The more mods I see - as much as I love several of the ideas and implementations, this being amongst my favourites - the more I marvel at how well LocalThunk balanced everything
To be fair, when you're making a mod, you're not trying to make it as balanced as possible or even necessarily fit in with the rest of the game, you're just trying to make something interesting and fun to try out. Plus, obvious ideas take up many of the slots of the base game, so modders have to make things that are more complicated, and thus, harder to balance.
@@dracoblizzard7944 But I'd argue that you should consider some semblance of balance if you are to ensure the longevity of your mod. In some old games I played (Sins of a Solar Empire, FTL), if the currently popular mod(s) are not balanced at all, especially for the former since it's multiplayer, they won't be as long-running as they are now. Granted Balatro isn't old enough for this to be considered, so we just wait.
Kind of a shame, these cards are so neat in that they're designed to be used mid blind to add some variety and focus to the playing part of balatro but that one busted joker rewards holding them and since they so often come in negative it rewards the boring hold every negative and win strat. But I really like them conceptually they do some interesting things
For those curious, since I saw it come up in the video, most mods so far seem perfectly compatible with the beta branch! I suspect it should stay that way until they make a more major update
You can run the mods with the beta, was just doing a few rounds tonight. Just re-run the "steamodded" injector and it runs great. Salt is absolutely busted with the new version of the Edition tags.
I think it is fine, I just think they didn't think about the combo with the voucher, otherwise as a rare it isn't tooo op, it would only combo hard with Perkeo, but then what doesn't
@@mathiassven Compare this to other xMult rare jokers (not Cavendish since banana is common and needs you to find another banana). The group of hand jokers can only give you mult on specific hand, and the strongest (x4) requires you to play 4 or 5 oak which is not trivial unless you tune your deck. License gives x3 if you have 16 enhancements. Hit the road requires discarded jacks, so it also tops at x3 without tuning. Baseball can give x5, but you need 4 other Uncommon jokers which is, well, uncommon. Even Campfire, one of the strongest Rares, needs you to cycle 8 consumables to reach x5 every ante, double that after the patch. This one gives you up to x5 for all hands by just gathering consumables, with no requirement to tune your deck nor restricting Joker choices, and the fact that Alch boosters put cards in your consumables instead of used directly like others doesn't help. This can even contend with some Legendaries, compare this with old Yorick, and consider the difference in difficulty between discarding 23 times and hoarding 4 consumables. It has 2 effects (which is already something Thunk would rather not do) and both are really strong. If it's just the mult it would have been pretty strong already.
I don't think the mult needs to be tuned down, I think it just needs to not give +2 consumables. If it didn't, it would give a max of x5 without negatives, x4 if you aren't relying on random voucher spawns at all, and x3 if you're playing a deck that doesn't start with 3 slots. There are only 2 real ways to get negative consumables in the mod: Perkeo and the voucher that gives negative Alchemy cards. I do think the spawn rate of negative Alchemy cards needs to be turned down, but even that still relies on getting the random spawn voucher in the first place.
I wonder if Catalyst Joker with a Perkeo engine to just get an obnoxious amount of Terras would have a healthy shot at getting to Ante 39. That's assuming multiple Terras can stack on a single Blind, anyway.
30:07 does that happen with tarot packs as well? If not I feel like this is an oversight from the mod's dev but I don't want them to change it XD (not even necessarily because it's broken but also because it adds depth)
Hypothetically with this mod and the joker set up. If you polychromed one of those aces and then played it solo to proc DNA, would the duplicated become permanent polychrome copies? Just a thought I had
The official Balatro Discord has a modding section where you can find most of the mods available for the game as well as more detailed installation instructions than I can give in the description.
would really appreciate if you could say what every card/jokers do. instead of skimming over them, especially if your webcam is covering them! as i've found myself pausing on descriptions to figure out what's going on.
@@Stickbug37 No, but it *is* mostly irrelevant, though, when you're going for the late game - you basically have to build for a single hand type, so anything else is just fluff.
He also doesn’t want to be too strong either , because he has a good mult engine going by getting additionally consumable cards , which increases the times mult
@@Phoenixmage50 I don't remember this video at all, and have no reason not to believe that you're entirely correct. But this is the internet, so I think the custom is that I have to say you're wrong anyway.
The more mods I see - as much as I love several of the ideas and implementations, this being amongst my favourites - the more I marvel at how well LocalThunk balanced everything
To be fair, when you're making a mod, you're not trying to make it as balanced as possible or even necessarily fit in with the rest of the game, you're just trying to make something interesting and fun to try out. Plus, obvious ideas take up many of the slots of the base game, so modders have to make things that are more complicated, and thus, harder to balance.
@@dracoblizzard7944 But I'd argue that you should consider some semblance of balance if you are to ensure the longevity of your mod. In some old games I played (Sins of a Solar Empire, FTL), if the currently popular mod(s) are not balanced at all, especially for the former since it's multiplayer, they won't be as long-running as they are now.
Granted Balatro isn't old enough for this to be considered, so we just wait.
I just run modded on my PC and stock on mobile
Kind of a shame, these cards are so neat in that they're designed to be used mid blind to add some variety and focus to the playing part of balatro but that one busted joker rewards holding them and since they so often come in negative it rewards the boring hold every negative and win strat. But I really like them conceptually they do some interesting things
in the intros it really feels like im being talked to by a helpful tutor, 10/10
thanks for playing our mods, roffle :D
I love that Uranus synergizes with pants
I liked the full metal alchemist reference by kali around the end
With Alchemy you managed to turn this video into gold! Well done!
The alchemy card that gives you negative eternal copies for one blind paired with perkeo blueprint is bonkers btw
For those curious, since I saw it come up in the video, most mods so far seem perfectly compatible with the beta branch! I suspect it should stay that way until they make a more major update
I wonder how the DNA copy effect interacts with temporary card effects like bismuth.
I was wondering the same thing. I suspect it would probably make permanent Polychromed cards
Yeah, this
In the beginning this is how I supposed Arcana cards work. So I did not use them my first 4-5 runs lol
Me and the boys playing poker: 12:46 14:18
You can run the mods with the beta, was just doing a few rounds tonight. Just re-run the "steamodded" injector and it runs great. Salt is absolutely busted with the new version of the Edition tags.
They have nerfed Catalyst Joker since this video came out. (Now +1 Slot, +[x0.5 Mult] per Consumable)
This is pretty much why.
3:58 square had a growth spurt
That was hella fun to watch. Hope to see more runs with this mod in the future when it gets more updates!
9:10 Uranus, you'd love to see it 💀
the shift to turning the spades to hearts and using that bloodstone would have gone hard
i would have dropped the pants for that XD
I guess we are on non alpha version tho
that joker that gave mult for consumables is far too strong haha, maybe .75 would be better or even .5
I think it is fine, I just think they didn't think about the combo with the voucher, otherwise as a rare it isn't tooo op, it would only combo hard with Perkeo, but then what doesn't
@@mathiassven yeah that's true, and the voucher seems like it gives like a 50% chance of negative which is also ridiculous
@@mathiassven Compare this to other xMult rare jokers (not Cavendish since banana is common and needs you to find another banana). The group of hand jokers can only give you mult on specific hand, and the strongest (x4) requires you to play 4 or 5 oak which is not trivial unless you tune your deck. License gives x3 if you have 16 enhancements. Hit the road requires discarded jacks, so it also tops at x3 without tuning. Baseball can give x5, but you need 4 other Uncommon jokers which is, well, uncommon. Even Campfire, one of the strongest Rares, needs you to cycle 8 consumables to reach x5 every ante, double that after the patch.
This one gives you up to x5 for all hands by just gathering consumables, with no requirement to tune your deck nor restricting Joker choices, and the fact that Alch boosters put cards in your consumables instead of used directly like others doesn't help. This can even contend with some Legendaries, compare this with old Yorick, and consider the difference in difficulty between discarding 23 times and hoarding 4 consumables.
It has 2 effects (which is already something Thunk would rather not do) and both are really strong. If it's just the mult it would have been pretty strong already.
I don't think the mult needs to be tuned down, I think it just needs to not give +2 consumables.
If it didn't, it would give a max of x5 without negatives, x4 if you aren't relying on random voucher spawns at all, and x3 if you're playing a deck that doesn't start with 3 slots. There are only 2 real ways to get negative consumables in the mod: Perkeo and the voucher that gives negative Alchemy cards. I do think the spawn rate of negative Alchemy cards needs to be turned down, but even that still relies on getting the random spawn voucher in the first place.
@@kabobawsome I also think not giving +2 slots would be the best way to balance this out.
I wonder if Catalyst Joker with a Perkeo engine to just get an obnoxious amount of Terras would have a healthy shot at getting to Ante 39. That's assuming multiple Terras can stack on a single Blind, anyway.
30:07 does that happen with tarot packs as well? If not I feel like this is an oversight from the mod's dev but I don't want them to change it XD (not even necessarily because it's broken but also because it adds depth)
full metal referrence half way through woke me up haha
32:29 Do you think he creates a negative Jimbo in your consumable slots?
I wonder if you dna a temp poly card if it makes permanent poly cards?
it does!
Hypothetically with this mod and the joker set up. If you polychromed one of those aces and then played it solo to proc DNA, would the duplicated become permanent polychrome copies? Just a thought I had
We need a multiplayer update, just imagine 4 people 1 boss and a ton of synergies 😍
why was square joker a rectangle. I was looking at it the whole time wondering what was wrong
Old patch of the game. Gold stake also got changed, the rent jokers didn't exist either
That mod is beautiful ^^
13:30 It wouldve been good so you can get over the cap for the alchemy cards
How do you mod balatro? No links in description to the mod itself or its creator/platform. This looks like a good time and id like to jump on it.
The official Balatro Discord has a modding section where you can find most of the mods available for the game as well as more detailed installation instructions than I can give in the description.
would really appreciate if you could say what every card/jokers do. instead of skimming over them, especially if your webcam is covering them! as i've found myself pausing on descriptions to figure out what's going on.
I genuinely am so annoyed that his cam always blocks out the effects so like the cards could do anything
Which 're those cards? 🥁
“Uranus is…. Nice.”
HUH
You should probably put what mod you're using in the description
Would DNA have given you some polychrome cards to keep from Bismuth?
According to other comments having tested it. Yes
I have a question. Why would one skip planets? Is it bad to get to many?
stops them from being your last used consumable for fool
@esotericCult ok so there's no max cap or you don't delevel another planet? Good to know
@@Stickbug37 No, but it *is* mostly irrelevant, though, when you're going for the late game - you basically have to build for a single hand type, so anything else is just fluff.
He also doesn’t want to be too strong either , because he has a good mult engine going by getting additionally consumable cards , which increases the times mult
Couldn't you bismuth the aces then DNA copy them to start getting hard copies in the deck then attempt to scale those?
According to other comments saying they tested it. Yes
17:43
September 9th, 2022
"don't need that spectral pack" imagine you just miss a perkeo that buff your other joker to the sky
Edit + spoil:
Nvm...
Uhh, yeah, I sure hope it does.
we need to cook mod
I'm mad that he never used Terra, but it's not like it would have helped anyway :/
I believe there was an alchemy card that reduced the blind by 10x. I didn't do the math so I'm not sure it would have helped.
10%, not 10x
@@Phoenixmage50 I don't remember this video at all, and have no reason not to believe that you're entirely correct.
But this is the internet, so I think the custom is that I have to say you're wrong anyway.
@@andscifiI saw 100x and my dad was the mod dev
14:13 😳
yeah you should uninstall the beta as these are patching the balatro lua archive (which is just a zip file of all the source code).
uranus
Wooo addiction!
ignis rougel ineage
gg
bruh why wouldn't they just call them Alchemy cards
I question why I'm so early