It flopped because Disney didn't want to make 2D films anymore so they deliberately released it the same day as Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets.
Saddest thing is that this movie is actually the movie the 2 main artists really wanted to make, but had to negotiate by promising to do other movies first to be allowed to do this one. And you can really tell they put their heart & soul into this one. The movie may have "flopped" in the cinemas but i have no doubt they made millions/billions on merch alone. Especially the games as it released at the exact technological monent (im sure Harry Potter also gained MASSIVELY from this). Like im pretty sure this movie was my first ever DVD movie purchase. Then there was the next-gen shift in consoles as well. Like this movie had both a playstation 1 & playstation 2 game & launched on even the smallest handheld etc. And games back then was kinda cheap small team efford so massive profits. Then there is all the physical merch too.
Yeah, Atlantis, Brother Bear and this were some of my favorite Disney movies for quite awhile and I'm happy to see all these new people discovering them and liking them so much!
@@theirishviking9278 I have a theory that the reason Disney gave 2d animation a 2d chance with Princesses and the Frog, is because Meet the Robinsons and Bolt weren't successful enough.
The reason Treasure Planet flopped could make a documentary. In fact, I think there were a few RUclipsrs who did just that. There are so many parts that probably all contributed to it. The main theory is that Disney intentionally sabotaged the film. the evidence is convincing... Especially if you believe that Disney is not above shady stuff like that. it also took a very, very long time to get to theaters. it was meant to be a 90's movie. but by the time it was all said and done, it had gove over schedule and over budget. It just wasn't as fresh and new of an idea as it had been...people were getting tired of the Dinsey formula, and that's why Pixar and Dreamworks movies exploded. Also, it was up against Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. I personally remember going to the theater to watch Harry Potter, I never even noticed Treasure Planet. IT was also up against The Muppets Christmas movie and Die Another Day.
Not to mention that is was so over budget and the new technology that was used throughout the movie made it so only a miracle would allow it to break even much less make money.
"Look at you! Glowing like a solar fire. You're something special, Jim. You're gonna rattle the stars, you are!" Fun Fact: Dame Emma Thompson was pregnant during several recording sessions, which is how Captain Amelia turned out at the end of this movie. Disney Cinematic Universe Fact: When Jim's (Austin Majors) mother (Laurie Metcalf) sits with him on his bed to read his book, on his bookshelf, there is a Stitch doll in an astronaut suit. What Script Fact: The contest between Jim (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and Silver (Brain Murphy), each coaxing Morph (Dane A. Davis) to come to them so they could obtain the map, was ad-libbed. Cameos Cameos Fact: When Jim (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and Dr. Doppler (David Hyde Pierce) arrives at the space-port, they get directions from two characters using a ladder. These are caricatures of directors John Musker (at the top of the ladder) and Ron Clements (holding the bottom of the ladder). Animation Technical Breakthrough Fact: The humanoid characters are all hand-drawn. John Silver's (Brain Murphy) cyborg leg, arm, eye, and the robot B.E.N. (Martin Short) are flat-rendered CGI. The ship was created using Disney's "Deep Canvas" process, something that is beyond the scope of this comment to explain. In some scenes, all three types of animation appear simultaneously.
Glad you liked this one! It really is one of the most underrated Disney animated films created at a time when the studio was distancing itself from its' musical roots and tried to do something different. This and "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" and even to some extent "Meet the Robinsons" are Disney at its' most experimental, and I love 'em!
21:27 supposedly the original release she had some blood on her hand after holding that area, implying a wound, but Disney removed it in the following releases to DVD
this was my favorite movie as a child, and after getting older i realised that there will never be a piece of media that reaches my heart as much as treasure planet does. and i read a lot, play a lot of video games, generally have much input when it comes to fictional stories. its truly a treasure. i love every single scene in this movie.
All please listen to this movie’s soundtrack on it’s own, I can’t believe it hasn’t been performed multiple times at a big film music concert with a full orchestra, it’s my absolute favorite Disney score, James Newton Howard outdid himself with this one, incredible work for my one of favorite Disney movies, along with Cars 1, Hercules, Robin and Robin Hood.
I love how they handled the story telling. Whoever read the original already knows that Silver and the crew will turn on the rest for the treasure, so they out this "plot twist" early on. Instead they bring the story of Jim and Silver's relationship, which wasn't as prominent in Treasure Island (iirc, it's been a while). They keep with the cardinal rule of movie adaption - if you're going to re-tell an old story, make sure you have something new to say. Also, as a child of the 90s', I missed out on this movie in theaters, but had a DVD copy which I watched so much it started skipping permanently, and cartoon Jim Hawkins was one of my earliest crushes 😁
Glen Keane was the key animator of our Cyborg. He is my favorite animator he gave us Ariel, the beast, Aladdin, Pocahontas, and Tarzan. Just to name a few. And for the record I saw this in IMAX a few times.
Unbelievable how this flopped. There are a few video essays out there going into detail about _why_ Treasure Planet failed the way it did. Really interesting stuff, honestly.
This is one of the few animated Disney movies I still watch as an adult occasionally. I think I somewhere saw script notes about a sequel with Jim being in the academy and having to prove himself and I would have loved to see it ... and I would have loved a TV show in this Jules-Verne-like universe even more.
I love that you noticed the arm animations during their first meeting in the gally. There was a special feature on the DVD that showed the animation process for that scene when he was cooking. From rough sketch to digital and final, The clip is hard to find but i found it if anyone's interested. It's on youtube, Disney's Animation Magic: Hosted by Roy Disney | Treasure Planet (2002) Bonus Feature
TP, Pagemaster and The secret Of Nihm were movies I watched on repeat as a kid. The VHS tapes are physically impossible to use now because of how worn out they got. What's weird to me is how all of those movies more or less flopped. I can't help but think that it was a marketing slip up, because the movies themselves are way better than the vast majority of the kids movies that came out then and since. And they taught valuable lessons to kids. And didn't "talk down" to kids either. As a boy whith both a lack of a father figure, a nerdy disposition and a metric tonne of mental health issues; Treasure Planet and Pagemaster both hit home for me. Along with The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Beauty and the Beast. I saw myself in both Quasimodo and Beast, so no surprise there. My parents divorced when I was a toddler and my biological father wasn't part of my childhood. They both blame eachother for that so I've no way to factually tell who's in the right. I was too young to remember, after all. Which left me frustrated and angry with both of them which turned into bitterness and resentment and kind of wrecked my relationship with both. Meaningful movies, books and stories were incredibly important to me. They gave me guidance and taught me lessons I otherwise simply was not getting. There is no understating the importance of the stories we tell our kids.
Treasure Planet and Atlantis were underpromoted and put on bad release dates where they had major competition. They were trying to get out of 2D and hybrid animation. Disney poisoned them.
@@dudeman47731the fact they could do that shows they could merchandise it with little to no threat of fiscal loss, I mean they do the princess dolls and those could easily be infringed on by Barbie, and Disney lies like that all the time to cover up their actual issues at the time. Disney had concluded that the art style used in Tarzan (the vine sliding scene) and then in this movie's production were too expensive and they had some internal company politics so making this movie a failure also served to make certain figures look bad while allowing others to shine. Basically Disney was starting to get too bloated as a company back then and was looking for cost saving measure back then. That's why they refuse to do anything not CGI anymore.
This film, Atlantis, and Titan AE, were all flops, for absolutely no reason other that the world was going towards modern CGI and leaving digital hand drawn styles behind. Which is really sad. Just an unlucky pocket of time the 200-2004 period was.
All 3 of these movies were childhood favorites of mine that I still adore to this day. It’s so sad that they didn’t get the recognition they deserved back then.
@@mckenzie.latham91Even if they marketed them properly, they wouldn't have made their money back with how much money it took to make it. All they did was just put it out of its misery.
@@Lobsterwithinternet That is cope at best, a lie at worst the cost for treasure planet was $140 million bucks, they made $110 million back at box office, not great but had they marketed it more instead of intentionally sabotaging it, they could have made it back and more This movie was made in 2009 in 2012, just 3 years later, Disney would make Wreck it ralph, which cost them $165 million dollars almost 25 million more than Treasure Planet cost them the difference is they marketed the hell out of Wreck it ralph which is why it netted nearly 500 million at box office. the cost of the production means nothing compared to the marketing and support you put behind it.
This is honestly one of my favorite movies, i watched at summer camp this year and fell in love, I love the idea of space pirates and the idea of so many other life forms out in space. Jim and Amelia are defenitly some of my favorite disney characters
Disney was contractually obligated to let the creators make this film it's part of a basically five film deal. So the executives basically deliberately sabotaged it, there's a whole story behind it if you look into it
This flop because it came out at a bad time. When it came out live action and 3D movies were popular and so this one passed with low sales on teathers. That's the only why it flopped, the rest are deserving of a hidden gem, a good story, awesome steampunk ambient, a great message, great music, lovable characters and a unique animation, with CGI on top of hand drawn animation. Silver is the combination of both, his organic parts are hand drawn and his cybernetic parts are pure CGI. As a fun fact, they tried Silver's arm on top of a saved animation of Captain Hook from Peter Pan. So deep within Disney's archives there's a cyborg Captain Hook.
That is probably one of the greatest movie Walt Disney studios ever made. The adventure, the visuals, the characters’ development, great music score and the respective songs fit without being a musical. It has twists well executed the audience knows the villain and not the protagonist unlike today’s movies you don’t feel ridiculed but still betrayed , not centered around but the bonds between Jim and silver is half the movie. This is Musker and Clements passion and IT SHOWS. Too bad Disney sacrificed this high potential franchise for the cheaper and faster 3d animation. This is my favorite and go to Disney film and helped through tough times.
I could do my own video on why this movie flopped at the box office, but i was one of the lucky "kids" who saw this at around the same age Jim Hawkins was in the film after my parents got divorced. I too was agansty at that time and related to the relationship between Long John Silver and Jim. However i also loved the muted ylow burn relationship between the Doctor and the Captain as well and even started writing fanfiction to fill in the gaps. I'm still working on fanfiction on the film over 20 years later. Now that Im older and about the age of the adults in this film, I've begun to lean more on their perspective in the tale rather than Jim's, but i still love that he gave him that guidance that lead him to Captain Amelia's recommendation to the academy. If i could write something and publish it in the world the writers created, i would...
Well, not just kids should have gone and seen it when it came out, Disney movies are, imho, aimed at adults just as much as at kids, if not more so. There are often jokes and references in animated movies that go right over the heads of most kids, for example the Jaws reference in this movie. References to older movies or pop culture that clearly are meant for nostalgic adults. And that "subtle" hint that captain Amelia is a domme, who also likes to be dominated. I love animated movies with so much money, time, and talent put into them, that it's obvious that they are more than mere "kids movies" and I have heard more than one reactor say that they get them a lot more when rewatching them as adults. Most of the people doing reactions to movies by for example Disney, Pixar, and DreamWorks are in fact adults, I almost never see any kids or parents with kids do reactions to these movies when searching for reactions, and the adults reacting to them always seem to love them, regardless if they watched the movie as kids, or if it's the first time. I love animated movies, and I haven't been a kid for a loooong time 😆If some people think I'm being childish for loving animated movies, that's a them problem. Sure, I get that Disney is targeting kids, so that they can annoy their parents into buying toys and merch, but honestly, while the toys and merch from the movies are for kids, and they like the movies on a superficial level, you probably have to be an adult to get the whole picture they are trying to paint.
One of my favorite animated movies. Especially for the time. Great animation, good music, stupendous writing that's not afraid to use some appropriately big words.
One of only a handful of recent (in the last two decades) films from the Disney vault that I care to rewatch over and over again. It has the charm of a Don Bluth film from the 1980s.
13:46 Actually, Jim's father didn't just abandon his family for no reason, and he's probably dead since he didn't come back. To explain myself, in the sources about this movie, I found out a long time ago that Jim's father was in some space army, and when we see him leaving in Jim's memory here, Jim's father got a call to come back, and Jim's mother probably cried because her husband recently came back, and he has to go again because he was urgently called away, leaving his family and probably perishing somewhere. This is from my recollection from a reliable sources, who confirmed this (not sure how well I remember the details, but I know it was a military call or space navy, or something), and of course I wish the movie had shown more, or at least explained the scenes a little better of the past.
It may have flopped then, but nowadays it's in my top five Disney Animated movies next to Atlantis The Lost Empire and Hercules. Certified hood classics!!
If you want to shame someone for this movie failing at the box office, then you need to shame the Disney executives. They literally sabotaged it by giving it little to no promotion and releasing it in theaters alongside huge movies from other studios
I was 10 when Treasure Planet came out and I did see it in theatres. 👍 I was a super big sci-fi nerd growing up and I absolutely adored this movie. It has been my favorite Disney movie since it came out (Atlantis coming in a close second) & is still my fav to this day.
Treasure Planet did a lot of more unique things. The father was neglectful and straight up just abandoned his family instead of dying, Jim and Silver's relationship is the driving force of the movie, and Silver stands out among most Disney baddies as an anti-villain and despite being initially set up at the main villain is actually not the main threat as that goes to Scroop. People sometimes wonder which side of Silver is real and which is him pretending, and I say both but his ruthless side is more played up. It's easier for a good guy to act bad than a bad guy to act good.
As a Late 80's early 90's baby. I LOVED this movie and watched it many many times. i dont know how the heck it flopped except for the unfortunate timing of its release alongside a number of blockbusters it just couldnt compete with. The movie was a marvel in its time but yea it couldnt keep up
29:29 Then why would he tell people about it? He said 'if you want it, go find it' - not that he bothered to mention where it even was. No one actually knows what it is - or those who do know won't tell, or those who know those who might know won't ask because that would spoil everything. Or those who know were never asked because no one knows that they know.
the reason why it was a flop is supposedly right before the movie was done the studio and the family that controls the rights to the original story (treasure Island) came to an argument and as the story goes they then focused there advertising on other movies that were coming out at the time and only showed it in the minimum amount of theaters to make the terms of the contract.
It definitely should not have been a flop. But, a few factors as to why it could have been: there were a couple big movies in the theater at the time including Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Also, the marketing was poor it was as if the powers that be didn't want it to be successful. Perhaps the themes presented were a bit before its time, as well. Regardless, it has stood the test of time and I'm sure it has made some residuals since then.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Yeah, there were people trashing the movie as one of the worst pre-woke disney films to come out. I honestly don't know why people hated it.
@@Lobsterwithinternet The Nostalgia Critic said that the idea of combining Treasure Island and Sci-fi was too distracting and make it difficult for people to be immersed.
@@orangeslash1667 Really? Never heard anything like that. It was mostly people not going to see it because there were a bunch of _Treasure Island_ adaptations that came out before it as well as premiering on the same day as _Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets_ kind of sealed it’s fate.
If you want more of the same (well, similar, more than the same), I suggest Titan AE. Slightly more gritty, but also good, with a great soundtrack. Thanks for posting!
Yeah, this is a great movie. Certainly cutting edge with the meshing of computer and more traditional styles of animation (if I'm remembering correctly.) As ither mentioned it was released around the time of Chamber of Secrets, which pulled a lot of attention from it. I'm trying to remember, because I also did not go see it in the theater. If I am remembering correctly, the advertising for it just didn't grab my interest. As a retelling / modified version of treasure island, it just fell into the, "I can catch it sometime later" category for me. Which it didn't deserve.
How this flopped was a sad story of them wanting it to do so for the express purpose of being able to say it would fail, and the release timing was done so as to support stating it did not make enough money to justify using 2d animation any longer
One of a few passion projects to so extensively blend 3D cgi with 2D handdrawn and it was impressive, shame it was buried just because the publishers didn't believe in it. Huh hadn't thought about it, but yeah it might be the only disney movies where the primary characters get to use firearms firsthand, miss the times when they got to take chances and didn't have to comply with arbitrary sensitivity sociopolitical correctness nonsense.
This film is definitely worth more than it’s box office $! Unfortunately it had a few big things against it. Including but not limited to, basically sabotage by the Disney Executives( the boss at the time never wanted to do Treasure Is. and butted heads with the creative team that did. As. Result, there was very little advertisement and whether planed or not, the release weekend went up against some uber popular films, I think too the time of year was bad for adventure films. The animation, while brilliant, was super expensive to do to blend all the affects and techniques, and since it didn’t preform well, see previous, the executives took it as a sign to not invest in the blending technology and they chased after CG. But the fans know it’s worth, and its popularity continues to grow!
Lucky you, because I could not survive this captain. And I love this movie but when that fricking robot shows up... It gets a little harder to enjoy it.
Why was it a flop? Internal politics at Disney. Same reason Atlantis The Lost Empire was. The executives were all gung ho to switch to 3D animation as the standard for everything and these two movies were some of the last hand drawn ones they made. The people pushing 3D didn't *want* these movies to succeed because that might hamper the switch. So they basically didn't advertise properly....or so I heard.
Because disney set it up to bob Iger hates animators these animators pushed for thisFilm for a decade and got it begrudgingly. I remember the awful commercials that sold this as a fart filled comedy. And showed nothing of marrit. They set it up to fail at the box office! Im hapoy to see disney up in smoke and im sure Walt himself is glad its going under as this is certainly not his vision. Were his legacy was bought out from his family, and the animators were made to march the plank, and studios puppeteered on strings at death.
The movie flopped because 2D animation takes more resources (aka money) to make than computer generated animation, so Disney decided to basically tank it's own animation department so they could have an excuse to go full 3D animation instead
this is one of a handful of early 00s animated films that were great but unfortunately was so much extra work and budget for not a big payout especially when you look right over at Pixar which was making bank and seemed flashier and cooler.
This movie flopped due to self sabotage from Disney. The software that made the 3D portions of the movie were extremely expensive to use. On top of that, this movie was only allowed to be made because the producers wanted this movie made as payment for doing a different film. One of the Directors didn't like this producer, and so screwed up the promoting of the film. All the characters were spoiled in the cutscenes. Thus people didn't go out to watch it since the entire premise of the movie was given away. With the extra cost of the software, and the Sabotage, the movie made the record loss for Disney. Thus becoming 'Disney's Biggest Flop'.
It flopped due to poor marketing as disney wanted to still do 2d movies and wanted to stick to that style so alot of the early 2000's disney movies disney tried to purposefully shaft each movie so people would only want the 2d style but as time went on disney saw how successful the style was and eventually switched to it and now use it way to much
I think it’s good but not great. I also feel like the pirate theme was good but it lost my interest with all the aliens, it’s too many genres packed into one for my taste. Some of the jokes fell flat for me too. Idk I just feel like there’s a lot of flaws with this movie, especially during a time when better and more popular movies were available to be watched
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It flopped because Disney didn't want to make 2D films anymore so they deliberately released it the same day as Harry Potter and the chamber of secrets.
they also purposely botched the marketing
not to mention they used all marketing for Lilo and Stitch just so this would do worse
Not to mention they basically spoiled the entire movie in the trailer, essentially removing the need to actually go WATCH the movie
And ironically, despite all their best efforts to make it bomb at the box office, it was still a hit with critics and nominated for an Academy Award.
Saddest thing is that this movie is actually the movie the 2 main artists really wanted to make, but had to negotiate by promising to do other movies first to be allowed to do this one. And you can really tell they put their heart & soul into this one. The movie may have "flopped" in the cinemas but i have no doubt they made millions/billions on merch alone. Especially the games as it released at the exact technological monent (im sure Harry Potter also gained MASSIVELY from this). Like im pretty sure this movie was my first ever DVD movie purchase. Then there was the next-gen shift in consoles as well. Like this movie had both a playstation 1 & playstation 2 game & launched on even the smallest handheld etc. And games back then was kinda cheap small team efford so massive profits. Then there is all the physical merch too.
I don't care what anybody says, this and the Atlantis movies were childhood favorites of mine!
Both are absolutely brilliant and deserve to be adored like the other classic Disney movies.
@@tomboyraider1015 one of my childhood favs too! one of the best
Yeah, Atlantis, Brother Bear and this were some of my favorite Disney movies for quite awhile and I'm happy to see all these new people discovering them and liking them so much!
poor advertisement
Sad childhood
It’s not a flop, it’s a classic masterpiece. 🎉🎉🎉
It was a flop, only for it to evolve into the classic it is now.
A masterpiece ahead of it’s time
It's a commercial flop
Cult classic though... like all the 2d3d animated films fron this time
It flopped financially. That's what everyone means when a movie flops.
@@theirishviking9278 I have a theory that the reason Disney gave 2d animation a 2d chance with Princesses and the Frog, is because Meet the Robinsons and Bolt weren't successful enough.
“I’m only six episodes into One Piece.”
Dude, you’ve barely taken your first step down that rabbit hole.
He'll have retired from RUclips by the time he catches up.
I skipped straight to wano🤷🏽
@@jg708257 Are you insane?
He hasn't even reached the rabbit hole.
@@jg708257 why tf would you do that
The reason Treasure Planet flopped could make a documentary. In fact, I think there were a few RUclipsrs who did just that. There are so many parts that probably all contributed to it.
The main theory is that Disney intentionally sabotaged the film. the evidence is convincing... Especially if you believe that Disney is not above shady stuff like that.
it also took a very, very long time to get to theaters. it was meant to be a 90's movie. but by the time it was all said and done, it had gove over schedule and over budget. It just wasn't as fresh and new of an idea as it had been...people were getting tired of the Dinsey formula, and that's why Pixar and Dreamworks movies exploded.
Also, it was up against Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. I personally remember going to the theater to watch Harry Potter, I never even noticed Treasure Planet. IT was also up against The Muppets Christmas movie and Die Another Day.
Not to mention that is was so over budget and the new technology that was used throughout the movie made it so only a miracle would allow it to break even much less make money.
Which Muppet Christmas movie? The Muppets didn’t had ANY Theatrical films for a decade following _Muppets from Space_ in 1999.
Bro that simple "...Would." Completely understandable
The supernova, black hole, and Mr. Arrow's death all scared the shit out of me as a kid. Its still rather unsettling.
"Look at you! Glowing like a solar fire. You're something special, Jim. You're gonna rattle the stars, you are!"
Fun Fact: Dame Emma Thompson was pregnant during several recording sessions, which is how Captain Amelia turned out at the end of this movie.
Disney Cinematic Universe Fact: When Jim's (Austin Majors) mother (Laurie Metcalf) sits with him on his bed to read his book, on his bookshelf, there is a Stitch doll in an astronaut suit.
What Script Fact: The contest between Jim (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and Silver (Brain Murphy), each coaxing Morph (Dane A. Davis) to come to them so they could obtain the map, was ad-libbed.
Cameos Cameos Fact: When Jim (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and Dr. Doppler (David Hyde Pierce) arrives at the space-port, they get directions from two characters using a ladder. These are caricatures of directors John Musker (at the top of the ladder) and Ron Clements (holding the bottom of the ladder).
Animation Technical Breakthrough Fact: The humanoid characters are all hand-drawn. John Silver's (Brain Murphy) cyborg leg, arm, eye, and the robot B.E.N. (Martin Short) are flat-rendered CGI. The ship was created using Disney's "Deep Canvas" process, something that is beyond the scope of this comment to explain. In some scenes, all three types of animation appear simultaneously.
also refering to the wound not wounding, in the theatrical version they actually had blood on amelia but its not on dvd or vhs
Glad you liked this one! It really is one of the most underrated Disney animated films created at a time when the studio was distancing itself from its' musical roots and tried to do something different. This and "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" and even to some extent "Meet the Robinsons" are Disney at its' most experimental, and I love 'em!
Atlantis and Treasure Planet lives rent free in my head. Fking love these two.
21:27 supposedly the original release she had some blood on her hand after holding that area, implying a wound, but Disney removed it in the following releases to DVD
I remember this, the local TVs have the version with the blood that they air every now and then.
this was my favorite movie as a child, and after getting older i realised that there will never be a piece of media that reaches my heart as much as treasure planet does. and i read a lot, play a lot of video games, generally have much input when it comes to fictional stories. its truly a treasure. i love every single scene in this movie.
1:56 Please. That's how kids were with their books, before iPads were a thing. No predictions needed.
There's even historical president for it
There's newspaper articles about how radio would ruin children's minds... from like 1910
Jim's dad went out for space cigarettes and blue milk and he never came back
You mean death sticks?
All please listen to this movie’s soundtrack on it’s own, I can’t believe it hasn’t been performed multiple times at a big film music concert with a full orchestra, it’s my absolute favorite Disney score, James Newton Howard outdid himself with this one, incredible work for my one of favorite Disney movies, along with Cars 1, Hercules, Robin and Robin Hood.
I love how they handled the story telling. Whoever read the original already knows that Silver and the crew will turn on the rest for the treasure, so they out this "plot twist" early on. Instead they bring the story of Jim and Silver's relationship, which wasn't as prominent in Treasure Island (iirc, it's been a while). They keep with the cardinal rule of movie adaption - if you're going to re-tell an old story, make sure you have something new to say.
Also, as a child of the 90s', I missed out on this movie in theaters, but had a DVD copy which I watched so much it started skipping permanently, and cartoon Jim Hawkins was one of my earliest crushes 😁
@foodislife479 Heck yes to both, sister 🤩
Gotta really appreciate the animation on captain cat. Her eyes change so often given the mood. Its really good detail.
This film is a misunderstood gem
Glen Keane was the key animator of our Cyborg. He is my favorite animator he gave us Ariel, the beast, Aladdin, Pocahontas, and Tarzan. Just to name a few. And for the record I saw this in IMAX a few times.
I love the irony of Scroop's death. he left Mr. Arrow in the black void of a black hole, and now he is drifting out in space forever.
he also helped to cut/weaken his own lifeline (the flag’s line) trying to kill jim the way he did arrow too
That basically makes him the first Disney villain to die falling upwards.
Unbelievable how this flopped. There are a few video essays out there going into detail about _why_ Treasure Planet failed the way it did. Really interesting stuff, honestly.
This is one of the few animated Disney movies I still watch as an adult occasionally. I think I somewhere saw script notes about a sequel with Jim being in the academy and having to prove himself and I would have loved to see it ... and I would have loved a TV show in this Jules-Verne-like universe even more.
I love that you noticed the arm animations during their first meeting in the gally. There was a special feature on the DVD that showed the animation process for that scene when he was cooking. From rough sketch to digital and final, The clip is hard to find but i found it if anyone's interested. It's on youtube, Disney's Animation Magic: Hosted by Roy Disney | Treasure Planet (2002) Bonus Feature
TP, Pagemaster and The secret Of Nihm were movies I watched on repeat as a kid.
The VHS tapes are physically impossible to use now because of how worn out they got.
What's weird to me is how all of those movies more or less flopped.
I can't help but think that it was a marketing slip up, because the movies themselves are way better than the vast majority of the kids movies that came out then and since.
And they taught valuable lessons to kids. And didn't "talk down" to kids either.
As a boy whith both a lack of a father figure, a nerdy disposition and a metric tonne of mental health issues; Treasure Planet and Pagemaster both hit home for me.
Along with The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Beauty and the Beast. I saw myself in both Quasimodo and Beast, so no surprise there.
My parents divorced when I was a toddler and my biological father wasn't part of my childhood.
They both blame eachother for that so I've no way to factually tell who's in the right. I was too young to remember, after all.
Which left me frustrated and angry with both of them which turned into bitterness and resentment and kind of wrecked my relationship with both.
Meaningful movies, books and stories were incredibly important to me. They gave me guidance and taught me lessons I otherwise simply was not getting.
There is no understating the importance of the stories we tell our kids.
Theres an excellent video essay on this callee 'Treasure Planet Disneys Biggest mistake' and explains how good the film is and why it 'failed'
Treasure Planet and Atlantis were underpromoted and put on bad release dates where they had major competition. They were trying to get out of 2D and hybrid animation. Disney poisoned them.
The movie flopped because disney didn't want it and couldn't merchandise it's characters (I bought the soundtrack because it hit hard)
They say they couldn't merch the characters, yet I remember _begging_ my parents to take me to McDonalds to get a Morph toy! Jim's solar surfer, too!
Happy meal toys are advertising tools
@@dudeman47731the fact they could do that shows they could merchandise it with little to no threat of fiscal loss, I mean they do the princess dolls and those could easily be infringed on by Barbie, and Disney lies like that all the time to cover up their actual issues at the time.
Disney had concluded that the art style used in Tarzan (the vine sliding scene) and then in this movie's production were too expensive and they had some internal company politics so making this movie a failure also served to make certain figures look bad while allowing others to shine.
Basically Disney was starting to get too bloated as a company back then and was looking for cost saving measure back then. That's why they refuse to do anything not CGI anymore.
@@qrowingThe reason was it was practically impossible to make back its cost with how expensive it was so corporate chalked it up as a loss.
It also went up against _Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets_ and _Die Another Day_
No divorce - his dad just took off and never came back.
He went out for milk and got lost at the grocery store.
I beleive he was part of some sort of military and died in a battle or on duty, considering the outfit and the bag he was carrying when he left.
This film, Atlantis, and Titan AE, were all flops, for absolutely no reason other that the world was going towards modern CGI and leaving digital hand drawn styles behind. Which is really sad. Just an unlucky pocket of time the 200-2004 period was.
All 3 of these movies were childhood favorites of mine that I still adore to this day. It’s so sad that they didn’t get the recognition they deserved back then.
disney also had no balls and willingness to market them properly
@@mckenzie.latham91Disney wanted them to flop so they did
@@mckenzie.latham91Even if they marketed them properly, they wouldn't have made their money back with how much money it took to make it.
All they did was just put it out of its misery.
@@Lobsterwithinternet That is cope at best, a lie at worst
the cost for treasure planet was $140 million bucks, they made $110 million back at box office, not great
but had they marketed it more instead of intentionally sabotaging it, they could have made it back and more
This movie was made in 2009
in 2012, just 3 years later, Disney would make Wreck it ralph, which cost them $165 million dollars
almost 25 million more than Treasure Planet cost them
the difference is they marketed the hell out of Wreck it ralph which is why it netted nearly 500 million at box office.
the cost of the production means nothing compared to the marketing and support you put behind it.
The sudden "Would" got a solid laugh out of me
This is honestly one of my favorite movies, i watched at summer camp this year and fell in love, I love the idea of space pirates and the idea of so many other life forms out in space. Jim and Amelia are defenitly some of my favorite disney characters
6:40 also would
Captain Amelia is definitely hard not to love, and this movie even more-so!
You were already damned by the time you said "would"
Absolute classic.
Scroop is a parallel to Israel Hands from the novel Treasure Island.
This was still my favorite childhood move
This movie flopped because Disney wanted it to flop. Breadsword (youtuber) made a good video explaining this. I really hate Disney.
Disney was contractually obligated to let the creators make this film it's part of a basically five film deal. So the executives basically deliberately sabotaged it, there's a whole story behind it if you look into it
This flop because it came out at a bad time. When it came out live action and 3D movies were popular and so this one passed with low sales on teathers. That's the only why it flopped, the rest are deserving of a hidden gem, a good story, awesome steampunk ambient, a great message, great music, lovable characters and a unique animation, with CGI on top of hand drawn animation. Silver is the combination of both, his organic parts are hand drawn and his cybernetic parts are pure CGI.
As a fun fact, they tried Silver's arm on top of a saved animation of Captain Hook from Peter Pan. So deep within Disney's archives there's a cyborg Captain Hook.
That is probably one of the greatest movie Walt Disney studios ever made. The adventure, the visuals, the characters’ development, great music score and the respective songs fit without being a musical. It has twists well executed the audience knows the villain and not the protagonist unlike today’s movies you don’t feel ridiculed but still betrayed , not centered around but the bonds between Jim and silver is half the movie. This is Musker and Clements passion and IT SHOWS. Too bad Disney sacrificed this high potential franchise for the cheaper and faster 3d animation. This is my favorite and go to Disney film and helped through tough times.
32:10 If you did that, you'd likely create an opening to the warp.
I had that on tape back then, watched it like a hundred times. One of the coolest Disney ever, with Atlantis.
I could do my own video on why this movie flopped at the box office, but i was one of the lucky "kids" who saw this at around the same age Jim Hawkins was in the film after my parents got divorced. I too was agansty at that time and related to the relationship between Long John Silver and Jim. However i also loved the muted ylow burn relationship between the Doctor and the Captain as well and even started writing fanfiction to fill in the gaps. I'm still working on fanfiction on the film over 20 years later. Now that Im older and about the age of the adults in this film, I've begun to lean more on their perspective in the tale rather than Jim's, but i still love that he gave him that guidance that lead him to Captain Amelia's recommendation to the academy. If i could write something and publish it in the world the writers created, i would...
Well, not just kids should have gone and seen it when it came out, Disney movies are, imho, aimed at adults just as much as at kids, if not more so. There are often jokes and references in animated movies that go right over the heads of most kids, for example the Jaws reference in this movie. References to older movies or pop culture that clearly are meant for nostalgic adults. And that "subtle" hint that captain Amelia is a domme, who also likes to be dominated. I love animated movies with so much money, time, and talent put into them, that it's obvious that they are more than mere "kids movies" and I have heard more than one reactor say that they get them a lot more when rewatching them as adults. Most of the people doing reactions to movies by for example Disney, Pixar, and DreamWorks are in fact adults, I almost never see any kids or parents with kids do reactions to these movies when searching for reactions, and the adults reacting to them always seem to love them, regardless if they watched the movie as kids, or if it's the first time. I love animated movies, and I haven't been a kid for a loooong time 😆If some people think I'm being childish for loving animated movies, that's a them problem.
Sure, I get that Disney is targeting kids, so that they can annoy their parents into buying toys and merch, but honestly, while the toys and merch from the movies are for kids, and they like the movies on a superficial level, you probably have to be an adult to get the whole picture they are trying to paint.
30:04 has the same feeling as.
Call an ambulance.
But not for me.
At the time we as kids loved it but it was our parents generation that said it was a flop.
One of my favorite animated movies. Especially for the time. Great animation, good music, stupendous writing that's not afraid to use some appropriately big words.
One of only a handful of recent (in the last two decades) films from the Disney vault that I care to rewatch over and over again. It has the charm of a Don Bluth film from the 1980s.
13:46 Actually, Jim's father didn't just abandon his family for no reason, and he's probably dead since he didn't come back.
To explain myself, in the sources about this movie, I found out a long time ago that Jim's father was in some space army, and when we see him leaving in Jim's memory here, Jim's father got a call to come back, and Jim's mother probably cried because her husband recently came back, and he has to go again because he was urgently called away, leaving his family and probably perishing somewhere.
This is from my recollection from a reliable sources, who confirmed this (not sure how well I remember the details, but I know it was a military call or space navy, or something), and of course I wish the movie had shown more, or at least explained the scenes a little better of the past.
It may have flopped then, but nowadays it's in my top five Disney Animated movies next to Atlantis The Lost Empire and Hercules.
Certified hood classics!!
If you look into it there's a lot of movies that are beloved treasures now that bombed the box office at the time including films like the thing
Pretty much. Either because the advertising wasn't there or that it was ahead of its time.
I love this movie.
If you want some grown up pirate adventures based on Treasure Island then I'd recommend the show Black Sails.
Took me way too long to realize that Morph was a sci-fi parrot
It was called Dragon’s Lair.
If you want to shame someone for this movie failing at the box office, then you need to shame the Disney executives. They literally sabotaged it by giving it little to no promotion and releasing it in theaters alongside huge movies from other studios
..."would" lol also It was actively sabotaged by higher ups in Disney
They were originally worried about the CG arm but look it up it's really cool they tried it on some old footage of Captain Hook
I was 10 when Treasure Planet came out and I did see it in theatres. 👍 I was a super big sci-fi nerd growing up and I absolutely adored this movie. It has been my favorite Disney movie since it came out (Atlantis coming in a close second) & is still my fav to this day.
16:06 great cut haha
Treasure Planet did a lot of more unique things. The father was neglectful and straight up just abandoned his family instead of dying, Jim and Silver's relationship is the driving force of the movie, and Silver stands out among most Disney baddies as an anti-villain and despite being initially set up at the main villain is actually not the main threat as that goes to Scroop. People sometimes wonder which side of Silver is real and which is him pretending, and I say both but his ruthless side is more played up. It's easier for a good guy to act bad than a bad guy to act good.
As a Late 80's early 90's baby. I LOVED this movie and watched it many many times. i dont know how the heck it flopped except for the unfortunate timing of its release alongside a number of blockbusters it just couldnt compete with. The movie was a marvel in its time but yea it couldnt keep up
29:29 Then why would he tell people about it? He said 'if you want it, go find it' - not that he bothered to mention where it even was.
No one actually knows what it is - or those who do know won't tell, or those who know those who might know won't ask because that would spoil everything. Or those who know were never asked because no one knows that they know.
the reason why it was a flop is supposedly right before the movie was done the studio and the family that controls the rights to the original story (treasure Island) came to an argument and as the story goes they then focused there advertising on other movies that were coming out at the time and only showed it in the minimum amount of theaters to make the terms of the contract.
It definitely should not have been a flop. But, a few factors as to why it could have been: there were a couple big movies in the theater at the time including Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Also, the marketing was poor it was as if the powers that be didn't want it to be successful. Perhaps the themes presented were a bit before its time, as well. Regardless, it has stood the test of time and I'm sure it has made some residuals since then.
The Muppets Treasure Island was such a fun movie!
There was gonna be a sequel with Willem Dafoe as the villain, Ironbeard. But it was cancelled because Disney sabotaged the first film.
I don't get why the film had such backlash. It was one of my favourites growing up.
Backlash?
@@Lobsterwithinternet Yeah, there were people trashing the movie as one of the worst pre-woke disney films to come out. I honestly don't know why people hated it.
@@mck0027 Honestly didn't hear anyone smack-talking it when it came out.
Do they say why?
@@Lobsterwithinternet The Nostalgia Critic said that the idea of combining Treasure Island and Sci-fi was too distracting and make it difficult for people to be immersed.
@@orangeslash1667 Really?
Never heard anything like that.
It was mostly people not going to see it because there were a bunch of _Treasure Island_ adaptations that came out before it as well as premiering on the same day as _Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets_ kind of sealed it’s fate.
If you want more of the same (well, similar, more than the same), I suggest Titan AE. Slightly more gritty, but also good, with a great soundtrack. Thanks for posting!
Treasure Planet didn't fail. We failed it.
Yeah, this is a great movie. Certainly cutting edge with the meshing of computer and more traditional styles of animation (if I'm remembering correctly.) As ither mentioned it was released around the time of Chamber of Secrets, which pulled a lot of attention from it. I'm trying to remember, because I also did not go see it in the theater. If I am remembering correctly, the advertising for it just didn't grab my interest. As a retelling / modified version of treasure island, it just fell into the, "I can catch it sometime later" category for me. Which it didn't deserve.
Don't worry, lots of people have fallen for the Captain over the years. She's voiced by Emma Thompson so that helps a lot
How this flopped was a sad story of them wanting it to do so for the express purpose of being able to say it would fail, and the release timing was done so as to support stating it did not make enough money to justify using 2d animation any longer
Just a life-long obsession jimbo, I’ll get over it
Technically it was a laser flintlock.
Ah, Treasure Planet one of Disney's best underrated movies. Nice choice.
It flapped because it used a stupidly expensive 2D/3D combo animation style, and Disney used it as an excuse to close the studio.
One of a few passion projects to so extensively blend 3D cgi with 2D handdrawn and it was impressive, shame it was buried just because the publishers didn't believe in it.
Huh hadn't thought about it, but yeah it might be the only disney movies where the primary characters get to use firearms firsthand, miss the times when they got to take chances and didn't have to comply with arbitrary sensitivity sociopolitical correctness nonsense.
I am shocked you did not just listed to the Audio Book for school
This film is definitely worth more than it’s box office $! Unfortunately it had a few big things against it. Including but not limited to, basically sabotage by the Disney Executives( the boss at the time never wanted to do Treasure Is. and butted heads with the creative team that did. As. Result, there was very little advertisement and whether planed or not, the release weekend went up against some uber popular films, I think too the time of year was bad for adventure films. The animation, while brilliant, was super expensive to do to blend all the affects and techniques, and since it didn’t preform well, see previous, the executives took it as a sign to not invest in the blending technology and they chased after CG.
But the fans know it’s worth, and its popularity continues to grow!
I dont remember anybody saying this movie flopped lol talked with people as i grew up that watched it too and everybody who seen it loved it.
While it did unfortunately flopped there was a planned sequel in the works which I think became a video game to take its place.
Lucky you, because I could not survive this captain. And I love this movie but when that fricking robot shows up... It gets a little harder to enjoy it.
Why was it a flop? Internal politics at Disney. Same reason Atlantis The Lost Empire was. The executives were all gung ho to switch to 3D animation as the standard for everything and these two movies were some of the last hand drawn ones they made. The people pushing 3D didn't *want* these movies to succeed because that might hamper the switch. So they basically didn't advertise properly....or so I heard.
Because disney set it up to bob Iger hates animators these animators pushed for thisFilm for a decade and got it begrudgingly.
I remember the awful commercials that sold this as a fart filled comedy. And showed nothing of marrit. They set it up to fail at the box office!
Im hapoy to see disney up in smoke and im sure Walt himself is glad its going under as this is certainly not his vision. Were his legacy was bought out from his family, and the animators were made to march the plank, and studios puppeteered on strings at death.
The movie flopped because 2D animation takes more resources (aka money) to make than computer generated animation, so Disney decided to basically tank it's own animation department so they could have an excuse to go full 3D animation instead
23:23 Don't think that's all that uncommon for people in positions of power tbh
Great Video!
It came out the same year and I believe the same day as Shrek I’m not for sure
this is one of a handful of early 00s animated films that were great but unfortunately was so much extra work and budget for not a big payout especially when you look right over at Pixar which was making bank and seemed flashier and cooler.
This movie flopped due to self sabotage from Disney. The software that made the 3D portions of the movie were extremely expensive to use. On top of that, this movie was only allowed to be made because the producers wanted this movie made as payment for doing a different film. One of the Directors didn't like this producer, and so screwed up the promoting of the film. All the characters were spoiled in the cutscenes. Thus people didn't go out to watch it since the entire premise of the movie was given away. With the extra cost of the software, and the Sabotage, the movie made the record loss for Disney. Thus becoming 'Disney's Biggest Flop'.
Did y'all hear about the live action that is now in motion of script righting and actors being opcione for people in the movie 🎉🎉🎉
How did it flop?
Harry Potter
there is absolutely no rule34 content for any of the characters in this movie so dont bother looking
Diverse leveled out
Can you do Atlantis the lost empire next? 😀
It flopped due to poor marketing as disney wanted to still do 2d movies and wanted to stick to that style so alot of the early 2000's disney movies disney tried to purposefully shaft each movie so people would only want the 2d style but as time went on disney saw how successful the style was and eventually switched to it and now use it way to much
Disney really does know how to ruin everything good in this world.
Late 2D Disney is best Disney.
😊😊😊
I think it’s good but not great. I also feel like the pirate theme was good but it lost my interest with all the aliens, it’s too many genres packed into one for my taste. Some of the jokes fell flat for me too. Idk I just feel like there’s a lot of flaws with this movie, especially during a time when better and more popular movies were available to be watched