Bolko Świdnicki w tym okresie był ostatnim niezależnym Piastem na Śląsku wg. wikipedii, więc nie powinno być tak że Czechy dostają w prezencie cały Śląsk. Dodatkowo było by miło jakby na pomorzu oprócz Kaszubów zostały jeszcze przynajmniej resztki ludzi mówiących w słowiańskich językach a nie "niemcy"
to, że nie jest coś zaznaczone paskami jako mniejszość, nie oznacza, że takiej mniejszości w grze nie ma :). System popów pozwala na bardzo dużo pod tym względem
I ciekawy jest też podział na śląską i polską kulturę, wydaje mi się że chyba po to żeby zachować historyczny przebieg granic, bo śląsk był wciąż rządzony przez piastów i raczej nie zdążył kulturowo wyróżnić się bardziej niż inne regiony ziem "polskojęzycznych".
Większość Piastów śląskich już od 12 wieku była bliżej związana z HRE i Czechami niż z Polską. Żona Bolka była Habsburżanką, a córka wzięła Księstwo świdnicko-jaworskie z posagiem dla męża - Cesarza Karola.
The idea of provinces changing their name based on the period sounds nice, however it could be a headache during gameplay. For instance, all of the past, current and future names for every location would have to be listed alongside each other when clicked.
Uhh, why..? I genuinely don’t understand your logic. Name changes are already huge in eu4, literally every province has different names depending on what culture its owner has. There are also many events and missions that change province names. It works perfectly, what’s your problem exactly?
@@blue-d4g TL:DR - Translations are almost always very similar, names of completely different towns, not so much. Lets take a look at the names of Nowy Sacz, the place right next to Nowy Targ and the province that represents it's location in EU4: Polish - Nowy Sacz German - Neu Sadec Czech - Novy Sadec Hungarian - Ujzsandec Slovak - Novy Sonc It's very similar all things around bar Hungarian, but even that kept the end similar. If someone told you to dev Novy Sadec, you would come to the conclusion that he means Nowy Sacz. If you didn't, you could just click on the province and check. If it was in Hungarian, that someone wouldn't bother to read that gibberish and would also click on the province and read the default name. Now, let's compare "Zakopane" with "Nowy Targ". No similarities what so ever, but that's to be expected. If paradox doesn't add what I wrote, that is the all the possible names that a province can have when clicked, tough luck. Oh and missions, how many and how often does AI complete them? Missions changing the name of the province is never the problem because it's almost always done solely by the player.
RUclips hidden my reply, so I'll post it again TL:DR - Translations are almost always very similar, names of completely different towns, not so much. Lets take a look at the names of Nowy Sacz, the place right next to Nowy Targ and the province that represents it's location in EU4: Polish - Nowy Sacz Czech - Novy Sadec German - Neu Sadec Hungarian - Ujzsandec Slovak - Novy Sonc It's very similar all things around bar Hungarian, but even that kept the end similar. If someone told you to dev Novy Sadec, you would come to the conclusion that he means Nowy Sacz. If you didn't, you could just click on the province and check. If it was in Hungarian, that someone wouldn't bother to read that gibberish and would also click on the province and read the default name. Now, let's compare "Zakopane" with "Nowy Targ". No similarities what so ever, but that's to be expected. If paradox doesn't add what I wrote, that is the all the possible names that a province can have when clicked, tough luck. Oh and missions, how many and how often does AI complete them? Missions changing the name of the province is never the problem because it's almost always done solely by the player.
@@manana1444Cant they like just keep a database of provinces' multiple names Eg. Province_Id 1: -Original name -Name if owned by x culture -Name if owned by y culture -Name if periodnis z -Etc. so if you use the search tool for any of these names it woild show up provice ID 1 no matter if your write London or Londres. As for player convenience they could also adapt their already-present province history tab which could show name changes if you ever wonder which province used to be that one. Nevertheless my first suggestions seems like a simple solution to me, though I'd like the history log also present in-game.
I saw severian culture, so i suppose there will be ilmenian or novgorodian or smth too. That's fine, except it makes giant ruthenian culture seem even more weird
Yes. They replaced Ryazanian from EU4 with Severian. But they placed it to Smolensk instead of Severia... Basically they made the cultural border along modern borders... And that was made so on eastern border of Poland and on western border of Russia. I do not know who gave them such a strange idea...
It is worse. They took some modern cities. And they made modern borders as cultural and religion borders for XIV century... Just look at the border betwen Polish and Ruthenian, between Catholic and Orthodox or between Ruthenian and Severian...
I’m not really sure how to word this idea, but I feel like the divisions of culture in this game feel kind of forced? If that makes sense? I guess what I mean is that if a country owns, converts (religiously), and develops/has populations flock to it for long enough, maybe those cultural barriers should dissolve? So for example if a German primary cultured country owned polish for long enough, maybe the polish in that group could develop into maybe a halfway german and polish group, being able to be accepted by both?
I really dont get why they chose to make the map harder and harder to read. Each country should have a distinct colour so you can tell ehat country it is just by a glance... Paradox really need to work on their UI/UX development.
@@Rafallo0505 but French culture is divided as French and not as Latin, so in such a case Poland should have its own cultural group or simply that there would be no Masovian culture because there was no such culture, there were simply Poles
The biggest issue of this map is that ethnic border between Poles and Ruthenians and religion border between Catholic and Orthodox is moved to Curzon line (you may call it Stalin line as well) for some strange reason... as if it is 1945 and not XIV century. The best idea was to keep that border in accordance to old Poland-Ruthenia border (that exists on this map as a political border) or in some other more historic way, but not according to modern borders... Where are Yotvingians from northern Podlasie? I have doubts they were assimilated in XIV century. Poles in Hrodna region is also antihistoric for XIV century. There were mix of Lithuanians Ruthenians and Yotvingians there at that time. But the eastern border of Ruthenian is even more screwed on this map. If one wanted to create Severian culture they certainly should have placed it to Severia and not to Smolensk. Again the border between Ruthenian and Severian magically goes along the modern border between Russia and Ukraine and then between Russia and Belarus. But this is also completely antihistoric. I really hope they will fix all of this mess before the release.
13:52 Jeśli byś przeczytał dalej, to totalnie zmasakrowałem argumenty tego Polaka, a gdybyś zobaczył reakcją pod jego wiadomością, wiele osób się nie zgadza z tym. 1. Nowy Sącz pod żadnym pozorem nigdy nie był Góralski (mieszkam tam więc lepiej sie znam od jakiegoś mazowszanina fana Prus) 2. W XIV wieku nie było odrębnego języka ani kultury śląskiej. Mieszkańcy byli polakami, mówili tym samym językiem co w Polsce. Dzisiejsza odrębność ślązaków powstała dzięki wydarzeniom które miały miejsce po starcie gry, jak na przykład bycie pod niemiecka strefą wpływów przez 7 wieków bądź renesans w Polsce. 3. Oświęcim nigdy nie był częścią historycznego śląska Ogólnie poprawienie go historycznymi faktami nazwał mnie "Polskim nacjonalistą który próbuje zatuszować Śląską odrębność narodową" xd Warto również wspomnieć że Śląsk wpadł w ręce Czechów zaledwie kilka lat przed rozpoczęciem gry, a Księstwo Jaworskie nie było częścią ŚCR, ani wasalem czech do 1368, a w Wojnie przeciw Krzyżakom i Czechom, Księstwo Jaworskie było w sojuszu z Polską. Dobrze by było aby Śląsk był pokazany z corami polskimi, jako iż Kazimierz Wielki zrzekł się z przynależności prawnego Śląska do Polski w 1348, dlatego w tamtych czasach Śląsk de jure był częścią Polski, i powinno to jakoś zostać zaprezentowane w grze. Mam nadzieje że developerzy zobaczą tą wiadomość czy coś, bo chce ja historycznie dobrze odzorowany Śląsk!
Należy dodać, że współczesna gwara śląska nie różni się wcale aż tak bardzo od standardowego języka polskiego, jest po prostu popularna. Gdyby w każdym regionie używano własnej gwary tak jak na Śląsku, to wcale by się już nie wyróżniała. Jak dla mnie powinna być albo jedna polska kultura, albo, skoro Śląsk posiada swoją, odrębna dla każdej dzielnicy - jak we Francji.
Trochę chaos jeśli chodzi o Wielkopolskę i Kujawy, szczególnie jak jest Żnin i Inowrocław, zrobiłbym trochę inaczej kształt tych prowincji i zmienił ich nazwy, Znin dałbym w skład Inowrocławia, a wyżej stworzył Bydgoszcz + Szubin i fragment Świecia Bydgoszcz dostała prawa miejskie z 10 lat później i była głównym miastem , które stanowiły rywalizację dla Krzyżackiego wówczas Torunia
Eyyy, Łosice is also where I went to highschool xD + We don't know when exactly it was given city rights, 1505 is when King changed Kyivan Rus law to Magdeburg law, So it should've been a city long before 1505 but we don't know how long. Inowrocław Duchy shouldn't exist back then as Both Dukes of Dobrzyń and Inowrocław exchanged these lands in 1327 for Duchies of Sieradz and Łęczyca + Duchies of Ziębice, Nysa, Jawor-Świdnica (of Bolko II) were Independent. and Bolko II was an ally to Poland back then and the last independent Silesian Duke in history, to his death.
About Góral culture i think person who suggest it dont know history first protoplast of górals came to Poland in XIV century as Wallachian settlers and colonies polish mountians to XVII century than in XVIII century start to assimilate with the polish flat area population we create góral culture than when game start there Wallachian colonization begins and to create Góral culture there is still few centuries do not mention in valleys like in Nowy Targ or Żywiec in XIV century Poles live already and arriving Wallachians shepard living in mountains villiges and weren't dominant people at this area generaly in archeology there is saying that slavs in Poland lived to 400 m above sea level over that there were Wallachian settlment. Sorry for my English. Greetings form Góral! :D PS. I just saw someone give Żywiec silesian name... Come one Żywiec is historical Lesserpoland province
Lack of mountains /hills near Kielce ? Also, comparing land to provinces -> there should be more marshes in northern parts of Poland ;) Especialy marshes near Wizna played an important role during WW2 battle of Wizna ;) I doubt they weren't there during medieval times... Also: Żuławy- these lands were regulary flooded in spiring. Not sure how Nile Delta will be dealt with, but having a "Continental Floodplains with Farmlands" seems pretty reasonable for that region ;)
Kinda weird to see “Kyiv” considering that it’s only started being called that (even in Ukraine) very recently. Basically all historical sources from the locals refer to it as Kiev. I wanted to point this one out since it’s a political hot button, but I don’t like historicity being compromised by modern politics. Would be like calling Lwow “Lwiv” even while the prov owner is Polish.
Well if you had issues with Polish settlements, just wait until Hungary gets to be the main focus of the dev diary... Insane naming choices, some definitely ahistorical and we have slavic naming for Upper Hungary again... It took EUIV until 1.37 to correct the Hungarian naming for our settlements, now they start with proto-Slovakian naming again, in the XIV. century...
@@karolnowak6423 Nitra is to represent the duchy of Nyitra given to the brothers of the King of Hungary in the medieval ages, around 1040s-1240s, nothing more. Pdx also used this duchy for Great Moravia. It is NOT a Slovakian cultural state by any means, in EUIV, it should only exist to represent the breakaway kuruc state of Emeric (Imre) Thököly in the 1680s. It'll be amazing to argue for the fact that Hungarian settlements should have appropriate Hungarian names...
Dynamically changing the map every year is rather messy, you are in the mdidle of a war and a province just splits? You play multiplayer and you tell your teammate to go to a province that just got renamed?
I said every age :). + if you do not like the dynamic name change, I assume it could be just an option in game settings. Also did not say anything about any province splits, that wouldnt make any sense
I don't think it should be named keeping in mind the whole timeline of the game, as there will surely be the possibility to rename locations. Play some Imperator: Rome, when there is a mission/decision/event to build a historical city in some location it renames the location to that historical city name. So it all just depends on if there will be such missions/decisions/events. If not, then I guess you are right.
Not more weird than huge Poland. I would separate it into Ruthenian and Belarusian as it was in EU4. But anyway people in southern Ruthenia did not consider themselves as many separate ethnicities. Basically by the XIV century it was Novgorodian, Muscovite and Ruthenian (which can be additionally split into Ruthenian and Belarusian).
Chęciny są nawet w EU4, a poza tym w okresie startu EU5 i tak byłyby ważniejsze, więc mogliby zostawić Chęciny. Wydaje mi się że Kielce prześcignęły Chęciny pod względem ludności tak już może w XVI w. Ale nie mogę znaleźć i tak ludności Kielc w tamtym okresie, a wiadomo że ludność Chęciny wtedy i tak zmalała. No, ale w sumie to i tak chodzi o punkt obronny, a nie konkretnie miejscowość. Kielce w znaczeniu większej miejscowości to dopiero XIX w.
Drohiczyn is much better than Białystok. Drohiczyn is a historical capital of a region. But i agree that Podlasie is the best one. Podlasie is a small region and wouldn't make into state. This provinve covers almost exactly whole Podlasie. States shown at map are Lesser Poland, Greater Poland and Kuyavia (one state) Sieradzko-Łeczycka land, Mazovia and Silesia that very well cover those regions
Mazowsze dzieli się tradycyjnie na ziemie i podział ten zachowany został w ck3, jest też najbardziej historyczny, dlatego też nie wiem czemu tutaj został porzucony, myślę że byłoby jednak lepiej gdyby do niego powrócono. I jakim cudem północno-zachodnie Mazowsze jest gęsto zalesione?!
7:02 Other than Racibórz I'm not overly concerned with the rest of the place names, since trying to name things the way they were named 1,000 years ago, is a bit difficult as the language would most likely be very different. Most English speakers today would not be able to communicate with Englishmen in 1024 and I suspect the same goes for any modern person Pole, Frenchman, Spaniard or German. I do need them to fix my birth place location, since it is triggering me a bit plus I'm going to be visiting in October, so it is a matter of local pride.
What's up with the Old Prussian culture and religion being present around Gdańsk? That area had never been controlled by the Baltic tribes nor settled by them
not sure if renaming provinces based on culture not nationality is a good idea lol most of the poles can't speak one word in kashubian or masovian why should the culture be relevant to this extent
Mapa topograficzna zamieszczona przez dev team sugeruje, że Polska to tylko płaskie pola (flatlands). Nic bardziej mylnego! Południe Polski jest gęsto usiane wyżynami (highlands), czego mapa nie odzwierciedla...
The same can be said for Northern France and the Low countries from previous dev diaries, the altitudes are low but considering how detailed the map is compared to EU4, there are more locations that can be considered as hills, we don't know what the fort system will be like but full flatlands is boring.
Karthaus (pomerania west of danzig) wasn't even mentioned yet at that point. This province should be called ger. "Zukau" or lat. "Sucovia", form Żukowo, in witch a monastery was founded in 1212, and witch was the biggest regional settlement (except Gdańsk ofc) at this point in time, having in possession even lands of today's Gdynia
I don't think they are trying to push any politics, just either didn't care to name it an older name, wanted it to be more recognizable, or simply an oversight.
@@zitronensaaft3454man i didn't recognise half of the german provinces in EU4 before playing it. People will learn and historical names are the way to go
Chmielnicki (ukr. Хмельницький, Chmelnyćkyj; do 1954 Płoskirów, Proskurów ukr. Проскурів, Proskuriw), as for Górals, if they were to be included then so should be Łemko and Hucule people. But for simplicity reason, id call all of them + eastern Slovaks as White Croats :) besides there could be a mechanic where isolated or undeveloped regions become their own cultures over time, branching out
It would be cool if there is something in EU5 about the Magdeburg laws and the resettlement of German minorities in Eastern Europe. At the beginning of the game obviously the main region where this is relevant is Silesia and the Baltic states but later into the game German settlements were established especially in lands of Imperial Russia and Austria, all the way to modern day Azerbaijan. In the same vein I want to see a ton more content for the Jewish minorities all over Europe. They have been so important for so long and in EU4 that importance is heavily underrepresented.
Dynamic change of provinces names will be perfectly corresponding with extracting provinces names from core files - thanks to that there can be mods fully compatibile with ironman
Poland should be more divided. Greater and Lesser Poland weren't yet connected by land ruled by the King. Masovia is represented quite well even on a map of land gains of Kazimierz "the great" available on Polish Wikipedia is shown that he got Mazovia in parts from different dukes.
Galicia-Volhynia did have a lot of people, it was very difficult for Polish to conquer Ruthenians, they had to give a lot of autonomy privileges, like local currency continued to circulate, local laws, etc.
@@exclibrionit wasn't taken by Lithuania, lithuanian pretender Liubart-Dmytro Hedymynovych had the right to the throne, and was invited by the Ruthenians themselves after the death of Yurii II Bolesvav Piast
I wonder if they couldn't add new feature that within time, new provinces would appear/spawn/be created. Like an event "creation of zakopane" and then instead of having 4 provinces in a location, would be 1 more extra. Maybe with a cost of pop from neighbouring provinces or something like this. Ofc i am not talking that they should now track each bigger city which appeared between 1337 till 1800, but lets say 1-3 provinces per bigger country.
Dynamic provinces shouldn't be a thing except for places where land was created or destroyed like in Netherlands or Adam's Bridge between India and Sri Lanka
@@arekzawistowski2609 Well, i am not saying that there should be xx provinces per country. Just maybe dozen+ provinces in total which could be created via event/decision in whole game. It could add a bit of flavour to the game and in some cases eliminate problem of "This province didn't exist for next 200 years, but we added it cause game last almost 500 years". Ofc in some cases it make more sense than in others.
@@niewiarygodny6853 but it is under jurisdiction of different political body. Only the city doesn't exist. And how Zlewikk said it has Nowy Targ in it. Just call it Nowy Targ
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Bolko Świdnicki w tym okresie był ostatnim niezależnym Piastem na Śląsku wg. wikipedii, więc nie powinno być tak że Czechy dostają w prezencie cały Śląsk.
Dodatkowo było by miło jakby na pomorzu oprócz Kaszubów zostały jeszcze przynajmniej resztki ludzi mówiących w słowiańskich językach a nie "niemcy"
to, że nie jest coś zaznaczone paskami jako mniejszość, nie oznacza, że takiej mniejszości w grze nie ma :). System popów pozwala na bardzo dużo pod tym względem
I ciekawy jest też podział na śląską i polską kulturę, wydaje mi się że chyba po to żeby zachować historyczny przebieg granic, bo śląsk był wciąż rządzony przez piastów i raczej nie zdążył kulturowo wyróżnić się bardziej niż inne regiony ziem "polskojęzycznych".
Większość Piastów śląskich już od 12 wieku była bliżej związana z HRE i Czechami niż z Polską. Żona Bolka była Habsburżanką, a córka wzięła Księstwo świdnicko-jaworskie z posagiem dla męża - Cesarza Karola.
The idea of provinces changing their name based on the period sounds nice, however it could be a headache during gameplay. For instance, all of the past, current and future names for every location would have to be listed alongside each other when clicked.
This is already kind of a thing in eu4
there are events that change province names
Uhh, why..? I genuinely don’t understand your logic. Name changes are already huge in eu4, literally every province has different names depending on what culture its owner has. There are also many events and missions that change province names. It works perfectly, what’s your problem exactly?
@@blue-d4g
TL:DR - Translations are almost always very similar, names of completely different towns, not so much.
Lets take a look at the names of Nowy Sacz, the place right next to Nowy Targ and the province that represents it's location in EU4:
Polish - Nowy Sacz
German - Neu Sadec
Czech - Novy Sadec
Hungarian - Ujzsandec
Slovak - Novy Sonc
It's very similar all things around bar Hungarian, but even that kept the end similar. If someone told you to dev Novy Sadec, you would come to the conclusion that he means Nowy Sacz. If you didn't, you could just click on the province and check. If it was in Hungarian, that someone wouldn't bother to read that gibberish and would also click on the province and read the default name.
Now, let's compare "Zakopane" with "Nowy Targ". No similarities what so ever, but that's to be expected. If paradox doesn't add what I wrote, that is the all the possible names that a province can have when clicked, tough luck.
Oh and missions, how many and how often does AI complete them? Missions changing the name of the province is never the problem because it's almost always done solely by the player.
RUclips hidden my reply, so I'll post it again
TL:DR - Translations are almost always very similar, names of completely different towns, not so much.
Lets take a look at the names of Nowy Sacz, the place right next to Nowy Targ and the province that represents it's location in EU4:
Polish - Nowy Sacz
Czech - Novy Sadec
German - Neu Sadec
Hungarian - Ujzsandec
Slovak - Novy Sonc
It's very similar all things around bar Hungarian, but even that kept the end similar. If someone told you to dev Novy Sadec, you would come to the conclusion that he means Nowy Sacz. If you didn't, you could just click on the province and check. If it was in Hungarian, that someone wouldn't bother to read that gibberish and would also click on the province and read the default name.
Now, let's compare "Zakopane" with "Nowy Targ". No similarities what so ever, but that's to be expected. If paradox doesn't add what I wrote, that is the all the possible names that a province can have when clicked, tough luck.
Oh and missions, how many and how often does AI complete them? Missions changing the name of the province is never the problem because it's almost always done solely by the player.
@@manana1444Cant they like just keep a database of provinces' multiple names
Eg. Province_Id 1:
-Original name
-Name if owned by x culture
-Name if owned by y culture
-Name if periodnis z
-Etc.
so if you use the search tool for any of these names it woild show up provice ID 1 no matter if your write London or Londres.
As for player convenience they could also adapt their already-present province history tab which could show name changes if you ever wonder which province used to be that one.
Nevertheless my first suggestions seems like a simple solution to me, though I'd like the history log also present in-game.
15:40 Miasto Chmielnicki na Ukrainie dostało te nazwe w 1953 roku. Wcześniej nazywało się Płoskirów 😉
Więc powinni zmienić
and there were no Kyiv at the time too!
@@fairyfetch but there was?
@@fairyfetchWhaaa? It was established as a settlement app. in the V century and has had its name at least since the IX century.
@@yehorpodobnyi that was Kiev, not Kyiv.
I saw severian culture, so i suppose there will be ilmenian or novgorodian or smth too. That's fine, except it makes giant ruthenian culture seem even more weird
It isn’t fine because they aren’t real cultures nor languages
True @@konplayz
Likely it will change
Yes. They replaced Ryazanian from EU4 with Severian. But they placed it to Smolensk instead of Severia... Basically they made the cultural border along modern borders...
And that was made so on eastern border of Poland and on western border of Russia. I do not know who gave them such a strange idea...
Terrain is such a mess. Żywiec, Oswięcim, Zakopane are all hills. Other locations in Polish Tatry are flatlands? South Galicja is all flat too?
Even Suwalszczyzna (Sudovia) is full of hills. Not very high, but definitely it's not a flatland
My city, Pajęczno, is on the map even though it has only 6,800 people. I love it!
5:04 also artificial reservoirs are a bane of EU4's existence (Paradox just took modern maps) .
It is worse. They took some modern cities. And they made modern borders as cultural and religion borders for XIV century... Just look at the border betwen Polish and Ruthenian, between Catholic and Orthodox or between Ruthenian and Severian...
There is also no consistency for naming in Slovakia at all. Some locations are using slovak names, some hungarian but provinces are all in hungarian
Maybe becouse they are under hungarian rule? I think they would use dynamic province names like in eu4. Kulm->chelmno, Nizza-> Nice etc
Same with Belarus. There are Belarusian names, but the major cities all have their Russian equivalents.
ie Mogilev instead of Mahilyow
I’m not really sure how to word this idea, but I feel like the divisions of culture in this game feel kind of forced? If that makes sense? I guess what I mean is that if a country owns, converts (religiously), and develops/has populations flock to it for long enough, maybe those cultural barriers should dissolve? So for example if a German primary cultured country owned polish for long enough, maybe the polish in that group could develop into maybe a halfway german and polish group, being able to be accepted by both?
sounds too complicated for the game engine imo.
I really dont get why they chose to make the map harder and harder to read. Each country should have a distinct colour so you can tell ehat country it is just by a glance...
Paradox really need to work on their UI/UX development.
i dunno about spliting silesian and polsih cultures, especially so early on
maybe it's for gameplay purposes? Who knows how that'll work in EU5
If we split french so much then polish and silesian should be divided absolutely. And tbh they should even add masovians as separate culture
@@Rafallo0505 but French culture is divided as French and not as Latin, so in such a case Poland should have its own cultural group or simply that there would be no Masovian culture because there was no such culture, there were simply Poles
@@Jeff_Reyx idk what you mean by that tbh, can we switch to polish?
@@Rafallo0505 I still understand some Silesian areas, but why should Masovian culture be separate from Poland? I want to know the reason
The biggest issue of this map is that ethnic border between Poles and Ruthenians and religion border between Catholic and Orthodox is moved to Curzon line (you may call it Stalin line as well) for some strange reason... as if it is 1945 and not XIV century. The best idea was to keep that border in accordance to old Poland-Ruthenia border (that exists on this map as a political border) or in some other more historic way, but not according to modern borders...
Where are Yotvingians from northern Podlasie? I have doubts they were assimilated in XIV century. Poles in Hrodna region is also antihistoric for XIV century. There were mix of Lithuanians Ruthenians and Yotvingians there at that time.
But the eastern border of Ruthenian is even more screwed on this map. If one wanted to create Severian culture they certainly should have placed it to Severia and not to Smolensk. Again the border between Ruthenian and Severian magically goes along the modern border between Russia and Ukraine and then between Russia and Belarus. But this is also completely antihistoric.
I really hope they will fix all of this mess before the release.
13:52 Jeśli byś przeczytał dalej, to totalnie zmasakrowałem argumenty tego Polaka, a gdybyś zobaczył reakcją pod jego wiadomością, wiele osób się nie zgadza z tym.
1. Nowy Sącz pod żadnym pozorem nigdy nie był Góralski (mieszkam tam więc lepiej sie znam od jakiegoś mazowszanina fana Prus)
2. W XIV wieku nie było odrębnego języka ani kultury śląskiej. Mieszkańcy byli polakami, mówili tym samym językiem co w Polsce. Dzisiejsza odrębność ślązaków powstała dzięki wydarzeniom które miały miejsce po starcie gry, jak na przykład bycie pod niemiecka strefą wpływów przez 7 wieków bądź renesans w Polsce.
3. Oświęcim nigdy nie był częścią historycznego śląska
Ogólnie poprawienie go historycznymi faktami nazwał mnie "Polskim nacjonalistą który próbuje zatuszować Śląską odrębność narodową" xd
Warto również wspomnieć że Śląsk wpadł w ręce Czechów zaledwie kilka lat przed rozpoczęciem gry, a Księstwo Jaworskie nie było częścią ŚCR, ani wasalem czech do 1368, a w Wojnie przeciw Krzyżakom i Czechom, Księstwo Jaworskie było w sojuszu z Polską. Dobrze by było aby Śląsk był pokazany z corami polskimi, jako iż Kazimierz Wielki zrzekł się z przynależności prawnego Śląska do Polski w 1348, dlatego w tamtych czasach Śląsk de jure był częścią Polski, i powinno to jakoś zostać zaprezentowane w grze.
Mam nadzieje że developerzy zobaczą tą wiadomość czy coś, bo chce ja historycznie dobrze odzorowany Śląsk!
Należy dodać, że współczesna gwara śląska nie różni się wcale aż tak bardzo od standardowego języka polskiego, jest po prostu popularna. Gdyby w każdym regionie używano własnej gwary tak jak na Śląsku, to wcale by się już nie wyróżniała. Jak dla mnie powinna być albo jedna polska kultura, albo, skoro Śląsk posiada swoją, odrębna dla każdej dzielnicy - jak we Francji.
w końcu po 23 latach moje zadupie będzie xP
LOL
Trochę chaos jeśli chodzi o Wielkopolskę i Kujawy, szczególnie jak jest Żnin i Inowrocław, zrobiłbym trochę inaczej kształt tych prowincji i zmienił ich nazwy, Znin dałbym w skład Inowrocławia, a wyżej stworzył Bydgoszcz + Szubin i fragment Świecia
Bydgoszcz dostała prawa miejskie z 10 lat później i była głównym miastem , które stanowiły rywalizację dla Krzyżackiego wówczas Torunia
Znin nie moze byc w skladzie Inowroclawia, poniewaz razem z Bydgoszczą Inowroclaw stanowil wojewodztwo inowroclawskie.
@@arthurd.8328 poza tym Żnin był miastem Arcybiskupstwa a Inowrocław był miastem książęcym
Gdzie Brześć kujawski. Jest Radziejów i Włocławek to tym bardziej Brześć :(
Eyyy, Łosice is also where I went to highschool xD
+ We don't know when exactly it was given city rights, 1505 is when King changed Kyivan Rus law to Magdeburg law, So it should've been a city long before 1505 but we don't know how long.
Inowrocław Duchy shouldn't exist back then as Both Dukes of Dobrzyń and Inowrocław exchanged these lands in 1327 for Duchies of Sieradz and Łęczyca
+ Duchies of Ziębice, Nysa, Jawor-Świdnica (of Bolko II) were Independent.
and Bolko II was an ally to Poland back then and the last independent Silesian Duke in history, to his death.
About Góral culture i think person who suggest it dont know history first protoplast of górals came to Poland in XIV century as Wallachian settlers and colonies polish mountians to XVII century than in XVIII century start to assimilate with the polish flat area population we create góral culture than when game start there Wallachian colonization begins and to create Góral culture there is still few centuries do not mention in valleys like in Nowy Targ or Żywiec in XIV century Poles live already and arriving Wallachians shepard living in mountains villiges and weren't dominant people at this area generaly in archeology there is saying that slavs in Poland lived to 400 m above sea level over that there were Wallachian settlment. Sorry for my English. Greetings form Góral! :D
PS. I just saw someone give Żywiec silesian name... Come one Żywiec is historical Lesserpoland province
As a man from Ukraine, I absolutelu love, that Paradoks is creating the game, which has an Ukrainian version of Kyiv as Kyiv as well;)
Bohemia the opps for siding with the Orders smh
Lack of mountains /hills near Kielce ?
Also, comparing land to provinces -> there should be more marshes in northern parts of Poland ;)
Especialy marshes near Wizna played an important role during WW2 battle of Wizna ;) I doubt they weren't there during medieval times...
Also: Żuławy- these lands were regulary flooded in spiring. Not sure how Nile Delta will be dealt with, but having a "Continental Floodplains with Farmlands" seems pretty reasonable for that region ;)
My doubts are raised by the Old Prussian culture west of the Vistula, e.g. in Gdańsk, and therefore their religion.
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Kinda weird to see “Kyiv” considering that it’s only started being called that (even in Ukraine) very recently. Basically all historical sources from the locals refer to it as Kiev.
I wanted to point this one out since it’s a political hot button, but I don’t like historicity being compromised by modern politics. Would be like calling Lwow “Lwiv” even while the prov owner is Polish.
In southern Rus (where Kyiv is located) it always called Kyiv
Not true, it always been Kiiow
Well if you had issues with Polish settlements, just wait until Hungary gets to be the main focus of the dev diary... Insane naming choices, some definitely ahistorical and we have slavic naming for Upper Hungary again... It took EUIV until 1.37 to correct the Hungarian naming for our settlements, now they start with proto-Slovakian naming again, in the XIV. century...
When shadow of Nitra casts for far too long than it should be 😅 Seriously, it is not CK III
@@karolnowak6423 Nitra is to represent the duchy of Nyitra given to the brothers of the King of Hungary in the medieval ages, around 1040s-1240s, nothing more. Pdx also used this duchy for Great Moravia. It is NOT a Slovakian cultural state by any means, in EUIV, it should only exist to represent the breakaway kuruc state of Emeric (Imre) Thököly in the 1680s. It'll be amazing to argue for the fact that Hungarian settlements should have appropriate Hungarian names...
Pajęczno should be Piotrków. It got city status before 1300
btw @ZlewikkTV alum is not aluminum. its used for tanning
Dynamically changing the map every year is rather messy, you are in the mdidle of a war and a province just splits? You play multiplayer and you tell your teammate to go to a province that just got renamed?
I said every age :). + if you do not like the dynamic name change, I assume it could be just an option in game settings. Also did not say anything about any province splits, that wouldnt make any sense
@@ZlewikkTV Ok fair, but do we know if EU5 even have ages? :)
@@genstian yes, confirmed multiple times by Johan, hence i'm mentioning them :)
@@ZlewikkTV Alrighty, I'm convinced it would be cool, but probably a good bit of work.
Prowincja Wołów 75k ludzi XDD nawet dzisiaj tyle nie ma
I don't think it should be named keeping in mind the whole timeline of the game, as there will surely be the possibility to rename locations. Play some Imperator: Rome, when there is a mission/decision/event to build a historical city in some location it renames the location to that historical city name. So it all just depends on if there will be such missions/decisions/events. If not, then I guess you are right.
Ruthenia looks weird being so big, germany and france are so split at the beginning
Not more weird than huge Poland. I would separate it into Ruthenian and Belarusian as it was in EU4. But anyway people in southern Ruthenia did not consider themselves as many separate ethnicities. Basically by the XIV century it was Novgorodian, Muscovite and Ruthenian (which can be additionally split into Ruthenian and Belarusian).
Biorąc pod uwage reakcje pogańską która odbyła się w 11 wieku w Polsce powinna istnieć jakaś mniejszość pogańska, na Rusi zresztą też.
I pewnie takowa bedzie. System popow pozwala nawet 10 osob wrzucic xd
@@ZlewikkTV oby
Chęciny są nawet w EU4, a poza tym w okresie startu EU5 i tak byłyby ważniejsze, więc mogliby zostawić Chęciny. Wydaje mi się że Kielce prześcignęły Chęciny pod względem ludności tak już może w XVI w. Ale nie mogę znaleźć i tak ludności Kielc w tamtym okresie, a wiadomo że ludność Chęciny wtedy i tak zmalała.
No, ale w sumie to i tak chodzi o punkt obronny, a nie konkretnie miejscowość. Kielce w znaczeniu większej miejscowości to dopiero XIX w.
sensownie to pewnie byłoby mieć 2 lokalizacje -> chęciny z fortem i Kielce z wsią/miasteczkiem
Drohiczyn is much better than Białystok. Drohiczyn is a historical capital of a region. But i agree that Podlasie is the best one. Podlasie is a small region and wouldn't make into state. This provinve covers almost exactly whole Podlasie. States shown at map are Lesser Poland, Greater Poland and Kuyavia (one state) Sieradzko-Łeczycka land, Mazovia and Silesia that very well cover those regions
Mazowsze dzieli się tradycyjnie na ziemie i podział ten zachowany został w ck3, jest też najbardziej historyczny, dlatego też nie wiem czemu tutaj został porzucony, myślę że byłoby jednak lepiej gdyby do niego powrócono.
I jakim cudem północno-zachodnie Mazowsze jest gęsto zalesione?!
7:02 Other than Racibórz I'm not overly concerned with the rest of the place names, since trying to name things the way they were named 1,000 years ago, is a bit difficult as the language would most likely be very different. Most English speakers today would not be able to communicate with Englishmen in 1024 and I suspect the same goes for any modern person Pole, Frenchman, Spaniard or German.
I do need them to fix my birth place location, since it is triggering me a bit plus I'm going to be visiting in October, so it is a matter of local pride.
What's up with the Old Prussian culture and religion being present around Gdańsk? That area had never been controlled by the Baltic tribes nor settled by them
While there is no 100% certainty, it is assumed that Old Prussians, Kashubians etc. lived there de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Stadt_Danzig
I can finally do world conquest as my city xD (Inowrocław)
not sure if renaming provinces based on culture not nationality is a good idea lol
most of the poles can't speak one word in kashubian or masovian why should the culture be relevant to this extent
Hey, I'm in Zakopane now, on honeymoon with my (Polish-Canadian) wife!
Why make a city out of a village if they haven't been there for at least 250-300 years?
Mapa topograficzna zamieszczona przez dev team sugeruje, że Polska to tylko płaskie pola (flatlands). Nic bardziej mylnego! Południe Polski jest gęsto usiane wyżynami (highlands), czego mapa nie odzwierciedla...
The same can be said for Northern France and the Low countries from previous dev diaries, the altitudes are low but considering how detailed the map is compared to EU4, there are more locations that can be considered as hills, we don't know what the fort system will be like but full flatlands is boring.
So they changed the starting time? Cause that not how Poland look in 1444
11:00 there will be definitely 3rd, orthodox way
polska gurom
ŁOSICE MENTIONED!11!!11! Pozdrawiam wszystkich Łosiczan xD
where exactly do you live in Łosice?
Karthaus (pomerania west of danzig) wasn't even mentioned yet at that point. This province should be called ger. "Zukau" or lat. "Sucovia", form Żukowo, in witch a monastery was founded in 1212, and witch was the biggest regional settlement (except Gdańsk ofc) at this point in time, having in possession even lands of today's Gdynia
"Kyiv" in XIV century? Why did they have to push modern politics instead of just calling it Kyi or Kiova like how it was called back then?
I don't think they are trying to push any politics, just either didn't care to name it an older name, wanted it to be more recognizable, or simply an oversight.
@@zitronensaaft3454man i didn't recognise half of the german provinces in EU4 before playing it. People will learn and historical names are the way to go
@@zitronensaaft3454 Man if they wanted it to be recognizable they would call it by its EU4 name Kiev, but they are clearly too scared of politics
I just hate when devs do this kind of stuff, leave politics to schizo autists map painters and let others just enjoy historical start dates
Maybe because in the territory where Kyiv is located, it was always called Kyiv
Chmielnicki (ukr. Хмельницький, Chmelnyćkyj; do 1954 Płoskirów, Proskurów ukr. Проскурів, Proskuriw),
as for Górals, if they were to be included then so should be Łemko and Hucule people. But for simplicity reason, id call all of them + eastern Slovaks as White Croats :)
besides there could be a mechanic where isolated or undeveloped regions become their own cultures over time, branching out
We should find some Kaszubian nerd who would adapt every single location in the game. Don't do it for every culture tho, just for Kaszubian.
It would be cool if there is something in EU5 about the Magdeburg laws and the resettlement of German minorities in Eastern Europe. At the beginning of the game obviously the main region where this is relevant is Silesia and the Baltic states but later into the game German settlements were established especially in lands of Imperial Russia and Austria, all the way to modern day Azerbaijan.
In the same vein I want to see a ton more content for the Jewish minorities all over Europe. They have been so important for so long and in EU4 that importance is heavily underrepresented.
I'm from Rawa (Rawa Mazowiecka)
Czy Ziemia Wieluńska nie powinna być wasalem Korony w 1337?
i feel there will be like too much nationalist revolts in game... so many revolt stacks that can randomly spawn
Dynamic change of provinces names will be perfectly corresponding with extracting provinces names from core files - thanks to that there can be mods fully compatibile with ironman
Czy tereny Litwy nie są trochę ahistorycznie pokazane? Jestem pewien, że Litwa miała wasali bliżej stolicy
Why is the Ostróda/Olsztyn area the most populated? Allenstein city didn't exist yet, did the old Prussians have a city around there?
Inowrocław being a salt province goes hard. A fix we desperately need in eu4 too.
I think the region's are good but Mazovia shouldn't be a somehow united? And I think Mazovia isn't JP since 1337 but I can make mistakes in this
Poland should be more divided. Greater and Lesser Poland weren't yet connected by land ruled by the King. Masovia is represented quite well even on a map of land gains of Kazimierz "the great" available on Polish Wikipedia is shown that he got Mazovia in parts from different dukes.
5:56 Otwock, Garwolin i Wyszków istnieje jako miasto.
I don't really know much about early eastern Europe except the borders , but it looks cool
PLGUROM
W eu5 troche słabe będzie to że będzie bardzo dużo wasali i nie wiem jak oni zrobią coś z diplomatycznymi relacjami hmm
Na odwrót. Zjednoczona forma krajów byłaby nie historyczna. Dodatkowo jest to część mechaniki zarządzania kontrolą na początku gry
Giedyminowicze*
Provide your bibliography on Polish history please
Historia Polski do roku 1795 by Henryk Samsonowicz
Dzieje Polski, Demart, various creators
Wielki atlas historyczny, Demart, various creators
@@ZlewikkTV thank you
Chwała podzielonej Polsce
Eastern Europe. EASTERN😋😋
No
@@ZlewikkTV Fine
Tczew na mapie to coś o czym marzyłem od bardzo dawna 😊😊
No way my city Włocławek is here
What the hell is Warmia?
Wait!
Please tell me those are Old Prussians.
Please!
It was very important Bishopric at that period. I don't think old prussians will be there. Ofc i can be wrong.
Myślę że będzie to trwało do 1453 roku jak w ck2 ale będzie to coś podobnego do eu 4 jednak nie będzie to coś jako mod ale zupełnie inna gra
Gra jest potwierdzona ze bedzie minimum do rewolucji i wojen napoleonskich :)
@@ZlewikkTV to się postarali a z ciekawości jesteś Polakiem ? Bo zazwyczaj widuje twoje filmy tylko po angielsku
zlewik just tell u are from poland bri
and why you pretend this is some kind of secret? xdddd
Casimir III The Great
Those borders, dear God
Galicia-Volhynia did have a lot of people, it was very difficult for Polish to conquer Ruthenians, they had to give a lot of autonomy privileges, like local currency continued to circulate, local laws, etc.
But they didn't fight ruthenians there. It was taken by Lithuanians before Poland took it from them.
@@exclibrionit wasn't taken by Lithuania, lithuanian pretender Liubart-Dmytro Hedymynovych had the right to the throne, and was invited by the Ruthenians themselves after the death of Yurii II Bolesvav Piast
POLSKA GURĄ!
polska gurom
Its Kiev not kyiv...
I wait Caucasian map
I wonder if they couldn't add new feature that within time, new provinces would appear/spawn/be created.
Like an event "creation of zakopane" and then instead of having 4 provinces in a location, would be 1 more extra. Maybe with a cost of pop from neighbouring provinces or something like this.
Ofc i am not talking that they should now track each bigger city which appeared between 1337 till 1800, but lets say 1-3 provinces per bigger country.
Dynamic provinces shouldn't be a thing except for places where land was created or destroyed like in Netherlands or Adam's Bridge between India and Sri Lanka
@@arekzawistowski2609 Well, i am not saying that there should be xx provinces per country. Just maybe dozen+ provinces in total which could be created via event/decision in whole game.
It could add a bit of flavour to the game and in some cases eliminate problem of "This province didn't exist for next 200 years, but we added it cause game last almost 500 years".
Ofc in some cases it make more sense than in others.
@@niewiarygodny6853 but it is under jurisdiction of different political body. Only the city doesn't exist. And how Zlewikk said it has Nowy Targ in it. Just call it Nowy Targ
Teuton Bros we are so back
0:43 why is kyiv not in kyiv lol
Oh wait it is
Both are wrong lol
Нарешті, Kyiv not Kiev, Lviv not Lvov
щеб українську додалиб і взагалі їм ціни не було
Why can't ppl call cities how they're called in their language?
Не Saint-Petersburg, а Sankt-Peterburg. Не Moscow, а Moskva
Therefore i guess cologne e.g will be called by its proper name Köln
But Köln is already called Köln in Eu4 :v
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