My favourite bit of old timey surgeon trivia, is the most fatal surgery. Amputations were common and the key to their success was speed. The total time of this surgery was 13 seconds, the surgeon cut the leg with such speed, he cut off his assistants fingers. Later both assistant and patient passed away from infection. This was being observed, one of the observers died from a heart attack while watching. So the surgery was 300% fatal.
I've been preaching forever how good the Chirurgeon Alchemist is- glad I've got at least one soul who gets it. Loving your videos as always, keep up the good work!
What in this video made you think they are good? All this video has shown is that they are worse than Clerics even if they dedicate 100% of their action economy to healing, while Clerics also have a dozen other tools they can use.
I attend an event called pennsic and we call our medical staff, on site, chirurgeon. The popular pronunciation for this word is Ki (like kite) ur (like urn) geon (like surgeon) ki-ur-geon. Rolls off the tongue a lot better 🙂. Love this show. Totally needs more of a following.
Here's a tip for chirurgeon's that worked for me; get the wizard or witch dedication and the extra familiar abilities which can include an extra reagent, independent, valet, increased movement, manual dex, etc. Most familiar abilities can be switched around every day as needed. There is also a handy 1st level spell called thoughtful gift which is perfect for ranged alchemy buffs and restoratives. Also, feed those combat mutagens to your party. They can make a huge difference. And poison their weapons, potential extra damage at the start of a fight means it ends sooner and they don't need to be healed as much. Alchemists rule!
You forgot one of the most important aspects when comparing alchemist items to spells, they are items, you can give them to your team and everyone has the capacity to use them. Give the bombs to a ranger (better dex), and give some of the elixirs to the frontlines before the battle, swashbucklers have a free hand to use them and still hit ppl with a third action
Only in theory though. In reality everyone will forget to use the items you gave them and you’ll just have a sad pile of items that you would’ve rather saved the reagents for something else.
Id like to note starting at level one a chirurgeon can actually make 3 elixirs of life instead of having to wait til lvl 5 since its on their signature list mentioned in the research field. thanks to the errata buff alchemists received prior to the second printing of the crb. Great video though, keep it up!!
Hey, you are right. I didn't notice that. In reading that, it kind of raises the question of why you would stow anything. Why not just wear ALL your gear and have access to it with a single action.
@@LegendaryCMD not saying that I like their removal, in my games I tend to keep them included. They removed them because it seemed to be too much to keep track of, but on vtt's that's not really an issue and up to this day I've been playing PF2 exclusively on vtt
@@LegendaryCMD It is simply assumed something like alchemist bombs would be kept in easy to reach pockets. And while bandoliers are gone if you notice clothing still specifies a limit of how much can be kept 'ready reach' For example you can't wear bulky healers tools on fine clothing. Clothing (Fine) Source Core Rulebook pg. 287 2.0 Price 2 gp Bulk L Fine clothing, suitable for a noble or royal, is made with expensive fabrics, precious metals, and intricate patterns. You can wear only one tool set of light Bulk with fine clothing, instead of the normal limit of 2 Bulk.
I would be really tempted to get Enduring Alchemy to use Combined EoL more often. Also Cognitive Mutagen can make the Chirurgeon better at Crafting or Serene Mutagen at Medicine (I think it’s worth using Serene Mutagen and using Medicine instead of Crafting at some levels, depending on your WIS).
Given that alchemists get a boost to their intelligence and you don't need to take medicine anymore with the new errata I'd just grab the cognitive mutagen
There's something very important that you forgot: Mutagens. They make Alchemists better at skills than any other Class. Take a look at Serene Mutagen and Cognitive Mutagen. Also as you need to get close to your allies to administer EoL, you can drink a Drakeheart Mutagen (it emulates heavy armor) and you can also give your allies Juggernaut Mutagen, which will give them temp HP so you won't even need to heal them that much. And don't forget the Mistform Elixir, it's nuts.
Another great video! I do think you missed one important tip, however. At morning prep, the alchemist can equipment their whole team with one or two elixirs each. This saves you action economy because you will not need to run up to them. Also, if you go down, your party can still heal themselves (or you). Unlike the cleric, you can provide healing when you are not even there. Also, think of how much money the party saves with you on their team. Money is a very powerful weapon. Your fighter can just spend money on weapons and not worry about those consumables.
Hey!! GID, good to see you. Great things there. A party with a cleric AND a chirurgeon would be awesome!! This was another video I kept reworking and each time adding different things and taking things out. Actually would have liked one more crack at this one to organize it a little better and pronounce chiurgeon properly. Hope all is good with you!
Something that a lot of people have missed since it came out a bit later, but there's a barbarian subclass that hates magic right? So they won't accept magical healing, but alchemical healing? A-OK. Even better, there are all sorts of ways people screw with magic users. But an Alchemist gets around it entirely and even better there are some places with a stigma against magic use of some kind but there isn't a single place that turns their nose up against a good bit of medicine.
I'm playing a forensic medicine investigator in one game. Coupled with the medic dedication, it's crazy how good he is at healing. The two synergize super well, I can battle medicine once per hour per target, and they get bonus healing for it from the methodology. Stratagem works nicely into it too, since you can assess a situation and then use that to decide whether to strike or to ignore them and heal your teammate.
It's not going to be as good as the Chirurgeon at the healing aspect, but that should be fine because you will have studied strike to deal a lot more damage.
Um, "Chirurgeon" has a greek etymology, which means that it should be said as "Kee-rur-jay-ohn". In latin and greek based languages, unlike celtic and slavic languages, "ch" is a hard C, not a soft C.
Where were you when I was making this thing!! Here i thought I was doing pretty good...meanwhile I mispronounced it 50 times in there. Really appreciate that info!!
Thanks for this vid! I had been seeing talk about Chiurgens being one of the lower subclasses so this makes me feel better about them! Do you happen to have any info on how many Elixers (and bombs and potions) you can wear? I started looking for info and found the bandolier (which lets you wear tools or 10 potions), but then saw there’s was an officially errata to help with having to buy things like bandoliers and pouches and all that that simplifies “wear capacity to be 2 Bulk (of your carrying capacity) of tools. Does that count for potions? Or is that strictly for things like alchemist and healers tools?
Darn, so what I am taking from this is that my 4th level Chirurgeon is going to be really underwhelming in this one shot we are doing =( *Sigh* It's a hard one shot too so I feel railroaded into going something meta and it makes me sad.
Instead of giving your familiar the valet ability, I prefer giving them the independent and manual dexterity abilities, and having them start off each combat holding two Elixirs of life in their hands. This way, each turn (for up to two turns) the Familiar can hand you one elixir of life without you needing to spend an action to command it (you can still spend one of your own actions to grab a second elixir instead of commanding your familiar). And any turn you don't need an elixir, the familiar can spend their action to refill their hands with elixirs up to their max of two held at once (two hands). If your familiar is out of elixirs and you have an extra action to spend, command them to grab two Elixirs instead of one for the upcoming turns. This familiar could also start the combat on one of your allies instead of you, and act as two 'free action' heals throughout the combat. More if they carry extra Elixirs strapped to their body.
It takes an action for you to accept an item into your hand unless something specifies otherwise. However, you don't need manual dexterity for this--you can instead take valet still. Valet specifies that if your familiar has a unique number of action (e.g. 1 or 3) it can instead transfer that many items as normal. Manual dexterity's only needed to operate things (though familiars can't activate items). So like opening a door or lever, etc. Familiars explicitly cannot activate alchemical items, so they can't administer them to allies either. Valet + independent allows you familiar to just hand something off to you once per turn in this exact matter, or you can command it to do so twice on your turn.
@@Zedrinbot Thanks for clarifying it takes an action to accept an item into your hand. I hadn't noticed that before. As for Valet + Independent, I don't think that will work (at least by RAW). Valet specifies that your familiar needs to be commanded. I imagine the different number of actions section is more there for future proofing rather than to indicate that independent works with it. A GM could easily house-rule it to work though. (Also, I love your work. You put so much effort into it
@@Zedrinbot Also, where does it say that Familiars cannot activate alchemical items? I don't believe I saw that before. I've seen people say that Familiars can't activate items because they are animals, but the section on Familiars states that they become "something more" than animals. It would also be strange for some non-animal familiars to be able to activate Alchemical items (like Leshy Familiars for Druids, Alchemical Familiars for Alchemists, or object Familiars for one patron of the Witch class.) , While other familiars can't activate items because they are 'animals'.
@@rylandrc On note of command, if getting into the nitty gritty, it gets vague. Independent specifies the Command an Animal action as the exclusion, but you still get to typically decide how the familiar acts. The use of (lowercase) command seems to be more descriptive than a prerequisite. When I was mulling over how to solve the horrendous action economy of an alchemist (especially at low level), a friend of mine asked the question on it over in the pathfinder server a few months ago and got the response that independent and valet do work, though no idea if it was from one of the designers or just another player. It's certainly not game breaking with how kneecapped alchemists are by action economy / item juggling. (also thamk)
@@rylandrc basically, "Other items may qualify, at the GM’s discretion, but an animal can never Activate an Item." (CRB 604) Assuming familiars count for animals, which it seems to imply. Familiars actually need a huge load of errata cause the wording consistency with them is very sloppy by Paizo's standards.
A good Chirugeon probably wants to keep their hands free to patch up their patients...or at least one hand free so you can use your healer's tools. I guess I would lean into bombs. It's your only martial weapon that you have proficiency with. Hopefully you can spare a few reagents each day to make a few bombs or you could also purchase some lower level bombs for a reasonable amount. Put your intelligence at 18, put your dexterity at 16 and your strength and constitution at 12, and you can slap on a chain shirt or studded leather and have your AC maxed out right at first level. You will also have as good an attack chance as you can get with your bombs. Grab the first level feat quick bomber somehow and you are drawing and chucking as a single action. Now...if you hate that idea, maybe dabble in the mutagens and make unarmed attacks. Put strength at 16 and dex and con at 12, slap on some hide armor, drink a mutagen before the fight and let it rip!! hope that helps, have a great day!!!!!
I will be screen capping this. I did not expect a response from Captain crunch himself. I hope you were enjoying the newfound resurgence in interest in your channel. I look forward to more content. Could you do a strength based rogue build as a ruffian?
Because the Bomber won't have nearly enough Reagents to supply the party. Also Crafting instead Medicine is really good, specially with Mutagens helping. Greater Field Discovery is also really good for Chirurgeons
@@lincr.1988 true but if talking spending most of your regent on healing just do that but with bomber I can also pick up the cc admixture to help out more I'm combat during turns. Don't need to heal
@@THEdeadlynightshade1646 I know, what I'm saying is that Chirurgeon is a full healer, he can spend everything he has on support while Bomber spends the majority of his Reagents on bombs. Also Bomber needs to keep Quicksilver on whole Chirurgeon can have Serene or Cognitive on instead - which helps a lot. Bombers will hardly develop Medicine (you can of course) but for synergy with Quicksilver they're better off with Dexterity skills
@@lincr.1988 not going to lie never even come to mind to not take medicine since with assurance it's basically free and as I said if you go full elixir of life I would have 1/3 as many as you while also having the ability to make those tiny bombs for cc rather then damage (or target weaknesses I guess)
@@THEdeadlynightshade1646 Really? Wow! I always start the game with Wis 10 so Medicine for me doesn't work, besides we already have a healer so I rather leveling Dex based skills since I'm with Quicksilver on all the time
I keep threatening to play the party healer for my group - via Chiurgeon. Or as I like to call it, "The Medieval Dentist." For some reason, no one wants me to play that character... Yet another fun video, Crunch!
What should have happened was allow Crafting to replace Medicine permanently. Otherwise you're basically leveling a Medicine skill for no benefit. This is a huge bonehead move on Paizo's part.
Wtf is google saying, man. Chirurgeon is a 100% Greek word. Χείρα, Chira, means hand. Ουργος, Urgos, is a suffix meaning maker (it derives from the Greek word έργον, ergon, which means creation). These two create the Greek word Χειρουργός, Chirourgos, which translates in modern English as surgeon. The ch in chirourgos is pronounced as you'd pronounce the j in Jorge in Spanish. So this is the correct pronunciation, at least the closest to the Greek pronunciation. But the French pronounce ch as a thick s, and that (along with deleting two syllables) is why you ended up saying "surgeon" in modern English. TLDR: Chirurgeon is (or at least should be) the correct way of saying surgeon, and it's a Greek word.
@@LegendaryCMD The compound is a Greek word. There is a whole family of compound words in Greek that end in -ουργος, usually (but not only) associated with a craft.
My favourite bit of old timey surgeon trivia, is the most fatal surgery. Amputations were common and the key to their success was speed. The total time of this surgery was 13 seconds, the surgeon cut the leg with such speed, he cut off his assistants fingers. Later both assistant and patient passed away from infection. This was being observed, one of the observers died from a heart attack while watching. So the surgery was 300% fatal.
I've been preaching forever how good the Chirurgeon Alchemist is- glad I've got at least one soul who gets it. Loving your videos as always, keep up the good work!
What in this video made you think they are good? All this video has shown is that they are worse than Clerics even if they dedicate 100% of their action economy to healing, while Clerics also have a dozen other tools they can use.
I attend an event called pennsic and we call our medical staff, on site, chirurgeon. The popular pronunciation for this word is Ki (like kite) ur (like urn) geon (like surgeon) ki-ur-geon. Rolls off the tongue a lot better 🙂. Love this show. Totally needs more of a following.
Yes. I like that pronunciation a lot. Wish I knew that before I did this.
Great breakdown. Wired subclass very well explained. Thanks!
These breakdowns are incredible. I know the vids take a while but I'm excited to see what your take is on the playtest classes.
Here's a tip for chirurgeon's that worked for me; get the wizard or witch dedication and the extra familiar abilities which can include an extra reagent, independent, valet, increased movement, manual dex, etc. Most familiar abilities can be switched around every day as needed. There is also a handy 1st level spell called thoughtful gift which is perfect for ranged alchemy buffs and restoratives. Also, feed those combat mutagens to your party. They can make a huge difference. And poison their weapons, potential extra damage at the start of a fight means it ends sooner and they don't need to be healed as much. Alchemists rule!
You forgot one of the most important aspects when comparing alchemist items to spells, they are items, you can give them to your team and everyone has the capacity to use them.
Give the bombs to a ranger (better dex), and give some of the elixirs to the frontlines before the battle, swashbucklers have a free hand to use them and still hit ppl with a third action
Agree 100%, but also dont forget that bombs are martial weapons now so just be careful who you give them too to huck.
after that, wait outside the dungeon, because your job is done and you are useless. lol
Only in theory though. In reality everyone will forget to use the items you gave them and you’ll just have a sad pile of items that you would’ve rather saved the reagents for something else.
@@Randomdudefromtheinternet yeah, if you're playing in a group that is not paying attention to the game, obviously it's going to be worse lol
Hi Chirurgeon got buffed recently by Paizo, now Craft works with Medicine Feats!
Great, now I can just link to this video instead of explaining how sweet the Chirurgeon is is my next video! Thanks!
another solid video! I hope we get to see a video on throwing weapons one day. Im struggling to make it viable.
Really solid insight into a difficult build!
Id like to note starting at level one a chirurgeon can actually make 3 elixirs of life instead of having to wait til lvl 5 since its on their signature list mentioned in the research field. thanks to the errata buff alchemists received prior to the second printing of the crb. Great video though, keep it up!!
I thought bandoliers were gone, didn't they remove all containers (except backpack and bags of holding) in the errata?
Hey, you are right. I didn't notice that. In reading that, it kind of raises the question of why you would stow anything. Why not just wear ALL your gear and have access to it with a single action.
@@LegendaryCMD not saying that I like their removal, in my games I tend to keep them included. They removed them because it seemed to be too much to keep track of, but on vtt's that's not really an issue and up to this day I've been playing PF2 exclusively on vtt
@@LegendaryCMD It is simply assumed something like alchemist bombs would be kept in easy to reach pockets. And while bandoliers are gone if you notice clothing still specifies a limit of how much can be kept 'ready reach' For example you can't wear bulky healers tools on fine clothing.
Clothing (Fine)
Source Core Rulebook pg. 287 2.0
Price 2 gp
Bulk L
Fine clothing, suitable for a noble or royal, is made with expensive fabrics, precious metals, and intricate patterns. You can wear only one tool set of light Bulk with fine clothing, instead of the normal limit of 2 Bulk.
I would be really tempted to get Enduring Alchemy to use Combined EoL more often. Also Cognitive Mutagen can make the Chirurgeon better at Crafting or Serene Mutagen at Medicine (I think it’s worth using Serene Mutagen and using Medicine instead of Crafting at some levels, depending on your WIS).
Given that alchemists get a boost to their intelligence and you don't need to take medicine anymore with the new errata I'd just grab the cognitive mutagen
There's something very important that you forgot: Mutagens. They make Alchemists better at skills than any other Class. Take a look at Serene Mutagen and Cognitive Mutagen.
Also as you need to get close to your allies to administer EoL, you can drink a Drakeheart Mutagen (it emulates heavy armor) and you can also give your allies Juggernaut Mutagen, which will give them temp HP so you won't even need to heal them that much. And don't forget the Mistform Elixir, it's nuts.
Great info. I like the temp hittys from the juggernaut a lot. Could help the tank out a lot to have a few of those ready to go.
Oh yeah! I've been waiting for that for a very long time!
Another great video!
I do think you missed one important tip, however. At morning prep, the alchemist can equipment their whole team with one or two elixirs each. This saves you action economy because you will not need to run up to them. Also, if you go down, your party can still heal themselves (or you). Unlike the cleric, you can provide healing when you are not even there.
Also, think of how much money the party saves with you on their team. Money is a very powerful weapon. Your fighter can just spend money on weapons and not worry about those consumables.
Hey!! GID, good to see you. Great things there. A party with a cleric AND a chirurgeon would be awesome!! This was another video I kept reworking and each time adding different things and taking things out. Actually would have liked one more crack at this one to organize it a little better and pronounce chiurgeon properly. Hope all is good with you!
@@LegendaryCMD I didn't know how to pronounce it either. And I've played one before. I just defaulted to saying apothecary. Lol
Something that a lot of people have missed since it came out a bit later, but there's a barbarian subclass that hates magic right? So they won't accept magical healing, but alchemical healing? A-OK. Even better, there are all sorts of ways people screw with magic users. But an Alchemist gets around it entirely and even better there are some places with a stigma against magic use of some kind but there isn't a single place that turns their nose up against a good bit of medicine.
I'd love to see what can be done with a medical investigator. Distressingly little, I suspect, but I love the idea of the subclass.
I’d like to second that, I’m really interested in the investigator.
I'm playing a forensic medicine investigator in one game. Coupled with the medic dedication, it's crazy how good he is at healing. The two synergize super well, I can battle medicine once per hour per target, and they get bonus healing for it from the methodology.
Stratagem works nicely into it too, since you can assess a situation and then use that to decide whether to strike or to ignore them and heal your teammate.
It's not going to be as good as the Chirurgeon at the healing aspect, but that should be fine because you will have studied strike to deal a lot more damage.
Um, "Chirurgeon" has a greek etymology, which means that it should be said as "Kee-rur-jay-ohn". In latin and greek based languages, unlike celtic and slavic languages, "ch" is a hard C, not a soft C.
Yep, for example in Italian chirurgo=surgeon so I found Crunch's pronunciation really funny
Where were you when I was making this thing!! Here i thought I was doing pretty good...meanwhile I mispronounced it 50 times in there. Really appreciate that info!!
Thanks for this vid! I had been seeing talk about Chiurgens being one of the lower subclasses so this makes me feel better about them! Do you happen to have any info on how many Elixers (and bombs and potions) you can wear? I started looking for info and found the bandolier (which lets you wear tools or 10 potions), but then saw there’s was an officially errata to help with having to buy things like bandoliers and pouches and all that that simplifies “wear capacity to be 2 Bulk (of your carrying capacity) of tools. Does that count for potions? Or is that strictly for things like alchemist and healers tools?
Darn, so what I am taking from this is that my 4th level Chirurgeon is going to be really underwhelming in this one shot we are doing =(
*Sigh* It's a hard one shot too so I feel railroaded into going something meta and it makes me sad.
Instead of giving your familiar the valet ability, I prefer giving them the independent and manual dexterity abilities, and having them start off each combat holding two Elixirs of life in their hands.
This way, each turn (for up to two turns) the Familiar can hand you one elixir of life without you needing to spend an action to command it (you can still spend one of your own actions to grab a second elixir instead of commanding your familiar). And any turn you don't need an elixir, the familiar can spend their action to refill their hands with elixirs up to their max of two held at once (two hands). If your familiar is out of elixirs and you have an extra action to spend, command them to grab two Elixirs instead of one for the upcoming turns.
This familiar could also start the combat on one of your allies instead of you, and act as two 'free action' heals throughout the combat. More if they carry extra Elixirs strapped to their body.
It takes an action for you to accept an item into your hand unless something specifies otherwise.
However, you don't need manual dexterity for this--you can instead take valet still. Valet specifies that if your familiar has a unique number of action (e.g. 1 or 3) it can instead transfer that many items as normal.
Manual dexterity's only needed to operate things (though familiars can't activate items). So like opening a door or lever, etc. Familiars explicitly cannot activate alchemical items, so they can't administer them to allies either.
Valet + independent allows you familiar to just hand something off to you once per turn in this exact matter, or you can command it to do so twice on your turn.
@@Zedrinbot Thanks for clarifying it takes an action to accept an item into your hand. I hadn't noticed that before.
As for Valet + Independent, I don't think that will work (at least by RAW). Valet specifies that your familiar needs to be commanded. I imagine the different number of actions section is more there for future proofing rather than to indicate that independent works with it. A GM could easily house-rule it to work though.
(Also, I love your work. You put so much effort into it
@@Zedrinbot Also, where does it say that Familiars cannot activate alchemical items? I don't believe I saw that before.
I've seen people say that Familiars can't activate items because they are animals, but the section on Familiars states that they become "something more" than animals. It would also be strange for some non-animal familiars to be able to activate Alchemical items (like Leshy Familiars for Druids, Alchemical Familiars for Alchemists, or object Familiars for one patron of the Witch class.) , While other familiars can't activate items because they are 'animals'.
@@rylandrc On note of command, if getting into the nitty gritty, it gets vague. Independent specifies the Command an Animal action as the exclusion, but you still get to typically decide how the familiar acts. The use of (lowercase) command seems to be more descriptive than a prerequisite.
When I was mulling over how to solve the horrendous action economy of an alchemist (especially at low level), a friend of mine asked the question on it over in the pathfinder server a few months ago and got the response that independent and valet do work, though no idea if it was from one of the designers or just another player.
It's certainly not game breaking with how kneecapped alchemists are by action economy / item juggling.
(also thamk)
@@rylandrc basically, "Other items may qualify, at the GM’s discretion, but an animal can never Activate an Item." (CRB 604)
Assuming familiars count for animals, which it seems to imply.
Familiars actually need a huge load of errata cause the wording consistency with them is very sloppy by Paizo's standards.
What armor and weapons would you suggest to round out the build?
A good Chirugeon probably wants to keep their hands free to patch up their patients...or at least one hand free so you can use your healer's tools. I guess I would lean into bombs. It's your only martial weapon that you have proficiency with. Hopefully you can spare a few reagents each day to make a few bombs or you could also purchase some lower level bombs for a reasonable amount. Put your intelligence at 18, put your dexterity at 16 and your strength and constitution at 12, and you can slap on a chain shirt or studded leather and have your AC maxed out right at first level. You will also have as good an attack chance as you can get with your bombs. Grab the first level feat quick bomber somehow and you are drawing and chucking as a single action. Now...if you hate that idea, maybe dabble in the mutagens and make unarmed attacks. Put strength at 16 and dex and con at 12, slap on some hide armor, drink a mutagen before the fight and let it rip!! hope that helps, have a great day!!!!!
I will be screen capping this. I did not expect a response from Captain crunch himself. I hope you were enjoying the newfound resurgence in interest in your channel. I look forward to more content. Could you do a strength based rogue build as a ruffian?
(1:12) It currently does allow you to qualify for such. Have fun with the Medic archetype :P
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So why not just be bomber and have healing as a backup? O.o
Because the Bomber won't have nearly enough Reagents to supply the party. Also Crafting instead Medicine is really good, specially with Mutagens helping. Greater Field Discovery is also really good for Chirurgeons
@@lincr.1988 true but if talking spending most of your regent on healing just do that but with bomber I can also pick up the cc admixture to help out more I'm combat during turns. Don't need to heal
@@THEdeadlynightshade1646 I know, what I'm saying is that Chirurgeon is a full healer, he can spend everything he has on support while Bomber spends the majority of his Reagents on bombs. Also Bomber needs to keep Quicksilver on whole Chirurgeon can have Serene or Cognitive on instead - which helps a lot.
Bombers will hardly develop Medicine (you can of course) but for synergy with Quicksilver they're better off with Dexterity skills
@@lincr.1988 not going to lie never even come to mind to not take medicine since with assurance it's basically free and as I said if you go full elixir of life I would have 1/3 as many as you while also having the ability to make those tiny bombs for cc rather then damage (or target weaknesses I guess)
@@THEdeadlynightshade1646 Really? Wow! I always start the game with Wis 10 so Medicine for me doesn't work, besides we already have a healer so I rather leveling Dex based skills since I'm with Quicksilver on all the time
I keep threatening to play the party healer for my group - via Chiurgeon.
Or as I like to call it, "The Medieval Dentist."
For some reason, no one wants me to play that character...
Yet another fun video, Crunch!
What are they so afraid of? :O
What should have happened was allow Crafting to replace Medicine permanently. Otherwise you're basically leveling a Medicine skill for no benefit. This is a huge bonehead move on Paizo's part.
Wtf is google saying, man. Chirurgeon is a 100% Greek word. Χείρα, Chira, means hand. Ουργος, Urgos, is a suffix meaning maker (it derives from the Greek word έργον, ergon, which means creation). These two create the Greek word Χειρουργός, Chirourgos, which translates in modern English as surgeon.
The ch in chirourgos is pronounced as you'd pronounce the j in Jorge in Spanish. So this is the correct pronunciation, at least the closest to the Greek pronunciation. But the French pronounce ch as a thick s, and that (along with deleting two syllables) is why you ended up saying "surgeon" in modern English.
TLDR: Chirurgeon is (or at least should be) the correct way of saying surgeon, and it's a Greek word.
Thanks for the info. Is the compound word chirurgeon a Greek word? Maybe Google thinks it's French because they are the ones that combined it.
@@LegendaryCMD The compound is a Greek word. There is a whole family of compound words in Greek that end in -ουργος, usually (but not only) associated with a craft.