It's WARcraft, not PEACEcraft go play hello kitty if you do not like fighting. Blizzard is so lazy they will do the siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well. The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
We could do a whole series of missions based around the alliance’s massive network of spies in the horde that apparently reaches the upper levels considering the intel they got
The only way they can redeem this is if they are gearing for a "third" faction kind of thing. Since there is an actual split in the horde player base for those siding with her and those who dont.
Jaina: ,, Still remember that one time after Theramor, when I was insane,tryed to drown Ogrimma with the help of an artefact and a wave made out of water elementals,nearly one-shoot you and got turnd away from that idear after Kalecgos came?"
"A home that still stands, can you say the same for Teldrassil?". I don't know why but there is just something pleasing about hearing one of the more amoral characters in the game deliver that line. If I remember correctly, Shaw was literally born and raised to be a spy and assassin so it really says something when some like that is disgusted with what someone else has done.
Shaw is definitely one of the more aggressive Alliance leaders. If he and Jaina teamed up (She the public face, and him the military arm) they could very well depose Anduin and destroy the Horde. This might be pointing to his true motives...he's pissed off.
Exactly, that’s what I always thought. Like everytime the alliance only wins because of Jaina. If she wasn’t in the alliance, the alliance would’ve been crushed a thousand times already
@@Enchantix00Sasori Yea, even tho she went on a racist killing spree of innocent people, Blizz just forgot (?) about that and is making her a STRONG FEMALE character!!!1 bs 😑 Man I hoped we'd get to kill her in the raid..
Actually it looks more like Sylvanas will just up and leave once 8.2-8.2.5 is done and will do her own thing... while this storyline is somewhat repeating how it was in MoP (there are differences), I honestly doubt Blizzard would do a literal Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0, at worst we'd get a short scenario like here where Sylvanas would be ousted.
And then shrek comes in and claps his ass cheeks and Sylvanas says I don’t feel good mr.stark and gets yeeted into diablo immortal...the true darkness she saw in her death.
@@Mr_Edwards_1995 "What are yer doing ... IN MY GAME?" **farts** "Fun isn't something one considers when clapping his cheeks, but this... this _does_ but a smile on me face."
I don't think Sylvanas would want an open civil war. Because that would be stupid-it would mean she loses. Garrosh tried crushing the 'traitors' openly and the Alliance just swept in, threw their lot in them, and wiped him out. The Horde is on the retreat right now and she's in a very bad position. More likely she intends to wipe out her enemies through subterfuge and her new Dark God 'friend'.
Anyone wanna clarify who saurfang was talking about with Mathias shaw? When he said a sovereign king slain in his own home was he talking about llane wrynn and garona?
yea that was a reference to zanda. However crying like that when you know...you burning a tree full of civvies that call it home isn't cool in actual war. Its the lowest thing you can do and guess what you belonged to the side that did it.
@@chromeshellking Their own fault for living on a flammable tree but that tree was cursed anyways if you actually had played as a night elf in their starting zone or read the back story of how that world tree was made you would know it did not have the blessing of the green dragon flight like the other world trees so no connection to emerald dream anyways. It was always lame how the night elves moved to a tree island instead having mount hyjal as their capital anyways that tree island was only made after warcraft 3 before then it made more sense for them to be at war with the horde and joining the alliance
Blizzard is so lazy they will do siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well. The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
This is definitely not MoP all again. First of all, we burn the world tree Tedrasill and not bombing Theramore. Second we did not go all the way to rescue Voljin because he's dead, but instead we're rescuing Baine. Third Thrall did not come out of his retirement to help us in this cause. Oh wait that's one is on the same. 😅 Oh yeah btw, we definitely did not have to deal with anything related to the old god. Neither the heart of yog sarron or the underlings of nzoth. 😁
Why did I pay for an expansion where the storyline is a carbon copy of MoP? I thought I was paying for original content? If I honestly knew this storyline was going to be about a Horde split again, helping Jaina and Shaw kill Horde members, getting in good graces with the Alliance - I seriously would not have paid money for it.
@@MrVlad12340 The war started when Genn ordered you to steal the Azerite in Silithus from the Goblins, kill all the Horde researchers and tested out the Azerite by bombarding the shore of Orgrimmar.
Enchantix00Sasori what the fuck you just said? Goblins killed Explorer’s League in Silithus before they even started mining Azerite. So they started it. And Genn wasnt testing any azerite weapons near Orgrimmar what the fuck you even saying?
Well, lesbians are seen as hot while gays are seen as disgusting in our society. I mean.... I see this like that aswell but I dont wont to do it. Homosexuallity is something Blizzard should include one day.
@@furdieallianz2079 "Homosexuality is something Blizzard should include one day." No just no. They already gave representation in Overwatch already I want them to keep that away from the WoW story. Players come to WoW for escapism especially politics. They want nothing to do with it. They want an epic story not Jaina Scissoring Sylvannas.
Blizzard is so lazy they will do siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well. The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
Xal'atath has Void powers. Nathanos is strong enough to fight even against Tyrande. Calia Menethil was resurrected by Naaru power. Blizzard can make some explanations.)
Would the horde leaders ever do this, to try and rescue an enemy faction leader? And will we hold a tribunal for these criminals after the war ends? They cant get away with what they did
No the Horde won't make the same mistake as they did with Garrosh. There's only one antidote for Sylvanas's corruption and perversion of the Horde and that's an axe through her skull.
@@alexander1055 Nah whats gonna happen is that she'll use Xal'atath and become some hulking old god monstrosity and once she's beaten back into her normal self Saurfang and Baine are gonna slide in and slap her till she's dead like this ruclips.net/video/3IzuFRJ5RKc/видео.html
Orcs should've left Azeroth long time ago and come back to Outland They basically has come with war to another world, killed tons of humans and then they were like "Geez... Those humans are so racist, we are actually a good race!"
@@Nick-di9dv and I can't wait to see people make those. At least with Garrosh the "he did nothing wrong" was treated as a joke by everyone, but with Sylvanas people are seriously thinking that she has this grand plan to save everyone as well as "testing them" 😂😂😂 It's bizzare seeing as the narrative is obviously setting her up to fail.
@@andreware2039 , well unlike Garrosh she didn't say anything straight up evil and agents the horde. She never something like: "I will kill all who don't agree with me" Or "let them came I will kill who challenge me" and similar phrases who sounds evil. Sylvanas also didn't kick out any one from the horde like Garrosh did with the darkspear trolls And even with saurfang , he was betrayer only after he refused to came back. She didn't went all Garrosh and that's why many people have still trust and call her a warcheif. They only one one damaged by Sylvanas as the warchief is baine and saurfang. Not Taureans, not trolls no orcs, just these two. Not to mention these 2 really acted in a way that even in our world called betrayal- refuse to orders, assistance to an enemy and stealing weapons and property (stealing the ship and realising Derek). I think it's too early to say that she is like Gerrosh. Unhonoroble -yes, doing what ever she can, no matter the cost to achieve her goals- yes ,Garrosh -no. Also Sylvans said how the horde is the only thing keeping her and her people alive, why would she want to kill them or raise them as an unded ? How it gonna help her ? She don't want to rule the world ... She just want her people not to wipe out. She isn't perfect and not exactly a good person to represent the horde but Sylvanas was that all the time, maybe she even became better, after arthas death she started to help her people (the forsken) no to die for good, before they were just arows in her quiver.
You wont see that happen , no matter how some people badly want it because she is sec fav character after arthas , what happen when arthas died 70% left wow , if they kill sylvanas there wont be nothing left of wow anymore , she might not be warchief anymore in story but she will probably run away
NightWing yes and because whole entire Alliance leaving and then half/third of the Horde leaving too is less then her fanclub. And dont be a moron, Arthase’s death havent affected the sub numbers. If anything Lich-Cata was the highest moment of WoW subscriptions, it is dubious Cata performance that started the downfall.
It's WARcraft, not PEACEcraft go play hello kitty if you do not like fighting. Blizzard is so lazy they will do the siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well. The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
ba sillah you spewing bullshit, as usual. WAR can be against literally anything from naga to demons to voild lords. Faction war is boring, pointless and leads nowhere narratively thats why we getting “a repeat of MoP.”
Different factions, different mindset: "For The Alliance!" -This kind of player wants only peace and happy ending for World of Warcraft. "For The Horde!" -This kind of player wants the war to comes as the first, let the peace-bringer dies while another powerful light sparks within the shadow of the destruction of the Horde to act as the only hope to save Azeroth from Sylvanas's destruction. This kind of player wants a kind of ending where hope returns to save the world. Or -This kind of player seeks for destruction and a painful/sad ending for World of Warcraft with entire Azeroth destroyed. Most of them have no mercy for life.
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It's WARcraft, not PEACEcraft go play hello kitty if you do not like fighting.
Blizzard is so lazy they will do the siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well.
The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
We could do a whole series of missions based around the alliance’s massive network of spies in the horde that apparently reaches the upper levels considering the intel they got
So much for "Sylvanas is not Garrosh 2.0"
The only way they can redeem this is if they are gearing for a "third" faction kind of thing. Since there is an actual split in the horde player base for those siding with her and those who dont.
We really don't see third faction even beta shadowlands.
Mop 2.0 siege of orgrimmar part 2.
We deserve a Thrall and Jaina hug in a cinematic. C'mon.
Jaina: ,, Still remember that one time after Theramor, when I was insane,tryed to drown Ogrimma with the help of an artefact and a wave made out of water elementals,nearly one-shoot you and got turnd away from that idear after Kalecgos came?"
This is still in beta stage so well get one once the patch is released.
"A home that still stands, can you say the same for Teldrassil?". I don't know why but there is just something pleasing about hearing one of the more amoral characters in the game deliver that line. If I remember correctly, Shaw was literally born and raised to be a spy and assassin so it really says something when some like that is disgusted with what someone else has done.
Yes, he was actualy a protege of Edvin Van Cleef.
Shaw is definitely one of the more aggressive Alliance leaders. If he and Jaina teamed up (She the public face, and him the military arm) they could very well depose Anduin and destroy the Horde.
This might be pointing to his true motives...he's pissed off.
Every alliance hero in one place - jaina: Fails
Every alliance hero in one place +jaina: wins
A Mary Sue?
@@trorisk Jaina is pretty much a Mary Sue since she has no flaws and is depicted as perfect and stronger than any other being.
@@Enchantix00Sasori She DOES have a flaw. She's lovesick. XD
Exactly, that’s what I always thought. Like everytime the alliance only wins because of Jaina. If she wasn’t in the alliance, the alliance would’ve been crushed a thousand times already
@@Enchantix00Sasori Yea, even tho she went on a racist killing spree of innocent people, Blizz just forgot (?) about that and is making her a STRONG FEMALE character!!!1 bs 😑 Man I hoped we'd get to kill her in the raid..
Baine wasn't supposed to say something?
Jaina gave us the silent treatment as well.
What the hell is gonna happen next? A civil war amongst the Horde?
again
Actually it looks more like Sylvanas will just up and leave once 8.2-8.2.5 is done and will do her own thing... while this storyline is somewhat repeating how it was in MoP (there are differences), I honestly doubt Blizzard would do a literal Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0, at worst we'd get a short scenario like here where Sylvanas would be ousted.
And then shrek comes in and claps his ass cheeks and Sylvanas says I don’t feel good mr.stark and gets yeeted into diablo immortal...the true darkness she saw in her death.
@@Mr_Edwards_1995 "What are yer doing ... IN MY GAME?" **farts**
"Fun isn't something one considers when clapping his cheeks, but this... this _does_ but a smile on me face."
I don't think Sylvanas would want an open civil war. Because that would be stupid-it would mean she loses. Garrosh tried crushing the 'traitors' openly and the Alliance just swept in, threw their lot in them, and wiped him out. The Horde is on the retreat right now and she's in a very bad position.
More likely she intends to wipe out her enemies through subterfuge and her new Dark God 'friend'.
Just wondering but do D&D write for wow?
Anyone wanna clarify who saurfang was talking about with Mathias shaw? When he said a sovereign king slain in his own home was he talking about llane wrynn and garona?
i think it was about Rastakhan in his own capital.
yea that was a reference to zanda. However crying like that when you know...you burning a tree full of civvies that call it home isn't cool in actual war. Its the lowest thing you can do and guess what you belonged to the side that did it.
@@chromeshellking Their own fault for living on a flammable tree but that tree was cursed anyways if you actually had played as a night elf in their starting zone or read the back story of how that world tree was made you would know it did not have the blessing of the green dragon flight like the other world trees so no connection to emerald dream anyways.
It was always lame how the night elves moved to a tree island instead having mount hyjal as their capital anyways that tree island was only made after warcraft 3 before then it made more sense for them to be at war with the horde and joining the alliance
ba sillah tree was cleansed from the Curse in the novels.
@@MrVlad12340 You do know they said that about Teldrassil before only to have it still be corrupted yes? Read your lore
_Sylvannas wont turn into a Garrosh 2.0 scenario_
"As you can see, the Sylvanas Bossfight uses different mechanics." -Blizzard, later this year probably
Just JUST Let me get This Clear..
This is not MoP again right? (Tbh i miss MoP alot )
Blizzard is so lazy they will do siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well. The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
This is definitely not MoP all again. First of all, we burn the world tree Tedrasill and not bombing Theramore.
Second we did not go all the way to rescue Voljin because he's dead, but instead we're rescuing Baine.
Third Thrall did not come out of his retirement to help us in this cause. Oh wait that's one is on the same. 😅
Oh yeah btw, we definitely did not have to deal with anything related to the old god. Neither the heart of yog sarron or the underlings of nzoth. 😁
:D do i see pvp vendors?
I hope so. We need them back.
Go!Go!Go! Alliance!!
Why did I pay for an expansion where the storyline is a carbon copy of MoP? I thought I was paying for original content? If I honestly knew this storyline was going to be about a Horde split again, helping Jaina and Shaw kill Horde members, getting in good graces with the Alliance - I seriously would not have paid money for it.
I am not gonna buy the next dlc.
Thrall did not cast even once. No more shaman powers!
well he did lose his powers
this reminds me of Tai Long’s prison from Kung Fu Panda
the Alliance has to save the Horde. Once again.....
You mean after they incited the whole war and tore them apart? Plus the Horde had to save your ass many times too
Enchantix00Sasori when Horde ever “saved” Alliance? And this war started when Sylvanas decided that genocide is fun.
@@MrVlad12340 The war started when Genn ordered you to steal the Azerite in Silithus from the Goblins, kill all the Horde researchers and tested out the Azerite by bombarding the shore of Orgrimmar.
Enchantix00Sasori what the fuck you just said? Goblins killed Explorer’s League in Silithus before they even started mining Azerite. So they started it. And Genn wasnt testing any azerite weapons near Orgrimmar what the fuck you even saying?
@@Enchantix00Sasori those goblins had orders to kill on sight.
did that picknic date was for 2 female goblins?
i mean im ok with thist, just asking
well seems like it, either that or the game glitched out and put 2 females by accident.
@@gekkokkid Glitch out is likely.
Well, lesbians are seen as hot while gays are seen as disgusting in our society. I mean.... I see this like that aswell but I dont wont to do it. Homosexuallity is something Blizzard should include one day.
@@furdieallianz2079 "Homosexuality is something Blizzard should include one day." No just no. They already gave representation in Overwatch already I want them to keep that away from the WoW story. Players come to WoW for escapism especially politics. They want nothing to do with it. They want an epic story not Jaina Scissoring Sylvannas.
@@arnowisp6244 Ok youre right. Thats why we have Whorecraft I guess. 😁
I'm watching this and I'm internally screaming kick the damn spells
pummels on two actions bars... never used.
I bet you wouldnt have to cut your deaths out if you used your victory rushes
Blizzard is so lazy they will do siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well.
The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
Why jaina has no voice
why is Jaina the only one without vocals?
cuz PTR :)
who do you think will be the final boss of BFA?
Nzoth? :D
@@noone182 maybe
Xal'atath. Or Natanos. Or Calia Menethil. I want something unexpected.)
@@lastfullast8819 what make you think they would be? they doesn't even have superpowers like sylvie or n'zoth.
Xal'atath has Void powers. Nathanos is strong enough to fight even against Tyrande. Calia Menethil was resurrected by Naaru power. Blizzard can make some explanations.)
Anyone else wonder why he didnt battleshout?
Probably the same reason he never used victory rush until he got murdered at 3:40.
Would the horde leaders ever do this, to try and rescue an enemy faction leader? And will we hold a tribunal for these criminals after the war ends? They cant get away with what they did
Y'all take this shit way to seriously.
No the Horde won't make the same mistake as they did with Garrosh. There's only one antidote for Sylvanas's corruption and perversion of the Horde and that's an axe through her skull.
CoughDerekProudmoreCough
@@Husker_XIII Can't wait for Sylvanas to travel back in time to an alternate Universe.
@@alexander1055 Nah whats gonna happen is that she'll use Xal'atath and become some hulking old god monstrosity and once she's beaten back into her normal self Saurfang and Baine are gonna slide in and slap her till she's dead like this ruclips.net/video/3IzuFRJ5RKc/видео.html
Damn, Noonezz's defence sucked. Those Goblins at the beginning nearly killed him
Look at the chat.
no audio??
PTR
Aren't we all just a nice little group here, Orcs and Humans...?
FOR THE ALLIANCE!!!!!!!! 🔵🔵👑
YEEEE
great vid, bad exansion
Why?
It's only test
I think they will explain all in cutscenes or cinematics
I have no doubt
@@cjg3496 I have doubt
Crowmaster understandably but have hope my friend
Noone182 bad writing, bad storytelling?
Orcs should've left Azeroth long time ago and come back to Outland
They basically has come with war to another world, killed tons of humans and then they were like "Geez... Those humans are so racist, we are actually a good race!"
@Jeremy G. Rainthong would be different but it would be horrible writing
Guess Activision were too cheap to pay for Laura Bailey or she was too busy with critical role to voice jaina here.
so happy Jaina isn't manic anymore,back to her rational self.Must be because of Thrall.
True.
I'm happy too. But it isn't because of thrall
because of the writers
I'm pissed off that her, mechatorque, and genn aren't dead
Devin Campbell whatever Mechatorque did to you?
Garrosh 2.0
@JoJo is not an anime So she is a Mary-Sue?
Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0? No thank you.
Yep. I hope we at least will kill Sylvanas cause as usual Thrall comes in to bail Horde out.
I am sure that after it would be videos like " Sylvanas did nothing wrong".
Can't wait!
@@Nick-di9dv and I can't wait to see people make those.
At least with Garrosh the "he did nothing wrong" was treated as a joke by everyone, but with Sylvanas people are seriously thinking that she has this grand plan to save everyone as well as "testing them" 😂😂😂
It's bizzare seeing as the narrative is obviously setting her up to fail.
@@andreware2039 , well unlike Garrosh she didn't say anything straight up evil and agents the horde.
She never something like: "I will kill all who don't agree with me"
Or "let them came I will kill who challenge me" and similar phrases who sounds evil. Sylvanas also didn't kick out any one from the horde like Garrosh did with the darkspear trolls
And even with saurfang , he was betrayer only after he refused to came back.
She didn't went all Garrosh and that's why many people have still trust and call her a warcheif.
They only one one damaged by Sylvanas as the warchief is baine and saurfang.
Not Taureans, not trolls no orcs, just these two. Not to mention these 2 really acted in a way that even in our world called betrayal- refuse to orders, assistance to an enemy and stealing weapons and property (stealing the ship and realising Derek).
I think it's too early to say that she is like Gerrosh. Unhonoroble -yes, doing what ever she can, no matter the cost to achieve her goals- yes ,Garrosh -no.
Also Sylvans said how the horde is the only thing keeping her and her people alive, why would she want to kill them or raise them as an unded ?
How it gonna help her ?
She don't want to rule the world
... She just want her people not to wipe out.
She isn't perfect and not exactly a good person to represent the horde but Sylvanas was that all the time, maybe she even became better, after arthas death she started to help her people (the forsken) no to die for good, before they were just arows in her quiver.
You wont see that happen , no matter how some people badly want it because she is sec fav character after arthas , what happen when arthas died 70% left wow , if they kill sylvanas there wont be nothing left of wow anymore , she might not be warchief anymore in story but she will probably run away
NightWing yes and because whole entire Alliance leaving and then half/third of the Horde leaving too is less then her fanclub. And dont be a moron, Arthase’s death havent affected the sub numbers. If anything Lich-Cata was the highest moment of WoW subscriptions, it is dubious Cata performance that started the downfall.
Again, Alliance forgives the war crime Horde does. Again, the excuse is bad leadership. Getting tiring.
It's WARcraft, not PEACEcraft go play hello kitty if you do not like fighting.
Blizzard is so lazy they will do the siege of org part 2 but Syvannis will take Garrosh's place in it they have already shown they have the Goblins down there again as well.
The story clearly has only the alliance as the main characters with horde leaders getting killed almost every expansion.
ba sillah you spewing bullshit, as usual. WAR can be against literally anything from naga to demons to voild lords. Faction war is boring, pointless and leads nowhere narratively thats why we getting “a repeat of MoP.”
True. Blizzard is alliance biased af. Disgustingly.
099Nitro lol, they are Horde biased to hell and back.
@@MrVlad12340 there are humans everywhere while Horde gets villain battet. Try again alliance boy.
099Nitro every where? Point me out anyone that isnt Jaina or occasional Shaw.
I dont wanna sound rude but
...you do are quite meh at arms warrior.
As always :D
@@noone182 *pat*
Nothing against ya, okay? :)
@@alexwolf551 kk :)
it's like the alliance enjoy getting betrayed xD
fool em once shame on me. fool me twice,,,
Both sides were betrayed be each other numerous times. Alliance (humans and night elves) betrayed the most.
Erghh why is retail on my recommend list 💩💩
Different factions, different mindset:
"For The Alliance!"
-This kind of player wants only peace and happy ending for World of Warcraft.
"For The Horde!"
-This kind of player wants the war to comes as the first, let the peace-bringer dies while another powerful light sparks within the shadow of the destruction of the Horde to act as the only hope to save Azeroth from Sylvanas's destruction. This kind of player wants a kind of ending where hope returns to save the world.
Or
-This kind of player seeks for destruction and a painful/sad ending for World of Warcraft with entire Azeroth destroyed. Most of them have no mercy for life.
Did you eh..Ebay this character? because you don't know how to play a warrior!
eBay :D idc about it :)
I swear arms warriors suck. My alt is one