The real reason Croatia attempted to make its own weapons is that there was an embargo on weapon imports for all ex Yugoslav countries. Considering Serbia had all the weapons and ammo it was a huge problem for Croatia as its only way to get some weapons was to smuggle it and overpay it significantly. Eventually Croatia managed to capture some military barracks and ammo depos and this way it got tanks, apc's, ammo etc
@@mattewj1268The idea behind it was that the conflict won't escalate if one side has no weapons to fight a war with. The irony is that the west put a weapons embargo on Croatia while supporting its independence and giving it official recognition almost immediately. The west was politically on Croatia's side while simultaneously hindering its ability to defend itself for whatever reason.
@@brunobegic3841 You mean to tell me the West plays cavalier with lives that aren't its own, and treats its nominal allies like trash? I, for one, am shocked.
@@brunobegic3841 I remember hearing about the embargo on the news; the explanation was that the UN was 'trying to prevent escalation of violence'. When one side is already well armed, the result is about like telling a rape victim to relax and enjoy it. ☹
I am from little town Pleternica. I was kid when this was produced but remember that there was also a brochure for this weapon. My mother was working in this factory.
@@losos1 cars, I really doubt that (since all domestically designed cars failed really hard and those that were used most often were not from Croatia). Guns were mostly produced from necessity because of Arms embargo.
@@losos1 guy, that car is just Potemkin village and made out of parts that were not developed in Croatia (and also there is bunch of rumours on money laundering).
Proizvedeno u Hrvatskoj means - Made in Croatia. I was a kid when Homeland War started, I was 3 when it began, 7 when the ceasefire in '95 was made, and 10 when the peaceful reintegration of Croatian territories began. Since I lived near Vukovar, I remember having anti-air batteries in fields around my home. I remember three, but it was probably more. I have a vague recollection of things, and it is cool that you have several videos covering early arms of that time. It gives me more info on things that were around, but I didn't know as a kid.
One thing I've seen done, posted on the internet since the Ukraine war, was someone who took a bunch of open bolt guns out of museums and repaired the firing pins. They chucked the bolt up in a vice, mounted the vice to a drill press, drilled and threaded a hole into the bolt, and then screwed and loctite'd in place a hardened steel screw, which they then ground by hand with a dremel into the shape of a firing pin. Presumably this was done somewhere in the occupied territories, since the government was handing out their various AK-74 versions to anyone who was willing to take one and some mags and ammo, and only someone who didn't have such access would have to resort to remilitarizing an open bolt machine gun. That said, once they got it working the gun worked the same as it did in WWII. I'd assume the others they showed in the shop were similarly successful, they had all kinds of russian and german guns from during the war along with 7.62x25 and 9x19 ammo for days if it's just a few guys doing drive-bys with molotovs and papashas or MP40s. It's enough to burn the supplies and kill the crew of a soft-skinned truck, which is what they were probably used for given the time period
at one point YU military was spending 70% of the state budget. If Croatia today spends this kind of money on the military it would be $14 billion a year
@@martinswiney2192 These did end up being used in organized crime in the end, so there are some very real downsides to allowing people to have a bunch of guns.
The history behind these kinds of firearms are really cool to know about. And the fact that a good majority of firearms all started with "I built this at my shed/garage/backyard..." also makes them a little bit humorous. The Pleter would look pretty cool with wooden furniture, in my honest opinion. Something about open-bolt SMG designs just feel right when with wooden furniture to me.
Most of firearms history was some "dude in a garage" makes a neat discovery, and it changes everything. Of course, we only seem to remember the ones that succeeded. For ever success there were so many more failures.
Hey! I live about a 10-minute drive from Pleternica. [Ple-TEHR-ni-tsa] Actually, just this Thursday [31.8.2023] should be a big mass + carnival. Always hated it as a kid, 'cause the mass'd last 3 hours. Glad to see you covering Croatian guns, by the way! It's something I'd like to do myself. When I stop being broke, that is.
@@RafaleKez4 Making videos about Croatian guns. As cool as working somewhere like HS Produkt seems, a) I wouldn't know how to get my foot in the door, especially without a military education (which I *did* consider) b) I'm quite happy studying to be a software engineer.
@@Sciller4I remember Brandon Herrera respond to comments asking the same kinda stuff and he says the best move is to just find any job in a company like that to just get a better understanding of firearms design. Doesn't have to be anything fancy, you can just mop the floors and pay attention to what's being done. Kinda hard to do it here though cuz there's HS and not much more so your chances of landing a job there as an intern or something are kinda low. But for general knowledge about all the tools and stuff you should be able to find many places where you can learn about that.
Not seen before, that's for sure. Not sure if that magwell is solid enough to serve as impromptu foregrip. To touch on the pleter(knotwork) aspect, there's a container called "pletara"(from outside looks like wicker-weave/knot keg with a solid cork but inside is a 5l glass jug) that is a must-have for every "domaćin"(literal host, actually homeowner) worth his salt, regardless which ex-yu country he's from. What is usually kept in aforementioned "pletara" - quality homemade rakiya(brandy or schnapps), or brlja(moonshine) if said domacin is bad :P
We made our own weapons due to your embargo which made many croats die, we recovered anyways, got our own uzi, pistols, launchers everything.... Pleter is super rare to see nowadays.
Being from Great Britain i don`t have much firearms experience and would love it if you could make a video on how extractors work on different systems. Cheers Ian. 👍
@@tombogan03884 Thanks,some very nice animations there. Actually found this video that explains everything perfectly for me... ruclips.net/video/omv85cLfmxU/видео.html
I'd never seen a Pleter M91 but some of the lifers in units I worked with mentioned them. Their descriptions were lacking now that I've actually seen one 😅
I'd be interested in a longer discussion of how having mostly just SMGs affected Croatian (and subsequently, Bosnian) military doctrine. Did they always plan engagements in terrain that keeps all firefights under ~150m?
Most engagements during the Croatian War of Independence weren't planned by the Croatian side, they were picked and forced by the Serbian side. Croatians had to make do with what they had. Also, a lot of it was urban combat, combat in mountainous terrain, where you simply had to close to 100 yards, or the most often used tactic by the Croatians in 1991 and 1992: Dig a ditch/foxhole and pray yoi don't get hit by the artillery, mortars and tanks because you weren't spotted, then wait as the enemy advances into range and give them hell. Run away before the artillery is zeroed in on your revealed position, rinse, repeat. Also, if the guy holding the one RPG launcher, or AT4 tube got hit, you go retrieve the weapon, even if it looks like you'll surely die, cause if you don't get it and can't blow up the first tank to try it, you'll get overrun and you'll all die for sure.
Recently I've been in Lisbon, at the GNR museum. It was really interesting, all in all pretty normal stuff. By the way, at the very beginning of the tour, there was a 30mm, single shot, vehicle mounted gun. There were no big explanation around it. So I was curious. We will evere have an episode about Portugal and the guns of the GNR?
Well, we had to do that. We would have been overrun by well armed serbian groups otherwise because we had nothing that shot bullets. Matter of life and death, without exagerration
I'm going to go out on a limb here and point out that based on the diagram of an example of what the name "Pleter" denotes, it looks to be a type of folk craft, where hair or fibers are woven into patterns, known as "braids" OR "Plaits" in English
Got to say that this is the best of the SMG's I've seen from this period and place. Best looking too, while we're at it..Unlike the Agram this also looks decent up close.
@@camillosteuss These things are still being made. Companies connected to criminal organizations, they really don't want to shine a light on themselves, arrange a license for the civilian market and try to satisfy civilian legal demand. For them, the less visible the better.
09:30 Bosnia was embargo for importing weapons so most of these were smuggled, i remember my father buying a submachine gun, in 1991. I remember it was like mp40 knockoffs, M56 submachine gun If there were no embargo the war for sure would be shorter, and spare me for 4 years of hell.
General reaction - the Sten is a bag of bolts never touch one. Country backed into a corner, we need a simple gun, that's easy to assemble, takes standard ammo and can be built in a shed - Sten, just update it a bit
Didn't the (then) Argentinian president (or someone) get into a lot of trouble years later, post-war, about the fact that he shipped some 16 CITER L33 155mm howitzers to Croatia during the embargo?
@@ugowar Yes, Carlos Menem was president during that period, but here politicians never pay for their illegal activities, plus the arms sale to Croatia was made with knowledge and cooperation from the US and NATO, all under the table, of course.
@@me.ne.frego. All I can say is: thank you to the Argentinians for the help, illegal or not. Rest assured, we put those guns of yours to good use, the rest is history. 💪
Heraldic pedantry: the thing you described as a crest (and to be fair, _is_ widely called a crest though it makes heraldists cringe) is better described as a "coat of arms". The reason for the cringe is that there's _also_ a thing called a crest - the crest is the element _on top of the helmet/crown_ which sits above the shield in some coats of arms. The shield-shaped bit on its own _can_ be called an escutcheon but it's just fine to call it a shield. So the coat of arms on the firearm in this video has a shield and a crown but no crest. Correcting you not because it's the end of the world, but because it's clear you aim for historical and cultural accuracy in all things (and that's what makes your channel interesting) PS: that chequered design of Croatia's has got to be one of the coolest national coats of arms out there - because it's so simple and so distinctive at the same time.
Yeah, I happen to have that stamped in my passport from the 90s. It was bad times there... the understatement. A really S###y thing is that a certain political party was selling weapons to certain groups in that area but not to others, then yelling how bad that one or other was.
Very interesting as always. I find this kind of industrious injunuity facinating. I'd use this over a Tec 9. That's not an insult on the Pleter, just an observation regarding looks, function, philosophy of use.
To be fair that's asking a lot...because firstly it's a very long story which would have to start with the formation of Yugoslavia post WW1 to put it into context and the actual war itself then was very complex. Secondly in any video like that the comments section then becomes full of angry people arguing with each other as there is still animosity between each side. But there are plenty of documentaries on youtube about it which you could watch for weeks on end.
JNA was Yugoslavian National Army and its generals were from different republics, for example ground troops general was Croat and was on its position almost 2 years after the conflict started, he eventually resigned. Troop composition was consisting mostly of people serving mandatory military duty from all republics weirdly Croats served military almost exclusively in Croatia or Slovenia. Plenty of barracks and equipment were in every single republic including Croatia. People in Croatia formed paramilitary troops and with weapons taken from said barracks opposed to JNA, first tanks in Croatia were driven to the street by Croatian paramilitary force. Most of the weapons in Croatia, during the war, was smuggled by Germany through Austria, which supported and wanted their WW2 puppet back. Also there were more factories in Croatia than Serbia that could produce weapons, result of 172 factory relocation in 1970. fearing possible war with Soviet Union, none of those factories ever returned home.
People in croatia and slovenia defended themself against greater-serbia ideology pf Milosevic and they were right...just see what yugoslavian army did in bosnia and kosova
Takes me back 1990.Nelson Mandela released. Yugoslavia about to disintrate. . Kuwait. Shock and awe. Somehow I sometimes feel as if I was one of the Four or the whole posse.
The real reason Croatia attempted to make its own weapons is that there was an embargo on weapon imports for all ex Yugoslav countries. Considering Serbia had all the weapons and ammo it was a huge problem for Croatia as its only way to get some weapons was to smuggle it and overpay it significantly. Eventually Croatia managed to capture some military barracks and ammo depos and this way it got tanks, apc's, ammo etc
I've been meaning to find out what the motivation for this embargo was. It seems unproductive.
@@mattewj1268The idea behind it was that the conflict won't escalate if one side has no weapons to fight a war with. The irony is that the west put a weapons embargo on Croatia while supporting its independence and giving it official recognition almost immediately. The west was politically on Croatia's side while simultaneously hindering its ability to defend itself for whatever reason.
@@brunobegic3841 You mean to tell me the West plays cavalier with lives that aren't its own, and treats its nominal allies like trash? I, for one, am shocked.
@@matrix3509 It's pretty much always been that way throughout history
@@brunobegic3841 I remember hearing about the embargo on the news; the explanation was that the UN was 'trying to prevent escalation of violence'. When one side is already well armed, the result is about like telling a rape victim to relax and enjoy it. ☹
I am from little town Pleternica. I was kid when this was produced but remember that there was also a brochure for this weapon. My mother was working in this factory.
Croatians really do have cool firearms history for such a short period!
Well, croatians were always great engineers, from guns to cars
@@losos1 cars, I really doubt that (since all domestically designed cars failed really hard and those that were used most often were not from Croatia). Guns were mostly produced from necessity because of Arms embargo.
At least they got to produce nice-looking self-made guns,no?
@@madkoala2130 ummmm, Rimac? Like one of the most advanced electric supercars?
@@losos1 guy, that car is just Potemkin village and made out of parts that were not developed in Croatia (and also there is bunch of rumours on money laundering).
Thanks from Croatia for putting high quality in the title.
Proizvedeno u Hrvatskoj means - Made in Croatia. I was a kid when Homeland War started, I was 3 when it began, 7 when the ceasefire in '95 was made, and 10 when the peaceful reintegration of Croatian territories began. Since I lived near Vukovar, I remember having anti-air batteries in fields around my home. I remember three, but it was probably more. I have a vague recollection of things, and it is cool that you have several videos covering early arms of that time. It gives me more info on things that were around, but I didn't know as a kid.
A znači tu si bio 91 X)
Having visited Croatia I can very much recommend it.
When a Sten and a Thompson loved each other very much...
...but the Thompson had an M3 on the side.
I really enjoy seeing "guns created by necessity" on here. It's a very simple but apparently effective gun.
The aesthetic of this is unlike anything else I've seen. It's just so unique.
Also an interesting history (just like any other gun)
Looks similar to a Tec-9
STEN like guns just hit right - I love this style - simple, working, yet also elegant in it's simplicity....or I just like metal pipes 😅
unique, besides it's over 30 predecessors that looked exactly like it.
@@wifidriveby302 why so passive-aggressive
every time I think I've seen every 9mm open bolt blowback tube gun, Ian comes back with another that has well known reputation and long history
This comment is approved by Luty and all others who brought us many a great tubes.
In a besieged country, marking gun parts and tooling is most definitely "humanitarian ades"...lol
One thing I've seen done, posted on the internet since the Ukraine war, was someone who took a bunch of open bolt guns out of museums and repaired the firing pins. They chucked the bolt up in a vice, mounted the vice to a drill press, drilled and threaded a hole into the bolt, and then screwed and loctite'd in place a hardened steel screw, which they then ground by hand with a dremel into the shape of a firing pin. Presumably this was done somewhere in the occupied territories, since the government was handing out their various AK-74 versions to anyone who was willing to take one and some mags and ammo, and only someone who didn't have such access would have to resort to remilitarizing an open bolt machine gun. That said, once they got it working the gun worked the same as it did in WWII. I'd assume the others they showed in the shop were similarly successful, they had all kinds of russian and german guns from during the war along with 7.62x25 and 9x19 ammo for days if it's just a few guys doing drive-bys with molotovs and papashas or MP40s. It's enough to burn the supplies and kill the crew of a soft-skinned truck, which is what they were probably used for given the time period
Reminds me of the Floro MK9, but any tube gun with an Uzi magwell would look like this.
I find it intriguing that one of the causes of Yugoslavia collapse was they went bankrupt because of military spendings
Methinks there was some money skimmed
at one point YU military was spending 70% of the state budget. If Croatia today spends this kind of money on the military it would be $14 billion a year
@@saff3356Very interesting, thanks for the analysis.
Thats why you do not let anyone disarm you. Chances are they may not have your best interest at heart.
@@martinswiney2192 These did end up being used in organized crime in the end, so there are some very real downsides to allowing people to have a bunch of guns.
The history behind these kinds of firearms are really cool to know about. And the fact that a good majority of firearms all started with "I built this at my shed/garage/backyard..." also makes them a little bit humorous.
The Pleter would look pretty cool with wooden furniture, in my honest opinion. Something about open-bolt SMG designs just feel right when with wooden furniture to me.
As seen on "Vintage Walnut and Steel."
Most of firearms history was some "dude in a garage" makes a neat discovery, and it changes everything. Of course, we only seem to remember the ones that succeeded. For ever success there were so many more failures.
Hey! I live about a 10-minute drive from Pleternica. [Ple-TEHR-ni-tsa] Actually, just this Thursday [31.8.2023] should be a big mass + carnival. Always hated it as a kid, 'cause the mass'd last 3 hours.
Glad to see you covering Croatian guns, by the way! It's something I'd like to do myself. When I stop being broke, that is.
Making videos about croatian guns, or making croatian guns?
I mean either option is valid regardless of the clarification.
@@RafaleKez4 Making videos about Croatian guns. As cool as working somewhere like HS Produkt seems,
a) I wouldn't know how to get my foot in the door, especially without a military education (which I *did* consider)
b) I'm quite happy studying to be a software engineer.
@@Sciller4I remember Brandon Herrera respond to comments asking the same kinda stuff and he says the best move is to just find any job in a company like that to just get a better understanding of firearms design. Doesn't have to be anything fancy, you can just mop the floors and pay attention to what's being done. Kinda hard to do it here though cuz there's HS and not much more so your chances of landing a job there as an intern or something are kinda low.
But for general knowledge about all the tools and stuff you should be able to find many places where you can learn about that.
Thanks
Not seen before, that's for sure. Not sure if that magwell is solid enough to serve as impromptu foregrip.
To touch on the pleter(knotwork) aspect, there's a container called "pletara"(from outside looks like wicker-weave/knot keg with a solid cork but inside is a 5l glass jug) that is a must-have for every "domaćin"(literal host, actually homeowner) worth his salt, regardless which ex-yu country he's from. What is usually kept in aforementioned "pletara" - quality homemade rakiya(brandy or schnapps), or brlja(moonshine) if said domacin is bad :P
This is great content
It works on so many levels. Historical, firearms enthusiast, and a lightly threaded humane side
We made our own weapons due to your embargo which made many croats die, we recovered anyways, got our own uzi, pistols, launchers everything....
Pleter is super rare to see nowadays.
Being from Great Britain i don`t have much firearms experience and would love it if you could make
a video on how extractors work on different systems.
Cheers Ian.
👍
World of Guns: Disassembly is a free game on Steam that is great for this kind of question of what does what on firearm components
VBBSMYT posts 3D videos of various fire arms. Also, C&Rsenal does deep dive video's .
@@tombogan03884 Thanks,some very nice animations there.
Actually found this video that explains everything perfectly for me...
ruclips.net/video/omv85cLfmxU/видео.html
@@williamwolfkiel3652 Thank you i will try that later...sound interesting.
@@williamwolfkiel3652been meaning to check that game out for a while now!
I'd never seen a Pleter M91 but some of the lifers in units I worked with mentioned them. Their descriptions were lacking now that I've actually seen one 😅
Such a stereotypical "bad guy" weapon. I love it
I'd be interested in a longer discussion of how having mostly just SMGs affected Croatian (and subsequently, Bosnian) military doctrine. Did they always plan engagements in terrain that keeps all firefights under ~150m?
Most engagements during the Croatian War of Independence weren't planned by the Croatian side, they were picked and forced by the Serbian side. Croatians had to make do with what they had.
Also, a lot of it was urban combat, combat in mountainous terrain, where you simply had to close to 100 yards, or the most often used tactic by the Croatians in 1991 and 1992:
Dig a ditch/foxhole and pray yoi don't get hit by the artillery, mortars and tanks because you weren't spotted, then wait as the enemy advances into range and give them hell. Run away before the artillery is zeroed in on your revealed position, rinse, repeat.
Also, if the guy holding the one RPG launcher, or AT4 tube got hit, you go retrieve the weapon, even if it looks like you'll surely die, cause if you don't get it and can't blow up the first tank to try it, you'll get overrun and you'll all die for sure.
WHOA! That looks like a non-crappy Feather AT-9.
*just played it- equally crappy, but in different ways.
Came here to say this.
A great very interesting video and SMG Mr.GJ.Have a good one.
Recently I've been in Lisbon, at the GNR museum. It was really interesting, all in all pretty normal stuff. By the way, at the very beginning of the tour, there was a 30mm, single shot, vehicle mounted gun. There were no big explanation around it. So I was curious. We will evere have an episode about Portugal and the guns of the GNR?
Puno hvala!!
Tec 9's full version haha , minor detail in case anyone is wondering , the manufacturers marking says "Produced in Croatia"
Gotta love a forgotten weapon in the morning.
So do i
@@Goc4ever Nothing goes better with your tea or coffee. Not even cream liqueur.
It's like Croatia did a small arms development program speed run.
Well, we had to do that. We would have been overrun by well armed serbian groups otherwise because we had nothing that shot bullets. Matter of life and death, without exagerration
@@aaabb4432 I didn't mean it in a bad way, it is impressive.
Thanks for showing.👍 An Video about the MGV 176 or the Zagi M91 would be excellent.
Great video as always, really simple and beautiful smg
I'm going to go out on a limb here and point out that based on the diagram of an example of what the name "Pleter" denotes, it looks to be a type of folk craft, where hair or fibers are woven into patterns, known as "braids" OR "Plaits" in English
True. Plet-enje, means when a grandma is making a swather from yarn. Is the English word knitting?
Using GoogleTranslate: "Pleter" = "Whicker"
This gun looks like Grease gun, Sten, Owen, Thompson and Tec-9 were spliced together with help of some dark magic
Disco STU is in your crew!
Very interesting, never understood why the top ejection on so many guns but the stenish handle rotated to that position looks handy for suport hand.
Pleternica mentioned🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hi my name is Leo its so cool to see this gun on youtube im a close frend with željko he lives in the vilage nexst to me he is a good and smart man😁
„STUzi“!!!!! „Gesundheit“
Hahaha Top comment!
@@dlmsarge8329 thx XD
The symbols at 4:51 are very Celtic in design
Got to say that this is the best of the SMG's I've seen from this period and place.
Best looking too, while we're at it..Unlike the Agram this also looks decent up close.
I'm surprised Springfield Armory hasn't tried to import semi auto versions of these
Semi-auto? But you can only commit war crimes on small scale with those... We in Balkan specialize in war crimes, so no semi-auto... :P
From where? Criminal gangs?
@@camillosteuss These things are still being made. Companies connected to criminal organizations, they really don't want to shine a light on themselves, arrange a license for the civilian market and try to satisfy civilian legal demand. For them, the less visible the better.
I can see a lot of Bill Holmes design elemets, like the sights or the barrel shroud. Bet is has a feed cone instead of a feed ramp.
Oooo Ian's got his hands on a really slick looking one!
always fun to meet another member of the angry tube family!
Thank you!!!
Pleternitza maybe a simile to Weaverton?
😅 There could be a playlist for these videos of certain types of SMGs, Plumbers Specials ?
Thank you , Ian .
🐺 Loupis Canis .
Sten with Uzi Mag? Improvement
09:30
Bosnia was embargo for importing weapons so most of these were smuggled, i remember my father buying a submachine gun, in 1991. I remember it was like mp40 knockoffs, M56 submachine gun
If there were no embargo the war for sure would be shorter, and spare me for 4 years of hell.
Springfield import with a dumb name when?
Geez the algorithm just keeps showing the submachine gun videos so i keep watching. I love these crazy toobs😂
Visually, reminds me of my .68 Airgun Deisgns Minimag paintball marker.
General reaction - the Sten is a bag of bolts never touch one.
Country backed into a corner, we need a simple gun, that's easy to assemble, takes standard ammo and can be built in a shed - Sten, just update it a bit
Say what you must about the Crudeness of the Sten, but when you need to make a gun in a garage look no further!
4:53, dang croatians were doing the S-scribble things thousands of years before kids in the 80s-90s
** giggles in Old Norse ** 😉😉
Will we get a video of Ziga roasting your G3 rifle for Finish Brutality here?
Man this really does remind me of the Feather AT-9 9mm carbine.
started out unarmed, had a war, then disarmed themselves again.
It truly beggars belief!
Based
around te crest it say Made in Croatia
Tec9’s Tall Croatian cousin.
It would be awesome to see some of the tons of argentine guns illegally shipped to Croatia during those times. We sended FALs, howitzers, ammo, etc.
Didn't the (then) Argentinian president (or someone) get into a lot of trouble years later, post-war, about the fact that he shipped some 16 CITER L33 155mm howitzers to Croatia during the embargo?
@@ugowar Yes, Carlos Menem was president during that period, but here politicians never pay for their illegal activities, plus the arms sale to Croatia was made with knowledge and cooperation from the US and NATO, all under the table, of course.
@@me.ne.frego. All I can say is: thank you to the Argentinians for the help, illegal or not. Rest assured, we put those guns of yours to good use, the rest is history. 💪
Cannot wait to see that Slovenian copy of the American 180
Heraldic pedantry: the thing you described as a crest (and to be fair, _is_ widely called a crest though it makes heraldists cringe) is better described as a "coat of arms". The reason for the cringe is that there's _also_ a thing called a crest - the crest is the element _on top of the helmet/crown_ which sits above the shield in some coats of arms. The shield-shaped bit on its own _can_ be called an escutcheon but it's just fine to call it a shield. So the coat of arms on the firearm in this video has a shield and a crown but no crest.
Correcting you not because it's the end of the world, but because it's clear you aim for historical and cultural accuracy in all things (and that's what makes your channel interesting)
PS: that chequered design of Croatia's has got to be one of the coolest national coats of arms out there - because it's so simple and so distinctive at the same time.
Yeah, I happen to have that stamped in my passport from the 90s.
It was bad times there... the understatement. A really S###y thing is that a certain political party was selling weapons to certain groups in that area but not to others, then yelling how bad that one or other was.
The Sten, still spawning off-spring like the dead-beat-dad of the firearms world.
Very interesting as always. I find this kind of industrious injunuity facinating. I'd use this over a Tec 9.
That's not an insult on the Pleter, just an observation regarding looks, function, philosophy of use.
ingenuity*
wouldn't know how to write it without autocorrection either
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis Thanks, I was having trouble with that.
This is the bastard child of the tec 9 and uzi raised by its grandfather the sten
One does not just say, "Slovenian American 180", that sir is just cruel.
Visually it reminds me of the Vigeron m2
the writting around the crest Reads:"Proizvedeno u Hrvatskoj" - Made in Croatia.
Дуже велике прохання до вас пане Макколум щоб ви зняли відео ,як ви стріляєте з ції зброї!😁😁😁💯✌✌✌👍👍👍👍!
Very attractive gun
Would love to see this as part of a Headstamp book on "SMG's of the Resistance"
So…. If you’re going to the Croatia Cop museum, do you get an obligatory Micro Cro Cop meeting? If not, I think you been cheated.
Receiving a liver kick is optional
Me about to get something done.
*Ian posts a video of some random country's submachine gun development
I'm curious of the Croatian word "pleter" has a common ancestor to the English word "plait", meaning braid.
Plet-someting means to knit a sweater from yarn
In croatian plete means braids
@@brunocosic8188 Ozbiljno?
@@unlearningcommunism4742 yea
In the next Croatian gun video. Can you tell us more about the homeland war? I didn't really follow it at the time.
To be fair that's asking a lot...because firstly it's a very long story which would have to start with the formation of Yugoslavia post WW1 to put it into context and the actual war itself then was very complex.
Secondly in any video like that the comments section then becomes full of angry people arguing with each other as there is still animosity between each side.
But there are plenty of documentaries on youtube about it which you could watch for weeks on end.
Nice piece !
It's a Croatian Vigneron smg neat.
Looks like the Sten gun and Beretta M12 had some fun without protection.
Silly question, but for a simple gun like that Do you need to 0 the sights at all? Or is it just having sheet metal front and rear iron's match up?
In the absolute? Yes, sights really need zeroing. Practically? The ranges this is used, and full auto only makes less important than, say, a rifle.
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Like an MP3008, with a sliding stock. And plastic.
Cute little gun. I like that
Cool gun
You could also translate it as lacer, since a good translation for that motif is sort of a kind of lace.
Excellent
JNA was Yugoslavian National Army and its generals were from different republics, for example ground troops general was Croat and was on its position almost 2 years after the conflict started, he eventually resigned. Troop composition was consisting mostly of people serving mandatory military duty from all republics weirdly Croats served military almost exclusively in Croatia or Slovenia. Plenty of barracks and equipment were in every single republic including Croatia.
People in Croatia formed paramilitary troops and with weapons taken from said barracks opposed to JNA, first tanks in Croatia were driven to the street by Croatian paramilitary force. Most of the weapons in Croatia, during the war, was smuggled by Germany through Austria, which supported and wanted their WW2 puppet back.
Also there were more factories in Croatia than Serbia that could produce weapons, result of 172 factory relocation in 1970. fearing possible war with Soviet Union, none of those factories ever returned home.
People in croatia and slovenia defended themself against greater-serbia ideology pf Milosevic and they were right...just see what yugoslavian army did in bosnia and kosova
Looks like the child of a Sten and Grease gun.
It's like someone took a Tec-9 and put it on a stretcher.
Or took a Vigneron M2 and squished it to be a bit shorter.
Like the love child of a grease gun and the tec 9
The StUzi is BA, never seen it before
Oh, Mr Ian sir,
Best take it up with the concierge - twould appear the motel has shrunk your shirt.
Takes me back 1990.Nelson Mandela released. Yugoslavia about to disintrate. . Kuwait. Shock and awe. Somehow I sometimes feel as if I was one of the Four or the whole posse.
Ahh,the M180,the swarm of angry bees!
It would be cool if the receiver was extended as a stock tube and made the gun constant recoil.
Reminds me of the Belgian Vigneron.
Is it just me, or is the rear sight notch off-centre slghtly to the left? Check it at 2.51
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