I have both guns. Browning needed repaired before we could use it. (The action would stick closed). After repair (2months), it is usable but not nearly as smooth as the Beretta. After using the Browning for 3 weeks the bluing is starting to wear off. The high gloss finish is much nicer but every nick or scratch shows up white. The oil rubbed finish on the Beretta is much easier to touch up. The Beretta has cast, the Browning does not. The Browning is wider and heavier, and seams more controllable with less felt recoil. The Beretta shoots 3-4 inches low, were as the Browning shoots exactly where they said it would. And both barrels shoot in the exact same place. The Browning has an adjustable trigger and a bit longer lop. They both have the same advertised comb drop, but my eye sits lower on the Berettas. Beretta comes with 5 chokes and a plastic case, the Browning has 3 chokes and a cardboard box. I feel the Beretta is better quality, and the Browning is a better shooter. My son prefers the Browning, and I prefer the Beretta. (He is a better shooter than me). Hope this helps others to make a decision, but it probably just makes it harder.
"The Beretta has cast, the Browning does not. " THIS is a huge difference that the reviewer did not mention. Great for right hand shooters. I've had both and kept the Brownings only because I shot them better AFTER I had cast off added to the stock. In general I agree with Joe Blo - You'll shoot more rounds before repair with a Beretta, but the difference is not enough to choose one over the other. Choose the one that you shoot best!
The Browning it's not wider, he measured and Beretta it's wider. Browning it's higher action, that's why it looks like that. But if you pay attention when the guns are on the table, you see very clear that Browning it's thinner on action.
I am not to fond of how the Browning looks, so I have owned many other brands. But last year I shot a B525 and it fitted me perfect and I shot a lot better than ever before. So now I own the gun I never wanted, and I love it.
My wife and I have just bought 525s based on the fitting session we had. We both struggled to mount SPs but the 525s we pretty much ‘bang on’ right out of the box.
I’ve had my Browning 325 from new when they first came on the market in 1988, so it’s now 30 years old. It’s never been serviced or needed a repair, I had the stock tweaked a couple of years ago to bring it into line with my ageing body and apart from some minor blemishes it is perfectly sound and tight and shoots as good as the day I bought it. It has been used for everything from club clay shoots, major competitions, pigeons and game days, driven and walked up, so it has a lot of use. Even if I gave it away now, it would not owe me a penny but I bet I’d still get a fair px price for it against another new Browning!
Roger Kent it will be zero Roger. They price from around £700 to what I paid roughly. Mine is pretty mint and still stiff, it’s like new. I went for the 325 because they have such a good reputation and are bomb proof. I’ve had it over a year now and it’s not missed a beat. I don’t think I could have spent my money any better. Thanks for reply!
Hi, just changed my Beretta 682 gold e for a Browning Ultra xs. The Beretta was a better finished gun , but the Browning fitted me like a glove off the shelf, improved my score immediately. "You pays yer money, you make yer choice!
I'm a beginner, I own a 686 and used a 525 on hire when on holiday. Good to see them compared side by side. I like them both and hit and miss equally with the pair of these standard "decent buys".
I shot a silver pigeon for the first time maybe 15 years ago. It belonged to a friend of mine took me about 12 years to finnaly buy one. Silver Pigeon III and I really like it and have shot about everything you can with one. My buddies wife has a 525 and she does not miss anything with it. I dont think one is better than the other, get what you want.
Been shooting Registured Trap for many years. Both Mfg.companys make great guns..shoot the gun u like...that fits you...100x100 is not that hard to shoot..but it does take practice...good luck to all..enjoy your outdoor shooting sports....train the young people....you will see your rewards...in their smiles...
I also have both and both are Sporting models. My Beretta is a 2018 production 686 Silver Pigeon 1 Sporting with 30 inch barrels purchased new. The Browning is a 1992 production Sporting Clays Pigeon purchased used at a real bargain price due to the poor condition of the wood. BTW, have re-cut the checkering to sharpen it up and have 8 coats of 100% Tung Oil applied so it's starting to look quite nice. Note, Shotgun Shooting is something I took up in April of 2018 so I am a bit of a newby. So when I managed to break 20 and shoot a 22 at Trap this year the credit has to go to the Beretta. However the Browning is so close in actual shooting quality that I am quite certain it will also yield similar results. What is noticeably different is the effort needed to cock the action. Granted the Beretta is still pretty tight and the Browning well broken in but it requires about 1/2 the effort to cock the Browning. Note, I'm just started learning Skeet and currently use the Browning for Skeet. This allows my to grab and go when a field opens up instead of spending time changing chokes. I can also report when you grab a shotgun set up for Trap and get a perfect center hit on a bird at station 8 in skeet with a full choke that clay will completely vanish into a cloud of dust. While that was fun my miss rate was noticeably higher. To sum it up either the Beretta or the Browning will serve anyone quite well. In fact in my opinion they are completely equal. I will also not that if you see a nice gun from either make in a Used Showcase with some rather beat up woodwork and a bargain price snap it up. All it takes to refinish a stock and forearm is Time and less than 1 pint of Tung Oil.
I've owned 'em both. Still have the Brownings because they fit me better (after the straight stock was "bent" for some cast off). I really prefer the Beretta action, but don't have a solid reason for this. Both are excellent shotguns.
I’ve had my Silver Pigeon for 4 years now and have been super impressed with it. Three weeks ago I was shooting clays at the range and the action stuck closed after firing the rounds. We all tried to break it open but I gave up not wanting to damage it further. I took it to the dealer I bought it off who sent it to Beretta in Melbourne. Beretta fixed it (just some debris caught in the action) and returned it for no charge. They are a class act, all the way!
It’s why I got the 687 over the 686. I just wanted a bit more of nicer finish on the wood, a game scene on each side of the receiver, gold trigger, deeper and additional engraving with the 687. But I also own a 525 and love it. But the beretta action and lock-up is bullet proof, stronger than the 525. The 525 also can get finicky with its trigger.
I have had the Browning for about 4 years now. I use it for sporting clays and pheasant/Hungarian partridge/grouse in Montana. From high heat in the summer to below zero in winter. I have the 32" barrels. I have enjoyed the gun and have had only one problem, and it occurred several times, which is failure to fire the second shot. On researching this via the Internet, I found that mine was not an isolated situation. Many people have had the same problem and Browning says they will "try" to fix it, but their repair facility would not/could not tell me what was the cause of the issue. One possible cause could be that I was "trapping the trigger" when I had gloves on in the winter. This did occur when I was wearing heavier gloves and when I switched to thinner gloves or no gloves I didn't have the issue that day. Not a great solution, since I needed the gloves for the cold. But, it has happened when I was wearing no gloves shooting sporting clays. So, just a warning that in my opinion the trigger could be causing the problem. It needs to be fully released to reset for the second shot, and if you are wearing gloves or don't fully release it, you may have a failure to fire.
I bought my first OU shotgun in fall of 2021 in LA. Pandemic meant few pieces of any brand were in stock anywhere in my area! First one I found was a 686 Silver Pigeon 1 (field). I bought it after looking it over for 10 minutes and without having fired it. Having used it now 4 times at the range doing trap, skeet, and sporting clays (125 shots each visit), I can honestly say I love it. The one thing I did after the first range trip was to switch the stock Beretta recoil pad (garbage!) with a Limbsaver. The new pad made me love the SP1 even more. After my last range visit I decided to disable the auto-safety. The 686 SP1 field has an auto-safety which engages each time you brake the action and re-close it (i.e. after loading). The 686 SP1 sporter models do NOT have the auto-safety. I removed the piece whole so I can easily restore to factory configuration....but I can't imagine ever doing that.
Thanks for the vid ! (going to get myself a Browning 525 this weekend.. I've practice shot both - hit everything with the Browning - I hope that's a good omen).
Both equal quality shotguns, which one mounts and fits better is the one you should choose. I have a SP1 sporting and have shot almost 20k shells through it in the last few years with no hiccups. Most of those have been reloads for clay games and I have reloaded and shot 3/4 oz to 1 1/8 oz 12 ga shells and barrels have always transferred, lock up still tight shows little to no wear. Truly a gun that will last and you can pass down.
I have a original Beretta 686 Onyx 28" multi choke which is now 35 years old [owned from new] and its never missed a beat and it shoots like a dream. I still shoot in the upper 70s/80s on sporting clays. Also owned a 686 silver pigeon 28" multi choke which I purchased new as a instructors gun and I also shot well with that. Then after 5 years like a fool I sold it. At this point that gun had got through over 100.000 rounds without fault and I sold it for more than I paid for it. there's a small local club that I shoot with and in the last 4 months 3 different members have bought new browning's all 3 have experienced problems with them. I have shot with one of them and it felt less refined and kind of dead in the hand compared to the Beretta. But then I have been shooting the same Beretta for 35 years so I guess I might be biased. My advise make sure the gun you buy FITS you and then stick with it from experience I would say it takes about 6/8 months shooting twice monthly before a new gun starts to feel like part of you. So hang in there . I have a client who has got through 5 different guns in 3 months chasing the holy grail of the magic gun [ which of course does not exist ] The joke is the first gun he bought was perfect but he is just not prepared to practice and improve he wants to shoot 100 straight ..Straight out of the box . Unfortunately Any advice given falls on deaf ears and I guess its his money he is wasting not mine
I have been using a 425 for many years with no problems. Would it be worth changing to a 525 or silver pigeon? Is there enough of a better difference to make it worthwhile?
Well, i have had both. To be honest both are really good. I sold them both when i stopped shooting for a few years. Now starting again so got a dilemma of which one to get. Think it's gonna be both again. Maybe Browning first. Or if i can get a good deal on both new then both it will be.... Whats the price for both?.
Both guns are quite equal, but I veer toward the Browning as the pistol grip is fuller for me it feels like a good chunk of wood as while the Beretta is a bit too slender. The furniture on the Browning in this example is much nicer as well, but looks are not everything... I would and have gone for browning as it has a chunkier feel to it. Nice vid, Cheers!
Hi john im waiting for my license coming through atm, and have watched most of your videos and have found them very good, I went to my local gun dealer with a view to putting money down on either a silver pigeon sporter or a 525 sporter, I was tempted towards the 525 but it felt kind of bony , I brought the beretta up to my cheek and it just felt right, so now as I type I’m well on my way to having it paid up ready for license coming . Cheers dan
Suppose you need a field gun and both guns fit you. Is there a real difference in barrels’ diameter? Beretta field guns have 18.4 mm as a standard, brownings are all backbored to as large as 18.8 or even 18.9. Will there be a considerable velocity loss when shooting lead shot? Gun will be used for game shooting only.
I bought a Beretta 687 Silver Pidgin in 1990. It had a gold inlay of a golden retriever on one side, and I think a gold inlay of a pheasant on the other side? I DO remember the dog, but fuzzy on the other side. The 687 shown here has no golden inlay anything. Cost savings?? Loved that gun! Sold it after car accident, needed the money. Miss it very much. As an aside, what do you think of these INCREDIBLY CHEAP Turkish over/unders? Good value?? Or, junk?? We are talking $300.00 American for one of these!! Amazingly cheap! But look well made. IDK.
I just found the channel thanks for the good content. I've had both Citori, B-25, and 68X shotguns and none of them gave any trouble. The Beretta is easier to rebuild when/if needed but there are very good gunsmiths for any of them. Of those 3 guns I shot the Citori the best simply due to how that particular model fit and balanced for me. The Beretta was next followed closely by the B-25. All 3 were setup for clays games and had digested a good number of rounds through the years without any issues. Get the gun that you can shoot well and that "speaks" to you. Then call it good and try to wear it out on the clays range or hunting fields.
I used first time Beretta Silver Pigeon shotgun in my life shooting a clay . Guess what. I got 10 out of 10. I love this gun. I shoot with one eye closed.
The Browning locking wedge is far more tight and long lasting than the beretta locking system and barretta's are always way more complicated than they need to be
Hi. Loving the videos. I’m on the look for a new used shotgun. The shop has a cesar guerini summit sporting and a browning 525 game for sale. The browning is 200 cheaper. Ideally will be used for rough shooting and shooting clays. Mainly clay shooting. In that I expect to put more rounds through on clays. Which would you recommend. Thanks.
As an absolute novice looking to get into the sport, these two models have repeatedly been suggested as a good starting point. Are there any others you would throw into the hat that I could have a look at buying alongside these two?
@@baburbabur terrible advice, if you mount an over and under properly you won’t get hurt from recoil and using light 21g cartridges for clays through a 12gauge is more than suitable for any clays you might encounter. If you use a semi auto or pump some clay grounds won’t allow them and game shoots most certainly won’t!!
@@tst698 BS, O/U guns are nothing more than a fashion thing. Recoil is not the issue, weight is. An O/U will be nearly twice as heavy and 4 times as expensive as a semiauto. Never heard about shooting compounds not allowing semi auto guns. Besides, all an OU can do is clay shooting, completely useles to hunt because you will not feel confortable carrying such an heavy gun for a long walk in the fields. For that a pump is the top choice. And a pump is ok for a begginers clay practice in 12 gauge. I dont think a begginer will start out with skeeting trough all gauges. There is a long way before that, and when ir gets there, maybe the big fashion will be side by side again, a real mans shotgun.
@@baburbabur funny! We did hunt with O/U & S/S for a few hundred years until today in the Old World. It always worked out and will do in the Future too. Also some national rights don't allow semiautomatic guns. And many hunting clubs don:t accept it too. So your advice was not a good one. An O/U will work fine for hunting and sport shooting. A semi-automatic is nice for some special hunting scenarios, too. But only for some...
That 525 looks very familiar to me, but let's be honest, one hot tub may very well look like another to the average joe Great channel chaps, have learned alot from these videos. Keep up the good work.
The Gun Shop SEEN A USED XT TRAP, IT HAS A 32 INCH REMOVAL CHOKE BARREL AND ADJUSTABLE CHOKES. IT LOOKS UNFIRED, I WAS THINKING ABOUT BUYING IT FOR SPORTING CLAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE HIGH BEAD, LOOKS LIKE MEDIUM TO STANDARD HEIGHT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT'S NOT HEAVY FOR ME, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE LITTLE EXTRA WEIGHT FOR THE SIDE FLYING, DROPPING CLAYS.
My shooting buddy and I have a 525 (mine) and his a Beretta. Always chiding each other over which gun to get. While I'm a dedicated skeet shooter, and have ground 10's of thousands of rounds through the 525, guess which shotgun broke, and broke hard, not the 525,,,,,
I really wanted a browning. But every one I see looks like a huge block. I can get a nicer looking equivalent silver pigeon for cheaper. Someday I’ll figure out which I want and buy it.
Beretta low profile receiver is generally the deciding factor. I prefer Browning. A Beretta/Browning 725 would be more of an apples to apples comparison.
On the berreta you said the barrel sits slightly on the ejectors when its open so when its been worn in you have to give the barrel a bit of pull to open fully, ive been expriancing this issue, would it be as simple as replacing the ejector springs to fix this?/ cheers
I have a 686 that I shoot 20 and 28 in trap. Unlike my 682, which has a screw to keep the barrel selector in place, I tend to switch to the lower barrel on the 686 when I open the gun. Puggy fingers? So when shooting trap singles I always use the lower barrel on the 686. No big deal.
Brian Nemec when you say you shoot 28 in trap singles how does that work I thought it was 25 shots 4 times a round . Just asking because I’m new to all this
Jonny, brilliant comparison - now I'm totally confused about which is best - but I know, 'neither' is probably the true answer..... 😎 Are they really 50/50? As you know I'm also seriously considering the ATA Supersport too, which is my current preference 😅
Knowing this is an older video, however being 35 and doing the hunting course in my country (NL) to hunt, I tend to doubt about what would be best for me. For example, a lot of reviews of shotguns tend to focus on the looks. The amount of engraving, the pattern on the wood, etc. However, although I can appreciate the looks of engraving and strong patterned wood, I couldn't give a rats buttocks if it's there or not. For all my gear and stuff I tend to look for the most robust and practical option with the best specs. Appearance wise I tend to like the black (mostly sports) designs better. However does anyone have advise on which brand and or models to into for my search of a first entry-level premium gun?
@@robinholthuizen8426 Al mijn examens heb ik gehaald, maar met hagel stond ik zo te shaken dat ik in september nog een keer mag. Ik heb al wel meerdere wapens uit mogen proberen. Tot nog toe heb ik gemerkt dat voor mij de prijsklasse geen fluit uit maakt. Er zijn dure modellen die ik verschrikkelijk vond en visa versa. In Nederland zie je vooral Beretta en Browning, dan zit je hoe dan ook goed. Ook Turkse modellen zijn bruikbaar, maar zullen iets meer onderhoud hebben. Het belangrijke is dat het zwaaien en schieten voor jou goed voelt en dat hij geschikt is voor staalhagel. Al met al, als je een wapen neemt wat voor jou fijn schiet, kun je er vanuit gaan dat je er je hele leven mee kunt doen. Vooralsnog zwaai ik zelf fijner met beretta modellen, die met andere vorming lijkt beter bij mijn houding te passen. Kogelgeweren zijn weer een ander verhaal t.o.v. hagelgeweren natuurlijk.
I dont know why but I have always thought of the silver pigeon as more of a lady's gun. No idea where I got that assumption from, maybe from size & weight.
I couldnt possibly pass comment, apart from the following; Beretta are smaller, and as such do lend themselves to a smaller hand, which tend to be attached to ladies. That said, the length of the grip does allow for a larger hand where applicable. Generally speaking, I know fewer ladies with Brownings.
The Gun Shop I am 6 '2" tall and weigh 17 stone with hands like shovels and my silver pigeon fits me like a glove .Dident like the browning .Berreta all the way for me.
I recently bought the Betetta 690. How does it compare to the 525? Are the mechanics on the 690 the same as the SP? Regards From South Africa Love the channel. I've watched all the videos. Keep up the good work
Any chance of a review on the Miroku mk11 sporter? Or at least your thoughts. Found a bargain on a new one down here in Melbourne but can't find a word on them anywhere. Thankyou from the southern hemisphere
Alternatively you could spend 1/3 as much on a good mid grade hand made, hand engraved, hand checkered British SxS and walk the game fields in style. I suppose a new soulless o/u is ok when you’re practicing by yourself! lol 😉👍🏼
The Gun Shop Consider yourself lucky in the UK Jon, the CX and their Ilk are very plain Jane boring Brownings. Aside from those in the US, you have to move up to a 725 which are fine in the field guns but if you want a sporter model then you’re stuck with having a ported barrel. They should really make the 525 available here in America.
i have a Q , are both gun have firing pin get back after hit primer? this is s big issue in older model when you fire lower barrel, make it hard to open barrel since fringing pic stick into primer
Like the chap says its what suits YOU (how much you wan,t to spend n so on) best go to shooty ground with Gun shop and they will let you try `All sorts` I,m sure!! + a coach type chap will assist you?...Ish?
@@randymarsh3636 it honestly comes down to what fits. Browning and Berretta are top notch both. Can't speak for all, but I'm a shorter smaller guy and the Berretta is lighter and fit me well.
Pistols are restricted but allowed for historic collectors, humane dispatch of injured animals, and in some areas, self defence and sporting use (Norther Ireland). Semiautomatic Rim fire .22 long barrelled pistols are legal as long as the barrel length is 12 inches and the overall length is 24 inches, the additional length being created by a steel rod which is sometimes referred to as a Coat Hanger.
Beretta 68 series are the most reliable over under shotguns ever made on this planet. I am wondering why we try to compare anything with this guns take one and will last for generations..
I have both guns.
Browning needed repaired before we could use it. (The action would stick closed). After repair (2months), it is usable but not nearly as smooth as the Beretta. After using the Browning for 3 weeks the bluing is starting to wear off. The high gloss finish is much nicer but every nick or scratch shows up white. The oil rubbed finish on the Beretta is much easier to touch up.
The Beretta has cast, the Browning does not.
The Browning is wider and heavier, and seams more controllable with less felt recoil. The Beretta shoots 3-4 inches low, were as the Browning shoots exactly where they said it would. And both barrels shoot in the exact same place. The Browning has an adjustable trigger and a bit longer lop. They both have the same advertised comb drop, but my eye sits lower on the Berettas. Beretta comes with 5 chokes and a plastic case, the Browning has 3 chokes and a cardboard box.
I feel the Beretta is better quality, and the Browning is a better shooter.
My son prefers the Browning, and I prefer the Beretta. (He is a better shooter than me).
Hope this helps others to make a decision, but it probably just makes it harder.
"The Beretta has cast, the Browning does not. " THIS is a huge difference that the reviewer did not mention. Great for right hand shooters. I've had both and kept the Brownings only because I shot them better AFTER I had cast off added to the stock. In general I agree with Joe Blo - You'll shoot more rounds before repair with a Beretta, but the difference is not enough to choose one over the other. Choose the one that you shoot best!
The Browning it's not wider, he measured and Beretta it's wider. Browning it's higher action, that's why it looks like that. But if you pay attention when the guns are on the table, you see very clear that Browning it's thinner on action.
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The stock and forearm are wider and fill the hands more.
If you shoot them both the Beretta feels thinner, lighter and quicker.
I love the fact that Beretta has easily replaceable hing pins.
Like you said you’ve made it harder to decide for me but I do thank you for your review!
I am not to fond of how the Browning looks, so I have owned many other brands. But last year I shot a B525 and it fitted me perfect and I shot a lot better than ever before. So now I own the gun I never wanted, and I love it.
My wife and I have just bought 525s based on the fitting session we had. We both struggled to mount SPs but the 525s we pretty much ‘bang on’ right out of the box.
I agree. Same thing with me.
I’ve had my Browning 325 from new when they first came on the market in 1988, so it’s now 30 years old.
It’s never been serviced or needed a repair, I had the stock tweaked a couple of years ago to bring it into line with my ageing body and apart from some minor blemishes it is perfectly sound and tight and shoots as good as the day I bought it.
It has been used for everything from club clay shoots, major competitions, pigeons and game days, driven and walked up, so it has a lot of use.
Even if I gave it away now, it would not owe me a penny but I bet I’d still get a fair px price for it against another new Browning!
Roger Kent I’ve not long brought one for £900
Thomas Woolliscroft. I hope you get as much pleasure out of it as I have with mine and going by what you paid then the depreciation on mine is zero!
Roger Kent it will be zero Roger. They price from around £700 to what I paid roughly. Mine is pretty mint and still stiff, it’s like new. I went for the 325 because they have such a good reputation and are bomb proof. I’ve had it over a year now and it’s not missed a beat. I don’t think I could have spent my money any better. Thanks for reply!
Hi, just changed my Beretta 682 gold e for a Browning Ultra xs. The Beretta was a better finished gun , but the Browning fitted me like a glove off the shelf, improved my score immediately. "You pays yer money, you make yer choice!
I have read a lot of comments about Browning versus Beretta and fit always seems to be the deciding factor. The Browning "shoulders" better for me.
I'm a beginner, I own a 686 and used a 525 on hire when on holiday. Good to see them compared side by side. I like them both and hit and miss equally with the pair of these standard "decent buys".
I shot a silver pigeon for the first time maybe 15 years ago. It belonged to a friend of mine took me about 12 years to finnaly buy one. Silver Pigeon III and I really like it and have shot about everything you can with one. My buddies wife has a 525 and she does not miss anything with it. I dont think one is better than the other, get what you want.
I love my Miroku mk 70 sporter 30 inch. Miroku are very popular over hear in Australia and very similar to the 525.
agreed, i have a model 10 sporter and its smooth as at the range.
Been shooting Registured Trap for many years. Both Mfg.companys make great guns..shoot the gun u like...that fits you...100x100 is not that hard to shoot..but it does take practice...good luck to all..enjoy your outdoor shooting sports....train the young people....you will see your rewards...in their smiles...
I also have both and both are Sporting models. My Beretta is a 2018 production 686 Silver Pigeon 1 Sporting with 30 inch barrels purchased new. The Browning is a 1992 production Sporting Clays Pigeon purchased used at a real bargain price due to the poor condition of the wood. BTW, have re-cut the checkering to sharpen it up and have 8 coats of 100% Tung Oil applied so it's starting to look quite nice.
Note, Shotgun Shooting is something I took up in April of 2018 so I am a bit of a newby. So when I managed to break 20 and shoot a 22 at Trap this year the credit has to go to the Beretta. However the Browning is so close in actual shooting quality that I am quite certain it will also yield similar results. What is noticeably different is the effort needed to cock the action. Granted the Beretta is still pretty tight and the Browning well broken in but it requires about 1/2 the effort to cock the Browning. Note, I'm just started learning Skeet and currently use the Browning for Skeet. This allows my to grab and go when a field opens up instead of spending time changing chokes. I can also report when you grab a shotgun set up for Trap and get a perfect center hit on a bird at station 8 in skeet with a full choke that clay will completely vanish into a cloud of dust. While that was fun my miss rate was noticeably higher.
To sum it up either the Beretta or the Browning will serve anyone quite well. In fact in my opinion they are completely equal. I will also not that if you see a nice gun from either make in a Used Showcase with some rather beat up woodwork and a bargain price snap it up. All it takes to refinish a stock and forearm is Time and less than 1 pint of Tung Oil.
Oh yeah, it’s super time consuming to change the chokes…
I've owned 'em both. Still have the Brownings because they fit me better (after the straight stock was "bent" for some cast off). I really prefer the Beretta action, but don't have a solid reason for this. Both are excellent shotguns.
At least someone admits that there is Little logic in the choice, and much more personal opinion.
I’ve had my Silver Pigeon for 4 years now and have been super impressed with it. Three weeks ago I was shooting clays at the range and the action stuck closed after firing the rounds. We all tried to break it open but I gave up not wanting to damage it further. I took it to the dealer I bought it off who sent it to Beretta in Melbourne. Beretta fixed it (just some debris caught in the action) and returned it for no charge. They are a class act, all the way!
Well done. I appreciate a video which doesn’t recommend one find piece over another.
This guy does great technical and practical reviews without the usual BS
It’s why I got the 687 over the 686. I just wanted a bit more of nicer finish on the wood, a game scene on each side of the receiver, gold trigger, deeper and additional engraving with the 687. But I also own a 525 and love it. But the beretta action and lock-up is bullet proof, stronger than the 525. The 525 also can get finicky with its trigger.
Great review, I bought a SP a year ago. I couldn't hit anything with it. I've now traded it in for a 525. love it. it fits me perfectly
I have had the Browning for about 4 years now. I use it for sporting clays and pheasant/Hungarian partridge/grouse in Montana. From high heat in the summer to below zero in winter. I have the 32" barrels. I have enjoyed the gun and have had only one problem, and it occurred several times, which is failure to fire the second shot. On researching this via the Internet, I found that mine was not an isolated situation. Many people have had the same problem and Browning says they will "try" to fix it, but their repair facility would not/could not tell me what was the cause of the issue.
One possible cause could be that I was "trapping the trigger" when I had gloves on in the winter. This did occur when I was wearing heavier gloves and when I switched to thinner gloves or no gloves I didn't have the issue that day. Not a great solution, since I needed the gloves for the cold. But, it has happened when I was wearing no gloves shooting sporting clays. So, just a warning that in my opinion the trigger could be causing the problem. It needs to be fully released to reset for the second shot, and if you are wearing gloves or don't fully release it, you may have a failure to fire.
Really good review. Learning a lot from your videos. More please :)
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Please buy a pad for your bench top!
🤣🤣Thank You Papa !!! I’m glad I wasn’t the only one cringing
It’s gone now anyway.
Thanks for the Video , I’m currently shooting a Beretta 303 Semi Auto . I like the quality and am thinking of upgrading to a 686 Silver Pigeon .
I bought my first OU shotgun in fall of 2021 in LA. Pandemic meant few pieces of any brand were in stock anywhere in my area! First one I found was a 686 Silver Pigeon 1 (field). I bought it after looking it over for 10 minutes and without having fired it. Having used it now 4 times at the range doing trap, skeet, and sporting clays (125 shots each visit), I can honestly say I love it. The one thing I did after the first range trip was to switch the stock Beretta recoil pad (garbage!) with a Limbsaver. The new pad made me love the SP1 even more. After my last range visit I decided to disable the auto-safety. The 686 SP1 field has an auto-safety which engages each time you brake the action and re-close it (i.e. after loading). The 686 SP1 sporter models do NOT have the auto-safety. I removed the piece whole so I can easily restore to factory configuration....but I can't imagine ever doing that.
Thanks for the vid ! (going to get myself a Browning 525 this weekend.. I've practice shot both - hit everything with the Browning - I hope that's a good omen).
Both equal quality shotguns, which one mounts and fits better is the one you should choose. I have a SP1 sporting and have shot almost 20k shells through it in the last few years with no hiccups. Most of those have been reloads for clay games and I have reloaded and shot 3/4 oz to 1 1/8 oz 12 ga shells and barrels have always transferred, lock up still tight shows little to no wear. Truly a gun that will last and you can pass down.
I have a original Beretta 686 Onyx 28" multi choke which is now 35 years old [owned from new] and its never missed a beat and it shoots like a dream. I still shoot in the upper 70s/80s on sporting clays. Also owned a 686 silver pigeon 28" multi choke which I purchased new as a instructors gun and I also shot well with that. Then after 5 years like a fool I sold it. At this point that gun had got through over 100.000 rounds without fault and I sold it for more than I paid for it. there's a small local club that I shoot with and in the last 4 months 3 different members have bought new browning's all 3 have experienced problems with them. I have shot with one of them and it felt less refined and kind of dead in the hand compared to the Beretta. But then I have been shooting the same Beretta for 35 years so I guess I might be biased. My advise make sure the gun you buy FITS you and then stick with it from experience I would say it takes about 6/8 months shooting twice monthly before a new gun starts to feel like part of you. So hang in there . I have a client who has got through 5 different guns in 3 months chasing the holy grail of the magic gun [ which of course does not exist ] The joke is the first gun he bought was perfect but he is just not prepared to practice and improve he wants to shoot 100 straight ..Straight out of the box . Unfortunately Any advice given falls on deaf ears and I guess its his money he is wasting not mine
I have been using a 425 for many years with no problems. Would it be worth changing to a 525 or silver pigeon? Is there enough of a better difference to make it worthwhile?
Thank you for the video i am in the process of trying to decide between the two so found this very interesting.
Glad to be of service
Have owned both Beretta all the way for me. But the browning an excellent gun also
Personal preference also prefer 30" to 28" barrels
Luv this guys delivery, very passionate, the other guy comes across like his dad made him do it.
Mitch or Daniel?
Mitch, he needs lessons from Johnny.
Colin Bell Mitchell no longer works at TGS. We will probably do over his vids when we have completed our current to do list
noooo, i just got Mitch canned for his lack of screen charisma, fast work The Gun Shop, you take no prisoners.
Get in the game or get off the field right?
Well, i have had both. To be honest both are really good. I sold them both when i stopped shooting for a few years. Now starting again so got a dilemma of which one to get. Think it's gonna be both again. Maybe Browning first. Or if i can get a good deal on both new then both it will be.... Whats the price for both?.
Both guns are quite equal, but I veer toward the Browning as the pistol grip is fuller for me it feels like a good chunk of wood as while the Beretta is a bit too slender. The furniture on the Browning in this example is much nicer as well, but looks are not everything... I would and have gone for browning as it has a chunkier feel to it. Nice vid, Cheers!
Hi john im waiting for my license coming through atm, and have watched most of your videos and have found them very good, I went to my local gun dealer with a view to putting money down on either a silver pigeon sporter or a 525 sporter, I was tempted towards the 525 but it felt kind of bony , I brought the beretta up to my cheek and it just felt right, so now as I type I’m well on my way to having it paid up ready for license coming . Cheers dan
I like that suppressed pump action .410 behind Jonathon.
Suppose you need a field gun and both guns fit you. Is there a real difference in barrels’ diameter? Beretta field guns have 18.4 mm as a standard, brownings are all backbored to as large as 18.8 or even 18.9. Will there be a considerable velocity loss when shooting lead shot? Gun will be used for game shooting only.
Interesting question - we shall get the chrono out in the near future
The Gun Shop . Thank you. If you do the test, it will be interesting to see how both fibre and plastic wads behave.
excellent video, thank you so much, what can you tell about Fabarm elos against this guys?
I bought a Beretta 687 Silver Pidgin in 1990. It had a gold inlay of a golden retriever on one side, and I think a gold inlay of a pheasant on the other side? I DO remember the dog, but fuzzy on the other side. The 687 shown here has no golden inlay anything. Cost savings?? Loved that gun! Sold it after car accident, needed the money. Miss it very much.
As an aside, what do you think of these INCREDIBLY CHEAP Turkish over/unders? Good value?? Or, junk?? We are talking $300.00 American for one of these!! Amazingly cheap! But look well made. IDK.
If you want a 20g get the Browning as the Beretta is too light. In 12g the Beretta unless you prefer heavy guns.
I just found the channel thanks for the good content. I've had both Citori, B-25, and 68X shotguns and none of them gave any trouble. The Beretta is easier to rebuild when/if needed but there are very good gunsmiths for any of them. Of those 3 guns I shot the Citori the best simply due to how that particular model fit and balanced for me. The Beretta was next followed closely by the B-25. All 3 were setup for clays games and had digested a good number of rounds through the years without any issues. Get the gun that you can shoot well and that "speaks" to you. Then call it good and try to wear it out on the clays range or hunting fields.
Does no one ever bring up the 525 triggers sticking on the 2nd shot ended up selling mine bought sp1 which I love
I used first time Beretta Silver Pigeon shotgun in my life shooting a clay . Guess what. I got 10 out of 10. I love this gun. I shoot with one eye closed.
The only thing better than a 12G SP1 is the 20G SP1. They are slimmer, lighter and if you are walking all day, a beautiful field gun.
Love your reviews great info
The Browning locking wedge is far more tight and long lasting than the beretta locking system and barretta's are always way more complicated than they need to be
Complicated sells strangely enough!
Hi. Loving the videos. I’m on the look for a new used shotgun. The shop has a cesar guerini summit sporting and a browning 525 game for sale. The browning is 200 cheaper. Ideally will be used for rough shooting and shooting clays. Mainly clay shooting. In that I expect to put more rounds through on clays. Which would you recommend. Thanks.
personalmente con cual te quedarias
As an absolute novice looking to get into the sport, these two models have repeatedly been suggested as a good starting point. Are there any others you would throw into the hat that I could have a look at buying alongside these two?
yep, do not start with an over under, get a pump or a semi-auto your shoulders will tank you
@@baburbabur terrible advice, if you mount an over and under properly you won’t get hurt from recoil and using light 21g cartridges for clays through a 12gauge is more than suitable for any clays you might encounter. If you use a semi auto or pump some clay grounds won’t allow them and game shoots most certainly won’t!!
@@tst698 BS, O/U guns are nothing more than a fashion thing. Recoil is not the issue, weight is. An O/U will be nearly twice as heavy and 4 times as expensive as a semiauto. Never heard about shooting compounds not allowing semi auto guns.
Besides, all an OU can do is clay shooting, completely useles to hunt because you will not feel confortable carrying such an heavy gun for a long walk in the fields.
For that a pump is the top choice. And a pump is ok for a begginers clay practice in 12 gauge. I dont think a begginer will start out with skeeting trough all gauges. There is a long way before that, and when ir gets there, maybe the big fashion will be side by side again, a real mans shotgun.
@@baburbabur funny! We did hunt with O/U & S/S for a few hundred years until today in the Old World. It always worked out and will do in the Future too.
Also some national rights don't allow semiautomatic guns. And many hunting clubs don:t accept it too.
So your advice was not a good one. An O/U will work fine for hunting and sport shooting. A semi-automatic is nice for some special hunting scenarios, too. But only for some...
That 525 looks very familiar to me, but let's be honest, one hot tub may very well look like another to the average joe
Great channel chaps, have learned alot from these videos. Keep up the good work.
Avon Potter glad you enjoyed its moment of fame 😉 apologies for not asking permission first.
The Gun Shop SEEN A USED XT TRAP, IT HAS A 32 INCH REMOVAL CHOKE BARREL AND ADJUSTABLE CHOKES. IT LOOKS UNFIRED, I WAS THINKING ABOUT BUYING IT FOR SPORTING CLAY, IT DOESN'T HAVE HIGH BEAD, LOOKS LIKE MEDIUM TO STANDARD HEIGHT, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT'S NOT HEAVY FOR ME, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE LITTLE EXTRA WEIGHT FOR THE SIDE FLYING, DROPPING CLAYS.
saludos desde españa personalmente con cual te quedarias
Hello. Please tell me what is better, more reliable and better than 525 or 686 and why?!
I've shot both, bought the Browning.
Just fit me better.
Hi what about the barrels? The Beretta has chromed barrels doesn’t it? Doesn’t that make it easer to clean?
The browning 525 and 725 does also have chrome barrels
The Gun Shop you legends!
I'm sorry but I couldn't understand what type of wood "walnut" the beretta uses.
My shooting buddy and I have a 525 (mine) and his a Beretta. Always chiding each other over which gun to get. While I'm a dedicated skeet shooter, and have ground 10's of thousands of rounds through the 525, guess which shotgun broke, and broke hard, not the 525,,,,,
Já acompanho o canal faz algum tempo e reparo que já apresentou muitos modelos da berreta, no entanto nunca vi uma apresentação da s58s trap. 🤔
I really wanted a browning. But every one I see looks like a huge block. I can get a nicer looking equivalent silver pigeon for cheaper. Someday I’ll figure out which I want and buy it.
Beretta low profile receiver is generally the deciding factor. I prefer Browning. A Beretta/Browning 725 would be more of an apples to apples comparison.
something that we will get round to eventually!
Horses for courses. At end of day it is what suits/ feels better to shooter.
Hi, I know in the video you couldn’t decide between the better gun. But which gun would you go for a smaller person. Many thanks.
Both have many many models, so its worth noting that speci can have a massive bearing on suitability.
Господа товарищи по охоте , по вашему может быть опыту мнению как знатоков что все таки лучше браунинг или беретта ?
@Kel Kel для охоты по птице и зверю свинец, у нас сталь не используют
On the berreta you said the barrel sits slightly on the ejectors when its open so when its been worn in you have to give the barrel a bit of pull to open fully, ive been expriancing this issue, would it be as simple as replacing the ejector springs to fix this?/
cheers
In my part off Texas the Beretta is the most popular of the two. I am talking about 4-H shooters.
I have a 686 that I shoot 20 and 28 in trap. Unlike my 682, which has a screw to keep the barrel selector in place, I tend to switch to the lower barrel on the 686 when I open the gun. Puggy fingers? So when shooting trap singles I always use the lower barrel on the 686. No big deal.
Brian Nemec when you say you shoot 28 in trap singles how does that work I thought it was 25 shots 4 times a round . Just asking because I’m new to all this
Why nitpick over a few measurements? Go shoot them both and the one you hit with the most is the winner.
So which one is better ?
Excellent vid as usual. I'm wrestling with that very choice at the moment and this vid will be a great help. Thanks!
Hope you make the right choice.
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Jonny, brilliant comparison - now I'm totally confused about which is best - but I know, 'neither' is probably the true answer..... 😎 Are they really 50/50? As you know I'm also seriously considering the ATA Supersport too, which is my current preference 😅
They both has big positives and big negatives but come out at 50:50 sort of.
The ATA super sport custom would be cooler that’s for sure!
@@tgsoutdoors I totally agree 😁😁😁😍
Knowing this is an older video, however being 35 and doing the hunting course in my country (NL) to hunt, I tend to doubt about what would be best for me. For example, a lot of reviews of shotguns tend to focus on the looks. The amount of engraving, the pattern on the wood, etc. However, although I can appreciate the looks of engraving and strong patterned wood, I couldn't give a rats buttocks if it's there or not. For all my gear and stuff I tend to look for the most robust and practical option with the best specs.
Appearance wise I tend to like the black (mostly sports) designs better. However does anyone have advise on which brand and or models to into for my search of a first entry-level premium gun?
Heb je een hagelgeweer gevonden en gekocht? Ik zit in hetzelfde schuitje.
@@robinholthuizen8426 Al mijn examens heb ik gehaald, maar met hagel stond ik zo te shaken dat ik in september nog een keer mag.
Ik heb al wel meerdere wapens uit mogen proberen. Tot nog toe heb ik gemerkt dat voor mij de prijsklasse geen fluit uit maakt. Er zijn dure modellen die ik verschrikkelijk vond en visa versa.
In Nederland zie je vooral Beretta en Browning, dan zit je hoe dan ook goed. Ook Turkse modellen zijn bruikbaar, maar zullen iets meer onderhoud hebben. Het belangrijke is dat het zwaaien en schieten voor jou goed voelt en dat hij geschikt is voor staalhagel. Al met al, als je een wapen neemt wat voor jou fijn schiet, kun je er vanuit gaan dat je er je hele leven mee kunt doen.
Vooralsnog zwaai ik zelf fijner met beretta modellen, die met andere vorming lijkt beter bij mijn houding te passen.
Kogelgeweren zijn weer een ander verhaal t.o.v. hagelgeweren natuurlijk.
Great article, thank you for posting.
What the difference in price
£150 less for the browning
I dont know why but I have always thought of the silver pigeon as more of a lady's gun. No idea where I got that assumption from, maybe from size & weight.
Glyn Jones I must be the ugliest woman alive.
I couldnt possibly pass comment, apart from the following;
Beretta are smaller, and as such do lend themselves to a smaller hand, which tend to be attached to ladies. That said, the length of the grip does allow for a larger hand where applicable. Generally speaking, I know fewer ladies with Brownings.
The Gun Shop I am 6 '2" tall and weigh 17 stone with hands like shovels and my silver pigeon fits me like a glove .Dident like the browning .Berreta all the way for me.
Glen Stevens none of the staff shoot beretta or browning so we have so bias. Beretta make a very versatile gun
Glen Stevens I'm 6ft 6ins and 191/2 stone, with hands like dustbin lids ,and it's Miroku all the way for me !!!.
Which one is really good for steel shot?
what do you think of an E CONTENTO over and under non ejector is it comparable to these shotguns ??
Probably not quite in the same league
are they good guns though just picked it up for 90 quid two triggers a few small blemishes not bad considering it was made in 1968
cant find a lot of details on these guns says made in italy brescia and thats about it
We have sold a few. They are worth £90! Although the metal quality leaves a bit to be desired, but at £90 a very respectable shooter
thank you for the swift reply love your videos cheers
I recently bought the Betetta 690. How does it compare to the 525? Are the mechanics on the 690 the same as the SP?
Regards From South Africa
Love the channel. I've watched all the videos. Keep up the good work
the 690 and 680 are different actions based from the same principle.
I shall do a comparison in a few weeks time
That settles it two of each!
I have the browning it is great for me as I am 12
Late bloomer
Nice gun for a 12 year old.
I am 13 do u recommend it
Gun for kids 🤣 thank you 🤣
725 all the way
Awe both guns mechanic triggers or inertia driven triggers
Really good video!! Both great guns for the money.
Thankyou and we agree, its a hard choice to make, which did you choose?
I own Beretta 686 sp1 sporting, it just fit to my hands-body better.
Any chance of a review on the Miroku mk11 sporter? Or at least your thoughts. Found a bargain on a new one down here in Melbourne but can't find a word on them anywhere. Thankyou from the southern hemisphere
Unfortunately this model isnt offered in the UK, or we would love to
Beretta all the way
Alternatively you could spend 1/3 as much on a good mid grade hand made, hand engraved, hand checkered British SxS and walk the game fields in style. I suppose a new soulless o/u is ok when you’re practicing by yourself! lol 😉👍🏼
$2500-3000 dollar firearms...entry mid level guns?! Wow...
Thanks - very helpful.
Hi whats your opinion of the Browning Citori CXS?
Not a model that is available in the UK im afraid.
The Gun Shop Consider yourself lucky in the UK Jon, the CX and their Ilk are very plain Jane boring Brownings. Aside from those in the US, you have to move up to a 725 which are fine in the field guns but if you want a sporter model then you’re stuck with having a ported barrel. They should really make the 525 available here in America.
drumhd1 ya what’s with the ported barrels that turned me off the gun
Can anybody tell me please, which gun of these two has the smallest recoil?
Reliability is key!! Looks are important if youre a Barbour clad ponce who cant hit the broad side of a barn hahahahah
The wood on the cheaper berettas are awfully plain
i have a Q , are both gun have firing pin get back after hit primer? this is s big issue in older model when you fire lower barrel, make it hard to open barrel since fringing pic stick into primer
The argument on every shooting page ever is always Beretta vs Browning. It always boils down to "What suits and fits you". But i do have a Beretta ;)
Yep. . I have both 2!!!
@@sofalugger in your opinion which is the better made? I'm looking to buy my first shotgun and am looking at both second hand.
Like the chap says its what suits YOU (how much you wan,t to spend n so on) best go to shooty ground with Gun shop and they will let you try `All sorts` I,m sure!! + a coach type chap will assist you?...Ish?
@@randymarsh3636 it honestly comes down to what fits. Browning and Berretta are top notch both. Can't speak for all, but I'm a shorter smaller guy and the Berretta is lighter and fit me well.
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Are those pistols? in the UK?
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Pistols are restricted but allowed for historic collectors, humane dispatch of injured animals, and in some areas, self defence and sporting use (Norther Ireland). Semiautomatic Rim fire .22 long barrelled pistols are legal as long as the barrel length is 12 inches and the overall length is 24 inches, the additional length being created by a steel rod which is sometimes referred to as a Coat Hanger.
525 all the way
In India, the cost of this gun is equal to the price of a mid size SUV. 😢
Did you touch on stock cast right or left?
The Browning is a gun, the Beretta is art ...
Beretta 68 series are the most reliable over under shotguns ever made on this planet. I am wondering why we try to compare anything with this guns take one and will last for generations..
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So is the 525 action the same as a Citori or Miroku Mk70?
Basically- yes
I might get a Winchester 101 instead.
im in the browning club