Furniture PRO Tells You What Adhesive You Should Use

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  • Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
  • Tom Johnson of Thomas Johnson Antique Furniture Restoration in Gorham, Maine . Tom has been restoring furniture professionally since 1979. Visit our website at www.thomasjohns..., call us at (207) 222-2266, or write us at thomasjohnsonrestoration@gmail.com. And for those on the west coast looking for custom framing, be sure to check out Tom's daughter's shop, www.emcollier.com (@emcollierframes on Instagram).

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  • @kevinzufall
    @kevinzufall Год назад +8

    I also love the format of two great craftsmen sharing their vast knowledge and expertise. Well done gentlemen!

  • @hanaaa6394
    @hanaaa6394 Год назад +20

    I admire and respect Tom and Scott very much. I watch them both because I love restoration and not redesign. I liked this video and I am looking forward to more collaborations. I am so allergic to all woods and chemicals so my viewing is for vicarious pleasure.

  • @RumMonkeyable
    @RumMonkeyable Год назад +11

    Love learning from professionals who know their stuff! Thank you, Mr. Johnson. 👍👏✨

  • @tombaker3794
    @tombaker3794 Год назад +32

    Thank you both gentlemen, for your efforts in YT, two of the most beneficial channels to me as an amateur woodworker. I enjoy the knowledge you provide along with full descriptions as to "why". And, for some reason the repair & restoration aspect of woodworking I find to be very interesting to me. Maybe it's because I've had to use your techniques to correct so many of my mistakes while making new projects.
    Thank you Tom & Scott, your videos are very much appreciated.

  • @aaqilian5.085
    @aaqilian5.085 Год назад +32

    This was a great collab. Good to see humility among such knowledgeable people who are willing to continue learning. Cheers, gents!

  • @sharonshields1482
    @sharonshields1482 Год назад +13

    Thank you both for sharing your knowledge. I enjoy watching furniture repair videos from both of you. Please keep the conversation going.

  • @cece624
    @cece624 Год назад +6

    Tom and Scott, I follow both of your channels, and enjoy it when YT “mentors” collaborate. 😮 Learning a lot from both channels!!
    Please do more of these topical collaborations; they are excellent resources and references.

  • @billk8780
    @billk8780 Год назад +4

    Well I was certainly glued to my screen! Thanks to you guys for a great collaborative format.

  • @lourias
    @lourias Год назад +1

    Thank you for leaving the advertisements for the end. A great conversation, even if it is with oneself, should never be interrupted. Y'all did a great job of making the questions and answers flow without all that fluff other creators do! I like when folks get to the point!

  • @Festus171
    @Festus171 Год назад +7

    Excellent presentation! Although I've been following this channel for over a year now, I recently watched one of Scott's videos, so I was delighted to see this collaboration. I think you gents could present several topics beyond gluing. What I enjoy about this style of presentation is that you each deal with different types of furniture repair. Seeing you compare notes would provide viewers with a much better understanding of the processes involved in all types of furniture repair. Thanks for the great information source!

  • @jamesthompson8133
    @jamesthompson8133 7 месяцев назад +1

    This was a very good educational video! Thank y’all so much for teaching most of us information that most of us didn’t know. I could watch these videos for hours and enjoy every minute of them while learning so much. Thanks again guys!!

  • @jenniferstewart1437
    @jenniferstewart1437 Год назад +2

    I love the format of both of you together. So much good information.

  • @Donnie_M.
    @Donnie_M. Год назад +2

    What an excellent collaboration. You guys come across as pros. Such a wealth of knowledge. Thank you guys for doing this.

  • @mokimmy6457
    @mokimmy6457 Год назад

    Love the open exchange of info and ideas to help everyone work a bit smarter! Please do it again! Thanks guys 👍🏼

  • @knottyal2428
    @knottyal2428 Год назад +6

    Thank you to both of you for this expose of a sticky subject!
    I have found epoxy adhesives to be extremely effective in other repairs in the workshop and at home. But there's no going back once the stuff has cured, so be sure to get the components exactly in position.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      That's exactly right - in fact it's true of all glue ups regardless - you must get it positioned absolutely correctly

  • @1977dharris
    @1977dharris Год назад

    This was a great resource for me. It's really great to have something I can go back to that has a specific direction for each glue instead of scrolling through many different videos looking for an example to copy.

  • @vincevecchiarelli6732
    @vincevecchiarelli6732 Год назад +1

    Sharing your knowledge and passing down your experience is priceless. Thank you for your willingness to teach and share the tremendous skill.

  • @shannonvans
    @shannonvans Год назад

    Great to see 2 channels I watch get together to share knowledge. Can't wait to see your future collaborations!

  • @shabbydoll
    @shabbydoll Год назад +1

    My top favorites together! Really liked this collaborative exchange. Nice job! ...oh and YES on clamps as a topic.

  • @katherineharper-sj4ys
    @katherineharper-sj4ys Год назад

    Two of the best. I have learned an enormous amount from you two gentlemen. Thank you both.

  • @vickiefowler1429
    @vickiefowler1429 Год назад +4

    I love the format - two great craftsmen sharing their vast knowledge and expertise. This literally answered every question I had about glues! I’m anxious to see the next ones where you discuss clamps and saws, but I would also like to see a video about finishes and how you decide what to use and when to use them. Is it simply a matter of preference or the use an item will see or are there choices you make due to the wood or stain used? I like an oil or wax finish - but, I fear this would not be suitable in all applications. Deciding on a finish is my biggest dilemma!

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад +1

      Thanks Vickie! I always say the best finish is the one that works for you!

  • @FixingFurniture
    @FixingFurniture Год назад +1

    That was a fun video to put together with you Tom. Have a great weekend! Scott

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад +1

      Hi Scott! I was going to let you know I was re-publishing this one - you beat me to it!

  • @robinredman5192
    @robinredman5192 Год назад

    I enjoyed the collaboration very very much. Thank you Thomas and Scott. John here, from the back-roads of Northeastern Tennessee.

  • @blairegilley442
    @blairegilley442 Год назад +2

    Good morning brother! Thank you for all The videos!

  • @kengrubb
    @kengrubb Год назад

    I like this collaboration between you and Scott. You both are amazing resources.

  • @christinemiller7238
    @christinemiller7238 Год назад

    I love that you guys did this. Some great men in our world!

  • @mikevukas9818
    @mikevukas9818 Год назад

    I like the format- nice to hear multiple takes on shop processes

  • @davidbamford4721
    @davidbamford4721 Год назад +2

    Hello Tom, when I was doing woodwork in secondary school in the early 1950s, we used a glue which we called “hoof glue”. I assume that it was derived from horse cow hooves. It came as ‘glue pearls’, which were melted in a cast-iron pot over a fire. I presume that to reverse the glue one would heat it (very carefully). No water was added to the glue during its melting. I am sure that you would have dealt with joints which were secured by this type of glue.
    Best regards,
    David.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! That's amazing that you were using hide glue in school!

  • @npoess
    @npoess Год назад

    Tom and Scott are my two go to experts when Iam searching for a solution. This format is great look forward to more collaborations.

  • @terrydawson4594
    @terrydawson4594 Год назад +1

    Loved it! Two of my favorite channels

  • @ihrescue
    @ihrescue Год назад

    Thank you all for presenting this comparison of glues and the techniques for managing glue joining. I watch both of your channels and welcome your collaborative presentations.

  • @timhoekenschnieder9109
    @timhoekenschnieder9109 Год назад

    Tom, I always enjoy learning from your videos.

  • @abutilonista
    @abutilonista 11 месяцев назад

    I liked the way Tom smiled when Scott mentioned shabby chic :)

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  11 месяцев назад

      Thanks! I'm smiling now just thinking about shabby chic. I can tell you I've been in a lot of homes, a lot of which could be in Architectural Digest And a lot of very traditional older homes and believe me, there's no "shabby chic" anywhere! I think it exists mostly in magazines and TV shows

    • @abutilonista
      @abutilonista 11 месяцев назад

      @@johnsonrestoration I sort of sensed that :)

  • @bethrundle5560
    @bethrundle5560 Год назад +2

    I LOVED this video. Two of my favourite furniture You Tubers! If you ever think of doing three people, John’s Furniture Repair Treena is also an excellent teacher. Please keep these coming. Chisels would be good too.

  • @robt2151
    @robt2151 Год назад +2

    Excellent collaboration with helpful information - I look forward to the clamps and saws episodes. Thank you both.

  • @diannesorem6389
    @diannesorem6389 Год назад

    Nice to see two views on things once in a while. Enjoyed the video. Thanks for sharing!

  • @kathydoran6176
    @kathydoran6176 Год назад

    Thank you both, I enjoy watching your videos they are somehow calming and I've learned so much.

  • @tinlizzie
    @tinlizzie Год назад +1

    Excellent - knowing why one works better than another is always valuable to know.

  • @alibobo2009
    @alibobo2009 Год назад

    Thank you for this conversation! Please do more! Your time and preparation is so appreciated. The format is palatable and really helpful in making good decisions about what to use and when. Trial and error is tough when you’re working on stuff that can’t be replaced.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! This whole process of restoration is trial and error!

  • @sandrapapke2512
    @sandrapapke2512 Год назад

    Excellent format, great information without being overwhelming.

  • @davecurda2350
    @davecurda2350 Год назад

    I watched this on Scott’s channel months ago, I really like both of your guys channels. I have really learned a lot from both of you,keep up the great video content.

  • @davidbodder8801
    @davidbodder8801 Год назад

    I watch both of y’all’s videos and have learned so much. I really enjoyed this format and look forward to future videos like this

  • @rossgraham8776
    @rossgraham8776 8 месяцев назад

    Great presentation - really brought together, in a practical way, my understanding of the three types of glue. I really enjoyed the format.

  • @nobuckle40
    @nobuckle40 Год назад

    Thank you gentleman! Looking forward the clamping video. I have faced some situations that were very difficult to glue up. I know that I'll learn a lot from you two. Thanks again.

  • @willaborge4824
    @willaborge4824 Год назад

    I very much enjoyed this collaboration. Very informative.❤

  • @annebierce5280
    @annebierce5280 Год назад +2

    Two of my favorites! I have learned so much from the two of you

  • @robertcepelak7687
    @robertcepelak7687 Год назад

    We enjoyed this video and the exchange between you and Scott. Would like to see more like this. Clamping? Great idea.

  • @JohnWarner-lu1zx
    @JohnWarner-lu1zx Год назад +1

    Tom's story is incredible he has been restoring legacy items, animated objects, pieces with evidence of life that hold memories and meaning all of his life. He said his brothers have shops, do they have RUclips?

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! Well said! My brother Greg is working on creating his own channel now

    • @JohnWarner-lu1zx
      @JohnWarner-lu1zx Год назад

      @@johnsonrestoration Mr. Johnson I bet you have heard many interesting stories about how things got broken. I.e. Granpa got drunk and grandma smashed him with the chair etc.

  • @johnsaia9739
    @johnsaia9739 Год назад

    This format is great and I hope you all continue to make them. The collaboration and shared knowledge is most excellent.

  • @patriciagordon929
    @patriciagordon929 Год назад

    Nice to hear about your early life, father and brothers. I've been watching you for a few years on home TV system but easier to comment with my phone. Very interesting to see how you do things

  • @the_atomshop
    @the_atomshop Год назад

    that was great. Good idea. Look forward to seeing you guys presenting again.

  • @jillbork2683
    @jillbork2683 Год назад

    I like this format, very educational. Thank you Tom

  • @susiereed3612
    @susiereed3612 Год назад +1

    Love this video. It was so helpful as I'm trying to repair a family heirloom vanity drawer.

  • @dagwood1327
    @dagwood1327 Год назад

    I had not seen Scott’s channel. I really like collaborations because I get to meet new content makers. I was told back in the 80’s from a cabinet supply salesman that the difference between white glue and yellow glue was they put driers in the yellow to meet production needs.

    • @dagwood1327
      @dagwood1327 Год назад

      I don’t know if it is still the only difference. A lot can change in 40 years.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! I just don't know...

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Definitely. They seem very similar to me

  • @SusanHammond-w6q
    @SusanHammond-w6q Год назад

    I enjoyed your conversation with Scott Bennett . Thank you.

  • @kirkliggett9470
    @kirkliggett9470 Год назад +2

    Thank you both for your input on adhesives. I agree with everything both of you talked about and as a furniture repair person myself I know the issues that you can get into. Everyone talks about using “enough glue”. Maybe we should consider what happens if to much glue is used. Just saying.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! Good point - you should never need a lot of glue. There must be wood-to-wood contact, you can't rely on a thick film of glue!

  • @bethjordan8758
    @bethjordan8758 Год назад

    Very smooth and professional video

  • @Rgb414
    @Rgb414 Год назад

    Thank you for the education on glue. I love hide glue, I first learned about it when I was working with an old cabinet maker restoring a theater pipe organ

  • @George_in_Howden
    @George_in_Howden Год назад

    Great bit of information from both craftsmen, I enjoyed this very much. Will give some of these a try.

  • @thomaslavery7760
    @thomaslavery7760 Год назад

    I like the interplay between the two of you!

  • @englishandthebeautyoflangu3610

    I and my ten thumbs watch these clips entirely for relaxation and pleasure. I am so clumsy that sharp tools and strong glues are best left alone. However, I really enjoy watching others build and craft, and this episode was informative and enjoyable. Thanks!

  • @henrysara7716
    @henrysara7716 Год назад +1

    Thank you both, for sharing your work.

  • @judebrown4103
    @judebrown4103 Год назад

    Well this was fun, I've not come across the other gentleman before on RUclips. What a lovely idea to listen to another furniture specialist asking questions of Master Tom. Great to actually witness your knowledge being passed on even though we, your viewers all absorb it ourselves. I hope you both find time to do some more of these, I loved the format where you insert severally your examples of a particular topic, really effective.
    Thank you both. 👍

  • @nicanorpereira5253
    @nicanorpereira5253 Год назад

    I love your work watching your videos makes me very happy I wish you good health so that you continue making wonderful videos a hug from your Brazilian fan

  • @marilynfranks8995
    @marilynfranks8995 Год назад

    I am late in checking out this video. I LOVE this format. I learned a lot!

  • @giuseppebevilacqua2034
    @giuseppebevilacqua2034 Год назад

    Great video from TWO BIG PROFESSIONAL WOOD WORKERS

  • @BoxcarJerry
    @BoxcarJerry Год назад

    This was a great video fulled with valuable information . I hope you do more of these in the future .

  • @davidmatke248
    @davidmatke248 Год назад

    That was great! I really liked the video format. Looking forward to the clamping episode!

  • @paulabarnett2663
    @paulabarnett2663 Год назад

    Thankyou for making this video! Really informative and useful and has answered several questions that I have had about glues. Very enjoyable!

  • @Rickster1100
    @Rickster1100 Год назад

    Great info vid gentlemen. Also well done for its entertainment aspect. Please do more of these!

  • @chesterfield7770
    @chesterfield7770 Год назад

    That you , it was very interesting earring on that subject from two great furniture makers/restorers .

  • @WizzardofOdds
    @WizzardofOdds Год назад

    After seeing this, I am thinking that back in the 1960s the LePages glue we used in school was more than likely a hide glue. It was in a little glass bottle with a red wedge type spreader. Great video from both of you.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! I remember! I wonder what it was

    • @WizzardofOdds
      @WizzardofOdds Год назад

      @@johnsonrestoration I remember how when dried it use to crystalize like the hide glue so it quite possibly was.

  • @olgai.menendez9493
    @olgai.menendez9493 Год назад

    Awesome can’t wait to see the one about the saws!

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      You and me both! I need to work on that! I need to learn about saws first

  • @89piuoj0
    @89piuoj0 Год назад

    I'm compelled to comment because you both seem to genuinely want that. Clamps, like bicycles, you can never have too many. I'm a new 'clamper' & would relish more info. I am also a new Japanese 'sawer'. I have managed to collect some information on both technologies, but would relish an in-depth video to learn more. The glue video didn't go out of my comfort zone, however it's useful to hear different approaches and that touches on the format of the combination of two presenters. I'm very familiar with most things Tom, but Scott brought different problems to solve and that's helpful.

  • @ronmack1767
    @ronmack1767 Год назад

    That was good Tom. Enjoyed the video with Scott on using the different types of glue. Scott did a video not too long ago on some different brands of clamps and their clamping pressure, so I'm looking forward to a video with you both on clamps. Maybe you can co-produce a video with Trina, Johns Furniture Repair who is also in Canada sometime. I enjoy her videos too. You all take care and God bless.

  • @ellisc.foleyjr9778
    @ellisc.foleyjr9778 Год назад +1

    This is the third time I've watched this, and I do't recall any other video's that you and Scott made? the one about clamps?did I miss it? I enjoy both of your videos and watch and wait for them sometimes impatiently! But always faithfully! Till the next one! God Speed!
    ECF.

  • @jeanine6492
    @jeanine6492 Год назад +1

    This was a great informative video. I love this format and would love more of these. There is so much misinformation out there, and I know i can count on both of you for the right information (and the why behind it).

  • @johnbernard6666
    @johnbernard6666 Год назад

    The most informative video I’ve in a long time.
    Thanks for the he great info.

  • @torchup
    @torchup Год назад +1

    Very informative video. If we think about it, especially in veneer work, the use of hide glue in the old classic antique furnitures or even the more recent century-built furnitures and its often needed veneer repairs is its centuries-old use of its strength and ease of water cleanup. But also there's a centuries-old unspoken and often neglected furniture flaw we humans often dismiss is that water and moisture is the very cause of delamination of most all veneers as we often place or store furniture in damp environments or basements and garages or locations where wood absorbs water and moisture that breaks down the old hide glues that de-laminates and cracks and curls the veneers. Fortunately, discarded or poorly placed furniture keeps Tom Johnson busy mixing up brews of hide glue and restoring the great veneers and sentimental family heirlooms and their charm over the decades and we can watch him gently repair them and bring them back to life with a future of appreciation for their owners and all of us viewers.😇

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! Yes, good observations. I always tell people to please not store furniture in a basement

  • @coby9896
    @coby9896 Год назад +2

    Great of you both to share your experience. Very informative! I have just been introduced to Japanese saws and would love to know how and why they work so well.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! Good question - and good idea. I don't think I know enough about them to make a video. Maybe with a little research...

  • @douglasjones6248
    @douglasjones6248 Год назад

    Very much enjoyed this collaboration and look forward to additional videos. One question I would have seen you touch on is hide glue strengths. Most would say the 192g is for veneer, but I have a feeling that this strength would apply to more situations. Maybe you guys could comment here on do we need all three strengths, hide glue has gotten pretty expensive in the last couple of years, so only keeping one or two around would take a little pressure of the budget!

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! I've never gotten into that subject. Why not just buy the strongest?

  • @lesleygreig8225
    @lesleygreig8225 7 месяцев назад

    Enjoyed this a lot, thanks for sharing your experiences.

  • @LegendSpecialist
    @LegendSpecialist Год назад +4

    Very good video👍

  • @bawrytr
    @bawrytr 8 месяцев назад

    One excellent filler for epoxy like West Systems is wood flour. It is not as strong as silica when used as an adhesive, but depending on the color/kind of the wood used for the flour can make a joint that is both strong and fairly easy to color if it's not exactly a match. Not sawdust, it's generally much finer and more uniform than that, although I have used sanding dust and even sawdust from my bandsaw on occasion. Mixing silica with wood flour will naturally lighten the tone of any kind of wood flour, and make the epoxy paste stronger. Wood flour can be purchased online from most epoxy/fiberglass shops, but also even on Amazon. A gallon of the stuff in a bag or plastic tub should cost around $10 and will last basically forever. In fact, wood flour mixed with other types of glue is industrially used to make MDF sheets and other products.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  8 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks! So interesting! I had never heard of it. I suppose we have plenty in the bag of my belt sander! I have collected that fine sawdust before, but never used it much, maybe I will now

  • @cherylporter1056
    @cherylporter1056 Год назад

    Love this format! Thanks!

  • @kathyk479
    @kathyk479 Год назад

    Hello Thomas Johnson thank you!

  • @rurone
    @rurone Год назад

    I love your knowledge and I love seeing you collaborating -- the idea of you chatting and bringing that into one place is great! This video felt a little stilted. Scripted segments make sense (and the examples in your own shops were great! much better than just staring at you two as you talk hypothetically) but I prefer them not to be posing as spontaneous conversation.

  • @MoggiesTen
    @MoggiesTen Год назад +1

    Tom will win in the clamp collection contest!

  • @barrydutchen6699
    @barrydutchen6699 Год назад

    Love the videos. After woodworking for more than 50 years, I learn something from every one. Here’s something’s I’d like to see: videos on finishing techniques ( not products) and a video on how you decide when to use low temp waxes, rub in crayons and most important - how figure out the right coloring markers and spray tints. I use Mohawk products too and find color matching a real challenge. Thanks!

  • @fludrbywest3886
    @fludrbywest3886 11 месяцев назад

    Absolutely love the way your video is made❣️❣️I really don’t mind the length, also most appreciated informaton

  • @lynnew5619
    @lynnew5619 Год назад

    Very interesting video. It’s great to see two highly experienced woodworkers comparing notes on products etc. I look forward to the next collaboration. 👍

  • @dennishinkle5010
    @dennishinkle5010 Год назад

    This is some very good information that I can now use. Thank you gentlemen.👍

  • @patientorlando1306
    @patientorlando1306 Год назад

    What a great video! I'm a fan (and subscriber) of both of your channels and this is an excellent collaboration. This will be a great series, so informative, based on years of first hand experiences, Love it! I can"t wait for the next one on clamps, saws, or how about which wood to use for what kind of repair? Thank you for taking the time to put this together 😍

  • @drdeb9561
    @drdeb9561 Год назад

    I was trying to figure out epoxy glue for a leg that broke into a few pieces arouund a dowel, so this was very timely for me! Enjoyed the sharing of knowledge and feeling if mutual respect. Like the suggestion about how to choose a finish/topcoat.

  • @ksweet696
    @ksweet696 Год назад

    Very informative. I remember as a kid in the 50s that people said Elmer's was made of horse and cow hooves. I guess they changed with the times since it's now a PVA glue.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад +1

      Thanks! Yes, well the Elmers white glue (which is very good glue by the way) was never made from animal protein. I wonder if they were also making hide glue then, which of course would have been brown. Any animal protein will make hide glue, it probably has a lot more in it than just hooves! There's a video on YT where a guy makes hide glue from a dog chew hide bone!

    • @ksweet696
      @ksweet696 Год назад

      @johnsonrestoration yes, I read it was made of casien, a milk derivative. It was the only glue I was aware of back then, and the idea of it being made of hooves likely came from hearing about horses "going to the glue factory"!

  • @proscriptus
    @proscriptus Год назад

    I'm not sure one video can contain this much knowledge.

  • @kennethmiller2333
    @kennethmiller2333 Год назад

    Nice seeing a colab between two of my favorite youtubes. Would y'all mind covering CA glue as well? I see some youtubers turning to it often, but I think the only time I see you two using it is to make double-sided painter's tape.

    • @johnsonrestoration
      @johnsonrestoration  Год назад

      Thanks! I've never used it! Wait, I did a couple of times. I'm just not familiar with it

  • @paulomeyer3900
    @paulomeyer3900 Год назад

    I really liked the video, a good idea! I look forward to new videos like this. Thank you both

  • @NormanWILLIS-u2l
    @NormanWILLIS-u2l Год назад

    Great show,, learned a lot. Looking forward to the next one. Really guys, this video is a star, comments from a 90 year old woodworker. More , More!!!

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 Год назад

    works for me...two different styles of presentation, two different experiences, makes for a wider perspective, although both of these folks are pretty darn good at the work!!
    Thomas mentioned using cloth to fill a gap... do you have a video that covers that?