Lol... I've started self loading 10g with 8 shot. Basically I just point it in the general direction and it hits everything... shooting doubles with one shot... no problem 😂👍
I have a 12 gauge silver pigeon 1 field model. My wife has a 20 gauge 725 browning sport. Both are very different guns in the way they feel, handle, and shoot. At 1k more, the Browning is the fancier gun. That said, I really like them both, but probably prefer the Baretta just slightly (and that could just be the difference in gauge and heft). I'm not an expert on these things, but I'm also extremely impressed by the fit and finish of the browning, and the quality of the wood.
I've had both a Browning 525 and a Beretta 686 and I couldn't hit toffee with the browning, the Beretta fitted straight away, much smoother recoil also. Browning traded in after a month, been a Beretta user ever since, upgraded to the DT10 several years back and never needed or wanted to change.
Started shooting in my late 40s went on for years shooting like a blindfolded man with a succession of berretas then saw a TGS video on the miruko mk60 went straight out chopped my silver pigeon in for a mk60 which is I am reliably informed is basically the same as a browning 525 and have never looked back vast improvement
Jonny and Lloyd - subscribe to you both for a long time now, a truly great combination of talented shooters - Lloyd is the reason I own both an ATA Sporting and a Benelli Supersport Carbon semi - and I still love them both after 2+ years shooting them both 50/50. Which do I prefer to take out?? - 55 to 45 the Benelli - it might me slightly more if cartridge shells spitting out of a semi all over the place didn't happen and need cleaning up on every stand (woodland shoot area, with lots of ground brush) - but I still do really enjoy shooting the ridiculously under-priced and underrated ATA Sporting - cheers Guys for a great video - great banter - more please! 👍👍
I’m from York a majority beretta area and I now live in Wiltshire and I would say when I go to barbury shooting ground it’s a majority beretta area although I shoot better with a browning I prefer everything about the 686 but I’ve recently moved to a ceasar geurini summit which is in another league compared to the beretta
When I was first getting into shooting I was dead set on buying a 686 for my first gun resulting in being a "Beretta Man"....right up until I tried a Browning 525 which just felt and fitted me better. For most people I guess it comes down to off the peg gun fit first, which then turns into brand loyalty?
I’m not a Beretta fan had problems with two separate Berettas and there warranty is non existent they wanted to send me ejectors I’m not a gunsmith I will never buy a beretta again
About rolled out of my chair laughing at Lloyd's impersonation of himself mounting left handed. I tried switching to left for a while and felt exactly the same.
Another great collaboration between Jonny and Lloyd. By far the best on RUclips and I subscribe to both. For the record I have a 695 but the best gun I ever picked up was an ancient battered Liege.
Good lord, watching Lloyd shoot a Beretta sporter through gritted teeth was the best video I've seen for a while. And the winner should have been Miroku.
I'm a browning user and have 3 Citoris. One simple factor got me into them. They build out of the box, high quality guns the fit really small shooters. The Beretta Vittorias are still almost 14" LOP but the Micro and Micro Midas guns from Citori are 13" LOP and can be made even less by simply replacing the butt pad with a thinner one.
The Beretta! You can get extra barrels and have them fitted more easily than a Browning. You can get 28 gauge barrels to fit a 20 gauge frame and get 410 gauge barrels fitted to the 28 gauge frame. Cost about $1200 here in the US
Quite enjoyable video. Many good points made. Eye dominance can be a bit difficult to overcome. I did use a "blinder" for my left ear while learning to shoot right hand while recovering from a chest injury. I did manage a 21 with a 20 gauge during that time. Sadly I've only managed a 23 on two occasions LH with a 12 gauge. Are there two different speeds for skeet there?
Iv owned both sold the 686 after 8 months kept the 525 The berettas look better but for me the browning felt better and fitted properly Both guns are bombproof and a very good choice for anyone who wants one but it’s all about which one fits you
Two of my O/U's are a Citori Cx and a 682 Gold E. I love them both, but they definitely feel MUCH different in the shooting. Impossible for me to say which I prefer.
Over the years I've shot American Trap with 3 different Browning Citoris. Tried a Beretta and at that time to me the action felt like a toy it was so small. Stayed with Browning. Once I held and shouldered a 725 Sporting Clays model I fell in love. The receiver is smaller than a standard Citori but feels solid and the gun points so well. I prefer mechanical triggers from shooting a Remington 3200 Special Trap model many years back. The Rem 3200 was a wonderfully comfortable design and I find the Browning 725 reminds me of that fit. I am left handed and had a laugh watching you guys.
The main difference between them is the weight between your hands. With the Browning the action is heavier and the (perceived) weight less in the stock and (particularly with fixed chokes) the barrels. the Beretta has a more even weight balance. Its not that one is wrong or one right, but that difference explains a lot of the personal preference.
My first gun in 2006 was a 13 year old Beretta 686. I was in awe of it and went from zero to zero plus. I wasn't fussed about brand at that point but then bought a Browning and my shooting improved no end. I have been with Browning ever since. Just recently I bought a new XS Pro after 6 years with an Ultra XTR. Fab!
Been shooting for the past 30 years I own both Beretta and Browning love them both the Beretta is a little more petite slender quicker on point as a bird gun,, Browning seems to work better for me on sporting clays range. Audi versus BMW.... sorry guys you can keep them both when it comes to bang for the buck I'll stick with my Cadillac.
I have 2 shotguns that are a 100% perfect fit for me. One is a 12 gauge Browning Citori Sporting Clays Lightning. The other is a Beretta 687 Silver Pigeon III combo gun in 410/28 gauge. Also have a 686 in 20 and 12 gauge both with adjustable comb stocks that need some fine tuning for fit. While very close to fitting they are off just a bit and I'm still experimenting with the cast on the combs. Anyhow I have 1 foot firmly in the Beretta Camp and one foot firmly in the Browning camp and that wont ever change because I will never sell those perfect fits.
I picked up a Browning Citori 325 with 30" barrels in 12g two years ago. The shotgun is pure magic. Everyone who has shot it hits, including first time shooters.
I am just starting with clays. (I shoot pistol/revolver and rifle) and when I read about Berettas and Brownings I was like - Beretta camp all the way. I was looking at Browning like "what an old clunker with a hole in the bottom of the action. Also they say that for short guys Berettas are more suitable. Then I tried the 525 Trap at the range and boy - I love it. I also tried Berettas 682 Gold and...well i can shoot with it but...I still prefer the Browning. But I realized that it has a customized/shortened stock that fits me. Strangely it fliped me to the camp Browning. :D
Miroku MK38 Trap for everything for me for the last 6 years but I've had Berettas and Brownings since 1980. I just love long light barrels these days but I am very tempted by the 694 Sporter though and of course an SO if I had the money!
Now come on my friend , why are you even thinking of a b£$£&&%, there I go again can't even type that word , don't go down that road it will end tears and cash down the drain . the Miroku will outlast any b%$£%%&.
I'm looking at the SP3 687 or the Browning 725 Field . I love them both. I already have a Citori lighting but want to upgrade. Your feedback would really be huge!
hi there ive had both shooting mirokus at the moment which are brownings i would say there both as good as each other you just need to get out and shoot them and get used to which ever you choose cheers mitch
As of June, 2023, if you need work done on your gun, Beretta USA will keep it for six months, lie to you and then send it back loose in a box. I’ll take a Browning, thanks.
Beretta all day long, for the first 30 odd years I shot Browning and Miroku guns, they all shot well but were all rust buckets, they would rust on the way home if they got wet or sweaty finger marks in the summer, i have had a Beretta for 15 years and have given up cleaning it, it is still as shiney as the day I bought it, I managed to shoot out a Browning and a Miroku, no chance with a Beretta, better made, better steel and the parts on the most parts are interchangeable, Beretta are in a different class
Not sure about the car comparison. Most people, whether they shoot Beretta or Browning seem decent enough... however... most that drive either BMW or Audi seem to be tw@ts! 😁👍
About a year after buying and god knows how much on stock bending fitting etc and dental work on a cracked tooth, I found that brownings fit me better than my beretta 😔 Have I given up and sold it for a Browning? Nope.
What people don’t realise is that fit is paramount. You’d be very lucky to get a gun that fits exactly off the shelf. Better to go for an adjustable comb and alter the length of pull. Then whether it’s Barretta or Browning you will at least start to hit things.
Had two Browning Citori's in the past and they were great! Found myself shotgun-less and needed something for sporting clays and skeet- liked the feel of a new Beretta 686 SP1 32" sporter so I bought it. What a lemon! The receiver and barrels are miss-aligned causing binding on closing and the receiver has a cleft on one inside edge where it hits the monoblock and the monoblock is all scratched and banged up on that side. The USA official Beretta warranty gunsmiths looked at it and said " nothing we can do- send it back to Beretta"! Beretta , of course, do not answer any of my emails or calls- I will NEVER buy Beretta again, their QC sucks right now. Not happy at all! Back to Browning ASAP!
Same situation here mate, I’ve got a 1999 Lanber sporting deluxe and actually really enjoy shooting it. Not bad for a shotty that a lot of people look down on.
I've shot both browning and Beretta and hands down I prefer the browning shotguns . I shot my first 100/100 in my first ever comp with a browning 525 game full and full .did upgrade to a new browning trap over the next year and I've still got that gun . A adjustable stock is a must on any modern gun as we put on weight and off over time .
Your last statement is so true, Im new to shooting and recently bought my first ever gun tried several different makes, the one I hit the most clays with I bought, was that technically the correct thing to do, no I guess but shooting is 75% in your head so the Browning 525 Sporter has it.... :-)
I brought my first gun just over a year ago a 686e having tried that and a browning I just found although both did fit me and I broke clays with both the beretta just felt better in my hands. A lot of it is mental, having confidence in your tools. If the gun feels good in your hands swings nicely and most importantly fits you then you shouldn’t have an issue. Although you do hear about new gun very occasionally syndrome where people who buy a new gun really like it the first few times they use it and can’t find fault as it’s brand new and looks pretty then when the novelty wears off they realise it doesn’t actually fit them that well and they made a mistake in buying it
I have to agree that the browning is a better clay gun. I have owned both the beretta 686 silver Pigeon sporter and a 692 trap and i coudnt get on with either of them, The Browning 525 Ultra pro has a better sight plain to me.The Ceaser Guerini Summit DTS and invictus DTS are so far out in front of either of them.
I have both, shoot both, but prefer the Beretta, better looking, better shooting, never FTF/FTE. The Brownigns (all 6 bought new, half had problems). They are also boxy, heavy, and swing slow. Other than that they are as good as the Beretta's.
I reckon the Browning and the Miroku are basically the difference between the BMW and the Mercedes. You think it’s the same sh*t, but the first morning you have to drive uphill in the snow and you realize you should have bought the Audi. Just get the Beretta ;)
This is very relevant to me at the moment. I've just started shooting. I had the chance to use both a miroku mk70 and beretta silver pigeon through the local club here. Liked the feeling of the miroku better but come time to buy one they were almost impossible to get locally. I tried out a browning citori which felt almost identical to the miroku so ended up buying that instead
Most Brownings are made in the same factory , at Miroku, in Japan. There are only a very few super high-end Belgian Brownings still being made (B15 etc.) They will feel very similar, many being made on the same tooling using the same metal, parts and wood.
Another great vid, quick question though does the top lever on a beretta matter if it’s directly inline with the safety catch when closed compared to being slightly right of the safety catch when it’s a newer gun? Is this anything to worry about if directly inline? Will parts need replacing soon?
The 525 vs 686 argument needs to be put to bed. Both guns are perfect for starting out. As they said, buy the one that fits. Simple as that. I’ve tried both, and the 686 feels better for me.
Well, i have just one year experience with guns. Bought my browning one year ago. I am very happy with it but i wish i knew some things back then.... For new shooters on limited budget, here are my two cents!: Dont buy a new gun ! Loads of used 686s, 525s or whatever out there for sale. Get one with the barrels you want. Remove the stock, make a new, fitted one and enjoy your new super gun with a cost just a bit more than a new gun! Dont get lost choosing between the brands caesar , browning, beretta etc. They dont matter if they come with their generic "fit all" stocks. Get a reliable used gun and get a custom stock
Hi guys, great video, many thanks for that. I have quick question regarding the skeet shooting. What size of a barrel is better 71cm or 73 cm? If you could expand on it? Many thanks!!!
I have both and have shot each 10s of thousands of times. Ive had problems with the Browning and had to send it back for repairs. The Beretta has worked flawlessly and I believe it is better designed and built. BUT, the Browning shoots exactly where it’s supposed to and the Beretta does not. Both barrels shoot 4-5” low and one shoots 3-4” left. Beretta considers this acceptable. THAT is why I’ll never buy another Beretta.
Men you are jenius i beleve the same.. Brownings point of impact of barells are excellend berettas guns are more beaudy but shoots shit under barrel shoots 15 20 cm low
Japanese Brownings and Mirokus have always just felt “right” for me. I can shot okay with Berettas, but they just don’t point nor come up “right” on me. Chunky Brownings for a chunky bloke.
I seem to remember in one of Lloyd's older vids he says he likes a big lump of a gun. Me too. Berettas (in my limited experience) feel very light and toy like to me. And he likes BMW over Audi too. The man is clearly a genius.
Do y'all have the Browning Cynergy over there? They have an acclaimed great action but are dumb-ugly with the odd checkering on the pistol grip. Probably do well on the 'Continent' with that look.
And the winner is Miroku, an mk38 sport or mk10 sport, better guns than a 525, last a lifetime and are cheaper than both, 686 for me is overpriced for a grade 1 packet gun
Another great watch, but I love my browning.... and exactly it’s not the gun if your a good shoot you will hit anything with any gun... it’s a Long thing pointing at a target all the same 😂😂
Strikes me that this is where the manufacturers have us all bamboozled. The advice goes 1. Spend up to £1000, buy either a new Turkish or a second hand Browning/Beretta/Miroku, based on which fits you best ( And how do you know that? Because the man in the shop says so.) Just so you can see if you like shooting 2. You like shooting? Got a bit of a feel for it? Then trade up to a new Browning/Beretta/Miroku at £2k +/- (Why, because you'll definitely shoot better, with a newer, better gun sir!) 3. Getting the hang of it now are we? Then trade up to something more expensive, with better wood, and pretty drawing on the metal, because it costs more and you'll shoot better with it. 4. But to be really good, what you need is a Blaser, Perazzi, Krieghoff, because now you know what you are doing you will want to spec the gun you want, and make videos about it for youtube. At each step, you spend more., until you get to the point where you are talking to the guys at Longthorne about Celtic engraving whilst standing on their terribly strong barrels. *Not knocking either the gun trade, especially Ron's lanky cousin, or indeed those in a position to buy a decent gun and make videos for youtube Its all interesting, and manmaths makes it all affordable Or of course, ignore all that buy a Baikal, shoot at things and fix fences with it.
@@tgsoutdoors What if, instead of changing guns on a whim, the big manufacturers products were modular. Get fitted for a beretta or browning, decide which you want. Buy the right stock from them. (They could do them short, average and tall spec) Get an adjustabe comb. Then buy barrels to suit your shooting. Is today a skeet day? Take the short barrels, is it sporting? 30", Trap? Want a high rib? There you go. All based on one action, just lots of options. Barrels slip on and off easily enough.
I tried to fit many guns I'm new at skeet it's weird but according to expert gun fit the only one that fit properly was a CZ canvasback for 600 Canadian so I bought it I hope was a good choice idk
I’ve joked about it, but honestly, there’s very little choice in the UK. Whoever your local club has a relationship with, that’s probably what you’ll first shoot with. For me up in Aberdeen, our lodge had a relationship with GMK, so the “rental” guns were Berettas. It’s the first shotgun I put to my face, so to me it feels right. My sight pictures comes from a 686. If you started with a 525 then that would be what frames your sight pictures. Neither are wrong. Neither are right. Honestly, a 525 might be better for me, but I don’t have the opportunity to spend enough time shooting one to make the adjustments. To a run of the mill shot like me, the point is moot. I just ain’t good enough and I don’t have the money to experiment lol. I reckon the reviewer was bang on. It’s a regional thing. What you have available to work with becomes your default, and if you look after them, both the 686 and the 525 will last longer than you.
I have owned several Berettas over the last 40 years and now have a Browning. Still can't hit anything.
Lol... I've started self loading 10g with 8 shot. Basically I just point it in the general direction and it hits everything... shooting doubles with one shot... no problem 😂👍
C’mon dude best comment ever…know how You feel😍
Me too :-)
Maybe get a shooting coach, and honestly you need to be shooting weekly all year around, not just during some one season.
You made laugh so hard my wife came to check if I’m alright 😂
The safety catch on Miroku MK38 Trap is like the indicators on a BWM: tested once at the factory and never used again.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
2 of the best shooting channels in one show fantastic
Americans have a say - "The indian is more important than the arrow".
What does it mean.
@Monti Dell interesting. Thanks for the reply.
Agreed. A shooter can shoot anything. This is partly why kids dont smash clays in the UK. Grab a shotgun and smash it.
But sometimes, its the arrow!
@@shahrozekhurram9836 was wondering that myself!
I have a 12 gauge silver pigeon 1 field model. My wife has a 20 gauge 725 browning sport. Both are very different guns in the way they feel, handle, and shoot. At 1k more, the Browning is the fancier gun. That said, I really like them both, but probably prefer the Baretta just slightly (and that could just be the difference in gauge and heft). I'm not an expert on these things, but I'm also extremely impressed by the fit and finish of the browning, and the quality of the wood.
I've had both a Browning 525 and a Beretta 686 and I couldn't hit toffee with the browning, the Beretta fitted straight away, much smoother recoil also. Browning traded in after a month, been a Beretta user ever since, upgraded to the DT10 several years back and never needed or wanted to change.
Started shooting in my late 40s went on for years shooting like a blindfolded man with a succession of berretas then saw a TGS video on the miruko mk60 went straight out chopped my silver pigeon in for a mk60 which is I am reliably informed is basically the same as a browning 525 and have never looked back vast improvement
Jonny and Lloyd - subscribe to you both for a long time now, a truly great combination of talented shooters - Lloyd is the reason I own both an ATA Sporting and a Benelli Supersport Carbon semi - and I still love them both after 2+ years shooting them both 50/50. Which do I prefer to take out?? - 55 to 45 the Benelli - it might me slightly more if cartridge shells spitting out of a semi all over the place didn't happen and need cleaning up on every stand (woodland shoot area, with lots of ground brush) - but I still do really enjoy shooting the ridiculously under-priced and underrated ATA Sporting - cheers Guys for a great video - great banter - more please! 👍👍
I’m from York a majority beretta area and I now live in Wiltshire and I would say when I go to barbury shooting ground it’s a majority beretta area although I shoot better with a browning I prefer everything about the 686 but I’ve recently moved to a ceasar geurini summit which is in another league compared to the beretta
CG SUPERIOR! PERAZZI KING OF THEM ALL!
I’ve got a browning and an Audi 🤣, does this mean I’m broken? 😂
When I was first getting into shooting I was dead set on buying a 686 for my first gun resulting in being a "Beretta Man"....right up until I tried a Browning 525 which just felt and fitted me better. For most people I guess it comes down to off the peg gun fit first, which then turns into brand loyalty?
I’m not a Beretta fan had problems with two separate Berettas and there warranty is non existent they wanted to send me ejectors I’m not a gunsmith I will never buy a beretta again
About rolled out of my chair laughing at Lloyd's impersonation of himself mounting left handed. I tried switching to left for a while and felt exactly the same.
Another great collaboration between Jonny and Lloyd. By far the best on RUclips and I subscribe to both. For the record I have a 695 but the best gun I ever picked up was an ancient battered Liege.
Good lord, watching Lloyd shoot a Beretta sporter through gritted teeth was the best video I've seen for a while. And the winner should have been Miroku.
Good to see you Lloyd! Great comments as always
Cheers man.
I'm a browning user and have 3 Citoris. One simple factor got me into them. They build out of the box, high quality guns the fit really small shooters. The Beretta Vittorias are still almost 14" LOP but the Micro and Micro Midas guns from Citori are 13" LOP and can be made even less by simply replacing the butt pad with a thinner one.
The Beretta! You can get extra barrels and have them fitted more easily than a Browning.
You can get 28 gauge barrels to fit a 20 gauge frame and get 410 gauge barrels fitted to the 28 gauge frame. Cost about $1200 here in the US
Excellent 😆😎😎 I’ve had both, I now own a Browning B525 black gold! The best gun though is a Benelli semi automatic 😜
Quite enjoyable video. Many good points made. Eye dominance can be a bit difficult to overcome. I did use a "blinder" for my left ear while learning to shoot right hand while recovering from a chest injury. I did manage a 21 with a 20 gauge during that time. Sadly I've only managed a 23 on two occasions LH with a 12 gauge. Are there two different speeds for skeet there?
Iv owned both sold the 686 after 8 months kept the 525
The berettas look better but for me the browning felt better and fitted properly
Both guns are bombproof and a very good choice for anyone who wants one but it’s all about which one fits you
Great video but have to agree with Lloyd on this one,if you feel the need to spec up a silver pigeon then just buy a browning lol
Two of my O/U's are a Citori Cx and a 682 Gold E. I love them both, but they definitely feel MUCH different in the shooting. Impossible for me to say which I prefer.
Over the years I've shot American Trap with 3 different Browning Citoris. Tried a Beretta and at that time to me the action felt like a toy it was so small. Stayed with Browning. Once I held and shouldered a 725 Sporting Clays model I fell in love. The receiver is smaller than a standard Citori but feels solid and the gun points so well. I prefer mechanical triggers from shooting a Remington 3200 Special Trap model many years back. The Rem 3200 was a wonderfully comfortable design and I find the Browning 725 reminds me of that fit. I am left handed and had a laugh watching you guys.
The main difference between them is the weight between your hands. With the Browning the action is heavier and the (perceived) weight less in the stock and (particularly with fixed chokes) the barrels. the Beretta has a more even weight balance. Its not that one is wrong or one right, but that difference explains a lot of the personal preference.
If Ant was there, it would have been the Top Gear of shooting. Jonny/Clarkson, Ant/Hammond and Lloyd/May.. great combination! Beretta for me 💥
I bloody knew I would get compared to May. 😫🤣
We have been making the comparison for a while cpt. Slow
And that combination will be on the cards in the north too distant future.
@@tgsoutdoors pipe down Weasley.
Well I suppose we now know who the Hermione of the group is!!!
My first gun in 2006 was a 13 year old Beretta 686. I was in awe of it and went from zero to zero plus. I wasn't fussed about brand at that point but then bought a Browning and my shooting improved no end. I have been with Browning ever since. Just recently I bought a new XS Pro after 6 years with an Ultra XTR. Fab!
This what we want to see , someone who has proved that Browning do the job
Been shooting for the past 30 years I own both Beretta and Browning love them both the Beretta is a little more petite slender quicker on point as a bird gun,, Browning seems to work better for me on sporting clays range.
Audi versus BMW....
sorry guys you can keep them both when it comes to bang for the buck I'll stick with my Cadillac.
I have 2 shotguns that are a 100% perfect fit for me. One is a 12 gauge Browning Citori Sporting Clays Lightning. The other is a Beretta 687 Silver Pigeon III combo gun in 410/28 gauge. Also have a 686 in 20 and 12 gauge both with adjustable comb stocks that need some fine tuning for fit. While very close to fitting they are off just a bit and I'm still experimenting with the cast on the combs. Anyhow I have 1 foot firmly in the Beretta Camp and one foot firmly in the Browning camp and that wont ever change because I will never sell those perfect fits.
Bought my first Browning 3 months ago, love it so far. Had Mirokus and Bettinsolis, but love this Pro Master I have now.
Welcome to the club 😃
@@tomcharlton1606 shame its stuck in the cabinet for the foreseeable 😢 only had maybe a thousand carts through it before lockdown.
@@w1zardssleeve shooting will come back soon enough. You can still practise your mount in the mean time!
@@tomcharlton1606 It will, in the mean time the knockdown tgts are taking a hammering with the springer 😊
I picked up a Browning Citori 325 with 30" barrels in 12g two years ago. The shotgun is pure magic. Everyone who has shot it hits, including first time shooters.
For me: the Brownings seem to fit me better.
I love vanilla ice cream! (and my Winchester...)
I am just starting with clays. (I shoot pistol/revolver and rifle) and when I read about Berettas and Brownings I was like - Beretta camp all the way. I was looking at Browning like "what an old clunker with a hole in the bottom of the action. Also they say that for short guys Berettas are more suitable. Then I tried the 525 Trap at the range and boy - I love it. I also tried Berettas 682 Gold and...well i can shoot with it but...I still prefer the Browning. But I realized that it has a customized/shortened stock that fits me. Strangely it fliped me to the camp Browning. :D
Got a Pigeon III & a 725 Golden Clays V...STILL a 65%-70% shooter...but damn...I look good!
That is the sim!
Miroku MK38 Trap for everything for me for the last 6 years but I've had Berettas and Brownings since 1980. I just love long light barrels these days but I am very tempted by the 694 Sporter though and of course an SO if I had the money!
Now come on my friend , why are you even thinking of a b£$£&&%, there I go again can't even type that word , don't go down that road it will end tears and cash down the drain . the Miroku will outlast any b%$£%%&.
Great video and great debate. There’s no winner or loser here. It’s what fits you better.
Brilliant chaps! I very much enjoy both of your RUclips channels and collaborations like this are also enjoyable. Well done!
I'm looking at the SP3 687 or the Browning 725 Field . I love them both. I already have a Citori lighting but want to upgrade. Your feedback would really be huge!
I am currentlh in the same situation 😔
What did y end up buying?
There are those who shoot a Miroku. And there are those who are wrong
Steven Trout and since they manufacture Browning and Winchester.......
@@14goldmedals all 725s are made in the miroku factory too
Steven Trout you bet and I love my Browning rifles as well. You can see the pride of the workers in the details. Wonderful craftsmen.
My best skeet scores are always with my game guns.
hi there ive had both shooting mirokus at the moment which are brownings i would say there both as good as each other you just need to get out and shoot them and get used to which ever you choose cheers mitch
As of June, 2023, if you need work done on your gun, Beretta USA will keep it for six months, lie to you and then send it back loose in a box. I’ll take a Browning, thanks.
Earlier this month I was torn between a Citori and a Silver Pigeon. I ended up with the Silver Pigeon. It just fit me better.
You need counseling, that pasta smasher won't hold any value
The Beretta is so much more aesthetically pleasing to the eye
Do you want to borrow my glasses?
Beretta all day long, for the first 30 odd years I shot Browning and Miroku guns, they all shot well but were all rust buckets, they would rust on the way home if they got wet or sweaty finger marks in the summer, i have had a Beretta for 15 years and have given up cleaning it, it is still as shiney as the day I bought it, I managed to shoot out a Browning and a Miroku, no chance with a Beretta, better made, better steel and the parts on the most parts are interchangeable, Beretta are in a different class
Not sure about the car comparison. Most people, whether they shoot Beretta or Browning seem decent enough... however... most that drive either BMW or Audi seem to be tw@ts! 😁👍
Two the best english channel imo, TSC too
About a year after buying and god knows how much on stock bending fitting etc and dental work on a cracked tooth, I found that brownings fit me better than my beretta 😔
Have I given up and sold it for a Browning? Nope.
When Mr Miroku shows up at the duel with a Beretta, I smell something fishy.
Back years ago I had a 682 Sporting and had a set of 20 and 28 gauge barrels for a 12 gauge frame fitted.
What people don’t realise is that fit is paramount. You’d be very lucky to get a gun that fits exactly off the shelf. Better to go for an adjustable comb and alter the length of pull. Then whether it’s Barretta or Browning you will at least start to hit things.
Had two Browning Citori's in the past and they were great!
Found myself shotgun-less and needed something for sporting clays and skeet- liked the feel of a new Beretta 686 SP1 32" sporter so I bought it.
What a lemon! The receiver and barrels are miss-aligned causing binding on closing and the receiver has a cleft on one inside edge where it hits the monoblock and the monoblock is all scratched and banged up on that side. The USA official Beretta warranty gunsmiths looked at it and said " nothing we can do- send it back to Beretta"!
Beretta , of course, do not answer any of my emails or calls- I will NEVER buy Beretta again, their QC sucks right now. Not happy at all!
Back to Browning ASAP!
Love the Silver Pigeons, my son has one. Citori CX just fit me way better. Go with what fits. Can’t go wrong with either brand.
A very enjoyable video. I would now like to see you doing Perazzi v Krieghoff. That would be interesting in view of your recent change Lloyd.
Finally 2 legend together
I have the same feeling when i pick up a Browning it just feels right, and Beretta not quite as much.
I've got an old lanber and I hit more Clay's than my mate's with browning and berettas it's not the gun its the eye behind it
Same situation here mate, I’ve got a 1999 Lanber sporting deluxe and actually really enjoy shooting it. Not bad for a shotty that a lot of people look down on.
I've shot both browning and Beretta and hands down I prefer the browning shotguns . I shot my first 100/100 in my first ever comp with a browning 525 game full and full .did upgrade to a new browning trap over the next year and I've still got that gun . A adjustable stock is a must on any modern gun as we put on weight and off over time .
Your last statement is so true, Im new to shooting and recently bought my first ever gun tried several different makes, the one I hit the most clays with I bought, was that technically the correct thing to do, no I guess but shooting is 75% in your head so the Browning 525 Sporter has it.... :-)
I brought my first gun just over a year ago a 686e having tried that and a browning I just found although both did fit me and I broke clays with both the beretta just felt better in my hands. A lot of it is mental, having confidence in your tools. If the gun feels good in your hands swings nicely and most importantly fits you then you shouldn’t have an issue. Although you do hear about new gun very occasionally syndrome where people who buy a new gun really like it the first few times they use it and can’t find fault as it’s brand new and looks pretty then when the novelty wears off they realise it doesn’t actually fit them that well and they made a mistake in buying it
What were all those shooting eye aids mentioned around 9:30?? I close my left eye, mount right side but want to start shooting both eyes open.
I have to agree that the browning is a better clay gun. I have owned both the beretta 686 silver Pigeon sporter and a 692 trap and i coudnt get on with either of them, The Browning 525 Ultra pro has a better sight plain to me.The Ceaser Guerini Summit DTS and invictus DTS are so far out in front of either of them.
I have both, shoot both, but prefer the Beretta, better looking, better shooting, never FTF/FTE. The Brownigns (all 6 bought new, half had problems). They are also boxy, heavy, and swing slow. Other than that they are as good as the Beretta's.
I reckon the Browning and the Miroku are basically the difference between the BMW and the Mercedes.
You think it’s the same sh*t, but the first morning you have to drive uphill in the snow and you realize you should have bought the Audi.
Just get the Beretta ;)
This is very relevant to me at the moment. I've just started shooting. I had the chance to use both a miroku mk70 and beretta silver pigeon through the local club here. Liked the feeling of the miroku better but come time to buy one they were almost impossible to get locally. I tried out a browning citori which felt almost identical to the miroku so ended up buying that instead
Most Brownings are made in the same factory , at Miroku, in Japan. There are only a very few super high-end Belgian Brownings still being made (B15 etc.) They will feel very similar, many being made on the same tooling using the same metal, parts and wood.
Another great vid, quick question though does the top lever on a beretta matter if it’s directly inline with the safety catch when closed compared to being slightly right of the safety catch when it’s a newer gun? Is this anything to worry about if directly inline? Will parts need replacing soon?
i always enjoy your videos, straight to the point, keep up the good work! a big (beretta) fan from belgium.
The 525 vs 686 argument needs to be put to bed. Both guns are perfect for starting out. As they said, buy the one that fits. Simple as that. I’ve tried both, and the 686 feels better for me.
I agree with Lloyd, I have a 525 and all my buddy’s shoot it they say it fits better than the 686
Well, i have just one year experience with guns. Bought my browning one year ago. I am very happy with it but i wish i knew some things back then.... For new shooters on limited budget, here are my two cents!: Dont buy a new gun ! Loads of used 686s, 525s or whatever out there for sale. Get one with the barrels you want. Remove the stock, make a new, fitted one and enjoy your new super gun with a cost just a bit more than a new gun!
Dont get lost choosing between the brands caesar , browning, beretta etc. They dont matter if they come with their generic "fit all" stocks. Get a reliable used gun and get a custom stock
We agree
@@tgsoutdoors thanks a lot for your reply ! Your videos gave me the push to order an MR stock :-). Love your work,keep it up!
I like both Beretta and Browning,and to me it's the Person Pulling the Trigger. I guess we all have personal Preferences.
Hi guys, great video, many thanks for that. I have quick question regarding the skeet shooting. What size of a barrel is better 71cm or 73 cm? If you could expand on it? Many thanks!!!
I’ve been waiting for this for so long. I can’t wait to see this!
Edit: wasn’t disappointed. Superb!
Was great but unfortunate it wasn't a current production Browning. When did they quit making 525s?
525s are still made. In fact I’ve recently bought one, so if they are not still being made I will need to have a word with my local gun shop.
@@engineer6250 on Brownings site the 525 says discontinued
525 is still made for the U.K. at lease
@@mattdonaldson4439 noooooooooo. I just bought a 525 SL!
Beretta will fire any cartridge. get a batch of slightly hard primers and browning- miroku will do your head in.
Bought of you guy's you do nice show! Congratulations!
The Browning 725 ergonomically just fits me better. Mine just happens to shot better with Briley chokes.
I have both and have shot each 10s of thousands of times. Ive had problems with the Browning and had to send it back for repairs. The Beretta has worked flawlessly and I believe it is better designed and built. BUT, the Browning shoots exactly where it’s supposed to and the Beretta does not. Both barrels shoot 4-5” low and one shoots 3-4” left. Beretta considers this acceptable. THAT is why I’ll never buy another Beretta.
Men you are jenius i beleve the same.. Brownings point of impact of barells are excellend berettas guns are more beaudy but shoots shit under barrel shoots 15 20 cm low
Another good video, thanks guys!
Japanese Brownings and Mirokus have always just felt “right” for me. I can shot okay with Berettas, but they just don’t point nor come up “right” on me. Chunky Brownings for a chunky bloke.
Quite simple, If you enjoy strictly, wear very tight jeans, and have size 7 feet then the Beretta is the gun for you !
Well I never watch strictly, have size 13 feet and I’m 6’4” and shoot a beretta 😂
i think brownings are more reliable
I’ve look at both when I starred 2 years ago and Browning win for myself.
So who win in your option Johnny & Lloyd ??
Who were we fighting in 41? Italians. What were we using? BROWNING.
Yes certainly showed those backwards marchers how to place a shot
I seem to remember in one of Lloyd's older vids he says he likes a big lump of a gun. Me too. Berettas (in my limited experience) feel very light and toy like to me. And he likes BMW over Audi too. The man is clearly a genius.
“Browning. The best there is.” They didn’t lie.
Do y'all have the Browning Cynergy over there? They have an acclaimed great action but are dumb-ugly with the odd checkering on the pistol grip. Probably do well on the 'Continent' with that look.
Beretta - and it needs cleaning all the metal fittings are rusting .
Ive got a BMW 4 series and a Beretta 687. Should I fear for my soul?
😂 only if you care about the judgements of Mr P
And the winner is Miroku, an mk38 sport or mk10 sport, better guns than a 525, last a lifetime and are cheaper than both, 686 for me is overpriced for a grade 1 packet gun
My two favorite Brits.
Brownings handle like trucks, Berettas like sports cars. Both can get you there.
Another great watch, but I love my browning.... and exactly it’s not the gun if your a good shoot you will hit anything with any gun... it’s a
Long thing pointing at a target all the same 😂😂
Strikes me that this is where the manufacturers have us all bamboozled.
The advice goes
1. Spend up to £1000, buy either a new Turkish or a second hand Browning/Beretta/Miroku, based on which fits you best ( And how do you know that? Because the man in the shop says so.) Just so you can see if you like shooting
2. You like shooting? Got a bit of a feel for it? Then trade up to a new Browning/Beretta/Miroku at £2k +/- (Why, because you'll definitely shoot better, with a newer, better gun sir!)
3. Getting the hang of it now are we? Then trade up to something more expensive, with better wood, and pretty drawing on the metal, because it costs more and you'll shoot better with it.
4. But to be really good, what you need is a Blaser, Perazzi, Krieghoff, because now you know what you are doing you will want to spec the gun you want, and make videos about it for youtube.
At each step, you spend more., until you get to the point where you are talking to the guys at Longthorne about Celtic engraving whilst standing on their terribly strong barrels.
*Not knocking either the gun trade, especially Ron's lanky cousin, or indeed those in a position to buy a decent gun and make videos for youtube Its all interesting, and manmaths makes it all affordable
Or of course, ignore all that buy a Baikal, shoot at things and fix fences with it.
All I took away from that is that I need a Perazzi or Krieghoff 😂
@@tgsoutdoors What if, instead of changing guns on a whim, the big manufacturers products were modular.
Get fitted for a beretta or browning, decide which you want. Buy the right stock from them. (They could do them short, average and tall spec) Get an adjustabe comb.
Then buy barrels to suit your shooting.
Is today a skeet day? Take the short barrels, is it sporting? 30", Trap? Want a high rib? There you go.
All based on one action, just lots of options. Barrels slip on and off easily enough.
Is the Browning 525 game in this video with 28" barrels? Greetings from finland
Yes indeed
I tried to fit many guns I'm new at skeet it's weird but according to expert gun fit the only one that fit properly was a CZ canvasback for 600 Canadian so I bought it I hope was a good choice idk
The best Browning is a Miroku.
The best Beretta is a Lambretta.
That's a scientific fact.
What brand of shooting glasses are you using?
Probably Pilla 🙄
I’ve joked about it, but honestly, there’s very little choice in the UK.
Whoever your local club has a relationship with, that’s probably what you’ll first shoot with.
For me up in Aberdeen, our lodge had a relationship with GMK, so the “rental” guns were Berettas. It’s the first shotgun I put to my face, so to me it feels right.
My sight pictures comes from a 686.
If you started with a 525 then that would be what frames your sight pictures. Neither are wrong. Neither are right.
Honestly, a 525 might be better for me, but I don’t have the opportunity to spend enough time shooting one to make the adjustments.
To a run of the mill shot like me, the point is moot. I just ain’t good enough and I don’t have the money to experiment lol.
I reckon the reviewer was bang on. It’s a regional thing. What you have available to work with becomes your default, and if you look after them, both the 686 and the 525 will last longer than you.
For me I will always take the Browning I’ve had two berettas they weren’t the 686 but not a big Beretta fan
What are those earplugs you use?
I can't trust a guy that implied BMW is a good brand even if it may have been a joke!