According to the prosecution the killer ( RA) had 19 min to kidnap the girls, herd them through the woods, across the creek and up the hill to the murder scene and murders them. Then, he spent 1/ 1.5 hr hanging out at the crime scene so he could be seen by other people. Then he decides to walk on the side of a road, muddy and bloody, so everyone who drove on that road, could see him including a police officer. And a witness saw him on that road at 3:50-4:00 pm. Anyone finds this ridiculous?
Yes it’s definitely ridiculous! What’s even more ridiculous is that if you do believe the state’s case, that two beautiful girls were tragically killed & not one of them made a sound…
@@pitchforksforRichie I don't think they proved their case either. If the judge hadn't basically prevented the defense from using their evidence I think it would be easier for the jury to come to a decision. The information I've read about Elvis Fields has been really shocking honestly. Makes you wonder what the cops were doing.
Come on you can do journalism better than this. People are not ‘professing their love for a suspected child killer’ they are demanding an honest judicial process and for the truth of all the facts to be presented to the jury.
@ there were multiple signs, but the vast majority were not professing their love! Why not refer to the ones addressing Gull’s bias? Why not the ones that wanted justice for all involved? Why attempt to make this situation look like a fanatical farce when it was nothing like that at all? There was only one sign saying we love you Rick. One.
News Nation should be ashamed of itself with Ashley trying to push a false narrative. Lindsey, he isn’t a convicted child killer…yet. People are professing the love for Justice and the need to see Justice for the two girls but not at the expense of an innocent man. And I don’t understand why, Ashley, you are trying to make the scene outside the court to be more volatile than it really is. I watch you tubers who are on scene and they are all showing how calm and peaceful it is. People are helping each other with saving places in the lines. I haven’t seen anybody yelling or screaming. And the protests are regarding the judge. Her bias was evident throughout the trial. I hope RA eventually gets a fair unbiased trial.
@ I used to listen to her, probably early on when she was still with Court TV (I think) and when she had her own show. But she fell off my radar. I now see why. I’ve lost respect for News Nation for allowing the kind of rhetoric that we see so prevalent in main stream media.
@@ablair33556 there are 3 credible RUclipsrs in the court - all of them lawyers explaining the process. Idk who else is in there but thank God for Andrea Burkhart, Bob Motta & Lawyer Lee
They did not search holders home . prosecutor said so . This crime and the Flora fire that killed 4 little black girls have been both been blotched by the same Le . Justice for all six .
@@sunuvliberty_III It's possible they aren't divided but are just being extremely thorough and going over the entire case against him. Unlikely though, I'm guessing it'll be a hung jury unfortunately. It should be a not guilty verdict but some jurors don't understand (or just don't care about) the standard of "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt".
@@pburchell1952 I know nothing about tarot cards but you’re right. Somebody posed them identical to those cards. And the branches are almost identical in the way they are positioned on the bodies. Not sure what that represents, but I can reasonably say it does not point to RA.
@@christistruth705they represent the start and finish of Odin's journey to learn the magic of the runes. The Hanged Man represents sarcifice to make one worthy. Magician represents the wisdom attained after the journey. This to me signifies that the killer may have sacrificed the girls to obtain secret knowledge or to bolster some other runic magic he was doing.
Thats not what the hanging man looks like tho and libby arms are up from being dragged. The magician arms are supposed to be more sideways and up not straight up
They all walked to murder site, crossed a stream, were disrobed and redressed while alive, their hands washed, murdered, and after taking their final breath, the murderers partially covered the girls with branches and then the murderer or murderers left with nobody noticing. All in 20 minutes???
@@kcwestern there are 18 minutes from libbys recording at 2.14 to the phones last movements at 2.32. Say it took 10 minutes to walk from the bridge to the location they were found, that leaves 8 minutes, 1 minute for them both to undress and 1 minute for Abby to redress, that leaves 6 minutes. 6 minutes is long enough to kill both of the girls, however the phone was found under Abby so Libby might still have been alive for a short time after that. So say it’s now 2.35, that leaves time for the killer to cover them with branches, throw some of their clothes in the creek and walk from that location to the location where the woman spotted a muddy and bloody man walking away from the bridge and towards the cps building at 4pm. The timeline is feasible.
@@April-xs9tk how isn’t it feasible? What you think while the whole town was in the woods and trails someone placed their dead bodies there? You want to believe that is more feasible than the fact they died where they were found? Abby’s blood shows she died where she was found.
He confessed murdering the girls 61 times and witnesses corroborated that Richard Allen was at the crime scene when the murders occurred. They saw him all bloody and muddy. There's a whole lot more. Educate yourself so you don't confuse people.
Guess who introduced odinism to us all: Becky Patty Beck Patty told a trooper to look into Brad Holder because he was a practicing odinist. Brad Holder had already been cleared within weeks of the murder. Long before the murders, Brad Holder posted an image on his FB that depicted two girls posed in the same exact manner as Abby and Libby would subsequently be posed at the crime scene. Of course it would make sense that Brad holder would be a viable suspect, right? WRONG! Becky Patty had claimed that she never saw the crime scene and how the girls were dispayed. So, why would Becky Patty bring up the fact that Brad Holder was a practicing Odinist if she had never seen the crime scene? She supposedly never new how the girls were positioned or the placement of the sticks.... So, just a lucky guess that her suspect happened to have posted images long before the murders that would one day serve as a blueprint of how her granddaughter would be staged at the crimes scene. Anyone who had seen Brad Holders images prior to the murders could have framed him.... Lucky Guess, Becky? Additionally, the original Bridge Guy image looks just like Brad Holder. Brad holder wore that type of paperboy hat depicted in the first sketch. The image that the family pushed for two years.... Who provides the original sketch? Probably someone who wanted law enforcement to look at Brad Holder..... Then we have Kelsi German corresponding with the Anthony Shots account on the night that the girls went missing, creating a digital trail. In her messages with the Anthony Shots account, whomever was operating the Anthony shots account said They were supposed to meet Abby and Libby that day at the bridge but they did not show up. So, whomever that was operating the account wasn't able to get to the girls because Richard Allen got to them earlier? Lucky guess to reach out to the Anthony Shots account, Kelsi? Abby was found wearing "Libby's" outfit; a black Delphi swim hoodie and a pair of jeans. In the video taken of "Bridge Guy" yet Libby was reported missing in a pair of gray sweatpants with black lettering and a tie-dyed t-shirt. Yet according to everyone who saw the video in court, Libby, who was supposedly recording the video was not wearing a black hoodie when whomever was recording the video inadvertently recorded their own arm wearing a different color hoodie. The person recording was not wearing a black hoodie. The color of the hoodie that was being worn by the person recording was never recovered... Someone other than Libby recorded Abby on the bridge... Subsequently, after the girls death the phone was shown to have been manipulated by human hands with the auxiliary cord being plugged in and the one thing no one else was talking about, the fact that When phone calls were coming in on the device, someone manually silenced the calls after 5:45 p.m. Those facts point to the idea that someone other than Libby had control of that phone after their death, so put the pieces together and you have a situation in which someone else had that phone in their hands for the bridge recording. The night that the girls went missing Mike Patty stated that the phone was bouncing around town according to the information he had received from an officer that was pinging the phone. That played into the decision to call off the search. This evidence was planted! I've never bought the notion that whomever perpetrated this crime was so unlucky that they had their own voice, their own image and a bullet that they accidentally dropped at the crime scene. What an unfortunate perpetrator huh? Something is dirty in Delphi....
The phone "pinging all around town" , as was said, does not mean the phone was physically moving about town. It means it was being picked up by those cell towers.
Webers gun was not excluded. It tested inconclusive. Which means that the expert on ballistics couldn’t match the cartridge at all. She tested a cycled round to the magic bullet and it didn’t match RAs gun. She had to fire the gun to get some similarities.
In my opinion, given the horrible circumstances Allen was put through and remember it’s innocent until PROVEN guilty, he has said anything to stop this torment and torture continuing. People don’t really understand what psychosis means but essentially you have no idea what you’re doing or even saying. Like everyone else I want justice for those two girls but I don’t think it’s going to be achieved in Allen’s conviction, sadly. The real killer/s are still out there somewhere.
Sigh... he wasn't tortured. He wasn't even in real solitary. Not to mention his first confession was 2 weeks in, and well before he "went crazy" This whole thing is a show he put on for you and you you're falling for it
@@ljb8157 it's people like you that terrify me. No evidence, guy tried to help with investigation. Arrested for NO reason. THEN absolutely set up as a fall guy to "clear up" the case for someone's promotion 😡
What am expert? Sticks are not random, they've perpendicular over girls necks at put in some order, it took time to make these signs. Don't know what they mean or are they Runes, but it's definitely a message.
Exactly! But they threw out the FBI, who had all the experts and technology needed to catch the killers. The FBI supported this theory of Odinists, because it’s a fact that there are many people involved in this cult, everywhere! They were on to something, but the Indiana Police Department did not want them to solve this case themselves. Go figure 😑
@@izabela1961now you’re reaching. He has no links to Odinism whatsoever, but at least 9 other suspects do. Gull would not allow that to come in though. Maybe she’s the odinist!
I thought it was strange that he didn't toss it in the creek. maybe he intended to and forgot or maybe he couldn't find it after he had put the sticks on top of the girls.
Even in the transcripts of the infamous video…. It seems like Libby is talking to someone else behind the camera This case is so frustrating. I wish I could have been around there investigating from day 1… truly believe I could have done a better job then the state😂 Sure others feel the same way. They botched this case from day 1. Richard Allen is most likely innocent & even if he isn’t there’s not enough evidence to convict him
I agree, I also seen the crime scene photos and the scene is definitely set , how can you not see those sticks have been placed on the girls on the same position, there's a H on them both , nothing has been done to hide the girls. My heart goes out to the families of the girls, knowing these photos are being being shared around, once seen they can't be unseen and no I didn't set out to see these photos, they were shared in plain sight for all to see , God rest them x
I think I'm a rarity in that, to me, the sticks were clearly arranged purposefully but i don't think it was from a bunch of odinists. One (mentally unstable man) did this. I also didn't see "antlers/horns" near Abby's head.
@kelsaries Someone posted the link. I wasn't going to, & thought that's prudent evidence. Then I saw, it very much is ritual & either for religious or a serial killers meaning only they'd understand, but it's NOT to cover or hide the bodies, as I envisioned. Actually, I've never in my life seen anything like it. That's why the judge prevented the Odinist theory.
Are you crazy?!?! This in no way, shape, or form looks randomly thrown on the girls. These were placed methodically in addition to the position of the bodies posed to replicate the magician and hanged man tarot cards.
@Hey_its_just_me_to there was no evidence to suggest so. However, multiple other suspicious characters are heavily involved in the occult or pagan practices. The ones the judge refused to let the defense present during trial. If you want real coverage on this case, watch anything other than mainstream media.
Totally agree and not buy a man who claims to have been so scared because he saw the van and needed to go out of there... Yet what he took half an hour 45 minutes to place these sticks on the girls and, they were over the big blood area as well.
Yea because prison guards murder investigations as well. I think people that think odinites do human sacrifices are just ignorant about religion they don't know about. Use to be in native American religion as well. Do you think they still do human sacrifices too? Where's the other odinite human sacrifies in the area? It's still a ridiculously absurd claim to think it even matters what anyone religion is for this case.
@ACryin_Shame you can't really compare authentic Norse religion to some cobbled american version that developed in prison, thrived in neonazi communities, and was influenced by shows like Vikings or True Detective. There is copious evidence of asatru and occult in this crime, too much to write off as coincidence.
@@jimnasium7700 no I didn't. Tell me where I did that? I didn't compare any religion, I stated that other have human sacrifices as well, and they did. So you gonna tell me where all the odinite human sacrifices is or are you still just using 2 innocent children for whatever conspiracy you wanna believe today?
How could you put a heart after what you said. It's not love . Are you one of those people that smiles while talking about a most horrific crime? I couldn't handle seeing the actual photos, but from this report, I see more crosses then runes. Before they named the Allen, I asked was distraught over the case and had a dream they would find the answer looked like under a bridge, there was a bar and I went in and the owner and some other knew the killer. They kinda suspected him but weren't sure. And o remember the bar having some green light in front Anyway the sticks are weird but it doesn't look like runes. A ritual takes time and that's ,.. I don't hang out with ballsack Odinists but that's too sloppy for a ritual, I hate using that word, ...
Lindsey.. no one is professing their love for Richard Allen outside the courtroom. Lol 😂 Wow girl! I’ll let ya know tmr in person that you made that up! Wow! 😂
This guy didn’t do it he’s just a fall guy. Even if he did there’s no hard evidence to link him. It’s all circumstantial evidence Side note: well he was convicted of multiple murders. I didn’t see that coming I hope they got the right person
Yeah, he didn't do it, because you say so. Most criminal convictions are based solely on circumstantial evidence. Further, California criminal law allows the prosecution to convict a defendant on circumstantial evidence alone. If direct evidence were always necessary for a conviction, a crime would need a direct eyewitness, or the guilty party would avoid criminal responsibility.
With runes. hagal (or iar serpent rune) on Abby . Some of the pics differ. This one looks like an oversimplification. Not denying the runes may be an undoing of sorts.
@@wendykirby631 A funereal send off with cetain parts covered from what 2nd hand representations I've seen. . Early runic language involved twigs, sticks and branches which is exactly what these entail. The carving of runes came later, bark then stone.
I do be agree that the investigation into this horrific crime is lacking. I am not impressed with Indiana law enforcement, but I am also disappointed with the judge and her rules, the attorneys, and the psychology “experts” in this case. What a sh- show!
The depiction of the sticks placement here is not accurate. These sticks were not randomly thrown, they most certainly weren't thrown. The sticks were deliberately placed. I do not believe in any Odinism angle, but the placement of the sticks absolutely speaks to the type of person who committed this horrible crime. And it sure wasn't some half drunk guy who got scared. Whoever did this took their time and wanted to humiliate poor Libby and shock whoever found the scene.
They needed to get experts that the prosecution was putting on the witness stand to testify, and since the prosecution did not, they didn’t either ,because these experts are expensive and Judge Gull did not want to approve them for Richard Allen’s defense, so they had to gather funds in order to bring their own experts that refuted what the state was saying.
I work with Defense Lawyers , they didn’t do that because it would have ruled him in. They also didn’t get someone to rule out his voice on Libby’s phone for the same reason.
The defense lawyers were not granted the money for experts by the judge! However, this biased judge Gull allowed over 4 million to the prosecution smfh
Dude, most criminal convictions are based solely on circumstantial evidence. Further, California criminal law allows the prosecution to convict a defendant on circumstantial evidence alone. If direct evidence were always necessary for a conviction, a crime would need a direct eyewitness, or the guilty party would avoid criminal responsibility. | Ref. Eisner Gorin (2024).
Has everyone forget, for YEARS, the man (I think it was Brad Webber) told police he DIDN'T go straight home in a van after work. He said told police, he was driving a DIFFERENT vehicle (not a van!) and went to his second job. He did NOT go home! He told police he was fixing an atm when the girls were murdered. That was his alibi. Then suddenly after telling that to police, more than once after 7 years, he suddenly changed his story in August and said he went straight home from work and wasn't driving his other vehicle, as he originally, he changed it and said he was driving a van. When questioned in court about why he changed his timeline, he immediately became angry and was yelling. Either way, he lied either the first time when talking to investigators or he lied in court. Unreliable witness since he proved he lied. If this man was indeed, driving a van AND went straight home after work, he LIED to the police for YEARS! Because he initially told police for years, he was not driving a van that day, nor did he go gome straight from work. Then he suddenly changed his story in August. Unreliable witness who cant keep his stories/lies straight.
To answer the last question. Because hes innocent. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together, knows this was done by more than one person. He just became the patsy, because the keystone cops bungled from the start. And why did they send the FBI away? And why is it that 2 cops investigating the odin side ended up dead? Why did the originally judge suddenly quit? Because this man tried to help and told them what he saw when he was there he is the killer?No wonder no one wants to help the cops. Why would he admit he was there, if he was really the killer? Just stupid. Then his confessions come after he went mental after seeing the big box of discovery he was delivered to his cell. Can you imagine for one second if you were innocent and had to look at all these horrifying pictures of dead children and autopy you would not be traumatized and go mental. I would. The his crime junky physic nurse who was feeling him info from all the crime sites she joined. She should have been fired. He told his lawyers guards with odin patches and tats, threatened his family. But that very corrupt judge would not allow any of that in. There is more evidence against other individuals, one who confessed, than there is for RA. They could not even rule out the other guns looked at. Zero Proof RA did this. Not a scrap.
There is no way one person killed the beautiful girls. I think it was more than 1 person because of the time line. Remember RA went to the police and said he was on the bridge that day. If he killed them it doesn’t make sense.
Libby wanted to solve crimes when she grew up. Today, the jury asked to view her 'Bridge Guy' video, to solve her crime. They also asked to re-watch the 2022 interview where Rick provided long-winded rambling answers, and lied and evaded his way through the interview. Here is what they are going to see: Holeman: Where did you park? Rick: I got there at noon and I think I parked at the Mears entrance and walked on the road up to the Freedom Bridge start (after a long drawn-out rambling answer on where he may have parked here, or maybe here, or maybe here. Anyone else catch that it doesn't make sense to walk on the road to the start of the trail when you are at the trail already?) Holeman: When did you leave? Rick: I left at 1:30pm- that video shows me leaving at 1:30pm; not arriving at 1:30pm Holeman: Who did you see? Rick: I saw those girls that saw me- the one with the long brown hair (Railly) and they looked like sisters. I may have seen someone when I was at the bridge on platform 1 but I don't remember. I did not see Abby and Libby though. Holeman: What were you wearing? Rick went through an entire list of various things he may or may not have been wearing and never gave a straight answer: Blue jeans, a blue or black off-brand or real carhartt jacket, a hat, various types of shoes he could've been wearing Holeman: Is this YOU? Rick: (Verbatim) "If those girls took that picture then it wasn't me" Kathy to Rick in the interview room when Holeman stepped out: "Why did you never tell me you were at the bridge that day?" His 2022 recount deviated from his 5-day-fresh account in 2017 when he self-reported to Dan Dulin in a parking lot next to his work. Rick said in 2017: He was on the trail between 1:30pm-3:30pm. He parked at the CPS building and walked to the Freedom Bridge. While at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. He noted one was taller and had brown or black hair (Railly). He walked from Freedom Bridge to the High Bridge. He did not see anybody, although he stated he was watching a stock ticker on his phone as he walked. He stated there were vehicles parked at the Mears entrance but he did not pay attention to them. Now let's review all the evidence that the jury has, and you tell me if it matches up To Rick's 2017 1:30pm-3:30pm time or Rick's 2022 12:00pm-1:30pm time: --Rick's Ford Focus seen on Hoosier Harvestore cam at 1:27pm traveling toward CPS where he said he parked. Walking 1000ft "with purpose", as Railly testified, would put him at Freedom Bridge entrance to trail passing Railly and Bre right around 1:35pm. --Railly and Bre saw 'Bridge Guy' as they were walking off the trail about to reach the Freedom Bridge area; their phone photo timestamp was 1:26pm when they were at bench 1, so meandering another 1300ft toward Freedom Bridge would put them at seeing 'Bridge Guy' around 1:35pm at the Freedom Bridge entrance part of trail. Rick self-reported seeing Bre and Railly there too: he described her long brown hair and that the group looked like they were sisters which they are. But before this, they had 'cleared' the entire length of the trail starting at 12:25pm when they first arrived at the trail, walking all the way down to the bridge at 12:45pm (timestamped photo which the jury has), and seeing no 'Bridge Guy' or Rick Allen, before making their way back up to bench 1 (1:26pm photo timestamp) and then seeing Rick for the first time around 1:35pm. --'Bridge Guy' walking with purpose, would take 10min to get to High Bridge platform 1, so 1:45pm. Rick Allen, walking while "looking at his stock ticker": 1:50pm --Betsy Blair's Fitbit data log timestamps have her on the Old State Road 25 loop passing under Bre and Railly on the overpass as they were walking away from the trail system at 1:46pm, despite Railly's account of that time being 2:15pm (a good example of fallible recollection vs infallible digital footprint). --Harvestore cam has Blair driving toward the Mears entrance at 1:47pm. --Blair walks down to the Bridge barrier and sees 'Bridge Guy', who is Rick Allen, at 1:53pm and turns around. This is minutes before the kidnapping. She guesstimated/testified this distance to be 50 feet, but the actual distance is over 100ft (more fallible witness recollection that doesn't matter when you have the timestamps) --Abby and Libby dropped off at Mears entrance and Kelsi's car seen on Harvestore cam at 1:49pm. --Just a few minutes after seeing Rick and turning around, Blair sees Abby and Libby walking toward High Bridge as Blair walked her way up to the other end of the trail and back to her car. Rick never once reported seeing Abby/Libby because, obviously, that would implicate him. --2:13pm is when Libby's "down the hill" video started. The timestamps prove Allen's self-report in 2017 of being there that day from "1:30pm-3:30pm" and that his car was arriving to the CPS parking lot when seen on Harvest Store cam. His 2016 Ford Focus is the only registered Focus in Carroll County and the investigators were able to distinguish his add-on-option rims that made for a unique identification. The timestamps disprove his story that changed in 2022 telling investigators that he was there from noon to 1:30pm, that he parked at Mears entrance, and implying that Harvestore cam caught him leaving at 1:30pm instead of arriving at 1:30pm. He also said he walked up the road to the Freedom Bridge entrance to start his trail walk, despite Harvestore cam not capturing him walking. Ask yourself which timeline of events would be more accurate; the one he told 5 days fresh-after the murders in 2017, or his 2022 recount that conveniently removes him from the area and time when the kidnapping and murders occurred. We also know he lied about having his phone with him and looking at his stock ticker; the cellphone tower geofence data picked up all witness phones on the trail that day, and Rick's was the only one absent. Do you really think there was a Bridge Guy doppelganger walking the trails...that no witnesses saw when they were 'patrolling' and 'clearing' the trail from 12:25pm until 2:14pm when they saw Rick Allen for the first time, making his way down to the bridge, where Betsy Blair saw him minutes before the abduction. Is the jury going to catch Rick's lies in 2022 when he tried to convince police that he wasn't there between 1:30pm and 3:30pm as he originally self-reported 5 days fresh-after the murders, and seeing the witnesses- who saw him- MINUS Abby and Libby. Instead his story changed 5 years later in this 2022 interview they watched today, when he knew the jig was up and changed his story to "I was there from noon to 1:30pm" which conveniently removes him from being there when the crime happened. And why do you think he never told his wife for 5 years that he was there that day? It is the timestamp-timeline that is 100% important here; not the fallibility of people's descriptions/recollections. You are focusing on the wrong thing if you wish to believe fallible witness recollection over infallible digital timestamped timeline. This is not just a 'story' the prosecution is making up; it is confirmation of everyone's whereabouts, independent from remembering correctly or lying. I personally think the defense did a great job being scummy and tricking/confusing the jury. I also think the prosecution did not do the best they could have. The jury has all the pieces, but defense has flipped some of those pieces upside down so they look like they won't fit properly. If the jury takes their time to put this puzzle together (including going back and reviewing evidence like today), it should no doubt be a guilty verdict. Rick Allen Is Locked In As Bridge Guy!
While this crime is horrofic, allen has not been convincted yet. His supporters are supporting him. People get wrongfully convicted all the time. You cant get upset with them.theres no winners in this. I think hes the bridge guy but imagine if he wasn't. His life would be ruined already and the killer is out there free.
Omg if the goal was to hide the bodies then the first thing you cover is the face. Secondly there was a lot of leaves on the ground and that would have been much easier to throw on the girls to cover them
So Kegan Kline who asked them to meet him at the bridge that day and Ron Logan who looked just like Bridge Guy and owned the property they were found on had nothing to do with it? 🤯
So ... -He went there to sa children ..on the hunt per sae. -He stops moving for 10mins sometime before crossing the creek A-had them strip - manages alone to corral w teens, naked and terrified -no one screams for help to the 20+people out on the trails (I'm sure there were more that weren't as honest and Rick ... Ones that didn't come forward to help like him -is scared by a van and decided that sa is too risky, a horrific murder would be better -has one dress in her friends clothes. Leaves the other as is -cuts their throats -waits with them while they die -cleans one girl up, leaves the other -covers the girls with sticks ...but doesn't cover them really -uses a few sticks on each girl with no leaf matter.... -then is so startled in fact that he hangs out at the scene for ANOTHER HOUR AND FORTY MINS This makes 0 sense. 0. For just covering the girls up ... I see a lot of them. And funny how the sticks seem to have "landed" in the same shape ... Ashley. Your no detective. Lose the smug attitude! May we find the truth someday...for the girls ... For Kathy and Rick ....for the community..... For the world ❤
@@septembersapphire347doubt it was them. Webber maybe, but doubt it, the former police chief did say, they had reason to believe multiple people were involved, but that was “only a defense argument” because it didn’t line up with RA doing it by himself.
The guy in the van did give a different story to the feds, which confused me. No one remembers the van sighting, so there is nothing new if we have been following the case.
The sticks look like sigils strategically placed on the girls. I get this strong feeling that they have the wrong guy. I don't know why. Maybe Mr. Allen had accomplices? He didn't act alone. But I just have the feeling that the guilty person(s) are walking free. And perhaps the guilty know the families. But I could be wrong. The whole case is weird, especially a botched case. Has anyone noticed that the Sherrif sounds just like the bridge guy? Regardless, unnecessary tragedy nonetheless. The biggest question is, WHY? I hope Abby & Libby get their justice. 💗💗💗
Two virgins ,throats cut as they are leaned back ,thus rhe blood so high on that tree.Two virgins killed without being violated. One virgins hands are washed clean and reclothed. Indication that the one with massive wounds left unwashed and unclothed was not virgin.
Well your video title is worrisome… how do you know the jury is divided? How do you know it’s the crime scene that divided them, if in fact, they are even divided? Do you have knowledge of what’s going on behind closed doors with this jury, because that would be illegal. Hmmmm😉
My heart has literally gone out to him this whole time!! I feel like he is a scapegoat and that’s not cool!! I would want something else linking it specially to him!!
Because his being at the same location at the same time wearing the same clothes isn’t enough. Also his phone from that time being the only phone not to be found out of his collection of multiple phones. Also his multiple confessions. Also him saying he killed them with a box cutter and a box cutter was found at his house and an expert testifying their wounds could have been made by a box cutter. Also his car matching the description of the car spotted at the cps building. But your heart goes out to him? He killed them.
It can't be a coincidence that their bodies are posed like the Hanged Man and the Magician from the tarot. Both originated as depictions of Odin before and after receiving the magic of runes. I'm thinking whoever the real killer is, they intended this. And RA doesn't seem the type to be obsessed with the occult, otherwise law enforcement would have found evidence and used that against him.
They aren’t posed like the hanged man and the magician from the tarot. There are clear differences. Abby was dragged hence her arm being outstretched above her head. It’s also the left arm whereas the magician is the right arm, she’s also not holding anything in her hand like the magician is. Abby’s arms are resting on her body as opposed to under it like the hanged man and she is not upside down like the hanged man. They really aren’t as similar as people are desperately trying to make out.
Two things can be true at the same time.....inexperienced crime scene investigators and brain dead law enforcement officials that totally flubbed this investigation, And he did this, he has been mentally unstable all his life, he is a self-admitted sex/porn addict, he was on the trail, he fits the physical description, he knows young girls are always on the trail so it was a prime spot to target for what he wanted to do, he knows that trail, he knows its a prime target area. imho
Look at the men with power in that little town…compare one of them with the “bridge guy”. Those girls weren’t their first sacrifices…supposed “accidents”. People screamed for help but…no help came 😢
It's RA. There's no doubt in my mind. I just hope the jury comes to the same conclusion. He was off work that day, he knows the trails and bridge like the back of his hand. He lives and works in Delphi. The details he gave in his multiple confessions. And he was trying to tell his wife and mom what he did, but they would always hang up or make him stop talking. He asked them, "Will you still love me?" That's not something an innocent man says.
In this part of Indiana, there is an aggressive fungus that is killing off trees early, and shedding limbs and sticks that leaves plenty of debris all over.
I’m SO split and divided internally about this case. While I cannot be certain he’s guilty or innocent… I can be absolute certain that I’m thankful I’m not on this jury. What a task! They do seem to be pouring over this case, the evidence presented on both sides, and reviewing everything brought about.. I do believe it’s an honest and genuine panel of jurors giving this the time and examination it needs. Whatever they decide.. I’m confident they came to that decision fairly. I think the best option just might be a hung jury, for once. Im usually against this but this is one of those cases that may benefit from such a thing. That way it leaves everything open in case more ever comes in. I doubt the judge allows for a hung jury in this case, though. It’s high-profile and one where a verdict is highly sought. I’m sure she’d allow days and days of deliberations before calling for a hung jury. But we’ll see.
Brad Weber left work 25-30 mins away at 2:02. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to have been on the bridge in Libby's video at 2:13. The defense keeps accusing people who could not have done it of being the murderers. It's GROSS.
I would like to know if police talked to other kids their age. Kids always know more than adults on what they are doing. Also, I would like to know the opinions or theories of kids their age- they have a different perspective and their deductive minds are diluted with adult thinking. Adults often think linear and can’t see outside the box.
Hi - I watch your show regularly, Ms. Banfield, & I've been your viewer since your HLN days - but recently I noted with alarm that you assumed, up in Canada, that all your American viewers were downcast after the 2024 election. Please understand that not all your viewers are left-leaning. I am a well-educated Catholic American-born conservative who has followed true crime for decades.
I've seen the real photos, and that illustration is close but not exact. Based off of Rick's confessions, Libby's iphone health app data, autopsy report and prosecution's closing statements, here is what I believe happened after Rick Allen kidnapped Abby and Libby at 2:14pm and ordered them "down the hill" by racking his gun loud and hard to intimidate them: They stayed in the depression on the south side of creek (bridge side) from 2:15pm to 2:25pm. In these few minutes he ordered them to undress and was getting ready to r*pe them, but then he heard the white van approaching from a distance, which scared him. In his panic he made Abby quickly redress into the looser-fitting clothes (to minimize anyone who might see a naked girl crossing the creek to the north side). Libby's 2:25pm phone movement signifies the time he heard the van from a distance and the girls scurrying; Abby getting dressed and all of them moving out of view, and then when van passes by (any time between 2:25pm and 2:30pm) they rush across the creek. He began slashing as soon as they got to the north side of creek (when phone movement stops at 2:32pm) On north side of creek, and with panic by everyone setting in, Rick re-racks his gun to maintain control, and loses his cartridge on the ground in the process. He slashed Libby shortly after they crossed over, and as she struggled for life, he restrained Abby on the ground. With her hands restrained inside hoodie, and while restraining her face from moving, Rick slashed Abby and watched her slowly die. He then re-cut Libby again in the already open wounds to make sure she was dead. Probably neither girl showing any signs of life anymore by 2:45pm/3pm latest. He scanned the area to make sure no one was watching or looking for him or the girls. After a short while, he learns no one from that white van saw him or was looking around in the area, so he carried on. He spent the next hour- 2:45pm to 3:45pm at the scene- dragging Libby several feet, washing and leaving the clothes in the creek to wash any evidence away, probably looked around for his bullet for a while, spent time searching the immediate area for branches to lay over them in a 'pin-down-every-limb' and 'undoing' to cover the wounds. 'Intentional' yes, but non-Odinist. He probably even masturbated into one of the girls socks in that hour time frame too who knows (one sock and underwear missing from the scene). Seems like something that someone with a sex addiction and foot-fetish google account name would do. I think the girls hid the phone from him; maybe in Libby's shoe. Shoe and phone found under Abby's damp body in the dirt. I don't think he was ever thinking about their phone. I don't think there's any way that phone doesn't survive water/mud/dirt damage. Rick got spooked by Cheyenne and friend who had walked and talked down to south end of bridge (where abduction occurred) at 3:45pm so he made a hasty exit up through the cemetery and onto 300 road where he was seen muddy/bloody at 3:56pm less than a half mile from the crime scene. He saw "distraught" Kelsi and others gathered at the Mears entrance, so instead of walking right by them, the only obvious option is to detour north into the field; up and around both Mears house and Harvestore (hence why he was not spotted on cam walking on the road). Rick drove away- the opposite way from the Harvestore cam- by 4:15pm. Police showed up at 5pm.
I remember when this story first came out, police said that the crime scene had been set up and the bodies had been posed purposefully. So I find it kind of odd that now it seems everyone thinks it just looks like they were randomly placed? Hard to know for sure without seeing the actual crime scene photos.
They mean love and support. I can’t imagine being accused of a terrible crime, and nobody believes I don’t have it in me to do such thing, but then psychosis kicked in, and choices made under that mental state can be detrimental, and self destructing, because you are not in your right mind.
This is interesting I've been following this case over for 7 and 1/2 years Could it be the last theory that Ashley said maybe he was trying to cover the bodies and didn't have enough time and left? I think it could even be that he was trying to cover the bodies not necessarily to hide them but out of guilt of what he had just done. It's a thought.
Wow! Y’all will say or do anything to get watchers! What about ABBY AND LIBBY??? They are the victims! NOT RICHARD ALLEN! Rest in Heaven Abby and Libby. GOD KNOWS!
I dont think the sticks on the side have any meaning at all, theyre just meant to keep the sticks propped up across the neck area. my opinion of course. They were both cut on the neck and both had sticks propped perfectly across their necks almost to "hide" the wounds in a way. But of course none of this really matters when it comes to finding Richard Allen guilty or not. People are getting lost in the little details and not looking at the important ones The 3 girls saw bridge guy walk by them. They saw the photo of bridge guy and said that was the man they saw. Richard Allen said he saw 3 girls and walked by them at the exact same time. GUILTY! He confirmed he was bridge guy IMO he confessed without confessing when he said he saw those 3 same girls.
He never said he saw the group of 4 girls and they never said he saw them. Since he was leaving through the Mears Farm entrance, the three girls he saw could have easily been Abby, Libby, and Kelsi arriving. Regardless, none of the eyewitnesses described or identified Allen when they described Bridge Guy
@@jimnasium7700 Richard Allen did say he saw 3 juvenile females at the trails and the 3 girls said they walked past a man wearing clothes similar to the clothes Richard Allen said he was wearing that day.
@jimnasium7700 Kelsi was driving an automobile; doubtful Allen passed her on the trail. Odd, though, that Allen didn't notice, or didn't recall, walking past LG & AW (nor a man dressed similar to himself) on the north end of the MHB as he was exiting the bridge, making his way to the bench, where he stopped for a spell, before continuing on to his car that parked near the Freedom Bridge, and leaving the trail/park.
@chuckleberryfinn1992 I agree. It's odd. He described three girls, not four. And the four girls didn't describe him. I think it's more important to remember that the trails were busy that day. There were far more eyewitnesses than were called at trial. And the Click report showed that there were dozens of other trail visitors, some teenaged, that the police never interviewed as part of the investigation. School was out for the day and there were at least three campout parties the night before in those woods. When you add in the families of the people who live off the trails, there are just too many variables to presume that the group of girls he encountered were the same ones that testified.
Two things can be true at the same time.....inexperienced crime scene investigators and brain dead law enforcement officials that totally flubbed this investigation, And he did this, he has been mentally unstable all his life, he is a self-admitted sex/porn addict, he was on the trail the same time the girls were, he fits the physical description, he knows young girls are always on the trail so it was a prime spot to target for what he wanted to do, he knows that trail, he knows its a prime target area. imho Adding this.......how was one man able to control two girls? Absolutely simple, tell the one your going to kill the other if they make a sound, they loved each other, neither of them would have risked the others life. imo
@@WillowHHHH it was during the trial it was mentioned sorry I didn't save all the coverage from in the trial, but his admissions to being a sex addict was def in there, transcripts will prove that, and if I am not mistaken the reference to his use of porn was too. imo
According to the prosecution the killer ( RA) had 19 min to kidnap the girls, herd them through the woods, across the creek and up the hill to the murder scene and murders them. Then, he spent 1/ 1.5 hr hanging out at the crime scene so he could be seen by other people. Then he decides to walk on the side of a road, muddy and bloody, so everyone who drove on that road, could see him including a police officer. And a witness saw him on that road at 3:50-4:00 pm. Anyone finds this ridiculous?
@@milenaliv7936 Thank God people are still paying attention to detail, reasoning and logic 🙏🏻♥️
Yes.
@PerlaOC yes, but the defense lawyer did not go over the timeline for the jury.
Yes it’s definitely ridiculous! What’s even more ridiculous is that if you do believe the state’s case, that two beautiful girls were tragically killed & not one of them made a sound…
@@milenaliv7936 honestly there is a LOT about this case that is ridiculous. The police really dropped the ball during the investigation.
the state did not prove its case
@@101GM8 thinking it’s him ? Who is Anthony shots? Account that talked to Libby right before their demise? Kegan Kline 🚩 interesting huh
@@pitchforksforRichie I don't think they proved their case either.
If the judge hadn't basically prevented the defense from using their evidence I think it would be easier for the jury to come to a decision.
The information I've read about Elvis Fields has been really shocking honestly. Makes you wonder what the cops were doing.
@@101GM8 i never said it wasnt but we all should be supremely grateful that it has to be proved
@@kellymac77they've all been investigated...
@@pattyvanpilsum9897 Kegan Kline talked to Libby . RA never had .
Come on you can do journalism better than this. People are not ‘professing their love for a suspected child killer’ they are demanding an honest judicial process and for the truth of all the facts to be presented to the jury.
@ one sign out of about 30? The rest are demanding authentic justice for Abby, Libby and RA, why just pick that one out of all of them?
There's zero chance of this man being guilty. Nefarious investigation, basically botched.
@ there were multiple signs, but the vast majority were not professing their love! Why not refer to the ones addressing Gull’s bias? Why not the ones that wanted justice for all involved? Why attempt to make this situation look like a fanatical farce when it was nothing like that at all? There was only one sign saying we love you Rick. One.
@@HigherTheFewerThis is a sensationally driven news network.
News Nation should be ashamed of itself with Ashley trying to push a false narrative. Lindsey, he isn’t a convicted child killer…yet. People are professing the love for Justice and the need to see Justice for the two girls but not at the expense of an innocent man. And I don’t understand why, Ashley, you are trying to make the scene outside the court to be more volatile than it really is. I watch you tubers who are on scene and they are all showing how calm and peaceful it is. People are helping each other with saving places in the lines. I haven’t seen anybody yelling or screaming. And the protests are regarding the judge. Her bias was evident throughout the trial. I hope RA eventually gets a fair unbiased trial.
Oh you must be new to Ashley. That’s her thing she does this all the time. Actually this one she didn’t act like an immature 12 year old.
@ I used to listen to her, probably early on when she was still with Court TV (I think) and when she had her own show. But she fell off my radar. I now see why. I’ve lost respect for News Nation for allowing the kind of rhetoric that we see so prevalent in main stream media.
There’s too many of these reporters in RUclipsrs trying to make a name for their self off of this and it’s disgusting
All MSM is, is lies and propaganda.
@@ablair33556 there are 3 credible RUclipsrs in the court - all of them lawyers explaining the process. Idk who else is in there but thank God for Andrea Burkhart, Bob Motta & Lawyer Lee
They did not search holders home . prosecutor said so . This crime and the Flora fire that killed 4 little black girls have been both been blotched by the same Le . Justice for all six .
Even the Prosecution could not explain the crime scene or time line.
Reasonable doubt! Free Richard Allen, not guilty!
All Eyes had a great live last night all about the timeline.
"divide deliberating jury"....How would you know????? Get real
Yeah, complete utter trash. Nothing but misinformation by everyone including "the panel"
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🎯By definition, a jury that hasn’t reached a verdict is divided. So many talking heads will just talk out of their… well, not their heads.
Exactly!
@@sunuvliberty_III It's possible they aren't divided but are just being extremely thorough and going over the entire case against him.
Unlikely though, I'm guessing it'll be a hung jury unfortunately. It should be a not guilty verdict but some jurors don't understand (or just don't care about) the standard of "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt".
Abby is staged like the hanging man in the tarot and Libby is staged as the Magician in the tarot.
@@pburchell1952 I know nothing about tarot cards but you’re right. Somebody posed them identical to those cards. And the branches are almost identical in the way they are positioned on the bodies. Not sure what that represents, but I can reasonably say it does not point to RA.
@ I don’t know a lot about the tarot cards either. A friend was telling me about & I checked it out.
@@christistruth705they represent the start and finish of Odin's journey to learn the magic of the runes. The Hanged Man represents sarcifice to make one worthy. Magician represents the wisdom attained after the journey. This to me signifies that the killer may have sacrificed the girls to obtain secret knowledge or to bolster some other runic magic he was doing.
Thats not what the hanging man looks like tho and libby arms are up from being dragged. The magician arms are supposed to be more sideways and up not straight up
@ wow, thank you for the insight. It really is all so sad.
They all walked to murder site, crossed a stream, were disrobed and redressed while alive, their hands washed, murdered, and after taking their final breath, the murderers partially covered the girls with branches and then the murderer or murderers left with nobody noticing. All in 20 minutes???
@@kcwestern there are 18 minutes from libbys recording at 2.14 to the phones last movements at 2.32. Say it took 10 minutes to walk from the bridge to the location they were found, that leaves 8 minutes, 1 minute for them both to undress and 1 minute for Abby to redress, that leaves 6 minutes. 6 minutes is long enough to kill both of the girls, however the phone was found under Abby so Libby might still have been alive for a short time after that. So say it’s now 2.35, that leaves time for the killer to cover them with branches, throw some of their clothes in the creek and walk from that location to the location where the woman spotted a muddy and bloody man walking away from the bridge and towards the cps building at 4pm. The timeline is feasible.
@@Emmalemma-w8iit is not. Neither is it feasible that the search party didn’t find these girls until 11 the next day. No way!
@@April-xs9tk how isn’t it feasible? What you think while the whole town was in the woods and trails someone placed their dead bodies there? You want to believe that is more feasible than the fact they died where they were found? Abby’s blood shows she died where she was found.
@@Emmalemma-w8i I didn’t say any of that. I said it is not feasible that those girls weren’t found until 11 am the next day.
@@Emmalemma-w8i I didn’t say any of that. I said it is not feasible that those girls weren’t found until 11 am the next day.
Definitely reasonable doubt.
He confessed murdering the girls 61 times and witnesses corroborated that Richard Allen was at the crime scene when the murders occurred. They saw him all bloody and muddy. There's a whole lot more. Educate yourself so you don't confuse people.
As mich as i think he is BG I don't think if I were on the jury, could civict a man for double murder on this weak ass case presented
Guess who introduced odinism to us all: Becky Patty
Beck Patty told a trooper to look into Brad Holder because he was a practicing odinist. Brad Holder had already been cleared within weeks of the murder.
Long before the murders, Brad Holder posted an image on his FB that depicted two girls posed in the same exact manner as Abby and Libby would subsequently be posed at the crime scene.
Of course it would make sense that Brad holder would be a viable suspect, right? WRONG! Becky Patty had claimed that she never saw the crime scene and how the girls were dispayed. So, why would Becky Patty bring up the fact that Brad Holder was a practicing Odinist if she had never seen the crime scene? She supposedly never new how the girls were positioned or the placement of the sticks.... So, just a lucky guess that her suspect happened to have posted images long before the murders that would one day serve as a blueprint of how her granddaughter would be staged at the crimes scene.
Anyone who had seen Brad Holders images prior to the murders could have framed him.... Lucky Guess, Becky?
Additionally, the original Bridge Guy image looks just like Brad Holder. Brad holder wore that type of paperboy hat depicted in the first sketch. The image that the family pushed for two years.... Who provides the original sketch? Probably someone who wanted law enforcement to look at Brad Holder.....
Then we have Kelsi German corresponding with the Anthony Shots account on the night that the girls went missing, creating a digital trail. In her messages with the Anthony Shots account, whomever was operating the Anthony shots account said They were supposed to meet Abby and Libby that day at the bridge but they did not show up. So, whomever that was operating the account wasn't able to get to the girls because Richard Allen got to them earlier? Lucky guess to reach out to the Anthony Shots account, Kelsi?
Abby was found wearing "Libby's" outfit; a black Delphi swim hoodie and a pair of jeans. In the video taken of "Bridge Guy" yet Libby was reported missing in a pair of gray sweatpants with black lettering and a tie-dyed t-shirt. Yet according to everyone who saw the video in court, Libby, who was supposedly recording the video was not wearing a black hoodie when whomever was recording the video inadvertently recorded their own arm wearing a different color hoodie. The person recording was not wearing a black hoodie. The color of the hoodie that was being worn by the person recording was never recovered... Someone other than Libby recorded Abby on the bridge...
Subsequently, after the girls death the phone was shown to have been manipulated by human hands with the auxiliary cord being plugged in and the one thing no one else was talking about, the fact that When phone calls were coming in on the device, someone manually silenced the calls after 5:45 p.m.
Those facts point to the idea that someone other than Libby had control of that phone after their death, so put the pieces together and you have a situation in which someone else had that phone in their hands for the bridge recording.
The night that the girls went missing Mike Patty stated that the phone was bouncing around town according to the information he had received from an officer that was pinging the phone. That played into the decision to call off the search.
This evidence was planted! I've never bought the notion that whomever perpetrated this crime was so unlucky that they had their own voice, their own image and a bullet that they accidentally dropped at the crime scene. What an unfortunate perpetrator huh?
Something is dirty in Delphi....
@@Klutch_Undercover I’ve heard that too. Do you think she thinks there’s a family connection here?
@@Klutch_Undercover 100
The phone "pinging all around town" , as was said, does not mean the phone was physically moving about town. It means it was being picked up by those cell towers.
I agree with you
It’s called rules of evidence and this bs theory didn’t meet the criteria. And this kind of bs is exactly why the entire court was on lock down.
Webers gun was not excluded. It tested inconclusive. Which means that the expert on ballistics couldn’t match the cartridge at all. She tested a cycled round to the magic bullet and it didn’t match RAs gun. She had to fire the gun to get some similarities.
I’d love to know what caliber every officer that cleared the scene was carrying. I don’t doubt guns were drawn before they cleared it.
How many times did she have to shoot a bullet out of that gun to get it to match? Because when she ratcheted the bullet it didn't match.. More BS
Police always carry 9mms.
@@thedude6906 they did check and they were all cleared.
She attempted 4 times to get the marking and it didn’t work until she fired it. This to me sounds like a desperation to proof that was the gum
Scary stuff! Especially knowing that people out here full of that much hate and evil. You DO NOT know your neighbor!
In my opinion, given the horrible circumstances Allen was put through and remember it’s innocent until PROVEN guilty, he has said anything to stop this torment and torture continuing.
People don’t really understand what psychosis means but essentially you have no idea what you’re doing or even saying.
Like everyone else I want justice for those two girls but I don’t think it’s going to be achieved in Allen’s conviction, sadly.
The real killer/s are still out there somewhere.
@@Bye_Good absolutely. If I had been in RA's shoes I'd be insane!!
Sigh... he wasn't tortured. He wasn't even in real solitary. Not to mention his first confession was 2 weeks in, and well before he "went crazy"
This whole thing is a show he put on for you and you you're falling for it
@@ljb8157 it's people like you that terrify me. No evidence, guy tried to help with investigation. Arrested for NO reason. THEN absolutely set up as a fall guy to "clear up" the case for someone's promotion 😡
@@ljb8157 he did not say anything about the murders until April, so you having to lie to make your case? Proves my point, you terrify me.
@patriciachesney lol.. my mistake. I didn't realize YOU were in the courtroom and know everything!
What am expert? Sticks are not random, they've perpendicular over girls necks at put in some order, it took time to make these signs. Don't know what they mean or are they Runes, but it's definitely a message.
How would the Odinists kill 2 white girls if their weird ideology is to "protect" this race? Doesn't make any sense.
Exactly! But they threw out the FBI, who had all the experts and technology needed to catch the killers. The FBI supported this theory of Odinists, because it’s a fact that there are many people involved in this cult, everywhere!
They were on to something, but the Indiana Police Department did not want them to solve this case themselves. Go figure 😑
The theory was somebody related to the girls was dating outside of their race and so this was the retribution for that.
@kitchenkraze1599 Ok. Thank you. Still don't believe it was somebody else than RA. And what if he is an Odinist, too?
@@izabela1961now you’re reaching. He has no links to Odinism whatsoever, but at least 9 other suspects do. Gull would not allow that to come in though. Maybe she’s the odinist!
Nordic religions practiced virgin sacrifice
The jury has not been deliberating for two days. Only about 9 hours. Im glad to see they are doing their due diligence.
I thought it strange that the person that committed this crime,did not destroy the phone.
The phone was left for a reason to give a false timeline
I thought it was strange that he didn't toss it in the creek. maybe he intended to and forgot or maybe he couldn't find it after he had put the sticks on top of the girls.
He never saw the phone. Libby gave it to Abby and she hid it. It was found under Abby's body. :(
Sticks were not thrown ! Period . Took time to position the girls . Multiple people did this imo
The earth is flat too.
@@Topquark13 it’s not fully round . So there’s that . Why does the true evidence bother you in the Delphi case? You’re exposing yourself
Even in the transcripts of the infamous video….
It seems like Libby is talking to someone else behind the camera
This case is so frustrating. I wish I could have been around there investigating from day 1… truly believe I could have done a better job then the state😂
Sure others feel the same way. They botched this case from day 1. Richard Allen is most likely innocent & even if he isn’t there’s not enough evidence to convict him
I saw the photos, it's really a pattern. I didn't think that defense was legit, until I saw them. Ritual 100%
@@mariatorres9789 exactly !
I agree, I also seen the crime scene photos and the scene is definitely set , how can you not see those sticks have been placed on the girls on the same position, there's a H on them both , nothing has been done to hide the girls. My heart goes out to the families of the girls, knowing these photos are being being shared around, once seen they can't be unseen and no I didn't set out to see these photos, they were shared in plain sight for all to see , God rest them x
How in the world are people seeing crime scene photos? That's awful
I think I'm a rarity in that, to me, the sticks were clearly arranged purposefully but i don't think it was from a bunch of odinists. One (mentally unstable man) did this. I also didn't see "antlers/horns" near Abby's head.
@kelsaries Someone posted the link. I wasn't going to, & thought that's prudent evidence. Then I saw, it very much is ritual & either for religious or a serial killers meaning only they'd understand, but it's NOT to cover or hide the bodies, as I envisioned. Actually, I've never in my life seen anything like it. That's why the judge prevented the Odinist theory.
I just don't feel there's enough for a conviction.
Are you crazy?!?! This in no way, shape, or form looks randomly thrown on the girls. These were placed methodically in addition to the position of the bodies posed to replicate the magician and hanged man tarot cards.
Oh my gosh I just looked them up your so right! Wow! That’s crazy, do we know if he was into tarot cards probably not!
@Hey_its_just_me_to there was no evidence to suggest so. However, multiple other suspicious characters are heavily involved in the occult or pagan practices. The ones the judge refused to let the defense present during trial. If you want real coverage on this case, watch anything other than mainstream media.
Totally agree and not buy a man who claims to have been so scared because he saw the van and needed to go out of there... Yet what he took half an hour 45 minutes to place these sticks on the girls and, they were over the big blood area as well.
Lmao
They just look like sticks to me sorry
I thought the ODIN theory was outrageous until I saw pictures of prison guards wearing ODIN Patches.
Yea because prison guards murder investigations as well. I think people that think odinites do human sacrifices are just ignorant about religion they don't know about. Use to be in native American religion as well. Do you think they still do human sacrifices too? Where's the other odinite human sacrifies in the area? It's still a ridiculously absurd claim to think it even matters what anyone religion is for this case.
@ACryin_Shame you can't really compare authentic Norse religion to some cobbled american version that developed in prison, thrived in neonazi communities, and was influenced by shows like Vikings or True Detective. There is copious evidence of asatru and occult in this crime, too much to write off as coincidence.
Also the tarot poses of the bodies, the vegvisir built over the blood pool, and the date of the murders coinciding with Valisblot.
@ I’m not.
@@jimnasium7700 no I didn't. Tell me where I did that? I didn't compare any religion, I stated that other have human sacrifices as well, and they did. So you gonna tell me where all the odinite human sacrifices is or are you still just using 2 innocent children for whatever conspiracy you wanna believe today?
I believe Abby is the hanged man and Libby is the magician. Tarot. The sticks, I am not sure. Yes I believe the sticks are giving a message.❤
You might be right.
The sticks are positioned like runes…
The sticks placed over the blood pool were a vegvisir, a compass that directs one towards their goal.
That's what I see. Pretty stupid way to try to use the occult. I wouldn't want those repercussions.
How could you put a heart after what you said. It's not love . Are you one of those people that smiles while talking about a most horrific crime? I couldn't handle seeing the actual photos, but from this report, I see more crosses then runes. Before they named the Allen, I asked was distraught over the case and had a dream they would find the answer looked like under a bridge, there was a bar and I went in and the owner and some other knew the killer. They kinda suspected him but weren't sure. And o remember the bar having some green light in front
Anyway the sticks are weird but it doesn't look like runes. A ritual takes time and that's ,.. I don't hang out with ballsack Odinists but that's too sloppy for a ritual, I hate using that word, ...
Lindsey.. no one is professing their love for Richard Allen outside the courtroom. Lol 😂 Wow girl! I’ll let ya know tmr in person that you made that up! Wow! 😂
Yeah Elena out there professing her love for all potential allegedly serial killers ❤😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I thought what she meant was that he was loved and supported.
These people will say anything 🫣
Have you been listening to some outside the court house waiting on verdict?? A lot out there think he is not guily.
@judynunley4194 thinking he may be innocent and hoping jury gets it right, is a long way from professing their love.
Railroading from state .
Its been pointed out that the girls were posed as tarot cards. Hangman and magician.
That is weird
They are Nordic runes
Are they? Got a link?
@@thedude6906 crime knight has an excellent video showing the runes and explaining the significance
No, they're not.
@@thedude6906Michelle After Dark channel explains the runes nicely
This guy didn’t do it he’s just a fall guy. Even if he did there’s no hard evidence to link him. It’s all circumstantial evidence
Side note: well he was convicted of multiple murders. I didn’t see that coming I hope they got the right person
Scott Pederson all over again.
Yeah, he didn't do it, because you say so. Most criminal convictions are based solely on circumstantial evidence. Further, California criminal law allows the prosecution to convict a defendant on circumstantial evidence alone. If direct evidence were always necessary for a conviction, a crime would need a direct eyewitness, or the guilty party would avoid criminal responsibility.
@ that was different they had his DNA 🧬
@@kamikazekid94 he was there. Full stop. So what? Poor man . . .
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There are so many doubts in this case with Allen ! It is not proven !
Not random! It’s obviously tarot cards: the hanged man and the magician!
With runes. hagal (or iar serpent rune) on Abby . Some of the pics differ. This one looks like an oversimplification. Not denying the runes may be an undoing of sorts.
@ if it were an undoing, leaves would have been used. The murderer is trying to leave some kind of communication.
@@wendykirby631
A funereal send off with cetain parts covered from what 2nd hand representations I've seen. . Early runic language involved twigs, sticks and branches which is exactly what these entail. The carving of runes came later, bark then stone.
@ why is it that people refuse to see this. It’s so clear to me. This was not r a
Yees! And the UFO 😂Which century are you living in?16th?
Justice for ♡ Libby German: Dec 27, 2002-Feb 13, 2017 ♡ Abby Williams June 23, 2003-Feb 13, 2017 💙💜
I always thought the crime scene was meant to confuse/ mislead.
I do be agree that the investigation into this horrific crime is lacking. I am not impressed with Indiana law enforcement, but I am also disappointed with the judge and her rules, the attorneys, and the psychology “experts” in this case. What a sh- show!
The depiction of the sticks placement here is not accurate. These sticks were not randomly thrown, they most certainly weren't thrown. The sticks were deliberately placed. I do not believe in any Odinism angle, but the placement of the sticks absolutely speaks to the type of person who committed this horrible crime. And it sure wasn't some half drunk guy who got scared. Whoever did this took their time and wanted to humiliate poor Libby and shock whoever found the scene.
Moved and staged like the fbi said.
I still firmly believe the stick placement was a message, but Gull didn't allow it in
The sticks were seen by the jury.
What was the message? Isn't it funny nobody who thinks it's a message knows what it says?
Why did defence team not hire an expert to prove height of bridge guy? Rick is 5ft 5", could easily have ruled him out! Shocking trial. 😢
They needed to get experts that the prosecution was putting on the witness stand to testify, and since the prosecution did not, they didn’t either ,because these experts are expensive and Judge Gull did not want to approve them for Richard Allen’s defense, so they had to gather funds in order to bring their own experts that refuted what the state was saying.
@PerlaOC so sad. I believe RA has been made a scapegoat ☹️
I work with Defense Lawyers , they didn’t do that because it would have ruled him in. They also didn’t get someone to rule out his voice on Libby’s phone for the same reason.
The defense lawyers were not granted the money for experts by the judge! However, this biased judge Gull allowed over 4 million to the prosecution smfh
Those things have a 4 inch margin of error. They can't rule RA out. They're not especially useful because they're not precise.
She did this recording because they were scared of this guy, not guys
Thank You
If all evidence is circumstantial then they must acquit. Have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
Dude, most criminal convictions are based solely on circumstantial evidence. Further, California criminal law allows the prosecution to convict a defendant on circumstantial evidence alone. If direct evidence were always necessary for a conviction, a crime would need a direct eyewitness, or the guilty party would avoid criminal responsibility. | Ref. Eisner Gorin (2024).
@@UltorvindexNot always
Not so. Circumstantial evidence cases are very prosecution. All cases do not involve dna. That doesn't give a killer a free pass.
@@Ultorvindex "Dude"............lol
That doesn’t even make sense 🤦🏻♀️
Has everyone forget, for YEARS, the man (I think it was Brad Webber) told police he DIDN'T go straight home in a van after work. He said told police, he was driving a DIFFERENT vehicle (not a van!) and went to his second job. He did NOT go home! He told police he was fixing an atm when the girls were murdered. That was his alibi. Then suddenly after telling that to police, more than once after 7 years, he suddenly changed his story in August and said he went straight home from work and wasn't driving his other vehicle, as he originally, he changed it and said he was driving a van. When questioned in court about why he changed his timeline, he immediately became angry and was yelling. Either way, he lied either the first time when talking to investigators or he lied in court. Unreliable witness since he proved he lied. If this man was indeed, driving a van AND went straight home after work, he LIED to the police for YEARS! Because he initially told police for years, he was not driving a van that day, nor did he go gome straight from work. Then he suddenly changed his story in August. Unreliable witness who cant keep his stories/lies straight.
It was Ron Logan (formerly convicted, looking like BG) with the ATM.
There is a recording of one person not 2 or 3 or...
The steps registered on the phone dont match the states timeline or story. I hope someone in the media addresses this.
To answer the last question. Because hes innocent. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together, knows this was done by more than one person. He just became the patsy, because the keystone cops bungled from the start. And why did they send the FBI away? And why is it that 2 cops investigating the odin side ended up dead? Why did the originally judge suddenly quit?
Because this man tried to help and told them what he saw when he was there he is the killer?No wonder no one wants to help the cops. Why would he admit he was there, if he was really the killer? Just stupid. Then his confessions come after he went mental after seeing the big box of discovery he was delivered to his cell. Can you imagine for one second if you were innocent and had to look at all these horrifying pictures of dead children and autopy you would not be traumatized and go mental. I would. The his crime junky physic nurse who was feeling him info from all the crime sites she joined. She should have been fired. He told his lawyers guards with odin patches and tats, threatened his family. But that very corrupt judge would not allow any of that in. There is more evidence against other individuals, one who confessed, than there is for RA. They could not even rule out the other guns looked at. Zero Proof RA did this. Not a scrap.
She was fired lol
How can you state the crime scene photos divide a jury? You have no idea what the jury is thinking. 😡
There is no way one person killed the beautiful girls. I think it was more than 1 person because of the time line. Remember RA went to the police and said he was on the bridge that day. If he killed them it doesn’t make sense.
Libby wanted to solve crimes when she grew up.
Today, the jury asked to view her 'Bridge Guy' video, to solve her crime.
They also asked to re-watch the 2022 interview where Rick provided long-winded rambling answers, and lied and evaded his way through the interview. Here is what they are going to see:
Holeman: Where did you park? Rick: I got there at noon and I think I parked at the Mears entrance and walked on the road up to the Freedom Bridge start (after a long drawn-out rambling answer on where he may have parked here, or maybe here, or maybe here. Anyone else catch that it doesn't make sense to walk on the road to the start of the trail when you are at the trail already?)
Holeman: When did you leave? Rick: I left at 1:30pm- that video shows me leaving at 1:30pm; not arriving at 1:30pm
Holeman: Who did you see? Rick: I saw those girls that saw me- the one with the long brown hair (Railly) and they looked like sisters. I may have seen someone when I was at the bridge on platform 1 but I don't remember. I did not see Abby and Libby though.
Holeman: What were you wearing? Rick went through an entire list of various things he may or may not have been wearing and never gave a straight answer: Blue jeans, a blue or black off-brand or real carhartt jacket, a hat, various types of shoes he could've been wearing
Holeman: Is this YOU? Rick: (Verbatim) "If those girls took that picture then it wasn't me"
Kathy to Rick in the interview room when Holeman stepped out: "Why did you never tell me you were at the bridge that day?"
His 2022 recount deviated from his 5-day-fresh account in 2017 when he self-reported to Dan Dulin in a parking lot next to his work. Rick said in 2017:
He was on the trail between 1:30pm-3:30pm. He parked at the CPS building and walked to the Freedom Bridge. While at the Freedom Bridge he saw three females. He noted one was taller and had brown or black hair (Railly). He walked from Freedom Bridge to the High Bridge. He did not see anybody, although he stated he was watching a stock ticker on his phone as he walked. He stated there were vehicles parked at the Mears entrance but he did not pay attention to them.
Now let's review all the evidence that the jury has, and you tell me if it matches up To Rick's 2017 1:30pm-3:30pm time or Rick's 2022 12:00pm-1:30pm time:
--Rick's Ford Focus seen on Hoosier Harvestore cam at 1:27pm traveling toward CPS where he said he parked. Walking 1000ft "with purpose", as Railly testified, would put him at Freedom Bridge entrance to trail passing Railly and Bre right around 1:35pm.
--Railly and Bre saw 'Bridge Guy' as they were walking off the trail about to reach the Freedom Bridge area; their phone photo timestamp was 1:26pm when they were at bench 1, so meandering another 1300ft toward Freedom Bridge would put them at seeing 'Bridge Guy' around 1:35pm at the Freedom Bridge entrance part of trail. Rick self-reported seeing Bre and Railly there too: he described her long brown hair and that the group looked like they were sisters which they are. But before this, they had 'cleared' the entire length of the trail starting at 12:25pm when they first arrived at the trail, walking all the way down to the bridge at 12:45pm (timestamped photo which the jury has), and seeing no 'Bridge Guy' or Rick Allen, before making their way back up to bench 1 (1:26pm photo timestamp) and then seeing Rick for the first time around 1:35pm.
--'Bridge Guy' walking with purpose, would take 10min to get to High Bridge platform 1, so 1:45pm. Rick Allen, walking while "looking at his stock ticker": 1:50pm
--Betsy Blair's Fitbit data log timestamps have her on the Old State Road 25 loop passing under Bre and Railly on the overpass as they were walking away from the trail system at 1:46pm, despite Railly's account of that time being 2:15pm (a good example of fallible recollection vs infallible digital footprint).
--Harvestore cam has Blair driving toward the Mears entrance at 1:47pm.
--Blair walks down to the Bridge barrier and sees 'Bridge Guy', who is Rick Allen, at 1:53pm and turns around. This is minutes before the kidnapping. She guesstimated/testified this distance to be 50 feet, but the actual distance is over 100ft (more fallible witness recollection that doesn't matter when you have the timestamps)
--Abby and Libby dropped off at Mears entrance and Kelsi's car seen on Harvestore cam at 1:49pm.
--Just a few minutes after seeing Rick and turning around, Blair sees Abby and Libby walking toward High Bridge as Blair walked her way up to the other end of the trail and back to her car. Rick never once reported seeing Abby/Libby because, obviously, that would implicate him.
--2:13pm is when Libby's "down the hill" video started.
The timestamps prove Allen's self-report in 2017 of being there that day from "1:30pm-3:30pm" and that his car was arriving to the CPS parking lot when seen on Harvest Store cam. His 2016 Ford Focus is the only registered Focus in Carroll County and the investigators were able to distinguish his add-on-option rims that made for a unique identification.
The timestamps disprove his story that changed in 2022 telling investigators that he was there from noon to 1:30pm, that he parked at Mears entrance, and implying that Harvestore cam caught him leaving at 1:30pm instead of arriving at 1:30pm. He also said he walked up the road to the Freedom Bridge entrance to start his trail walk, despite Harvestore cam not capturing him walking.
Ask yourself which timeline of events would be more accurate; the one he told 5 days fresh-after the murders in 2017, or his 2022 recount that conveniently removes him from the area and time when the kidnapping and murders occurred. We also know he lied about having his phone with him and looking at his stock ticker; the cellphone tower geofence data picked up all witness phones on the trail that day, and Rick's was the only one absent.
Do you really think there was a Bridge Guy doppelganger walking the trails...that no witnesses saw when they were 'patrolling' and 'clearing' the trail from 12:25pm until 2:14pm when they saw Rick Allen for the first time, making his way down to the bridge, where Betsy Blair saw him minutes before the abduction. Is the jury going to catch Rick's lies in 2022 when he tried to convince police that he wasn't there between 1:30pm and 3:30pm as he originally self-reported 5 days fresh-after the murders, and seeing the witnesses- who saw him- MINUS Abby and Libby. Instead his story changed 5 years later in this 2022 interview they watched today, when he knew the jig was up and changed his story to "I was there from noon to 1:30pm" which conveniently removes him from being there when the crime happened. And why do you think he never told his wife for 5 years that he was there that day?
It is the timestamp-timeline that is 100% important here; not the fallibility of people's descriptions/recollections. You are focusing on the wrong thing if you wish to believe fallible witness recollection over infallible digital timestamped timeline. This is not just a 'story' the prosecution is making up; it is confirmation of everyone's whereabouts, independent from remembering correctly or lying.
I personally think the defense did a great job being scummy and tricking/confusing the jury. I also think the prosecution did not do the best they could have. The jury has all the pieces, but defense has flipped some of those pieces upside down so they look like they won't fit properly. If the jury takes their time to put this puzzle together (including going back and reviewing evidence like today), it should no doubt be a guilty verdict.
Rick Allen Is Locked In As Bridge Guy!
While this crime is horrofic, allen has not been convincted yet. His supporters are supporting him. People get wrongfully convicted all the time. You cant get upset with them.theres no winners in this. I think hes the bridge guy but imagine if he wasn't. His life would be ruined already and the killer is out there free.
I was curious if the sticks were not finished as they may of heard the people calling out in search for them. ??? Who knows.
Omg if the goal was to hide the bodies then the first thing you cover is the face. Secondly there was a lot of leaves on the ground and that would have been much easier to throw on the girls to cover them
So Kegan Kline who asked them to meet him at the bridge that day and Ron Logan who looked just like Bridge Guy and owned the property they were found on had nothing to do with it? 🤯
So ...
-He went there to sa children ..on the hunt per sae.
-He stops moving for 10mins sometime before crossing the creek
A-had them strip
- manages alone to corral w teens, naked and terrified
-no one screams for help to the 20+people out on the trails (I'm sure there were more that weren't as honest and Rick ... Ones that didn't come forward to help like him
-is scared by a van and decided that sa is too risky, a horrific murder would be better
-has one dress in her friends clothes. Leaves the other as is
-cuts their throats
-waits with them while they die
-cleans one girl up, leaves the other
-covers the girls with sticks ...but doesn't cover them really
-uses a few sticks on each girl with no leaf matter....
-then is so startled in fact that he hangs out at the scene for ANOTHER HOUR AND FORTY MINS
This makes 0 sense. 0. For just covering the girls up ... I see a lot of them. And funny how the sticks seem to have "landed" in the same shape ...
Ashley. Your no detective. Lose the smug attitude!
May we find the truth someday...for the girls ... For Kathy and Rick ....for the community..... For the world ❤
What? How do you know what the jury is deliberating on? This is a garbage video based on opinion.
State didn't prove their case imo. Lack of transparency and the unethical behavior of the phycological is disturbing
That looks nothing like the other pics or drawings ive seen. Either way there's no way 1 person committed this crime alone.
Maybe it was RA and BW together then
@@septembersapphire347doubt it was them. Webber maybe, but doubt it, the former police chief did say, they had reason to believe multiple people were involved, but that was “only a defense argument” because it didn’t line up with RA doing it by himself.
I think it was the man and woman seen arguing
I have this gut feeling it was two people who committed this atrocity
How about child minded people (other children) therefore the placing of the sticks, maybe?
How in the world does this channel know the jury is divided???
From the jury's questions of witnesses. Some jurors asked pro defense questions, others pro prosecution
Higher ratings the more dirt they can broadcast.
@@jimnasium7700Lawyer Lee.
No way are the branches used to conceal.
When crime scene evidence doesn't match a confession then it has to be false. N/G!
It’s definitely not any attempt to conceal the bodies.
Nobody knows who killed those girls. Mistrial.
The guy in the van did give a different story to the feds, which confused me. No one remembers the van sighting, so there is nothing new if we have been following the case.
That isn’t even the correct stick placement. And you guys would have been at the courthouse. Geez
The sticks look like sigils strategically placed on the girls. I get this strong feeling that they have the wrong guy. I don't know why. Maybe Mr. Allen had accomplices? He didn't act alone. But I just have the feeling that the guilty person(s) are walking free. And perhaps the guilty know the families. But I could be wrong. The whole case is weird, especially a botched case. Has anyone noticed that the Sherrif sounds just like the bridge guy? Regardless, unnecessary tragedy nonetheless. The biggest question is, WHY? I hope Abby & Libby get their justice. 💗💗💗
Appeal incoming, this extremely biased judge screwed the pooch and gave the defense the gift of an automatic appeal denying a ton of their evidence.
Two virgins ,throats cut as they are leaned back ,thus rhe blood so high on that tree.Two virgins killed without being violated. One virgins hands are washed clean and reclothed. Indication that the one with massive wounds left unwashed and unclothed was not virgin.
Not one witness says they saw richard allen..wouldnt they say that if he was bridge guy.
Well your video title is worrisome… how do you know the jury is divided? How do you know it’s the crime scene that divided them, if in fact, they are even divided? Do you have knowledge of what’s going on behind closed doors with this jury, because that would be illegal. Hmmmm😉
Divided is not a bad thing. But, imo, if they weren't, there would already be a verdict.
They were so close to the bridge, why not found that day.
My heart has literally gone out to him this whole time!!
I feel like he is a scapegoat and that’s not cool!!
I would want something else linking it specially to him!!
Because his being at the same location at the same time wearing the same clothes isn’t enough. Also his phone from that time being the only phone not to be found out of his collection of multiple phones. Also his multiple confessions. Also him saying he killed them with a box cutter and a box cutter was found at his house and an expert testifying their wounds could have been made by a box cutter. Also his car matching the description of the car spotted at the cps building. But your heart goes out to him? He killed them.
What is this title? Has the jury even asked any questions during deliberations about the photos?
They did ask to review some of the evidence again.
@jimnasium7700 thank you for the info. I still find the title clickbaity but I wish this trial was available for the public to view.
It can't be a coincidence that their bodies are posed like the Hanged Man and the Magician from the tarot. Both originated as depictions of Odin before and after receiving the magic of runes. I'm thinking whoever the real killer is, they intended this. And RA doesn't seem the type to be obsessed with the occult, otherwise law enforcement would have found evidence and used that against him.
They aren’t posed like the hanged man and the magician from the tarot. There are clear differences. Abby was dragged hence her arm being outstretched above her head. It’s also the left arm whereas the magician is the right arm, she’s also not holding anything in her hand like the magician is. Abby’s arms are resting on her body as opposed to under it like the hanged man and she is not upside down like the hanged man. They really aren’t as similar as people are desperately trying to make out.
Richard Allen is Innocent
He is guilty as guilty can be!!!
Two things can be true at the same time.....inexperienced crime scene investigators and brain dead law enforcement officials that totally flubbed this investigation, And he did this, he has been mentally unstable all his life, he is a self-admitted sex/porn addict, he was on the trail, he fits the physical description, he knows young girls are always on the trail so it was a prime spot to target for what he wanted to do, he knows that trail, he knows its a prime target area. imho
🤡🤡@@Texasman66
FACT
Look at the men with power in that little town…compare one of them with the “bridge guy”. Those girls weren’t their first sacrifices…supposed “accidents”. People screamed for help but…no help came 😢
Those are not random placements
It's RA. There's no doubt in my mind. I just hope the jury comes to the same conclusion.
He was off work that day, he knows the trails and bridge like the back of his hand. He lives and works in Delphi. The details he gave in his multiple confessions. And he was trying to tell his wife and mom what he did, but they would always hang up or make him stop talking. He asked them, "Will you still love me?" That's not something an innocent man says.
Really? People are suspicious of sticks, when there are trees everywhere ?
In this part of Indiana, there is an aggressive fungus that is killing off trees early, and shedding limbs and sticks that leaves plenty of debris all over.
The girls bodies are posed like tarot cards The hanged man and the magician.
Bullshit reporting.
I’m SO split and divided internally about this case. While I cannot be certain he’s guilty or innocent… I can be absolute certain that I’m thankful I’m not on this jury. What a task! They do seem to be pouring over this case, the evidence presented on both sides, and reviewing everything brought about.. I do believe it’s an honest and genuine panel of jurors giving this the time and examination it needs. Whatever they decide.. I’m confident they came to that decision fairly.
I think the best option just might be a hung jury, for once. Im usually against this but this is one of those cases that may benefit from such a thing. That way it leaves everything open in case more ever comes in.
I doubt the judge allows for a hung jury in this case, though. It’s high-profile and one where a verdict is highly sought. I’m sure she’d allow days and days of deliberations before calling for a hung jury. But we’ll see.
At some point, she would have to accept each jurors decision.
Seeing those sticks reinforces my belief that RA is not guilty.
Brad Weber left work 25-30 mins away at 2:02. It is IMPOSSIBLE for him to have been on the bridge in Libby's video at 2:13. The defense keeps accusing people who could not have done it of being the murderers. It's GROSS.
These sticks look like a person's belief.
???
The judge did not rule fairly. She was obviously against the defense.
I would like to know if police talked to other kids their age. Kids always know more than adults on what they are doing. Also, I would like to know the opinions or theories of kids their age- they have a different perspective and their deductive minds are diluted with adult thinking. Adults often think linear and can’t see outside the box.
You're. Kiddos are very savvy. I would like to know also. Maybe they're here.
Richard Allen at the time of the murders was not out of shape. Him and his wife actually did alot of hiking.
Actually he wasn’t very healthy he had a heart attack a few years prior and had stints in his heart
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We’re the branches sawed off? It’s Weber
I've seen the real photos, and that illustration is close but not exact.
Based off of Rick's confessions, Libby's iphone health app data, autopsy report and prosecution's closing statements, here is what I believe happened after Rick Allen kidnapped Abby and Libby at 2:14pm and ordered them "down the hill" by racking his gun loud and hard to intimidate them:
They stayed in the depression on the south side of creek (bridge side) from 2:15pm to 2:25pm. In these few minutes he ordered them to undress and was getting ready to r*pe them, but then he heard the white van approaching from a distance, which scared him. In his panic he made Abby quickly redress into the looser-fitting clothes (to minimize anyone who might see a naked girl crossing the creek to the north side). Libby's 2:25pm phone movement signifies the time he heard the van from a distance and the girls scurrying; Abby getting dressed and all of them moving out of view, and then when van passes by (any time between 2:25pm and 2:30pm) they rush across the creek. He began slashing as soon as they got to the north side of creek (when phone movement stops at 2:32pm)
On north side of creek, and with panic by everyone setting in, Rick re-racks his gun to maintain control, and loses his cartridge on the ground in the process. He slashed Libby shortly after they crossed over, and as she struggled for life, he restrained Abby on the ground. With her hands restrained inside hoodie, and while restraining her face from moving, Rick slashed Abby and watched her slowly die. He then re-cut Libby again in the already open wounds to make sure she was dead. Probably neither girl showing any signs of life anymore by 2:45pm/3pm latest. He scanned the area to make sure no one was watching or looking for him or the girls. After a short while, he learns no one from that white van saw him or was looking around in the area, so he carried on.
He spent the next hour- 2:45pm to 3:45pm at the scene- dragging Libby several feet, washing and leaving the clothes in the creek to wash any evidence away, probably looked around for his bullet for a while, spent time searching the immediate area for branches to lay over them in a 'pin-down-every-limb' and 'undoing' to cover the wounds. 'Intentional' yes, but non-Odinist. He probably even masturbated into one of the girls socks in that hour time frame too who knows (one sock and underwear missing from the scene). Seems like something that someone with a sex addiction and foot-fetish google account name would do.
I think the girls hid the phone from him; maybe in Libby's shoe. Shoe and phone found under Abby's damp body in the dirt. I don't think he was ever thinking about their phone. I don't think there's any way that phone doesn't survive water/mud/dirt damage.
Rick got spooked by Cheyenne and friend who had walked and talked down to south end of bridge (where abduction occurred) at 3:45pm so he made a hasty exit up through the cemetery and onto 300 road where he was seen muddy/bloody at 3:56pm less than a half mile from the crime scene. He saw "distraught" Kelsi and others gathered at the Mears entrance, so instead of walking right by them, the only obvious option is to detour north into the field; up and around both Mears house and Harvestore (hence why he was not spotted on cam walking on the road). Rick drove away- the opposite way from the Harvestore cam- by 4:15pm. Police showed up at 5pm.
How are so many people commenting on here were able to see the photos? You’ll in the courtroom?
@slaws2279 no they're floating around in interwebs
@ sounds sketchy.
I remember when this story first came out, police said that the crime scene had been set up and the bodies had been posed purposefully. So I find it kind of odd that now it seems everyone thinks it just looks like they were randomly placed? Hard to know for sure without seeing the actual crime scene photos.
Confessing their Love for RA???? WHAT???? Nobody is doing that!!!!!
Some people are!
They mean love and support. I can’t imagine being accused of a terrible crime, and nobody believes I don’t have it in me to do such thing, but then psychosis kicked in, and choices made under that mental state can be detrimental, and self destructing, because you are not in your right mind.
Not all the posters outside the courthouse were for BG (Allen) most were for the Abby and Libby.
Those sketches aren't accurate.
This is interesting
I've been following this case over for 7 and 1/2 years
Could it be the last theory that Ashley said maybe he was trying to cover the bodies and didn't have enough time and left? I think it could even be that he was trying to cover the bodies not necessarily to hide them but out of guilt of what he had just done. It's a thought.
Wow! Y’all will say or do anything to get watchers! What about ABBY AND LIBBY??? They are the victims! NOT RICHARD ALLEN! Rest in Heaven Abby and Libby. GOD KNOWS!
Seems like you haven’t heard that innocent people have actually been convicted of a crime they didn’t commit.
Thank goodness a woman reviewed evidence or RA would still be out there. Evidence reviews happen often.
I dont think the sticks on the side have any meaning at all, theyre just meant to keep the sticks propped up across the neck area. my opinion of course. They were both cut on the neck and both had sticks propped perfectly across their necks almost to "hide" the wounds in a way.
But of course none of this really matters when it comes to finding Richard Allen guilty or not. People are getting lost in the little details and not looking at the important ones
The 3 girls saw bridge guy walk by them. They saw the photo of bridge guy and said that was the man they saw.
Richard Allen said he saw 3 girls and walked by them at the exact same time.
GUILTY! He confirmed he was bridge guy IMO he confessed without confessing when he said he saw those 3 same girls.
He never said he saw the group of 4 girls and they never said he saw them. Since he was leaving through the Mears Farm entrance, the three girls he saw could have easily been Abby, Libby, and Kelsi arriving.
Regardless, none of the eyewitnesses described or identified Allen when they described Bridge Guy
Why the sticks were placed like that would be something only the killer would know.
@@jimnasium7700 Richard Allen did say he saw 3 juvenile females at the trails and the 3 girls said they walked past a man wearing clothes similar to the clothes Richard Allen said he was wearing that day.
@jimnasium7700 Kelsi was driving an automobile; doubtful Allen passed her on the trail.
Odd, though, that Allen didn't notice, or didn't recall, walking past LG & AW (nor a man dressed similar to himself) on the north end of the MHB as he was exiting the bridge, making his way to the bench, where he stopped for a spell, before continuing on to his car that parked near the Freedom Bridge, and leaving the trail/park.
@chuckleberryfinn1992 I agree. It's odd. He described three girls, not four. And the four girls didn't describe him. I think it's more important to remember that the trails were busy that day. There were far more eyewitnesses than were called at trial. And the Click report showed that there were dozens of other trail visitors, some teenaged, that the police never interviewed as part of the investigation. School was out for the day and there were at least three campout parties the night before in those woods. When you add in the families of the people who live off the trails, there are just too many variables to presume that the group of girls he encountered were the same ones that testified.
Thank you Judge
Where do you go to see more than a five min clip of what must have been a longer interview?
Two things can be true at the same time.....inexperienced crime scene investigators and brain dead law enforcement officials that totally flubbed this investigation, And he did this, he has been mentally unstable all his life, he is a self-admitted sex/porn addict, he was on the trail the same time the girls were, he fits the physical description, he knows young girls are always on the trail so it was a prime spot to target for what he wanted to do, he knows that trail, he knows its a prime target area. imho Adding this.......how was one man able to control two girls? Absolutely simple, tell the one your going to kill the other if they make a sound, they loved each other, neither of them would have risked the others life. imo
I heard recaps of prosecutors closing arguments, I don't believe him being a porn addict was mentioned ? Can you confirm?
@@WillowHHHH it was during the trial it was mentioned sorry I didn't save all the coverage from in the trial, but his admissions to being a sex addict was def in there, transcripts will prove that, and if I am not mistaken the reference to his use of porn was too. imo
@@WillowHHHHyou are right!
No evidence of such things was shown.
@@karentucker3460He was experiencing psychosis, and was stating he had committed many acts that he never had committed.
Ty im SOOO GLAD THERES STILL NORMAL PPL WHO AREN'T INTO THIS INSANITY thats these Wokes are saying
Odinism
He looks like Bridge Guy to me, Libby proved it!
Was it Libby thou?