@@kerrydunning Jamie McCrimmon came up with the name for the Doctor after he saw it on a piece of technology in The Wheel Of Space. Classic Who if you wondering.
It's actually both. Perhaps the doctor has used the name so much it became a common name, thus the doctor took the name to hide into it. Bootstrap paradox, who was the first John Smith?
Who execs/BBC- ALL right,Chris. Steven made some decisions that weren't quite popular. How do we win the jaded fans back? Chibnall-"Change everything we know about Doctor Who" Execs- Hmmm.....OK. Can you be little more specific? Chibnall-"I said what I said"
When Amy was introduced I commented to myself that The Moff was obsessed with naming characters after bodies of water and then I reasoned… absolutely nothing else🙁
He didn’t even know he was going to make River Amy’s daughter until he started writing series 6 so the body of water surname thing looks like it’s just something he likes doing.
@@obiwankenobi687well melody pond is rivers real name, and river song is the name translated from the leaf given to Amy during the episode where the doctor is rescuing Amy and has to call in favors from a bunch of different people. The girls planet is a giant forest I guess? So they don’t have ponds they have rivers. That was the logic iirc
Okay, give me a season of Doctor Who where the Doctor is a cat and his companion is David Mitchell - not playing a character, literally just David Mitchell - and I'll be set.
The thing that has always made me curious in regards to the “Morbius Doctors” is Morbius asking, “How long have you lived?!” while all those faces are appearing.
I mean his age constantly changing around that time is also significant too. Plus the second doctor after regenorating did say that that wasn't the first time that had happened.
The way I heard it was originally they were supposed to be previous Doctors but sometime later it was decided there were no previous Doctors so it was basically a set up they decided not to pay off and the rest is just people trying to justify it.
@@baldyisthegaminggrandad6177 I'm not aware of any DC crossovers but the 7th Doctor once dropped off the Transformer Death's Head on top of the Baxter building from fantastic 4 and due to Marvel somehow gaining the rights to the character, Death's Head has been a robot bounty hunter in the main Marvel comic universe ever since
@@luisperez4886 I did some research but I can't find any time that doctor who has ever crossed-over with DC at all. I have seen some fan made cover art but no real comic books and I think you may be mistaken.
if your 'regenerate into a animal' segment, you talk about the Master and you show his decaying body form, but conflate that as being "as far from humanoid as you can get" that is like saying a burnt stick is as far away from a stick as can be... when you should have shown The Master's 'Survival' Cheetah Person eyes, or his The TV Movie morphant aka deathworm form (even know that was less a regeneration and more a essence, body and spirit transfer) sources: "The Eight Doctors" by Terrance Dicks | "The Fallen" (DWM #273-#276) | novelisation of the television movie by Gary Russel |
2:08 The Master looking like a caramelized zombie was due to him being out of regenerations, and his current body was on the verge of falling apart. He fixed this by literally taking over the body of another time lord, gaining the unused regenerations in his new corporeal form. (Also, they needed to finish the story arc while trying to find a replacement for the original actor, who had died in a car crash in the middle of the season.)
While he was out of regenerations (he may have been more or less dead and keeping himself alive through some strange science) he never took over the body of another Time Lord. He eventually took over the body of the Keeper of Traken, Nyssa's father.
@TigerofRobare ah, my mistake. But sometime after that, he either body-hopped into a Time Lord body, or somehow got a new set of regenerations. All of this happening offscreen, between Tegan's father and the next face he wore.
@@andrewdreasler428 Still nope. Nyssa's father was his last incarnation in the classic series. In the Movie, the Master is executed by the Daleks and his mind possess a human, played by Eric Roberts and he gets sucked into the Eye of Harmony at the end. In The Last of the Time Lords, he says the Time Lords ressurected him to fight in the Time War.
I always interpreted 12 constantly using other versions of himself as the same person, however, there's no paradox because it's involving his future self reusing the unaware past self, the castle constantly reseting meaning that there is no change in the events. When he teleported from trap street, the signal of his teleportation became hardware in the system so he wouldn't be removed when the castle was reset. It isn't the doctor using clones of himself, but accepting the teleportation command from trap street. So technically all the versions of himself are happening at once... technically.
some things would be different though 1) how much of the wall is removed 2) how far in the future the doctor assumes he is due to the location of the stars. 3) the 1st version of events would've been very different. There would've been no clothes to replace his wet ones, for the 2nd version to pick up the 1st versions, the 1st version would've had to have walked around naked from that point forward. The 1st version (or some version after him but before the main one we see) would've spent time painting the painting of Clara. The 1st version wouldn't have had the "bird" clue to make him realise the plan and instead he would've had to have thought of it himself.
@@OverWims You could say the first 12 set up the events of the internalised loop and last finished them, however, up until that point, the cycle couldn't be broken. I feel on reflection it wasn't really a paradox, it was more a certain amount of events set up and subsequently maintained by the first 12.
I feel like the first version (or first few versions?) of the 12th Doctor lasted significantly longer than the others. I like to think the first version kind of just ran around making paintings and what not to occupy his time until he gets pushed to the events we see other versions of him go through. (if that makes any sense)
Time is subjective, not a fixed constant. “People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.” That's the Doctor's infamous explanation for what makes time travel possible
I have used wibbly wobbly timey whimey so many times now when trying to explain how time travel would work since that episode, it's weirdly accurate. The other week I was trying to explain how you could meet someone out of order and it make logical sense from a non linear perspective and eventually just said that, cause for some reason they weren't understanding it.
here is the ultimate theory, we know the doctor's daughter is traveling the universe but what if jenny at some point falls through a rift and since she was made from the doctor this would mean she is also a timeless child, so what if she falls through a rift and is forcefully regenerated by the rift losing her memories and lands where the doctor originally started, so what im getting at is what if jenny is actually the doctor
@@ConstantOwl especially since we now know the doctor has infinit regenerations, so knowing that wouldn't that mean jenny does too since she is a product of the doctor
His name being the password to let the Time Lords back into the universe doesn't explain why he hid his name in the classic series, before the Time War happened.
@@brainlock72 nah that’s stupid Loki is an another time lord who was originally was gonna be named the trickster but didn’t Bcs Odin adopted him Loki is just the dr in a another universe without a tardis (also he might be half ice giant to)
here's an idea (just a stupid headcanon here) the Timeless child is the original Doctor while all incarnations starting with William Hartnell's version is the clone, giving an excuse for said 13th Doctor being the 13th Doctor, as well as this the Jo Martin Doctor is not one of the past incarnations but rather the timeless child version that decided to retire and live a human life after seeing how good a job the clone was doing.
Doesn’t remove the fact that the doctor is still this clone of the timeless child and thus is born special. Make it an alt universe doctor brought over by the master to mess with the doctor. Jo is still the doctor but our doctor is still a regular time lord
yo that'd be a good retcon for russel to use if he doesent feel like removing the timeless child plot from canon or making the timeless child someone else note cuz im a nerd: Jo did the thing that the doctor did in human nature and that the war master did with the watch thing not cause of the clone doctor but to escape the judoon. just like how the 10th doctor did to escape the family of blood
Why not just make it The Master was lying? It’s that easy. Why lie? Well if his arch nemesis believes they have unlimited regenerations, they can take advantage of that. Simple
Suggestion: Top times when the Doctor won solely by his reputation alone. Forest of the Dead "I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up." *wins*
@@novawolf_gaming um... "full-proof?" Did you flunk spelling? The word is *foolproof.* Not full, fool, and no hyphens. 🙄 Your autocorrect is obviously _not_ foolproof.
The entire arc is shattered by its first episode, where they find an earlier than first version of the TARDIS. However we saw that TARDIS being stolen in Day of the Doctor and it wasn’t a police box and no previously owned TARDIS would have any reason to look like a police telephone box. So, since that plotline makes literally no sense, not even remotely, it’s best to ignore it and pretend it never happened. It’s unfortunate that Whitaker’s run is plagued by such horrible writing whether or not she could be great as the Doctor is hampered by just horrible writing. The kind of writing that attempts to make you feel bad for a giant man-eating spiders and uses the term fam unironically. I have to wonder if she was given the Davies or even the Moffat treatment could she do better. She gets the fun part of the Doctor down but she outright fails to be in any way intimidating. The Doctor is supposed to be fun but just a little scary even to the audience and she’s about as threatening as your drunk aunt. However her Tardis interior is my favorite design out of all of them and it’s wasted with Chiball at the reins.
@@triforceofcourage100 all the character writing is so bad 😭 every single line of the "fam" is literally just a prompt for exposition as opposed to an actual representation of any kind of character they might have. and the doctor's actions, even when super morally dubious, are never questioned by her companions (except when the compnaions learn they were wrong for opposing her). i love ten so much because he makes so many mistakes, and all his companions stand up to him for those mistakes, especially donna. he's supposed to be a flawed character, a real person, and the thirteenth doctor is just so bland and surface-level, inconsistent and Always Right and it's infuriating.
@@triforceofcourage100 I agree the writing for jodie is so bad like it's not even fair that she has to go through that thank God Russell t Davies is returning and maybe can fix most of the things chibnall ruined
I guessed all River Song outcomes correctly, including that child in New York being Amy's daughter and she is also River Song. The only one I missed was the riddle, only water in forest is a river. I still insist Tasha Lem is also River.
Rivers an interesting one, I worked out The Doctor was the person she'd killed in her second episode when she said it had been the greatest man she'd ever met but somehow at the end of the Impossible Astronaut when the girl regenerated my Mum went "She's River" which we didn't believe but she was right!
My favorite fan theory is that the TARDIS is the one that is responsible for the Doctors regenerations because it knows forward in time. This theory is based on the fact that the Doctor has had many more different faces then say the ones on Galifrey. This is supported by the The TARDIS when she is trapped in human form where she says I have always taken you where you are needed. Also is partially confirmed by the 12th in his soliloquy about why this face and then seeing the reflection from the Pompey episode.
didnt she(TARDIS) also say that she has already saved 70+ faces? so even back then, morbius doctors and the timeless child reveal were already "canon"?
I can buy that last theory .When we first saw the character in that junkyard, he was already a wanderer and a rogue . He was the first Doctor we SAW , and we since always assumed he was the first Doctor ,when he actually wasn't.
the thing about the clone theory is, we got this question when we had the "flesh" doctor. And the doctor said, if this is a direct copy of me, they ARE me, you treat them as me, because they remember everything we did.
The Doctor can be an animal is proved in the 9th doctor's final episode.. "Tricky thing this regeneration. You might come out with two heads, you might get no heads at all. But it's always interesting."
If they, for what ever reason, ever want to actually end the series compleatly all they have to do is have that Doctor get stuck in the far past on Gallifrey, get killed and regenerate into the timeless child ( or William Hartnell) sure It would leave some unexplained plot holes but it would make a nice looparound for the entire series and basically making the Doctor the thing that keeps the timeline safe, since the Doctor would be a constant that would continue to loop around the same timeline for eternity.
I wish they'd trash the timeless child shit, and just the 13ths series in general, It was such a waste of time and talent and it broke everything that made the Doctor truly special.
2:45 But, in Rebel Flesh/Almost People, we established that even a clone is the Doctor. The ganger Doctor was, in fact, the Doctor. The bonkers Doctor living with Rose, in a different dimension, is also the Doctor. The "Doctor" is the consciousness, knowledge and experiences... far out man. In the show the consciousness can exist outside of the body. So, in the show... the physical body is just a "meat-suit". Uh... right? Someone help me out here lol!!
I could agree but, I don't think the bonkers Doctor living with Rose is the doctor. Even if he has the consciousness, knowledge and experiences, he lacks the adventure, the ideas, the search of justice and curiosity, the things that makes him sepparate from Rose in the first place. So, for me, is a suitable doctor for Rose but not the true Doctor.
@@LuxieDamned Hmmm. But... that bonkers Doctor had the same memories, experiences... he had the exact same consciousness as the other Doctor. Yes, he commit genocide killing the Daleks but so did the "other" doctor. Imagine you intentionally kill an entire species... then you chastise "yourself" for killing the remaining members of that species that got away... is that out of character? The one heart Doctor with Rose played the flute as the 2nd Doctor, he wore the weird long scarf as the 4th Doctor, he was a jerk as the 6th Doctor, he fought in the Time War as the War Doctor, he met Rose and Captain Jack Harkness as the 9th Doctor... and Simon Pegg lol. Isn't he the Doctor?
@@LuxieDamned Rose expressed her doubts, then 10th told her, that Meta-10 is him, in every aspect, has all the memories and stuff. The only difference was one heart, a human body, one life and that's it, no regeneration, no second chance, one lifetime together with Rose, something that 10th couldn't give her. Even Donna was a "real" Doctor for a brief moment, all the knowledge, that the Doctor possesses. She even suggested a way to fix the Chameleon Circuit. Something Donna Noble wouldn't possibly know on her own. So it's the Doctor's mind, that defines them, which Meta-10 definitely had. Being a clone, doesn't mean difference from the original. Each clone of 12th was identical to the original, who died in the Confession Dial. Each of his clones WAS the Doctor. And the last one still is at the end of his run before his regeneration.
The next show runner could bring back the Dream Lord to clean up that Timeless Children mess by saying that the Dream Lord was using that whole scenario as a means to distract the Doctor so that he could take over the Doctor's body. Actually, the writers could even use this explanation to explain away everything that happens after 12 regenerated. I'm usually not a fan of the "it's a dream" trope, but I would rather have that than the mess Chibnall left us with.
@@bgood8299 DW is sci fi, comicbook-level fluff, so you can literally make ANY explanation to get rid of that episode, and they should. I like the idea that the JW Master is another Master and not one after Missy, and that he simply *lied* to the Doctor. Problem solved.
I liked these theories however in regards to the timeless children or child, we know The Doctor lies but only for honourable reasons but the Master also Lies and he might be lying about the timeless child after all he might be the timeless child. (in my opinion though, Lying is really a bad idea in any situation)
@@medo5417 all i know is that was the worst version of the Master ever. He had no charm or charisma and didn't come across as a threat just a crazy guy. I'm hoping they reveal most or all of the past 2 series never happened in the new series, it was do bad I couldn't make it more then maybe half way through last series
@@ElJohnerino hello, you bring up some interesting thought there, it would be nice if we the viewer was able to see inside the Master’s Tardis also a list of all the Masters regenerations and in what order, maybe there could be a episode the Doctor had a companion who wasn’t actually a companion of the Doctor but of the Master and then see said companion report back to and enter into the Masters Ship. I would like to see that episode. It would be interesting.
I am a techie and became a Dr. Who fan during the era of tom Baker. I saw him in a play in London and think he is the BEST Dr. Who. During this time we found that the Eye of Harmony which is a rotating black hole generates the power necessary for time travel. Three years later, an article in Scientific American stated that a rotating black hole was the most powerful energy source in the universe.
I love the idea that a fan can one day work on dr who even to i know they don't like americans over at the bbc. Its also awesome actually seeing people who grew up watching and loving a franchise to taking the reins even wgen you dont agree with everything they came up witg, i hope more franchises dp this (starwars, marvel n dc)
In "The Three Doctors", the Lord President on Gallifrey tells the tech he's next to to show him the Doctor's earliest form, and it shows Hartnell. Therefore, HE is the original Doctor, not all of those on Brain of Morbius.
"Animal" transformation - They basically screamed that the Doctor's regenerations aren't "random" after we got Capaldi and people noticed he'd been in Fires of Pompeii and interacted with the Doctor. In a nutshell, it's the 'you see hundreds of faces regularly, even if you never notice, so the Doctor has seen a face, and subconsciously picks one when regenerating" (or bi-generating now) so he could regenerate into a non-human form as well, he's seen many of them.
How about we all boycott everything 13th Doctor as well? It ruined the show to depths unthinkable beforehand. It's as if Chibnall wants to destroy everything Doctor Who was ever made on while he's still around. Still can't wait for him and Whittaker to get the hell out of there so that someone else can try to bring Doctor Who back to what it once was: the best TV show in the world.
With the doctor been a copy idea, there are quite a few theories that suggest that's how transporters and teleportation may work. So it could be debatable that every incarnation of the doctor after his first encounter with a transporter like device could be a clone or a copy..... Please don't hate me
The confession dial is an energy loop. Energy that never left. It is the the copy for way back .still the "original doctor" the confession dial was there to instill fear in him not kill him. A device from his own people not meant to end his life but it was, his hell. So for those complaining shut up because he's still the doctor. No different just the doctor
Technically he is a clone, but all in all he is a perfect identical copy of the original, just copy x paste, over and over and over and over. So he still is by any and all means the original Doctor, but with a several times cloned body, identical to the original in every single detail. Well that's a case of formality: XD
The Doctor is a clone it happened when he recreated the universe, a copy was created from Amy's memories while the original was locked outside the universe
Not a clone just a time loop that goes forward and everytime he died a new doctor appears farther into future. (For those who think he’s a clone, who knows)
Given the timeless child stuff revealing infinite regenerations, I would LOVE to see a one time where the audience knows that a human actor is coming but they make the doctor an animal for one episode in between the two human actors. Maybe even just a short that is placed between the regenerations but isn't shown in the normal show.
The doctor said in the Shakespeare's episode with martha jones that words and names have power so he could just not want people to know his real name so that they can have or do something that can hurt him for real or possibly kill him.
The last one doesn't count. And for the ones saying we don't know if the 1st doctor was the first they did throughout the show base the whole canon and plot around William Hartnell being the first, so if it took 50+ years just to add that crucial part of lore it's probably not true or will not be takin seriously
I'm pretty sure the master didn't regenerate into the decaying version of himself. As far as I'm aware he had his energy drained (or something along those lines)
He’s no more a clone than the first one that showed up. The whole point is that it’s just him in every way he was just teleported there, the teleport just took a billion years. He’s only a clone if all of them are clones because they all got teleported, but that would mean anyone that ever got teleported is now just a clone. And by that logic since the doctor has been teleported before he was already a clone.
the idea that the doctor is "the timeless child" ruins the show a little though because 1 the doctor is meant to be the last timelord, 2. the doctor references his younger years and having to look into the time vortex same as the master who then got drumming forever in his head, 3 makes the timelords using the crack in time to give the 11'th doctor more regenerations basically worthless.
I agree it’s completely stupid to make the doctor the timeless child , I feel like it ruined more than just continuity (but tbf to that at one point in s6 of new who the doctor was regenerating when he was already on his last regeneration which doesn’t make sense at all) but also the message of doctor who was ruined , the whole point that the doctor was special because he wasn’t special was like a reference to every day regular people that no matter who u are u could do good and help others but now that the doctor is a god/special for the sake of being one it just kinda tames that message. I hope Russel T Davies does something to switch up who the timeless child is and all those other past doctors because it shouldn’t be in the show. Maybe do something with other realities colliding with each other or other universes catching on to the main one that we watch to just get rid of what s12 has done.
This video might have been better if it was split - One with popular fan theories that were made cannon, the other one, fans who proposed a theory that later were in a position to make it cannon.
I can't be the only one for when they're watching the mobius episode, they see those mobius doctors as mobius life's as that's when the doctor started to look in his mind
2:10 The story for a long time was that THE MASTER looked like that because he "forced" an "illegal" generation having squandered his allotted number (pot, kettle, black- Doctor) and the results were the horrific Zombie like aberration we see in DEADLY ASSASSIN & KEEPER OF TRAKEN- until he takes over a new body using the powers of the KEEPERSHIP of TRAKEN. I *think* the story might have been amended or overwritten at some point as there being some other cause? One was after the TVM, that the Daleks caught up with Roger Delgado's Master and punished him for failing them over their schemes in FRONTIER IN SPACE (the trial in the intro of the TVM)- and the damaged version of him we see in Deadly Assasin is the result, with all kinds of convulated time travel malarkey that gets him into the "SPACE WORM" Sylv is charged with taking to Gallifrey- but I cant account for the circuitous route that would have to take around Anthony Ainleys Master-I think I'm probably remembering it wrong. But there were Theories. As usual the original explanation was the best.
something in me is almost certain the timeless child named themselves after something similar to their adoptive parent Tectun… not so search for long to arrive to something like Toctur… later pronounced Doctor
@@brainlock72 I never mentioned ANY of them. I'm talking entirely about The Curse of Fatal Death. Joanne Lumley is the Last Doctor. Is it you who's new?
@@marquisofcarrabass Again, we are given NO CONTEXT as to WHEN the Curse!Doctors occur, and given that it is now CANON that Bill was only the First of the PREVIOUS "Cycle of 13", AND we know ALL 13 faces (including War and 10/2) from that cycle, then the Curse faces MUST occur in a PREVIOUS generation of Doctors, as in the now CANON Jo and the Morbius faces' cycle.
John W Smith Foreman is the longer Earth given name for this tme lord the W stands for Who? Doctors a clone possibly put another way is there more than one Doctor if she is a copy of a prime doctor say the first doctor of course there's something else everyone has forgotten the first lost a tooth in the old west its partly possible this tooth regenerated itself hence another doctor? You also aware that in that Mobius episode that there's a possibility that doctor is tricking him by faking those images after all the doctors has had years of experience about hiding the truth onto himself a tiny amount he has demonstrated his mental powers in other episodes and he can use trickery of the mind as long as he feels right. Doctor doesn't lie well he or she doesn't give the right answer it pop's into her head like that not actually a lie just a hidden meaning to a question revrsed truth of sorts answered or to be considered?
The Morbius doctors were dismissed utterly way way back in the day by the producer of the show at the time and the writers, as nothing but a continuity mistake. That episode had issues with the writers and went out under a pseudonym "Robin Bland" because the actual guy that patched it into a useable script didn't want his name on the credits. This was a dead and done none isssue, until the current muppet showrunner thought he would use it to prop up his own dreadful retcon. So yes, a series of fake faces or past faces of Morbius WAS the only canon option for those until Chibnall changed history.
@@lesigh1749 Other's this them isn't Canon either or the Watcher the other regeneration aren't part of Doctor Who and nothing in the old stories are important the doctor can not come back from the timeless child phase and I hope the writers can get our doctors histories back on track possibly if there is a new opportunity??? Still the truth is that is who is the Doctor? Time Lords Truth Of Doctor Origins is one open door whether the actual story is going to be retold again and again time is the question we had 60 years of this individuals and potentially no one answer is correct for true fans of the beloved hero the crazy old man in that blue box truly timeless individuals a child like for ever child who grew up on this series. Fantasy can give everyone a bit of peace..
I liek the timeless child, because time lords are assholes almost everytime we see them, so making doctor someone who's above them all, and more mysterious is great in my opinion. Also.. infinite regen? Neverending Doctor Who
Let's add a NEW fan theory. The Timeless Child and resurrection of the 'spy' Master are 'artifacts' of the Time War and part of a Dalek strategy! Wanting to make the Timelords more vulnerable by their entire civilization existence dependent on ONE individual...The Doctor.
I still don't like that the Doctor basically has infinite lives because, for me, it invalidates the scene where Matt Smith's Doctor gets given a new set of lives.
Rassilon later (in Hell Bent) asks 12th: "how many regenerations did we give you?" If you think about it, it's the Lord President Rassilon, the highest authority on Gallifrey ... and he doesn't know? Like the hell?! He coulnd't be sure only if it was unknown, how many regenerations the Doctor has now. Which means, either they knew, he already had infinite and just gave him a little push for the secret staying under the lid, or they unlocked the true potential. In any case, if the Doctor was dry and they would give him only another cycle (12 regenerations, then come back for more), then Rassilon would know and wouldn't ask, like he did.
I don't understand. The Doctors name would have been different after the memory wipe than before, so he has two names? excluding Doctor. Don't know if this is a theory but I concluded that 10 wasn't in love with Rose. It was residual feeling from 9 and he knew it which is why he never said I love you.
That last one is the current production team systematically destroying Doctor Who. It also completely ignores how River Song gained the ability to regenerate.
@@JJohnston4Life not really, when the doctor was mind wiped they limited their regenerations to the standard number, then when it came to the time of the doctor they either removed the limit entirely or gave them a new regeneration cycle, which is already possible in canon (not that canon really matters in doctor who, cause the show constantly changes it's canon but the ability to give and take regenerations is a fairly consistent thing) and if they can remove the ability to infinitely regenerate, it would make sense that they can return that ability.
@@trashmammal9430 how does it ruin it more then any other reboot era lore drop/retcon that made a ton of other past things make no sense? And more over, I guarantee it’ll be retconned before long(like everything else in the show).
Does the Doctor use the name John Smith because it's a common name, or is the name John Smith common because the Doctor always uses it?
I always think is it his real name
@@kerrydunning Jamie McCrimmon came up with the name for the Doctor after he saw it on a piece of technology in The Wheel Of Space. Classic Who if you wondering.
Nice
No john smith is always used for unidentified male bodies and jane doe for females
It's actually both. Perhaps the doctor has used the name so much it became a common name, thus the doctor took the name to hide into it. Bootstrap paradox, who was the first John Smith?
Moffat starting a fan theory and then making it canon himself
Is a massive flex
It's a massive Flux!
@@KyuuDesperation the flux do not say that word DO NOT SAY THAT WORD IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF MILLIONS OF DALEKS AND I AM A DALEK
@@KyuuDesperation do not speak of Chris chibnall here!
@@totallynotaferret I don't even know that gal -_-
someone told him, if you dont like it then get the ip and change it... and he took that as a personal challenge. lol.
Moffat when he becomes showrunner: reality is mine to control, my theories are now canon
Who execs/BBC- ALL right,Chris. Steven made some decisions that weren't quite popular. How do we win the jaded fans back?
Chibnall-"Change everything we know about Doctor Who"
Execs- Hmmm.....OK. Can you be little more specific?
Chibnall-"I said what I said"
Can we honestly say we wouldn't all do that? I definitely would. Don't worry though. Never going to happen 😔
Why not tho I know I would if I was the showrunner
I understood that reference
just figuring out that now, are we?
in conclusion, the fan theories were only confirmed cause the fans that made those theories went on to write the show
We all know that Matt Smith is the real Morbius Doctor, he truly did morb out.
When Amy was introduced I commented to myself that The Moff was obsessed with naming characters after bodies of water and then I reasoned… absolutely nothing else🙁
What if your future self gave that idea to a past moffat btu your past self gave you that idea then ……… BOOTSTRAP PARADOX
He didn’t even know he was going to make River Amy’s daughter until he started writing series 6 so the body of water surname thing looks like it’s just something he likes doing.
@@obiwankenobi687well melody pond is rivers real name, and river song is the name translated from the leaf given to Amy during the episode where the doctor is rescuing Amy and has to call in favors from a bunch of different people. The girls planet is a giant forest I guess? So they don’t have ponds they have rivers. That was the logic iirc
Okay, give me a season of Doctor Who where the Doctor is a cat and his companion is David Mitchell - not playing a character, literally just David Mitchell - and I'll be set.
Imagen if the Doctor regenerated into a penguin
I was thinking a cat would be great too!
@Jonathan Joestar But penguin also sounds great!
@@echo_is_probably_sleepingBut a Penguin with a bowtie and monocle
@@The_Blue_Otaku - The penguin's companion has to be Benedict Cumberbatch
Plot twist: Moffat is the Doctor, one day he travels back in time and carries his future knowledge into his showrunning era, BOOTSTRAP PARADOX BABY
Nice theory
Nice theory but what about chibnail? Maybe he’s the master and is making the show bad on purpose
@@souplover9654 hmmm... good point
The thing that has always made me curious in regards to the “Morbius Doctors” is Morbius asking, “How long have you lived?!” while all those faces are appearing.
That's why I've always accepted the Morbius Doctors as canon. The Doctor is older than we think. Far older.
I mean his age constantly changing around that time is also significant too. Plus the second doctor after regenorating did say that that wasn't the first time that had happened.
11th doctor, or 12th, said he isn't sure anymore and is just rounding them up
The way I heard it was originally they were supposed to be previous Doctors but sometime later it was decided there were no previous Doctors so it was basically a set up they decided not to pay off and the rest is just people trying to justify it.
Even funnier is that Matt Smith played the antagonist in Morbius
"The Doctor can regenerate into an animal"
So, the 80s Canadian show The Littlest Hobo was a Doctor Who spinoff and the dog was the Doctor?
Didn't Superman meet the Doctor once, Maybe The Doctor was Krypto and that's how they originally knew each other lol
@@baldyisthegaminggrandad6177 I'm not aware of any DC crossovers but the 7th Doctor once dropped off the Transformer Death's Head on top of the Baxter building from fantastic 4 and due to Marvel somehow gaining the rights to the character, Death's Head has been a robot bounty hunter in the main Marvel comic universe ever since
@@ginnybrown3090 dr who has made a lot of crossovers with superman
@@luisperez4886 I did some research but I can't find any time that doctor who has ever crossed-over with DC at all. I have seen some fan made cover art but no real comic books and I think you may be mistaken.
if your 'regenerate into a animal' segment, you talk about the Master and you show his decaying body form, but conflate that as being "as far from humanoid as you can get" that is like saying a burnt stick is as far away from a stick as can be... when you should have shown The Master's 'Survival' Cheetah Person eyes, or his The TV Movie morphant aka deathworm form (even know that was less a regeneration and more a essence, body and spirit transfer)
sources: "The Eight Doctors" by Terrance Dicks | "The Fallen" (DWM #273-#276) | novelisation of the television movie by Gary Russel |
sorry that burnt form was the master at the end of his 13th and final life, he continued by stealing other bodies! Does NOT mean animal form!!!
2:08 The Master looking like a caramelized zombie was due to him being out of regenerations, and his current body was on the verge of falling apart. He fixed this by literally taking over the body of another time lord, gaining the unused regenerations in his new corporeal form.
(Also, they needed to finish the story arc while trying to find a replacement for the original actor, who had died in a car crash in the middle of the season.)
While he was out of regenerations (he may have been more or less dead and keeping himself alive through some strange science) he never took over the body of another Time Lord. He eventually took over the body of the Keeper of Traken, Nyssa's father.
@TigerofRobare ah, my mistake. But sometime after that, he either body-hopped into a Time Lord body, or somehow got a new set of regenerations. All of this happening offscreen, between Tegan's father and the next face he wore.
@@andrewdreasler428 Still nope. Nyssa's father was his last incarnation in the classic series. In the Movie, the Master is executed by the Daleks and his mind possess a human, played by Eric Roberts and he gets sucked into the Eye of Harmony at the end. In The Last of the Time Lords, he says the Time Lords ressurected him to fight in the Time War.
I always interpreted 12 constantly using other versions of himself as the same person, however, there's no paradox because it's involving his future self reusing the unaware past self, the castle constantly reseting meaning that there is no change in the events. When he teleported from trap street, the signal of his teleportation became hardware in the system so he wouldn't be removed when the castle was reset. It isn't the doctor using clones of himself, but accepting the teleportation command from trap street. So technically all the versions of himself are happening at once... technically.
some things would be different though
1) how much of the wall is removed
2) how far in the future the doctor assumes he is due to the location of the stars.
3) the 1st version of events would've been very different. There would've been no clothes to replace his wet ones, for the 2nd version to pick up the 1st versions, the 1st version would've had to have walked around naked from that point forward. The 1st version (or some version after him but before the main one we see) would've spent time painting the painting of Clara. The 1st version wouldn't have had the "bird" clue to make him realise the plan and instead he would've had to have thought of it himself.
To dumb it down the 12th doctor was stuck on a bootloop
@@OverWims You could say the first 12 set up the events of the internalised loop and last finished them, however, up until that point, the cycle couldn't be broken. I feel on reflection it wasn't really a paradox, it was more a certain amount of events set up and subsequently maintained by the first 12.
I feel like the first version (or first few versions?) of the 12th Doctor lasted significantly longer than the others. I like to think the first version kind of just ran around making paintings and what not to occupy his time until he gets pushed to the events we see other versions of him go through. (if that makes any sense)
Wow your a deep thinker, I never would have thought that in 15 billion years
Time is subjective, not a fixed constant. “People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect, but actually from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff.” That's the Doctor's infamous explanation for what makes time travel possible
I have used wibbly wobbly timey whimey so many times now when trying to explain how time travel would work since that episode, it's weirdly accurate. The other week I was trying to explain how you could meet someone out of order and it make logical sense from a non linear perspective and eventually just said that, cause for some reason they weren't understanding it.
Or in other words bermey jermey
here is the ultimate theory, we know the doctor's daughter is traveling the universe but what if jenny at some point falls through a rift and since she was made from the doctor this would mean she is also a timeless child, so what if she falls through a rift and is forcefully regenerated by the rift losing her memories and lands where the doctor originally started, so what im getting at is what if jenny is actually the doctor
Please no
@@ConstantOwl i mean it would be a perfect paradox, the doctor makes jenny and jenny makes the doctor a perfect loop
@@ConstantOwl especially since we now know the doctor has infinit regenerations, so knowing that wouldn't that mean jenny does too since she is a product of the doctor
Judging by Moffat's comment on the whole Capapldi is a clone thing, I think we can count that as a joke on his part.
'What's that Doc? Jo's stuck in a well?"
Doctor = Lassie confirmed.
Wait…if the Doctor vacant be an animal…this explains Lassie! Finally life makes sense!
His name being the password to let the Time Lords back into the universe doesn't explain why he hid his name in the classic series, before the Time War happened.
he said before it became the password it was the passwork to his grave and timestream on trenelore
@@user-bs6ws5fi2j That was after the Time War.
The Doctor can regenerate into an animal? So theres a chance of alligator Doctor? ;)
Loki IS the Doctor CONFIRMED!!!
With that in mind, Tom Hiddleston or Sophia Di Martino would make a brilliant next Doctor.
@@conkom1 tom would be amazing!
@@conkom1 or Richard E Grant (again)
@@brainlock72 nah that’s stupid Loki is an another time lord who was originally was gonna be named the trickster but didn’t Bcs Odin adopted him Loki is just the dr in a another universe without a tardis (also he might be half ice giant to)
here's an idea (just a stupid headcanon here) the Timeless child is the original Doctor while all incarnations starting with William Hartnell's version is the clone, giving an excuse for said 13th Doctor being the 13th Doctor, as well as this the Jo Martin Doctor is not one of the past incarnations but rather the timeless child version that decided to retire and live a human life after seeing how good a job the clone was doing.
Doesn’t remove the fact that the doctor is still this clone of the timeless child and thus is born special. Make it an alt universe doctor brought over by the master to mess with the doctor. Jo is still the doctor but our doctor is still a regular time lord
@@gf1006 I honestly think that's actually better than my version
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yo that'd be a good retcon for russel to use if he doesent feel like removing the timeless child plot from canon or making the timeless child someone else
note cuz im a nerd: Jo did the thing that the doctor did in human nature and that the war master did with the watch thing not cause of the clone doctor but to escape the judoon. just like how the 10th doctor did to escape the family of blood
Why not just make it The Master was lying? It’s that easy. Why lie? Well if his arch nemesis believes they have unlimited regenerations, they can take advantage of that. Simple
Suggestion: Top times when the Doctor won solely by his reputation alone. Forest of the Dead "I'm the Doctor, and you're in the biggest library in the Universe. Look me up." *wins*
This wasn't technically a victory, River died because his plan wasn't full-proof to begin with
It was a victory against the Vashta Nerada, who stopped their attacks and let everybody go. Rivers death is a different subject.
@@nomadindabronx Which is why I said "technically"
It was a Victory cuz the Vashta Nerada were gone but that's it
@@novawolf_gaming um... "full-proof?" Did you flunk spelling? The word is *foolproof.* Not full, fool, and no hyphens. 🙄 Your autocorrect is obviously _not_ foolproof.
@@MaryAnnNytowl It's full-proof in the UK and fullproof in the US
I think the fan theory we now want to become true most of all is that the timeless child arc and the season as a whole was just an elaborate prank
The entire arc is shattered by its first episode, where they find an earlier than first version of the TARDIS. However we saw that TARDIS being stolen in Day of the Doctor and it wasn’t a police box and no previously owned TARDIS would have any reason to look like a police telephone box. So, since that plotline makes literally no sense, not even remotely, it’s best to ignore it and pretend it never happened. It’s unfortunate that Whitaker’s run is plagued by such horrible writing whether or not she could be great as the Doctor is hampered by just horrible writing. The kind of writing that attempts to make you feel bad for a giant man-eating spiders and uses the term fam unironically. I have to wonder if she was given the Davies or even the Moffat treatment could she do better. She gets the fun part of the Doctor down but she outright fails to be in any way intimidating. The Doctor is supposed to be fun but just a little scary even to the audience and she’s about as threatening as your drunk aunt. However her Tardis interior is my favorite design out of all of them and it’s wasted with Chiball at the reins.
@@triforceofcourage100 all the character writing is so bad 😭
every single line of the "fam" is literally just a prompt for exposition as opposed to an actual representation of any kind of character they might have. and the doctor's actions, even when super morally dubious, are never questioned by her companions (except when the compnaions learn they were wrong for opposing her). i love ten so much because he makes so many mistakes, and all his companions stand up to him for those mistakes, especially donna. he's supposed to be a flawed character, a real person, and the thirteenth doctor is just so bland and surface-level, inconsistent and Always Right and it's infuriating.
Agreed that would be so great if the timeless child arc was just a whole dream or an elaborate prank
@@triforceofcourage100 I agree the writing for jodie is so bad like it's not even fair that she has to go through that thank God Russell t Davies is returning and maybe can fix most of the things chibnall ruined
Speak for yourself. The idea doesn't break anything. Like, at all. 😄
I guessed all River Song outcomes correctly, including that child in New York being Amy's daughter and she is also River Song. The only one I missed was the riddle, only water in forest is a river. I still insist Tasha Lem is also River.
Rivers an interesting one, I worked out The Doctor was the person she'd killed in her second episode when she said it had been the greatest man she'd ever met but somehow at the end of the Impossible Astronaut when the girl regenerated my Mum went "She's River" which we didn't believe but she was right!
The doctor is an Animagus...well yeah, he was in the wizarding world once...so why not.
can we just agree to NOT TALK ABOUT THE TIMELESS CHILD
Agreed. It goes against the early canon about the origins of the time lords.
Although. A thing with the Timeless Child.
In all those past lives... The Doctor has never been Ginger
My favorite fan theory is that the TARDIS is the one that is responsible for the Doctors regenerations because it knows forward in time. This theory is based on the fact that the Doctor has had many more different faces then say the ones on Galifrey. This is supported by the The TARDIS when she is trapped in human form where she says I have always taken you where you are needed. Also is partially confirmed by the 12th in his soliloquy about why this face and then seeing the reflection from the Pompey episode.
didnt she(TARDIS) also say that she has already saved 70+ faces? so even back then, morbius doctors and the timeless child reveal were already "canon"?
@@bakedmomo5693 except for the fact that she was a Used broken TARDIS when he stole her
When you realise that the 12th Doctor was stuck in a bootloop
We got will .yeah!
I can buy that last theory .When we first saw the character in that junkyard, he was already a wanderer and a rogue . He was the first Doctor we SAW , and we since always assumed he was the first Doctor ,when he actually wasn't.
the thing about the clone theory is, we got this question when we had the "flesh" doctor. And the doctor said, if this is a direct copy of me, they ARE me, you treat them as me, because they remember everything we did.
And that's the moral of 12's run anyway yeah
Bruh. Moffat willed his own fan theory into existence.
what a chad
The Doctor can be an animal is proved in the 9th doctor's final episode.. "Tricky thing this regeneration. You might come out with two heads, you might get no heads at all. But it's always interesting."
If they, for what ever reason, ever want to actually end the series compleatly all they have to do is have that Doctor get stuck in the far past on Gallifrey, get killed and regenerate into the timeless child ( or William Hartnell) sure It would leave some unexplained plot holes but it would make a nice looparound for the entire series and basically making the Doctor the thing that keeps the timeline safe, since the Doctor would be a constant that would continue to loop around the same timeline for eternity.
I wish they'd trash the timeless child shit, and just the 13ths series in general, It was such a waste of time and talent and it broke everything that made the Doctor truly special.
I call this the Mighty Max ending. It's basically how they wrapped up that cartoon
2:45 But, in Rebel Flesh/Almost People, we established that even a clone is the Doctor. The ganger Doctor was, in fact, the Doctor. The bonkers Doctor living with Rose, in a different dimension, is also the Doctor. The "Doctor" is the consciousness, knowledge and experiences... far out man.
In the show the consciousness can exist outside of the body. So, in the show... the physical body is just a "meat-suit". Uh... right? Someone help me out here lol!!
I could agree but, I don't think the bonkers Doctor living with Rose is the doctor. Even if he has the consciousness, knowledge and experiences, he lacks the adventure, the ideas, the search of justice and curiosity, the things that makes him sepparate from Rose in the first place. So, for me, is a suitable doctor for Rose but not the true Doctor.
@@LuxieDamned Hmmm. But... that bonkers Doctor had the same memories, experiences... he had the exact same consciousness as the other Doctor. Yes, he commit genocide killing the Daleks but so did the "other" doctor. Imagine you intentionally kill an entire species... then you chastise "yourself" for killing the remaining members of that species that got away... is that out of character?
The one heart Doctor with Rose played the flute as the 2nd Doctor, he wore the weird long scarf as the 4th Doctor, he was a jerk as the 6th Doctor, he fought in the Time War as the War Doctor, he met Rose and Captain Jack Harkness as the 9th Doctor... and Simon Pegg lol.
Isn't he the Doctor?
@@LuxieDamned Rose expressed her doubts, then 10th told her, that Meta-10 is him, in every aspect, has all the memories and stuff. The only difference was one heart, a human body, one life and that's it, no regeneration, no second chance, one lifetime together with Rose, something that 10th couldn't give her.
Even Donna was a "real" Doctor for a brief moment, all the knowledge, that the Doctor possesses. She even suggested a way to fix the Chameleon Circuit. Something Donna Noble wouldn't possibly know on her own. So it's the Doctor's mind, that defines them, which Meta-10 definitely had. Being a clone, doesn't mean difference from the original. Each clone of 12th was identical to the original, who died in the Confession Dial. Each of his clones WAS the Doctor. And the last one still is at the end of his run before his regeneration.
I love Doctor Who so much, but I can't stress enough how much I hate The Timeless Children.
The next show runner could bring back the Dream Lord to clean up that Timeless Children mess by saying that the Dream Lord was using that whole scenario as a means to distract the Doctor so that he could take over the Doctor's body. Actually, the writers could even use this explanation to explain away everything that happens after 12 regenerated. I'm usually not a fan of the "it's a dream" trope, but I would rather have that than the mess Chibnall left us with.
@@bgood8299 DW is sci fi, comicbook-level fluff, so you can literally make ANY explanation to get rid of that episode, and they should. I like the idea that the JW Master is another Master and not one after Missy, and that he simply *lied* to the Doctor. Problem solved.
@@louisalectube That's true. I just really liked the Dream Lord.
I'm with you mate, Chibnall ruined a show loved by millions to pander and to cement his legacy
@@bgood8299 beat you to that that on my channel 3 part story of Doctor Who I call it unlucky 13 I recon the whole jodie thing completely
I liked these theories however in regards to the timeless children or child, we know The Doctor lies but only for honourable reasons but the Master also Lies and he might be lying about the timeless child after all he might be the timeless child. (in my opinion though, Lying is really a bad idea in any situation)
Please let the Master be the timeless child and please let it be fact he was just trolling the Doctor
@@medo5417 all i know is that was the worst version of the Master ever. He had no charm or charisma and didn't come across as a threat just a crazy guy. I'm hoping they reveal most or all of the past 2 series never happened in the new series, it was do bad I couldn't make it more then maybe half way through last series
Well, the Master has certainly regenerated way more times than he should have been able to... Here's hoping.
@@ElJohnerino hello, you bring up some interesting thought there, it would be nice if we the viewer was able to see inside the Master’s Tardis also a list of all the Masters regenerations and in what order, maybe there could be a episode the Doctor had a companion who wasn’t actually a companion of the Doctor but of the Master and then see said companion report back to and enter into the Masters Ship. I would like to see that episode. It would be interesting.
My theory is that River Song is the timeless child and The Doctor was Tecteun and the Morbius faces were Tecteun's
I am a techie and became a Dr. Who fan during the era of tom Baker. I saw him in a play in London and think he is the BEST Dr. Who. During this time we found that the Eye of Harmony which is a rotating black hole generates the power necessary for time travel. Three years later, an article in Scientific American stated that a rotating black hole was the most powerful energy source in the universe.
I remember when the doctor faced Morbious and he said It’s Morbin Time
Dear future showrunner
Please retcon the timeless child pre Hartnell Doctors. Please give jo Martin the respect she deserves as a future Doctor.
I think Jos doctor is a clone of 2nd, but she could be ok as the doctor
We do not speak of the timeless child here
Thanks for the reminder of how bad the timless children was.
I have a theory that the I don't wanna go was also him knowing he was never gonna see Rose again.
I love the idea that a fan can one day work on dr who even to i know they don't like americans over at the bbc. Its also awesome actually seeing people who grew up watching and loving a franchise to taking the reins even wgen you dont agree with everything they came up witg, i hope more franchises dp this (starwars, marvel n dc)
In "The Three Doctors", the Lord President on Gallifrey tells the tech he's next to to show him the Doctor's earliest form, and it shows Hartnell. Therefore, HE is the original Doctor, not all of those on Brain of Morbius.
"Animal" transformation - They basically screamed that the Doctor's regenerations aren't "random" after we got Capaldi and people noticed he'd been in Fires of Pompeii and interacted with the Doctor. In a nutshell, it's the 'you see hundreds of faces regularly, even if you never notice, so the Doctor has seen a face, and subconsciously picks one when regenerating" (or bi-generating now) so he could regenerate into a non-human form as well, he's seen many of them.
Well ya if you take control of the very show itself you can make any crazy fan theory you want to dream up into cannon
I count 7 fan theories and a kick in the balls at the end
i really hope the timeless child arc gets retconned as it just makes no sense to what was already established in lore
OK, now I want the Doctor as a cat lol
doctor meow
Some of these are just fan theories that turned out to be correct, that doesn't mean the fans actually changed the story.
Can we just pretend that The Timeless Child doesn’t exist. Please
It doesn't. No one who enjoys Doctor Who believes that Chibnal's era exists.
@@danieljackowitz2343 Exactly forget pretending timeless child doesn't exist the last 2 years DON'T EXIST.
@@GrimmShadowsII 2 years ago was 2019 meaning Series 11 still exists. God get over it, it happened, move on.
How about we all boycott everything 13th Doctor as well? It ruined the show to depths unthinkable beforehand. It's as if Chibnall wants to destroy everything Doctor Who was ever made on while he's still around. Still can't wait for him and Whittaker to get the hell out of there so that someone else can try to bring Doctor Who back to what it once was: the best TV show in the world.
@@sabertooth_shark5047 Damn, if you think that ruined the show, you should really look at the extended media and how it portrays Gallifrey.
With the doctor been a copy idea, there are quite a few theories that suggest that's how transporters and teleportation may work. So it could be debatable that every incarnation of the doctor after his first encounter with a transporter like device could be a clone or a copy..... Please don't hate me
The confession dial is an energy loop. Energy that never left. It is the the copy for way back .still the "original doctor" the confession dial was there to instill fear in him not kill him. A device from his own people not meant to end his life but it was, his hell. So for those complaining shut up because he's still the doctor. No different just the doctor
Technically he is a clone, but all in all he is a perfect identical copy of the original, just copy x paste, over and over and over and over. So he still is by any and all means the original Doctor, but with a several times cloned body, identical to the original in every single detail.
Well that's a case of formality: XD
Timelords don't look human
Humans look timelord
Love it when the Doctor said : "It's Morbin' Time !"
The Doctor is a clone it happened when he recreated the universe, a copy was created from Amy's memories while the original was locked outside the universe
THIS WAS AWESOME
Not a clone just a time loop that goes forward and everytime he died a new doctor appears farther into future. (For those who think he’s a clone, who knows)
Given the timeless child stuff revealing infinite regenerations, I would LOVE to see a one time where the audience knows that a human actor is coming but they make the doctor an animal for one episode in between the two human actors. Maybe even just a short that is placed between the regenerations but isn't shown in the normal show.
the character of Dr. Moon was going to be last incarnation of the Doctor
The doctor said in the Shakespeare's episode with martha jones that words and names have power so he could just not want people to know his real name so that they can have or do something that can hurt him for real or possibly kill him.
Do we believe in the 'Mary Poppins is the Doctor' theory?
2:35 I’d binge the hell out of a series where the Doctor is an animal
It’s Morbin time
The last one doesn't count. And for the ones saying we don't know if the 1st doctor was the first they did throughout the show base the whole canon and plot around William Hartnell being the first, so if it took 50+ years just to add that crucial part of lore it's probably not true or will not be takin seriously
That explains all those smart animal shows and movies of yesteryear. Flipper, Skippy, Lassie etc...
The Doctor and River had a baby.
I'm pretty sure the master didn't regenerate into the decaying version of himself. As far as I'm aware he had his energy drained (or something along those lines)
He’s no more a clone than the first one that showed up. The whole point is that it’s just him in every way he was just teleported there, the teleport just took a billion years.
He’s only a clone if all of them are clones because they all got teleported, but that would mean anyone that ever got teleported is now just a clone. And by that logic since the doctor has been teleported before he was already a clone.
the idea that the doctor is "the timeless child" ruins the show a little though because 1 the doctor is meant to be the last timelord, 2. the doctor references his younger years and having to look into the time vortex same as the master who then got drumming forever in his head, 3 makes the timelords using the crack in time to give the 11'th doctor more regenerations basically worthless.
I agree it’s completely stupid to make the doctor the timeless child , I feel like it ruined more than just continuity (but tbf to that at one point in s6 of new who the doctor was regenerating when he was already on his last regeneration which doesn’t make sense at all) but also the message of doctor who was ruined , the whole point that the doctor was special because he wasn’t special was like a reference to every day regular people that no matter who u are u could do good and help others but now that the doctor is a god/special for the sake of being one it just kinda tames that message.
I hope Russel T Davies does something to switch up who the timeless child is and all those other past doctors because it shouldn’t be in the show. Maybe do something with other realities colliding with each other or other universes catching on to the main one that we watch to just get rid of what s12 has done.
"extremeley" hahahaha it's extremely.
This video might have been better if it was split - One with popular fan theories that were made cannon, the other one, fans who proposed a theory that later were in a position to make it cannon.
I can't be the only one for when they're watching the mobius episode, they see those mobius doctors as mobius life's as that's when the doctor started to look in his mind
Someone on reddit wrote: "Besides, if he's inside the reality created from his confession dial, did he die at all?"
"The definite article you might say"
I actually loved the Timeless Children solely for the Morbius Doctors being reintroduced into canon.
2:10 The story for a long time was that THE MASTER looked like that because he "forced" an "illegal" generation having squandered his allotted number (pot, kettle, black- Doctor) and the results were the horrific Zombie like aberration we see in DEADLY ASSASSIN & KEEPER OF TRAKEN- until he takes over a new body using the powers of the KEEPERSHIP of TRAKEN.
I *think* the story might have been amended or overwritten at some point as there being some other cause? One was after the TVM, that the Daleks caught up with Roger Delgado's Master and punished him for failing them over their schemes in FRONTIER IN SPACE (the trial in the intro of the TVM)- and the damaged version of him we see in Deadly Assasin is the result, with all kinds of convulated time travel malarkey that gets him into the "SPACE WORM" Sylv is charged with taking to Gallifrey- but I cant account for the circuitous route that would have to take around Anthony Ainleys Master-I think I'm probably remembering it wrong. But there were Theories. As usual the original explanation was the best.
I read the comments and now I want a penguin doctor. No explanation, even if it’s just for a special. I wanna see how that would look now
Also already know it’s not gonna happen
If the doctor can turn into animals then the Doctor Who is Air Bud.
I solve Flesh and stone ages Ago
I mean, the 9th doctor himself said "I might come back with two heads! I might come back with no head. And don't say it's an improvement"
Yeahhh we don’t talk about number 8 😂
they walked back timeless children
I'm pretty sure that doctors origin in English is teacher not like healer which I think for most people it is more related to
something in me is almost certain the timeless child named themselves after something similar to their adoptive parent Tectun… not so search for long to arrive to something like Toctur… later pronounced Doctor
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"We've all been the dog!" - Q
What, no mention of Rowan!Doctor? or his various regenerations thrown into the mix of Previous Doctors?
No, because they aren't previous Doctors. Rowan, Richard, Jim, Hugh and Joanna are the final five Doctors.
@@marquisofcarrabass You must be new. Jo precedes Bill. As do the Morbius Doctor Faces.
@@brainlock72 I never mentioned ANY of them. I'm talking entirely about The Curse of Fatal Death. Joanne Lumley is the Last Doctor. Is it you who's new?
@@marquisofcarrabass Again, we are given NO CONTEXT as to WHEN the Curse!Doctors occur, and given that it is now CANON that Bill was only the First of the PREVIOUS "Cycle of 13", AND we know ALL 13 faces (including War and 10/2) from that cycle, then the Curse faces MUST occur in a PREVIOUS generation of Doctors, as in the now CANON Jo and the Morbius faces' cycle.
John W Smith Foreman is the longer Earth given name for this tme lord the W stands for Who?
Doctors a clone possibly put another way is there more than one Doctor if she is a copy of a prime doctor say the first doctor of course there's something else everyone has forgotten the first lost a tooth in the old west its partly possible this tooth regenerated itself hence another doctor?
You also aware that in that Mobius episode that there's a possibility that doctor is tricking him by faking those images after all the doctors has had years of experience about hiding the truth onto himself a tiny amount he has demonstrated his mental powers in other episodes and he can use trickery of the mind as long as he feels right.
Doctor doesn't lie well he or she doesn't give the right answer it pop's into her head like that not actually a lie just a hidden meaning to a question revrsed truth of sorts answered or to be considered?
The Morbius doctors were dismissed utterly way way back in the day by the producer of the show at the time and the writers, as nothing but a continuity mistake. That episode had issues with the writers and went out under a pseudonym "Robin Bland" because the actual guy that patched it into a useable script didn't want his name on the credits.
This was a dead and done none isssue, until the current muppet showrunner thought he would use it to prop up his own dreadful retcon. So yes, a series of fake faces or past faces of Morbius WAS the only canon option for those until Chibnall changed history.
@@lesigh1749 Other's this them isn't Canon either or the Watcher the other regeneration aren't part of Doctor Who and nothing in the old stories are important the doctor can not come back from the timeless child phase and I hope the writers can get our doctors histories back on track possibly if there is a new opportunity??? Still the truth is that is who is the Doctor? Time Lords Truth Of Doctor Origins is one open door whether the actual story is going to be retold again and again time is the question we had 60 years of this individuals and potentially no one answer is correct for true fans of the beloved hero the crazy old man in that blue box truly timeless individuals a child like for ever child who grew up on this series. Fantasy can give everyone a bit of peace..
Crispy Master is highly decayed like the veil in Heaven Sent. Clinging on to life long after what should be his death.
I liek the timeless child, because time lords are assholes almost everytime we see them, so making doctor someone who's above them all, and more mysterious is great in my opinion.
Also.. infinite regen? Neverending Doctor Who
Let's add a NEW fan theory. The Timeless Child and resurrection of the 'spy' Master are 'artifacts' of the Time War and part of a Dalek strategy! Wanting to make the Timelords more vulnerable by their entire civilization existence dependent on ONE individual...The Doctor.
I still don't like that the Doctor basically has infinite lives because, for me, it invalidates the scene where Matt Smith's Doctor gets given a new set of lives.
Rassilon later (in Hell Bent) asks 12th: "how many regenerations did we give you?" If you think about it, it's the Lord President Rassilon, the highest authority on Gallifrey ... and he doesn't know? Like the hell?! He coulnd't be sure only if it was unknown, how many regenerations the Doctor has now. Which means, either they knew, he already had infinite and just gave him a little push for the secret staying under the lid, or they unlocked the true potential. In any case, if the Doctor was dry and they would give him only another cycle (12 regenerations, then come back for more), then Rassilon would know and wouldn't ask, like he did.
Wait, if The Doctor is the first to be able to regenerate, how can other timelords do it as well?
As far as I'm concerned, William Hartnell was the First Doctor. Nothing before that is canon in my eyes.
I don't understand. The Doctors name would have been different after the memory wipe than before, so he has two names? excluding Doctor. Don't know if this is a theory but I concluded that 10 wasn't in love with Rose. It was residual feeling from 9 and he knew it which is why he never said I love you.
That 10/Rose theory is pretty popular, I’ve seen it elsewhere before
That last one is the current production team systematically destroying Doctor Who. It also completely ignores how River Song gained the ability to regenerate.
It also doesn't explain why the time lords have the ability the grant regenerations to Smith's doctor at his series finale.
@@JJohnston4Life not really, when the doctor was mind wiped they limited their regenerations to the standard number, then when it came to the time of the doctor they either removed the limit entirely or gave them a new regeneration cycle, which is already possible in canon (not that canon really matters in doctor who, cause the show constantly changes it's canon but the ability to give and take regenerations is a fairly consistent thing) and if they can remove the ability to infinitely regenerate, it would make sense that they can return that ability.
@@charlestownsend9280 It's still a stupid twist that ruined the show
@@trashmammal9430 how does it ruin it more then any other reboot era lore drop/retcon that made a ton of other past things make no sense? And more over, I guarantee it’ll be retconned before long(like everything else in the show).
+VIKDR Melody was conceived in the time vortex and also experimented on. The Kovarian branch of The Silence where said orders extremists.
Doctor Who fanfiction making itself real is funny AF.
Blame the bootstrap paradox