Mythology & Fiction Explained what happened to hec something that freed Zeus from his chains did he get like title or become his General or Bodyguard i mean that is The Strongest if he maniged do that and fear other bised Zeus
I like how Hades, the one everyone in media depicts as Zeus arch rival just dont seem to want any part of this Olympian drama " nope, not gettign involved, have my own things to do"
It’s funny cause there’s nowhere in the myths where Hades and Zeus are arch rivals, yet most people today see it that way haha. Heck, sometimes Hades was considered an aspect of Zeus, and was worshipped as Zeus Aidoneus (Coming from the Greek spelling of Hades) or Zeus Chthonios (Zeus of the Underworld)
@@fai-pe7oq in other translations and histories its kinda confirmed that Hades is stronger than all of his brothers, that amplified by the invincibility offered by his helmet made his just unbeatable
Hades is the type of guy to sit by his fireplace, with a pink dressing gown and pink fluffy slippers, Cerebus and a goblet of wine. Persephone is the type to smack a bitch up
Hades was the god that got screwed by Zeus. Since Hades was the first born son of Kronus he most likely would have became the head god but Zeus wanted to draw straws to see who ruled over what so Zeus got to be king of the skies, Posiden got to be king of the seas, and Hades stuck being king of the underworld.
@@kevindavis296 I mean in his defense, Hera was his older sister. Can you imagine how boring that would be, being told to be faithful to your own sister (Granted I'm not defending his methods, just some of his actions)
Alex Ramey Pretty sure no one killed anyone just Over threw and imprisoned and Zeus did on this day get over thrown by his children being the gods whom some are his direct children and full gods not half mortals
If Zeus broke that cycle and thwarted all attempts to overthrow his power that means that even if kraits existed in Greek mythology, this event would not take place
Zeus Z. Perez Kratos or Cratus does exist in Greek mythology. He’s the son of Styx and Pallas. His siblings are Nike and Zelos. Kratos is the the embodiment of strength
In fairness to Zeus and a point that never gets made is that Zeus does "dick" around with Hera's permission. One or two of the legends actually do express that and I suspect that is the case more often than not. Whenever there is sincere prayer and a hero is needed it is Hera who encourages and allow Zeus to share his "godly DNA" to create a hero to overcome the challenge. Zeus' demigod children are usually children of destiny and purpose. After encouraging Zeus Hera then hides and torment these women and children behind Zeus back while publicly she plays victim to his "infidelities". I came to this conclusion after reading and watching movies of as many versions of the life of Hercules as I could find along with reading other stories of women who bore children for Zeus. Hera wasn't even Zeus first choice for a wife, He was first married to Themis, a goddess of law and order, a goddess I consider a more fitting match for a God of lightning and Justice. I am not sure how Hera became his wife, but maybe she always had ambition to become ruler of the Olympians and becoming Zeus wife was the closest she could get to it. Being the wife of Zeus also perfectly positions her in a place if trust. I suspect she is, and quietly so, responsible for a lot of the chaos and discrediting amongst the gods of the greek pantheon and ultimately her desire is to dethrone Zeus is partially responsible for making this politheistic pantheon seem so petty, resulting in their loss of influence in the modern world.
It is said that those best fit to rule are the ones who never seek it out. Hades and Hestia. Of all the gods they are the only ones who NEVER abused humans. It's perfect Hestia looks after mortals while they're living and Hades watches over them when they die. If anything Hades should have been Hera's husband. Behind them should be Ares and Aphrodite because all is fair in Love and War.
True but don't forget that he used to be a god that was associated with death and rebirth and he used to be a god of death and madness (not the kind of death like reaping souls) I recommend you watch Overly Sarcastic Productions' video on him, :) Dionysus went though a SHIT TON of changes
Dionysus was a overtaker originally. And he is a conqueror of death, and rebirthed as a god. So no. He isn't as mellow as he seems. He is a son of Zeus after all.
I read Zeus was originally going to retire and give him the thrown but Hera wouldn't allow it. He was such a good wine maker they finally gave him his spot in olympia. However Hades was the oldest of the three brothers I think he deserves it, but Dionysus is a good second😇🍷
Does anyone find it funny that Athena wanted the throne, but apparently Ares didn't considering he didn't take part in the coup? You'd think he would be the first in line.
Cause Ares was loyal and respected his father. He never sought to challenge him or take what wasnt rightfully his (lol minus Aphrodite and a few other tales). He wasn't the jerk some made him out to be. Just scary and least liked by the Gods. Due to the chaos and calamity he'd bring with war. Athena of all deities shocked me in ways at first. Yet, then again not so much when you think about it and some of her unjustified actions. Kind of fits the narrative.
Yeah I thought so too. I remember hearing from somewhere about Ares that the reason Heras raised Ares to be a warrior was to hopefully overthrow Zeus and contine the cycle of kids overthrowing their fathers. But that went to waste when Ares lust for chaos of battles and bloodshed degusted the other gods. So they wouldn't want Ares to be king of the gods and he knew that consider that he ended up being beaten mostly by Athena a few times.
Athena punished Medusa for being raped by Poseidón (?) (Sorry if it is not written like that), that is pretty fucked up plus is she not the god of justice?
@@whosjoe267 I think it's one of those things that change from telling to telling. I always liked the one where Athena turns Medusa into a gorgon so that she would never be harmed by a man again. Though, that telling does make it complicated since Athena helped Perseus kill Medusa.
I vote Hestia. Precicely because she did not want the to be the ruler, she tells us that she knows what being a ruler entails: A heavy responsibility for all your followers. People follow rulers because they feel like they have better judgment. I think Hestia could deliver.
Don't force her to take the throne if she doesn't want to She may be a good leader in a sense, but she was also wise and knew that Zeus had something about him A balance Where Zeus has done some good things, along with all of the sex he's done and his bad temper She unstands that the only one fit to the rule is one who rules the sky, who was the one to fight cronus, who was the one who wouldn't cause chaos, as he gave freedom to the gods yet enforced things when needed Hades is a dictator Ares is a Blood Thristy Warlord Hera is also a bit forceful Dionysus is a partyier yet through that would cause ONLY chaos And everyone else has their Issues, even Athena Only Herculeus seems like a good boy to me but even he has issues, like how Hera wants to torment him forever and still most likely hates him with a passion
@@quinnholloway5400 Hades has been shown many a times to be wiser than his brothers and rational unlike his dickhead brothers. He has never abused humans always stayed loyal to his wife and generally is in no rush to abuse his powers. Dont know about you but id take him over his major cunt of a brother
@@MarvoloSalazar I couldn't have said it better! everyone thinks Hades is so horrible but he was a just and fair ruler. modern media is what has tarnished the reputation of Hades
So, you're telling me that while they had Zeus all chained up and was bickering among themselves, Zeus was freed from outside forces while no one was paying attention? That would have been a real "Oh crap. He's up" moment for all of them, hence the punishment. Gods and their games. Cracks me up. 😁 Awesome video. This was great insight into part of Zeus' story. Loved it.
well... I was told that Zeus did not do all the "bad" things willingly, but rather it was the lady of fate Ananke that forced him to do so. Although I see Zeus as spreading such tale to justify his own misbehaviour. In my opinion Zeus is not the strongest, but surely the fittest to rule, as Hades would be too strict a ruler, while Poseidon too temperamental. Zeus, no matter how morally reprehensible, has a forgiving side and prefers to discuss things at the table with some good Ambrosia rather than electrocute his problems to Hades.
@@TheRealBruhGod Zeus being the strongest depends on who you ask and at what time, because it can just as easily be claimed to be Athena, or his brothers, or some of the titans, etc.
I think most of the bad stories abt Athena were written abt her roman counterpart. Athena has the skill set to be a great ruler. Wisdom. Capable in battle. Smart. Strong.
Personally, I would want either Hestia, Athena or Hecate on the throne. All three vowed chastity, so there'd be no issues from sexual shenanigans. Also, they were all deemed to be wise and generally caring towards mortals.
@@vaggos013 If you think Athena is a good ruler, you should research on her former high priestess Medusa who was raped by Poseidon because she preferred to remain a virgin servant of Athena. Guess who gets punished, Medusa. Her fault? She was raped for being faithful to her patron.
Kishore Dhar If I understood right from the video if this channel, it may have to do with jelousy, but it was problemtic for her to punish a god, so she had to punish someone.
@@sharonefee1426 Even if she is jealous, she is the Goddess of Wisdom. What right did she have to punish an innocent woman? Surely she would know that Medusa was innocent. She served Athena faithfully.
@@bgf3640 zeus would have died fighting cronus if it wasn't for his brother's helping though. The only reason that zeus could free them was by happenstance that he was the youngest. Just because he helped free them like any good brother should doesn't mean he should rule on that basis alone. As that would equate to him hanging an event over them that they literally had no control over.
Heracles has the strength and intellect required to be a decent ruler but the problem is that he has anger issues and has caused quite a few problems from it so no, he would be a shit ruler tbh.
Like the hunter guy said he had anger issues soo much that he killed 2 of Ares sons and one of them was killed infront of Ares and if Ares wasn’t stoped you would say goodbye to ur Hercules (Ares is stronger than Hercules)
Personally I think the Titan Coeus would be a good leader of the universe. For one he's the Titan of Intellect. So for the most part he would make good decisions with an occasional bad decision thrown in. The only notable bad decision of his I could think of was that he sided with Cronus in the Titan War. In all fairness, however, If my little brother was about to be thrown in Tartarus I would try to protect him too. So I don't really blame Coeus for siding with Cronus for that reason. Coeus is also logical, so he would not get his emotions mixed up with his responsibilities unless the situation calls for it. It is also clear that Coeus isn't that bad and that he does care about the other Titans. For example when Coeus was in Tartarus, he tried to free his fellow Titans. The only obstacle that kept him for completing said task was Cerberus. That story also proves that Coeus is willing to take a leadership position if the situation calls for it. Also I just want Coeus to be leader of the universe because he's my favorite deity in all of Greek Mythology.
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I don't think he media had anything to do with it. The majority of these old world religions were fazed out by Catholicism when ceaear wanted the world united under one religion and the old pagan religions were demonized and went against the first commandment 'thou shalt not worship false idols'
I'd like Hades to take the throne, he's a stern yet chill guy. Also, think about it this way; if Hades were to take the throne it would be extremely symbolic of the saying "The meek shall inherit the earth" as he would be riding up from his relatively low position compared to the other gods and become the ruler of the highest point of existence, the Throne of Olympus itself. It would also make even more sense due to him being the oldest brother and traditionally the oldest son becomes the ruler. This would fix the situation to conform to that rule. Speaking of which, it kind of makes me wonder as to what would happen if none of the Olympians were eaten and it actually plays out more as a traditional inheritance. Just think of how that would change the myth's timeline!
Heres the thing Posiden Rules all of the Oceans While Technically because of where hell/hades is Hades owns a huge chuck if not most of the riches of the underground, so he kind of is already well off Why should he care about those morons up in Olympus Why do you think he didn't care about joining up with the rest of the gang in the 'KILL ZEUS PARTY!' Because he is a good brother, and a wise bro, and knows that running TWO kingdoms, he most likely wouldn't trust zeus with his home Would be a godly level of stress none of us can understand So thats why the brothers of Zeus refuse to take the throne, they are content
Quinn Holloway TBH it’s not entirely clear whether or not Hades took part in the coup against Zeus as mentioned in this video. Some versions say that literally *ALL* of the other gods (which technically would have included Hades) took part in the coup with the sole exception of Hestia. Others, however, more specifically say that all of the *Olympians* took part, in which case it would be safe to assume that Hades didn’t take part because he technically wasn’t usually considered an Olympian, mostly because he declined to take seat of power on Mount Olympus in favor of staying in the underworld and managing his kingdom there, only ever traveling to Olympus when summoned or when Personally I’m inclined to think the latter is more consistent with Hades’ character. Or if he DID take part in the coup, perhaps he did so not to try to take Zeus’ throne, but rather to teach his brother a lesson in humility.
First of all the first son thing doesn't work for hades because he was swallowed by their father cronos along with the rest siblings. Except for zeus who was saved by their mother and exchanged for a stone and grown outside still he came of age and freed his siblings. To me it was at that moment zeus became king of them all, because they looked up to him and of course he grew outside, he was more of the senior child now and than hades who was swallow and had so experience of the outside world or influence and then zeus lead them against their father and later won the battle. Secondly hades as ruler won't work because hades power comes from fear and if he was king he would make humanity tremble just to get more powerful, because if the human race is at peace he would be at his weakest and won't be able to defend his throne. His power is similar to ares who feeds on chaos
Even though I’m already familiar with most of the information in your Greek mythology videos, they are still a joy to watch. Great job, keep up the good work.
Fantastic video. 😁 Your story gave me new respect for this deity. Tell me, who were those that came from outside that Zeus trusted most yet rebelled against him after the Hera's coup?
@@manend2 Greek! I have been fascinated with Greek myths since elementary school. But I have dabbled in Some Norse, Celtic, Egyptian, Native American(Anything concerning Raven is the best!), Indian and Japanese lore as well. But I always go back to Greek myth, and I am a fan of Silver and Bronze age wonder Woman myself. =)
To be fair to Zeus, when you don't have a canon things can get wonky. The coup totally makes sense when you figure the gods got tired of Zeus mucking around and thought they themselves would be a better ruler, but then it doesn't if you read what ancient Greek Pagans say about Zeus and how the guy is fundamentally righteous.
Fundamentally Righteous? Zeus was literally the worst. such an evil wretched deity. all he did was trick women, then sleep with them against their will, murder his sons, sleep with his sisters, cheat on his wife, did Prometheus *dirty,* more murder, rape, and trickery. he literally only loved Athena and Heracles. now, Heracles was a *based* Sigma Male with Black Air Force Energy. but Athena also occasionally dabbled in fucking with humans. a favoured past time of Zeus. so fuck Zeus. and Athena. Prometheus also *based* Sigma Male with Black Air Force Energy. fuckin love that guy. plus he has the most admirable quality, and it's his namesake: Forethought. and he's got a loveable, dorky, little brother: Epimetheus.
I love the way you tell these lessor known stories from Greek mythology. I never knew of this attempted coup for the throne of Olympus. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Keep up the good work. 👍🏾
Where was hades during all this? Without his mother Zeus would be swallowed like his brothers and sisters. I feel at times he just got lucky. Can you cover some Egyptian mythology?
Considering the Hecatonchires were in his employ (they helped keep watch over some of Tartarus' nastier residents) Thetis probably had to get in touch with him to get the Hecatonchire. At which point I'm sure he said something along the lines of: "A WHAT just happened on Olympus? You've got to be kidding me."
@Travis Tucker Hades us that one anti-social accountant guy who looks out for the first time in a century, see's the crazy drama his family us in, and nopes right back to his basement for another century.
Zeus broke the cycle of leadership by giving his father Kronos, amnesty. He took him out of Tartaros and put him in Elysion. This was likely meant to symbolize Kronos being forgiven and bygones being bygones.
Some folks say Hades should have taken the throne because he was the eldest (or eldest male anyway), and some say Poseidon, because he was stronger and because the sea figured so powerfully in Greek life. But as you pointed out, Zeus was the one who actually freed them, Zeus took the necessary actions. Certainly he was a "man of action" in that way. (A little too much action, nyuk nyuk) Rightful, maybe not - but effective, yes. Not because of his powers, either, not even because of his winning personality necessarily. Because almost every one of the gods owed Zeus. They owed him their lives for various reasons, they owed him for favors done or judgments granted. Zeus' stature among the gods was very much like that of any of the Greek leaders that people would have known very well. The ancient world placed a huge amount of importance on loyalty and on paying back what you were given - be that positive or negative. "An eye for an eye" wasn't a Greek saying, but they definitely had echoes of that attitude in the way they did things. Some of the great philosophers were fond of forgiveness, but most of their myths don't include even a tiny speck of mercy. It simply didn't make sense, in their world, at that time: if someone betrayed or attacked you, you didn't turn the other cheek, you destroyed them so that they could not bring harm to you or your lands again. Therefore: the myths reinforced the attitudes that existed, justified and explained them as well. It's deeply interesting, though, that this myth doesn't even hint that Zeus considers destroying any of those who raised their hands against him in this coup. He punishes them - he doesn't subject them to punishments as severe as, say, Prometheus. And it's interesting, too, that Hera is shown here as having had enough, and taking action: with zero emphasis (in the original stories! not in some translations) on "she deserved to fail because women shouldn't disobey." Though that attitude did exist in Greek life - very rarely does that attitude get reflected in myths, even in this one where we might expect to see such. Zeus got to the top because of his wits and being able to keep folks (mostly) feeling grateful towards him. If he could have remained more faithful to his wife, maybe the coup wouldn't have happened at all, eh?
Zeus was in a position to free Poseidon and based cause his mother willed it to be so , she shows to protect Zeus over her other children and make sure he dethroned his father , had the choice been otherwise it might’ve been based or Poseidon who would’ve been the “man of action”
I know it's mythology, but yours was a thoughtful comment. I never liked Zeus and only tolerated his leadership because that just seemed the order of things. Only as an adult did I learn how he came to power and how he had to fight to retain it. You describe him with some sympathy, and I appreciate that. I still think his unborn son would be a better ruler, but where does the violence stop?
“Of it ain’t broke don’t fix it.” While I personally would have loved to have seen Hades take the throne I can’t deny that Zeus does a good job as ruler.
Dionisus should rule. Powerful enough to hold his own against other gods. Clever enough to earn Athenas respect. Mischevious enough to keep things fun.
I think Zeus was the rightful leader. According to the storied I’ve listened to from you, he had the most drive to get things done regardless of power. And having high drive will get you farther than any amount of natural born talent. Hard work will always win compared to lazy talent.
Hades should be the leader of Olympus, not because he's the oldest, not because he might be the strongest, but because he's the most level-headed out of all the gods, sans Hestia, and you've never heard of Hades having management problems in Hades have you? Plus think how fun it would be to hear about the Hades having to be the straight man to the rest of the gods, and sort out their dumb, divine problems.
You do realize Hades doesn't care about anyone other than himself and his wife, right? He doesn't even care about his worshippers or want to be worshipped. He might also be terrified of leaving the underworld.
Aphrodite, Athena, and Hera: Hades, which one of us is the prettiest?~ Hades (With a predictably tired and unamused face): "I don't care." Persephone: :)
@@l33t-haxor17 to be fair everyone fear him and plus he does focus on his job making sure the souls are in their place and pushed the wicked. Also he actually treat the dead kind well expected the Dam souls but his subject really fear him because he rule the underworld ( the living one)
Zeus was the god of hospitality and fate, his was the influence that kept structure through hospitality. He also brought wise council to the gods since his eyes were open to the future.
Thank you for making this video! This series is very helpful, as i am very interested in Greek mythology! Maybe, if you had not made a video about her yet, what about Hestia?
And unlike his man-whore brother, Hades didn't cheat on his wife. The only time I can think of when Hades brought another woman to his bed was to have a threesome with Persephone, and Persephone was totally into it. There would have been a whole lot less drama and crazy bullshit going around because the new ruling couple would have been way more stable.
In a one-on-one battle I would think Poseidon would win but when it comes to leadership is really hard to tell who would be the best. I think Zeus noticed that and I think that's why he split all the responsibilities with all the gods so they are more like a government type of rule. A government type that is very similar to the way the US works in its government. Zeus would be like the president who has a lot of power and has a final word. The Fates are kind of like the judicial branch. And all the gods together are like the Congress and Senate where they have to talk and make an agreement on certain issues to improve things. This is just what I think. Thank you and keep making great videos!!!!
If I recall...there was a point in the Iliad where Zeus sent Iris to Poseidon (who was helping the Greeks at the time) and warned him to disengage. Zeus via Iris told her to tell Poseidon if he refused he would take the fight to him directly. He (Zeus) warned Poseidon that he was his elder by birth and stronger. Poseidon initially responded defiantly to this until warned by Iris that the "avenging spirits" a.k.a. the Erinyes (the Furies) always attend (help) the elder born (Zeus). After that he backed down and fled the battle and returned to the sea. I also recall another incidence when Zeus rebuked all the other assembled god(s) with the statement that if he chose to remain seated no god in Olympus individually or combined could move him.
@@DevilfishFace actually you guys are kind of both right. The first phase was Zeus secretly slipping Cronus the potion that caused him to vomit up his siblings, but then there was a 10 (or 12 depending on who you ask) Year War against Cronus and his Titan brothers, in which Poseidon and Hades both played a large role. The Cyclops and Hecatonchires also played a large role in that war (the cyclops forged weapons for Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon as well).
IT IS a Triumvirate. "And the brothers divided the realm EQUALLY between them, Sly Hades the Underworld, Bold Poseidon the Oceans and Waters, and Brash Zeus the Heavens, with all three having a fair share of dominion over the Earth". Zeus is just an egotistical bastard who thinks HES the main god. Seriously read Poseidon/Hades centric myths, they are more, well, forth-telling than Zeus's myths
Well, let's see what we're working with here in terms of who would be a better ruler than Zeus. Poseidon is the most powerful participant and is the eldest born son of Kronos there, making him the supposed rightful heir, and he does have experience leading a kingdom with his own underwater domain.But like the sea, his mood could change at any moment, from being a kind cool and benevolent ruler, to a raging and fierce despot. Hera is the queen of Olympus by marriage and probably has more experience with ruling, but she can be petty and downright ruthless at times, as shown when she conceived Ares with the major intent on having him overcome Zeus(surprised he wasn't involved with this) or when she threw her hate conceived child Hephestus off of Olympus just because he looked ugly. Appolo doesn't really have much going for him in terms of him being a good choice for a ruler, he is just as petty, prideful, and arrogant as zeus himself. He has no experience being a ruler, he is more likely to play the lyre on the throne than watch over mankind and more than anything else, I believe he only wants to be king for the name alone not for the responsibility. Athena is an interesting choice , though she is the wisest among the Olympians and will probably make the right call for the greater good, I think it very likely she will use the throne to move humankind and her fellow gods like pieces on a chessboard. There is no emotion in it, no concern for how the others would feel about her decisions. Plus, though she may be the wisest, she has no experience ruling over a kingdom. Overall, the olympian revolt was doomed to fail. Because no matter who would replace Zeus, the outcome would not change because they are just as bad, if not worse than zeus himself. Plus, while Zeus is by no means a perfect ruler, he has done the most to secure Olympus as a kingdom for his realm. He released his siblings from Kronos 's stomach, he lead the gods in epic wars such as the titanomachy, gigantomachy, and the attack of Typhon to name a few and always came out on top. In fact, he was the only one to stand and face Typhon in combat while the others ran for their lives, he saved Olympus (with a little help) and the world while the rest of his godly kind cowered in fear. Most important of all, though he is an unfaithful husband and at times can be a petty self serving asshole, but both humanity and Olympus prospered under his rule and protection. Zeus, regrettably, is the right choice for the job.
I can just imagine the argument the four would be having whilst Zeus is restrained and listening to it all. *Hera:* Well, that's sorted. *heads to the throne room* *Poseidon:* Hey! Don't I get the throne? *Apollo:* Pffff, NO, I'm his son and heir, I GET THE THRONE! *Athena:* Stop arguing, that throne is mine and you know it. *Hera:* I'm his wife! *Apollo:* Son! *Poseidon:* Brother! *Athena:* Daughter! *Hecatoncries:* *BOOM* SUP CUPCAKES I'M 'ERE TO BREAK YA CHAINS! *Zeus:* Oooh you're really f-cked now.
I never heard this version about Briareus first breaking Zeus out. Every time I've heard this before Briareus shows up, and his mere presence scares them enough to call off the rebellion.
The one you are talking about is the version that appears in the Iliad and is, in fact, the only existing version. I haven't the faintest idea where people get their information from, but this is a very obscure myth that doesn't appear in any other ancient Greek work.
Athena is, was, and always will be among other mythology experts and fans the perfect example of an Olympian Leader. Almost every descision made by her was made not by a childish need or succumbing to her sentiments, but because she put a thought to it, unlike Zeus. She is the personification of practical thinking for Gods' sake. Also i always felt sad about the other olympians. They could never overthow Zeus not because he is the smartest but th STONGEST. That fact will never stop bother me cause it comes in contrast with the most Ancient Greek myths about heroes. Their point was to tell us that power was never too much for practicality and smartness.
I'd beg to differ on how she handled Medusa unjustly. Punish the loyal and faithful servant of yours. That cried out to you for aide. When her lustful and vengeful Uncle Poseidon raped her. As well as openly pursued her beforehand on multiple occasions. Athena did that all over jealousy of Medusa's beauty and cursed her. You'd think that'd be the case with Aphrodite or some other deity, not Athena. She's one of my favorites too but far from an angel/saint. She's proven to be just as manipulative on accounts even against feuds with Ares. I do think Hades had Zeus's number and would've been just as well as Apollo. Him and Athena were by far two the wisest.
@@dtill5322 the medusa Stroy has three diffent tales tho. The only unjust instance would be the arachne tale, and this one is a punishment for arachne insulting her father
@@joaniedallaire4352 she was mad because aphrodite cheated. She swayed Paris's decision by making agamemnon'wife fall in love with him in exchange for naming her the fairest
I agree with your observation about Zeus being the god fit to rule. My reason is that he (to me) felt the more balanced of the Deities. Poseidon always came across as pretty uninterested in things. Hades came across as a deep thinker, who was focused more on the small things, and tended to only bairly glance at the overall picture. The females tended to be shown pretty similar to both Poseidon or Hades. Possibly Athena could have ruled, but she came later, so was not around "at the beginning" (so to say).
Zeus is the right choice but I think Poseidon and Hades should have switch domains. Poseidon was scarier and prone to anger while Hades was more controlled and willing to help anyone who ask him nicely.
Poseidon or Aries should rule because Poseidon is stronger than his brother. Aries because it would be even more Entertaining of stories if he was in charged. LOL let the heads start rolling LOL
@@pamndz1 He was the weakest, not in terms of power, but because he usually let his emotions overrule any sense he may have had, far more than any of the other Olympians, even Zeus. He was far more impulsive than Zeus, and lacked Athena's strategic mind. Aries is the God of War, but more specifically of battle frenzy/madness, and he was also the God of passionate emotions, which is why the ancient Greeks considered him to be the weakest. To the ancient Greeks the excesses of the Gods were cautionary tales of how humans should no act, because humans humans wouldn't be able to withstand the consequences the way the Immortals could.
raven3moon Then the romans took him and made him the center of their pantheon. No but actually, Ares rarely acted out of impulse and usually acted very accordingly to the honor standards of the era. The Greeks hated him because as you say he was a berserker for war and they hated the chaos he brought. However many Greeks, most notably the Spartans, venerated Ares, even above Athena because of his loyalty to his father and his warrior physique. Ares was by no means stupid, just not very clever.
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The goddess of wisdom and noble warfare has her flaws. She stripped naked to impress Paris to win the title of "The Fairest." She participated in a coup against the father who favored her. She seemed cruel in her actions toward Medusa and Arachne. She ain't perfect - and I say this about my favorite goddess. I think her unborn brother is a better choice.
@@kitanaedenian2575 he is right about Athena. She was flawed and not soo wise. What she did to Medusa makes me not like her. I'll rather Hades if we are talking about Morality.
@@kitanaedenian2575 your need to attack people with insults shows how sad you are struggling with issues around you e.g. Financial, relationship, anxiety, mental or emotional health. You seem really sad and bitter tho. If you have any information about the topic of conversation, the best will be to tell us so that we can learn. You seem like that type that people don't like or get close to but you go around claiming to be misunderstood. You are just sad and unhappy inside out.
Zeus may not be the strongest, he may not be the smartest, and he’s certainly not the most tactful, but somehow the throne just suits him. He’s the only one with the will to claim that power and wield it effectively.
Well, it just so happens that he is described countless times as both the most powerful and the smartest god in the myths. Also, where did you get the idea that he isn't tactful?
"Hades should be leader" is actually a huge misunderstanding. It's outright stated that Zeus is the only one who could rule olympus the best. There are likely a LOT of ruler's who we're bad people, but we're amazing when it came to ruling. I hate to admit it, but I don't think even hades should rule olympus
I don't think Hades would even want to. he has that whole circus of the underworld he has to control, which seems a lot more stressfull than the bunch of monkey businesses on Olympus. There probably wouldn't be any other god able to rule the underworld. The moment Hades became ruler of olympus, the door of the underworld would swing open and the world would be flooded by the dead, because his substitute was incompetent. Then he would have to deal witht he fleabag that are the olympians AND the underworld.
This is -more so I believe, matches what I read back in the 90s. Also, Hera would usually plan behind Zeus' back as her own silent way of rebelling against her husband. The punishment thus befits her. Thanks again for the upload
Because of your vids, my youngest son's curiosity about the Greek gods has been growing. The book's for him btw... his name's Maximillian. Thanks again for all the work and time you've put in to each and every vid.
Slam of the Northcourt I know that, i am linking "victorious" war to strategic battle strategy (as it was Athenas) and just see the battles she took place in , she always won. Strategic Battle is for Athena and she always wins, unlike ares god of battle that is just brute war and strength unplanned war.
@@flameknightplayz2939 meh, outside of war and conflict I tend to like Ares more. But out of all the Greek gods a I know about. Pan reminds me of the unnamed horned god.
The point of these religious stories is not that another god could rule. The point is the opposite: that Zeus/Hera do rule, as they are the male & female embodiment of order and justice (expressed in Hera more as punishment and vengeance, which is a key part of order). The fact the other gods challenge order AND FAIL is the central meaning of the narrative. The point is that the other gods cannot rule.
Cronos is the god of time! chronos in Greek means time. Zeus is almighty, and above everything, of what could interfere and interact, and none is defying his word. The only deities above Zeus are the three fates, called Moires, which in Greek means fates - > Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos ('unturnable', a metaphor for death). And above them was Anage ! the Need! The necessity
Finally have my voice back so more videos to come this week.
Your voice is perfect for stories
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Do one on the Mermaids please do that one
Mythology & Fiction Explained what happened to hec something that freed Zeus from his chains did he get like title or become his General or Bodyguard i mean that is The Strongest if he maniged do that and fear other bised Zeus
Glad you are feeling better
I like how Hades, the one everyone in media depicts as Zeus arch rival just dont seem to want any part of this Olympian drama " nope, not gettign involved, have my own things to do"
Finally, someone that gets hades.
It’s funny cause there’s nowhere in the myths where Hades and Zeus are arch rivals, yet most people today see it that way haha. Heck, sometimes Hades was considered an aspect of Zeus, and was worshipped as Zeus Aidoneus (Coming from the Greek spelling of Hades) or Zeus Chthonios (Zeus of the Underworld)
@@fai-pe7oq in other translations and histories its kinda confirmed that Hades is stronger than all of his brothers, that amplified by the invincibility offered by his helmet made his just unbeatable
Hades is the type of guy to sit by his fireplace, with a pink dressing gown and pink fluffy slippers, Cerebus and a goblet of wine. Persephone is the type to smack a bitch up
Hades was the god that got screwed by Zeus. Since Hades was the first born son of Kronus he most likely would have became the head god but Zeus wanted to draw straws to see who ruled over what so Zeus got to be king of the skies, Posiden got to be king of the seas, and Hades stuck being king of the underworld.
"What exactly would cause Hera to rebel against Zeus?" Well if you made a video with that as the topic, it'd be the longest video you'd ever make.
Hello? He kept cheating on her and she had enough. It was her idea to dethrone zeus.
I paused that part of the video because I couldn't stop laughing
@@kevindavis296 I mean in his defense, Hera was his older sister. Can you imagine how boring that would be, being told to be faithful to your own sister
(Granted I'm not defending his methods, just some of his actions)
@LagiNaLangAko23 human woman, female horses, female everything
@@nelsonvenema3614 as well as boys
"Zeus broke the cycle of fathers killing their sons."
Kratos: "I'm about to destroy this man's whole career."
Alex Ramey Pretty sure no one killed anyone just Over threw and imprisoned and Zeus did on this day get over thrown by his children being the gods whom some are his direct children and full gods not half mortals
Alex Ramey XD
If Zeus broke that cycle and thwarted all attempts to overthrow his power that means that even if kraits existed in Greek mythology, this event would not take place
Zeus Z. Perez Kratos or Cratus does exist in Greek mythology. He’s the son of Styx and Pallas. His siblings are Nike and Zelos. Kratos is the the embodiment of strength
PHILL SHIVELY definitely would love that game
To be fair..... Zeus being dethroned for all of his dicking around by Hera feels oddly hilarious.
Kratos did a God Job!
it was about time the old Womenizer, had a taste of is lightning!
@@serenemountain6769 Kratos in real mythology isn't really one of Zeus' children, he was indeed a deity, but a minor one.
@@isaacurielcoriahuerta5524 i know : ) but the Kratos in the new fake mythology is more colourful !
In fairness to Zeus and a point that never gets made is that Zeus does "dick" around with Hera's permission. One or two of the legends actually do express that and I suspect that is the case more often than not. Whenever there is sincere prayer and a hero is needed it is Hera who encourages and allow Zeus to share his "godly DNA" to create a hero to overcome the challenge. Zeus' demigod children are usually children of destiny and purpose. After encouraging Zeus Hera then hides and torment these women and children behind Zeus back while publicly she plays victim to his "infidelities". I came to this conclusion after reading and watching movies of as many versions of the life of Hercules as I could find along with reading other stories of women who bore children for Zeus. Hera wasn't even Zeus first choice for a wife, He was first married to Themis, a goddess of law and order, a goddess I consider a more fitting match for a God of lightning and Justice. I am not sure how Hera became his wife, but maybe she always had ambition to become ruler of the Olympians and becoming Zeus wife was the closest she could get to it. Being the wife of Zeus also perfectly positions her in a place if trust. I suspect she is, and quietly so, responsible for a lot of the chaos and discrediting amongst the gods of the greek pantheon and ultimately her desire is to dethrone Zeus is partially responsible for making this politheistic pantheon seem so petty, resulting in their loss of influence in the modern world.
its like being thrown out to the couch, she got over it.
It is said that those best fit to rule are the ones who never seek it out.
Hades and Hestia. Of all the gods they are the only ones who NEVER abused humans. It's perfect Hestia looks after mortals while they're living and Hades watches over them when they die. If anything Hades should have been Hera's husband. Behind them should be Ares and Aphrodite because all is fair in Love and War.
interesting..
Well hades abused his sister's daughter persephone
@@chrisp.9385 True if by abused you mean he kidnapped her and held her against her will. But he never cheated on her, beat her or raped her.
@@George-Hawthorne I heard Zeus raped his own sister Demeter and that's how Persephone was born. Worst part, when she got older - Zeus raped her too.
I agree with you on the first part but I still think Hades and Persephone should be together, they make a great couple.
Dionysus more partying less being vengeful.
True but don't forget that he used to be a god that was associated with death and rebirth and he used to be a god of death and madness (not the kind of death like reaping souls)
I recommend you watch Overly Sarcastic Productions' video on him, :) Dionysus went though a SHIT TON of changes
Dionysus was a overtaker originally. And he is a conqueror of death, and rebirthed as a god. So no. He isn't as mellow as he seems. He is a son of Zeus after all.
It’s at 69 and I can’t bring myself to break such a fitting number for this god lol
yeah but he would definitly destroy every dog (not god)damed shit while partying
I read Zeus was originally going to retire and give him the thrown but Hera wouldn't allow it. He was such a good wine maker they finally gave him his spot in olympia. However Hades was the oldest of the three brothers I think he deserves it, but Dionysus is a good second😇🍷
I feel like the stories behind Greek Mythology can be turned into one badass movie/television series or videogame.
Well we have God of War games for example.
PhuryousOne There is God of War if you’d like.
There are too many watered down BS version of them in pop culture already d'uh.
Play Smite it’s based on gods and goddesses
Smite has all kinds of mythology gods
Does anyone find it funny that Athena wanted the throne, but apparently Ares didn't considering he didn't take part in the coup? You'd think he would be the first in line.
Cause Ares was loyal and respected his father. He never sought to challenge him or take what wasnt rightfully his (lol minus Aphrodite and a few other tales). He wasn't the jerk some made him out to be. Just scary and least liked by the Gods. Due to the chaos and calamity he'd bring with war. Athena of all deities shocked me in ways at first. Yet, then again not so much when you think about it and some of her unjustified actions. Kind of fits the narrative.
I don’t think Ares would care too much about the throne. If he was to rule, he wouldn’t have fun with the chaos of war.
You hit the nail right on the head. @@anthonyumbran6489
bro it was like a war and who was the god of nonstretestic war?
Yeah I thought so too. I remember hearing from somewhere about Ares that the reason Heras raised Ares to be a warrior was to hopefully overthrow Zeus and contine the cycle of kids overthrowing their fathers. But that went to waste when Ares lust for chaos of battles and bloodshed degusted the other gods. So they wouldn't want Ares to be king of the gods and he knew that consider that he ended up being beaten mostly by Athena a few times.
Hades, because of all the gods he came off as the most fair. Athena because she was destiny to rule beside her brother.
Are you talking about Athena's unborn brother?
@@cedricgist7614 yes. Athena was equal to Zues, her brother would have surpassed him.
Athena punished Medusa for being raped by Poseidón (?) (Sorry if it is not written like that), that is pretty fucked up plus is she not the god of justice?
Themis was the goddess of Justice. Athena was the goddess of wisdom and battle strategy.
@@whosjoe267 I think it's one of those things that change from telling to telling. I always liked the one where Athena turns Medusa into a gorgon so that she would never be harmed by a man again. Though, that telling does make it complicated since Athena helped Perseus kill Medusa.
I vote Hestia. Precicely because she did not want the to be the ruler, she tells us that she knows what being a ruler entails: A heavy responsibility for all your followers.
People follow rulers because they feel like they have better judgment. I think Hestia could deliver.
Don't force her to take the throne if she doesn't want to
She may be a good leader in a sense, but she was also wise and knew that Zeus had something about him
A balance
Where Zeus has done some good things, along with all of the sex he's done and his bad temper
She unstands that the only one fit to the rule is one who rules the sky, who was the one to fight cronus, who was the one who wouldn't cause chaos, as he gave freedom to the gods yet enforced things when needed
Hades is a dictator
Ares is a Blood Thristy Warlord
Hera is also a bit forceful
Dionysus is a partyier yet through that would cause ONLY chaos
And everyone else has their Issues, even Athena
Only Herculeus seems like a good boy to me but even he has issues, like how Hera wants to torment him forever and still most likely hates him with a passion
@@quinnholloway5400 Hades has been shown many a times to be wiser than his brothers and rational unlike his dickhead brothers. He has never abused humans always stayed loyal to his wife and generally is in no rush to abuse his powers. Dont know about you but id take him over his major cunt of a brother
@@MarvoloSalazar
I couldn't have said it better! everyone thinks Hades is so horrible but he was a just and fair ruler. modern media is what has tarnished the reputation of Hades
I vote Kratos
All the olympians seem to be dicks but yeah hades isnt too bad
"What would cause Hera to rebel?"
Um have you read any Greek myths?
Hello ! Zeus was a Womenizer! Hera was being betrayed constantly by Zeus!
Serene Mountain Actually Zeus was Bi.
@@KBzaz stfu yall stupid ignorant sheeps
You aint know no shit
Helghastimo Kingo There is literally a story about how he takes the form of an eagle and kidnapped and seduced a man. I’m huge mythology buff.
@@KBzaz master of mythology, can you please enlighten me behind the symbolism of Zeus betraying Hera? Please MyThoLoGy BuFf
That intro was straight primordial fire
Seconded!
@@iona2225 ahh, I see u are a man of culture.... and mythology. ;)
SidTheGamer0 Greek Fire, you might say.
So, you're telling me that while they had Zeus all chained up and was bickering among themselves, Zeus was freed from outside forces while no one was paying attention? That would have been a real "Oh crap. He's up" moment for all of them, hence the punishment. Gods and their games. Cracks me up. 😁
Awesome video. This was great insight into part of Zeus' story. Loved it.
well... I was told that Zeus did not do all the "bad" things willingly, but rather it was the lady of fate Ananke that forced him to do so. Although I see Zeus as spreading such tale to justify his own misbehaviour. In my opinion Zeus is not the strongest, but surely the fittest to rule, as Hades would be too strict a ruler, while Poseidon too temperamental. Zeus, no matter how morally reprehensible, has a forgiving side and prefers to discuss things at the table with some good Ambrosia rather than electrocute his problems to Hades.
Anyone other than zeus would become kim jong un
And Dyonisus well... It would be pure anarchy, ain't it?
Zeus IS the strongest. Hades is wiser than Zues.
@@TheRealBruhGod Zeus being the strongest depends on who you ask and at what time, because it can just as easily be claimed to be Athena, or his brothers, or some of the titans, etc.
@@TheRealBruhGod Or, better yet, beings like Nyx
I think Athena would have been a pretty good replacement. She had some cruel ways as well . But so did Zeus , must run in the family lol
Hera would also be interesting. Wonder what she could do with the power every time her husband cheated on her
DOWN WITH THE GODS UP WITH THE STARS
AMERICA PROTECTS
I think most of the bad stories abt Athena were written abt her roman counterpart. Athena has the skill set to be a great ruler. Wisdom. Capable in battle. Smart. Strong.
Athena was the queen of the gods before Zeus came along, dethroned her, and rewrote myth. She is still not happy about that.
Andres Marrero Where did you find that? Athena is Zeus’s child
Hades to take the throne
Well out of everyone else he was a dick the least.
Zvonimir Tomac thats why he should be the one to take the throne
Zeusy, I'm home!
Cristian Arteaga That and he’s the oldest and wisest along with being the most faithful and joust.
I fear he would ve way too lawful, not allowing humans any freedom, after all he is known to rule over Hades with an iron fist.
I love greek mythology so much and you are such a good story teller!
This is highly hilarious because they COULD dethrone him easily if only they'd stop bickering over power
Personally, I would want either Hestia, Athena or Hecate on the throne. All three vowed chastity, so there'd be no issues from sexual shenanigans. Also, they were all deemed to be wise and generally caring towards mortals.
I agree with Athena, she would be perfect. Hestia although the kindest deity she could not deal with severe incidents or punish people, deities etc.
@@vaggos013 If you think Athena is a good ruler, you should research on her former high priestess Medusa who was raped by Poseidon because she preferred to remain a virgin servant of Athena. Guess who gets punished, Medusa. Her fault? She was raped for being faithful to her patron.
Kishore Dhar If I understood right from the video if this channel, it may have to do with jelousy, but it was problemtic for her to punish a god, so she had to punish someone.
@@kishoredhar3660 u are annoying
@@sharonefee1426 Even if she is jealous, she is the Goddess of Wisdom. What right did she have to punish an innocent woman? Surely she would know that Medusa was innocent. She served Athena faithfully.
Hades was the rightful heir to the throne of Olympus he was the oldest
Oldest of brothers, but not of the children. That honor belongs to Hestia.
But he didn’t slay Cronus and would still be within his stomach without Zeus.
@@bgf3640 zeus would have died fighting cronus if it wasn't for his brother's helping though. The only reason that zeus could free them was by happenstance that he was the youngest.
Just because he helped free them like any good brother should doesn't mean he should rule on that basis alone. As that would equate to him hanging an event over them that they literally had no control over.
No, the sisters are older than the brothers.
Zvonimir Tomac pfff a woman deity couldn’t rule the olympians
HERCULES...
Since he lived among mortals and know the pain the Gods could cause people!
He'd be a Fair but stern Ruler of the Olympians!
Heracles has the strength and intellect required to be a decent ruler but the problem is that he has anger issues and has caused quite a few problems from it so no, he would be a shit ruler tbh.
Like the hunter guy said he had anger issues soo much that he killed 2 of Ares sons and one of them was killed infront of Ares and if Ares wasn’t stoped you would say goodbye to ur Hercules (Ares is stronger than Hercules)
its heracles in greek you said his roman counterpart
@@oriansallahu3284 no? Not really. Heracles fought apollo who won a fight with ares. The fight was stopped tho by zeus
He's not a god though
Personally I think the Titan Coeus would be a good leader of the universe. For one he's the Titan of Intellect. So for the most part he would make good decisions with an occasional bad decision thrown in. The only notable bad decision of his I could think of was that he sided with Cronus in the Titan War. In all fairness, however, If my little brother was about to be thrown in Tartarus I would try to protect him too. So I don't really blame Coeus for siding with Cronus for that reason. Coeus is also logical, so he would not get his emotions mixed up with his responsibilities unless the situation calls for it. It is also clear that Coeus isn't that bad and that he does care about the other Titans. For example when Coeus was in Tartarus, he tried to free his fellow Titans. The only obstacle that kept him for completing said task was Cerberus. That story also proves that Coeus is willing to take a leadership position if the situation calls for it. Also I just want Coeus to be leader of the universe because he's my favorite deity in all of Greek Mythology.
I guess the saying “dropping the kids off” started with Kronos!
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I don't think he media had anything to do with it. The majority of these old world religions were fazed out by Catholicism when ceaear wanted the world united under one religion and the old pagan religions were demonized and went against the first commandment 'thou shalt not worship false idols'
Skyrim music! ❤️ Always loved these videos, now, they’re next level great!
Staci White Right it gives me chills
I noticed that right off the bat lol. It was great.
I'd like Hades to take the throne, he's a stern yet chill guy. Also, think about it this way; if Hades were to take the throne it would be extremely symbolic of the saying "The meek shall inherit the earth" as he would be riding up from his relatively low position compared to the other gods and become the ruler of the highest point of existence, the Throne of Olympus itself.
It would also make even more sense due to him being the oldest brother and traditionally the oldest son becomes the ruler. This would fix the situation to conform to that rule.
Speaking of which, it kind of makes me wonder as to what would happen if none of the Olympians were eaten and it actually plays out more as a traditional inheritance. Just think of how that would change the myth's timeline!
Heres the thing
Posiden Rules all of the Oceans
While Technically because of where hell/hades is
Hades owns a huge chuck if not most of the riches of the underground, so he kind of is already well off
Why should he care about those morons up in Olympus
Why do you think he didn't care about joining up with the rest of the gang in the 'KILL ZEUS PARTY!'
Because he is a good brother, and a wise bro, and knows that running TWO kingdoms, he most likely wouldn't trust zeus with his home
Would be a godly level of stress none of us can understand
So thats why the brothers of Zeus refuse to take the throne, they are content
Lk in Greek mythology the youngest have taken over, Cronos was the youngest of his siblings too & became king of the titans
Quinn Holloway TBH it’s not entirely clear whether or not Hades took part in the coup against Zeus as mentioned in this video. Some versions say that literally *ALL* of the other gods (which technically would have included Hades) took part in the coup with the sole exception of Hestia. Others, however, more specifically say that all of the *Olympians* took part, in which case it would be safe to assume that Hades didn’t take part because he technically wasn’t usually considered an Olympian, mostly because he declined to take seat of power on Mount Olympus in favor of staying in the underworld and managing his kingdom there, only ever traveling to Olympus when summoned or when
Personally I’m inclined to think the latter is more consistent with Hades’ character. Or if he DID take part in the coup, perhaps he did so not to try to take Zeus’ throne, but rather to teach his brother a lesson in humility.
First of all the first son thing doesn't work for hades because he was swallowed by their father cronos along with the rest siblings. Except for zeus who was saved by their mother and exchanged for a stone and grown outside still he came of age and freed his siblings. To me it was at that moment zeus became king of them all, because they looked up to him and of course he grew outside, he was more of the senior child now and than hades who was swallow and had so experience of the outside world or influence and then zeus lead them against their father and later won the battle. Secondly hades as ruler won't work because hades power comes from fear and if he was king he would make humanity tremble just to get more powerful, because if the human race is at peace he would be at his weakest and won't be able to defend his throne. His power is similar to ares who feeds on chaos
The Atlantean war against Athens in Plato’s dialogues pleeeeease
Yessssssss
I haven't heard this story.
Even though I’m already familiar with most of the information in your Greek mythology videos, they are still a joy to watch. Great job, keep up the good work.
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Zeus: *Ends Parricide*
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Kratos: Hold my Blades of Chaos.
Fantastic video. 😁 Your story gave me new respect for this deity. Tell me, who were those that came from outside that Zeus trusted most yet rebelled against him after the Hera's coup?
if you want to take a break from reality, and comics or games aren't doing it for you, turn to mythology :)
Agreeded
@@Stormscythe378 say, which mythos is your favorite? Mine is Norse. My love of Marvel's Thor translates over to the actual mythology
@@manend2 mines Greek
@@manend2 Greek! I have been fascinated with Greek myths since elementary school. But I have dabbled in Some Norse, Celtic, Egyptian, Native American(Anything concerning Raven is the best!), Indian and Japanese lore as well. But I always go back to Greek myth, and I am a fan of Silver and Bronze age wonder Woman myself. =)
@@Stormscythe378 speaking of mythology, which god of thunder would win? Thor or Zeus?
To be fair to Zeus, when you don't have a canon things can get wonky. The coup totally makes sense when you figure the gods got tired of Zeus mucking around and thought they themselves would be a better ruler, but then it doesn't if you read what ancient Greek Pagans say about Zeus and how the guy is fundamentally righteous.
Fundamentally Righteous? Zeus was literally the worst. such an evil wretched deity. all he did was trick women, then sleep with them against their will, murder his sons, sleep with his sisters, cheat on his wife, did Prometheus *dirty,* more murder, rape, and trickery. he literally only loved Athena and Heracles. now, Heracles was a *based* Sigma Male with Black Air Force Energy. but Athena also occasionally dabbled in fucking with humans. a favoured past time of Zeus. so fuck Zeus. and Athena.
Prometheus also *based* Sigma Male with Black Air Force Energy. fuckin love that guy. plus he has the most admirable quality, and it's his namesake: Forethought. and he's got a loveable, dorky, little brother: Epimetheus.
I love the way you tell these lessor known stories from Greek mythology. I never knew of this attempted coup for the throne of Olympus.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Keep up the good work. 👍🏾
Where was hades during all this?
Without his mother Zeus would be swallowed like his brothers and sisters.
I feel at times he just got lucky.
Can you cover some Egyptian mythology?
@Travis Tucker with his kidnapped wife who he Stockholm syndromed into loving him
Travis Tucker contented
Considering the Hecatonchires were in his employ (they helped keep watch over some of Tartarus' nastier residents) Thetis probably had to get in touch with him to get the Hecatonchire.
At which point I'm sure he said something along the lines of: "A WHAT just happened on Olympus? You've got to be kidding me."
@Travis Tucker Hades us that one anti-social accountant guy who looks out for the first time in a century, see's the crazy drama his family us in, and nopes right back to his basement for another century.
Hades doesn't care about his family's squabbles or the people who worship him.
Zeus broke the cycle of leadership by giving his father Kronos, amnesty. He took him out of Tartaros and put him in Elysion. This was likely meant to symbolize Kronos being forgiven and bygones being bygones.
Where did you learn this from?
Some folks say Hades should have taken the throne because he was the eldest (or eldest male anyway), and some say Poseidon, because he was stronger and because the sea figured so powerfully in Greek life.
But as you pointed out, Zeus was the one who actually freed them, Zeus took the necessary actions. Certainly he was a "man of action" in that way. (A little too much action, nyuk nyuk)
Rightful, maybe not - but effective, yes. Not because of his powers, either, not even because of his winning personality necessarily. Because almost every one of the gods owed Zeus. They owed him their lives for various reasons, they owed him for favors done or judgments granted. Zeus' stature among the gods was very much like that of any of the Greek leaders that people would have known very well.
The ancient world placed a huge amount of importance on loyalty and on paying back what you were given - be that positive or negative. "An eye for an eye" wasn't a Greek saying, but they definitely had echoes of that attitude in the way they did things. Some of the great philosophers were fond of forgiveness, but most of their myths don't include even a tiny speck of mercy. It simply didn't make sense, in their world, at that time: if someone betrayed or attacked you, you didn't turn the other cheek, you destroyed them so that they could not bring harm to you or your lands again.
Therefore: the myths reinforced the attitudes that existed, justified and explained them as well. It's deeply interesting, though, that this myth doesn't even hint that Zeus considers destroying any of those who raised their hands against him in this coup. He punishes them - he doesn't subject them to punishments as severe as, say, Prometheus. And it's interesting, too, that Hera is shown here as having had enough, and taking action: with zero emphasis (in the original stories! not in some translations) on "she deserved to fail because women shouldn't disobey." Though that attitude did exist in Greek life - very rarely does that attitude get reflected in myths, even in this one where we might expect to see such.
Zeus got to the top because of his wits and being able to keep folks (mostly) feeling grateful towards him. If he could have remained more faithful to his wife, maybe the coup wouldn't have happened at all, eh?
Zeus was in a position to free Poseidon and based cause his mother willed it to be so , she shows to protect Zeus over her other children and make sure he dethroned his father , had the choice been otherwise it might’ve been based or Poseidon who would’ve been the “man of action”
I know it's mythology, but yours was a thoughtful comment. I never liked Zeus and only tolerated his leadership because that just seemed the order of things. Only as an adult did I learn how he came to power and how he had to fight to retain it. You describe him with some sympathy, and I appreciate that.
I still think his unborn son would be a better ruler, but where does the violence stop?
That intro was magnificent. Truly something awesome. Nicely done.
“Of it ain’t broke don’t fix it.”
While I personally would have loved to have seen Hades take the throne I can’t deny that Zeus does a good job as ruler.
Zeus' unborn son - stronger than Zeus, wiser than Athena, surpassing all the gods in their virtues.
Dionisus should rule. Powerful enough to hold his own against other gods. Clever enough to earn Athenas respect. Mischevious enough to keep things fun.
I think Zeus was the rightful leader. According to the storied I’ve listened to from you, he had the most drive to get things done regardless of power. And having high drive will get you farther than any amount of natural born talent. Hard work will always win compared to lazy talent.
then he proceeds to screw and fuck any woman in the Mediterranean he possibly could
@@marseldagistani2251 he is a god...he can do whatever he wants. What god is governed by rules esp king of gods
@@dennismwesh I can do whatever I want and Im not even god. You know why? Because I can.
This would make a great movie
Pan should’ve been the King of Olympus. Just imagine all the little half goat gods running around.
Hahahahahaha
Lol
Hades should be the leader of Olympus, not because he's the oldest, not because he might be the strongest, but because he's the most level-headed out of all the gods, sans Hestia, and you've never heard of Hades having management problems in Hades have you?
Plus think how fun it would be to hear about the Hades having to be the straight man to the rest of the gods, and sort out their dumb, divine problems.
You do realize Hades doesn't care about anyone other than himself and his wife, right? He doesn't even care about his worshippers or want to be worshipped. He might also be terrified of leaving the underworld.
Aphrodite, Athena, and Hera:
Hades, which one of us is the prettiest?~
Hades (With a predictably tired and unamused face):
"I don't care."
Persephone:
:)
@@l33t-haxor17 to be fair everyone fear him and plus he does focus on his job making sure the souls are in their place and pushed the wicked. Also he actually treat the dead kind well expected the Dam souls but his subject really fear him because he rule the underworld ( the living one)
I'm so hyped, new M&FE video!
Zeus was the god of hospitality and fate, his was the influence that kept structure through hospitality. He also brought wise council to the gods since his eyes were open to the future.
the backgroun d music from skyrim fits this really good 😂
Thank you for making this video! This series is very helpful, as i am very interested in Greek mythology! Maybe, if you had not made a video about her yet, what about Hestia?
This Zeus discussion was very captivating.
Idraote (two comments above you), and I believe Zeus' unborn son would be the best ruler.
Hades should have been the rightful ruler of olympus. He was the oldest and probably the most powerful.
And unlike his man-whore brother, Hades didn't cheat on his wife. The only time I can think of when Hades brought another woman to his bed was to have a threesome with Persephone, and Persephone was totally into it. There would have been a whole lot less drama and crazy bullshit going around because the new ruling couple would have been way more stable.
@@molliethomas2585,
Would you mind telling me this story? Sounds quite fascinating.
Mollie Thomas Poseidon is also loyal tho and much powerful than the two.
Or you know DOWN WITH THE GODS UP WITH THE STARS AMERICA SHALL CLEANSE THIS EARTH OF THY TYRANT GODS THROUGH THE USE OF AMERICAN NUCLEAR FIRE
@@flameknightplayz2939
Poseidon was just as much of a philandering asshole as Zeus was and he was the god who had the most demigod children.
In a one-on-one battle I would think Poseidon would win but when it comes to leadership is really hard to tell who would be the best. I think Zeus noticed that and I think that's why he split all the responsibilities with all the gods so they are more like a government type of rule. A government type that is very similar to the way the US works in its government. Zeus would be like the president who has a lot of power and has a final word. The Fates are kind of like the judicial branch. And all the gods together are like the Congress and Senate where they have to talk and make an agreement on certain issues to improve things. This is just what I think. Thank you and keep making great videos!!!!
If I recall...there was a point in the Iliad where Zeus sent Iris to Poseidon (who was helping the Greeks at the time) and warned him to disengage. Zeus via Iris told her to tell Poseidon if he refused he would take the fight to him directly. He (Zeus) warned Poseidon that he was his elder by birth and stronger. Poseidon initially responded defiantly to this until warned by Iris that the "avenging spirits" a.k.a. the Erinyes (the Furies) always attend (help) the elder born (Zeus). After that he backed down and fled the battle and returned to the sea. I also recall another incidence when Zeus rebuked all the other assembled god(s) with the statement that if he chose to remain seated no god in Olympus individually or combined could move him.
Exactly, exactly. Finally someone who knows what they're talking about.
@@omniavanitas7893 why is it I see you on almost every comment pertaining to greek mythology lol and giving people the scare
Please can you do a video on Zeus specifically and the stories he went through please
Shoulda been a triumpherate, zeus didn't beat chronos alone, posidon, and hades did help
No the cyclops' and the Hecatoncheires helped. His brothers were in Cronos' stomach and were freed upon his defeat.
Let's also not forget Zeus was the one who stayed behind to battle Typhon
@@DevilfishFace actually you guys are kind of both right. The first phase was Zeus secretly slipping Cronus the potion that caused him to vomit up his siblings, but then there was a 10 (or 12 depending on who you ask) Year War against Cronus and his Titan brothers, in which Poseidon and Hades both played a large role. The Cyclops and Hecatonchires also played a large role in that war (the cyclops forged weapons for Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon as well).
IT IS a Triumvirate. "And the brothers divided the realm EQUALLY between them, Sly Hades the Underworld, Bold Poseidon the Oceans and Waters, and Brash Zeus the Heavens, with all three having a fair share of dominion over the Earth". Zeus is just an egotistical bastard who thinks HES the main god. Seriously read Poseidon/Hades centric myths, they are more, well, forth-telling than Zeus's myths
@@TipeneThorner
I think you've got their characterization mixed up.
The only reason why i clicked on this video was becoz Zeus was holding a rasengan in the thumbnail😅
Using modern day technology, I'm sure we can over throw Zeus. Who's with me!?
He's dead thanks to Godzilla
Me.
Let's ram a space shuttle into him from orbit
I’m not sure how Zeus got into power, I sure didn’t vote for him. I’m with you, “The people, United, shall.....get hit by flying thunderbolts.”
Zeus and the Olympians are dead. The new godly emperors are Yahweh, Allah, and Hollywood.
First will you have any vids on slavic mythology
@@quwykxz I know what mythology do you like
you ain’t slick with the skyrim music, love it
Damn! That intro! Man, this channel has grown so much! It makes me so happy.
Well, let's see what we're working with here in terms of who would be a better ruler than Zeus.
Poseidon is the most powerful participant and is the eldest born son of Kronos there, making him the supposed rightful heir, and he does have experience leading a kingdom with his own underwater domain.But like the sea, his mood could change at any moment, from being a kind cool and benevolent ruler, to a raging and fierce despot.
Hera is the queen of Olympus by marriage and probably has more experience with ruling, but she can be petty and downright ruthless at times, as shown when she conceived Ares with the major intent on having him overcome Zeus(surprised he wasn't involved with this) or when she threw her hate conceived child Hephestus off of Olympus just because he looked ugly.
Appolo doesn't really have much going for him in terms of him being a good choice for a ruler, he is just as petty, prideful, and arrogant as zeus himself. He has no experience being a ruler, he is more likely to play the lyre on the throne than watch over mankind and more than anything else, I believe he only wants to be king for the name alone not for the responsibility.
Athena is an interesting choice , though she is the wisest among the Olympians and will probably make the right call for the greater good, I think it very likely she will use the throne to move humankind and her fellow gods like pieces on a chessboard. There is no emotion in it, no concern for how the others would feel about her decisions. Plus, though she may be the wisest, she has no experience ruling over a kingdom.
Overall, the olympian revolt was doomed to fail. Because no matter who would replace Zeus, the outcome would not change because they are just as bad, if not worse than zeus himself. Plus, while Zeus is by no means a perfect ruler, he has done the most to secure Olympus as a kingdom for his realm. He released his siblings from Kronos 's stomach, he lead the gods in epic wars such as the titanomachy, gigantomachy, and the attack of Typhon to name a few and always came out on top. In fact, he was the only one to stand and face Typhon in combat while the others ran for their lives, he saved Olympus (with a little help) and the world while the rest of his godly kind cowered in fear. Most important of all, though he is an unfaithful husband and at times can be a petty self serving asshole, but both humanity and Olympus prospered under his rule and protection. Zeus, regrettably, is the right choice for the job.
I put all my legitimacy money on Hera, though.
Hades is the eldest not poseidon
@@raymondhernandez1868 I said the eldest one "there", if Hades was there then he would be the eldest participant. Quite surprising he wasn't.
I know we are all thinking the same thing so I'll just ask: what kind of workout/gym do these gods go to?
I can just imagine the argument the four would be having whilst Zeus is restrained and listening to it all.
*Hera:* Well, that's sorted. *heads to the throne room*
*Poseidon:* Hey! Don't I get the throne?
*Apollo:* Pffff, NO, I'm his son and heir, I GET THE THRONE!
*Athena:* Stop arguing, that throne is mine and you know it.
*Hera:* I'm his wife!
*Apollo:* Son!
*Poseidon:* Brother!
*Athena:* Daughter!
*Hecatoncries:* *BOOM* SUP CUPCAKES I'M 'ERE TO BREAK YA CHAINS!
*Zeus:* Oooh you're really f-cked now.
I never heard this version about Briareus first breaking Zeus out. Every time I've heard this before Briareus shows up, and his mere presence scares them enough to call off the rebellion.
The one you are talking about is the version that appears in the Iliad and is, in fact, the only existing version. I haven't the faintest idea where people get their information from, but this is a very obscure myth that doesn't appear in any other ancient Greek work.
Is there a video dedicated to zeus in your playlist? I tried searching but couldnt find it
Athena is, was, and always will be among other mythology experts and fans the perfect example of an Olympian Leader. Almost every descision made by her was made not by a childish need or succumbing to her sentiments, but because she put a thought to it, unlike Zeus. She is the personification of practical thinking for Gods' sake.
Also i always felt sad about the other olympians. They could never overthow Zeus not because he is the smartest but th STONGEST. That fact will never stop bother me cause it comes in contrast with the most Ancient Greek myths about heroes. Their point was to tell us that power was never too much for practicality and smartness.
I'd beg to differ on how she handled Medusa unjustly. Punish the loyal and faithful servant of yours. That cried out to you for aide. When her lustful and vengeful Uncle Poseidon raped her. As well as openly pursued her beforehand on multiple occasions. Athena did that all over jealousy of Medusa's beauty and cursed her. You'd think that'd be the case with Aphrodite or some other deity, not Athena. She's one of my favorites too but far from an angel/saint. She's proven to be just as manipulative on accounts even against feuds with Ares. I do think Hades had Zeus's number and would've been just as well as Apollo. Him and Athena were by far two the wisest.
Medusa and Arachne, she is a sore loser and that's not a very good trait for a leader to have
@@dtill5322 the medusa Stroy has three diffent tales tho. The only unjust instance would be the arachne tale, and this one is a punishment for arachne insulting her father
She is also a bad looser! She sided with the Greeks during the Trojan War just because she was mad at Paris for not giving her the golden apple!
@@joaniedallaire4352 she was mad because aphrodite cheated. She swayed Paris's decision by making agamemnon'wife fall in love with him in exchange for naming her the fairest
I agree with your observation about Zeus being the god fit to rule. My reason is that he (to me) felt the more balanced of the Deities. Poseidon always came across as pretty uninterested in things. Hades came across as a deep thinker, who was focused more on the small things, and tended to only bairly glance at the overall picture. The females tended to be shown pretty similar to both Poseidon or Hades. Possibly Athena could have ruled, but she came later, so was not around "at the beginning" (so to say).
Zeus' unborn son, Athena's brother, would surpass all the gods and be the best choice.
@@cedricgist7614 Which is why Zeus ate Metis, his first wife.
Zeus is the right choice but I think Poseidon and Hades should have switch domains. Poseidon was scarier and prone to anger while Hades was more controlled and willing to help anyone who ask him nicely.
The temptation of power is so difficult to resist
That was an Epic rendition detailed awesomely, so nicely done, thank you
Poseidon or Aries should rule because Poseidon is stronger than his brother. Aries because it would be even more Entertaining of stories if he was in charged. LOL let the heads start rolling LOL
But, Hades was acknowledged as the strongest of the three brothers, and Aries was always considered the weakest if all the Olympians.
raven3moon Ares was definitely not the weakest, he was the most hated though
Aries is a megalomaniac, you would have the world in chaos if he rules it's a good store but it would not be good in reality
@@pamndz1 He was the weakest, not in terms of power, but because he usually let his emotions overrule any sense he may have had, far more than any of the other Olympians, even Zeus. He was far more impulsive than Zeus, and lacked Athena's strategic mind. Aries is the God of War, but more specifically of battle frenzy/madness, and he was also the God of passionate emotions, which is why the ancient Greeks considered him to be the weakest. To the ancient Greeks the excesses of the Gods were cautionary tales of how humans should no act, because humans humans wouldn't be able to withstand the consequences the way the Immortals could.
raven3moon Then the romans took him and made him the center of their pantheon. No but actually, Ares rarely acted out of impulse and usually acted very accordingly to the honor standards of the era. The Greeks hated him because as you say he was a berserker for war and they hated the chaos he brought. However many Greeks, most notably the Spartans, venerated Ares, even above Athena because of his loyalty to his father and his warrior physique. Ares was by no means stupid, just not very clever.
And there came the god of war series...
Watch the game movies in this order:
God of War: Ascension.
God of War: Chains of Olympus.
God of War.
God of War: Ghost of Sparta.
God of War II
God of War III
God of War IV
@@serenemountain6769 the 4th isnt about greek
and stupid fiction fanboy cucks
Athena of course,
Do I need to explain further?
The goddess of wisdom and noble warfare has her flaws. She stripped naked to impress Paris to win the title of "The Fairest." She participated in a coup against the father who favored her. She seemed cruel in her actions toward Medusa and Arachne. She ain't perfect - and I say this about my favorite goddess. I think her unborn brother is a better choice.
@@cedricgist7614 u don't know shit about what u are talking
@@kitanaedenian2575 he is right about Athena. She was flawed and not soo wise. What she did to Medusa makes me not like her. I'll rather Hades if we are talking about Morality.
@@heartsandpearls239 u are unwise lol tbat history of Medusa is not even a original greek myth but a Roman's version .
Go educate yourself
@@kitanaedenian2575 your need to attack people with insults shows how sad you are struggling with issues around you e.g. Financial, relationship, anxiety, mental or emotional health. You seem really sad and bitter tho. If you have any information about the topic of conversation, the best will be to tell us so that we can learn. You seem like that type that people don't like or get close to but you go around claiming to be misunderstood. You are just sad and unhappy inside out.
That was incredible presentation of the Greek mythology and the history I enjoyed it hope you have more videos thank you
Well told tale. I enjoyed this look into an interesting detail of greek mythology I only knew of in passing reference. I just subscribed!
...until one day a Spartan named Kratos made a vow
Zeus may not be the strongest, he may not be the smartest, and he’s certainly not the most tactful, but somehow the throne just suits him. He’s the only one with the will to claim that power and wield it effectively.
Well, it just so happens that he is described countless times as both the most powerful and the smartest god in the myths. Also, where did you get the idea that he isn't tactful?
@@omniavanitas7893 He lead the Olympians to victory in both the Titanomachy and Gigantomachy. He is definitely tactful.
"Hades should be leader" is actually a huge misunderstanding. It's outright stated that Zeus is the only one who could rule olympus the best. There are likely a LOT of ruler's who we're bad people, but we're amazing when it came to ruling. I hate to admit it, but I don't think even hades should rule olympus
I don't think Hades would even want to. he has that whole circus of the underworld he has to control, which seems a lot more stressfull than the bunch of monkey businesses on Olympus.
There probably wouldn't be any other god able to rule the underworld. The moment Hades became ruler of olympus, the door of the underworld would swing open and the world would be flooded by the dead, because his substitute was incompetent. Then he would have to deal witht he fleabag that are the olympians AND the underworld.
This is -more so I believe, matches what I read back in the 90s. Also, Hera would usually plan behind Zeus' back as her own silent way of rebelling against her husband. The punishment thus befits her.
Thanks again for the upload
Because of your vids, my youngest son's curiosity about the Greek gods has been growing.
The book's for him btw... his name's Maximillian.
Thanks again for all the work and time you've put in to each and every vid.
Athena being the favorite awwww
That thumbnail tho...damn😍
oh yes. 🥰🥰🥰
And that is how kratos became the god of war 😊.
Actually it isn't.
@@primaharianto1377 actually it's a joke.
Yess we need this
While they where all backstabbing each other, someone had to finish the job!
I would choose Athena. After all she is the Goddess of Wisdom. Shouldn't the Queen of Olympus be wise?
Dark Lord T-Bone Athena is also the goddes or victorious/strategic war and its crafts if you didn't know...
@@flameknightplayz2939 Nike is the goddess of Victory.
Slam of the Northcourt I know that, i am linking "victorious" war to strategic battle strategy (as it was Athenas) and just see the battles she took place in , she always won. Strategic Battle is for Athena and she always wins, unlike ares god of battle that is just brute war and strength unplanned war.
@@flameknightplayz2939 meh, outside of war and conflict I tend to like Ares more.
But out of all the Greek gods a I know about. Pan reminds me of the unnamed horned god.
There was a prophecy that Athena would overthrow him, had she been a man.
Brilliant video as always lad.
Great video.. Look forward to soaking in more of your knowledge
Athena could have been a good ruler, stories of her cruelty are rare and she represented intellect and justice
Her unborn brother is a better choice.
I oppose this with: Arachne. Enough said.
Kratos gave her justice! piece and quiet! no more scheming
Zeus is established in mythology as stronger than all olympians combined.
The point of these religious stories is not that another god could rule. The point is the opposite: that Zeus/Hera do rule, as they are the male & female embodiment of order and justice (expressed in Hera more as punishment and vengeance, which is a key part of order). The fact the other gods challenge order AND FAIL is the central meaning of the narrative. The point is that the other gods cannot rule.
Ah, but Zeus' unborn son could rule!
@Kimberly Harper
Excellent point.
That elder scrolls music bringing tears to my eyes man.
I wish there was a game were you played as Zeus and went through all his many shenanigans
Can you do a video about the Trojan war?like if u agree
yes plz! well said, love 🇦🇺⚽💜
Like the condom the trojan war broke out lol
I'm glad Zues wasn't beaten out of his position.
Guys remember without Zeus Kronos will still ruling the Olympians so he deserve that place
I really love ur video very great visualisation and the sounds is so perfect
An excellent point on Zeus
Hestia.....honestly speaking the ones who don’t care for power are the ones who do the jobs best
Kratos got her out of the Way!
Cronos is the god of time! chronos in Greek means time. Zeus is almighty, and above everything, of what could interfere and interact, and none is defying his word. The only deities above Zeus are the three fates, called Moires, which in Greek means fates - > Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos ('unturnable', a metaphor for death). And above them was Anage ! the Need! The necessity
Athena and Ares as co-rulers as they represent both chaos and order, strategy and brutality
I recognize that art! The image of Zeus at 4:46 was from Smite. That was his original splash art before he was redesigned.
It’s always Skyrim’s music for most youtubers I swear I love it