as a result they are her father's killers. jaina will regret and cry again. Because chose horde again:) "why woldn't you listen father." But too late jaina...
Jin the banana from the left Ironically the last time we saw him do something was when the horde overthrew their last war chief. Really sums up the “aw shit here we go again” meme.
@@arvidtonning6348 Nah mate he looks great back with his ancesteral roots now hopefully of the course of his story he will put back on the doomhammer armor
I guess the "current" develop team will try to avoid this, they might force Sylvanas to abdicate and let Thrall return. Sylvanas is smart and patient, she can switch her strategy once she release she cannot rule the horde. and wait for the chance (if she really loves to be warchief, I think not) Still, I guess Sylvanas is a very mature and cool blood leader, if she has plan to conquer the Alliance and Appease the horde in the same time, I bet horde will conquer the Azeroth. Yes, I am a night elf player and I think Sylvanas is better leader IF she has considered the both sides of her policy.
NightWolf3342 she cant rule the Horde. Simple as that. She treats them as disposable tools and thats exactly what Horde strives NOT to be. And her “victories” are a fruit of plot armor and writer bias that made her into a pure Mary Sue “Dark”.
@@MrVlad12340 "Can't rule the Horde" The difference between Garrosh and Sylvanas is, Sylvanas knows this truth and she can step back for a while, Garrosh knew that and just tried to take down everyone against him. I guess it's about the flexibility of their strategies, not how they treat people.
@@Thegriff19 they also did that with yogg-saron, and in an way, c'thun, so that does not surprise me, though disappointing to know because of how important g'huun was lorewise to the beginning of this expansion
When characters ask Prince Erazdim about what "upgrades" he would recommend they get, he has unique responses depending on class. Could you possibly show the full set of these?
You know, I don't understand why no one actually challenges Sylvanas to a one on one for the title of warchief? I mean the Warchief position isn't an absolute, unshakable position. It's clear more than half the Horde hates her at this point in time, with only the Forsaken and the Otherworld Orcs still supporting her. So many people hate her and yet they don't try the most direct method and instead uses methods that causes infighting and weakening themselves. It's honestly surprising the Alliance hasn't won yet with how much internal conflict going on.
Most likely because they do not trust that she would give a fair duel or a duel at all..After Garrosh Carine duel can't blame them, sylvanas is 10 times more-I will do anything to survive and win.
You know i had hopes for BfA story and always tried to defend it but really Blizzard just fire all of your writers, they suck at making the characters motivations be known and are only infuriating the player base in a bad way.
Huh still thrall appears out of nowhere and disappears to nowhere......And each second this seems like saving voljin from Harrisburg but needs the alliance too........
That's how he ditch garrosh with the weight of warchief, didn't try to help; just up and left for cataclysm control. Not even an "i'll brb" just up and left and return to be a blameless hero. Didn't even help voljin on his warchief choice.
Even loyalist do the same scenario... so if you have been choosing Sylvanas side this whole time you still just "going along" so every choice you make is completely useless and from it looks right now it won't lead anywhere.... That's some poor writing right there.
@@MircoBeier am not hard on the game it's just criticism. Why put it in the game in the first place if its going to have no impact on your story. It just makes you believe for a moment you made a changeing impact on the story but in the end it just going to be about a toy or something like that....
Hmm, the vision said sylv spoke a word and his life flickered out. Is that just saying she made the order and he was executed, or has she gained a new power (such as with the blade) so she can literally say one word and kill even a leader like baine? If the latter, that's a big issue for both factions, any power like that is sure to corrupt the user
It's probably just a reference to her ordering his execution, prophetic visions tend to be vague and it gives the impression that if no one helps save Baine then he is gonna die.
Baine went out of his way to return Derek to Jaina, despite Sylvanas's plans for him, and is paying the price for it. It doesn't take much to see that Jaina sees that Baine stands for the Horde she used to respect, and it won't likely return to it without him.
"This is like MoP... this is Garrosh 2.0".... But then PLOT TWIST, instead of another siege of Orgrimmar we have the SIEGE OF STORMWIND, because the Banshee Queen went there to blight the fuck of it in an effort of winning the war. That would be cool.
Things I would fix/change in this scenario: - There should be a reaction dialogue when Alliance and Horde see each other, instead of standing around awkwardly untill the door opens and then talk afterwards. - Horde guards should react to the betrayal of the player - Saurfang and Thrall instead of yelling "Kill the Alliance" (which there aren't any) - Orc Peons shouldn't be stealthed as well during the sneaking part. - Thrall should be fighting more as a shaman instead of a warrior. - Enemy NPC's and Alli/Horde Hero characters should have more abilities to spam/use. It's boring to dps race a fight down where the enemy only casts 1 spell and a charged Blast wave, while Jaina only casts frostbolts (But has insanely awesome spells to burst down shields?) Fights need to have more flair in general, that's why I liked that the battlemages blinked, it didn't change a lot but it made the fight more immersive.
Imo from the looks of it the mission was way too easy, u just see enemies and then spam skills. Id prefer if the enemies had some thought put into them, like they give status effect skillshots or if they become vulnerable when u hit their status weaknesses or something like that. Theres a lot blizzard could do even with this outdated mmo combat, but they are just lazy.
Sorry to break it to you, but he lost his power during legion as a part of the shaman order hall questline. He no longer has any shamanistic powers due to the spirits most likely abandoning him. Also doomhammer i now long gone.
@@masterofcolddark6892 The Elements probably abandoned him because for his duel with Garrosh. They were having a Mak'gora which is a duel, only physical and no magic what so ever. During that duel he kinda abused his power and used the elements agianst him. Not sure if he forced the elements to do his bidding or they did it themsleves. But after that they abandoned him. Hope you understand, explaining isnt my strongest skill
@@therevenant5641 Missing the point if that's all you see. ...You honestly don't think Sylvanas wouldn't do this to those who'd oppose her? This is about rescuing Baine! Letting Baine die or killing him is wrong.
@@Skollshorties Exactly what point am I missing here? The fact that blizzard has decided to reuse a (greatly disliked I might add) storyline from only 2 expansions ago? The point that they've decided to villain bat the hell out of one of their most popular characters, drag an entire faction through the mud while making us feel bad just to ram this hamfisted narrative down our throats again? The point that despite how idiotic the war of thorns/burning of teldrassil was narratively, they decided that raising one human and turning him into a sleeper agent was somehow worse than literal genocide? Or... how about the point that it's only because he's Jaina's brother that it's somehow the most unspeakable act ever committed in the context of the game, and definitely worth starting a full scale civil war over. The "honor horde" characters are written as traitors and cowards, rather than sneaking around and acting like proxies to the Alliance, they should have just challenged her directly for the mantle... but of course you can't have that, they need to draw this faction pride expansion out and shame an entire faction because they aren't the lawful good alliance. Nope, sorry bud, this narrative is garbage, plain and simple. It's a lazy, rushed, uninspired pile of poo that only gets worse with every patch.
@@therevenant5641 Yeah because nobody in history Horde never did that before. Ogrim never start a rebellion against Guldan or blackhand and slaughter those who loyal to them. Thrall never EVER kill those who drink the blood of manaroth in warcraft 3. And nobody every do the exact same fucking against Garrosh and his tyranny. NO. They just all stay obedience like a loyal dog because you know what it better to have a character submit to sylvanas entirely than having a story of a character stand up for their principle and doing whay they believed is right.
TheRevenant So because a character is popular meaning they shouldn’t make them a villain? I don’t care if you like sultanas or not but sultans character was long time coming. If anything it is even more lazy if Blizzard decide to throw away previous development of making sylvanas a more contentious character over the year to satisfied your head canon. Also there is no evidence that Mop storyline was dislike. At all. Lot of people like it. Blizzard aren’t beholden to you or fan base. They are not obligate to make you guy feel good. They obligate to writes story they see fit. It clear you don’t like wow story since the beginning. You jut has a character you like and you don’t want that character to get hurt.
@@MrVlad12340 The orcs have no excuse either. They drunked the demon blood willingly. And there's also the fact that the elements didn't assist them during the draenei genocide, so they should've known that it was wrong but they still did it anyway.
Infiniti Flux still a big difference - they hardly knew the extent of the Deal with the Legion that included Blood drinking. Gul’Dan and Ner’Zul knew, others? Not as much. Sylvanas has no influence or anything and yet does genocide.
Okay sylanvas wrong for killing the people. But alince did the same with BoD. Like what's the different zandalari we're not even with horde fully at that point, and asking for his draught to be hostage.... For the banshee Queen the ture horde.
Genn wasnt asking for his daughter as a hostage in Alliance (aka real) version. Him being a dick was added by Zandalari scout who told the tale. And Dazar Alor wasnt ruined, civilians werent slaughtered like night elfs and Zandalari WERE fighting for the Horde back then already.
I don't think you get to participate in this scenario if you did not help saurfang out previously, and if you do it's at the behest of sylvanas who you've told everything to.
@@TheStereovenom it is illogical. It is much easyer to kill trator and shaman-cheater when they are in jail. Same as Aliance. But I must help them because banshee say. On another hand, rescue Ashvain is same pointless.
The only thing about seige of orgrimar 2 electric boogaloo I will enjoy is getting to kill Nathanos he is the worst character. I am convinced the person who wrote him in BFA is trying to make his own self insert Cold steal style fan fiction
Wow, did not see the bit where Lor’themar leads the rescue effort coming. That’s a massive relief tbh. I really was not looking forward to him being a raid boss. This whole situation still sucks major balls. Cairne was the one who spoke up for Sylvanas in the first place, the reason she could be in the Horde. This is how she repays us?
VladTutushkin not exactly surprising. She caught Baine in the act: she knows exactly what he did, and what he did was indeed treason. It’s not surprising that she isn’t politically savvy enough to realize that this has made about half the Horde really really mad (or know that even a sham trial would quiet the anger). It’s just disgusting that she won’t spare his life for the sake of Cairne. Everyone acknowledges that he did commit treason, there isn’t any dispute. She could have exiled him though.
VladTutushkin while it’s true she never cared about honor, at one point she did value people who helped her. But I guess that hasn’t been true at least since Wrath, since now we know it was she who betrayed Varimathras rather than the other way around.
@@MrVlad12340 So it was a betrayal to you? I have to laugh... and the Alliance didn't even asked for help either...the real invasion happened after Arthas's comeback from Northrend and all happened real fast... and btw after the invasion they helped this asshole of Garithos...
I can already see if there will be 3 factions you"ll just choose the corrupted undead horde Instead of the new one that will born at the end of the expac
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Love Thrall's new look, certainly better than his last two.
Theriomancer he gives me Kratos vibes especially in that CGI trailer lol. We just need Thrall to start saying BOY
That sneaking part... An Illusion, WHAT WERE THEY HIDING!?
it is good to see .. Thrall and Jaina are fighting together , again
jaina still doesn't listen to her father. Still together her father's murderer...
:d you right
but actually , her father killed himself . Thrall and Rexxar didnt want to kill him
as a result they are her father's killers. jaina will regret and cry again. Because chose horde again:) "why woldn't you listen father." But too late jaina...
Did Saurfang threw a shade to the killing of Rastakhan?
Finally, Blizz letting Lor'themar do something
He did lead the entire invasion and assult on Thunder Isle.
Jin the banana from the left Ironically the last time we saw him do something was when the horde overthrew their last war chief. Really sums up the “aw shit here we go again” meme.
I'm just going to let out my giddiness now: "AWE YEAH, O-G THRALL IS BACK!"
Aaaah Thrall you looks so good and just sound amazing
Raiden SSJV he looks awful tbh haha.
@@arvidtonning6348 Nah mate he looks great back with his ancesteral roots now hopefully of the course of his story he will put back on the doomhammer armor
Been years since I quit wow but gotta watch this for my man Thrall !
how others see the rest of the expansion
: play WOW
me: see it in youtube
Is that Ussoh from the tauren heritage armor questline?
Garrosh 2.0 continues to be an awful storyline.
I guess the "current" develop team will try to avoid this, they might force Sylvanas to abdicate and let Thrall return.
Sylvanas is smart and patient, she can switch her strategy once she release she cannot rule the horde. and wait for the chance (if she really loves to be warchief, I think not)
Still, I guess Sylvanas is a very mature and cool blood leader, if she has plan to conquer the Alliance and Appease the horde in the same time, I bet horde will conquer the Azeroth.
Yes, I am a night elf player and I think Sylvanas is better leader IF she has considered the both sides of her policy.
NightWolf3342 she cant rule the Horde. Simple as that. She treats them as disposable tools and thats exactly what Horde strives NOT to be. And her “victories” are a fruit of plot armor and writer bias that made her into a pure Mary Sue “Dark”.
@@MrVlad12340 "Can't rule the Horde" The difference between Garrosh and Sylvanas is, Sylvanas knows this truth and she can step back for a while, Garrosh knew that and just tried to take down everyone against him. I guess it's about the flexibility of their strategies, not how they treat people.
It always annoyed me when people say garrosh 2.0 Imo she's WORSE
NightWolf3342 even if she steps back she will die. You cant step away from genocide.
Oh shit... here we go again.
something tells me we'll get a cinematic for this 13:50
I wouldn't get your hopes up...remember defeating Gh'uun? There was 0 dialogue or any kind of cutscene after defeating a god...was kind of sad.
Dapper Cat well they don't usually do a cinematic for the entry raid for an expansion, and it wasn't an actual old god
@@Thegriff19 ikr. This is lore can cinematic or cinematic in game. (Quests) raid non-cinematic arent lore i mean small lore/end.
@@Thegriff19 ulduar olds god wasnt cinematic. U know same zones small lorr quests
@@Thegriff19 they also did that with yogg-saron, and in an way, c'thun, so that does not surprise me, though disappointing to know because of how important g'huun was lorewise to the beginning of this expansion
I feel like everyone is going to turn on Sylvannas.
SilentStorm5O5 or Sylvannas turns on everyone 🤗
Thrall 💪🏻
When characters ask Prince Erazdim about what "upgrades" he would recommend they get, he has unique responses depending on class. Could you possibly show the full set of these?
Stay your hand we only here to....eh
Saurfang heroics lep !!!!!
He is always fast to kill horde soldiers. Too bad he cant do this with certain arch-druid.
Adrik Ruk he allowed Sylvanas to finish him, but she had to play her twisted mind games again and ordered him to do that.
@@RukAdrik He did not killed him because he has honor, sylvanas has none, I can't wait to kill her. For the Alliance!
You know, I don't understand why no one actually challenges Sylvanas to a one on one for the title of warchief? I mean the Warchief position isn't an absolute, unshakable position. It's clear more than half the Horde hates her at this point in time, with only the Forsaken and the Otherworld Orcs still supporting her.
So many people hate her and yet they don't try the most direct method and instead uses methods that causes infighting and weakening themselves. It's honestly surprising the Alliance hasn't won yet with how much internal conflict going on.
Most likely because they do not trust that she would give a fair duel or a duel at all..After Garrosh Carine duel can't blame them, sylvanas is 10 times more-I will do anything to survive and win.
Implying Sylvanas will 1v1 you properly without mind control, necromancy, poison and whatever else comes to her head.
@@masterexploder9668 Aye
3 truths of the world of games:
- If there is "Leon" has "Ada";
- If there is "Chris" there is "Wesker";
- If there is "Jaina" has "Thrall".
I always thought that Jaina and Thrall should be together. There were hints in the books.
@@ОбальдМногострельный I always shipped them back in the day xD
Thrall is married with kids man...
@@navyflyboy07 You mean the kids that he never mentions, we've never seen, with his wife that hasn't been seen in public for about 10 years of lore?
is Thrall using Durotan Axe ?
You know i had hopes for BfA story and always tried to defend it but really Blizzard just fire all of your writers, they suck at making the characters motivations be known and are only infuriating the player base in a bad way.
I blame the Activision (Investors). Blizzard no longer has any say
how much you wanna bet that illusion was a n'zoth thing
how much you guys wanna bet that vision was a n'zoth illusion
Nah this it's blizz nowdays
Huh still thrall appears out of nowhere and disappears to nowhere......And each second this seems like saving voljin from Harrisburg but needs the alliance too........
That's how he ditch garrosh with the weight of warchief, didn't try to help; just up and left for cataclysm control.
Not even an "i'll brb" just up and left and return to be a blameless hero. Didn't even help voljin on his warchief choice.
What's the ADDON for this Graphic's Quest Talk/Turn on PLEASE :O
I believe it is "immersion", enjoy.
Mathieu Jost use it with “DynamicCam” it’s so good seriously makes the game feel entirely new
6:04 Another Dark Warden?
Well since Sira is reborn as dark warden, it is possible for the horde to create an army of darl wardens
Oh fucken great... as if Sira wasnt enough now we have more of this lorebreaking shit.
Yes...more dark warden
DrowsyTaurus thats just moronic. They cant even give Sira proper motivation but HEY lets make more of those, amiright?!
DrowsyTaurus blizz just want to hurt night elf players as much as possible.
MoP 2.0... sigh
Yeaaaa but they are trying to make it more indepth. Keyword trying
MirrorMajishion they’re trying so hard lmao
It’s too obviously Mop 2.0. They are gunna throw a curve ball.
@@uniackesummers5948 Let's hope so, doesn't change the fact that the journey (what we're playing through currently) is pretty much identical though.
@@Ash-qd2ke yea lol. Like there are things i like but its kinda meh overall
Whats that addon for quest ui change?
Immersion
@@noone182 thank you bro :*
Even loyalist do the same scenario... so if you have been choosing Sylvanas side this whole time you still just "going along" so every choice you make is completely useless and from it looks right now it won't lead anywhere.... That's some poor writing right there.
Its the first time we can chose any side... little bit hard..., arent you?
@@MircoBeier am not hard on the game it's just criticism.
Why put it in the game in the first place if its going to have no impact on your story. It just makes you believe for a moment you made a changeing impact on the story but in the end it just going to be about a toy or something like that....
Is that an addon the quest look way differ then my
i wonder evef if we choose to sever sylvie's head from her body she would still use her val'kyr to revive?
you trying to play without the UI is just more confusing and distracting than having it up the whole time.
I don't like UI :(
M O R A L L Y G R A Y
More like morally gay
@@JasonSmith-fe2fx
No that's me
whats the name of the AddOn for quests ?
Immersion
Why do they have to repeat events from mop ? Is it really that hard to think of a good story? It's bad enough they ruined the mystery of N'zoth too
exactly why Im not subbed lol. Ill just watch the story on RUclips
AAhh Lo'themar! A quest from you?? how generous ;) #LookAtHowAwesomeHeLooks #SorryNotSorryForCrushingOnHim
What’s up with Thrall’s look?
Plot twist : Thrall is just another orc player named Thrall with a frostwolf transmog
Hope the mages got the same animation like jaina
Is that an addon?
ok so what if as alliance i think i just want to leave him because all those taurens that charge at me in battleground are so annoying
Hmm, the vision said sylv spoke a word and his life flickered out. Is that just saying she made the order and he was executed, or has she gained a new power (such as with the blade) so she can literally say one word and kill even a leader like baine? If the latter, that's a big issue for both factions, any power like that is sure to corrupt the user
It's probably just a reference to her ordering his execution, prophetic visions tend to be vague and it gives the impression that if no one helps save Baine then he is gonna die.
what happened to story blizz?. half ass of Garrosh story?.
Soo.. No choice ?
I have to help the green pickle ?
So does not matter what you choose before? Sylvanas or varok everybody will do this?
In this questline matter only saurfang scenario choice.
Hows the questing Addon called?
Immersion :)
Lol, what happened to jaina's hate for the horde. It comes and goes does it?
Baine went out of his way to return Derek to Jaina, despite Sylvanas's plans for him, and is paying the price for it. It doesn't take much to see that Jaina sees that Baine stands for the Horde she used to respect, and it won't likely return to it without him.
Jaina will cry again... To be with the horde. (Father why wouldn't you listen)
When playing a Horde toon did you fight the night elf Dark Warden? I know she is in the Alliance version.
Yes
"This is like MoP... this is Garrosh 2.0".... But then PLOT TWIST, instead of another siege of Orgrimmar we have the SIEGE OF STORMWIND, because the Banshee Queen went there to blight the fuck of it in an effort of winning the war.
That would be cool.
I kinda expected just a bit more than "stop now go now stop now go wait stop now okay go" buuuut lets say its fine
We have this part with Thrall but it's a small part
So did Thrall cast anything? Can't really tell! Or is he straight warrior now?
he lost his connection to the elements at Legion, he gives you(if shaman) the doomhammer and retires to nagrand with his wife
At last the regent lord make his move. Time to fight against sylvanas
Things I would fix/change in this scenario:
- There should be a reaction dialogue when Alliance and Horde see each other, instead of standing around awkwardly untill the door opens and then talk afterwards.
- Horde guards should react to the betrayal of the player - Saurfang and Thrall instead of yelling "Kill the Alliance" (which there aren't any)
- Orc Peons shouldn't be stealthed as well during the sneaking part.
- Thrall should be fighting more as a shaman instead of a warrior.
- Enemy NPC's and Alli/Horde Hero characters should have more abilities to spam/use. It's boring to dps race a fight down where the enemy only casts 1 spell and a charged Blast wave, while Jaina only casts frostbolts (But has insanely awesome spells to burst down shields?) Fights need to have more flair in general, that's why I liked that the battlemages blinked, it didn't change a lot but it made the fight more immersive.
but Thrall isn't a shaman anymore
Imo from the looks of it the mission was way too easy, u just see enemies and then spam skills. Id prefer if the enemies had some thought put into them, like they give status effect skillshots or if they become vulnerable when u hit their status weaknesses or something like that. Theres a lot blizzard could do even with this outdated mmo combat, but they are just lazy.
Also the stealth section could actually be challenging.
What’s that questing Addon called?
Immersion
Lor'thremar: Sylvanas has the loyalty of the people.
Actual Horde players: Fuck Sylvanas.
These orcs dare attack Thrall? Did they forget that Thrall forged this horde?
Sylvanas' knows how to manipulate a narrative in her favor… to the blind at least.
Other question. How dares Thrall to attack his own people? Another alliance boot licker
099Nitro because they are serving banshee bitch.
@@099Nitro What about your Sylvie now. Will you fight her now?
@@furdieallianz2079 Lol I join N'zoth before I help filthy alliance.
i hope that Thrall still is freaking powerful shaman
Sorry to break it to you, but he lost his power during legion as a part of the shaman order hall questline. He no longer has any shamanistic powers due to the spirits most likely abandoning him. Also doomhammer i now long gone.
@@Darkhonores spirits abandon him? but for what?
@@masterofcolddark6892 The Elements probably abandoned him because for his duel with Garrosh. They were having a Mak'gora which is a duel, only physical and no magic what so ever. During that duel he kinda abused his power and used the elements agianst him. Not sure if he forced the elements to do his bidding or they did it themsleves. But after that they abandoned him. Hope you understand, explaining isnt my strongest skill
I'm not sure if that is the real explination anymore either but is the most accepted and likely.
@@Darkhonores I hope he gets them back, maybe he goes on a quest to form a Doomhammer from Azeroth's elements as a quest to get them
"Sylvanas has the loyalty of the people"... populism reference?
They are horrible judge of character
Now, this IS what the Horde is about.
Sneaking around like cowards and killing your allies is what the horde is all about? Blizzard seems to think so.
@@therevenant5641 Missing the point if that's all you see. ...You honestly don't think Sylvanas wouldn't do this to those who'd oppose her?
This is about rescuing Baine! Letting Baine die or killing him is wrong.
@@Skollshorties Exactly what point am I missing here? The fact that blizzard has decided to reuse a (greatly disliked I might add) storyline from only 2 expansions ago? The point that they've decided to villain bat the hell out of one of their most popular characters, drag an entire faction through the mud while making us feel bad just to ram this hamfisted narrative down our throats again? The point that despite how idiotic the war of thorns/burning of teldrassil was narratively, they decided that raising one human and turning him into a sleeper agent was somehow worse than literal genocide? Or... how about the point that it's only because he's Jaina's brother that it's somehow the most unspeakable act ever committed in the context of the game, and definitely worth starting a full scale civil war over. The "honor horde" characters are written as traitors and cowards, rather than sneaking around and acting like proxies to the Alliance, they should have just challenged her directly for the mantle... but of course you can't have that, they need to draw this faction pride expansion out and shame an entire faction because they aren't the lawful good alliance.
Nope, sorry bud, this narrative is garbage, plain and simple. It's a lazy, rushed, uninspired pile of poo that only gets worse with every patch.
@@therevenant5641 Yeah because nobody in history Horde never did that before. Ogrim never start a rebellion against Guldan or blackhand and slaughter those who loyal to them.
Thrall never EVER kill those who drink the blood of manaroth in warcraft 3.
And nobody every do the exact same fucking against Garrosh and his tyranny. NO. They just all stay obedience like a loyal dog because you know what it better to have a character submit to sylvanas entirely than having a story of a character stand up for their principle and doing whay they believed is right.
TheRevenant So because a character is popular meaning they shouldn’t make them a villain? I don’t care if you like sultanas or not but sultans character was long time coming. If anything it is even more lazy if Blizzard decide to throw away previous development of making sylvanas a more contentious character over the year to satisfied your head canon.
Also there is no evidence that Mop storyline was dislike. At all. Lot of people like it.
Blizzard aren’t beholden to you or fan base. They are not obligate to make you guy feel good. They obligate to writes story they see fit. It clear you don’t like wow story since the beginning. You jut has a character you like and you don’t want that character to get hurt.
Yet everything in game feels like none of this is happening... outdated game design still imo
So, how come I don't get to hear Laura Bailey's sexy voice?
Terrible plot development, lazy writing
What? Sylvanas is going nowhere, she is going to be the ultimate savior, in the end, you will see.
@@kiretoandslimglarus If Sylvanas doesn't die this expansion I will never care about lore again, Fucking hate Sylvanas to the core.
So the rest of the Horde and the Tauren are just cool with Sylvanus executing Baine?
For the Dark Lady.
#ThrallSaveTheHorde
LMAO they brought trhall back .... The fanfics are getting worse and worse with each patch
thrall-
Who's that big guy just chillin in the corner?
Looks like a sea giant.
@@andreware2039 it is Scrogg or Sea Giant as they more widely known.
@@MrVlad12340 why is he just chillin? Don't wanna do any Killin?
manoj joshi he is part of that faction that Horde freed from Naga, so i guess he is friendly with them now.
I love how quest still give you 2 gold and shit. LIke WHY WOULD I GET OUT OF BED IN THE MORNING?!
So we are under Orgrimmar again? 8.3 Final Raid will be "Another Siege of Orgrimmar"... Pathetic
literally mop
When did Thrall join the Alliance?
What the hell are they gonna do? Overthrow Sylvanas?
More or less.
Civil war stuff ya know Warchief stuff
Sylvanas #NotMyWarchief
Yes over throw her. Believe it or not she's going to be imprisoned or she'll ran off just what garrosh did
AshZwynn she’ll ran lol blizz already said the she’ll never be imprisoned
For the Dark Lady!
Distract a room full of sexy Dark Rangers and Wardens. Oh I can think of a few ways... better have high stamina for this one!
They all cold and dead... plus dark wardens shouldnt even be a thing.
Everyone against sylvanas yeet
Where is goel's doomhammer?
Broken after Legion campaign (just as all other artifact weapons)
My last hope is that blizzard turns Sylvanas into a homeostasis like illidan. Just..don’t make her die..please!!
She committed genocide. She cant be “redeemed” or “excused” in any way.
@@MrVlad12340 so did the orcs, and people like them.
Infiniti Flux orcs were jacked up on demon blood, she has no such excuse.
@@MrVlad12340 The orcs have no excuse either. They drunked the demon blood willingly. And there's also the fact that the elements didn't assist them during the draenei genocide, so they should've known that it was wrong but they still did it anyway.
Infiniti Flux still a big difference - they hardly knew the extent of the Deal with the Legion that included Blood drinking. Gul’Dan and Ner’Zul knew, others? Not as much. Sylvanas has no influence or anything and yet does genocide.
For King Anduin! Free that cow in chains!
Okay sylanvas wrong for killing the people. But alince did the same with BoD. Like what's the different zandalari we're not even with horde fully at that point, and asking for his draught to be hostage.... For the banshee Queen the ture horde.
Genn wasnt asking for his daughter as a hostage in Alliance (aka real) version. Him being a dick was added by Zandalari scout who told the tale. And Dazar Alor wasnt ruined, civilians werent slaughtered like night elfs and Zandalari WERE fighting for the Horde back then already.
yeah no...the bitchh queen can never be the true horde.
But I dont want to rescue trator
And i didnt wanted to butn Teldrassil and yet we were forced to. Now its our time to feel good about the story.
and I dont want another a corps elf bitch for the warcheif yet the fanbois are heads over in necro for her.
I don't think you get to participate in this scenario if you did not help saurfang out previously, and if you do it's at the behest of sylvanas who you've told everything to.
@@TheStereovenom it is illogical. It is much easyer to kill trator and shaman-cheater when they are in jail. Same as Aliance. But I must help them because banshee say.
On another hand, rescue Ashvain is same pointless.
Baine is a trader and this isn't a horde quest, it's an alliance one
Gustavo Diaz it’s actually got 3 versions.
Baine learned all he could from Gallywix, his prices are una-VOID-able.
The only thing about seige of orgrimar 2 electric boogaloo I will enjoy is getting to kill Nathanos he is the worst character. I am convinced the person who wrote him in BFA is trying to make his own self insert Cold steal style fan fiction
Well Steve Danuser who is a lead writer of WoW happens to “be” Nathanos. Even model is his lookalike (minus ten tons of nerd fat).
Ugh graymane is worse id say an eye for an eye
Jeralt's Horde Jeralt Greymane at least not a hamfisted self insert of a horny dev.
Wow dat jaina's frost beam
I take it nobody brings healing items lol
I'm so done with the lore
Please stop hiding and unhiding your UI. It's insanely distracting.
Wow, did not see the bit where Lor’themar leads the rescue effort coming. That’s a massive relief tbh. I really was not looking forward to him being a raid boss. This whole situation still sucks major balls. Cairne was the one who spoke up for Sylvanas in the first place, the reason she could be in the Horde. This is how she repays us?
What jars me that there wasnt even a trial. She issued an execution order in secrecy.
VladTutushkin not exactly surprising. She caught Baine in the act: she knows exactly what he did, and what he did was indeed treason. It’s not surprising that she isn’t politically savvy enough to realize that this has made about half the Horde really really mad (or know that even a sham trial would quiet the anger). It’s just disgusting that she won’t spare his life for the sake of Cairne. Everyone acknowledges that he did commit treason, there isn’t any dispute. She could have exiled him though.
Well obviously she never cared or respected Cairn, just used him like she's used many others before him.
Sunwalker Edaaga as other poster says. She has no respect or regard towards anyone, she sees every other being as lesser, and treats them as tools.
VladTutushkin while it’s true she never cared about honor, at one point she did value people who helped her. But I guess that hasn’t been true at least since Wrath, since now we know it was she who betrayed Varimathras rather than the other way around.
Horde kills horde! Nice!
Still mad about this blood elf butchery...
While burning of mass civilian is already forgotten. It will only be a place which burned.
Belf always be traitor
First alliance
Second legion
And now horde must taste belf tricky treachery
@@yanaskhoir3657 when did they bretayed the Alliance and the Legion?
Bigouini when they left the Alliance after Second War and refused to help them with a rising Scourge.
@@MrVlad12340 So it was a betrayal to you? I have to laugh... and the Alliance didn't even asked for help either...the real invasion happened after Arthas's comeback from Northrend and all happened real fast... and btw after the invasion they helped this asshole of Garithos...
I hope to god those fight will be nerfed cause they seem pretty long
Think he's just undergeared
I don't give a shit about sylvanas. But can blizzard be less original
looking at this swish swoosh makes me think that this is a japan-made game and not wow, lol it's annoying me
Traitors to the Horde
If Thrall is a “traitor” then you arent Horde.
sylvanas was also a traitor back in MoP
"TeLl YoUr KiNg He Is NoT AlOnE"
These three and Lor'themar. All these people need to be put down. Traitors!
I can already see if there will be 3 factions you"ll just choose the corrupted undead horde
Instead of the new one that will born at the end of the expac
Boooooooring
Im yet not goin to join the horde for such thing...
...BUT I DI WILL SAVE BAINE HE IS A REALLY GOOD COW >:V
Bah, this is stupid i want to side with sylvanas, stupid Blizzard...