Lavinia vs Sisay Superfriends vs Oloro vs Selvala | S2E2 | cEDH Gameplay | Casually Competitive
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Welcome back to Casually Competitive MTG! We are a group of friends who enjoy playing fast paced semi competitive EDH games. In today’s game we have a matchup between Lavinia Azorius Renegade; Sisay, Weatherlight Captain; Oloro, Ageless Ascetic; and Selvala, Explorer Returned. Feel free to leave any feedback in the comments section below.
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No more thessa's oracle
Loved the stream!
@@CaptBackwards why? It's a good wincon and any two card combo would fulfill the same purpose. It's a part of cEDH to be playing the most powerful cards and at the moments that is pretty much the best wincon
Competitive means maxing the power level in the colors available how ever most of the commanders I see them play are not particularly powerful I believe these guys are doing an amazing service by showing even casual commanders can display power thanks for your episodes
Interviewer: So how would you define "casually competitive"?
Casually Competitive MTG: Um... we're fine playing lots of tutors, but we also cast them into an on-board Aven Mindcensor.
4:53 "However, in response to the activation, Joseph taps his Mana Confluence taking 1 damage..."
*Am I gonna see a fetchland get Stifled?*
"...to cast an Enlightened Tutor."
*Next time Gadget, next time...*
Was hoping that as well!
I was so hoping that would have happened as well!
I love that your willing to run a number of different commanders at times rather than just the few most played, most powerful commanders.
autobotjazz1972 hence Casually Competitive
Still the exact same wincons, though.
@@scantron6111 I think the same, and also, they just recently started to vary commanders.
@@scantron6111 True but any variation is nice.
Nate: Kills Hushbringer
Me: Oh he about to do it. Who's gonna hold up interaction?
Everyone: What's interaction?
I'm not a big fan of Consultation combo, but it's part of the meta now, so it would be disingenuous to cEDH to not include it, so even if it keeps winning, I'm glad you put it in so we can see how other players work around it and such.
I don't mind the combo, but I'd like more people to run Stifle, Trickbind or Nimble Obstructionist because they just completely destroy the combo. Especially since they also disrupt a handful of other combos like pretty much any Hulk pile, Dramatic Scepter or Kiki combos.
@@Isolanporzellator Yea... the combo is 3 or 4 mana and just 2 cards. There are other 2 card combo win cons in cEDH, but this one just feels so cheap and it doesn't play into any of the deck's styles it feels like. It's just slapped into every deck with blue black.
But anyway, yea, people should definitely play around it more either way.
@@Isolanporzellator I 100 percent agree. Stifle effects just keep getting better and better especially with all the activated abilities running around now
The new loyalty counters tracker you guys put in is absolutely amazing. I couldn’t have asked for it to be done any better than that. Well done to all of you, keep up the great work, one of my favorite EDH channels on YT by far.
Edit : Just saw the time counters one, nice touch!
Glad it's helpful! We are testing out the loyalty overlay for planeswalkers and we are planning to get some larger / better contrasted dice for general counters in the near future so it's great to hear that the updates are making a difference
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG Really is innovative. Don't know of anyone else that has done it in a similar way, but it works really well visually too.
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG Yep Congratz that was really cool to see ! Keep it up guys !
If you didn know casually Competitive, The Command Zone mention you guys on their latest video.
Before I watch this; Let me guess, someone has a demonic consultation and a thassa's Oracle and they win with that combo. Now to watch the video.
Necropotence feels to me like the card of the game.
Necropotence with that eminence ability... I gotta try that sometime, that’s really busted.
Draws 14 cards in two turns…. No response lol. Doesn’t see it as a threat. Seems casual to me lol
your explanation for including consultation combos makes sense but it doesn't stop me from rooting against anyone who plays it lol
Bill lives up to his epithet when he wearing that ahegao hoodie!
I just watch for it when he's in the game now, I know it's coming everytime
I see a lot of negative Comments about Consult + Oracle, I however just want to say it was an awesome episode. I could feel the oppression from the Stax pieces through the screen and I am very impressed by Nate, who managed to find a win in that mess. Don't let negative comments discourage you guys, you're doing great work!
I thought it was going to be an awesome episode. Because I could also feel the oppression from the stax pieces. And then a player spent three mana and won the game. I am so sick and tired of seeing that fish in general, but what really upset me with this episode is it completely circumvented what makes stax matches interesting. As Joseph explained in an earlier episode, stax is interesting because players need to figure out how to work around the stax, when to remove stax pieces, and when to use them to your advantage. Resolving a game winning combo for two cards, three mana, and not needing any permanents to stick on the battlefield eliminated that entire aspect of the match. Winter orb and Aven Mindcensor combined didn't even make that combo remotely challenging despite being powerful stax effects.
Screw oracle
To me it doesn't really seem that bad. cEDH is all about playing efficiently and optimally. Consult Oracle is precisely that, and so is Fish Hulk combos. I will not tell you you're wrong about not liking it. But to me, seing these combos for a "Quick and easy" win to me is exciting because you know the other players is trying to do the same thing. If you want diverse and special win cons then I think a more casual approach should be where you look
@@casp3213 I think what bothers me is honestly just that it's everywhere. If every deck was food chain or tiki jiki I would be frustrated with those cards. Oracle consultation is just such a good win con that even in decks that are built around sub optimal commanders on a "casually competitive" channel, you still see thassa's oracle winning every game (including merfolk tribal).
@@mikehalloran93 Yea, that's the most frustrating part. Every deck that has blue and black is running the combo now. It's in literally every game now.
Ah, a Thassa's Oracle win.
Yayyyy woo-hoo demonic consultation wincon, love this outcome. Happens every single game. Woooooo.
Joseph, I also can't wait until your next episode. Can you PLEASE make sure it involves a game ending demonic consultation? Can you please throw in Thassa's Oracle to each deck as well? That's why I keep my notifications on.
Before watching, I already know I’m in for a treat.
It's cool but they always end the same
I always get excited when I see these guys upload
Thank you so much!
This was an amazing episode. I love the 9001 IQ play of delaying the Claim with Lavinia on the field. What a chad :D
...but, yet another game ends with oracle consultation. That's the main problem with competitive games: there is always a meta that must be followed or you will almost never win. I got excited because it looked like Jordan had a response, tapping the mana for a Swan Song, or exiling Ashiok for a FoW... but nope, the game ended.
Your videos (and those of Playing with Power) have radically changed my mind regarding cEDH, and now I'm intrigued and in love with the format even if I still only play casual EDH, but Oracle sickens me to the core. No one dares play anything else. Jace/Labman weren't as busted because they needed to resolve and stay on the field to win, making them much more fragile wincons (Labman more so than Jace), but Oracle is an ETB, so even if she dies, you still win.
In my opinion, it's damaging for the format. It greatly reduces variety and it's much harder to interact with. It won't be banned, especially since it's FOTM, but perhaps we need a response, something like Aven Mindcensor but for ETBs, probs like this:
Card Name, WW
Creature
Flash. When this creature is cast/enters the battlefield, counter all abilities on the stack that were triggered by a permanent entering the battlefield.
Creatures entering the battlefield cannot cause abilities to trigger.
2/2
Specific counter, yes, but it also stops future Oracles. And it's a creature so it, in itself, can be easily removed. So it's a counter but not an OP counter.
ok, rant over. I'm just sick of seeing the same wincon over and over and over. I understand the need for optimization in cEDH, and it's not the fault of the players, but it's just a flaw inherently present in the format, and all thanks to WotC. I'm hoping that Ikoria or Comm. Legends can give us a proper counter to Oracle for the sake and health of the format. ^_^
Like stifle, trick bind, torpor orb, squelch, voidmage husher, azorius guildmage, nimble obstructionist, mental misstep? Answers are all available, the combo isn’t unanswerable
@@StormKyoshi Wow, so many counters! Torpor Orb, Hushbringer, and Tocatli Honor Guard also exist and stop Oracle!
Now, I have one question. With so many counters, then why is Oracle win so prolific? Because all those answers go elsewhere.
A specific counter would be a response to Oracle the way Mindcensor is a response to tutors, fetches, etc. It isn't specifically targeted, it can disrupt other things, but it is a panic button that is unlikely to be wasted on other targets because it isn't that versatile.
Amazing presentation! Your videos makes it really easy to follow all the stuff going on and without seeming distracting or so small that you can miss it. Great commantary and great game. Keep the not top tier commanders coming I feel like they make for your best videos. I understand the sentiment that the Consult + Oracle combo can seem boring. It is a three mana instant effect to win which is normal for cEDH, but having some more casual win cons would be neat too. Not alwayse but some pods with silly win cons would be neat.
Jordan tapping the mana at the end and throwing down ashiok, such a classic to fuck with your friends thinking you're actually countering lmao
I honestly thought I was saved for a second when he did that
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG i saw him tap the mana instantly and was ready for the game to keep going but i got heavy baited
How exciting, a Consultation/Thassa's Oracle win. So skill. Very wow. Much entertain.
We understand that people may find the line uninteresting and, like it was mentioned early in the video, we will do what we can to make sure consultation based decks are less prominent; however, as a playgroup we don't find consultation wins overbearing and we don't find that games that end in consult are less interesting. For us, the entertainment from the game is from the journey of building the win. The turns learning up to and planning are the parts that are exciting. If this game ended in a Iso/Rev + Payout combo I personally wouldn't have found it any more or less entertaining. The combo or the actual way that the win was secured isn't as relevant as the process that the necessary cards were obtained and resolved.
Like mentioned in the video, we understand and appreciate the feedback on Consultation lines specifically, and we will do what we can to plan out pods accordingly moving forward (Season 2 has already been fully recorded, so these changes will take place in season 3), but I did want to share out point of view on how we see Consultation.
I really wanted to see a Dragon God/Cunning Castaway combo, but of course the three mana combo wins. Though the tapping of the Hallowed Fountain to dropping an Ashiok, Dream Render, I was not expecting in response
This is quickly becoming my favorite go to channel for fun fast EDH content! Keep up the amazing work!
The Thassa's Oracle combos are really overdone. Can we get a break from them so we can see more interesting combos and decks? Like at least a months break or something.
I was hoping to see the Bond/Blood combo go off but when I saw him discard it I was immediately disappointed and figured that we'd just see the Demonic Consultation combo come from him.
I get your point but it is by far the best and most efficient way to win in cedh. Outside of a set of really good draws from hate bears/stax even then they probably run the combos sometimes
I’m currently working on GadTeeg for my first cEDH deck, and I really appreciate these two stax decks in this one. Good game boys 👍
2:37 :o I didn't know that Lavinia have a second art, this is sooooooo much better than the other one
I'll start by saying I love the channel and the quality vids you put out.
What drew me to your channel initially was the "casually" competitive bit. I think brewing with different commanders is great and people enjoy seeing different commanders lead a deck strategy mainly because we play some of those commanders and want to see what others do with them.
That said. Thassa's oracle/consultation is hardly a casually competitive strategy. Just because it's in a deck led by non Thrasios and has to do a little more work to get the pieces for the win doesn't change the deck strategy and in that sense makes it the same deck really. All the notable pieces are still there to facilitate and protect the combo so the only different is the item in the command zone.
Any deck that plays oracle uses it as the wincon and if that's the case the deck is built to get to it. It's fine if you guys enjoy playing lab man style wins (even Oracle specifically) but as a viewer I get tired of seeing consultation wins in every single cedh channel there is (and there's not even that many). I smirk the moment I see consultation as a wincon in a deck in a gameplay video because I already know the outcome. Cast oracle trigger on the stack cast consultation win.
How about a few videos with zero consultation and make decks that are "casually" competitive using less popular but still potent and viable wincons?
You guys are crafty enough to work that out.
The Oracle/Consultation combo feels almost exactly like watching a flashHulk shell go off; Yes, it's a very competitive and viable way of taking a game, but the viewing experience it creates is extremely deterministic and quite frankly boring. What roped me into watching this channel was seeing some of the extremely clever lines that were being played out in some of your earlier games, and the effort to curtail the overall power level so that matches weren't just 50% Tymna/Thrasios lists.
While I'd personally like to see the rules committee step up and just ban Thassa's Oracle and Flash, I think that coming to the agreement that those specific strategies should be benched for the time being would probably contribute positively to your channel in the long term.
I respect your stance on utilizing the Thassa combo but I just feel like the game would have been a lot more interesting if it had got the chance to play out instead of the two card combo stealing the game out of no where.
I love that no one is freaking out about Nate winning his first game on the channel
Nice! I didn't realize how much Oko affected Selvala, great recap and tight gameplay all around!
Great game! The win con didn't bother me at all. In fact. I'd rather see ppl playing it, to help others know how and when to try to interact. But this is the internet, so you'll never get away from negative comments from keyboard warriors. Keep up the great content guys, I'll be looking into your patreon.
Oh great... another consultation/Fish win. SO exciting... If every gd deck is going to win with Consult/Fish i feel that some decks need to start packing trickbind so at least we can see a few fish players hoisted by their own petards.
Top notch editing! It looked great, easy to read and keep track of the board-state!
So homeboy kills hushbringer for no reason when he could have destroyed winter orb and no one thinks for a second that maybe he is going to go off with Demonic oracle?
Love that you guys do underrated/underused commanders! Everyone knows the top decks already and how they work so it’s great to see this type of content
Really cool game overall. This highlights why I like to play these type of matches so much. The amount of interaction and everybody going dirty on everybody make the game so enjoyable! I bet it was a blast for all people involved
"We try to avoid Demonic Consultation-"
Nah that's fine, no worries.
"Tries to fetch up Oko-"
Looks like someone wants to visit the hospital.
I want to thank you guys for being so receptive to feedback, and I hope you keep up the great content! (Ps. I don't mind the demonic consultation combo. If it's in edh you should have access to it 👍)
I like the new overlay that lets us track counters without straining our eyes to see your dice.
14:45 You can't stop the clone from coming in as a copy of the extortionist by removing the creature it's copying on cast. Cloning doesn't target.
706.5 An object that enters the battlefield “as a copy” or “that’s a copy” of another object becomes a copy as it enters the battlefield. It doesn’t enter the battlefield, and then become a copy of that permanent. If the text that’s being copied includes any abilities that replace the enters-the-battlefield event (such as “enters the battlefield with” or “as [this] enters the battlefield” abilities), those abilities will take effect. Also, any enters-the-battlefield triggered abilities of the copy will have a chance to trigger.
I appreciate you addressing the Oracle/consultation combo. I think its more a problem with the format right now, not your guys' fault. Sadly, i think oracle has made cedh immensely more boring. I think Oracle should be banned in EDH, just for variety's sake
Ohoho, I see Bill is a man of culture
Nicee! Thx for all the content
Thanks for watching!
I've found Oko to be a HOUSE in cedh. GREAT VIDEO!!
Awesome video with super unique commanders. I haven’t seen most of them before. When you said it’s about the journey not the destination at the end I instantly thought of the Stormlight archive by Brandon Sanderson! Not sure if that was a reference or just a use of the idiom but regardless I definitely agree!
Daniel Feeny book four is coming out this year!
Can we see someone put together a Scarab God deck?? I run a zombie mill variant and am dying to see some more coverage for Scarab God!
I can readily accept this Thassa's Oracle win because it didn't seem like it was the main thing he built around. And the overall playing of the deck was intelligent too. It didn't take the taste out of my mouth and this game was fantastic.
I'm curious to see if you all can make a competitive General Tazri, Danitha Capashen, or Sidri deck. Those ones are some of my favorite decks I have but obviously I don't focus to much on competitive play. Though I will put some money into decks I really love.
That was a dope game! I’ve always loved Oloro as a midrange Ad Nauseam/Necropotence commander. That life gain doesn’t seem relevant until you think about it at the end of the game. Gaining 10+ life can be tremendous!
Does Jordan have a guide on some of the combos that Sisay utilizes? The tappedout link doesn’t have any. My friend is looking to upgrade his Sisay deck into a cEDH sphere. Some insight would be super helpful!
Constructive feedback: sometimes triggers, abilities, highlighted cards are hard to follow. What do you think about changing the color of the corner on the highlighted card to signify the owner of said trigger or card?
Example: mana crypt triggers during Bill's upkeep. If you changed the color of the border from yellow to red (or anything else), I think it would be much easier to follow. Sometimes multiple people have mana crypt out simultaneously, or similar spells. Which is which?
Anyhow, thx and great content. I watch all of your videos and just realized I wasn't subbed. Lol, slam.
I am a bit late to the party with this one and forgive me if it has been mentioned. Killing a creature in response to a copy creature, like clone, on the stack doesn't prevent the clone from coming in as that creature. The clone could have still been that artifact goblin even after it was killed. An odd ruling I found out in the sun titan/phantasmal image days
I really enjoy your videos and decks. I would love to see two games played each video. It would give a better chance to see each deck perform.
I was wondering if you could explain the Jace, Nicol bolas combo? I looked online and nothing really seemed to help explain it
I never knew/thought about that Scepter + Vitalize + Karn combo. That’s hilarious
Great video! Would love to see your take on a competitive Thraximundar deck in the future!
I have a great Samut, Voice of Dissent list that I think would be perfect for this season. Fast, and staxxy. Can combo for win with a few Kiki or Selvala lines, or just voltron out stax pieces to slow everyone down.
Damn bro you really care about feedback that makes me happy to see
Gratz for the shoutout on command zone👍
Guys great job again. I'm not sure people are against consultation decks, the only game I disliked it was on the special episode - Tribal, where I was expecting to see something different, and the win-con ended to be it.
BOOM Called it, but at least this time the Consultation player had a relevant commander
Error at 13:30. It casts, is countered, but also would have triggered the remora. Probably not too important 🙂
"Nate really played a great game" sits there just paying life into necropotence.
Finally, oloro is my 2nd favorite commander!
Ruric Thar is my favourite deck to watch!
Great closing thoughts and great game! Your stax vs combo games are always the best
Where’s the popularity poll?
i actually play a semi competitive lavinia deck and its really fun for me to play, and not for anyone else. heheh
is there any chance to see another game with Selvala? i'm a Selvala player and i would appreciate to see my commander been played. more.
thanks, great game!
Is it just a coincidence or is a CEDH thing to attack mostly to the opponent across from yourself? I've notice that behavior in several episodes.
how does the sisay deck win tho, I'm not super experienced with the format and i dont get the combo, thank you!
tfw you swords your own commander.... Oh Oko.
Lavinia is one of my favorite commanders. Knowledge Pool and Omen Machine are just funny on their own without her, but then the laughing stops when your opponents realize Lavinia is coming down too...
Also can I say Nate's playmat is looking very spicy. Where did you pick it up? I want the spaghetti monsters too.
The Man, the myth, the legend - Bill
Love the channel and the videos. It really didn't affect the game but I believe Nate should have had a Mystic Remora trigger when Bill's Nature's Claim came off suspend. Lavinia's can't cast ability relates to the CMC of the spell being greater than the number of lands. Her second ability, the one regarding no mana being spent, is a triggered ability that happens after the spell is cast. Since Bill has more than 1 land Lavinia's first ability doesn't apply. So I believe what should have happened is the Nature's Claim unsuspends, Bill has to cast it targeting something, then both Mystic Remora and Lavinia trigger in turn order. Lavinia's ability resolves countering the Claim, followed by Nate's Remora trigger which asks Bill if he wishes to pay 4.
I have a pretty strong selvala explorer returned deck already, but it didnt get much action this game which is a big sad. Ah well still a good episode
How was bill able to cast his commander with only two lands when Lavinia was out?
I get really exited when i see oloro in the command zone, then that damn winter orb comes into play and i thought "i wont be able to see what oloro can do" but he just shut my mouth
same, feels bad
Bill shouldn't have been able to cast Selvala during the third turn cycle since Lavinia was on the battlefield due to the fact that he only had 2 lands and Selvala costs 3 mana to cast.
"Noncreature Spells."
@@coreysierchio4650 ah I missed that
@@CrazedSeer "No worries. I thought you were right too, so I checked to see if maybe the gang missed it. It's not a card I normally play with, but I remember the talk about it having a place in Modern Humans as a Stax piece Hate Bear." #LearnSomethingNewEveryday
If the people don't want to watch consultation decks, perhaps you guys can do an episode with red, blue, green and white only decks, mono colored, idk
We've already recorded all of season 2 but the general plan will just to be a bit more sparse with archetypes people don't like seeing too often. Rather than not put a consultation win-line in a deck where it belongs, we will plan to schedule these consultation decks to show up less frequently
@@CasuallyCompetitiveMTG That works too! I dont mind seeing consultation decks often, I really like watching any kind of deck.
Thassa's wins again. Who would've guessed.
Every game ends the same way man. Gotta say it's TOUGH to watch your content knowing the decks don't matter and the gameplay doesn't matter until thassa's Oracle is played with 1 black Mana up
Just finding your channel. I like watching commander games but are they all voiced over? That takes away from the fun interactions and personalities people have imo. Is sound not an option while playing?
Shouldn't the lavinia have prevented the play of selvala, since he only has two lands and its a cmc of 3?
6:12 Selvala could not enter because LAvinia
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks oracle consultation is ruining all my cedh content.
Wanted to see Monoblack (Sidisi,Vilis, K'rrik, Yawgmoth or something), MonoG Selvala, Jace Vryn's Prodigy High Tide, And Rashmi and 4C Rashmi.
Yay..... another Thassa Oracle win.....
Ive been confused about some of the timing of plays in these videos. Like, on turn 1. Joseph played enlightened tutor at the end of Bill's turn. Why not wait until the end of Jordan's?
There is a vitalize effect in white for the same cost that cantrips
I have to agree, right in the title is casually competitive, would be too much casual not enough competitive if a consultation oracle line wasn't a win con.
I like the fact that you gave a nod to the Consultation combo at the beginning of the video, yet we still end up seeing it again.
Im honestly not liking the Videos lately becuase of this
Where can i buy the eldrazi playmat? :)
does an elk that was a commander still do commander dmg?
jace cunning castaway ? aminatou's combo is better for sisay (can put cards from hand in deck which is great for sisay and is tricolored and derevi + bloomtender/faeburrow elder and minatou can combo off (-1 aminatou find nicol bolas -1 him on derevi find oath of teferi and infinite aminatou -1 = infinite mana and win from a oath of kaya or a ashiok) and so if derevi is good in the deck you could play najeela cause 1she's red and she can infinite with derevi and if we got a bloom tender//faeburrow only 1 creature need to connect (linvala for example)
godo helm is also good hammer of nazhaan isn't too bad of a protection with a sisay activation and can turn you mind about which combo you try to go for in fact the only card i talked about and i don't feel it's great is najeela but you're not forced to play her it's just a not too bad secondary wincon but this jace isn't great of a card + can't realy combo instant when he and bolas comes or i don't figured out how this combo is supposed to work (i assume it's about his ultimate creating more nicol bolas but it's a bit mhe) btw sisay is a legit deck in cedh i feel sad to see that here it's the deck that's behind
i may have writted it with fire in my eyes but sisay is my baby and this wincon and this game didn't please me so i may have been a bit aggresiv on my message sry
When you guys were on the podcast you mentioned that something like flash hulk doesnt need to be banned because you can just not play it. I think there is a problem here. I do enjoy the game play but find myself disappointed that it keeps being thassas consultation that wins games. It's just so easy and hard to react to and it shows in every win you guys have.
Can yall do a game or two of unsanctioned and Un- based decks and games? I love love love the new Surgeon Commander
I know I said it last time but I'll say it again I sat through 20 mins of good game play just to see Oracle win there are other win cons besides Oracle....
Where can I get nates playmat!?
Nice sweater bill
Everyone: HUUUR DUUUUUR THASSAS ORACLE IS SOOO BROKEN!
Me: Goddamn that Necropotence drew 40 cards this game, that card is pretty broken
Almost every time I see the Oracle+Consultation win, the player who did it already drew at least 15 extra cards, or played multiple tutors. The combo is just an arbitrary end after the value train arrives.