Plus, you can also have a changeover and use the original burr grinders to grind some filter coffee, and save your Espresso grinders simply use the Espresso grinder for your coffee brew. I rarely brew coffee now unless its a pour over. Good video, save people money.
This was so helpful for an espresso noob! I found the espresso burrs for my Filtro, was able to tell I had the Pro original version burrs, and just swapped them out. Thanks, subscribed! (Be careful to anyone who tries this, the Filtro uses very soft Phillips screws that stripped easily)
@@MA-nn6mk I mean... I like high-clarity espresso. So the higher uniformity of the brew burrs do it better for me. They definitely grind fine enough too...
Great video! I own the crono and have been using the original filter burrs for my espresso for about 4 months now. Made the switch to espresso-burrs yesterday and it’s honestly like night and day. First thing I noticed was that the grind time is reduced by almost half. Popcorning is almost at 0 (probably helps the grind time). I would say that the espresso is smoother and sweeter compared to the filter burrs. There’s probably less fines compared to before which might have reduced bitterness. For the price (35 euro) I’m really pleased with the outcome!
I haven't seen even one video close to this level of detail. There are too many people who don't even consider saving some money on home setups. For me it's not a hobby I just want to make a good tasting cup of espresso
I must recommend anyone wanting to grind for Espresso do buy the Filtro, if you can find it at a good price, and change the burrs. It's awesome and with the Filtro you just have the manual start so no need to dial in any timer, just weigh the beans and hold the button until it's done. Best budget setup.
As someone who has been searching around for good, objective information on the eureka line of grinders all I can say is thank you. Hands down the best video I've seen on the topic. Crono ordered just now. Gonna give the filter burrs a try and consider results before ordering espresso burrs
@@sofocle80 no issues so far. Some small am I until of fines come through on finer grind settings but it doesn't seem to noticeably impact flavor. I'll probably upgrade to the espresso burrs down the road whenever I wear the filter burrs out but I don't feel a pressing urgency to do so. I'm pulling consistent shots with good flavor and good crema right now
The Baratza forte series is similar. The Forte BG and AP are same machine except the BG(Brew grinder) with steel burrs is for "filter" coffee and the AP(All purpose) with ceramic burrs for "espresso". They also use the exact burr size and can be exchanged between the two.
I stumbled into a filtro as my espresso grinder. I bought it when it came out for filter, found out it came with the same espresso burrs and absolutely hated it, and put it away in my cabinet for two years. I later got a Silvia Pro X as my first espresso machine and used this grinder happily. The single dose hopper, tilted base, and removal of the declumper (plus RDT) have gotten me down to under .1g retention. Another trick is I leave the front face plate off the machine. This allows the rubber chute cover to be lifted for easy cleaning after each use.
I got mine (b stock) for 150€. Great espresso with stock burrs but very little range for adjustment: let's say 1/2 number of the gear between an extremely runny shot to a very slow running one. All good but after around 6 months I changed the burrs with the espresso ones (notice I found quite a bit of coffee stucked in the chamber although I was using the filter burrs)and I noticed a way more more room for adjustments: let's say a full number on the gear. Plus, a way less clumps. So overall very happy of the change. Plus I also made a littled to the buttons that allow me to use the main switcher without having to keep pressing the all the time. Great grinder! Great video!
Hi great review. I also bought the Chrono (a couple of years ago) and used it for espresso. It was fine however just a few days ago i changed the burrs for espresso burrs and am pleased I have done so. With the Filtro burrs an espresso grind is easily possible however I noticed after changing to espresso burrs that the Filtro burrs needed to be on a much finer setting, they would take 2 to 3 times as long to grind a 15g dose and even with bellows there was greater retention. For the small additional cost it is definitely worth getting espresso burrs.
how do you find the espresso burr perform on filter coffee compared to filtro burrs? im thinking of getting a large dial and if the difference is small i dont plan on switching burrs
Thank you for this revealing video. I wish at the beginning and end I could see your face. You should have tons of subscribers based on the quality of information.
I just checked my mignon Crono from 2020, it has the espresso burrs built-in. I guess they havent had the brew specific burrs at that time, so they just shipped them with the espresso ones (they had a news post about them in 2021)
Hey man wonderful content! I had my suspicions about the lineup and your video confirmed this! Just the question how do the brewburs taste compared to the espresso burs for brewing espresso? I had delved into different bur geometry since ssp exists and I was wondering if the brew burs espresso tasted pleasant in your experience! Thank you so much for putting in the effort for this information:) very underrated video
IMO, it doesn't make a big difference. OTOH, I would not claim to have enough experience or a refined enough palate to have a serious opinion about that anyway.
This was a great examination of the Eureka range. I was curious about the differences between the models too, so I looked for replacement parts. The motor for the Specialita is £100 more expensive than the motor for the Brew Pro, for example. Does this mean they have different designs? I'm not sure. Both machines weigh the same though. Another thing I looked at was the Moccamaster KM5. That's a pretty new machine, and the general opinion is that it's based on the Filtro. The unit is a whole kilo less in weight however. I can't see where that weight loss occurred, given that the KM5 should be just a reskin of the Eureka. 🤔
I couldn't answer for sure on the motors. As far as the KM5, it does look similar, but the body is different. It looks like it's extruded aluminum, whereas the Eurkea's look like they are cast. That could be where the weight savings are. The bottom of the Eureka's come out in the front, where as the KM5 doesn't.
I made el-cheapo change on another Eureka, the 65e. Purshased a burr holders and burrs for 75mm Olympus. Changed them and now I have 75e ;-) The chamber is the same but tighter fitting, so there is not that much room for retention. Speed of things came plenty faster, actually too fast for comfort, 65mm had appr 12secs and now if spits same amount in 4secs. -BTW: If I'd be buying a Mignon, I'd find the Turbo, cheapest 65mm version.
@@TechDregs Yes, I bet there is no "own" burr-chamber in every burr-size in mignon-series either.And to add: If I recall the crono had actually esresso burrs in some earlier state, and espresso burrs have 2 options, harder:"diamond inside" and normal. Mine has 4 options, steel, titanium "diamond inside" and "redspeed" I have not intended to get those pricier ones as I know mine last at least 5 years on my grinding, and these cheaper are...cheaper.
@Tech Dregs: "Again the espresso burr set is the only real difference" My suspicion is that the "espresso burr set" is mostly marketing. I dont see anywhere (your video or elsewhere) that the "espresso burr set" demonstrates has any substantive, real difference from "filter burrs", beyond Eureka's colorful description. And most people see that and assume it has some real meaning, that if they buy the Filtro or Crono, theyll need to upgrade to "espresso burrs" Someone mentioned below, in 2020 they were still calling the mignon/filtro burrs "espresso burrs" even though now somehow they are now "filter burrs" I've been using these "filter burrs" for espresso, they choke my machine, no problem, with fineness setting to spare. Did you see any real substantive difference between these "filter burrs" and "espresso burrs"? If so you ought to elaborate in the video, its the one area where you dont really substantiate as strongly as on other comparison points.
They are different. Look around 18:50 in the video; I literally show them side by side and discuss the differences. The actually did introduce new "filter" burrs on the recent models. Older versions had the burrs which are now referred to as "espresso" burrs. So, people in 2020 did, in fact, get espresso burrs and people that have bought in the past year or so got filter burrs.
@@TechDregs Thanks! Really good pull-apart analysis. Ive been wondering about this for a looong time. What you've described is a way more nuanced version of what I had assumed; the filter burrs are different and do work for espresso but in some subtle ways the dedicated espresso burrs will do it better
I’m not convinced the shape or size of burrs makes a difference in taste. Used to work in a café and made espressos for 2 years; The look of the machine and grind coarseness make a bigger difference on the taste
I have had the new Crono for 6 months now and I was using it mostly for brew coffee with the occasional espresso. I never felt I could get a consistent espresso grind no matter how hard I tried to be as accurate as possible. I finally was fed up trying to use the crono for espresso and bought a Facile espresso grinder. The ground espresso is night and day different between the expresso burrs of the facile and the brew burrs of the crono. Also the facile has sound dampening and it’s so much quieter when grinding than the crono. That being said yes if you want to convert a crono or filtro to an espresso grinder and change out the burrs I don’t think you will be disappointed. The only thing I will say is that I was told by one of the US retailers of the Eureka grinders that the espresso grinder motors are heavy duty compared to the brew grinders because there’s quite a bit more stress put on them. Take that for what it’s worth.
Interesting, I didn't use the filter burrs long. Just a little while waiting on the espresso burrs to arrive. I wouldn't doubt they aren't as consistent; they are quite a different profile. As I mention, I got a lot of popcorning with them, and that would lend itself to more grind variation. I would need to see the motor difference to believe it. I can't think of any reason that grinding for espresso would put a substantial amount of stress on the motor that a filter grind wouldn't face. Plus, the motor in the Crono is huge, considering the work it has to do. That said, I haven't actually examined them myself, so it's possible that they are different.
So, i bought a filtro... The cheapest one on this list. Have tried both the filter and espresso burrs. I have to say that the filter burrs are the BEST DEAL IN ESPRESSO. I can't believe this thing isn't talked about more.
@@diger4921 it's almost like the burrs do whatever they do and are branded for one or another... High uniformity burrs make higher clarity espresso that I enjoy.
@@andremagnani lol i just bought a 2. Hand and it got espresso burrs. I didint know the burrs before i bought it. Should i change it with the other one?
Hi, thanks for this very interesting comparision. I was curious about the price difference between filter and espresso versions. Surprised you did not include the Facile. It is essentially the Silencio without the timer function. It retails for $399 in the US and is currently selling for $350 on Amazon and WLL. I just ordered one and cannot wait to pair it up with my GCP.
Would going for the Mignon Filtro with an extra set of espresso burrs for 230$ total good for a Sage Bambino ? Or should I just go with the Silenzio for 330 ? Thanks for this amazing vid, everything is so much clearer with this big lineup of Eurekas.
If it's my money? I'd probably get the Filtro. It won't have a timer, but the timers aren't super useful if you're single dosing. It won't have a portafilter fork, but you can add one. It will probably be slightly louder, but still not that loud.
@@TechDregs Yes exactly right ? :o I'm just a beginner at this, all I want is a good coffee grinder to start with, I don't really need the other bells and whistles the other models have so I might start with the filtro for 220$ since it seems the rest of the lineup of 50mm burrs are just the exact same anyways so the quality of my ground beans would be the same and that's mostly what matters. Thank you again for making this so lineup so crystal clear ! :)
@@andras888 I'm not 100% sure, but I think it just has the button on the side. From the photos/videos, it still has the membrane for the button on the front, but I think it's non-functional.
I purchased crono with filtro pro burrs. It was slow for espresso. Filtro burrs have less sharper burrs so it takes time to catch beans into burrs. I replaced these burrs with standart sharp espresso burrs. I also did alignment. It is faster now. However I feel the taste of espresso was richer with filtro pro burrs before. I don't know if anyone experienced same?
Could be the offer a different distribution of grind particles. Each burrset is going to vary a little in how uniformly it grinds, and that can change what you're tasting.
Thanks for mentioning the speed, I feel the difference in taste due to might not be significant enough for me to justify. I’ll use the crono burrs until I need to change them!
Thanks for the video, it was very helpful and well structured. I live in Spain and had the same thoughts about the only difference being the burrs. I am currently deciding between the mignon zero and the mignon zero brew with the espresso burrs change. Do you know what is the easy setting technology they advertise only in the brew model? I am worried it actually changes the adjustment range.
I think it's literally just markings they put on the knob to tell you where different coffee types should be ground. Like... "here's espresso range, here's drip range, here's turkish range". I'm not 100% sure, but everything online I see about it suggests it's just how they label the knob.
Thanks again, @@TechDregs . The Eureka lineup is quite confusing, but your review is the best and most honest I have found. Seeing the retention you are getting I may as well opt for the Crono to have the timer, it could be useful for pulling consecutive shots on my Cafelat Robot when friends are over. You have a nice channel, I wish you the best.
Great comprehensive video! I know you're showing a Crono here but do you know if there is a push button in the front of the Filtro (similar to the Manuele/Notte) or is the side button the only way to turn it on?
Really well made video explaining clearly what I wanted to know. Kudos. 😀 How does the Eureka Mignon Facile compared to those models you were talking about? What if you don't have a 3D printer and you want that bean loader bellows combination?
The Facile looks like they took the Silenzio and removed the timer. If you want a single dose bellows... maybe try Etsy or Amazon, or search the internet for other retailers. Usually, you can find them made of silicone for $20-40 depending on where you get them.
The silenzio? I don't really know much about the vendor options. Probably just go with one that seems reputable. I don't think there's huge variation in pricing.
Between those three, if you are doing espresso, it's probably easiest to get the Manuale. It's essentially the Filtro with espresso burrs. But the burrs probably cost $30 anyway, and it also comes with a portafilter fork. The Chrono is essentially the Filtro with a timer, but if you single dose, the timer isn't super useful.
How would this function as a multi-purpose grinder? I brew drip almost daily and recently got an entry level espresso machine. Crono looks great but I'm not sure about going back and forth between the two settings.
Yeah, it probably would be tough if you're using it for two different machines that need different grinds. The dial does have marks for reference, but depending on how far of an adjustment you need to make, the dial spins more than one rotation, so that might be tough to keep track of. Because then you'd nee to remember something like "ok, it's 2 full turns and then back to setting 5" or something.
@@TechDregs yeah, I think I can live with that when the alternative is spending a few hundred bucks more. One more question though, how does the button work with the timer? For example, does it stop grinding when there is still time to go? Like, can I use it as a start/stop switch without adjusting the timer? Btw,I don't know if you're aware of this but I saw some posts on Reddit that suggested adding auto insulation material inside the casing, claiming a few decibels decrease in the noise levels. Cheers
@@efeyamacyarbas8658 Hadn't seen the insulation bit, but IMO... I doubt it's worth it. Maybe... but I think most of the noise is coming from the actual grinding, not the motor or case resonance. Anyway, the timer on the Crono is not interruptible. Once it starts, the machine will run, and pushing the start/stop button again won't do anything. I do wish they would change that, but that's how it works. So, you push the button, it's going to run for the set time unless you turn off the master power switch. The start/stop button won't do anything after it starts running.
@@TechDregsDo you have the files for your redesign available to share :) thanks for the awesome video btw, super helpful. I'm looking to get a grinder just for pour over and aeropress with the occasional mokka pot but this was still really helpful
You might want to replace the burrs on the $200 Filtro with espresso burrs, but the replacement burrs for the Notte that you would need to buy to fit the Filtro may cost more than the extra $130 cost for a $330 Notte. 🤔 ☕ 😃
I'm not sure what you mean. They all use the same 50mm burr pattern. The espresso burrs to fit the Filtro cost about $30-40 depending on where you want to buy them.
Thanks for the video ! I accidentally bought a mignon zero brew, do you reckon it is as simple as changing just the espresso burr set for it to become a mignon zero. (It seems like all the specs in the zero line up is quite identical)
Hey, thank you for the great video! I don't know if it's new, but I guess Filtro and Crono has 260W motor power and not 310W. Do you think this would be a problem for switching to espresso burrs?
Eureka's website still has them listed as 310w. It's possible that the vendor's website is just incorrect. I found lots of different numbers reported, but mine pulled 290w from the wall, so I believe the 310w is the accurate number. True watts can depend on the voltage of electrical service in your area.
Hello, thank younso much for the detailed video. I have a question, after youbchange the burrs to espresso burrs, can youbstill grind for drip/pour over/drip coffee? Thanks!!
I don't have those to test, but they are basically the same thing, mechanically, so I would presume that there would be no difference if you use the same burrs.
Hello my friend i was looking this video to clear my head up because of eureka plays with marketing , i wan to ask you if filtro is good for making espresso shots instent of crono or manuale and can i use 55mm burst ?
The Filtro/Crono/Manuale are all 50mm burr grinders. The Manuale is basically the Filtro, but it comes already set up for espresso, with the espresso burrs and a portafilter fork instead of a grind bin. The Filtro and the Crono only differ in the fact that the Crono has a timer. The Manuale, like the Filtro, does not have a timer.
@@TechDregs So its good too make an espresso out of the box directly with his own burrs or i should buy the espresso burrs as you said on the video , thanks for replying.
@@FFCpower For the Filtro? It will work fine out of the box, but it might work better if you get the espresso burr set for it. But it's not a gigantic difference.
Won't fit, because the bottom burr carrier has a crown around it. Perhaps there's a replacement lower burr carrier that could be swapped, as I think the grinding chamber itself is just big enough to accommodate 55m burrs.
Would not buy a 50mm Eureka Mignon anymore. (no way to upgrade to high end burrs) The specialita can be get for as low as 350$ when sellers got it discounted. It's a shame the Mignon Barista is not available anymore.(cheapest 55mm Mignon)
That would be a fantastic deal. I don't see the Specialita anywhere under $650 or so on a normal basis. So, that would be a huge discount. I'm not sure if I would think the 55mm burrs would be much better... but yeah, it it was that small of a price difference, I'd probably get the Specialita.
@@TechDregs Yeah I see US prices are rly blown. Here in Europe you get them much cheaper. There is a new 55mm Mignon out there now. The Mignon Zero. Comes with single dose hopper but thankfully without display.(not needed anyway). It should be available for 350$ soon.(300€ in Europe) Chiscoffee already has it for 450$ which sadly is very blown. The 55mm burrs are around 20% bigger than the 50mm ones.(2*r*π) I know 5mm does not sound much but it rly makes a huge different, especially the upgraded ones. Also the diamond burrs produce much more consistent coffee powder.
The 55mm burrs actually have around 33% more surface area (presuming they have the same 30mm mounting hole in the middle). However, that should really only contribute extra grinding speed... I think the quality of the grind is more to do with the geometry of the burr itself. Speed isn't a big concern for me though, as this grinder goes plenty fast for me. I'm not sure shaving 5 seconds or so off the grind time would make any difference to me. The bigger burrs will also have a faster interface ("surface speed") at the outside edge, since they have the same motor RPM, but IDK if that makes much difference. I am curious why Italmill or SSP don't sell upgraded burrs for these things... there are a lot of them out there, and if the diamond burrs are the improvement you say, I bet a lot of people might be interested in something like that. Heck, obviously the DF64 people are all about that... why not for the Mignon? The Zero is still $500 here ($450 is for an open box/used one). I guess Eureka is eventually going to realize that they are competing against themself with their lineup, and differentiate their models more, or something.
@@afranzen Yeah Eureka rly rips off their oversea customers. After all these are very simple machines with huge margins. Go for Caedo if you could afford it. Those grinders are at least undestructible and build for decades to last.
This is exactly what I was looking for. youre a legend, I had a feeling this was the case, didnt make sense that the prices increased that much.
this is the video I was looking for
Well done, informative and thorough in-depth look at getting the most bang for your buck from this solid grinder.
Got the filtro for 160€ new with shipping and the burrs for 25€. Thank you for saving me 70€!
Plus, you can also have a changeover and use the original burr grinders to grind some filter coffee, and save your Espresso grinders simply use the Espresso grinder for your coffee brew. I rarely brew coffee now unless its a pour over. Good video, save people money.
This was so helpful for an espresso noob! I found the espresso burrs for my Filtro, was able to tell I had the Pro original version burrs, and just swapped them out. Thanks, subscribed!
(Be careful to anyone who tries this, the Filtro uses very soft Phillips screws that stripped easily)
THIS IS THE VIDEO IVE BEEN LOOKING FORRR. THANK YOIU
I have been thinking to get the chrono for espresso for a while. You just affirmed al my suspicions. Thank you for the video!
Glad I could help! It's been working pretty well for me.
Very helpful, I have the Filtro and have been considering converting it to espresso burrs. This is helpful
Dude Ive tried both, the filter burrs actually make better espresso.
@@andremagnani how
@@MA-nn6mk I mean... I like high-clarity espresso. So the higher uniformity of the brew burrs do it better for me. They definitely grind fine enough too...
@@andremagnani Allright bro i just bought a 2. hand filtro, I dont know of it has espresso burrs or the one for drip.
the guy who i bought it from has bought it end 2021
Beaty video I’ve saw on Eureka Lineup… this was extremely informative and I appreciate it… thanks a lot
Great video!
I own the crono and have been using the original filter burrs for my espresso for about 4 months now. Made the switch to espresso-burrs yesterday and it’s honestly like night and day. First thing I noticed was that the grind time is reduced by almost half. Popcorning is almost at 0 (probably helps the grind time).
I would say that the espresso is smoother and sweeter compared to the filter burrs. There’s probably less fines compared to before which might have reduced bitterness. For the price (35 euro) I’m really pleased with the outcome!
Hi Johnsson, can you please give me the link of the espresso burrs?
I haven't seen even one video close to this level of detail. There are too many people who don't even consider saving some money on home setups. For me it's not a hobby I just want to make a good tasting cup of espresso
I must recommend anyone wanting to grind for Espresso do buy the Filtro, if you can find it at a good price, and change the burrs. It's awesome and with the Filtro you just have the manual start so no need to dial in any timer, just weigh the beans and hold the button until it's done. Best budget setup.
Dude! Incredibly impressive video! This video is why i watch RUclips!
As someone who has been searching around for good, objective information on the eureka line of grinders all I can say is thank you. Hands down the best video I've seen on the topic. Crono ordered just now. Gonna give the filter burrs a try and consider results before ordering espresso burrs
How were the filter burrs?
@@sofocle80 no issues so far. Some small am I until of fines come through on finer grind settings but it doesn't seem to noticeably impact flavor. I'll probably upgrade to the espresso burrs down the road whenever I wear the filter burrs out but I don't feel a pressing urgency to do so. I'm pulling consistent shots with good flavor and good crema right now
You're a legend dude! You've earned yourself a like and subscribe.
That was an amazing review. Thanks for saving me hundreds of dollars!
The Baratza forte series is similar. The Forte BG and AP are same machine except the BG(Brew grinder) with steel burrs is for "filter" coffee and the AP(All purpose) with ceramic burrs for "espresso". They also use the exact burr size and can be exchanged between the two.
very useful video thanks
Great catch! thanks for the insight.
I stumbled into a filtro as my espresso grinder. I bought it when it came out for filter, found out it came with the same espresso burrs and absolutely hated it, and put it away in my cabinet for two years. I later got a Silvia Pro X as my first espresso machine and used this grinder happily. The single dose hopper, tilted base, and removal of the declumper (plus RDT) have gotten me down to under .1g retention. Another trick is I leave the front face plate off the machine. This allows the rubber chute cover to be lifted for easy cleaning after each use.
I got mine (b stock) for 150€. Great espresso with stock burrs but very little range for adjustment: let's say 1/2 number of the gear between an extremely runny shot to a very slow running one. All good but after around 6 months I changed the burrs with the espresso ones (notice I found quite a bit of coffee stucked in the chamber although I was using the filter burrs)and I noticed a way more more room for adjustments: let's say a full number on the gear. Plus, a way less clumps. So overall very happy of the change. Plus I also made a littled to the buttons that allow me to use the main switcher without having to keep pressing the all the time.
Great grinder! Great video!
Hi,how to mod the front button that allow you to use it without keep pressing?
@@fhmcoffeeI just made a video for you. You'll find it 😊
@@ivanprisco2525 thanks 🤝🤝
I did mod the activator as well. But a bit advanced. Lol
@@DaddyMakesCoffee what did you do?....share!🙂
Hi great review. I also bought the Chrono (a couple of years ago) and used it for espresso. It was fine however just a few days ago i changed the burrs for espresso burrs and am pleased I have done so. With the Filtro burrs an espresso grind is easily possible however I noticed after changing to espresso burrs that the Filtro burrs needed to be on a much finer setting, they would take 2 to 3 times as long to grind a 15g dose and even with bellows there was greater retention. For the small additional cost it is definitely worth getting espresso burrs.
how do you find the espresso burr perform on filter coffee compared to filtro burrs? im thinking of getting a large dial and if the difference is small i dont plan on switching burrs
@@Jayfoxpox hmm I don’t make filter coffee so I’m really pleased to have changed the Filtro burrs for espresso ones.
Awesome video! Thank you :D
I got the filtro 2 years ago it came with the espresso burr .I use a 1" pvc sleeve and a bait duster for bellows. The pvc holds 18 grams of beans
Would you mind posting a photo?
wow very helpful, thank you
Thank you for this revealing video. I wish at the beginning and end I could see your face. You should have tons of subscribers based on the quality of information.
Ah I appreciate that. Haven't quite gotten brave enough for the face reveal yet. Lol.
I just checked my mignon Crono from 2020, it has the espresso burrs built-in. I guess they havent had the brew specific burrs at that time, so they just shipped them with the espresso ones (they had a news post about them in 2021)
Yes, several of the older reviews on Amazon mention that they had espresso burrs. That's one of the reasons I gave it a shot... clearly it's capable.
I asked itallimill burr company if they make these burrs for eureka . They said YES.
Amazing video. Thank you!
Hey man wonderful content! I had my suspicions about the lineup and your video confirmed this! Just the question how do the brewburs taste compared to the espresso burs for brewing espresso? I had delved into different bur geometry since ssp exists and I was wondering if the brew burs espresso tasted pleasant in your experience! Thank you so much for putting in the effort for this information:) very underrated video
IMO, it doesn't make a big difference. OTOH, I would not claim to have enough experience or a refined enough palate to have a serious opinion about that anyway.
This was a great examination of the Eureka range. I was curious about the differences between the models too, so I looked for replacement parts. The motor for the Specialita is £100 more expensive than the motor for the Brew Pro, for example. Does this mean they have different designs? I'm not sure. Both machines weigh the same though.
Another thing I looked at was the Moccamaster KM5. That's a pretty new machine, and the general opinion is that it's based on the Filtro. The unit is a whole kilo less in weight however. I can't see where that weight loss occurred, given that the KM5 should be just a reskin of the Eureka. 🤔
I couldn't answer for sure on the motors. As far as the KM5, it does look similar, but the body is different. It looks like it's extruded aluminum, whereas the Eurkea's look like they are cast. That could be where the weight savings are. The bottom of the Eureka's come out in the front, where as the KM5 doesn't.
I made el-cheapo change on another Eureka, the 65e. Purshased a burr holders and burrs for 75mm Olympus. Changed them and now I have 75e ;-) The chamber is the same but tighter fitting, so there is not that much room for retention. Speed of things came plenty faster, actually too fast for comfort, 65mm had appr 12secs and now if spits same amount in 4secs. -BTW: If I'd be buying a Mignon, I'd find the Turbo, cheapest 65mm version.
The turbo is quite a bit more expensive than the 50mm versions, but it's very cool that the burr holders can be swapped out like that.
@@TechDregs Yes, I bet there is no "own" burr-chamber in every burr-size in mignon-series either.And to add: If I recall the crono had actually esresso burrs in some earlier state, and espresso burrs have 2 options, harder:"diamond inside" and normal. Mine has 4 options, steel, titanium "diamond inside" and "redspeed" I have not intended to get those pricier ones as I know mine last at least 5 years on my grinding, and these cheaper are...cheaper.
@Tech Dregs:
"Again the espresso burr set is the only real difference"
My suspicion is that the "espresso burr set" is mostly marketing. I dont see anywhere (your video or elsewhere) that the "espresso burr set" demonstrates has any substantive, real difference from "filter burrs", beyond Eureka's colorful description. And most people see that and assume it has some real meaning, that if they buy the Filtro or Crono, theyll need to upgrade to "espresso burrs"
Someone mentioned below, in 2020 they were still calling the mignon/filtro burrs "espresso burrs" even though now somehow they are now "filter burrs" I've been using these "filter burrs" for espresso, they choke my machine, no problem, with fineness setting to spare.
Did you see any real substantive difference between these "filter burrs" and "espresso burrs"? If so you ought to elaborate in the video, its the one area where you dont really substantiate as strongly as on other comparison points.
They are different. Look around 18:50 in the video; I literally show them side by side and discuss the differences.
The actually did introduce new "filter" burrs on the recent models. Older versions had the burrs which are now referred to as "espresso" burrs. So, people in 2020 did, in fact, get espresso burrs and people that have bought in the past year or so got filter burrs.
@@TechDregs Thanks! Really good pull-apart analysis. Ive been wondering about this for a looong time. What you've described is a way more nuanced version of what I had assumed; the filter burrs are different and do work for espresso but in some subtle ways the dedicated espresso burrs will do it better
I’m not convinced the shape or size of burrs makes a difference in taste. Used to work in a café and made espressos for 2 years; The look of the machine and grind coarseness make a bigger difference on the taste
@@alexandrelefebvre8 totally.
"the look of the machine"?
@@joshlazar495 machine looks good!
I have had the new Crono for 6 months now and I was using it mostly for brew coffee with the occasional espresso. I never felt I could get a consistent espresso grind no matter how hard I tried to be as accurate as possible. I finally was fed up trying to use the crono for espresso and bought a Facile espresso grinder. The ground espresso is night and day different between the expresso burrs of the facile and the brew burrs of the crono. Also the facile has sound dampening and it’s so much quieter when grinding than the crono. That being said yes if you want to convert a crono or filtro to an espresso grinder and change out the burrs I don’t think you will be disappointed. The only thing I will say is that I was told by one of the US retailers of the Eureka grinders that the espresso grinder motors are heavy duty compared to the brew grinders because there’s quite a bit more stress put on them. Take that for what it’s worth.
Interesting, I didn't use the filter burrs long. Just a little while waiting on the espresso burrs to arrive. I wouldn't doubt they aren't as consistent; they are quite a different profile. As I mention, I got a lot of popcorning with them, and that would lend itself to more grind variation.
I would need to see the motor difference to believe it. I can't think of any reason that grinding for espresso would put a substantial amount of stress on the motor that a filter grind wouldn't face. Plus, the motor in the Crono is huge, considering the work it has to do. That said, I haven't actually examined them myself, so it's possible that they are different.
@@TechDregs Maybe i could break each one down of Christmas break to see if there's a difference in the motors.
Source for Espresso burrs?
@@rickburgess1272 Got mine off of Amazon.
So, i bought a filtro... The cheapest one on this list. Have tried both the filter and espresso burrs. I have to say that the filter burrs are the BEST DEAL IN ESPRESSO. I can't believe this thing isn't talked about more.
How lol its a burr for drip coffee
@@diger4921 it's almost like the burrs do whatever they do and are branded for one or another... High uniformity burrs make higher clarity espresso that I enjoy.
@@andremagnani lol i just bought a 2. Hand and it got espresso burrs. I didint know the burrs before i bought it. Should i change it with the other one?
Hi, thanks for this very interesting comparision. I was curious about the price difference between filter and espresso versions. Surprised you did not include the Facile. It is essentially the Silencio without the timer function. It retails for $399 in the US and is currently selling for $350 on Amazon and WLL. I just ordered one and cannot wait to pair it up with my GCP.
The Facile isn't a general model; I think it's only available from one retailer.
Nice video. Glad others are looking into these items. Your voice is familiar. Do you also do World According To Briggs?
Ha, no, not me. Interesting channel though.
Would going for the Mignon Filtro with an extra set of espresso burrs for 230$ total good for a Sage Bambino ? Or should I just go with the Silenzio for 330 ? Thanks for this amazing vid, everything is so much clearer with this big lineup of Eurekas.
If it's my money? I'd probably get the Filtro. It won't have a timer, but the timers aren't super useful if you're single dosing. It won't have a portafilter fork, but you can add one. It will probably be slightly louder, but still not that loud.
@@TechDregs Yes exactly right ? :o I'm just a beginner at this, all I want is a good coffee grinder to start with, I don't really need the other bells and whistles the other models have so I might start with the filtro for 220$ since it seems the rest of the lineup of 50mm burrs are just the exact same anyways so the quality of my ground beans would be the same and that's mostly what matters. Thank you again for making this so lineup so crystal clear ! :)
@@TechDregs Does the Filtro still have a button to press with the portafilter (or the grind catcher), or just the button on the side of the housing?
@@andras888 I'm not 100% sure, but I think it just has the button on the side. From the photos/videos, it still has the membrane for the button on the front, but I think it's non-functional.
It's really not worth it for sound dampening alone.
I purchased crono with filtro pro burrs. It was slow for espresso. Filtro burrs have less sharper burrs so it takes time to catch beans into burrs. I replaced these burrs with standart sharp espresso burrs. I also did alignment. It is faster now. However I feel the taste of espresso was richer with filtro pro burrs before. I don't know if anyone experienced same?
Could be the offer a different distribution of grind particles. Each burrset is going to vary a little in how uniformly it grinds, and that can change what you're tasting.
Thanks for mentioning the speed, I feel the difference in taste due to might not be significant enough for me to justify. I’ll use the crono burrs until I need to change them!
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Thanks for the video, it was very helpful and well structured. I live in Spain and had the same thoughts about the only difference being the burrs. I am currently deciding between the mignon zero and the mignon zero brew with the espresso burrs change.
Do you know what is the easy setting technology they advertise only in the brew model? I am worried it actually changes the adjustment range.
I think it's literally just markings they put on the knob to tell you where different coffee types should be ground. Like... "here's espresso range, here's drip range, here's turkish range". I'm not 100% sure, but everything online I see about it suggests it's just how they label the knob.
Thanks again, @@TechDregs . The Eureka lineup is quite confusing, but your review is the best and most honest I have found. Seeing the retention you are getting I may as well opt for the Crono to have the timer, it could be useful for pulling consecutive shots on my Cafelat Robot when friends are over. You have a nice channel, I wish you the best.
Great comprehensive video! I know you're showing a Crono here but do you know if there is a push button in the front of the Filtro (similar to the Manuele/Notte) or is the side button the only way to turn it on?
Someone else can probably confirm, but I believe the Filtro just has the button on the side. The button it has on the front is non-functional IIRC.
@@TechDregs yeah I think you’re right looking at the photos the button does look different. Thanks
Really well made video explaining clearly what I wanted to know. Kudos. 😀
How does the Eureka Mignon Facile compared to those models you were talking about?
What if you don't have a 3D printer and you want that bean loader bellows combination?
The Facile looks like they took the Silenzio and removed the timer. If you want a single dose bellows... maybe try Etsy or Amazon, or search the internet for other retailers. Usually, you can find them made of silicone for $20-40 depending on where you get them.
@@TechDregs thanks for your response. 😃
Where's a good place in North America to get the Filtro Silent model you were talking about?
The silenzio? I don't really know much about the vendor options. Probably just go with one that seems reputable. I don't think there's huge variation in pricing.
The pricing I have access to: 147 for Filtro, 172 for Crono, 197 for Mignon Manuale. What would you chooose for espresso?
Between those three, if you are doing espresso, it's probably easiest to get the Manuale. It's essentially the Filtro with espresso burrs. But the burrs probably cost $30 anyway, and it also comes with a portafilter fork. The Chrono is essentially the Filtro with a timer, but if you single dose, the timer isn't super useful.
How would this function as a multi-purpose grinder? I brew drip almost daily and recently got an entry level espresso machine. Crono looks great but I'm not sure about going back and forth between the two settings.
Yeah, it probably would be tough if you're using it for two different machines that need different grinds. The dial does have marks for reference, but depending on how far of an adjustment you need to make, the dial spins more than one rotation, so that might be tough to keep track of. Because then you'd nee to remember something like "ok, it's 2 full turns and then back to setting 5" or something.
@@TechDregs yeah, I think I can live with that when the alternative is spending a few hundred bucks more. One more question though, how does the button work with the timer? For example, does it stop grinding when there is still time to go? Like, can I use it as a start/stop switch without adjusting the timer?
Btw,I don't know if you're aware of this but I saw some posts on Reddit that suggested adding auto insulation material inside the casing, claiming a few decibels decrease in the noise levels.
Cheers
@@efeyamacyarbas8658 Hadn't seen the insulation bit, but IMO... I doubt it's worth it. Maybe... but I think most of the noise is coming from the actual grinding, not the motor or case resonance. Anyway, the timer on the Crono is not interruptible. Once it starts, the machine will run, and pushing the start/stop button again won't do anything. I do wish they would change that, but that's how it works. So, you push the button, it's going to run for the set time unless you turn off the master power switch. The start/stop button won't do anything after it starts running.
@Tech Dregs can you please share 3d prind models? You saved me 100 Euro so Thx allot!
They now make a filtro silent
Good video, great job! would the espresso burrs also make good drip coffee?
I've never actually tried, since I don't do drip coffee, but I'm sure they would be fine. The filter burrs did fine making espresso, after all.
Excellent and informative video. Do you have the links where I could find the stl files for 3D printing? Best regards.
I redid my own design, but here's what I based mine on:
www.thingiverse.com/thing:4875572
www.thingiverse.com/thing:4703218
@@TechDregs Thank you! Much appreciated.
@@TechDregsDo you have the files for your redesign available to share :) thanks for the awesome video btw, super helpful. I'm looking to get a grinder just for pour over and aeropress with the occasional mokka pot but this was still really helpful
Nice 👍🏼
You might want to replace the burrs on the $200 Filtro with espresso burrs, but the replacement burrs for the Notte that you would need to buy to fit the Filtro may cost more than the extra $130 cost for a $330 Notte. 🤔 ☕ 😃
I'm not sure what you mean. They all use the same 50mm burr pattern. The espresso burrs to fit the Filtro cost about $30-40 depending on where you want to buy them.
@@TechDregs Saving $90 and more, thanks.
50mm OEM Burrs for Eureka Mignon, Simonelli Grinta, MCI, MCF Coffee Grinders $30.
Thanks for the video ! I accidentally bought a mignon zero brew, do you reckon it is as simple as changing just the espresso burr set for it to become a mignon zero. (It seems like all the specs in the zero line up is quite identical)
I think they are both 55mm burrs, so they burrs should be interchangeable between them.
Hey, thank you for the great video! I don't know if it's new, but I guess Filtro and Crono has 260W motor power and not 310W. Do you think this would be a problem for switching to espresso burrs?
Eureka's website still has them listed as 310w. It's possible that the vendor's website is just incorrect. I found lots of different numbers reported, but mine pulled 290w from the wall, so I believe the 310w is the accurate number. True watts can depend on the voltage of electrical service in your area.
@@TechDregs hmm I see. I e-mailed Eureka to see if they actually have a 260W model, thanks!
Is it possible to make a filtro into a crono?
The only real difference is the auto timer. I think you'd probably need a difference control board, and IMO, it wouldn't be worth it.
Hello, thank younso much for the detailed video. I have a question, after youbchange the burrs to espresso burrs, can youbstill grind for drip/pour over/drip coffee?
Thanks!!
I don't do drip coffee, but it would certainly be able to grind coarse enough for it with either set of burrs.
Does the filtro with espresso burrs have more retention than the manuale/notte?
I don't have those to test, but they are basically the same thing, mechanically, so I would presume that there would be no difference if you use the same burrs.
Hello my friend i was looking this video to clear my head up because of eureka plays with marketing , i wan to ask you if filtro is good for making espresso shots instent of crono or manuale
and can i use 55mm burst ?
The Filtro/Crono/Manuale are all 50mm burr grinders. The Manuale is basically the Filtro, but it comes already set up for espresso, with the espresso burrs and a portafilter fork instead of a grind bin. The Filtro and the Crono only differ in the fact that the Crono has a timer. The Manuale, like the Filtro, does not have a timer.
@@TechDregs So its good too make an espresso out of the box directly with his own burrs or i should buy the espresso burrs as you said on the video , thanks for replying.
@@FFCpower For the Filtro? It will work fine out of the box, but it might work better if you get the espresso burr set for it. But it's not a gigantic difference.
@@TechDregs Alright thanks for fast response great video ! Thanks a lot
has anyone tried putting the 55mm specialita burs in?
Won't fit, because the bottom burr carrier has a crown around it. Perhaps there's a replacement lower burr carrier that could be swapped, as I think the grinding chamber itself is just big enough to accommodate 55m burrs.
@TechDregs what about the lower carrier from the specialita?
What grind setting do we have to use on croon/filtro to be used in espresso range?
It depends on too many things to say. It'll be down within probably half or quarter of a turn of your burrs touching, I would guess.
Hello, is it possible to single dose on the Crono?? Please lmk, thanks
Sure, but I recommend getting a silicone bellows for it off of Amazon if you're going to do that. It drastically lowers retention.
I heard that the Filtro/Chrono have a different pitch for the adjustment knob so not as easy to fine-adjust as the notte? Can anyone confirm?
I hadn't heard that. I know that some people 3D print larger knobs to make fine adjustment a little easier.
Where can I buy the espresso burrs from? Am based in South East Asia.
Hmmm... Maybe someone else will know. I have no knowledge of most markets outside of the US and occasionally Europe.
can you link to your CAD file? for the 3D-printed hopper
www.thingiverse.com/thing:4703218
can I paint black surface to chrome color like original one ?
I think you'd have a very difficult time getting a good finish. It's plastic, so you might also have adhesion issues.
Would not buy a 50mm Eureka Mignon anymore. (no way to upgrade to high end burrs) The specialita can be get for as low as 350$ when sellers got it discounted. It's a shame the Mignon Barista is not available anymore.(cheapest 55mm Mignon)
That would be a fantastic deal. I don't see the Specialita anywhere under $650 or so on a normal basis. So, that would be a huge discount. I'm not sure if I would think the 55mm burrs would be much better... but yeah, it it was that small of a price difference, I'd probably get the Specialita.
@@TechDregs Yeah I see US prices are rly blown. Here in Europe you get them much cheaper. There is a new 55mm Mignon out there now. The Mignon Zero. Comes with single dose hopper but thankfully without display.(not needed anyway). It should be available for 350$ soon.(300€ in Europe) Chiscoffee already has it for 450$ which sadly is very blown.
The 55mm burrs are around 20% bigger than the 50mm ones.(2*r*π) I know 5mm does not sound much but it rly makes a huge different, especially the upgraded ones. Also the diamond burrs produce much more consistent coffee powder.
The 55mm burrs actually have around 33% more surface area (presuming they have the same 30mm mounting hole in the middle). However, that should really only contribute extra grinding speed... I think the quality of the grind is more to do with the geometry of the burr itself. Speed isn't a big concern for me though, as this grinder goes plenty fast for me. I'm not sure shaving 5 seconds or so off the grind time would make any difference to me.
The bigger burrs will also have a faster interface ("surface speed") at the outside edge, since they have the same motor RPM, but IDK if that makes much difference. I am curious why Italmill or SSP don't sell upgraded burrs for these things... there are a lot of them out there, and if the diamond burrs are the improvement you say, I bet a lot of people might be interested in something like that. Heck, obviously the DF64 people are all about that... why not for the Mignon?
The Zero is still $500 here ($450 is for an open box/used one). I guess Eureka is eventually going to realize that they are competing against themself with their lineup, and differentiate their models more, or something.
@@Squilliam-Fancyson the zero is going for 500+ and has bad reviews on the experimental new deisgn. Crono is the best option for the price.
@@afranzen Yeah Eureka rly rips off their oversea customers. After all these are very simple machines with huge margins. Go for Caedo if you could afford it. Those grinders are at least undestructible and build for decades to last.
this guy can find the needle in the haystack
So basically buy a kitchen aid.
Is it possible to retrofit 55mm burrs on the Notte?
I don't know, but I suspect it wouldn't be easy if at all possible. The burr carrier itself would also need to be changed.