Biggest Gravel Driveway Mistake People Make!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Welcome to Gravel Driveway Recovery, your go-to source for all things related to gravel driveway maintenance and improvement! In this insightful video short, we'll tackle one of the most common mistakes people make when it comes to their cherished gravel driveways.
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Good explanation of what NOT to do. What SHOULD be done?
Need tiny rocks/breeze on top of the bigger rock then compacting it all
Hahahah me too
@@BabashiSensei but clearly they have both so what went wrong exactly...
Did you even listen to the video?
@@otallonodude watch the video to the end. Watch it twice. Now a third time. Now take cornell notes on it. The quiz is this friday
The “fines” also filter to the bottom as well as get washed and blown away. Gravel driveways are just not, a no maintenance kind of solution that some people think they are.
In the country on a budget yes it's what we do. I just had mine done as well. He did the big rock base first then put 2AA on top of that. It need sand on top now I think he calls it fines
That’s why you install fabricate under it 😂🤣
@@oneofgodschildren3” then 1.5” and then your ca6 with fines. And don’t forget the fabric
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May be a silly question but what are "fines"? A certain type of sand or concrete?
Crushed rock
Does that spread on top of the rocks or do the rocks s0read on top of fines?
You can get it mixed already. It's what crusher-run is.
Finer sized (smaller) crushed stone
Fines are what gov forces you to pay in addition to taxes when you have too much fun
Throw some dry concrete on top of the gravel lightly.... then you get a hard base.
No. Cement not concrete. Stay in the office.
@@johnconnor7131 I don't work in an office. HA!
He is being picky because cement is in concrete. Concrete is cement mixed with aggregate.
But we knew what you meant! 😊
@@johnconnor7131 I mean, if catherine puts an entire pathway of cement over this gravel it does give you a hard base
@@JonesyMcDanes she said lightly throw some on . A light dusting of cement of is doing nothing to a driveway, she also said concrete which is cured cement so she knows bugger all
Did a driveway with railroad ballast base followed by a mix 2 scoops 57 crusher run 1 scoop #4. 4 years later still no pot holes or defects.
Well done! Thank you for watching.
How did you mix it up?
@susanburns1089 the rock plant I got the rock from mixed it up in a pile with a wheel loader. Most rock places will if you ask them.
If you have a tractor and box blade, set the blades about 1 inch or so. Have them dump 57 then on top number 4. Run the box blade over it a few times and it should work itself in. If it's just moving the number 4 around set the box blades lower by 1/2 inch until it mixs.
This makes no sense if you buy 3/8 or 5/8 minus it has the fines in it and this happens no matter what
@@shawnlepine5788it does make sense. He has a mix of #4 and #57. Those don't come with fines.
We have a steep driveway and used compacted angled stone with fines and all it did was dust up and become even more slick during dry summers. Put a heavy layer of compacted 3 and 4inch clean angular stones down and it worked so much better no more skidding up the hill, but maybe thats cause its steep. Seems that dusting up isn't an issue on regular driveways.
3-4 inch stones sound pretty big for driveways.
@@lauracampa1838 they worked fantastic! Just make sure to compact at 12k pound compaction rate so they lock together. It's a 13% slope and we tried everything else, finally listened to some logger's on a form. It's so nice to get up easily now. Worth all the work!
I still prefer loose gravel driveways ect, over time rocks break and creat their own fines and also sentiment from the surroundings.
Sentiment 🤣🤣
@@untitled6391 😂 woops!
I get Sentimental about this myself.
If you go to the store what do tell them you need? What is the actual name of the stuff? Gravel sand? Paver sand? Crushed gravel?
Crusher or 'Crush and Run'
@@graveldrivewayrecovery Thank you so much for responding! This will help us out!
I get three quarter minus then sprinkle Portland over it.By next rainstorm it's packed in from driving over it.RlThe rain gives enough moisture to start the cure and I get a concrete driveway.
This is 100% true! I see so many home where I live with rock driveways but no fines and not compacted. much better for regular use, bad weather and less maintenance!
well you can use used tires ,, you dig out the dirt as deep as the tire is thick, you also cut out the sidewalls of the tire, you nail the tires together then you dump any kind of gravel down, the tires get filled in and keeps the gravel in place and will never ever get a rut or pot hole, the you will never get water build up because the water will seep down through the gravel..
Sounds exciting! Thanks for watching!
P.S. it more than likely would take say 4 to 8 tires on the area you showed..put 4 tires down with the center of the pot hole being the center of the 4 tires then expand out from there as big as you need to fix the area...all the best...
That's an interesting idea. It would take a lot of tires to do an entire driveway (roughly a 1000 to do a 500' driveway?) but I'm sure you could come up with them. You could even charge people say half of what they normally pay to dispose of them at a tire store. If I tried this I might only cut the bead out of the top of the tire so the bottom would help keep the gravel from pushing into the ground. I would also want all the tires to be the same "thickness" so the top of the tires would all be the same. A very interesting idea.
@@benvoeller8946 maybe, here"s another part, a bit more work though, depending on how deep you want the driveway or walk way, you can cut the tire in half /down the center of the tire that way you get 2 pieces of the tire out of 1 tire, granted it wont be as deep but would only need half of your 1000 tires....but even with the 1000 tires you talk about, never having to worry about pot holes, or ruts ever again is priceless, also if you use the whole tire, you will be able to drive ANYTHING over it..JUST MY EXTRA 2 CENTS... LOLOL....P,S, if you want , you can also use railroad ties for curb on the outside of the tires, nail the railroad ties down with 1/2 inch rebar...say 2 1/2 feet to 3 feet long,,, nail 3 in each railroad tie to make sure it stays in place....again JUST MY EXTRA 2 CENTS.....LOLOL yes keep all the tires the same size for sure, telling potential customers that and how long it would last with a guarantee or how ever many years you want,,
Who the f has time for that? Faster just to drag the driveway top once a year
If you have a clay soil with lots of sand and gravel in it, you can make really easy and free pathways that don't turn to mud by making a gravel trommel with 1/2" harware cloth that separates the large gravel fron the fine. Most of the clay and dirt will fall through the trommel and you can then wash and use the larger gravel as the base layer between 1" and 2" deep. Then take the finer dirt and gravel that fell through the trommel and wash it in a bucket so that about 90-95% of the clay is suspended in the water while all the heavier sand and gravel drops to the bottom. Then carefully pour off the clay water until you have left a very soupy but thick mixture of fine gravel and sand with about 5-10% clay still in the mix. Now dump this wet mix ontop of the base gravel and it will mostly self level and fill all the voids in the base gravel. You can then compact the wet mix while its still very wet and then trowel smooth the top after if desired. After a few hours the excess water will soak into the ground and you will be left with a very hard compacted pathway that wont turn to mud. Over time the top layer of fine sand may wash away so that the gravel underneath is somewhat exposed, but the small amount of clay in the mix binds everything together but theres not enough clay for it to ever get muddy. It also looks much better if you have some large and various size flat rocks to use in the path as pavers so that its not just all samd gravel that looks all the same.
The loose limestone allows water drainage
The 2 most important things to having a gravel drive that holds up it 1. A good base, get all that topsoil off and start with #2 crush and go up. 2 dont drve like and idiot! You go fast and it will throw all the gravel off the top, dont accelerate hard and dig holes. Having a dust blend is essential to hold it all together but i also like to put a thin layer on top without dust because if it rains it turns that dust to mud. If you dont drive like an idiot that loose stone will stay on your driveway
When it comes to building a drive, everyone has their own opinion and everyone believes they are 100% right.
I did this when taking out the grass on the side of my home. It's not really a driveway, but I do sometimes park my pickup here? I just dug it out, put down landscaping tarp and then rocks. Should I add sand or something. I just hate seeing the grass and weeds come up. I don't really drive on it much. But sometimes I do.
What are "fines" where do you get that?? Do i just ask for it where i buy the gravel ??
A driveway with "fines" as you say is a messy driveway when it is dry and when wet. A dusty cloud when dry and a vehicle and garage mess when wet.
It's not that messy at all once it's packed, and it's a lot more desirable than gravel that moves and slips because it isn't packed with fines. For instance, try riding a motorcycle on gravel without fines.
With all those fines or reject lime as it's called around here, you drive THRU it when wet. An old timer told me a good gravel driveway consists of several sizes of gravel, from 1/2" Chat to 1 3/4" rock. Your drive needs a Crown in the center for the water to run off to the sides and either into a French drain leading to a small basin or a drainage ditch with 3-4" Drainage Stone at least 12" wide. Plenty of sharp rising Driveways up the side of River Bluffs stay in place this way.
@@Gruuvin1 Just spend the extra money and put in pavers lol. It'll look nicer and raise property value
@@tuanas458 "pavers lol"?
Any idea how many pavers it takes to do a 14 foot wide driveway that is 1000 feet long? And how much labor it costs to do it?
Thanks for your expert opinion. (LoL)
@@Gruuvin1 lol how you finna be able to afford to have a driveway that big and cheap out on pavers? Cheapo depo over hea.
Buy a heavy duty ground grid, fill it with your chosen gravel and call it a day.
My gravel driveway is 400 feet long and downhill the whole way from the road to the house. I have become an expert at maintaining a gravel driveway over the 12 years we have lived here.
I bet! Thanks for sharing!
What do you do to keep it in tact!? Thanks!!
@uri3961 first thing I did was remove the landscaping timbers they had along the edge of the driveway, it wasnt along the whole length but along parts of the driveway, The water couldn't get off and would run down the middle like a river because previous owner didnt maintain it with a crown in the center and I think they were trying to keep the gravel from washing off toward the edges. I also quit using crushed limestone gravel, it just washed out to bad and I started using what we call county gravel around here, not sure of the technical name for it but it is brownish red smooth river rock with fines and clay in it and it's not dusty like the limestone. I keep it crowned in the center and in the curves I keep it high on one side. Main thing is to shed the water off to the sides or it will run down the driveway like a river. But the best thing I did was stop using the limestone it just washed out to easy but the county gravel I use I usually only have to grade it 3 or 4 times a year and it holds up great. With the limestone it needed work after nearly every time it rained. This county gravel has alot of moisture in it when they bring it and when you get graded out and packed in it sets up hard. Limestone may be ok for a drive on flat ground, but not for me on mine thats all downhill. Took me about 2 years and around $4k worth of gravel to get it built up like I wanted, mostly because the previous owner just didn't maintain worth a damn, but once I got it like I wanted it it's been pretty easy maintenance since then.
What kind of gravel mix do you have?
I just moved to a house with a long gravel driveway like yours on a hill and it was perfect until it started snowing this winter. After a few snowstorms and plowing the snow the gravel is all messed up. What do you do after a snowstorm to keep the gravel driveway in good condition?
My driveway is 24 years old the fines have been washed away its just sge its not s mistake its just not permanent
2nd one looks better though
He says what not to do, but not what to do lol.
He said what to do. Watch again
We usually place a nice layer of crushed/recycled concrete over our gravel.
So you recommend what
I have tuscan fines to use between my pavers but there is an excess amount of dust. if i shake off the excess dust first, will this be ok?
Fines = small rock or gravel?? Would large gravel with a layer of crush and run on top work well? Does this help with weeds growing through?
fines is rock dust.
Let's not forget. A base is a mix of big and little gravel.. then you put some clean on top so your feet don't track the fines ans so you don't get standing water which creates pot holes
Hi! Seems like you are a pro in compaction.i wanna hand and plate compacte a foundation base dirt footing that i will trest the dirt with sand and small rock like in your video.did you recommend crush stone dust or just anwashed sand that one used for concrete mix ? And then i will send concrete footing in it !maybe an advice 😊thx
Im buying an implement for my tractor that decompacts the gravel back up to the surface, as though it was freshly laid down. Gravel is different from roadbase.
Any ideas for gravel road instead of driveway, we are towards the top of a small hill and get wash out bad and pot holes. The foundation is very uneven too, do we need a higher fines/lg rocks ratio? Do we need to add more clay dirt to even out the foundation or does that matter
There should be thrown more fines over the loose rocks
What are fines? Lol
Fine gravel, smaller gravel
Like sand, the water washes it away when it splashes or runs off the road
Problem is to make it stay. You need to put a border on either side so it doesn’t get washed away because it probably had fines which is just smaller sand or whatever and it got washed away and that’s why the other rocks are loose because there are no borders on either side of the driveway.
mechanical concrete could do that. using waste tires to confine the lateral movement of stone
Now tell us the rest - that the difference is merely the compaction from your car wheels vs the area in the middle that isn't compacted.
Your demonstration show that the fines are present under the loose stone, but it hasn't been packed down.
What’s the fines ?
Some people don’t like the dust which makes washed stone good for a driveway.
That’s why I prefer the recycled concrete ca6 with fines.
is the pure sand or with cement?
Crushed rock. Thanks for watching!
This video is Pure Gold🔥
Thank you for watching!
Is that a mixture that made with “fines” and larger rock or how does that work?
Crusher or crush and run. It is technically called roadbase.
Biggest mistake is putting over 50mm of stone on top should be mot compacted then 50mm of stone/gravel grids to stop moving and mess
what's your opinion on mechanical concrete using waste tires to hold the stone together
This is what I tell any of my friends or neighbors when they are hauling in road base, is to make sure they work with it wet so the the super fines will stick to the larger gravel
What about ground asphalt I’ve heard it stays together nice
There is a lot of debate about millings.
Fines as in Item #4 base compacted then 3/4”Angular shaped gravel for minimum movement over that . Bingo
Thanks for watching!
So are you saying you need to mix the two when you put them down?
Rock first. Then fines. Then compact.
Don't get clear crushed stone.
@@Yodrop Thanks!
@@graveldrivewayrecoveryI’ve read some people say crusher run first 3-4” thick compact it then gravel. Which one is it?
Fines are great if you like goo and mud. People top dress with clear to have a slime free walking/driving experience. Fines down below. Those smooshed spots also become potholes.
It's not the customer it's the driveway contractor. Min concrete thickness should be 6 in concrete. Plus add fines
I sprinkled a bunch of concrete powder on my gravel driveway and lightly sprayed it with a hose afterward. It's not a permanent solution by any means but it's a lot better than it was
Thanks for watching!
what do you think a 6" Heavy slab does to loose gravel? ill give you a hint, concrete BONDS to gravel! all that weight, given its formed up correctly, it aint goin no where. i know because i do this for a living. 100% MISINFORMATION content. js
What are fines? Would it be like me driving over gravel with a muddy UTV and leaving clumps of mud all over it? My son in law said “Don’t worry about it Kate, the mud will just make the gravel stronger.”
Agreed man. Now imagine (as a Civil Engineer) going to your church groups meeting place and seeing some Darwin Award nominees rebuilding the car park by putting this type of gravel at the bottom of the soak wells with no fines and no compaction and expecting the soak wells not to sink under the finished asphalt pavement. Makes a part of me die inside.
Had gravel laid, but was dumped uneven, after leveling out, the big rocks are on top, loosely, while the fines went below.. Could using deep scar-fires on land plane fix it?
So, there are fines but there are not fines. The big rocks are moving because of the lack of fines but there are fines and they've been washed away leaving just fines but the fines have bedded together!
Well thats just a fine explanation...
What are you talking about, that driveway clearly has fines, but the fines have all settled below in a wet mud. Obviously something else is the problem here.
Looking at doing a crushed rock driveway for my little cottage. I LOVE the way it sounds driving on it too. Thank you for this tip!
Thank you for your comment!
How do I get "fines"? Do I ask the gravel yard to give me 1/2 rock and half fines?
Put a solution out there, dear fellow.
It all sinks down and stays put regardless after a month or two
If only the aggregate knew that!
Lol, not if your driveway happens to be on a hill...
@rebeccagaines9083 My last 3 loads I got were practically all 1.5" minus and practically no fines. Not sure what happened, I think it was all at the bottom, but I've been waiting for it to rain for the last 3 months so I can mix all together better with the box blade. It's too dry right now.
I've seen that crushed concrete has a lot of fine material in it. Would crushed concrete work well for driveways?
"fines" is not a common term unless youre a gravel pro yet you use it about 38 times in this clip. Self awareness honey.
Use S-Type mortar
So show us the right way! What you described can be noticed by us all. Show us how that works in installation!
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Hell no the grass and weeds grow in that stuff. Keep em loose so you can stir the gravel up with a rake or tiller
We live in an area that gets around 55 inches of rain. Loose gravel washes away. We also live in a hilly area. Loose gravel spins and digs under tires. Regarding your concerns about vegetation: Salt is your friend.
57's on mine with underlayment. No weeds/grass. No salt needed. I guess im doing it wrong
@@fivestar8337 Sounds like you have what you want!
Just buy grout and pour it on top of your gravel,its cheaper than buying concrete
I don’t think people with a gravel driveway care tbh😂
I'm fine thank you😂
In my neck of the woods it’s called 3/4 minus.
What about when it rains ? If its all compact will it not flood ?
Tip: Don’t use a landscaping rake, it unevenly distributes the material and you can get this.
OK, well what do I use in place of a landscaping rake? Because I have to smooth out 20 tons of Gravel thank you.
Give me the fines😮...how do you replace
There are different ways of correctly building a drive, and I would say that nicer drives won't have fines on top because they built their base with 2's, 53's, 73's, and put smaller cleaned stone on top. It's much better when constructed this way as it looks way better, holds water in the voids of the surface gravel while it percolates off the drive, and it prevents weed growth which we all know grows like crazy in gravel fines.
Just add a bit of mortar to it.
Doesnt explain what fines are doesnt say how to
He should be fined for not explaining what the hell "fines" are
😂😂😂
Pour some sand on it or some concrete mix...
Which should be placed first?
The rock, then fines on top.
Is weed barrier not recommended for a big gravel parking area? I’m thinking it’s not a good idea if heavy trucks? Thanks I’m advance.
Traffic grade geofabric can be useful for heavy trucks. It will help against pumping when the ground is wet.
I need this- what do I ask for when I order it?
Looks good for making puddles
I’m fines with it! 😂 See what I did there? 😊
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Ummmm, would that be the case with the larger gravel IF it is compacted in layers? My understanding is the angular gravel will lock together if compacted (with a compactor) in layers, put a few inches, compact, add a few more inches and compact. That way you still get good drainage, whereas fines will not give good drainage... just what I have learned.
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Biggest mistake people make with gravel driveways is making a video of rocks and pointing to it. 😏
He pointed out gravel with and without fines and showed the difference. The video was fine.
Alot of rock and roll
Fines? What does that mean?
That's all fine and dandy
If you use your finger on railroad gravel base, it is loose as well. The way gravel support eacher does't need them to be bonded together.
I just put down river rock that has some jagged rocks mixed with it and it is settling nice and flat. It is pretty nice actually.
Agreed. A good gravel driveway is built with a mixture of rock/aggregate and crusher fines, one without the other does not make a good road.
So are you saying that you should not use something like a Land plane to regrade your driveway because it brings up the rock ?
what the heck is a "fine?"
Crushed rock
So you put the fines first is what your saying???
Plus a rain storm moves the loose rock downhill , creating an unattractive landscape , Great video .
What are the fines?
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That’s not what it is called in the business…. (Might be in the south, everything is messed in south). They are call MINUS.
Rock size plus minus.
1/2 inch minus
Has 1/2 inch rock and the “fines” lol
Thanks for your feedback!
Here in the south a 610 stone has fines and a 57 stone has no fines. Nit sure if its the same everywhere.
Can’t beat epoxy
FINE !!!
I get it
Your treble is too high😮
Ive got really sandy road, what is best material to make it firmer