What a genius Doug is. He doesn't need to ask for cars anymore, with his page, people come to him and they can use the car for this kind of video reviews.
Another reason to review cars a second time, exactly why Doug has been completely biased lately with his website. No affordable cars for the past 3 months, excluding the weird Subaru he recently reviewed. He lost his touch with the market audience looking for reviews on new affordable cars! Is why Matt watson gained 200K followers!
@@RetroKingOG Doug’s business model has changed. He used to rely more on viewers for how successful his videos are. Now it’s all about how many cars he get sell on cars and bids. Not rocket science. He went from simple RUclipsr to business man
Not really, he is still doing 1 new car a week, and 1 "other" car a week. Cars & Bids get so many cool cars submitted why wouldn't you use the submission process to find cool cars to make videos with?
I really like how you go into technical details that set the CR apart from the regular model and stuff like vtec. It’s something Doug won’t really do in his videos, and he’s said it before. But I wish he did, however I really enjoy it here 👍🏼
When I first got my S2000CR the top squealed and rattled which really bothered me. I then took the top off and lubricated all contact points with silicone lubricant and all the squeaks went away. Now it drives and sounds like a refined sports car.
Your APB is a blueprint for how clean I want to restore mine. Mine was rough when I bought it, but slowly having time to restore it to its former glory.
I remember my s2000 when I first got it back in 2000. I cried when I had to sell that car during the crash in 08. Truly a wonderful driving car and in its later years I added a turbo and corn to make 620 to the wheels which made it a mad man on the highway.
In stock form it’s really easy to drive to its limits…. It’s an amazing car to confidently drive at its limit. True drivers car. I own an AP1 it’s a blast.
Which is the point, also it being slower as you can let loose without speeding too much. All the idiots mocking it for that miss the point. You cant enjoy super cars, hellcats or anything of such performance sort on the street. S2000 allows you to hoon in the city even, feel fast, and its what makes it fun.
A man imported a Lada Riva from Serbia to Chicago and is selling it. I just read in our daily newspaper. This is an extraordinary curiosity. Maybe an interesting car for cars and bids. It is currently with Serbian plates and is in factory condition. It has only 45,000 km. Also interesting for Doug's reviw. Lada in America Greetings from Serbia
Kind of overselling the mechanical differences of the CR and the AP2. Very few people keep the original springs/shocks on either car, and usually upgrade to coilovers. The only performance advantage the CR has is the CR wing, which doesn't create any downforce, but does reduce lift. A faster steering ratio also doesn't make steering more "precise". The CR doesn't weigh any less than an AP2. The CR is mechanically just an AP2 with the soft-top permanently removed.
I bought mine brand new in 2006 Berlina Black. Drove it like I stole it every chance I had. Did a few modifications throughout the years but the best thing I've ever done to the car is installing a set of Bilstein PSS9 coil overs. She's sitting in my garage with 203k miles :D
I would love to see a comparison video between the CR and the 350Z Nismo. They were on sale at the same time and have a similar ethos from each manufacturer.
For about 10 years, the engine in the S 2000 put out more horsepower per liter than any other engine in history until Ferrari came out with a bigger more powerful engine per liter later.
Good luck finding one that hasn't been beaten to death within an inch of its life. Most of these cars are wrecked, modified or "organ donors" (parts cars). Thanks for the review
Sitting in my 36k mile unmodified unwrecked '06 Laguna Blue reading this comment.. so glad I bought this 10 years ago. I don't think I'd have the patience to buy one in today's market.
The weight with the hardtop on is basically identical to a new modern brz/frs. I’m not sure if that’s applause for brz/frs, or thumbs down for S2000, but I thought it would be lighter
I had an '06 S2000, great car. Bipolar, it was either under-rev'd and lazy or a screaming banshee. Sold it to upgrade to an '00 NSX. The joke I tell about the difference is that the NSX is all the torque you wish the S2000 had for 4 times the price. For a long time I thought the Miata was redundant when you could buy an S2000, then I drove one. The main difference I found was that the Miata isn't bipolar like the S2000. All great cars, buy the best you can afford and enjoy.
Do you still have the nsx and can you go into detail about owning that. A lot of people on the s2000 fb page say that after owning both the s2000 is more fun than the NSX.
That's my concern with the car. If you want to get any decent power/enjoyment out it then you need to drive everywhere at like 8k RPM! lol I've driven an Si on tracks and it's fun trying to always keep the revs above 7k RPM to keep it 'in vtec', but can get a bit loud/obnoxious on the street... And if you don't get into 'vtec', then they're not MUCH faster than a 'regular' Civic! lol
Yeah, and if you can find a 'MazdaSPEED' Miata, then you get even more torque down at like 4k RPM thanks to the turbo! So you don't have to drive everywhere in 2nd gear with the engine screaming at 8k RPM to make the same power. lol
@@StreetPreacherr the best mod I ever did on my '06 was to reduce the VTEC engagement from 6K to 5100. It just smoothed out that whole 5-6K RPM range but also kept the car in VTEC after a shift if you were redlining it. Big credit to Mazda, I drove TFL's NC Miata and the power was linear and smooth all the way. Overall yeah it's less powerful than an S2000 but the balanced nature vs the S2000's bipolar nature was really nice.
Although the engine is really a double edged sword. It's lots of fun because of the high red line, but then you need to be driving everywhere SCREAMING at 8k RPM to get any decent power and enjoyment... So you risk appearing (sounding) a bit obnoxious by nearly never shifting past 2nd gear! lol
Owned one for 19 years, bought it for 32K new, sold it for 28K, and moved up to a 996 Porshe 4S for $35K; it is much faster, has top speed near 180 stops faster, and handles great. In addition, you don't have to shift like you driving on Adderal; gears have a wide range and are way smoother and roomier. Will say the Honda is nearly maintenance-free, but the Porsche doesn't depreciate much; it has appreciated well since 2019. Near 330 HP and a wheel drive with a wide body like the Turbo (and brakes) will keep you challenged for years.
Great video. As a long time AP1 driver, someday I would like to see an on track comparison between a AP1 and the CR. My question is, did all the suspension mods made to the CR give the car a significant edge over the AP1?
I test drove one of these in 2014 , $28k cad and only 30k kms. Couldn’t afford it at all but i wanted to test drive some cool cars. It was a fun roadster. They’re not fast but they sure look good rolling around.
If I was my age now then....but I was 14 at the time you bought it probably. I was born too late to get into BTC and a cheap new S2000....and too early to explore the stars 😢
Cars and Bids has a history of quietly deleting constructive comments when bidders call out issues with the seller or vehicle. This really limits my trust in the platform.
Honda could have sold a lot more of these had they given it enough power. But in typical Honda fashion, they calculated to the individual horsepower, the exact number needed to make the car move, and not a single horsepower more.
How would they have increased the power without losing what made the s2000 special though? They already put in the most powerful NA 2 liter engine in it. Either they could have boosted it, and lost the nature of the NA throttle response and revs, or put in a larger engine which would mess up the perfect weight distribution. Besides, anything more than about 300 hp and the car would lose it's perfect driving balance between handling and power.
@@alancrisp1582 I'm quoting Jesse from The Fast and the Furious before he throws down pinks and loses to Johnny Tran in his S2000. Guess nobody got it. ruclips.net/video/4fVtGCa01-M/видео.html&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dthis%2Bfool%2Bis%2Brunning%2Ba%2Bhonda%2B2000%26oq%3Dthis%2Bfool%2Bis%2Brunning%2Ba%26aqs%3Dchrome.0.0i512j69i57j0i390i650l2&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
The CR is the same, not quicker, not faster, not even better breaking than any other S2000 for the 10-year run, just a few graphics and aero kit that slows it more at lower speeds. You can learn about the car before you write an article after they have been out for 23 years.
Have you seen the CLOSE UP photos of that custom interior form the movie? It actually looks HORRIBLE! Like they used pink 'shag bathmats' for the upholstery! lol
Ahh yes the Honda S2000 CR…the car nobody originally wanted. And now nobody can afford 😂
Proves Doug's theory that the most valuable cars are the ones that no one wanted when new.
I wanted it, but I was just like 14 at the time....
Effectively nobody wanted the s2000 when new…P.S. I have 2, one for 20 years. I spent years looking for a an additional one, GPW delete CR.
What a genius Doug is. He doesn't need to ask for cars anymore, with his page, people come to him and they can use the car for this kind of video reviews.
Another reason to review cars a second time, exactly why Doug has been completely biased lately with his website.
No affordable cars for the past 3 months, excluding the weird Subaru he recently reviewed.
He lost his touch with the market audience looking for reviews on new affordable cars!
Is why Matt watson gained 200K followers!
We watch what is submitted to the site and reach out if we think something is super cool or special like this S2k.
@@RetroKingOG Doug’s business model has changed. He used to rely more on viewers for how successful his videos are. Now it’s all about how many cars he get sell on cars and bids. Not rocket science. He went from simple RUclipsr to business man
Not really, he is still doing 1 new car a week, and 1 "other" car a week. Cars & Bids get so many cool cars submitted why wouldn't you use the submission process to find cool cars to make videos with?
Really is brilliant, re-enforcing feedback loop @@carsandbids
I really like how you go into technical details that set the CR apart from the regular model and stuff like vtec. It’s something Doug won’t really do in his videos, and he’s said it before. But I wish he did, however I really enjoy it here 👍🏼
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
I haven't watched you since you were on Doug's channel. You are great on camera now and I LOVE the deep dive into the car's history. Nice work Kennan!
I appreciate that!
Kennan is really starting to find his stride now. Good work 👍
When I first got my S2000CR the top squealed and rattled which really bothered me. I then took the top off and lubricated all contact points with silicone lubricant and all the squeaks went away. Now it drives and sounds like a refined sports car.
Shinetsu grease is an S2000 owners friend. I haven’t owned one in years and I still have a tube of the stuff.
Mine does the same I thought about spraying WD40 😀 what do you think? Silicone is better?
@@ike7539 shinetsu grease is oem and lasts a whole helluva lot longer than wd40. Its worth the price
@@ike7539 WD40 is not a lubricant, it's a water displacer. Grease sticks around and doesn't evaporate or run off.
Love my Ap1 , after 19 yrs, it never gets old !
I've owned my AP2 since 2006. You've got me beat!
I am on year 14 with my S2000 CR. Still in love with it and this is after owning a 2004 as well.
That's a great buy.
@@carsandbids yes it was and I continue to drive it weekly and enjoy it!
Your APB is a blueprint for how clean I want to restore mine. Mine was rough when I bought it, but slowly having time to restore it to its former glory.
@@ApexClubRacer that’s awesome to hear! Good luck on the resto and let me know if you have any questions or need anything!
Love that the Suzuka Blue AP2 used as an example in this video is my car that I bought from cars and bids in 2022.
I remember my s2000 when I first got it back in 2000. I cried when I had to sell that car during the crash in 08. Truly a wonderful driving car and in its later years I added a turbo and corn to make 620 to the wheels which made it a mad man on the highway.
Would’ve bought one new if I could’ve afforded it at the time. Though I would’ve invariably sold it and regretted, so things worked out😂
If only i could get an oem hardtop for a price that wasn’t totally bonkers. I would consider driving year round in decent weather
In stock form it’s really easy to drive to its limits…. It’s an amazing car to confidently drive at its limit. True drivers car. I own an AP1 it’s a blast.
Which is the point, also it being slower as you can let loose without speeding too much. All the idiots mocking it for that miss the point. You cant enjoy super cars, hellcats or anything of such performance sort on the street. S2000 allows you to hoon in the city even, feel fast, and its what makes it fun.
2004 S2000 owner here~ (Owned for 7 years.)
Nice!
Timeless car 😮
A man imported a Lada Riva from Serbia to Chicago and is selling it. I just read in our daily newspaper. This is an extraordinary curiosity. Maybe an interesting car for cars and bids. It is currently with Serbian plates and is in factory condition. It has only 45,000 km. Also interesting for Doug's reviw.
Lada in America
Greetings from Serbia
Love the Lada. Saw lots of cool ones in Georgia (the country)
@@carsandbids A piece of junk with a soul🙂
Although I have seen thousands of them in Serbia, I would like to see, as Doug would describe it.
When was the last time Doug went outside of California to review a car?
Kind of overselling the mechanical differences of the CR and the AP2. Very few people keep the original springs/shocks on either car, and usually upgrade to coilovers. The only performance advantage the CR has is the CR wing, which doesn't create any downforce, but does reduce lift. A faster steering ratio also doesn't make steering more "precise". The CR doesn't weigh any less than an AP2. The CR is mechanically just an AP2 with the soft-top permanently removed.
I bought mine brand new in 2006 Berlina Black. Drove it like I stole it every chance I had. Did a few modifications throughout the years but the best thing I've ever done to the car is installing a set of Bilstein PSS9 coil overs. She's sitting in my garage with 203k miles :D
My friend has an AP1 S2000 that he lends to me to drive from time to time. Man, what a blast, it's such a fun car
They are super fun on a backroad.
I would love to see a comparison video between the CR and the 350Z Nismo. They were on sale at the same time and have a similar ethos from each manufacturer.
If we see a Nismo we would do a review.
For about 10 years, the engine in the S 2000 put out more horsepower per liter than any other engine in history until Ferrari came out with a bigger more powerful engine per liter later.
Love the s2000 cr! So rare to see these days
Good luck finding one that hasn't been beaten to death within an inch of its life. Most of these cars are wrecked, modified or "organ donors" (parts cars). Thanks for the review
Sitting in my 36k mile unmodified unwrecked '06 Laguna Blue reading this comment.. so glad I bought this 10 years ago. I don't think I'd have the patience to buy one in today's market.
The original S2k was an awesome drive. Bet that thing is glorious
Kennan LOVED it!
The weight with the hardtop on is basically identical to a new modern brz/frs. I’m not sure if that’s applause for brz/frs, or thumbs down for S2000, but I thought it would be lighter
It keeps amazing me that the simple removal of creature comforts like a/c INCREASES the value.
Lovely car though… but that wing, oh boy.
It's like Porsche, the less equipment the more expensive. Don't want a stereo system? That'll be an extra $5K!
993 turbo s with no sunroof.....1 MILLION DOLLARS!
I don't understand the high prices of standard S2K because there are so many for sale and often.
The market is adjusting back to reality.
If you're going to give spring rates in KG/mm can you subtitle them in lbs/in please? Like Doug does for the metric folks.
I had an '06 S2000, great car. Bipolar, it was either under-rev'd and lazy or a screaming banshee.
Sold it to upgrade to an '00 NSX. The joke I tell about the difference is that the NSX is all the torque you wish the S2000 had for 4 times the price.
For a long time I thought the Miata was redundant when you could buy an S2000, then I drove one. The main difference I found was that the Miata isn't bipolar like the S2000.
All great cars, buy the best you can afford and enjoy.
Do you still have the NSX?
Do you still have the nsx and can you go into detail about owning that. A lot of people on the s2000 fb page say that after owning both the s2000 is more fun than the NSX.
That's my concern with the car. If you want to get any decent power/enjoyment out it then you need to drive everywhere at like 8k RPM! lol I've driven an Si on tracks and it's fun trying to always keep the revs above 7k RPM to keep it 'in vtec', but can get a bit loud/obnoxious on the street... And if you don't get into 'vtec', then they're not MUCH faster than a 'regular' Civic! lol
Yeah, and if you can find a 'MazdaSPEED' Miata, then you get even more torque down at like 4k RPM thanks to the turbo! So you don't have to drive everywhere in 2nd gear with the engine screaming at 8k RPM to make the same power. lol
@@StreetPreacherr the best mod I ever did on my '06 was to reduce the VTEC engagement from 6K to 5100. It just smoothed out that whole 5-6K RPM range but also kept the car in VTEC after a shift if you were redlining it.
Big credit to Mazda, I drove TFL's NC Miata and the power was linear and smooth all the way. Overall yeah it's less powerful than an S2000 but the balanced nature vs the S2000's bipolar nature was really nice.
Although the engine is really a double edged sword. It's lots of fun because of the high red line, but then you need to be driving everywhere SCREAMING at 8k RPM to get any decent power and enjoyment... So you risk appearing (sounding) a bit obnoxious by nearly never shifting past 2nd gear! lol
Owned one for 19 years, bought it for 32K new, sold it for 28K, and moved up to a 996 Porshe 4S for $35K; it is much faster, has top speed near 180 stops faster, and handles great. In addition, you don't have to shift like you driving on Adderal; gears have a wide range and are way smoother and roomier. Will say the Honda is nearly maintenance-free, but the Porsche doesn't depreciate much; it has appreciated well since 2019. Near 330 HP and a wheel drive with a wide body like the Turbo (and brakes) will keep you challenged for years.
Great video. As a long time AP1 driver, someday I would like to see an on track comparison between a AP1 and the CR. My question is, did all the suspension mods made to the CR give the car a significant edge over the AP1?
Doug tought ya well...love that car
Wow. She is a beauty. What a car. Just love this version. So cool. X
It is for sale....
Kennan gimma those facts and figures!
I read this in a DMX voice.
I test drove one of these in 2014 , $28k cad and only 30k kms. Couldn’t afford it at all but i wanted to test drive some cool cars. It was a fun roadster. They’re not fast but they sure look good rolling around.
Hard to believe that this thing really sold for 96k!! 😨
Kenny out here waving like Forrest Gump
🤔 So ,and why not ?. He likes to be a friendly guy !..
Really enjoy your videos. 👍🏻🇺🇸
Thanks!
Ugh, I would make a throwaway bid on this if it was the blue one.
my wife's cousin has the same CR in yellow with less miles. interested to see what it goes for
Us too!
@@carsandbids 96K - pretty good haul
VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO
You know it.
I own small cars and I always felt claustrophobic in an S2k
Goddamn Kennan again.
🤫 Just calm down Karen and smell the petrol ⛽ fumes !!.
Sweet Jesus! It sold for $96K! 🤑
Yup!!!!
I bought one for thousands off sticker brand new off of the showroom floor .. time is a funny thing.
WOW!
If I was my age now then....but I was 14 at the time you bought it probably. I was born too late to get into BTC and a cheap new S2000....and too early to explore the stars
😢
Congratulations. It's your 50th time having a video on the S2000. Are u guy's running out of cars to do?
It is an S2K CR! It is cool!
Cars and Bids has a history of quietly deleting constructive comments when bidders call out issues with the seller or vehicle. This really limits my trust in the platform.
Email support@carsandbids.com and we can go from there.
Isn’t it 9000rpm (ap1) and 8400rpm (ap2)?
In the video you said 8800rpm and 8000rpm..
redline vs fuel cut
i enjoyed this
Is that parking lot in La Jolla??
The HP actually dropped to 237 when they switched to AP2. So…AP1 is technically more powerful than all (including the CR) AP2…
Honda could have sold a lot more of these had they given it enough power. But in typical Honda fashion, they calculated to the individual horsepower, the exact number needed to make the car move, and not a single horsepower more.
How would they have increased the power without losing what made the s2000 special though? They already put in the most powerful NA 2 liter engine in it. Either they could have boosted it, and lost the nature of the NA throttle response and revs, or put in a larger engine which would mess up the perfect weight distribution.
Besides, anything more than about 300 hp and the car would lose it's perfect driving balance between handling and power.
The first couple of 2024 C8 Corvette ERay are going to hold their value. Otherwise, it’s pretty much exotics and very unique low production vehicles.
i wish i had one
“This fool is running a Honda 2000.”
🤔 And ? Your point is exactly ??.
@@alancrisp1582 I'm quoting Jesse from The Fast and the Furious before he throws down pinks and loses to Johnny Tran in his S2000. Guess nobody got it.
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Is this the same one Doug reviewed?
They are not the same cars, but similar spec.
@@Brian_Eugene_Lee I reviewed the one your mom drives
All the squeaks and rattles does cheapen the experience.
The CR is the same, not quicker, not faster, not even better breaking than any other S2000 for the 10-year run, just a few graphics and aero kit that slows it more at lower speeds. You can learn about the car before you write an article after they have been out for 23 years.
No s2000 is worth over $30,000 dgaf if has 1 mile on the clock lol
2023 civic is worth 30k ? I don’t think so. I personally think any s2k clean stock worth over 40. They are that good my opinion
Nice but those cars had engine problems I think they were with the valves
GJ
S2ki
You lost me at "radio and a/c delete"
But the track times!
Too soon junior
:)
Suki's version is better
Have you seen the CLOSE UP photos of that custom interior form the movie? It actually looks HORRIBLE! Like they used pink 'shag bathmats' for the upholstery! lol
MOVIE MAGIC!
Ken looks better wearing black
Come on, who cares what the dude wears on his channel. This is not a fashion show !....
first comment
I scanned the entire universe and couldn't find a single being that cares.
The irony being that you cared enough to comment
That's a nice vehicle you have there.