I haven't played many players but I could definatly feel this in my last game when 10 got into my eco took me and my friend (2v2) a while to get rid of them and the opponent definatly wasn't great (the moment we were ready and pushed they resigned almost inmediatly)
I wouldn't say they are underrated, everyone knows they are very strong in feudal. The reason you don't see FU scouts very often is because it requires a significant resource investment, which will delay a lot your castle age. So, unless you can do a lot of damage in feudal and delay your opponent castle age too (or make him advance with really bad eco), you will be screwed because scouts just melt against any castle age unit. So, this is often a very risky strategy to use.
Yup feudal scouts with bloodlines have more HP than Imp Hussar without bloodlines. I used to dismiss them but they are very useful in a lot of situations. As teutons I defend my choke points with TKs and will stream scouts along the edges to raid and they do their job very well and can harass villagers
@@chanky1000 www.douyu.com/1052202 Here you go Vivi's stream name actually translates to "FatDragon is the most handsome and the most badass" 11 His previous voobly name, ReallyDiao, the"Diao" word also have similar meaning of being badass/good at something xD
If T90 or anyone in the AoE community wants I might help with translation sometimes xD The way Vivi talks is very interesting, and often boasting himself 11
Man i've been watching your videos for over a year now and I can say TaToH improved so much over the time and I think he'll for sure compete for the #1 spot with Viper veery soon. He's such an amazing player and keeps on getting better.
@ 1:55 That market saved my ass in a game against the DE AI (Chinese Civ):the AI was just spamming siege rams, trebs, and knights, and my production couldn't keep up (my Castle Age Armies rarely exceed 20 units, since I tend to be more into quality than quantity: lots of tech, less training). The market stepped into the breach, and between the money and the Mamelukes, I fought them all the way back to their original TC. I lost 56 units--most in the early phase of the war; the Chinese, I don't remember, but it was WAY more. This wasn't the only time the Saracen's attributes--even pre-DE--saved the game: they're a far better civ than people give them credit for. The only problem is that you don't use them the way you would a "strong" Civ: they're the water of AoE2. What is meant by that is explained here: ruclips.net/video/cJMwBwFj5nQ/видео.html It's a civ that demands flexibility, and rewards it: there is no one proper way to play them. How the heck can you pick a specific method, for a jack of all trades civ?
I never thought Id play AOE again aas im so big in FPS & VR games. But since DE came out I found this and some other channels and i'm really binging these videos man :D These vids really helpded me step up my AOE game. Maybe someday i'll play multiplayer haha
Regarding what you said about the weakness of this strategy being you might run out of gold later is pretty moot since you lose almost nothing by having to do that. You can test it in the map editor. I think it's like around 50 gold in total you lose if you buy 1500 food and then immediately sell it back. If you try it with a different civ it's like 500-ish gold or something. My memory is really fuzzy on the numbers but it's something like that.
This game makes me quite interested in the Saracens build order now. I think that even if the opposing player anticipates the gold-only scout rush they would be giving Saracens the opportunity to take more golds during feudal, and follow up with monks to convert castle age counters or play the map similar to Arena. Feels a bit like RTS with a simpler resource system like Total Annihilation or Zero-K, with a transition to typical AOE2 play during the late castle age.
Hey I'd love for you to spectate the noobs lobby's and pretend their like the pros. I feel it would be helpful for new players as they can find out what not to dk
I'm a bit of a noob, how does the efficiency of mining gold to buy food compare to farming? I'd assume it's a lot better early game, but gets worse as the price increases and you run out of gold mines?
Soviless99 all civs have some unique bonuses. At first glance it might seem as the unique units are the only difference between civs, but no two are alike, with acess to different units, and upgrades, different stats and unique techs and bonuses. Saracens archer bonus damage against buildings have long been considered one of the worst unique bonuses, because it's not very usable, exept for in some rare circumstanses where you could surprise your opponent by breaking through a wall or something. The fun thing with watching TatoH and other pro play player is that they often find some new way of exploiting an under-used bonus. In this game he used the Saracen market bonus to buy food for scouts, but then switching to archers. This switch would't be possible without that specific bonus since you need an economy focused on food for scouts, but a gold-focused eco for archers.
QUESTION anyone, Can i just buy AOE2:DE as is or do i need a base game since it says digital code??? I havnt played AOE2 in umpteen years and i dont have any of the previous games.
I LOVE how Tatoh started with: WHY NO CUMANS
斗鱼肥龙
斗鱼 = ‘Douyu’, a Chinese Twitch-like streaming platform
肥龙 = 'Feilong' = Fat Dragon
Actually made my day better. I was pretty restless this evening and watching you cast always calms me somehow. :)
definitely love to see more saracens/tatoh gameplay
fully upgraded feudal scouts are underrated, they're insanely tanky.
I haven't played many players but I could definatly feel this in my last game when 10 got into my eco took me and my friend (2v2) a while to get rid of them and the opponent definatly wasn't great (the moment we were ready and pushed they resigned almost inmediatly)
I wouldn't say they are underrated, everyone knows they are very strong in feudal. The reason you don't see FU scouts very often is because it requires a significant resource investment, which will delay a lot your castle age. So, unless you can do a lot of damage in feudal and delay your opponent castle age too (or make him advance with really bad eco), you will be screwed because scouts just melt against any castle age unit. So, this is often a very risky strategy to use.
@@Gauss4724 Unless you can overpower someone's gold, they aren't worth it.
Yup feudal scouts with bloodlines have more HP than Imp Hussar without bloodlines. I used to dismiss them but they are very useful in a lot of situations. As teutons I defend my choke points with TKs and will stream scouts along the edges to raid and they do their job very well and can harass villagers
This game is so nostalgic for me. I have never been good, but man am I into this game now more than ever lol. Great vid
same!!
TaToh with some BIG brain moves. Vivi playing AoE2 while TaToh is playing 5D chess. Damn, that was an amazing match to watch.
"斗鱼“ is the name of the Chinese streaming platform. "肥龙" means fat dragon.
If TaToH keeps improving at this rate he will eventually overcome The Viper.
If anyone deserves the title of #1, it’d be TaToH.
Nathan Cassidy no. King Sancho is #1
fat dragon best player
@@LeftJoystick King Sancho and Daut rematch when?
King Sancho is #0 man, he's outclassing the others.
The name translates to "Douyu (the streaming platform) FatDragon" :D
I was going to say fat fish 😂 but I think u are right
can you share a link to vivi's stream?
@@chanky1000 www.douyu.com/1052202 Here you go
Vivi's stream name actually translates to "FatDragon is the most handsome and the most badass" 11
His previous voobly name, ReallyDiao, the"Diao" word also have similar meaning of being badass/good at something xD
If T90 or anyone in the AoE community wants I might help with translation sometimes xD The way Vivi talks is very interesting, and often boasting himself 11
Man i've been watching your videos for over a year now and I can say TaToH improved so much over the time and I think he'll for sure compete for the #1 spot with Viper veery soon. He's such an amazing player and keeps on getting better.
Too bad that he had no teammates to benefit from his MIGHTY TEAM BONUS.
This is why TaToh is my favourite player! Amazing game. More please!! :D
@ 1:55
That market saved my ass in a game against the DE AI (Chinese Civ):the AI was just spamming siege rams, trebs, and knights, and my production couldn't keep up (my Castle Age Armies rarely exceed 20 units, since I tend to be more into quality than quantity: lots of tech, less training). The market stepped into the breach, and between the money and the Mamelukes, I fought them all the way back to their original TC. I lost 56 units--most in the early phase of the war; the Chinese, I don't remember, but it was WAY more.
This wasn't the only time the Saracen's attributes--even pre-DE--saved the game: they're a far better civ than people give them credit for. The only problem is that you don't use them the way you would a "strong" Civ: they're the water of AoE2. What is meant by that is explained here:
ruclips.net/video/cJMwBwFj5nQ/видео.html
It's a civ that demands flexibility, and rewards it: there is no one proper way to play them. How the heck can you pick a specific method, for a jack of all trades civ?
I never thought Id play AOE again aas im so big in FPS & VR games. But since DE came out I found this and some other channels and i'm really binging these videos man :D
These vids really helpded me step up my AOE game.
Maybe someday i'll play multiplayer haha
This is one of my favourite matches, just two skilled (obviously TaToH being the lead) players constantly engaging
Got the new Aoe 2 DE and your videos are awesome havn't played in 15 years online some of these games are crazy great content!
WOW! This one looked just like a perfect chess match with a smart gambit by TaToH!
This game is beautiful. Tatoh is so freaking innovative. God damn.
Is so fuking good to see new strategies in such an old game... I love that!
9:00 that spearman stack lol
Thanks for showing the tech tree. I am this new person you speak about hahah
Regarding what you said about the weakness of this strategy being you might run out of gold later is pretty moot since you lose almost nothing by having to do that. You can test it in the map editor. I think it's like around 50 gold in total you lose if you buy 1500 food and then immediately sell it back. If you try it with a different civ it's like 500-ish gold or something. My memory is really fuzzy on the numbers but it's something like that.
So proud to have a fellow countryman, doing such plays, crazies as he is but they work nonetheless
This game makes me quite interested in the Saracens build order now. I think that even if the opposing player anticipates the gold-only scout rush they would be giving Saracens the opportunity to take more golds during feudal, and follow up with monks to convert castle age counters or play the map similar to Arena.
Feels a bit like RTS with a simpler resource system like Total Annihilation or Zero-K, with a transition to typical AOE2 play during the late castle age.
Viper played an awesome game showing the OPness of saracens archers vs buildings in feudal age.
Bro i watch a lot of Tatoh's gameplay, i speak spanish too and his thought process is amazing as well.
The saracen scout rush is actually a very old strategy, though it's now better since the discount of the market. Very nice game btw. Thanks :).
Yes I would love to see more of tatoh playing saracens
Thank you for this VIDEO!!!
Hey T90, thanks for that amazing game and also the great casting. More games from Tatoh would be nice!
more of this please!
What was the game number in KOTD where Lierry did the uphill skirm micro against Viper? T90 keeps referencing it but I couldn't find the game
ruclips.net/video/00NfkKPXixA/видео.html
@@satyakisil9711 ruclips.net/video/00NfkKPXixA/видео.html to be precise ....
@@KunalKrishna sikk
I think this is the first interaction between TaToH and Vivi I've seen
pretty sure they played in the who is nr2 tournament
@@Fluetify1 in whoisnr2 it was Yo, not Vivi, I think.
I'm pretty sure them and DauT faught against 4 barbarian ai
0:19
"Fish fighting fat dragon"
New to your channel and am enjoying each video, But i have to ask how do you get to zoom so far in and out in game?
Yes T90! Please more Tatito´s Saracens!
Tatoh the trick master
More tatoh more tatoh!
5:01 T90's Endgame Scarlet Witch Impression
Im all for more TaToh
Salam(peace) from beserah, kuantan, pahang, malaysia
Still yet to see the Saracen archers to eat buildings with the +5 damage bonus...
TheViper has made some sarracen masterpieces on stream, you can find some of them on his ytb channel
I wish you were casting these games live. The videos lose something when you already know the outcome.
More tatoh Saracens plz
definitely more tatoh saracens games
More Tatoh please ❤️
Wanna see more Saracens with Tatoh!
The saracens are so much fun to play w
Tati is getting better and better
that's gotta be like a record kd for specific unitd with those scout cav. unreal
Excellent play, saracens looks great, market gives so much opportunity
Just Perfect Play from Tati, probs to him
From what I have seen. It feel in AOE, you don't utilize as much land as we do in RoN. We don't have walls but I feel there is more land use.
Has @spiritofthelaw measured the eco bonus of this strategy?
Hey I'd love for you to spectate the noobs lobby's and pretend their like the pros. I feel it would be helpful for new players as they can find out what not to dk
Hey idk if you're trolling but He actually does have a series where He does that - low elo legends, it's one of my favourite formats 😄
@@InhumaneSinner I dunno but did I post this before he made the first elo legends?
Idk, probably^^
More! :)
its all the secrets of gold))
TaToH has been a beast the last half your
Show us all the tatoh Saracen games
Saracens look so intriguing now. Abusing the market is something I always like doing.
Where are the options to increase p’s? Utube took away settings?
These mindgames
Please I want to see more
More Tatii videos!!
Petition to make tatoh secretary of the treasury. He'll manipulate the market to get us out of the recession
Perfect game indeed!
High IQ play from TaToH
I'm a bit of a noob, how does the efficiency of mining gold to buy food compare to farming?
I'd assume it's a lot better early game, but gets worse as the price increases and you run out of gold mines?
Amazing mindgame
TATOH did this against hera too and Mr yo, i think
can i get the save/rec file for this?
I've been watching your utube games for a little while T90 and am wondering where you all play ? I think I would like to join in.
What map is this?
why do saracen archers do more dmg to buildings how does that make sense?
Soviless99 all civs have some unique bonuses.
At first glance it might seem as the unique units are the only difference between civs, but no two are alike, with acess to different units, and upgrades, different stats and unique techs and bonuses. Saracens archer bonus damage against buildings have long been considered one of the worst unique bonuses, because it's not very usable, exept for in some rare circumstanses where you could surprise your opponent by breaking through a wall or something.
The fun thing with watching TatoH and other pro play player is that they often find some new way of exploiting an under-used bonus. In this game he used the Saracen market bonus to buy food for scouts, but then switching to archers. This switch would't be possible without that specific bonus since you need an economy focused on food for scouts, but a gold-focused eco for archers.
J H i mean historically it doesn’t
Upload more please.
1000th like is me. This was sick.
This is why sareceans are good
Does anyone know of a good way to watch these games offline?
wow... Tatoh made Vivi looks like a complete n00b in this game...
QUESTION anyone, Can i just buy AOE2:DE as is or do i need a base game since it says digital code??? I havnt played AOE2 in umpteen years and i dont have any of the previous games.
You don't need anything. 20 bucks and you can get the whole game np.
@@TheAleatoryUser appreciate it
@Qubulisz appreciate it
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Tatoh made FatDragon look like a pleb
does anyone know where i can find aoe de ranking?
Probably: www.ageofempires.com/stats/ageiide/
It's only 1-200 though.
aoe2.net/#aoe2de-leaderboard-rm-1v1
thank you, kind sirs
TATIE SO BANG
grande tatitohhhh
"TaToH plays Saracens to PERFECTION"
More like TaToH pretends to be DAVE
Why? Is he getting bald?
t90Seal
TahTihToh sounds so much like little cat in Spanish is kinda uncomfortable lul
Spam this gatito 🐅 to root for Tatitoh!
Spam this gatito 🐈 to root for Tatitoh!
for what it's worth, some more korean gameplay would be really cool too.
Shit, I'm early...think of a joke... T90's farm placement.
GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED!!!!!
Hi
I don't understand the "Market abuse" concept. To me it's just using the market as intended; it's like calling Fish traps "Foodboat abuse"?
Wow, 29 seconds ago and 3 views, never been this early
those stats are always inaccurate, I just watched another vid on youtube that had 30 comments, 400 likes and 0 views.
Fighting Fish Fat Dragon
Actually, this is not Vivi. This is Jibatong that TaToH is playing.
Look at earlier names: steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198888171084
more Tatoh is fine by me.
This Vivi’s Chinese name reads as “my dick is really fat and big”
I dont understand any of this I'm jsut here for the architecture :)