Sudayev's PPS-43: Submachine Gun Simplicity Perfected
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- The PPS-43, designed by Alexei Sudayev based on a previous submachine gun design by I.K. Bezruchko-Vysotsky, was the Soviet replacement for the PPSh-41. The Shpagin submachine gun was a very effective combat weapon, but was time-consuming to produce and required specialized manufacturing tools. The Soviet military wanted a weapon that was cheaper and faster to make, and which could be produced at small shops not experienced in firearms production. The Sudayev design fit these criteria extremely well, being made almost entirely of simple bent metal components.
Production of the first prototype Sudayev submachine guns begin in 1942 in the besieged city of Leningrad, where guns were quite literally taken from the factory door to the front lines and put into service. A few minor flaws were discovered and corrected, and by the time the siege was broken the gun was suitable for mass production. It was designated the PPS-43, and while it was theoretically a replacement for the PPSh-41, it never did actually replace the former weapon. It was decided to continue PPSh-41 production in the factories already tooled up for it, while making use of the PPS-43’s simplicity to put it into production as a range of new factories that did not have the technical capacity to make more complex weapons.
Mechanically, the PPS-43 was a simple blowback gun, using basically the same conceptual operating system as the PPSH-41. However, Sudayev resolved the most significant practical problem with the PPSH-41 by abandoning its unreliable drums and developing his own new double stack, double feed 35-round box magazine. The PPS-43 magazine is simpler to load, more reliable in used, and much smoother to insert and remove from the weapon that then PPSh magazines. The improvement was substantial enough to justify the use of different and incompatible magazines in the two guns. In conjunction with the discarding of the drum magazine, Sudayev also designed his gun to have a lower rate of fire than the PPSh, to better manage ammunition supply. However, the roughly 600 rpm rate of the PPS-43 is actually relatively difficult to control in that light weapon, where the PPSh-41 was substantially smoother shooting despite (or perhaps because of) firing faster.
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having a gun made of 90% bent sheet metal and still work well and look good is pretty impressive
made in Russia! Fast, cheap, reliable!
+Ilya Smirnov
well, not anymore, apparently. In our modern capitalist Russia things have gone crappy. Sad but true.
Works well, yes, looks good, ehhhhhhhhhhh...
Not only is it good but it is one of the best submachineguns made in ww2.
@@jan_kisan Your people are probably trying to catch up to China. Chinese are competent. They cheapen shit up to get the best bang for the buck. China is run by Engineers. It's all about the numbers. No self respecting Russian will tolerate the shit that Chinese tolerate on a daily basis.
What made Russia great was its commitment to keeping shit real. Improvise, adapt, over come. Like we Americans once were before we started down the path of Piezdetsy, when both boys and girls started to grow vaginas and then talk out of them.
I own several Russian designed firearms. I work with programs written by Russians. Build shit that has value, that people will enjoy. You'll be fine.
We Americans? We're fucked.
I'm imagining a guy saying "How do we field test this?" and another answering "Just open the front door."
Reaghan Kekeis and that’s exactly what happened
"Ok Ivan here is new untested SMG made of bent scrap metal, now go link up with the 2nd shock army!"
In Soviet Russia, gun test you
"Open the window Comrade! The fascists are just over there". Proof-test completed 3 seconds later.
Also some real incentive for improvement from the designers and engineers at the factory.
Kalashnikov said once: "Its easy to invent something complicated, its very difficult to make something simple and reliable, that works."
he invented nothing
Expalin@@jaredneaves7007
@@jaredneaves7007 Not really. AK47 for starters. Nothing original about StG either - copied from another gun.
Jared Neaves
All knowledge is Stolen...only Ignorance is Original
@@zepoq2476 the original assault rifle was copied from something that didnt exist?
As a tool maker of over 30 years. This thing is a work of art.
I agree. I am wicked impressed with the simplicity/elegance of this submachine gun. Dollars to dimes, the Soviet infantry loved this thing WAY more than the PPsh-41.
@@nicholaddelioncourt7863 you people are killing me, how you gonna credit our enemy like that. It's Russia, it's basically pure evil. Smarten up smh
Angelo DiMeo crediting their engineers, not their political system. Take it easy.
@@nicholaddelioncourt7863 all the same shit
@@rrt4511 at the time of it's manufactur they were a nation of people fighting to keep their homeland. This weapon was designed and manufactured under extreme duress. Hence it's quality is worthy of admiration.
If you had a factory that made pots and pans, you'd have everything needed to create these guns. That's incredible.
Soviet Cigarrette factories could also produce rifle rounds. That's why basically every soviet made cig from the 1920s to the 50s and even onwards were exactly 7.62mm in diameter
@@Fred_the_1996 Canneries also made tin cans in 76.2mm so they could make shells if needed.
Sure is
@@Fred_the_1996 that's hardcore
@@Duncomrade i don't see the correlation. If making 7.62 bullets, not cases required them to make Can's of 76.2 mm, how does that make anything easier? Just to keep from forgetting that the bullet they need to cast is the same as their cans, but with the decimal moved left one position? Seems like they could make any arbitrary can size they chose, since it has nothing to do with the size of lead they needed to cast, and jacket. Or any barrel they needed to bore. They wouldn't make any cans at 7.62. filling those would be a major pain in the ass. Opening them and getting the contents out would be a drag too. Unless they contained morphine, or some needed medication that was really concentrated. Cigarettes makes sense to me, because a 30 caliber cigarette seems about the correct size. I'm probably missing something obvious here, I do so often, so please don't think I'm trying to call you out in public, I just can't see the correlation here. I own a tokerev, because I accidentally bought a few mosin cases of 440 ends of 7.62x54 at a gun show, and they were incorrectly labeled. They turned out to be 1260 rnd cans of 7.62x25. The pistols were cheap at the time, 2010 or so, i think I paid $150 for a nice Romanian model, and bought a few more cans before they dried up, and got expensive. I'm very familiar with the rnd, and enjoy it much. I haven't shot it in some time, as I have only a couple cases left, and want to hang on to them. I recently ordered one of these in a parts kit, and will have it converted to semi. 1260 rounds in a FA would be pissing money away. I will be switching it to 9mm as well. Being familiar with the round though, it is about 1/3rd of an inch. 76.2 on the other hand is about 3". So about the size of a normal can of food. Could it have been coincidence? Cause they aren't the same size
Thank you, and sorry to sound like a mo mo if there is some very obvious reason why they correlate, and I'm too thick to realize. Hope your day was a fine one.
Sudayev managed to simplify it so much, Ian just basically shot a how-to video.
Most underrated comment of this section !!!
No joke. Im watching this thinking make a couple jigs with hand tools and use a manual shop press and I could crank out 8-10 of these a day with a little practice.
@@jameskiceiii6856 Forget a shop press, if you were a good blacksmith, you could probably make one of these things with a friggin hammer and some especially made forming dies.
Who needs improvised fire-arms when you can just copy the PPS-43...
Under 3 hour production time is insane. Going from sheets of metal, and a couple bars, into a fully functional, reliable gun, in 3 hours. Maybe it's because I work at a place where precision is so important it can sometimes take an entire day to drill a hole, but going from scrap metal to decent gun in 3 hours is unimaginable.
The German Sten gun copy was a single man hour as Ian mentioned in that video
@@alexm566 But not nearly as reliable as the 3 hr Soviet built PPS-43
@@Pablo-dw3wd at that point in the war, quantity mattered more than quality for the Germans
@@alexm566 Thankfully the Nazis were defeated by the quality and quantity of the soviet weapons.
@@Pablo-dw3wd and the massive British and American carpet bombing campaigns
And Gun Jesus DID look upon the PPS-43 AND saw that it was 'actually pretty darn good'.
😂😂😂😂😂
"Blessed are Soviet gun manufacturers for they shall inherit production funding" *-McCollum 5:5*
Amen
A great comment my friend!
Amen
If necessity is the mother of invention, then desperation is the bastard father.
I love that.
Now that's an universal axyoma, brother
Never have truer words been spoken...
：００
I’m going to steal that
I once heard on a Russian documentary that the first PPSs in Leningrad were made using metal bed frames donated by civilians and salvaged from destroyed houses
Correct
Illegal guns are made in backyard shops in the philippines from bulldozer pins,auto shaftings & they work
@@berniemorales9072 Is that sort of just... gang activity? Organized crime/cartel activity? Or is it political or ideological groups like the NPA that are making them for their needs?
@@Chironex_Fleckeri iirc they're likely sold overseas in places like America for a bit of a markup, though don't quote me on that
@@berniemorales9072 Khyber Pass comes to mind
two words here. SIMPLICITY PERFECTED. This is also one of the most aesthetically pleasing to behold. It is BEAUTIFUL to me.
To me the PPSH-41 is the most aesthetically pleasing. I'm a sucker for wood and steel. And let's face it, the drum mag really helps.
Remember. When designing a Machine Gun. Start with the Magazine. If you cannot feed rounds into the chamber. Doesn't matter how sci-fi and space age you make the gun. If it doesn't shoot those rounds. It doesn't work.
Even if it fires Lasers. If you do not have a good power supply. It still doesn't work. Always start with the Magazine.
Amazing how well a simple concept translates.
@AKUJIRULE Okay. More like balls of plasma.
As that is what a Blaster from Star Wars is like. As it is a special gas superheated by an electrical charge on firing. The color of the "bolt" varies on the gas.
Good, but not complete.
When you make a gun, you should start with a magazine.
When you make a magazine, you should start with a round.
When you make a round, you should start with a bullet.
When you make a bullet, you should start with a flesh.
That is the full sentense.
When you make a projectile you must find a purpose for that projectile
@@Qardo Speaking of which, we need to figure out how to do that.
Sidenote: The extreme conditions in Leningrad demanded a heavy price. Aside of the million dead more got their health extremly damaged, including Sudajev. He died due to its bad health condition shortly after the war.
Thats sad, seems like such a waste to lose such a genius to preventable causes.
@@ChinBiter47 If you see the 1941 german invasion of USSR a preventable thing you are something else
@@kaisernetic7089 The invasion itself might not have been preventable, but the complete Soviet unpreparedness for it definitely was. Much as I dislike the Soviets for what they did to my people, had they been prepared for the war much of Ukraine and Belarus might have been spared the devastation they endured when the war rolled across them one way then another.
AClockworkWizard well, no one expected funny mustache man to be stupid enough to declare a two front war
AClockworkWizard funny how you judge things you have no clue about. The level of preparedness of the Workers and Peasants’ Red Army rose sky-high in 1941 compared to 1939, as judged by real modern Russian historians such as Alexey Isayev, a specialist on the history of WWII
Estimated price is $16k-$25k for a sheet metal gun that took about 3 hours to make
It was just an observation, damn
Kenny Bright
It’s the authenticity that counts. Sure, you can try to make your own PPS in your garage, but it won’t ever be the same as the original PPS, nor will it be from 1944 Soviet Russia
TroubleTwo or you cold get a Polish-made one, which has better quality, for 200-300 $.
Pijawek, I'd like to buy me an American made Winchester m70, but the company made the decision for me not to manufacture in US. Therefore, am buying one made in Portugal. Which is cheaper? If you still haven't learned the lesson I'll take the Russian over the Polish and the American over the Portuguese. Can't have it both ways, well the US can, but not any other country.
Your paying for the history, as much as I dont have the funds or ability(Canadian).....if able Id bid.
Blame the National Firearms Act and the Hughes Amendment!
I read somewhere that the PPS 43 was actually cheaper to produce than the Sten. Amazing what a people can do when their backs are against the wall.
Equally amazing how the Germans underestimated such a people.
@@codieomeallain6635 im guessing the price of raw materials and machining... by machining i mean how much the tools cost and after how many units made they wear out
@@codieomeallain6635 The video literally says how many machining hours and kilograms of raw materials were needed to make a PPS-43. Go back to 4chan with your BS
@@Duncomrade I did not see that part. I am actually curious though what part of my comment you consider to be BS and originating on whatever the fuck 4chan is.
@@codieomeallain6635 4chan
@@codieomeallain6635 4chan
God this is an impressive work of engineering. I would consider this a work of engineering art. Based on the definition of engineering as the simplest and most cost effective manner in which to solve a problem. Absolutely no wasted material or labor time. I especially like the concept that it was so simple that it was capable of being produced concurrently with the PPSh-41 without interrupting either ones production. It may not be pretty; but damn is it beautiful.
I had to watch this through twice.
There's simple and stunningly simple. This is perhaps the best example I can think of not overthinking it.
It's even easier now, just get a 3d printer. Then all you'll need are barrels and springs(or just the metal that can't be substituted by polymer)
I see it as the best example of thinking of what needs doing - killing Nazis - how to do it - using automatic fire - and then finding the most economical way to make that tool
Look up the madsen smg, you thought this was simple, oh boy
@@jamallabarge2665 it was thinking what needs doing to defend homeland
@@tsugumorihoney2288
Wouldn't you agree, Sergei, that exterminating Nazis is how defending the homeland is accomplished?
The Nazis were bestial. They were wild animals or pigs. Except that most wild animals do not kill for amusement.
This gun looks like Ivan bent it with his bare hands out of metal laying around, so industrial.
Can confirm
I second that, the NFA has banned me from holding sheet metal thicker than 16ga
Justin Croatto I know right
still better looking then m3 grease gun :P
za derzhavu obidno? pridurok...
nothing speeds up development of a gun better than german artillery booming in the background
The Germans design 5 parts to accomplish 1 function.
The Russians design 1 part to accomplish 5 functions.
Dude you spot on man !!!!!!!
And then world wonders how and why we win wars lol
Makarovs forever! :D
@@ikay2102 because America and England supplied russia with all its raw materials to make weapons and vehicles after 1941. 85% of vehicle chassis used by the soviet union after 1941 were american made ford bodys. Russians manufacturing couldn't keep up with the amount of loses they were taking in 1941-1943. Germans were fighting 12-1 at times and only had limited world resources compared to the soviet union being aided by allies HEAVILY.
@@michaelmodaffari3624 Конечно вы используете свои источники информации, но вам стоит посмотреть как оценивают "помощь союзников" в России. Например самые тяжелые годы войны 1941-43г объём помощи был не велик, и только налаживался. А прелом в войне уже произошёл. Помощь союзников уменьшила потери и приблизила победу, но не была решающей. (*!сильно помогли поставки взрывчатки в первой половине войны, так как большую часть заводов потеряли) А сравнивая СССР и Германию вы забываете что на Германию работа почти вся Европа, с её рабочими, заводами и ресурсами, что сильно превосходило СССР. Когда в СССР на заводах работали женщины и дети, на Германию работали профессиональные рабочие Австрии, Польши, Чехии, Франции итд.
@Crimson Idol since there is a thing like Google translate, understanding another language is not a problem anymore.
"Really interesting" is code for "I am totally bidding on this"
Todd Howard todd plz stahp creation club
I'm not gonna buy Skyrim
I dont think he ended up with this one, did you see the price tag on it?
Now I know where all funds for development Fallout 76 went, Todd. You bought all this guns at RIA and make entire development team hostages until they finished the game, aren't you?
It just works.
PPS were made by different factories, and this particular one in video were made by Moscow "Schetmash" ("Счетмаш", literally just "Counting machines") factory. You can say it by big "C" above year of production.
Counting machines... lol wartime arithmetics - count those Fritzes with this counting machine, comrade.
This war messed things up quite a bit. If the facility has the appropriate tools, then military will dump it's orders on it.
For example, the most prominent Russian tank manufacturing facility is called "Uralvagonzavod" ("Уралвагонзавод" or "УВЗ" in short), it's name can be literally translated as "Urals train carriage factory". Same story.
It counts to 35.
Remington Rand also made 1911s. Many other examples.
@@5647mhjgt как раз производство бронетехники на паровозостроительных заводах не является чем-то необычным. У тех же американцев танки производили в том числе ALCO и Baldwin Locomotive Works, а у британцев - Vulcan Foundry. Причина проста - тяжёлое машиностроение было в первую очередь на них.
For non-russian users - there are nothing special in building tanks on locomotive factories - just look where are your M4s and Matildas were build.
Being made and designed in Linengrad, this goes beyond politics; beyond economics.
This weapon was designed in the crucible of human resistance and will. It is the physical representation of human will to survive.
Where can I get this in a bullpup? XD
Leningrad*
Linen
I'm opening up a homewares chain outlet called Linengrad.
Too survive??? No, to kill the enemy!
Linengrad, your one-stop destination for glorious Soviet bedsheets and tablecloths
When you realize that the multitasking has reached godlike levels 12:38
AND AGAIN!!!!!🙀 14:12
Damn straight. Stuff like this gets me giddy.
Genius, this is without a doubt the best engineered smg during WW2. Excellent !
MP 40 was prolly a better shooter, and the grease gun was even cheaper and easier to use.
Actually, MP40 was worse shooter. Just compare accuracy, handling and energy, ballistics. Germany selected PPS-43 derivative for border police in the fifties instead of MP-40 not without reasons. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUX_submachine_gun
+TheGrantourismo Well it was East Germany, under occupation by the Sovjets. They wouldn't use a "Nazi" weapon anyway.
@@fabiankonrath2804 Actually it says in the Dux wiki article that it was used by WEST Germany.
I disagree with all of you. The italian beretta 38A
this is a very ridiculously clever design.
Not gonna lie. The simplicity of this gun is kinda awesome.
Which came first.hk or aka did Kalashnikov in ent the al or just copy a German design
@@jamesbeckwith5771 what
This might be the best subgun of WWII. It was compact, cheap and easy to make, was made from sheet steel, had a modern, well-designed magazine, still had a barrel shroud, was very simple, had a reasonable rate of fire that still allowed it to be a subgun but not as cumbersome and wasteful as the PPSH, and ACTUALLY RECOGNIZED HOW SOLDIERS HELD THE GUN.
brilliant design done with the war outside their door
Russians and Germans both have reputations for developing spectacular firearms. However, their methods are opposites. Germany produces very complicated and sometimes overly-complex guns with all sorts of bizarre features which work beautifully but need very tight tolerances. Russia produces extremely simplistic guns which work so well because they're robust and reliable to the point of absurdity.
It's a matter of philosophy. Think about it. The nazis deemed themselves as the superior race, the Aryans, the supreme overlords of mankind. for them, with their insane megalomania, nothing less than a grandiose weapon of spectacular capabilities would do. Their insanity quickly translated to their designs, making over-complicated designs that from a battlefield perspective were more of a show-off than anything useful, just think of the Panzer VII könig tiger.
The soviets were a nation of farmers rushed, by need and desperation, into the industrial era. For them, simplification was a necessity, and they would take that concept and run with it. They eventually made it from a need, into an advantage, a key feature of all soviet design: simplicity. After all, as Nicolas Cage put it, when describing shooting the most renowned Soviet weapon in all of it's short history, the AK-47 "it's so easy, even a child can use it; and they do.".
Told it to AN-94 and other Unique russian weapons. VSS, APS (Not Pistol), PSM and etc.
Rinaldo Man those are relatively recent weapons far removed from the desperation for robust weaponry as the soviets edged closer and closer to capitulation
@@icecold1805 it's not about farmers but socialist government. people made things out of nothing, because they need to make them. it burst their creativity. polish firearms during WWII were too made out of nothing but they were very effective, but still simple.
@@qv8281 Yeah yeah, but as i said, at first it was a necessity and later they turned it into an advantage, and the AK-47 certainly falls on the latter of the two. Still, the whole "simple is better" soviet philosophy is perfectly exemplified by that weapon, even if it wasn't built out of desperation.
You are sorely wrong
PPD means Pew Pew Death
PPSH means Pew Pew Shoots Hellfire
PPS means Pew Pew Shoots (notably simplified)
The truth simplified
More like Pew Pew a Shitstorm for the middle one, the two last letters are representing one Russian letter with the sound ‘sh’, like ‘sheep’
Pew pew spam
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ppd=penis penis dick
Уровень информации очень высокий, не только о самом автомате, но и о истории разработки, производства, задачах поставленных перед инженером. Красавчик, уважаю ✊ такой подход
"IVAN! WE NEED MORE GUN! NOT ENOUGH PAPASHAS!"
"Then make English Sten, Alexei. Easy and quick to make those."
"Blyet! We're desperate but still have standards! I make better Sten, blin, where is scrap metal pile?"
do you watch life of boris blin?
wait didnt the finns kick the soviets asses for most of that war even though the soviets won the continuation war finland was never conquered and finland was busy fighting two enemies during that time russia and Germany, turns out the finns didnt like the germans scorching their farmland or something have to read an article about it again
Banzai Sniper technically the Finns lost... But it was a much smaller loss than the Russians intended...
Well, Germany and Finnland were not fighting each other in ww2...
Guy Pierson but they kicked them out of finland to norway at the end of the war so....
Goddamn, Sudayev was an absolute genius.
yes him and Mr Colt, Mr Patterson should have consulted with him.......1850's....etc
If I could take a medical team back in time to save one person, I think I'd choose Sudayev.
I am Russian, and thank you Ian for a good history lesson. Well done, mate.
Ни одной лишней детали, вот это конструкторский гений!
По русски ,дешево и красиво.ну и технологично
скорее необходимость
@@DVXDemetrivs и это правильно
@@DVXDemetrivs это гений. Дешевое, массовое оружие, не требующие для производства квалифицированных кадров и сложного, дорогостоящего оборудования, при все этом имеющее довольно высокие рамки надежности, кучности и удобства пользователя. Нет, это гений оружейника. Благодаря этому выигрываются войны, т.к. для войны нужны - деньги, деньги и еще раз деньги.
Пистолет-пулемет (Pee-stoh-let Poo-leh-moet) literally translates to "bullet-throwing pistol" or "machine pistol". The пулемет by itself is "machine gun".
Arcadiy Ivanov *boolet-throwing peestol
EpicThe112 The Germans loved these almost as much as they loved ppsh 41.
Артём Козлов true. And who can blame Them?
@ Lesh
Not so weird. In french it's pistolet mitrailleur(smg), "mitrailleur/mitrailleuse (mg)" comes from "Mitraille" (grapeshot).
Arcadiy Ivanov Poo-poo moet!
PP should stand for "pew pew"
DenInDaWuds "pew pew" 650-800 rounds/mins
"pewski pewski"
DenInDaWuds
Ah, yes, the majestic pew-pew-shooty-43
archimaede I was not aware that somebody had already made this comment. I have not watched the PPD video, although just now I scrolled through the comments and found the one you were talking about.
Get in the bag!
I'm a soldier in the Norwegian Home Guard, and during an exercise recently I found in a pile of plastic fake weapons a very not fake and metal one. After some research, it turned out to be one of these. Cool find! It was deactivated. Was also stamped with what appeared to be the Swedish "Three Crowns" symbol and the year 1952. Maybe Sweden was one of the countries that escaped Ian's mind here?
(And, of course, I took lotsa cool pics posing with it 😎)
Old joke.
Somewhere in Leningrad, a pair of old lady's are speaking to each other. The first tells the other "You know how I work at the samovar factory ? Well, mine was broken at home, so I've been sneaking home parts and pieces. Funny thing, every-time I assemble it, it turns out to be a pulemyot."
*ladies **pistolet-pulemyot
@@rrolf71 It's not even that much of a joke, Soviet factories were designed to be able to switch to war production quickly. Literally change some parts, and you are ready for war.
@@ceu160193 soviet cigarettes were 7.62 mm in diameter. Wonder why...
@@nameirrelevant1114 You guessed it right - same machines used to roll cigarettes could be reconfigured for ammo production. Tractor factory, for instance, would produce tanks instead.
There is joke about "peaceful Soviet tractor", that was attacked by Chinese and successfully defended itself, then activated flight mode and took off.
As a Russian, I heard the joke differently (and only in this form) : No matter what we try to assemble, we end up with an AK.
Sudayev also developed a assualt rifle called the AS 44 but he died before he could finish it.
@@kingcobra7183 are you drunk or smth
April Rising Correct
During the siege of leningrad, guns where fired from the factory's window toward the Germans to test them
Hey and why not, many targets and some running around.
That is a legend. Germans already had man-portable mortars, and if they would have a direct line of sight to the factory from their positions, they would have leveled it.
@@MaximilianBrandt What can you expect from Soviet Russia other than Communist propaganda?
Iron Raccoon
Little fish eggs to go with a chilled bottle of Dom.
Soviet Russia
That factory had efficient management, with amazing forethought. Someone deserves a promotion.
As a sheet metal guy this is basically porn
I’ve never heard anything as sad in my life
PMOL QRCD Lmao
@@pmolqrcd3370 sheet metal is fucking rad you philistine
@@evancrosley2857 '' rad '' ?? = ingenious, sir
Imagine you finding the plans for this somehow and now you can make them yourself
Whoever did the English subtitles for this video deserves a standing ovation. Not only were they accurate and easy to follow, but they also had extra tidbits of trivia that (for the most part) didn’t interfere with reading the subs.
As someone who uses subtitles a lot (mainly for foreign language stuff and because they make my life easier), these please me. I’m aware that this video is 5+ years old, but I don’t care; I need to let folks know that these subtitles are excellent.
Diehard I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
Holy shit.. I could make one of these in my shed it's so simple. I honestly think it's quite genius, after all the more simple a gun is usually translates into a better design in general
yup a small lathe, drill press, a milling machine, belt grinder, and 20 ton press, spot welder, mig welder.....your now a ''gun maker '' old shopguy
That is an ingeniously simple design. I'd never seen one disassembled before. That, and the 7.62x25mm caliber makes me want one so badly, now.
I just saw one on my local private party gun sales site, it's got everything for full auto conversion too, hope you got yours by now lol
I've never seen a more beautifully simple design
Great movie, I'm taking my hat off.
A couple of points.
When you talk about the price of the gun it starts to seem that the PPSH was more expensive. This is wrong. The PPsH wasn't just cheap, it was incredibly cheap to produce. His predecessor, PPD, was really expensive - the price of PPD was more than 1500 rubles, it was more expensive than a manual machine gun DP. PPD and DP were created by one of the best armourers of the USSR - Degtyarev.
Shpagin was a disciple of Degtyarev. The first work of Shpagin-completion of a large-caliber machine gun Degtyarev-DK-32 (Degtyarev large-caliber, 1932), 12.7 mm. it was a fine machine gun, but was supplied from a drum for 30 rounds. This did not suit the military, and in 1935 production was stopped. Shpagin modified the machine gun under a tape of cartridges, and in 1938 the machine gun again went into production. Degtyarev said then that the creation of the machine gun merit Shpagin not less than Degtyarev, and insisted that the name of the machine gun was changed to DShK: Degtyarev - Shpagin large-Caliber.
Then Shpagin began to change the PPD, and the main task was to reduce prices. As a result, only the principle of automation and the disk clip remained from PPD. The first PPSH cost 500 rubles, but during the war their price fell to 150 rubles. 10 times cheaper than PPD. PCA was even cheaper than the Mosin rifle, which cost 190 rubles.
But the PPSH was heavy and big, was not suitable for tankers and paratroopers, there were also problems with a round cartridge. Therefore, a new contest was announced, and PPS won it.
No one believed that it is possible to make a gun cheaper than the PPSH - Sudaev did it. According to the plan, it was so simple that in the surrounded Leningrad it was produced even in a small private, non - state-owned farm called "Primus" - "kerosene stove". Because before the war, this mini-factory produced kerosene stoves.
And another interesting point. PPS is a really redesigned submachine gun of Bezruchko-Vysotsky. Sudaev and Bezruchko-Vysotsky worked together at the test center of the GAU (main artillery Department), and commanded this center Colonel Lyuty. He turned the test site into a powerful design organization, where he selected promising young gunsmiths, provided access to any samples of weapons from all over the world and all designers worked together, learning from each other.
In 1942, a young Sergeant Mikhail Kalashnikov was appointed to this testing center of the GAU, because he was recognized as a talented gunsmith. And if you look at the receiver PPS and AK - you will see there are some common ideas.
And the older generation of gunsmiths, like Degtyarev, continued to work. Degtyarev studied under the Gunsmith Fedorov-the one who invented one of the first assault rifles in 1915, he was called the father of Russian automatic weapons. And in 1947, the factory Degtyarev, in the town Kovrov, was sent with a prototype Kalashnikov AK-to finalize and create a set of drawings. But assault rifles for the competition against the AK made several different designers, including Degtyarev.
When Kalashnikov came to the arms factory, Degtyarev, who was then the main armorer of the USSR, carefully studied his AK, long discussed it with Kalashnikov. And finally said, " well, boy, your gun is ready, go to the competition. And I'm not going to compete because your AK is better than my rifle!"
> it was so simple that in the surrounded Leningrad it began to produce even in a small private, not owned by the state artel, which was called "Primus"
to be correct - those guys were in no way "small". Read kris-reid.livejournal.com/660569.html
That's right. Many people, telling that the Soviet economy was against business. But they just do not know that under Stalin, non - state enterprises - called artel-had a lot of help from the state, free loans, subsidies and often developed into very large enterprises.
So, it is known that the artel "Progress radio" in 1930 produced radios, and in 1939 even established serial production and sale of television receivers on the cathode ray tube. For 1939 this is the same peak technology as it is now manufacturing its own CPUs now
During the war they produced radar stations RUS-2. And it is not a state-owned company.
But this does not negate the fact - PPS really turned out to be incredibly simple and cheap to produce, even cheaper than PPSH.
Азамат Карданов thank you for this fascinating history!
I would easily choose this over the sten. Anybody agrees?
hoangvan0925 Absolutely! The sten is simple, but this is brilliantly simple. It can't help but work reliably.
Kevin McAspurn if this thing breaks down, it's probably because a tank has run over it, or it's been in a lake for 70 years. Looking at the internals, it looks like there is literally nothing that could break, unless you tried to break it
Over a Sten yes, over a Sterling, no.
For what the estimate for this gun is, I could buy a lathe, a mill and a press and start making them myself.
Bah, Stens are really nothing other than hand grenades in 9mm caliber.
If i was able to own only one fully automatic weapon, this would be it. I can fix it using bar stock, welding and stuff generally lying around my place. I've also become a big proponent for the cartridge it fires too. 7.62x25 is a really nasty round out of a long barrel, as well as excellent accuracy.
actually i had in mind a slightly longer barrel and shroud etc and punch mlock holes/top bottom rails and a single stack mag in .480 ruger.
Totally agree
I don’t ‘want my MTV’
I want my PPS SMG - especially when in umm Dire Straits 😅
30 Super?
the incredible simplicity and attention to manufacturing is more impressive to me than any over designed marvel. When Ian "disassembled" it I paused the vid because I couldn't believe it was that simple. The thing is built like an erector set yet managed to be one of the best weapons of the war.
Remarkable Little touches abound in this! I particularly like the guide rod doubling as the ejector plunger is amazing as is the trigger return spring doing double duty as the disassembly catch spring... It's a work of genius. Great video
Soviet Weapons are in many ways a testament to the tremendous achievements of Soviet industrialization. This is a society that went from an agrarian country that lost most of its heavy industry and half its industrial workforce, to outproducing the German industry (when Germany was at its peak and controlled most of continental Europe), in less than 20 years. And it did so while more or less shrugging off what is arguably the most destructive invasion in world history. Less than 15 years later it put the first artificial satellite into space and then the first human.
And they did it by building things that did their job well while being incredibly cheap to produce. And some of them were still actually better than what everyone else had. The Germans had to basically switch to building heavy tanks in order to overpower the T-34, and then the Red Army just came up with a vastly better T-34.
And because these things were incredibly cheap, they could afford to equip their whole army with them instead of just some elite units, or just the officers.
Our world is so much poorer for their being gone now. Thank you for this wonderful comment.
@@conzmoleman yes it‘s true. Despite the mistakes that were made and the flaws, the fall of the USSR represents a defeat that has massively thrown back the working class cause, so that it still has not recovered more than 30 years later. Especially in the realm of political programs.
Unfortunately this means that the revolutions that are happening now (and the few that happened in the meantime) have had to start from scratch when it comes to political ideas and how they can win. The communist parties are split and confused beyond measure, it‘s a mess.
But still things are happening. The Revolution in Sudan, for example, has created committees of struggle that are essentially embryonic workers‘ councils (soviets). They played a key role in beating back the military coup earlier this year. The lack of a political organization and programme for the workers has certainly been a big obstacle, and will continue to be for a while, but it‘s also clear that things are inevitably developing now toward a break with capitalism in pretty much all the countries gripped by the new revolutionary movements.
@@raylast3873 Cheers, Ray. Do you have a twitter? I’d happily follow if so. My username is the same as here. 98% my content is pro-communist / anti-imperialist agitprop.
@@conzmoleman haha, I‘m not on Twitter (too old probably), just YT and Facebook. I am in an organization with a website tho if you wanna read our publications. Lots of stuff on current revolutions like Sri Lanka.
@@raylast3873 Absolutely, direct me to it.
A perfect video title! This is the quintessence of simplicity, cost-effectiveness, and reliability in the fine art of gun manufacturing. By the way, PPS stands for "Pistolet-Pulemyot Sudayeva", that is, Sudayev's submachine gun.
Goddamn this is a simple gun to make and maintain. Looking at it's simple, yet clever design (The magazine latch "protector", guide rod extractor and Flash Hider etc.), this is quite a beautiful gun, in a strange way.
Honestly this is one of the best made guns i've seen so far, so little parts and things that can break. Should be super easy to maintain and if something is wrong it should be pretty easy to fix
I appreciate guy, who made subtitles for this video for adding russian letters and how to pronounce them. Good job, comrade!
You didn't mention the difference between PPS-42 and PPS-43. There are 3 of them. 1 - PPS-43 has 20mm shorter barrel then 42. 2 - the sheet metal used for PPS-43 is 2 mm thick, instead of 1.5mm on 42. 3 - buttstock on PPS-43 is about 50mm shorter then on 42. The main goal was to make a shassi of a gun more rigid (2mm thick metal sheet) but without making the gun heavier (shorter barrel and stock).
Most practical/effective gun ever made
Спасибо за подробный обзор!👍 Действительно, удивительно простая конструкция, как кажется. Но за этим стоит большой труд конструктора и технологов. Вот немцам почему-то не удалось создать столь же поостой, технологичный и эффективный пистолет-пулемёт. Тем более удиаителен подвиг рабочих Ленинграда, которые сделали это, как вы и сказали. Ещё удивительно, что ППС-42 применялся не только при обороне Ленинграда, где производился, но его большими партиями с большим трудом и жертвами вывозили из осаждённого города и вооружали остальные войска. Здоровья всем и удачи!
Так и знал что должен быть русский комент
@@abdulabdanahib9617, ну а фигли ж нам, кучерявым, не откомментиться, если по нраву?😉 И не только по советским. У этих ребят все обзоры нормальные, всё только по делу. И всё интересно.
I didn't had a great impression of PPS-43 but I have to admit, I never tought it would be so practical, it seems like it must handle pretty well
The reason why Poland produced them is that Poland was under Russian occupation after the war.
Piotr Aria Bullshit, entire finland was never occupied.
PPS-43 is probably the best SMG of WW2, the weight, ammo penetration and recoil are superb.
Good Russian pronunciation at this time except Sudayev name. Actually his name sounds not like , but like - Sooo-die-ev
rossomachin Why do I hear Phil Collins crooning this over and over
God this gun is the literal definition of trial by fire. That spring rod/ejection system is so clever.
Four of my dead relatives were military, all on allied side, during World War ll. None died, during the war. In fact of of them died old and by peaceful ways. I'm a Brazilian and I live in Brazil. Without the huge sacrifice of persons from former Soviet Union, the history of these would be different.
One of them was just a cook on Belgium Army. In 1940, he was enslaved and when he was liberated, in 1945, he almost died of famine. To be a slave of Austrian and German Nazists was so "good", that he had terrible nightmares for the rest of his life. After all, he died in Belgium in upper middle class and old.
I’m guessing one of them was in the “Smoking Snakes”?
Да. Тут остались огромные безлюдные территории, как результат войны 1812 года и Великой Отечественной войны.
That's one amazing gun. The design is so functionally simple it staggers belief. I need one!
An excellent example of brilliant engineering coming up with something so damn brilliat yet simple. Thanks for another great video!
I was actually some what stunned at the simplicity of this ... Its very impressive ...
14:55 Even Ian is impressed with how simple and fully functional this absolute unit is. I caught that giggle and pause of admiration when the slide settled home. Love your vids man! never Stop! Gun Jesus lives!!
I like how you can tell when Ian obviously REALLY likes something and wants to buy it but is trying to remain as neutral as possible
I feel like the semi auto pistol imported versions could be an easy first time sbr project. Kinda wish i got one back when they were cheaper.
Germans in WW2: Ahead of its time
Russians in WW2: Simplicity redefined
At the same time, 90% of germans were armed with bolt action rifles, while soviets had the highest rate of using of full-auto weapons and were on #2 in terms of semi-auto rifle usage with their SVT-40.
@@lovepeace9727 never thought abt that but is true asf
@@lovepeace9727 Both sides used millions of horses to drag most of their equipment
@@lovepeace9727 I'm gonna assume #1 on semi automatic rifle usage was the Western Allies with Garands and M1 carbines?
@@ArcturusOTE
Yes, USA was on #1
If you're late to the party and watching this in 2022, switch on the subtitles and you will see that there's more info in them than Ian is actually saying. I've never before seen "CC PLUS". Bravo.
Hjerte I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
It is really amazing how simple a fully automatic weapon can be. This, the Sten, and the grease gun are all absurdly beautiful in their simplicity.
I love my PPS43c 9mm with SB Tactical FS1913 side folding brace.
I also found a custom bolt on front rail and mounted a Holosun 507c.
I am amazed by how accurate this pistol is.
Thanks Ian. The simplicity of some auto pistols and SMGs has always impressed me.
I dont know why people are saying that PPS-43 doesent look good , just look at Grease guns or Sten guns , they are even uglier lol
sten gun doesn't look ugly, it look super awkward.
Grease gun looks okay, but Sten is horrific!
@@S1lverarrow boy, the Sten is ugly as hell. It looks like someone took all of the furniture off an MP28, slapped a wire stock on it and called it a day.
KISS principle intensifies
M1TGLIED it's like a caulking gun.
I could probably make this gun in my schools metal shop XD
@@tonymays4342 Oh...
Its like the T-34 of guns
Early T-34s had innumerable breakdowns due to unreliable engines and transmissions (eerily similar to early Panthers and Tigers, funnily enough). Also the early T-34 engine had an EXPECTED service life of about 100 hours before killing itself, which is why the crews were so abysmally badly trained. It simply wasn't possible to have them train on their tanks because they would considerably shorten the already very short life expectancy of the engine. Took them quite some time to get all those "kinks" worked out of the system, the PPS stands head and shoulders above the T-34 in that regard. Then again, designing a reliable SMG is several orders of magnitude easier than designing an entire tank to work reliably.
The same shit?😁
jonny j what makes it so advanced? Nothing really, the sloped armor isn’t special to a T-34 by the time it arrived in the world, ww1 tanks had sloping armor and the French used it quite a lot in their interwar designs
@@nindger4270 T34 desigh was good but the manufactring is shiet
Why am I in love with such a simplistic gun?
Thanks for the detailed review!👍 Indeed, a surprisingly simple design, as it seems. But this involves a lot of work of the designer and technologists. For some reason, the Germans failed to create an equally simple, technologically advanced and efficient submachine gun. The feat of the workers of Leningrad, who did this, as you said, is even more surprising. It is even more surprising that PPS-42 was used not only during the defense of Leningrad, where it was manufactured. PPS-42 in large parties with great difficulty and victims was taken out of the besieged city to arm the rest of the troops. Health to all and good luck!
I ve been waiting for the pps43 for a long time. Thank you!
klaasvaak0413 Me too! It's also my favorite:-)
When Finns copied it, the price of each gun was 749 marks. It came with five drum magazines 200 marks each. This shows the problem the magazines caused. A Suomi SMG was about 3500 marks.
PPS cheap junk , for gun fodder .
Aren't soldiers in ww2 typically cannon fodder to begin with?
You'd be expected to charge into a machine gun nest regardless of support especially on the eastern front no matter what faction you're in
@@fulcrum2951 What your choice in fight ,Suomi or pps ?
@@ivandogshit7880 Ты дегенерат.
@@exodus1621 ОООООО . Пиши ишшо . :)
What a fascinating submachine gun. I never realized just how simple and effective that gun was.
potential issue is the mag release guard being a bit small when wearing heavy, ill-fitting gloves; then I realized that maybe we're not seeing the thing at a good scale. It was designed by people who lived in an icebox, so, yeah.....
Probably one of my favorite gun designs. simple, easy to maintain. had this guy been tasked with it, he'd full well have been capable of creating a version that allowed for barrel-swapping, and semi-auto operation, meant for the average farmer/rancher/traveler who wanted an inexpensive yet capable small firearm.
You look at this thing....it's not going to crack when you drop it, it isn't going to melt, it isn't a status symbol. It's a form-follows-function weapon to be operated by a 15-20 year-old soldier scared out of his/her uniform.
Love this video. One of the coolest guns I've ever seen and this is the first time I've ever heard of it! Keep the awesome videos coming my man.
The Finnish copy of PPS-43 , KP-44 continued it's life when the owner of Tikkakoski company, Willi Daugs went to Germany and Spain. He sold the design to Spanish factories and produced several versions as DUX SMG in 1950s.
And the finnish peacekeepers used them into 1970's
PPS-43 was absolutely perfect in the siege of Leningrad when the less metal used for making the weapon made it perfect when Leningrad was cut off from supplies. Unfortunately, Sudayev died too soon, probably due to the toll on his health during his time in Leningrad. He died in 1946 at the age of 34.
Even Kalashnikov in his memoir said that the whole Soviet arms industry took a huge loss. Not every person could rise to the peak in such a short time when professional designers could take years or decades to make it. Kalashnikov described Sudayev as a man who was very critical and objective when judging and examining his guns and others'. If you watch the film AK-47 (2020), which is a Russian film, you can see many scenes when Sudayev was really weak but he still tried his best to give Kalashnikov advice on his AK.
I keep coming back and watching this. I love simple when simple works very well.
Finally! A video about my favorite smg, could you do a pps 43 build video considering they are so simple?
Verbatim So?
Verbatim I think they look cool
Carl Smith i think it would be alot easier to build the sten mark2 or 3
gabber88ful The Sten would probably be easier, as it's possible to just buy a tube suitable for the reciever, as opposed to setting up to stamp or bend the sheet metal for the PPS receivers.
Not really. No NFA paperwork if built as a semi-auto pistol or rifle. As far as bending, I made my own jig out of two square tubes, some threaded rod & nuts, and a piece of gas pipe. Bending a flat is as simple as turning a wrench. Anyone interested in building, checkout the Weaponsguild and prepare for info overload.
Parts Kits for these are fairly cheap and readily available in the USA. A fairly easy build. Only hard part is the bolt work and fcg.
Just get a Polish PPS pistol, get a tax stamp and unweld the stock. Then you have a PPS-43 without the open bolt and full auto.
chrisloUSA - those are fugly. They have a big bulge in the front where they splice the new semi auto rear half with a surplus "snout" cut of a demilled gun. Some people will not notice it, but if you know the pps43, it stands out like crazy and looms dumb. Building your own and doing a proper weld job makes it look nearly original.
Mojopin How about reading the comments before running your mouth? I already mentioned it wouldn't have full auto and a SBR with a tax stamp, that I mentioned, is legal.
Rcbif Indeed but it's all a question of how much skill you have or how much money you want to invest into having someone do that for you.
Mojopin Whatever, baby...
I drooled like a little boy for 17.39 mins.
Once again Russian simplicity at its best...
Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it does not work you can always hit him with it.
Like Superman...lets six shots ricochet off his chest, then ducks when the gun is thrown at him.
Because he dodges bullets, Avi.
Alas, in games it'll always be overshadowed because the factors that make this better than the PPSh-41 will never be in an FPS.
It's in Call of Duty 2 ;)
Hidden & Dangerous 2 as well, together with the PPSH-41. Though you gotta use cheat codes to get any good use out of them, as they appear normally only at the very end of the last mission of the single player campaign.
Oh, hi fellow Xerxes!
Ya, in cod2 i preferred this thing for the fire rate... 142 ppsh rounds and 142 pps rounds last a very different amount of time
Red Orchestra Ostfront had this gun, a fantastic multiplayer fps
Red Orchestra 2 has it.
This is my most favorite firearm of all time.
I have never seen a more in-depth simple understandable review of products that you do especially guns
Aston I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
This is the most beautifully simple gun I have ever seen.
G'Day, when you compare this to an expensive Thompson, unreliable Sten, a truly great design, if not the best from WW2.
Brian Tayler what about the Complex as fuck-40
@@redcrewmate8103 If you're referring to the MP40 it wasn't complex
Question of preference. This or the PPSh. I would not be able to pick just one.
@yeoldebiggetee Which means, it wasn't that reliable.
Damn its so simple. I am almost tempted to make my own someday. Brilliantly simple design.
You can go shoot one of these in Kissimmee, Florida at Machine Guns America. It was a blast! The one I shot stove-piped a lot, but it was still my favorite. Much lighter than a Thompson, yet 100% better recoil control. It could just drill the center of the target with little effort.
Perkins I suggest watch a 13 part series called _What on earth happened_ by Ewaranon to learn that the earth is not a globe. I got it in my about tab.
@@flat-earther I suggest you watch a partial lunar eclipse.
That’s mind boggling to think someone was smart enough to create something so simple yet so effective