    It's in the last few lines.

  • @lasagna3289
    @lasagna3289 2 месяца назад +4

    Omg your pets are all named after herbs... Basil... Coriander... I love this...

  • @crowsenpai5625
    @crowsenpai5625 5 месяцев назад +12

    49:14 during the adventure, Odile was caught out camping without toilet paper one time and decided at that point “never again.” And now always keeps some in her bag.
    And I will not accept anyone not saying this isn’t true canon other than Insertdisk5.

  • @madhippy3
    @madhippy3 5 месяцев назад +9

    Ya it sounds like if you were outside Vaugarde when the loops started you would see the nation repeating the day and that must be terrifying.

  • @Hallasammal
    @Hallasammal 5 месяцев назад +8

    1:08:16 you accidentally skipped this, but you can see Sif's expression here for just a moment... he's doing so finnneee

  • @subdeviant3755
    @subdeviant3755 5 месяцев назад +5

    Oh Stars!, this game has taken us all on a rollercoaster that keeps falling off it rails killing us all. It repeats so much and i can't wait to see the true ending of this game.
    I can't wait for the next video!!

  • @TrickVT
    @TrickVT 5 месяцев назад +11

    Make sure to hear Isabeau's confession at the tree again after this!! There's a secret achiegvemt you can get :)

  • @Medibeans
    @Medibeans 5 месяцев назад +7

    pain. agony even (i’m INSANE over this)

  • @Cool_Name_12
    @Cool_Name_12 5 месяцев назад +10

    Let's go!! This is my favourite playthrough of this game!

  • @Ruminations09
    @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +6

    I must have misread your hiatus announcement, because for some reason I wasn't expecting y'all to return until next week, so this was a very unexpected and pleasant surprise to see in my recommended.
    I'm genuinely loving how much you two are in sync with Sif. Allison, in particular, is echoing a lot of the same reactions I had when I played the game myself. On a couple occasions, I found myself inventing jump scares that just straight up weren't in the game in much the same way Allison did during the confession scene.
    I also really enjoyed the theorizing you two did in the room with the orrery. Obviously not going to comment on the content of the theories themselves, but I wanted to just let you know that tangets like that where you take a step away from progression to just *talk* are always appreciated.
    I mentioned this in the last episode, but I have an very gentle nudge for something optional that I would love y'all to see next episode - I won't spoil the event itself, just how to trigger it. But as always, please feel free to ignore my hints if you want to maintain a fully blind run. This is the last time I'll bring it up, I promise.
    (Spoiler guard)
    Try talking to Isa at the tree before you talk to Loop

  • @icono_cat
    @icono_cat 5 месяцев назад +3

    OKAY HOLD ON. i just reached the part where you mention the eleventh hour. and i'd like to point out that euphrasie the head housemaiden bears a *very* striking resemblance to a certain god of time from that arc of the adventure zone, and that the mental scars left behind by the erasure of a place from the world's memory are reminiscent of the effects of the voidfish. i don't think it's too far a reach to name one of the artistic inspirations here

  • @gabrote42
    @gabrote42 5 месяцев назад +7

    8:50 FURIOUS! Man thsese are becomind common
    8:52 *HEARTBEAT*
    13:24 *_HEARTBEAT_*
    13:25 So nonchalant! That has to be something extremely sus right there
    14:36 For being his only alternate armor, it does NOT disappoint. Faith heals and creates willpower
    17:35 I have not seen it so let's hope it's not the case
    20:14 On the one hand, any two consciousnesses tend to deviate rapidly from each-other due to small changes in perspective or stimuli. And even echo chambers have their own sound in their degenerate patters of interference (listen to the sound of someone sitting in a rooom and recording a recording of their voice, it's on YT). On the other, a lot of self loathibg can come from hearing your own ideas expressed to you. Tough
    24:47 I suppose it's easier than asking it to modify you so you can express your problems in a way that garners sympathy and companionship, or modifying humanity to be more receptive. Seems like a bad wish to make tho.
    27:31 *HEARTBEAT*
    27:34 I have never seen one used, but i have seen half a dozen on display in my lifetyme
    29:19 WAIT. WHEN DID WE GET A SKILL CALLED "Just attack"??? I MISSED IT! What does it do?
    29:22 Ah, ultra strong AoE with no jackpot point, so you can use it while charging the paper or rock ones
    32:58 It's sonsad that even when they can recogize the language, and the meaning, they cannot think it. It's like if each text said "[This phrase says that writer purchased expensive groceries]" and [MYCOUNTRYNAME minus letters 2 and 7]". A draft. Ouch.
    37:02 *HEARTBEAT*
    40:33 Cuckoo!
    44:05 Man... I know techniques to induce crying, but they require childhood memories or outside implements. What an unenviable position
    45:43 Mini spoilers: This is a hint. You gotta do *HEARTBEATS* in front of Odile for a special scene. All of them. And there are a few you haven't done. Also, MAN forgetting the name of your family SUCKS. I already forgot the voices of my grandparents
    47:02 Interface to the rescue...
    48:50 Don't look at a gift horse in the mouth. You're being hugely competent, and a swell dude. Mostly. Hope is the last thing to die. *Insert Wayne June quote*
    53:27 Just like a Shu Takumi game. Man, I miss the days of "Make Up The Time" openers
    57:05 As we said, Odile is perceptive. I think this is the dialogue for getting half the *HEARTBEATS*
    57:30 I never understood why people went "do you worst". Is that a way to say "please fail"? I usually say "do your best" even if it's an opponent
    57:31 *HEARTBEAT*
    58:51 *AFRAID* . Well, he is not that strong if your guard isn't down. Just AMS and you're golden
    1:00:09 He still reveals that he knows. But in a Toriel kinda way. Ouch.
    1:02:12 And homestuck, and orthogonal. That Sif attack hurts. But it will jurt mlre when he gets over it from exposure therapy
    1:03:47 Just Attack does not break your jackpot streak
    1:10:07 Man, he's been thinking innstage directions all loop. Ouch
    1:18:57 AAAAAAAAAAA
    1:19:18 *AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!* Saying yes is not a lie. He has no other memories to be happy _in_ ! Ouch
    1:21:18 "Keep expecting the bad and the world will answer. Think the sickness worsens and your body will work to make you correct. Kick a stone and the avalanche shall follow it. If you wish for the fair suitor to propose, then welcome him with open arms!". -me, right now. Or you could use the classic "Those who desire injury find it in no short supply" - Wayne June
    1:22:28 The Universe is not responsible here. Siffrin's own integrity, and his acting skills, broke before the awkwardness did. Had to do it earlier. Now it's too late. Who even knows if he's the one Isa fell in love with anymore? He can fall again, but for that Siffrin needs to be honest, truthful, and courageous.
    1:22:54 "Using save states for shinies is like renting a girlfriend" -unknown commenter with an anime girl profile picture, comment section of a Karl Jobst video. I am very quotational today
    1:24:32 FAIL STATE REACHED. *AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH!*
    1:26:03 So hurts. I think even Sif forgot how to look normal. That memory is so OP but also very tragic that the development of that is doomed. Expect fanfics to ignore this memory.
    1:27:39 Good attempt at using the 3 secokds of awareness she gets before being overwritten

  • @02miguener99s
    @02miguener99s 5 месяцев назад +10

    1:23:00 this moment makes me genuinely sick to my stomach, I didn't realize how manipulative the whole confession thing was from a loopers perspective until I saw for the first time, there is also an element of self deprecation from Sif there, but it genuinely made feel guilty for wanting the confession to happen during the loops
    Edit: I don't really think making sure the confession happens is necessarily manipulative, but at the very least it FEELS like it is from a loopers perspective

    • @paulomatute4114
      @paulomatute4114 5 месяцев назад +3

      I mean, is making sure you aren't interrupted a manipulative thing?

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@paulomatute4114 It is when everyone else around you has their mind wiped on every failed attempt, and each time you work to get closer and closer to your "perfect" conversation, yes.
      That's not to say Sif is correct here - they are absolutely being way too hard on themselves - but it's quite understandable where they're coming from and why they feel disgusted with themselves for their actions.

    • @02miguener99s
      @02miguener99s 5 месяцев назад +2

      ​​​@@paulomatute4114I don't necessarily think that Sif is manipulating Isabeau, after all Isabeau clearly loved Siffrin before the loops started, it's not like he is forcing him to feel a certain way and the confession would maybe happen if he wasn't interrupted, but as a looper Siffrin does have knowledge about his family members that they don't remember revealing to him, he can change the way things happen exactly how he wants and make genuine moments ocurr again, in a way he does have some power over their lives during the loops and that can damage the dynamic of this relationships, because to one the moment is real and new, but to sif is more just a scene that'll get reset, it really sours everything between them, and I imagine it would make interactions -specially romantic ones- feel like one side of the party lacks the capacity to fully consent, of course I don't think the party would feel that they are/were being manipulated, but to Sif it pretty much feels that way, and as the player that made sure those moments happen as I wanted them to, it made me feel that way too!

    • @CaitlinMagness
      @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@02miguener99syeah, I certainly don’t see how it’s inherently manipulative, but once Siff passes the point of “stuff you might reasonably know, predict or infer even if you weren’t stuck in a time loop,” it does get a bit uncomfy and weird and it’s cool how the game examines that
      that said, I don’t expect Siffrin to *not* act on their knowledge (especially when they can’t even remember what they’re supposed to know and not know). It’s just that, at this point, their goal has shifted from “Help Isabeau say what he wants to say” to “Get Isabeau to fucking say the thing.” A subtle difference, but a devastating one

  • @CheeseCake4Not
    @CheeseCake4Not 5 месяцев назад +6

    I hope you had a good break. Your playthroughs have become a staple in my relaxation time, glad to have you back :D

  • @SorwestChannel
    @SorwestChannel 5 месяцев назад +4

    Oh boy! I can't wait to see how Sif suffers this time around! 😂😂
    I really love this series and your commentary

  • @peachstar5789
    @peachstar5789 5 месяцев назад +26

    If you can go though the house again and try to act as suspicious as possible and interact with all of the stuff that mentions Wish Craft . Also do Odile’s quest thing but talk to the girl to skip all the running around. After you beat the King talk to Odile you’ll get something new

    • @benpalmer1583
      @benpalmer1583 5 месяцев назад +9

      If you want more details on how to do this:
      One of the best ways to be suspicious is to pick up all your old equipment along the way

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +6

      Maybe I'm being a bit too high strung about this, but I feel like if you're going to lay out, step by step, how to complete a side quest, you should at least preface it with a spoiler warning so those playing the game can choose to ignore it and continue playing blind if they'd prefer. It would be a different thing if they specifically asked for advice on how to progress with a quest, but they didn't.

    • @calvinbarbanell2449
      @calvinbarbanell2449 5 месяцев назад +2

      you forgot to mention the time craft books, also both required for this quest.

  • @CaitlinMagness
    @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +9

    yes Odile carries a nice roll of 4-ply toilet paper on her at all times, this is canon now (low-ply paper gives her hemorrhoids)

  • @ThePiachu
    @ThePiachu 5 месяцев назад +3

    The game is starting to get more and more interesting! I was wondering if this will ever reach Start Again level of "I don't even remember their names". I still find it hard to think it will reach that since all the NPCs keep calling out one another's names all the time, but I'm thrilled to see how it will pan out!
    As for this being a sequel to the Prologue and Sif making a copy of Sif... There isn't anything to contradict that theory, but there also isn't really anything to support it... You'd have to create a copy of Sif but not in the current loop but at the start of the loops so he's not jaded and cynical from the start.
    As for the confession, man I was waiting for it so long! I do wonder though if anything would be different if you got to it in an early loop and chapter...

  • @paulomatute4114
    @paulomatute4114 5 месяцев назад +4

    There sure is a lot of emphasis on "everything is over when Sif talks to the Head Housemaiden" for not having the option to not talk to her and leave, wonder what in universe reason there is, could Sif in theory say to his family "I don't want to talk to her lets just leave"

  • @starlesscitiess
    @starlesscitiess 5 месяцев назад +4

    haha i missed y’all and was just rewatching the sasasap playthrough to top up so this came just in time!!

  • @lordk.gaimiz6881
    @lordk.gaimiz6881 5 месяцев назад +4

    I think i really should watch start again huh? I didn't know about this game and thought start again was just a demo type of thing, but i think i should go and take a look...
    As others have already said, this game is fucking amazing and your VA is top notch, so thank you for this wonderful time ^^

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +3

      Start Again was in some ways a proof of concept for what became In Stars and Time, but it's also it's own game that stands by itself. It's also very short (only around 3 hours), so you should definitely check it out!

    • @lordk.gaimiz6881
      @lordk.gaimiz6881 5 месяцев назад

      @@Ruminations09 i see, thx bud ^^

  • @hypoconductor
    @hypoconductor 5 месяцев назад +5

    Welcome back! (Painful)

  • @smokewthedevil
    @smokewthedevil 5 месяцев назад +5

    praying to the change god or the universe or whatever that they choose '...'

  • @phoenixcoffee9343
    @phoenixcoffee9343 5 месяцев назад +5

    We're so back bb!!!!!

  • @kchgamer1788
    @kchgamer1788 5 месяцев назад +1

    1:02:31 gotta love a certain reference to a certain group of boys

  • @monsteradandelion5206
    @monsteradandelion5206 5 месяцев назад +2

    omg welcome back!!!

  • @smokewthedevil
    @smokewthedevil 5 месяцев назад +2

    WERE BACK LETS GOO

  • @MelaStarrata
    @MelaStarrata 5 месяцев назад +3

    We're so back

  • @YarnJam
    @YarnJam 5 месяцев назад +3

    Heck yeah! (😔)

  • @CaitlinMagness
    @CaitlinMagness 5 месяцев назад +1

    baller

  • @writing-ace-club
    @writing-ace-club 5 месяцев назад +3

    I don’t think Time craft is real, just something Sif suggested while Wish craft is real.
    Also. The story is hurting so good! Your voice work really sells it!

    • @02miguener99s
      @02miguener99s 5 месяцев назад

      I think Time craft is real thanks to Wish craft, like Time craft is refering to how the craft is used, while the actual type of craft is Wish craft

  • @monsteradandelion5206
    @monsteradandelion5206 5 месяцев назад

    35:51 sounds like whatever wish happened, it took away both the Island AND colours?

    • @Cool_Name_12
      @Cool_Name_12 5 месяцев назад +11

      The creator has confirmed that whatever took out the island is different than what ever took out color.

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +4

      I can see why you would think this, but it's important to keep in mind how people talk about the island vs how they talk about colours.
      The disappearance of the island happened in living memory. Well, not "memory", but you know what I mean. People in game were alive when it happened. Bonnie doesn't remember it - they were either too young or not yet born - but they mention that their sister does remember it. She told Bonnie that it was all anyone in Bambouche could talk about for weeks. Odile, Mira, and Isa also mention remembering the commotion that was caused when people realized something had happened to their memories of that place. And for Sif, as he reveals when reading the letter of running away, the disappearance of the island happened WHILE they had run away from home.
      In general, while nobody can remember anything *about* the island, everyone is aware that *something* happened to the island.
      In contrast, colours are a totally foreign concept to everyone. Isa - who is very well studied - had literally never even heard of colours until you find the book on them in the secret library. It's mentioned that colours were discovered not by anyone remembering them, but by historians who found mention of them from LONG ago.
      In other words, the thing that happened to the island is very recent. The thing that happened to colours is quite ancient.

  • @Pinkfifi3
    @Pinkfifi3 5 месяцев назад +4

    WHILE IN ACT FOUR U GOTTA INTERACT WITH UR SILVER COIN UNTIL U GET A SPECIAL EVENT, IT UNLOCK A SCENE WITH LOOP AT THE VER END, I CANT REMEMBER IF U DID IT ALREADY ? (Posting this before watching the video)

    • @WD_Gaster66
      @WD_Gaster66 5 месяцев назад +5

      They already did this yes

    • @Pinkfifi3
      @Pinkfifi3 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@WD_Gaster66phew, I remember feeling quite annoyed realizing I missed doing it on my first play through

    • @Ruminations09
      @Ruminations09 5 месяцев назад +3

      They did that in Act 3.
      Also, I would strongly encourage you not to say things like this without a spoiler guard, because, to be honest, that is a massive spoiler.
      You don't need to explain what the consequences of a thing are to nudge them into doing it.

    • @WD_Gaster66
      @WD_Gaster66 5 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah I'd recommend deleting it

    • @Pinkfifi3
      @Pinkfifi3 5 месяцев назад

      @@Ruminations09 I understand that, but I know sometime there are people who won't guess something like that ?? If I didn't know where to go to get said scene on my second playthrough, I wouldn't have gotten it tbh