Pleter M91: Croatia's High Quality STUzi
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The Pleter M91 is a simple design, but a high-quality one that was manufactured by a proper factory production line. The company making it was planning on (hoping for?) large-scale production, and they invested to proper polymer molds and other tools to make the gun. A total of about 4500 were made, making it the most-produced of the many Croatian domestic submachine guns.
Mechanically, the gun is most closely related to the Sten - which is clear when one sees the bolt. The magazine chosen was the Uzi magazine, and these were all chambered for 9mm. A small number were made with vented barrels and suppressors, but I don't have one of those to show you.
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The real reason Croatia attempted to make its own weapons is that there was an embargo on weapon imports for all ex Yugoslav countries. Considering Serbia had all the weapons and ammo it was a huge problem for Croatia as its only way to get some weapons was to smuggle it and overpay it significantly. Eventually Croatia managed to capture some military barracks and ammo depos and this way it got tanks, apc's, ammo etc
I've been meaning to find out what the motivation for this embargo was. It seems unproductive.
@@mattewj1268The idea behind it was that the conflict won't escalate if one side has no weapons to fight a war with. The irony is that the west put a weapons embargo on Croatia while supporting its independence and giving it official recognition almost immediately. The west was politically on Croatia's side while simultaneously hindering its ability to defend itself for whatever reason.
@@brunobegic3841 You mean to tell me the West plays cavalier with lives that aren't its own, and treats its nominal allies like trash? I, for one, am shocked.
@@matrix3509 It's pretty much always been that way throughout history
@@brunobegic3841 I remember hearing about the embargo on the news; the explanation was that the UN was 'trying to prevent escalation of violence'. When one side is already well armed, the result is about like telling a rape victim to relax and enjoy it. ☹
Croatians really do have cool firearms history for such a short period!
Well, croatians were always great engineers, from guns to cars
@@losos1 cars, I really doubt that (since all domestically designed cars failed really hard and those that were used most often were not from Croatia). Guns were mostly produced from necessity because of Arms embargo.
At least they got to produce nice-looking self-made guns,no?
@@madkoala2130 ummmm, Rimac? Like one of the most advanced electric supercars?
@@losos1 guy, that car is just Potemkin village and made out of parts that were not developed in Croatia (and also there is bunch of rumours on money laundering).
I am from little town Pleternica. I was kid when this was produced but remember that there was also a brochure for this weapon. My mother was working in this factory.
Proizvedeno u Hrvatskoj means - Made in Croatia. I was a kid when Homeland War started, I was 3 when it began, 7 when the ceasefire in '95 was made, and 10 when the peaceful reintegration of Croatian territories began. Since I lived near Vukovar, I remember having anti-air batteries in fields around my home. I remember three, but it was probably more. I have a vague recollection of things, and it is cool that you have several videos covering early arms of that time. It gives me more info on things that were around, but I didn't know as a kid.
A znači tu si bio 91 X)
In a besieged country, marking gun parts and tooling is most definitely "humanitarian ades"...lol
Springfield import with a dumb name when?
Having visited Croatia I can very much recommend it.
I find it intriguing that one of the causes of Yugoslavia collapse was they went bankrupt because of military spendings
Methinks there was some money skimmed
at one point YU military was spending 70% of the state budget. If Croatia today spends this kind of money on the military it would be $14 billion a year
@@saff3356Very interesting, thanks for the analysis.
Thats why you do not let anyone disarm you. Chances are they may not have your best interest at heart.
@@martinswiney2192 These did end up being used in organized crime in the end, so there are some very real downsides to allowing people to have a bunch of guns.
When a Sten and a Thompson loved each other very much...
...but the Thompson had an M3 on the side.
Reminds me of the Floro MK9, but any tube gun with an Uzi magwell would look like this.
Late again, of course we do not leave our Croatian friends behind, especially since the atrocities of Vukovar must not be repeated. Thank you !!!
Who are we?
@@DOMINIK99013 Welcome to YT
I really enjoy seeing "guns created by necessity" on here. It's a very simple but apparently effective gun.
Being from Great Britain i don`t have much firearms experience and would love it if you could make
a video on how extractors work on different systems.
Cheers Ian.
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World of Guns: Disassembly is a free game on Steam that is great for this kind of question of what does what on firearm components
VBBSMYT posts 3D videos of various fire arms. Also, C&Rsenal does deep dive video's .
@@tombogan03884 Thanks,some very nice animations there.
Actually found this video that explains everything perfectly for me...
ruclips.net/video/omv85cLfmxU/видео.html
@@williamwolfkiel3652 Thank you i will try that later...sound interesting.
@@williamwolfkiel3652been meaning to check that game out for a while now!
I'd be interested in a longer discussion of how having mostly just SMGs affected Croatian (and subsequently, Bosnian) military doctrine. Did they always plan engagements in terrain that keeps all firefights under ~150m?
Most engagements during the Croatian War of Independence weren't planned by the Croatian side, they were picked and forced by the Serbian side. Croatians had to make do with what they had.
Also, a lot of it was urban combat, combat in mountainous terrain, where you simply had to close to 100 yards, or the most often used tactic by the Croatians in 1991 and 1992:
Dig a ditch/foxhole and pray yoi don't get hit by the artillery, mortars and tanks because you weren't spotted, then wait as the enemy advances into range and give them hell. Run away before the artillery is zeroed in on your revealed position, rinse, repeat.
Also, if the guy holding the one RPG launcher, or AT4 tube got hit, you go retrieve the weapon, even if it looks like you'll surely die, cause if you don't get it and can't blow up the first tank to try it, you'll get overrun and you'll all die for sure.
The aesthetic of this is unlike anything else I've seen. It's just so unique.
Also an interesting history (just like any other gun)
Looks similar to a Tec-9
STEN like guns just hit right - I love this style - simple, working, yet also elegant in it's simplicity....or I just like metal pipes 😅
unique, besides it's over 30 predecessors that looked exactly like it.
@@wifidriveby302 why so passive-aggressive
around te crest it say Made in Croatia
Pleternitza maybe a simile to Weaverton?
So…. If you’re going to the Croatia Cop museum, do you get an obligatory Micro Cro Cop meeting? If not, I think you been cheated.
Receiving a liver kick is optional
One thing I've seen done, posted on the internet since the Ukraine war, was someone who took a bunch of open bolt guns out of museums and repaired the firing pins. They chucked the bolt up in a vice, mounted the vice to a drill press, drilled and threaded a hole into the bolt, and then screwed and loctite'd in place a hardened steel screw, which they then ground by hand with a dremel into the shape of a firing pin. Presumably this was done somewhere in the occupied territories, since the government was handing out their various AK-74 versions to anyone who was willing to take one and some mags and ammo, and only someone who didn't have such access would have to resort to remilitarizing an open bolt machine gun. That said, once they got it working the gun worked the same as it did in WWII. I'd assume the others they showed in the shop were similarly successful, they had all kinds of russian and german guns from during the war along with 7.62x25 and 9x19 ammo for days if it's just a few guys doing drive-bys with molotovs and papashas or MP40s. It's enough to burn the supplies and kill the crew of a soft-skinned truck, which is what they were probably used for given the time period
It's like Croatia did a small arms development program speed run.
Well, we had to do that. We would have been overrun by well armed serbian groups otherwise because we had nothing that shot bullets. Matter of life and death, without exagerration
@@aaabb4432 I didn't mean it in a bad way, it is impressive.
Hi my name is Leo its so cool to see this gun on youtube im a close frend with željko he lives in the vilage nexst to me he is a good and smart man😁
Not seen before, that's for sure. Not sure if that magwell is solid enough to serve as impromptu foregrip.
To touch on the pleter(knotwork) aspect, there's a container called "pletara"(from outside looks like wicker-weave/knot keg with a solid cork but inside is a 5l glass jug) that is a must-have for every "domaćin"(literal host, actually homeowner) worth his salt, regardless which ex-yu country he's from. What is usually kept in aforementioned "pletara" - quality homemade rakiya(brandy or schnapps), or brlja(moonshine) if said domacin is bad :P
I'd never seen a Pleter M91 but some of the lifers in units I worked with mentioned them. Their descriptions were lacking now that I've actually seen one 😅
It would be awesome to see some of the tons of argentine guns illegally shipped to Croatia during those times. We sended FALs, howitzers, ammo, etc.
Didn't the (then) Argentinian president (or someone) get into a lot of trouble years later, post-war, about the fact that he shipped some 16 CITER L33 155mm howitzers to Croatia during the embargo?
@@ugowar Yes, Carlos Menem was president during that period, but here politicians never pay for their illegal activities, plus the arms sale to Croatia was made with knowledge and cooperation from the US and NATO, all under the table, of course.
@@me.ne.frego. All I can say is: thank you to the Argentinians for the help, illegal or not. Rest assured, we put those guns of yours to good use, the rest is history. 💪
Recently I've been in Lisbon, at the GNR museum. It was really interesting, all in all pretty normal stuff. By the way, at the very beginning of the tour, there was a 30mm, single shot, vehicle mounted gun. There were no big explanation around it. So I was curious. We will evere have an episode about Portugal and the guns of the GNR?
every time I think I've seen every 9mm open bolt blowback tube gun, Ian comes back with another that has well known reputation and long history
This comment is approved by Luty and all others who brought us many a great tubes.
The history behind these kinds of firearms are really cool to know about. And the fact that a good majority of firearms all started with "I built this at my shed/garage/backyard..." also makes them a little bit humorous.
The Pleter would look pretty cool with wooden furniture, in my honest opinion. Something about open-bolt SMG designs just feel right when with wooden furniture to me.
As seen on "Vintage Walnut and Steel."
Most of firearms history was some "dude in a garage" makes a neat discovery, and it changes everything. Of course, we only seem to remember the ones that succeeded. For ever success there were so many more failures.
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Thanks from Croatia for putting high quality in the title.
WHOA! That looks like a non-crappy Feather AT-9.
*just played it- equally crappy, but in different ways.
Came here to say this.
First ily ian!
We made our own weapons due to your embargo which made many croats die, we recovered anyways, got our own uzi, pistols, launchers everything....
Pleter is super rare to see nowadays.
Hey! I live about a 10-minute drive from Pleternica. [Ple-TEHR-ni-tsa] Actually, just this Thursday [31.8.2023] should be a big mass + carnival. Always hated it as a kid, 'cause the mass'd last 3 hours.
Glad to see you covering Croatian guns, by the way! It's something I'd like to do myself. When I stop being broke, that is.
Making videos about croatian guns, or making croatian guns?
I mean either option is valid regardless of the clarification.
@@RafaleKez4 Making videos about Croatian guns. As cool as working somewhere like HS Produkt seems,
a) I wouldn't know how to get my foot in the door, especially without a military education (which I *did* consider)
b) I'm quite happy studying to be a software engineer.
@@Sciller4I remember Brandon Herrera respond to comments asking the same kinda stuff and he says the best move is to just find any job in a company like that to just get a better understanding of firearms design. Doesn't have to be anything fancy, you can just mop the floors and pay attention to what's being done. Kinda hard to do it here though cuz there's HS and not much more so your chances of landing a job there as an intern or something are kinda low.
But for general knowledge about all the tools and stuff you should be able to find many places where you can learn about that.
One does not just say, "Slovenian American 180", that sir is just cruel.
This is great content
It works on so many levels. Historical, firearms enthusiast, and a lightly threaded humane side
Say what you must about the Crudeness of the Sten, but when you need to make a gun in a garage look no further!
Takes me back 1990.Nelson Mandela released. Yugoslavia about to disintrate. . Kuwait. Shock and awe. Somehow I sometimes feel as if I was one of the Four or the whole posse.
😅 There could be a playlist for these videos of certain types of SMGs, Plumbers Specials ?
I'm surprised Springfield Armory hasn't tried to import semi auto versions of these
Semi-auto? But you can only commit war crimes on small scale with those... We in Balkan specialize in war crimes, so no semi-auto... :P
From where? Criminal gangs?
@@camillosteuss These things are still being made. Companies connected to criminal organizations, they really don't want to shine a light on themselves, arrange a license for the civilian market and try to satisfy civilian legal demand. For them, the less visible the better.
Thanks
In the next Croatian gun video. Can you tell us more about the homeland war? I didn't really follow it at the time.
To be fair that's asking a lot...because firstly it's a very long story which would have to start with the formation of Yugoslavia post WW1 to put it into context and the actual war itself then was very complex.
Secondly in any video like that the comments section then becomes full of angry people arguing with each other as there is still animosity between each side.
But there are plenty of documentaries on youtube about it which you could watch for weeks on end.
Tec9’s Tall Croatian cousin.
„STUzi“!!!!! „Gesundheit“
Hahaha Top comment!
@@dlmsarge8329 thx XD
This gun looks like Grease gun, Sten, Owen, Thompson and Tec-9 were spliced together with help of some dark magic
I'm going to go out on a limb here and point out that based on the diagram of an example of what the name "Pleter" denotes, it looks to be a type of folk craft, where hair or fibers are woven into patterns, known as "braids" OR "Plaits" in English
True. Plet-enje, means when a grandma is making a swather from yarn. Is the English word knitting?
Using GoogleTranslate: "Pleter" = "Whicker"
Slovenian copy of an American 180? Way to bury the lede
Those were made by Gorenje, and Gorenje is The Best producer of washing machines, refrigerators and appliances.
Everything in my parent's home was made by Gorenje, before I was born
Puno hvala!!
Painting the wrong name on a crate is the laziest smuggling ever. Even the Mexican cartels try harder getting stuff across the US southern border.
Hey, it worked, though.
From what I understand, it was of a wink&nodd kind of deal with elements of the German government.
Zastava CZ99 got the wrong name because they engraved 99 instead of 89
Simpler times needed only simpler solutions I guess. In the end, it just works.
Mexican Cartels, or as The Rolling Stone would call it: "Nothing and you're a conspiracy theorist"
Such a stereotypical "bad guy" weapon. I love it
Disco STU is in your crew!
Sten with Uzi Mag? Improvement
started out unarmed, had a war, then disarmed themselves again.
It truly beggars belief!
Based
Got to say that this is the best of the SMG's I've seen from this period and place.
Best looking too, while we're at it..Unlike the Agram this also looks decent up close.
Thanks for showing.👍 An Video about the MGV 176 or the Zagi M91 would be excellent.
I'm curious of the Croatian word "pleter" has a common ancestor to the English word "plait", meaning braid.
Plet-someting means to knit a sweater from yarn
In croatian plete means braids
@@brunocosic8188 Ozbiljno?
@@unlearningcommunism4742 yea
A great very interesting video and SMG Mr.GJ.Have a good one.
4:53, dang croatians were doing the S-scribble things thousands of years before kids in the 80s-90s
** giggles in Old Norse ** 😉😉
Will we get a video of Ziga roasting your G3 rifle for Finish Brutality here?
So, this isn't from Springfield Armory?
Visually it reminds me of the Vigeron m2
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Gotta love a forgotten weapon in the morning.
So do i
@@Goc4ever Nothing goes better with your tea or coffee. Not even cream liqueur.
Looks like the bastard child of a STEN and an Uzi; I'm guessing that's why the STUzi is in the title...
Heraldic pedantry: the thing you described as a crest (and to be fair, _is_ widely called a crest though it makes heraldists cringe) is better described as a "coat of arms". The reason for the cringe is that there's _also_ a thing called a crest - the crest is the element _on top of the helmet/crown_ which sits above the shield in some coats of arms. The shield-shaped bit on its own _can_ be called an escutcheon but it's just fine to call it a shield. So the coat of arms on the firearm in this video has a shield and a crown but no crest.
Correcting you not because it's the end of the world, but because it's clear you aim for historical and cultural accuracy in all things (and that's what makes your channel interesting)
PS: that chequered design of Croatia's has got to be one of the coolest national coats of arms out there - because it's so simple and so distinctive at the same time.
Yeah, I happen to have that stamped in my passport from the 90s.
It was bad times there... the understatement. A really S###y thing is that a certain political party was selling weapons to certain groups in that area but not to others, then yelling how bad that one or other was.
Looks like the child of a Sten and Grease gun.
Thank you , Ian .
🐺 Loupis Canis .
It's like someone took a Tec-9 and put it on a stretcher.
Or took a Vigneron M2 and squished it to be a bit shorter.
Visually, reminds me of my .68 Airgun Deisgns Minimag paintball marker.
The StUzi is BA, never seen it before
If only territorial defense wasn't disarmed.
There would be much less casualties and lost territory.
War would not last as it did and there would be less economic damage
In 1995 we had 300.000 Soldiers, 400 Tanks, 800 Artillery Systems and more than 100 Aircraft, if we had that in 1991 the war would never started cause they wouldn't attack.
@@noel0733 Se never had that many tanks and aircraft.
@@mynick937 HV had 280 T55's, 70-80 M84/T72s and small numbers of T34 and M47 Patton,
@@noel0733 You're right, I've checked it now.We had about 350 tanks in 95.
My biggest regret is that they retired all Mi 24 hinds.
I can see a lot of Bill Holmes design elemets, like the sights or the barrel shroud. Bet is has a feed cone instead of a feed ramp.
"Pleter" - same linguistic root as "plait"?
Plet-something is when you are making a sweater from yarn
This is the bastard child of the tec 9 and uzi raised by its grandfather the sten
Very interesting, never understood why the top ejection on so many guns but the stenish handle rotated to that position looks handy for suport hand.
Very interesting as always. I find this kind of industrious injunuity facinating. I'd use this over a Tec 9.
That's not an insult on the Pleter, just an observation regarding looks, function, philosophy of use.
ingenuity*
wouldn't know how to write it without autocorrection either
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis Thanks, I was having trouble with that.
always fun to meet another member of the angry tube family!
It looks like the bastard child of the Jatimatic and the Swedish-K 😅
Edit: I say Jatimatic due to the angle behind the grip.
i wonder if "plet" is related to the english word "plait", since they both seem to be related to braiding
Greetings from Croatia! The name Pleter is a word that here in Croatia denotes an ancient type of ornament on buildings... uniforms or folk ornaments. Croats have been using it throughout the early history and that is why they differ from other peoples in this area. And the original homeland of braiding is old Persia (Iran)
Tec 9's full version haha , minor detail in case anyone is wondering , the manufacturers marking says "Produced in Croatia"
It's a Croatian Vigneron smg neat.
Although I enjoy your videos, you are counseled to get your history correct. I served for the US during the aftermath of the Bosnian conflict and the Croatians were basically ex-Nazis and gangsters.
Every federal republic in Yugoslavia had its owb territorial military force and there was JNA(Yugoslav People's Army) which was at the time No10 in the world!
Our territorial defense(like national guard in usa) had weapons to arm 200 000 people up to the teeth. But it moved out of Croatia due zo fear they would join JNA and servian para military Chetnik units and start killing us. So basicaly we had bows and arrows. not just figure of speach but literrary some men fought with bows and arrows. And since we had embargo....worth to say the reason for embargo...we asked for it cause JNA aranged weapons delivery from Russia worth 6 billion dollars! This is no small amount today let alone back in the days...if you would count inflation rate that would mean 15 today...and since russian weapons are cheaper than usa weapons...well you get the picture.
And we started improvising and producing our own systems. Buying on the black market etc.
Ukraine sent lots of military and humanitarian aid and we bought lots from it also.that must be said!not many people know that.
And despite all odds we won. We would bot have problems with serbs today or ever again if usa didnt stop us. Big mistake! But tnx for the assistance
And pleter actually dates thousands of years. Official seal of Hyksos pharohs in Egypt bore pleter. Which means Croats ruled Egypt which is not so hard to belive because we are the Hetites
Very attractive gun
i dont now why saying STuzi makes me want to rinse my mouth....
This is another one of those barely a gun guns.
Man this really does remind me of the Feather AT-9 9mm carbine.
Reminds me of the Belgian Vigneron.
Silly question, but for a simple gun like that Do you need to 0 the sights at all? Or is it just having sheet metal front and rear iron's match up?
In the absolute? Yes, sights really need zeroing. Practically? The ranges this is used, and full auto only makes less important than, say, a rifle.
the writting around the crest Reads:"Proizvedeno u Hrvatskoj" - Made in Croatia.
Google these channels are not contributing to gun violence. My good friend Ian is not explaining where to buy firearms. Stop treating this stuff like forbidden knowledge
Geez the algorithm just keeps showing the submachine gun videos so i keep watching. I love these crazy toobs😂
Croatian Owen Gun
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Bosnia was embargo for importing weapons so most of these were smuggled, i remember my father buying a submachine gun, in 1991. I remember it was like mp40 knockoffs, M56 submachine gun
If there were no embargo the war for sure would be shorter, and spare me for 4 years of hell.
Me about to get something done.
*Ian posts a video of some random country's submachine gun development
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Cannot wait to see that Slovenian copy of the American 180
Like an MP3008, with a sliding stock. And plastic.
Great video as always, really simple and beautiful smg
The symbols at 4:51 are very Celtic in design
I hate deactivated guns
All my homies hate deactivated guns