DF Direct Weekly
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- A wide range of Hellblade 2 previews emerged last week, but what have we learned about the game and is the dynamic resolution 30fps revelation in any way surprising? John, Rich and Alex share their thoughts while also sharing reactions to the latest chapter in the PS Portal hack story and Nightdive's POed remaster non-April fool. Alex shares news of his experiments with Intel's PresentMon 2.0 - and how it will change our PC games and hardware coverage - while there's intrigue and some level of excitement surrounding Intel's latest XeSS news.
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0:00:00 Introduction
0:01:04 News 01: Hellblade 2 previews drop!
0:26:53 News 02: PS Portal hack patched before release
0:34:41 News 03: 90s FPS PO'ed getting Nightdive remaster
0:41:07 News 04: C-Smash VRS hits Meta Quest
0:52:03 News 05: Alex’s PresentMon experiments
1:06:57 News 06: Campaign demands: stop killing games!
1:16:19 News 07: Intel updates XeSS with revised modes
1:22:04 Supporter Q1: Would it be more practical to target 1440p than 4K for performance modes?
1:28:11 Supporter Q2: Dragon’s Dogma 2 has unimpressive NPC density, so why can’t it hit 60fps on consoles?
1:35:17 Supporter Q3: Why do some developers implement incorrect 30fps frame-rate caps?
1:43:36 Supporter Q4: Why isn’t low frame-rate compensation the default with 120Hz and VRR on PS5?
1:50:05 Supporter Q5: Could the PS5 Pro be powerful enough to run advanced path traced games?
1:55:04 Supporter Q6: With Microsoft potentially opening Xbox to third parties, was the 3DO approach right all along?
2:01:21 Supporter Q7: Would it have been better to forgo the PS5 Pro and instead shorten this console generation? 
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Is John testing the limits of RUclips content ID by letting the Running Man movie play in the background?
No, it's just John being 🐐 as usual
He's not playing a Disney movie.
@@EVPointMasteryour response has nothing to do with what he asked.....
@@Nevillethethroatgoat a disney movie would be testing the limits, since Disney is crazy about their DMCA claims.
@@Nevillethethroatgoatyes his response has alot to do with it.
Its a nuanced funny joke
And went way over your head.
Its ok, it's a learning experience.
Johns beard is very bespoke and the best mid gen refresh we could have possibly asked for.
He shall now be known as - John Pro -
John Professional you mean...
A bespoke beard 😂 I love it
John Quadruple Professional 😂
"Turn-based Hellblade sound compeling" - Alex
"Its really doesn't sound compeling" - Rich
swagless ff10
Gotta go with Rich on this one xD
The Stop Killing Games campaign is a great step. Most EULAs dont hold up in court, and many explicitly violate consumer protection laws in many countries.
Too bad. Sony is leading the way
How do you know they don’t hold up in court? Genuinely asking
@@joerocket5.What
You seem to be just a mad kid lashing out spitting things you can't back up.. But by all means please explain how PlayStation is leading the way aside from making Great Offline story-driven single-player games witch is the Only Great form of Gaming and Keeping Ownership Live.
@@joerocket5.Nope Xbox is king of everything. Xbox is about to take over playstation and pc and be the ultimate gaming machine monster. Daddy Phil 😍😍
Alex: You buy DLC and they just take it away.
Destiny 2: 🐸 🍵
Thanks a bunch for the mention on stopkillinggames! As far as options, we're not trying to mandate any one way of preventing game destructions, just that SOMETHING has to be done for it to be in a playable state after support ends and thankfully this practice hasn't been tested in quite a few countries. The more complaints people file, the more we'll likely have something happen!
Best of luck Ross! Btw parts of the French version aren't translated, like "Step 1" should be "Étape 1", "Priority: Low" should be "Priorité: Basse", etc.
47:40 "If you spend a lot of money on it you're going to be passionate about it" That is the nail on the head right there John. It's the emotional bondage to a product that causes fanboy-ism. It's invested money as well as time which later turns into nostalgia.
Sunk cost fallacy.
No one likes to think they spend their money "wrong", especially if the amount is significant to the spender
You're projecting again
MAG and Warhawk are 2 online games I miss that were permanently shut down.
The first Warhawk game on PS3 was so damn good. I spent so many hours playing it split screen online with some friends. What an absolute blast.
@@Torso6131 Yup same. It was one my my most played online games that gen along with MGS4 and Splinter Cell Double Agent and Uncharted 2.
Both those games would work so well in vr and psvr2 could run these no problem.
The invisible NPCs popping in is so ridiculous in DD2
It's intentional, the MC has poor eyesight.
Wait for denuvo to get removed, and community mods to come to the rescue
@@whereswarren3719 well I'm on series x so it probably won't help me lol
Cities are boring anyway. Outside, all is much better.
@@peteparker22 F
Running Man in the background is an epic move by John
Great movie.
I was just about say this lol
Good catch.
DMCA strike in 1-2-3
Here's Sub-Zero....Now.........PLAIN ZERO!
EULA's going the way of "Warranty Void" stickers would be truly revolutionary for videogames
I greatly enjoyed seeing Alex being genuinely hyped for prospect of trashing Jedi Survivor some more.
The #1 professional hater 😂
First of His Name, Defender of Quality, Target of Wrath
That game blows ahh
On ps5 it runs and looks just fine.
@@adriantrusca1245 It has the same traversal stutter on consoles.
You ever hear of the "law of constancy of pain"? It's this joking concept from Pixar computer animation, whereby even though processing power has increased exponentially, that processing power is simply used for higher quality rendering and more complex scenes, and as a result the render times have remained about the same for 30 years. I think that may be where 30 fps on console is at, and I'm not so sure it's going away any time soon, unfortunately - but at least we have 60 fps options in most major games.
the problem is 30fps will never be perceived as smooth motion by the human brain
you need at least 42fps
yep it's the same when you buy a new GPU but just crank settings up and have same fps.
True, 30FPS is the minimum that you can have in a game and it will unfortunately always be used as a crutch unless Sony or Xbox make it a requirement that a game runs at at least 60FPS which I think there should be.
As Alex once said: A 480p film has more 'realistic graphics' than 4k GTA San Andreas or something like that. Would rather have 1080p amazing graphics on PS5 than 4k compromised graphics, it always boils down to design choice. The average consumer appreciates the 4k, like the average consumer prefers 50MP smartphone camera with 'AI' processing, digital sharpening, fake HDR over a 24MP full frame camera with barebone processing.
But on PC I somehow went from playing the same game on my desktop PC @60 fps 1440p in 2019 to playing it on a laptop @144 fps 1440p in 2023. Going from top-end GTX 1080 to middlerange mobile RTX 4060 and from i5 8400 to i9 13900 but mobile. So this law you speak about somehow doesn't affect PC.
I hope the Stop Killing Games campaign takes off and makes it possible in the future for us to be able to sell or trade our virtual bought games. Now that is something I want for next gens.
I don't have much hope for it. The number of steps that they want people to do is quite daunting. Petitions struggle just because they've got one step.
Nice the video is in 2160p now! Makes for a nice improvement when you show gameplay footage
😂
I am looking forward to next week's episode.
I haven't seen "Total Recall" in a few years!
Is that the Running Man playing on John's TV? LOL😅
I'm glad it wasn't just me who noticed!
Alex gets some stick in the comments but I really appreciate him being on the panel, even when I don’t agree with him. Having different (or even difficult to understand!) opinions makes for a better, more interesting conversation.
He also has some technical knowledge, e.g. on how ray tracing is implemented in different GPUs, which all the others lack.
Alex gets a shit ton of that so called tech knowledge wrong.
Alex is just your run of the mill contrarian.
IMO the most important thing about The Crew not really delved into here is the fact that... It's literally a single player game! Ubisoft's marketing for it would make you think otherwise, but, the game is legit just a checklist style open world game (typical Ubi stuff) but you're in a car the whole game instead of being a human dude. Like seriously, when you load up the game the first time you're greeted with a scripted race + exposition dump followed by an expensive looking pre-rendered cutscene and then you're thrown out into the world to go find more story content.
To me that is why all of this is blowing up right now, cause even though the game had multiplayer it was all optional. This is just your bog standard Ubisoft single player game and it's completely gone now because of incompetence if we're being charitable or malice if we're being cynical.
while you are right, the very premise of it was there are people out in the real world, and to be honest the way it worked was great far better than Forza Horizon. So they have a game called the "the Crew" where the crew bit is no longer a thing. the PVP racing was a sidenote, the main thing was you just drive meet up with randoms all over the map, and do long drives in the Open World.
Also the DLC was MP focused such as the Police v Robbers
i think they figure well you have the Crew 2 that is now more feature complete than 1 and the map is the same but more detailed, more open.
If they introduced Cops v Robbers into 2, then the Crew 1 would not be as missed.
I hope Nighdive will remster Disruptor and the 2 Riddick games.
The presentmon data really is a game changer. It is a bit shocking that it's taken us until 2024 to have accessible ways to track what the CPU and GPU are doing in a game (the two most important components that we've been using for 30 years). The closest you've had up until this point are various debugging tools, but they were always a pain and complicated and I get the feeling that even in terms of game development, were really only used by the engineers. Actual game designers/artists etc, the people whose decisions have big impacts on game performance, probably aren't looking at CPU and GPU busy times. Which is a shame as even in Web Design, artists had to start becoming aware of technical details of the underlying HTML, Javascript, PHP CSS etc many years ago, and the industry evolved to support this.
Hopefully if DF can do a good enough job with this presentation enough important people will take notice and want this info available to themselves as well.
John was watching "Running Man";-) Great movie one of Arnold's best
Can anyone tell me what channel John is talking about that covers the Sega Saturn? I really want to watch it
Really excited for the PresentMon updates and the future technical coverage of games on DF!
1440p targeting is always more practical...
If only we have a wide model range of 1440p TVs... What a shame TV brands jumped from 1080p to 2160p. They must have offered something in the middle at first. 4K is just way too demanding, sometimes even when upscaled.
@@stangamer1151 You have to remember that TVs are primarily designed for viewing video content, not games. 4k is now pretty standard in the video world and a 1440p stop gap wasn't really necessary for that type of medium and didn't make much sense to do as an industry.
Plus, at normal TV viewing distances the blurring from simple upscaling methods is sooooo much less noticeable for most people compared to on a monitor. They optimized for the majority of content and the majority of viewers.
Personally, I don't think there would be much point to a 1440p TV unless you're using it like a monitor, in which case I'd just recommend you get a monitor.
@@TheDarksideFNothing The problem is there are not many big monitors, like 42-46 inches. And most of them cost more than a good 4K TV. Plus, monitors usually do not have headphone output and speakers.
For me 1440p screen looks identical to 4K one from a medium viewing distance (if we are talking about native renderer). But upscaled 4K renderer on a 4K screen looks less detailed, than native 1440p on a 1440p screen. 4K screens are very sensitive to the amount of rendered pixels, unfortunately.
@@stangamer1151 my point is that you have an extremely niche use case and that's why you don't see products that really satisfy your needs.
TVs are generally made for viewing video content from far away, monitors are generally made to sit on top of a desk relatively close up where above 40ish inches becomes unusably large.
Unfortunately, you probably represent less than 1% of people buying displays, so they just don't make anything that suits your needs perfectly.
The product you were describing would be unsuitable for most people compared to the things that are being made.
Hence why I bought a 2k monitor instead of a 4k one when the generation started.
Regarding the stop killing games campaign: while you do have to own The Crew to report this to places like the French consumer protection agency (which you can do even if you never been to France) the government petitions in the UK, Canada, Australia and the EU will be open to you even if you don't own The Crew.
Also in case of The Crew Ubisoft wouldn't have to make the server software available. All they would have to do would be to update the game so that you can access the single player content such as the campaign and AI races offline. Marvel's Avengers is getting an update like that now that it's shutting down meaning that you will continue to be able to play it.
Richard said Pro consoles last generation had an 80/20 split 'when available'. Wasn't that the total sales split across the entire generation? So given a literal mid generation launch, doesn't that mean they actually sold at a 60/40 split for the period they were available? edit: obviously the sales curve will play into that as my simple example assumes a straight line plot, but if sales tapered off towards the end of the generation that would just favour the Pro sales split even more.
Playstation Portal should have had a PS Vita port on it. That would have made it the next gen portable.
Big props to John mentioning that binaural audio trivia about Corpse Party for the Vita 🙌 underrated series and I had no idea about that nugget!
Blood Covered is easily the spookiest PSP game (hell any game) I’ve ever played. Still need to play Book of Shadows though. It’s just a shame the series is dead when it had so much more potential.
I'm glad you're talking about the encoding & quality for streaming videos online.
I can't confirm this, but 4k on RUclips/Netflix looks like the equivalent of 1080p Blu-rays, while 4k games/UHD Blu-ray looks MASSIVELY better than any 4k streaming.
That's why it's really annoying that so many movie studios only upload their trailers in 1080p on RUclips.... You're basically getting a trailer that looks like 720p or worse. At least when they upload in "4k," it actually looks like a proper 1080p trailer.
1080p looks like 4k if you stand far enough back :)
The bitrate of 4K video on RUclips is still way lower than a 1080P Blu-Ray. Maybe a keyframe can look better on RUclips but that’s only a single frame that drops in quality the moment there is movement. Blurays don’t have those compression artifacts.
I stopped paying for streaming services and just download the 4k remux from a google drive, Netflix is so bad at 4k. If they would up their bitrate I would come back even for 20$ a month, but I am not paying a premium for garbage.
@@JKSmith-qs2ii Ah, so I was being generous. Recently I was watching a 4k game trailer on here, and I could swear it looked about as good as a basic Blu-ray at best. Makes sense that it doesn't even reach that.
But I do know 1080p RUclips videos look awful.
3 generations in a row it's always the 30 60 debate with consoles. Developers have made it clear the priority is always 30 first, which is a shame, it's like they're stubborn and won't move onto 60 as a staple. Good the 4090 is a thing no more fps woes lol.
As Alex once said: A 480p film has more 'realistic graphics' than 4k GTA San Andreas or something like that. Would rather have 1080p amazing graphics on PS5 than 4k compromised graphics, it always boils down to design choice. The average consumer appreciates the 4k, like the average consumer prefers 50MP smartphone camera with 'AI' processing, digital sharpening, fake HDR over a 24MP full frame camera with barebone processing.
Resolution is the new "bits", the larger they sound, the more they sell.
For real. Gran Turismo 4 at 480p would look leaps and bounds more realistic than something like WRC9 on a Switch emulator at 4k.
@@DuelingPeakswhat kind of comparison is that gt4 is a ps2 game and does look worse than wrc9 on the switch
With respect to John being "Biased", I would have to agree. John is "biased" towards quality, and his own personal preferences.... So many words in the online lexicon really do devolve and lose their meaning without context. Where as originally it would be something line "John has an unfair or unconscious bias towards product xxx". Where it becomes evident when everything else is equal and you can see their natural learning towards a direction. Not when you have "here are the reasons why I prefer X over Y" there is nothing unconscious, implicit or unfair in that, they literally state their reasons.
Gamers are incredibly sensitive.
The irony is that pretty much only the biased nonsensical fanboy types are the ones who get mad in the first place.
everyone has biases, but you want people in certain positions to understand theirs and factor those into how they view, talk, and influence others. Instead, people whine about being called a fanboy and are not much better than random viewers talking about the same thing.
Can we talked about the fact that Jon just played "Running Man" as a whole in the back? I barely paid attention to the podcast this time, I was so invested in the movie 😂
2:02:49 I have given up on AAA. Indie games come out ALL the time and I don’t have to wait 5 years for the next ‘big’ title
I really appreciate the 4k60 video quality option. I'm not completely sure but i feel like it has been 1080p up until now.
It has not. I usually watch at 1440p, but 4k has always been there. At least for the year I've been watching.
That being said, sometimes youtube doesn't show all the options unless you refresh.
On the piece about owning games forever... Reminded me a lot about the Killzone franchise. No one really cared about the campaign in each game, but the MP part had such a dedicated following, KZ2, 3 and even Shadowfail, cough... fall, was a HUGE part of my MP gaming life. Am I right in saying that most of the Killzone games MP wise were peer to peer for hosting? This had it's own issues, but would it allow an easier way for MP games to "live forever" if only the game assets? were stored on a GG server. I am sure GG can afford a server for that minimum amount of data, after what they made from the Horizon franchise and as for Ubisoft... well. I would love to really understand the complications and costs a Game dev/company would have to really consider. All of the online support for Killzone was dropped a while back and even the MP games we were running in our own friends community not Public were no longer possible. Loosing our clans hurt so much after years of our lives are ingrained in that pixel soil.
That thumbnail 😂 Trying to work out whether they are mournful or lustful faces - its 50/50
1:15:10 I agree 100% with Alex. Community servers are so much better in every aspect and helps give games that special 'community' feel. People often ask themselves "why are games filled with toxicity these days???" without thinking how matchmaking is actually a big reason behind it.
Agree with the benefit of community servers. Sidenote, custom search parameters for matchmaking I feel can bring some of these benefits to matchmaking. Wish I could search my favorite map every time. Even requiring a minimum of like 4 or 5 favorite maps in most games could increase satisfaction.
At best you could argue that anonymity facilitates toxicity, but I don't think you can realistically say games are more toxic today because of prevalence of match making. There are plenty of games, the biggest franchises games even, that had incredible toxic communities in the 2000s.
Depending on how cynically you want to look at it, that toxicity is potentially by design in some cases. Remembering how Activision had some patents on pushing MTX by dynamically manipulating your matchmaking, it feels very much like the sort of thing which may have some more nefarious backing to it.
But also, on community servers if someone's being a dickhead you could just ban them straight up, which helped, lol.
@@izuthree That's not cynical at all, it's reality. LoL decides whether you'll win or lose before you start playing. You're nothing more than a "bot" in someone else's game, there to entertain them until you've been allocated a "win" slot by the engagement algorithm.
@@izuthree Yeah that patent says how damage, recoil, aim, hitboxes, ping and more are adjusted to "balance" any given game. You can really feel it in call of duty games and even pros talk about it.
Good monday DF.
The running man in the background after John put out that fire on his TV.
Beard's looking great, John!
Presentmon seems like the perfect tool to eliminate outlier stutters on the user-side if the developers don't care to repair their turd. Be that frame limiting or frame-gen.
I guess if you are able to diagnose a treatable issue...
In a lot of games there's just nothing you can do as an end user no matter what.
The cutback to John at 36:14 gave me a chill. Salem's Lot!
Hey DF! Why don't you guys make a dedicated video about video capture and encoding? We need a step up on video quality for gaming and you guys are the only ones who can solve that!
My issue with the PS Portal is that it requires internet to use. I really wish it could be used locally without the internet like the Vita and PS4. I can get needing to sign in once but why does it need internet access every time I want to use it while I’m at home connected to the same network my PS5 is?
I'm sure Portal 2 and PS6 will be designed to have also a direct connection like WiiU.
@@parazels83and PSVR 3 won't be abandoned by Sony
Yeah, I really don't get the community love over PS Portal. It's such a technically inferior product.
Because they'd have to make games for it. This way your library is already compatible.
@@parazels83it would be a mistake if it doesnt wii u did that in 2012
23:30 if your base resolution is too low it's going to look like shit in both DLSS and FSR. Low quality input is the issue. Your output is going to only be as good as your input, and this goes for anything that uses AI or machine learning upscaling, no matter what.
Edit: slight typo
While absolutely true, FSR2.2 and below have particularly more noticeable issues at low resolutions that dlss, TSR, and XeSS don't usually show. Looks like they fixed it in 3.1 though.
That being said I stand by not upscaling below 1080p input resolution on any form of upscaling anyway.
@@Torso6131 True, but lower resolution means less data for it to fill the gaps, with current upscaling tech, there are limits on what they can do with lower resolution, but once A.I. tech is really being taken advantage off, I suspect they could go much lower resolution whiles delivering far better image quality, as well as being able to manipulate the image in countless other ways, which we might start seeing over the next 5-10 years.
All Digital Foundry content looks fantastic imo! The extra effort and dedication really shows! Be it 1080, 1440, 2160p. Even on my 2020 imac, which has a lush LG panel, every res looks fab. Interestingly, all content also runs without getting my Mac overexcited . So much other content on RUclips, which doesn't look as good, can really start to stress it out. Is this also encoding that can have an affect on performance of the computer running video footage, or if not what anyone please?
2020 imac struggling with RUclips videos???
@@joeykeilholz925 didn't say struggling, but visible that vs other videos at a less resolution, some peoples vids are using a noticeable greater amount of resources. I was interested to know if this can happen/be to do with coding or any other editing that different folk do before showing on RUclips. I can't be the only one to notice that every 4k for example video on RUclips, doesn't play the same. Using istat to see what cpu cores, gpu etc are doing, there is a noticeable difference. I am not a content creator so would like to understand what could be going on
I just realized Alex could probably pull off a pretty good Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg (Garry Oldman) cosplay, from the Fifth Element.
Love Jon's VR rants. I'm glad he is one of us.
Wonder if John's running of Running Man will get DF a strike on this video after all the work they put into it.😅
Yay!!! I dodnt get these notifications but it seems my fingers are always right on time!!!
Is that running man on the TV in the background?
Richard, which of your numerous PS5s did you play on today?
I have yet to see one game that takes advantage of my Series X. I am so disappointed with this generation. It's weird, it seems like this gen hasn't even started and yet we are already talking about new consoles.
I mean you must not play games then or more likely don't even have a series x. Most xbox gamers are very happy with next gen offerings from MS and Gamepass.
@@mattmaas5790 when you say "most xbox gamers" you should realize that you're talking about a playerbase that is smaller than it's previous generation which shows that "most" gamers are increasingly dissatisfied with the xbox as a whole
@@mr.b1613 that's not true, you can't be dissatisfied with something you have never used. iPhone is also eradicating the usebase of android phones right now and all it really shows is the power of internet group think on kids. Even though iPhone is great android is still good.
@@mr.b1613 appealing to simply popularity doesn't really work on me, I've learned there's lots of dumb people out there.
@mattmaas5790 sorry I've got both a Series X and PS5 in my game room and my son has a Series S and I will say it once again that I have yet to see one game that takes advantage or truly pushes the Series X so try again.
Found it incredibly rude having Arnold on a Zoom call but never letting him speak. At least Duddleson got a few words in here and there.
Shoutout to John keeping the beard alive! Lookin snazzy brother! Keep it going
I wonder if the issue with Dragon's Dogma NPCs and performance has anything to do with the character creator. There's so much granular detail you can do with that, and it seems like the NPCs that populate the world were built in the same way as the player/pawn. It's like the character creator still has its "hooks" in the NPCs, rather than them being baked out to just meshes. Just speculation, of course.
I guess if it's physics-related, It could be that they're calculating all the interactions with the game world directly to some greater level of detail than is necessary or even apparent. Maybe they needed to up the accuracy to keep things from falling through the world or something.
I like this theory. I have watched the Gamers Nexus video on DD2 and it clearly showed full utilization of the hardware(all CPU cores). So, you have to wonder what calculations are they doing that the hardware is fully utilized yet the game runs this bad. The visuals clearly aren't that impressive for the current hardware to bottleneck just like that.
The reason the NPCs (in DD2 and BG3 specifically) are so draining is because they all have to be able to respond appropriately when a fight breaks out, they all basically run the same ai as the pawns, the system has to be able to have 20+ of them fighting a dragon in the middle of a dense city at any moment, that shit ain't easy. People can argue whether having all the NPCs being unique, persistent and as capable as each other was a good choice or not, but Capcom made their choice and it would require quite drastic redesigns to "fix" performance.
@Velocifero Strategy games did that 20 years ago. An optimized engine simply doesn't need a beefy CPU for that. They probably just messed up the pathfinding algorithm or something like that.
Did we play the first hellblade?? Cus I could tell exactly what was going on in the combat. I loved it in the first game
Regarding networked game preservation, at the very least server API contracts should be published and the server endpoint configured so FOSS implementations can be made.
The video compression discussion makes me wonder why we don't see more AV1 encoded videos on RUclips these days.
Check how many general purpose hardware have av1 decoder
@@ajibsaladka Yeah but RUclips probably encodes several versions when uploading something (for example for the different resolutions) and will also encode some kind of fallback for people who can't natively decode AV1.
I had the same reaction as John, hearing Alex talk about the Hellblade 2 preview.
The first game already had a lot of those things. The stone faces, along with the zoom in button to trigger interactions with the environment. The HUDless combat, and the seamless blend between gameplay and scripted sequences.
Alex is really against anything xbox if you really pay attention. Go back to every time he did A HB2 segment. Hear is tone & what he's saying. Every segment he is negative towards HB2. Despite the world saying it's atleast A showstopper.
17:43: As Richard rightfully predicted July 2020: 'In actual fact, the evidence suggests that the 30fps performance target underpins the majority of Sony's impressive first-party offerings including [number of games mentioned, all with a solid 60fps option]. It's seemingly a key point of difference between Playstion 5 and Xbox Series X[...].'
He just just muddled up PS5 and XSX. Can happen to anyone.
A lot of PS5 games aren't running on UE5 either. They are also mostly cross-gen as well. & those same games would run 60fps on A XSX as well. Just like HB2 would run at 30fps on PS5 too... It's UE5.
@@mikebrown9051 Are you sure, you replied to the comment you wanted to? I said nothing about UE5, and Rich didn't either. He talked out of his, well mind, promoting the view that due to its hardware supremacy XSX would outperform PS5 with 60fps in 1st-parties. I find it important to hint at former wrong assertions so that we remember them should a new Xbox gadget be marketed ostentiously by Microsoft and Rich falls for their hook (the first is a given, the second highly probable considering Digital Foundry's performance lately).
Factually your statement is true. Nethertheless, it doesn't allude to my statement.
@@oliverimmich781 only in relation to HB2. Because it was that segment still. Sony's impressive 60fps offerings are due to some older engines & some of their own in-house engines. So to say that in the HB2 segment to maybe say they are... But they aren't. Is not taking those things in consideration.
except MS also has 60fps offereings, and Sony has plenty of not-really-60 games on its platform. Take your stupid console bias and shove it.
@@xBINARYGODx 'console bias' He who mentions it first (esp. in an impolite way like you did) is the only one afflicted by it.
For the rest: examples!
This episode has been one of the most interesting ones by far, mainly due to John's TV, I was watching that thing all the time
Did not expect John to mention Corpse Party this episode, but not entirely surprised!
Around what time was that?
@@elcapitan2293 25:47
DF Direct Weekly # 157 - some said it would be impossible to reach such a milestone, but here we are!
Hellblade 2's combat looks much like Hellblade's. But with more wrinkles. Same with puzzles. Which is great. There is zero UI clutter in the first game.
Hellblade combat was smooth at 60fps though whereas Hellblade 2 looks like a blurry slideshow
@@vandammage1747But you do know the first HB was 30fps until the pro consoles came out right? So truthfully this isn't some odd thing.
That “Right? What’s all this then?” alias made me laugh so loud at 1am here I had to contain myself
I think it will be rough at first, but my brain will adjust to 30fps and I will never notice it again. Sea of Thieves offers 120 mode on Series X and I never use it because it’s not worth the trade off.
I know the challenge is split-screen rendering doesn’t jive efficiently with modern engines unfortunately, but if I were a game dev I wouldn’t support online multiplayer unless I could also support equivalent offline split-screen functionality and/or LAN support for preservation’s sake.
It's also a massive problem to try to run two separate view frustums at anything remotely resembling the game under normal circumstances.
But I think one of the biggest drivers in reality is that publishers and execs pushed for online only because that leads to more play time and more micro transaction sales overall across the community even if it's often less fun.
@@TheDarksideFNothing Thanks for the comment. I imagine you’re definitely right, at least for a ton of modern games.
John’s beard looking nice 👌
Yes it is and may I say so is yours! My son was just mentioning the other day how he can't grow a beard and I said give it time! I was the same until one day it just kind of happened lol.
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I started streaming PS5 to the steam deck OLED this week and it's a practically flawless experience.
4:24 Wow, that is pretty mind blowing. They somehow turn a real rock face into a perspective dependent optical illusion. How is this even done? I assume they don't know player perspective / position in advance, so they must have some way of generating a matching optical illusion on the fly.
Watch it again, there's a really bright flash on the screen to hide a model/models swap and all the "face" details that remain seem to me (a guess really since like the guys mention the feed is low quality) to exhibit parallax effect artifacts that slowly fade to help sell the transition. We'll at least need a better quality video to know more, though I think the effect is at least partially faked ("enhanced").
It seems they just project the screen space of the rock face as a texture over the new scene, which makes it look like the rock face from that one perspective.
I saw a video recently which did that in a surrealistic environment where the geometry changed every time you stood still, but it wasn't noticable until you moved again because they did the screen space texture projection trick.
I have no issue with 30fps console gaming. What I didn't appreciate was the messaging from the devs; the letterboxing and only 30fps mode would give it a cinematic look. That's complete BS, since PC is offering a higher framerate (and likely a full-frame option). Just say they're there to maintain performance (the same way it was for The Order: 1886).
Besides, you can still have a decently cinematic look at 60fps; Kojima achieved this with MGSV and Death Stranding - neither of those games suffer from the "soap opera effect" even at 60fps.
Those games were 1080p or lower. I agree they look great, though.
Well the cutscenes went down to 30fps, but yeah I agree.
@@ContrastCopy MGSV was 60 in cutscenes too I think (using PS4/XB1 version as a reference)?
You're right about the original DS with that though; I was thinking about the Directors Cut which had 60fps in both Gameplay and cutscenes, so that's my bad.
@@ContrastCopy nobody cares about cutscene framerate though. 30fps is still higher than movies
@@vandammage1747 i dont control moveies with my mouse or controller, and they have real life motion blur - so 24 is fine enough.
Software laws should be rewritten to ensure, just like physical mediums, that they are PERMANENTLY yours and also that if a company is going to create software that they are legally mandated to always ensure access to the game. If they can't do so, they shouldn't be in the software business and be fined for fraudulent behavior. Imagine if someone sold you a dishwasher or a book...and then years later, they arrived at your home to tell you that dishwasher or book is no longer yours and removed access to it. In the case of The Crew for example...it'd literally be like they came into your house, smashed the dishwasher to bits, and then left...leaving a broken mess that cannot be used despite it having been a perfectly fine product beforehand.
Turn based Hellblade sounds super interesting. You can make the psychosis into a mechanic adding to the limited and possibly contradictory information the game provides.
Feel a wee bit sorry for Ninja Theory. The disproportionate level of hate being thrown at them for their marketing guy's "cinematic 30fps" bollocks is more a symptom of any negative news about anything related to xbox being easy console warrior click-bait at the moment rather than any good faith, constructive criticism.
They brought it on themselves for dissapointing in so many ways, which is a sentiment of the entire xbox brand for a long while now
@@mr.b1613Ninja Theory isn't "the entire xbox brand" though. Which is why it's disproportionate.
Plenty of other xbox games run @60 or 120fps. One studio deciding to go all out on visual spectacle @30fps is of course a decision one can disagree with, but it has nothing to do with the whole childish "xbox sux" narrative that's rampant online at the moment.
@@mr.b1613I think you should think that a game sequel should be have expectations set by, Y’know, the original game. If you look at it like that, it looks like an excellent and fitting successor.
@@alzzer3414 When GTA 6 drops and its also at 30 fps people are gonna be using the "30 fps is fine" narrative, same thing with the PS5 Pro also only being able to do 4K30, people are delusional and just want something to bark about, ignore the bigotry you see online and play your games, personally cant wait for HB2.
@@alzzer3414 It's not just one studio trying to push the limits and needs 30fps to do that though, it's yet another Xbox exclusive coming out at 30fps. So now we'll have to see if it's justified because most of the others aren't.
What I never got with the dev time cycles
Tomb Raider 2013
Rise 2015
Shadow 2018
All games were improvements on each other(still think Rise had a better payoff). These are all 13-20hr games. How do other games take 4-5 years, for a single platform
Shadow was developed by a different studio (Eidos-Montréal) as Crystal Dynamics were working on Marvel's Avengers, I believe but yes, a 2 year gap, even a decade ago is mightily impressive given the quality and scope of those games.
All those games blow ahh so they shouldn't have even taken that long to make
@@emiami458 regardless of what you think about the gameplay / story, the graphics are great (for the time) and the environments are quite large and detailed, and those are what takes dev time
I recently tried TLOU Part 1, and the shader compilation wasn't too long. Not sure of exact length, but definitely less than 10 mins, despite my CPU thermal throttling through most of it.
Yup, Alex is certainly on old information. It takes about 20 min using a Ryzen 5 5600 from what I've seen last. It might've been patched even further.
took just 3 seconds of seeing that shirt knowing it was The Running Man!
Glad to see Alex is still holding together after the Stellar Blade demo release! Stay strong bro! Don't break down!
30fps dominates the conversation... Hmmm must mean people want 60fps and not 30fps games as a movie.
No current console would run HB2 at 60fps.
For some reason, I keep tilting my head to make sure that am seeing Alex and his background well🙃
Extra issue with not having a LAN mode is that when you live in southern Africa for example you're often at least 180 ping away from the closest server, and you just have a suboptimal experience when you're playing online with your friends that are right next to you
The solution that John recommended for "stop killing games" is exactly what NCSoft did for City of Heroes and it was awesome. They gave the source code/server information to the fan community so they could run it going forward and they just have to pay a small license fee. More companies should do that for the community!
Minus the fee
I honestly don't know why this doesn't happen more often, it seems great
You should make a guide for people to successfully make You Tube Videos of gameplay footage.
Alex using Oliver as some kind of dark magic knowing casting a graph is funny
John has "The Running Man" on the TV behind him lol. I watched that movie this past weekend for the first time.
I was thinking that an anime remake, or prequel, would be awesome. It's an interesting concept.
I love how much John hates the PlayStation Portal 😂, I agree that it’s an unnecessary device. And people are paying $250+ for them on eBay 🤯
I paid $300 for a Logitech G Cloud which is kinda like playstation portal. For me being able to carry around my $3000 PC through streaming is an epic upgrade for gaming.
£200 don't seam to bad to me when a new game can cost £70 I like mine I'm playing more games because of it performance is good but that might be down to my fast Internet connection hey ho
@@mattmaas5790 I just don’t think streaming is a good experience, not when there are options like the Steam Deck for slightly more. But at least you have the freedom to install emulators and other streaming apps (not just PS remote play). Although I still think the G-cloud is overpriced (or should have came with a more powerful processor than what it is). You can get an Ayn Odin with a Snapdragon 845 and much better CPU/GPU for native android games and emulators.
@@galaxydave69 Hey, it’s your money. I’ve never been able to get PS remote play to work well, even though I have 500Mbps download and 100Mbps upload, it works so poorly that I wouldn’t dream of buying a portal. But using Steam Link from my desktop PC works well enough that I could see myself using it except that I already have a steam deck would rather play the games on that.
I know quite a lot of people are happy with theirs; unsurprisingly people are willing to pay for simplicity, quality and ease of access (assuming, the PsPortal those, I don't own one)
Gamespot and IGN video production getting put on blast! Love to see it 5:22 😂😂
This episode, I would say, is bespoke, and I would argue, it’s fair enough
1:12:34
It’s not just that Ubisoft don’t want anyone to touch the crew. It’s, we want people to buy the latest version of the crew so we won’t provide anyway to access it at all.
I find it strange how alex over complicated his analysis of hellblade 2 when it looks extremely familiar to the first game combat wise and and exploration through puzzles you have to line up in your vision, he seemed unnecessarily negative im glad john called him out on his points. It was even more strange considering he said he completed the first game.
You find it strange because it is not true. What you see as negative is talking about an absence of judgement and not marking something as bad. Impression does not replace evidence.
@@mckidney1 the evidence is the game looks similar to the first
@@mckidney1 oh palease, he has been shown to talk out both sides his face before - but hey, if it aligns with YOUR biases, I am sure its just fine, of course.
I'm confused by Alex being confused by Hellblade 2's gameplay. Did he not play the first one? Because the basics are very obviously the same...
I think Alex tends to look for stupid things to whine about with certain games.
@@BasePuma4007I feel like he’s never satisfied with anything.
He's a PlayStation fanboy lol
He's a PC-fanboy, so he don't care about anything console unless it's comparisons
I don't know, I think they all whine quite a lot about everything and anything. Its like the Weekly DF Whine Show. Getting a bit old.
Does it still explore the mental health and state of Senua? Does it continue where the previous game ended? Or is there a gap in time?
It sounds like it does
It looks as pretentious as the last one, yes.
Wow, the stuff Alex was talking about is interesting, and sounds like it's going to be big for you guys going forward!
Console owners want 60fps now. They just have to realize that advanced graphics and "true next gen" isn't a thing
99% of modern games are basically 60fps. It's the last 1% mainly from low standard Xbox studios that's creating an outrage
That was to be expected about UE5 though. What’s the surprise here. And no most gamers want both. Graphic improvements over time and high frames. Only RUclips comment people just care about frame rates. I doubt most gamers even think about it. I bet PC gamers do but I bet most console players just want to play the game and not have it noticeably messed up.
The fuck is he complaining about with hellblade 2 😂
It's a dissapointment
He's whining about how ign and gamespot encode and upload their footage.
@@ObiWanShinobi67 yeah I get it now but why was that his focus like it was a big deal or had anything to do with the game itself 😂
@@AlphaDwg it's another 30fps disappointment from Xbox
He isn't complaining about the game. He just said that he can't say much yet, because the footage didn't really show what he needs to see.
Don't know how but would love your take/deep dive on Apple Vision Pro because of all your knowledge on screens/VR/VR Headsets, usability etc
Palworld has player-run dedicated servers!
Ugh, Hellblade 2 will be 2 hours of walking, 3 hours of puzzles, and 1 hour of combat.
The first game was sooo boring. So much exaggerated acting, voice over, walking / running sections, uninteresting puzzles, slow and basic combat. Too much "cinematic", too little gameplay and actually engaging.