Single Steel vs Stacked Steel 💥Bonus round at the end.💥
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OK we wanted to do a test on mild steel plates to see which was stronger. Solid Steel or Stacked Steel with a fun bonus round at the end. So a good friend put all this together for us to test out, and we used a solid 3/4" piece, two 3/8" steel plates spaced 3/8" apart, and three 3/8" plates spaced 3/8" apart.
All steel was a mild steel, not AR500 sorry maybe next time. All material was donated by a very good friend. Thanks brother.
We used Yugo 50 cal ball rounds shot out of a M2HB (Ma Duece) 50 cal and the results were not what I expected.
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You always do some crazy stuff, I have an interesting idea about some armor tests
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The mass of the plate makes the biggest difference if the round is harder than the plate, if the round is softer than the plate it's mostly the yield of the plate material.
Typically a hard outer layer backed solidly with a softer but higher yield support material works best. The military likes ceramic backed by aluminum for maximum protection to weight ratios
A layer like this (where the first layer is harder than the projectile) often causes the projectile to shatter or at least deform then a space for the pieces to spread out before hitting a 2nd stack is most effective. The more space the better. This increased space works well at reducing the effectiveness of high explosive rounds as well
You guys have way too much fun! Much jealous!
Thanks, we do have fun for sure.
Make a layered assembly with marbles in the center.
Ceramics or silicon carbide/boron carbide, will absolutely stop all of them in a triple plate configuration.
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I would like to see you guys collaborate with Demolition Ranch , that would be great .
Some day
71502 um where can I drive this tank your talking about?
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You should try a stack with lexan in the middle
A ceramic tile would work better. Having layers of glass and lexan works the same way - glass or ceramic blunts the projectile giving more area to carry the load.
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Military spaced armor has 2 types. 2 pieces without angle with decent distance is for shaped charges.
Against kinetic the outer plate needs to be angled and far enough away that the projectile isnt touching anything and can tumble.
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Good that I can understand u. My grammar sucks but good that I dont have to wait until Zebra translate the video.
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The ricochets are way too close for me. Please be careful
One shot and laboratory stand full annihilation!
layered armor is mostly 1 ultra hard layer to break the bullet into pieces and the rest is for stopping the bits... if you try AR500 in 10mm and a stack of 5mm AR500 and 2x 2,5mm mild steel... you could probably already see a difference.... (scale up as needed for .50cal) also if you double the distance between the layers you should be able to further decrease penetration.
Regarding your "reactive armor" i dont think tannerite is suitable for that. the pressurewave has to destroy the bullet before hitting the actual steel armor... to my knowledge tannerite isnt that fast => bullet already behind the charge when it detonates => increasing the damage to the target.
But i think you could try to build a shaped charge out of tannerite and a copper cone and try that vs the spaced armor.
Reactive armor😂 more like explosive armor😱😂👏👍👍 loved it.
Lol, yep
That was awesome..
It'll be cool to show the effect of slanted armor if the range allows. Take a flat piece of steel and slowly angle it more until it stops it. maybe with a 308 or something instead of the 50
It’s our own private range so we can👍
@@GoingBallistic I think it would be an awesome experiment!!
Spaced armor is actually better against chemical munitions such as HE, HEAT, HEATFS, and pretty much any round with some sort of explosive filler. When talking about tank armor you must also talk about tank munitions. In WWII, one of the most common round used for both anti bunker and anti armor purposes were armor piercing he explosive, which contained an explosive charge that would only explode if enough armor had been hit. For example, a Tiger I's 8.8 cm cannon firing at a lightly armored vehicle like the M8 greyhound or the M18 Hellcat would most likely not detonate the explosive charge. Both vehicles would still take a decent amount of damage from the spalling from both the round and the armor, however these rounds perform best when it goes through enough armor that the explosive charge detonates. If the same 8.8 cm shot a sherman, that round would enter the fighting compartment and explode turning anyone in there into mush. However, spaced armor actually helps against these kind of rounds if the first layer is enough to trigger the round's fuse, which would cause the round to detonate before it reaches the inside of the tank removing most of its penetration power. This also works against chemical munitions stated earlier, such as HE rounds, HEAT, HEATFS, and more. Any warhead with a HE filler will often detonate after hitting the first layer of armor, weakening its penetration power. Rounds with no HE filler such as solid shot, APDS, and APFSDS don't have that disadvantage and can typically go clean through spaced armor. However there is a caveat, if the space between the first plate and the second plate is larger than the length of a APFSDS round, it could cause the round to become unstable and break apart. This is further supported if the first and second plate are angled and of adequate thickness. This has been done on MBTs such as the German Leopard 2A5 on the turret cheeks. In summary, spaced armor is effective against explosive rounds but not as effective against solid rounds. This was a valid test though, and does prove that a .50 just doesn't give a single fuck lol. But in all seriousness, the best effective spaced armor will be spaced much more than what was tested, which also makes it impractical as body armor or deployable barricades/shields/etc, however are very useful for armored vehicles as it helps against explosive munitions and can be spaced much more as it is being moved by an engine rather than 2 weak legs lol. If you want a pretty good example, the German's Panzer IIIs, IVs, and Panther tanks had somewhat weak side armor where the tracks were, thin enough that the soviet anti tank rifles could go through them and damage components and injure/kill crew. This was solved by adding what they call Schürzen, thin steel plates around the tanks, (link to an example wotbase.ru/wp content/uploads/3024de929674_C430/0ussaybm.jpg of the Panzer IV's Schürzen) which was enough to stop the soviets AT rifles from penetrating and also helped against their shaped charged weapons and such.
What a bullcrap, u guys stop with this spaced armor.is better, it was just proved its not and they still putting up some bs theories do defend their statement
@@Angry-Lynx Its better against chemical munition, i never said its better for small arms fore and such. With small arms fire and body armor its much less effective as spaced armor is most effective when the spacimg is more than the length of the bullet or round fired at it. So because of this, spaced armor is less practical. Did you even read what I said? Also testing on mild steel plates with .50 bmg does not scale up to vehicle's armor and rouns much bigger than a .50 cal. The only thing this test proved is how stupid people can be assuming one video is 100% all the evidence needed to prove spaced armor doesnt work. This video is good, and does show the downsides of spaced armor for certain applications such as smaller scale things like body armor as it would be very impractical to use effectively spaced plates as body armor if you look at it from that prospective. You should always take videos like this with a grain of salt. I personally think this video was fairly unbiased and I trust this channel. However to think spaced armor is worse is actually retarded because militaries around the world have been using it since WWII. Like I said,, In small scale applications,spaced armor is worse, however for armored vehicles its practic and often better for what they need as vehicles are often hit by chemical warheads.
🤣🤣 Your _"Reactive Armor"_ caused even more damage to the Base Armor... The OPPOSITE of its intended purpose. Bubba engineering at its finest.
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Lol, yeah Totally didn’t work. 👍🇺🇸😂
Check out Demolition Ranch and Edwin Sarkissian, they have both done similar tests
I was hoping to see something like this.
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How bout some ceramic or glass in the void? Snugged up no void
That was great!
Your welcome
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Thank you very much
Generally speaking the gap is usually the length of the projectile. Tank armor has angled internal plates to cause the round to tumble, and lose its energy that way. But the gap you have is too small to allow the round to deflect and tumble sideways, allowing it to transfer more energy into the rear plates.
Compare stacked vs spaced....same steel, same rounds!!!
I'm surprised you didn't put the 3/4" plate in front of the double plate to finally stop the bullet.
We just did a video with triple stacked armor. It should be out next week.
@@GoingBallistic Hehe, now that's more like you m8.
I hope to see your channel right up there with Edwin and Jeff.
So good! Should do more of blowing shit up haha
I have to disagree with you, the reactive armour reacted perfectly, it didn't do any protection but the reaction was perfect.
Great video and thank you for making it.
Thanks for the comment, can you explain some more?👍
The reactive armour reacted in a reactive manner in relation to the chemically reactive driven projectile, thus caused the human reaction of having a bloody good giggle and the table reaction of requiring maintenance and repair.
Or layman's terms.
You shot the can,
The can went bang,
You laughed till you pood,
And your table is screwed.
@@weldingbiker1 Damn, just spit out my drink reading that comment!!!!
Would you suggest that for personal protection?
Just asking for a "friend".
Overreactive armor if you will. My favorite kind.
Super awesome lol. I think maybe u need to go back to the drawing boards on the "reactive armor"
Thanks, and yep you are correct, lol
Thanks for clearing up all of these myths!
Happy to help, the results surprised us.
Keep at it. I like you guys wayyyy better than the folks at taofladomaus.
Well thank you
Thanks for doing this comparison. I've often wondered if a bullet would more easily penetrate spaced wood/steel vs. solid (assuming the same overall thickness of material). And FINALLY someone has done the comparison. Thanks for that!
Your welcome, we will do this again but with AR500 or 550👍
cool,ку от Зёбры)
Финалочка огонь🔥!
Are they of the same spec, outside of thickness?
Hey hey hey!!!!
Please don't say that!
Even if you measure it in C 3000 is not enough to immediately melt metal of such thicknesses.
It is only the speed. Read about it!
It gets close to 8-9 km/s. And SPREADS THE ARMOR RATHER THAN MELTS IT.
Don't you understand it! That's the reason why reactives stop bullets because they explode with 7-10 times the speed of a bullet and it doesn't make it through
Science is cool !!!
Yes it is👍
Hey Chris, do a concrete baracade with every .50 cal round imaginable!!
Cool idea
Tannerite is too slow an explosive to work as reactive armor. Mil-spec explosive reactive armor uses plastic explosive for the filler layer.
And you're right that ERA is intended to work against shaped charge warheads. You're not right about the shaped charge melting the copper liner, though. There was a test years ago where they (carefully!) sawed a shaped charge warhead into strips, then clamped it back together and fired it into a water tank. What was on the bottom of the water tank was strips of copper!
Yugoslavian ammo..... was a interesting countrie official communistic but they used a Browning M2 , MG 3 and PKP as infantry tools
on top of that they used US fighter planes and Russian ones too.
I might have to find some of that Yugo ball myself. I have a bunch of LC 52 ball I have been shooting.
Awesome slow mo guys
Curiously some years back I saw a NASA documentary that showed how Much better multiple spaced plates were than a single heavey plate at stopping micro meteorites.
Though they used roughly from memory something like 6 or 7 plates. In their example I believe part of the effect was the micro meteorite breaking up and scattering reducing it's penetration power.
That is a magnificent machine gun.
It would look great in my lounge room.👌
Right, I sad the same thing but my buddy said no.
@@GoingBallistic It would be worth a fortune.
It would be interesting to stack 3 or 4 plates at a slight angle, maybe 15 or 30 degrees each - first at a 30 degree angle, second at 0, then third at 330 etc. And as Travis mentioned, a bullet length apart. Cool shot with Tannerite!
Budget cuts? Never a good thing friends.
That was just a joke. A good friend who owns the 50 cal also brought all the steel and rounds to shoot. We will do an AR500 video with AP rounds
@@GoingBallistic ahhhh! Ok then!
You need 1” spacing minimum for it to matter. The air gap needs to be large enough to allow bullet to yaw.
Can see the out line of the can
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That plate has Nelson studs on it. Did someone stop by a construction site and pick up some anchor plates? Lol, I won’t tell.
Bro dam can left a mark like the bombs in Hiroshima left the human marks not sure if you guys can see it its almost as if though it got airbrushed on there that was cool
I see bullet penetration test I instantly like,subscribe and click the bell good work king keep it up
A night shot with the incendiary rounds into a car to show off how huge the fire balls are !!!!!!
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but without the plates would it knock a track off of a tank?
RUclips hates channel like this... sadly
funny how you keep mentioning Edwins name when the bullet is hot
Good video , thank you for your work! Привет от Zёбры!)) Like for Browning!!!
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Those. 50 ap rounds arent playing
Damn.. im surprised with the damage from the tannerite! Thanks guys.
Us as well.
Get that guy a helmet with a shield, it's all fun and games till someone looses an eye, it hit his truck again. Ballistics has nothing to do with luck. You guys got two different 50s, go for distance how do these two compare. What do these things do say at 200 yards. How do they compare. Good science interesting things to look at. It would be nice to see what the shooter sees, What he saw on the bonus round from his angle was awesome (I'm sure), his face was priceless. Thank you
Thanks for the comment, good info.
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4:57 Did you say Justin Cindiary? Is that his last name? Do you call him Cindy?
LOL, Umm No thats not his last name.
Budget cuts is why the Yugo rounds have that mild steel core, its cheaper then lead.
Good point
Is it possible to face-harden the mild steel ? 🤔
It'd be interesting to have the plates spaced at just one edge (and touching at the other), so it forms a zigzag. I suspect that the slight angle might make the plates harder to punch through. If you had more than 2 zigzagging then it seems like the bullet would tumble and lose energy to horizontal movement.
Thanks for the idea.
Great to see Ma Deuce firing those 50's, the rightful home of the .50 Caliber.
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И снова отличное видео, огромное спасибо за интересное зрелище.
You should try hit it in an angle to see what rounds can pierce The plates, Just saying.
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Just got notification of this video, four days later!🤔 sucks but another great video, thanks!!
Ya just got to love RUclips.
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I wish I lived in America, you guys get to do fun things with guns! Never change America, never change
Thanks, come on over and we will take you to the range
Ahaha now that everyone who was saying spaced is more effective and was proved wrong now come up with another bs theories like it needs to be that and that , and angle and blablabla its hilarious 😂
Are you dense? I get i already responded to your reply on my comment, but I decided to reply here as well. For spaced armor to be effective against kinetic munitions the spacing has to be more than the length of the projectile. Spaced armor is most effectivel at stopping chemical munitions as the first plate will detonate the charge and reduce the effectiveness of the round. Spaced armore has been used on vehicles since WWII by ever major power and is still in use. These are not theories, just facts. For anyone who might read this, rake these kinds of videos with a grain of salt.
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Sure, it would be more difficult to keyhole through the 2nd plate if the bullet starts to flip, but how do you know it turn enough to matter in only the space of the length of one bullet?
I tend to doubt it would turn much at all in that amount of space. Many people have put up multiple targets to see how the bullet flips and every one I have seen keyholed after like 5 or 6 inches. I am not saying you are wrong, just that it doesn't make sense to me given what I have seen. Have you seen something that covers this? Can you link it? If not, maybe you should make it.
@@azchris1979 For small arms I am not sure if it has quite the same effect as it does with APFSDS fired from cannons. Look up the Leopard 2a5 and check out ifs turret cheek armor, ifs got two pyramid like plates that has a large air gap between its front and rear where it attaches to the Leo's turret. It is around 80mms thick and the gap is longer than most APFSDS rounds. The reason for this massive gap of air rather than layers of composite armor was because when an APFSDS round penetrated the front and entered the air gap, it lost stability and shattered when hitting the main armor of the turret. This made it immune to any APFSDS round that was shorter than that air gap. It has been tested and it does work and its quite impressive. Of course in small scales like body armor its impractical because you would end up with a fairly thick plate due to a big airgap between the two and bullets behave completely different as they are made of soft lead (sometimes with a hard penetrator core) rather than tungsten or depleted uranium, the two most common materials used for APFSDS. The shape also makes a difference too.
@@PilotTed
I looked at every link on the first page of my search engine. The most detailed description was in fighting-vehicles.com/leopard-2a5-tank/
but it didn't say anything about shattering and all that. I have seen video of Iraqi tanks with an exit hole the same size as the entry hole through the turret armor and that has the entire inner area of the turret as an "airgap."
This video appear to show a sabot going through both sides no problem.
ruclips.net/video/KU0_9ika42o/видео.html&ab_channel=TankNutDave
The only source that I saw that said what it was for was a video game site, so I don't know how reliable it is:
wiki.warthunder.com/Leopard_2A5
but it said, "Add-on armour boosts the ability to protect against HEAT-FS and early ADFSDS rounds." To me, it would make more sense that it protects against HEAT rounds because the shaped explosive charge in the projectile is designed to detonate at a certain distance to be maximally effective. Even those metal grates on vehicles protect them from the RPG shaped charge.. Again, I am not saying you are wrong; just that I couldn't find it and what I did find went against it.
@@azchris1979 the reason the turret cheeks of the Leo 2a5 works against the early darts was because both the first plate it hits is thick and well angled, and the second plate is thick and very well angled. Also that video game, War Thunder, is supposed have realistic armor physics and such and the owner, Gaijin, is a Russian company that does research into tanks and aircrafts to put in their game and for the most part they get the vehicles fairly historically accurate. Though they also have gotten things wrong and should be replied on as much as wikipedia, so basically take it with a grain of salt. Also HEATFS is not meant to explode at a certain distance, they explode on impact which is why spaced armor works so well against chemical munitions as they tend to explode when hitting the first plate or grate or what ever they used and detonate. If its a shaped charge like HEAT, the stream has to pass through that first plate, then the lair of air (which typically causes it to dissipate over time) and finally hitting the second plate. For most small shaped charge munitions that gap of air was sufficient to cause it to lose enough energy that it fails to go through the second layer. Back to kinetic munitions, sufficient air gaps do have an effect on darts though if both plates are flat the effect is minimal. When the first plate is angeled well and the second plate is angeled well, the effect is much greater, and caused many early darts to shatter. In the case of the Leo 2a5, the second plate is also backed up by a lot, and I mean a lot of composite armor, enough to stop many of the existing Darts at the time. I think if you want to find out more you should search up The Chieftain, as he is incredibly intelligent in the history of military ground vehicles.
I'm wondering if a pork butt will set off incendiary or some kind of meat .
Hey I just subbed to you for your playlist. Have you seen In range and Forgotten weapons testing ww2 German and Russian explosive rounds on b gel? They put some bones in some of the gel too. I don't know what a .50 would do. But it would be cool to see if it would work or not. Good suggestion.
The incendiary round on the double plate blew the cross brace of the angle iron off upon its non penetrating impact. Great video 👍💥
Thanks 👍
I love listening to the ricochet!!! LOL
That last shot was AWESOME man!
What do you think about 300 win vs 6.5 creedmore ?
I don't know, I've never shot either, but Who Tee Who would.👍
Depends entirely on what you're doing with them.
Creedmore is good for targets and nothing bigger than deer.
Winmag is better for big game like elk.
It's a machine gun, machine gun!
Wow. 2 things. 1 thank you, this is something I have always wondered, stacked or solid. And 2 I had no idea tanerite had that much punch. Great video. Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it
You're lookin pretty shredded in this video fir some reason bro
I had a girdle on holding back the blubber.. LOL 😂
Where's the Raufos rounds pimp stick? Did you run out?
Lol, working on several videos with some👍
Ya'll are coming up! keep the videos coming!!
Thanks 👍🇺🇸
Regardless, that was awesome at the end. Was very funny to see you plate stand turned into confetti.
Thanks 👍
I'm a day late and more than a dollar short
What would have happened if the explosive were a bit further away from the armour
Explosives quickly spread out their power with distance, thats the point of spaced armor against high explosive rounds
Instead of tannerite try Goex
If there’s another round of layered armor tests try adding paper to the spaces between the plates.
That sounds interesting
shoot thermobaric rpg7
Can you compare flat steel vs angled steel where they cover the same area and have the same weight?
Ya never know what we will try. That is a test we do need to do because when we have angled plates people complain we need them at 90 degrees, when we do 90 degrees people complain we need them slanted. We just can’t win 😜
wow that did some damage
That was just tannerite?
Yep, 1 pound. Pretty crazy stuff
Going Ballistic wouldn’t think it would bend that plate so much, that is crazy.
That was Awesome... thanks for the video...👍👌
Thanks 👍
Cool vid I always enjoy your videos', look foreword to the next one
Thanks 👍
New Armor idea using mild steel and ceramic floor tile - alternate stack 3 steel 2 tile, glue them together with constructive adhesive, try with steel 1st then try with tile 1st see what works better.
I also have an idea gluing sand in a mold to make a sheet using some thin glue in like a 1" deep brownie pan, stack that between ceramic plate and steel plate. If you are going down the home made armor ideas path. I have dozens of ideas you could use P-)
Thanks, great ideas, send them to ballisticsmasher@gmail.com and we just may try them.
The US military found a noticeable improvement to pure kinetic round penetration even from a thin painted on hardcoating. Since then standard steel military armor is face-hardened on the outward side for maximum stopping power for the weight
Great video, I hope you will try the same test with AR500 and AP rounds👍🇺🇸
Will do👍👍
@@GoingBallistic I made a target out of 3/8 AR500 and 1/2 lexan that I spaced about 3/8 apart. Got them off Amazon precut to 12". Lasted longer than the frame after a few hundred rounds of 7.62x54 ball and 5.56fmj. The lexan did break a corner off about 200 rounds in.
I think the difference will Start when the spacing between the plates is larger than the length of the bullet. It then starts to tumble and impact sideways, dumping more energy
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@@GoingBallistic AAAAAAND... if you would fill the space between the three plates completely with tannerite.... Who knows ;}