The Death Of The Brickyard 400
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2022
- The Brickyard 400 at Indianapolis Motor Speedway was once in the league of the Daytona 500 in terms of prestige for the Cup Series. But by 2022, the race has been resorted to a road course disaster.
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Jarrett’s crew chief in ‘96 was not Buddy Parrott. It was Todd Parrott.
That is an awful mix up on my part.
@@NBRRacing Nascar should race anti clockwise on the road course🎉🎉🎉
Indy is cursed for anyone except the Indycar. F1 messed up there, NASCAR messed up too. It'a almost like the IMS tells them ''you do not belong here''
I literally just had this thought at the gym 😂
I couldn't tell you why F1 screwed up, but NASCAR messed up because of their incompetence. The change in car is what did this race in. If they stuck with the Gen-4 car or ran something similar, the oval would likely still be used and a big race.
This is a bad take, and makes you sound like an IndyCar elitist. Nascar sabotaged, through sheer incompetence their Indy races. Has nothing to do with the track.
@@nascarfanatic2425 Michelin tires had a problem that weekend and all teams with that tire brand sat out the race.
F1 and NASCAR shit the bed all on their own. F1 was trying to build North American popularity, already an uphill battle with just one event a year here, when they shat the bed with their tire fuck up. NASCAR changed the car in a way that didn't benefit the track and made no effort to fix that. Instead they tried to gimmick it up pushing it to the end of the regular season, then try and replace the Daytona July 4th race with it.
Indycar is successful because Indy is always at the forethought of what the cars do.
Didn't know 86 cars attempted to qualify for the first brickyard.. wow! Sign of a healthy and growing series at the time.
Well yeah. Bristol would be starting its 12th year of consecutive sellouts something it would keep doing til 2010 after nascar decided they needed fix it.
The problem, besides the tire fiasco, is cars that can’t pass. It’s not an Indy problem, it’s a NASCAR problem. NASCAR got bigger and bigger until they forgot that RACING was the important thing. They’ve just become an entertainment entity. Who wants to watch race cars NOT pass each other? It’s sad too, because NASCAR was great until they ruined it.
I was at the first Brickyard with some guys from work. The place was absolutely packed, and we had to take turns leaning forward or sitting up straight; there wasn't enough room to sit shoulder to shoulder. I watched on TV the next year as Earnhardt won and laughed when Dale said he was "the first man" to win it.
I still think that all in all the brickyard 400 was a good race. Better than the road course race.
Lets not let nostalgia cloud our judgement. It was a boring ass race but no doubt prestigious. The only race in nascar that ever rivaled that of daytona. Something he doesnt talk about though he mentions air races is nascar pulled the busch series race from irp to run at this track. I grew up about an hour away from both tracks and it was a tradition to go to irp for the night race then mosey over to the big track and party though the night get in a quick nap and watch the 400. Once they pulled the busch series race from irp i never went back. That was a way more exciting race. Short track racing under the lights is the very essence of stock car racing and nascar no longer have a damn about stock car racing. It was all about gimmicks and marketing ploys and a "to hell with the product" attitude that has done them in and cost millions of fans. I remember in the early 2000s some guy had a team with no sponser so to try and get one he wrote on his car "11 million per week" referencing how many people were watching on average at the time. They will be lucky to get that many total to watch the entire chase or playoffs or round robin whatever bullshit they call their product at the end of the year now.
It should be, and, should have never stopped being the Brickyard 400
As someone who has been going to Indy since the 08 tire fiasco I don't know what to do... I have enjoyed the road course the past few years over the COT/Gen6 cars on the oval. The NextGen car is a sports car designed more for road racing. So I think the race will be better next year on the road course. I also think they need to look into altering turn 1 a bit. I am also curious how the NextGen Car would do on the oval. My vote would be road 23, oval 24, road 25, oval 26. Then if the racing is still meh. Then move everything to IRP. I do like the Indycar Nascar double header. As a fan for $70 to see 3 races in 2 days at a BYOB track is an unbeatable value.
It is . Staying home and spending 0. Or spending 70 on just about anything else. You touched on the underlying issue. They lost me and my friends and families interest once they took the busch series race away from irp and moved it to ims. I use to go to both all the time as well as talladega and bristol. Taking the busch series race from irp was the last straw for me. That was always a way better race. Thats where my cousin and i became lifelong Dale Jr and Matt Kenseth fans after watching Jr edge out Kenseth there in 98. To think that nascar has now taken that opportunity away for future fans is well why they dont have many future fans.
You make the absolute best videos and are the sole reason I became a fan of Nascar. Thank you and keep up the incredible work.
2008 (with the Great Tire Fiasco) was the beginning of the end :(
NASCAR Needs to Replace IMS with North Wilkesboro or Fairgrounds until they figure it out
or go to the Milwaukee mile.
or just go back to the oval?
@@juuliusnero5349 nah.
Brickyard is a failure but a good experiment. Don't need to race there anymore
Wilkesboro doesn't seem to be a modern Cup ready venue. This is also an issue with IRP.
i do miss the brickyard, but i think the indy road course can work out given the time for teams to learn the limits of the track in terms of where to push the car at and where to play more conservatively. i think a 400/road course doubleheader could be a fantastic approach to the whole debacle
With the huge competition for dates between tracks I don’t see this happening
If they’re not going to go back to the oval (rectangle) then they should go to IRP. The road course is a mess.
I was there for that weekend. Watched Indycar, Xfinity and nascar. I personally think the road course is viable as well. It was only a bad showing because of the freak curbing incident. It was fun seeing the nascars being challenged with something different than the oval. The last 400 on the oval wasn't very exciting to watch. We will see what plays out though.
I cant believe you mention all those other series that came and went at the track and never mentioned the busch series. Thats the reason/final nail in the coffin i quit going to nascar races all together. My buddies and i made a tradition out of going to irp for the busch series night race (which was always a way better race) then would stumble our way over to ims and party til finally passing out for a quick power nap then go in and watch the 400. The Kroger 200 was always a fan favorite. People looked forward to going to it. With the Brickyard it was obviously more about the prestige than the on track racing. After the repaving of bristol and the taking away of the irp race that was one kick in the teeth too many. A sports radio host in indy summed it up best "oh great we get Suck Jr and Suck Sr". It was the official end of anyone in the area caring anymore.
I was 9 years old when the 94 brickyard took place. The talk and hype leading up to it was incredible. Stock cars...at indy. It seemed impossible. I begged my dad to get tickets. He actually tried but it was literally impossible by the time he actually got around to it. We had been to the fall Michigan race in 93 (my first race) and kept going every year until about 2003. You are right about nascar not racing at indy anymore. The cars they have now are nothing like a real stock car, or at least what a stock car used to be. The whole thing is nothing but a clusterfuck clown show anymore. The whole overtime thing is a joke and consistently causes the best team that day to lose a race they dominated and should have won because they got dumped on a restart that shouldn't have happened to begin with. They seriously may as well make the race 2 laps long and whoever is left at the end wins. The playoffs is what caused this driver behavior. It comes from desperation and routinely the driver that dominates the year loses the championship to a guy that got lucky or plowed over enough of his competitors once the playoffs started he came out ahead. If NASCAR wants to be real racing again they need to eliminate the playoffs, overtime, and build a good stock car again with a lot of power that doesn't depend so much on aero but chassis setup instead. Basically, they need to undo anything Brian France did.
Holy shit thats alot of people in the stands for that 94 race!!
2008 brickyard was similar to the tire debacle in the 2005 us grand prix at you guess it brickyard however Bridgestone was able to build a tire that could withstand the diamond groove pavement
Firestone is owned by Bridgestone so they probably have the advantage from syncing IndyCar data to F1's for that track.
4:19 - Ah; the day’s “OF AFFORDABLE NASCAR RACING” just look at that entry list; “AMAZING”!!!!!!
“NASCAR WOULD BE LUCKY TO GET 1/3 OF THE ENTRY’S THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN HERE IN 2022”!!!!!!
I think NASCAR just needs to move on from Indy. Upgrade IRP and race there.
The only solution is to replace goodyear with firestone and hold the race at irp until we can figure something out
I ship Michellin, Firestone, or Pirelli as NASCARs New Tire Supplier and NASCAR should have 3 - 5 Different Tire Compounds
@Aldous Coroza that would make for interesting tire strategies, especially with stage racing and teams pitting late in stages for softer faster tires and others staying out hoping the drivers who did pit will have worn tires by the end and gain track position at the end of the stage and cars on softer tires also making up positions before the tires fall off the cliff.
I agree and I disagree. I am a traditionalist they should put it back on the oval. I like the road course but I do not like that the road course replaced the oval
The Brickyard 400 was never ever in the league of the Daytona 500
Attendance says otherwise
@@everythingleftturns7782 This is about the NASCAR race on the Brickyard Oval. Which has never had that great of attendance. Most will crowds smaller than the Daytona 500 and certainly much much smaller crowds in attendance than the Indy 500
@@ChristopherWHerbert The first 5 years they ran the 400, it was absolutely on par with Daytona, in both attendance and purse.
It was very close the first few years; it was shiny and new and folks were excited about it but the luster faded quickly.
The only hope is they go back to the oval and the Next Gen car puts on consistently good racing
Fans don't care for the Oval. the stands prove it.. its why they went to the Road Course and even that is struggling.... should be the last year for the bricks maybe for a few years.
If the tires can hold up to the high cornering speeds, I have no objection to the oval coming back…as long as the Indycar/NASCAR crossover weekend can still happen.
Do a 60 lap duel race with teams that want to Compete, just to see how it behaves with the new car.
It wasn't just the 2008 debacle that did the event in. It was also the mickey mouse gimmicks that NASCAR started implementing. "Car of tomorrow", green/white/checker, lucky dog, "the chase", playoffs, and worst of all, stage racing.
as someone who has been to every nascar race at indy, please bring back the oval. the road course is boring unless the track is falling apart
Oval or nothing. I'm so far done with the Roval experience.
The charlotte Roval is actually fun to watch. 🤷🏻 Not so much for the Indy.
This is a symptom of nascar as a whole. No matter what you do nascar has abandoned its fan base and its downfall has been inevitable.
Great video man!
I've said it before, and I'm gonna say it again. NASCAR should never run on the Indy oval again. The Indy road course is easily more entertaining.
Ironically, as a European F1 fan who got into Indycar in 2020, the 2021 Indy Road Course Race is what got me into Nascar
It's a black eye for Nascar
shush.
How is that ironic?
Honestly, the Indy Oval is not meant for Stock Cars to begin with, Many forget the snoozers that the Indy Oval has Produced and the Tire Debacle and the Attendance Drop since 2008.
NASCAR should still keep racing at the Indy Road Course, but here are the Changes that I would do:
• Run it Backwards
• Use the Full Turn 1 Layout
• Instead of Using the Flatout S Chicane, use the Carousel Section
• Use the Corner used by MotoGP next to the 90° Corner
• Race it on Mother's Day Saturday
Basically my Layout is the F1 Layout with the Last Turn being the one used by MotoGP from 2013 - 2015
Great synthwave
The indy road course is a f.... disaster
I think Nascar could try hyping it up as a big event like the 500, make the prize money better, maybe some other incentives in line of how the 500 trophy has all it's past winners engraved on it.
It's a shame, I always loved the oval
Nascar: we ran a new car at Indy and things went from passable to a disaster.
Also nascar: it must be the track's fault.
GREAT video!
The think is this track is just hype, and the product or content is not good …oval or not
And now it’s worse because there is not even hype
Jeff Gordon was the highest of the Brickyard
they should move it to IRP. no good racing at the brickyard for stock cars
Kasey Kahne winning the brickyeard was probably the best brickyard race ive watched but it did become a wrekcfest because drivers couldnt get past one another but it was a symptom of the cot and the gen 6 being terrible at any kind of downforce track so to speak
It might be interesting if they went back to how it was the first time. Instead of 35 guaranteed starters, open it to everyone. If 85 teams want to race, let them try. A few Indycar or F1 drivers might increase interest in it.
I know they can't, but what if?
I think the NextGen car coupled with the new super-speedway tire package would do well at the Brickyard. The old tire may not have worked on the grooved surface, but it could serve to induce tire fall off with the new tire that’s seemingly too good on many tracks.
I wanna see the oval back... but I wanna see it alternative back and forth with the road course.
that qualifying session was back when you had multiple round multiple day qualifying...All 86 cars ran on day 1...they locked in 25...and everyone else could either stand on their time or make another attempt on day 2 to withdraw and better their time...
I say at Indy no restrictor plates,give em another 100 hp,lower the spoiler a lil & drop tha flag! THAT would b a race of finese
NASCAR did it to themselves. I look at 2013, 2017 and 2018 and the Brickyard 400 was still amazing to me and many others. NASCAR killed it for a trend in road course racing. Well. That and 2008
2017 says hi
people bitched even in 2018 and 17 lmao.
NASCAR and the fans as well. Not just nascar. Remember nascar said for the most part of tracks with LOW attendance will get replaced.
@@EllisEntertainment and the brickyard needs to go.
@@dennisbowen452 it's up to NASCAR
Eliminate the stupid stage cautions and the racing would be fantastic. It worked well for the road course this year.
Went to the 2001 Brickyard 400. Had a better time the day before the race. Better seats 2 practice sessions, qualifying, and an IROC race. Good times
86 teams trying to qualify for the Brickyard in 1994 to probably less than half that since NASCAR has destroyed itself. Like he said, the car of tomorrow and NASCAR stupid changes killed it all.
IMO, the road course is SO MUCH BETTER. Way more actions and displays better driver ability. It's not just turning left, its setting a car up to dominate in both the left and right hand turns. It harkens back to the roots of NASCAR with moonshine runners having to outrun the law on actual roads. NASCAR has enough courses that only turn left, a few road course races a year adds the spice that it needs and separates the good drivers from the great drivers.
“They don’t race at Daytona” is a quote I use to argue dropping it, personally I disagree with your statement of it being an honor to race there, it’s just an old racetrack, one that was made for 1 racing series, not stock cars or F1 cars, just IndyCars, and that’s all who need to race there.
Yeah i would love to see the oval back too but i dont think its going to happen.
I remember this I was at my uncle's house helping him get his dirt track car ready 2 go racing later that evening at the toccoa speedway n toccoa GA oh I love it the memories not a wonder boy fan but Jeff won that race I'ma dale Earnhardt sr fan then and still 2 this day
NASCAR never should've raced at Indy. In fact, if it were up to me NASCAR would never leave Dixie, but even if they do, IRP and Salem are right there going begging. I know commercial interest override everything else, but as far as I'm concerned, stock cars can only defile the Brickyard.
Maybe both the Indy Oval and the Indy Road Course doesn't fit for NASCAR anymore. I remember watching the last Brickyard 400 a few years ago and it was a snooze fest. There wasn't a lot of passing and basically became "follow the leader". The Indy Road Course on the other hand also doesn't produce good racing and it was the same thing like the Indy Oval, "follow the leader". Maybe we should give the Indy Oval one last chance since the Gen 7 car made racing little more better on intermediates and speedways.
Dimond grooving Indy was a huge mistake.
9:52 This aged well... Thanks to Texas...
THE BRICKYARD 400 IS BACK
NASCAR at Indianapolis went down the drain when the Cup Series switch to the COT and Goodyear produces shit tires. The road course at Indianapolis is not worth it for any NASCAR division. NASCAR needs to return the Cup Series to the main oval at Indy and the Xfinity and Craftsman Truck Series need to go back to IRP.
I dont really care for the roval at Daytona or the road coarse at Indy. Next thing u know theyll turn Talledega into somethin stupid. Indy is a circle track. Daytona is a circle track(somewhat)...run em as they were built!
At this point, unless something incredible happens when they go there later this year, I wouldn't be surprised if NASCAR leaves Indy, at least with IMS. Trucks get to race IRP, so, maybe Cup & Xfinity move there.
The event was special but now it has become an disaster
Gotta remember the 2020 race was run with no fans because of the "global event" we're not allowed to talk about. That meant the 15 people who were planning on going had to stay home.
Absolutely hate the road corse at Indy and the roval Ruined both races
The last time I went was 2008. Was fun
So hard to hear Benny and Bob.
14:17 - Jamie Mac; at least he brought the car home “IN ONE PEICE”
Rather than “IN A BOX” most of the time…….😊😊😊😊
They need to bring back the brickyard 400 Pronto
NASCAR has destroyed itself
i just need to see one just one race on the oval with the new car to see I've nascar should keep running there I do kinda miss it as there's a push to remove big tracks for more short tracks which I'm not fully against but they need to fix the cars there I honestly didn't like both races on the road course they need to try this car on the oval if nascar and ims want this race to stop being treated like a joke
If the aprons had still been in place the racing would have been much better.
18:00 🤣
i like the oval and the road course....learn to turn right sometimes!!
lol - i think i went to the first 5 - hell i didnt know they didnt run there anymore - hilarious
Dead it is and has been for this entire decade,
Your opinion. Not everyone's
Just run the whole track, there problem solved, you do a lap around the oval the next lap around the road course, sometimes my level of genius is frightening
COT killed this race.
It's such a shame that tyre failures killed both NASCAR and Formula 1 at Indy. Just 3 years before the 2008 Brickyard 400, the 2005 Formula 1 United States Grand Prix was tainted by tyre issues. Due to the same diamond grooving that affected NASCAR, F1 teams running Michelin tyres (BAR Honda, Renault, BMW Williams, McLaren, Sauber, Red Bull and Toyota) found their tyres disintegrating during practice, with Toyota driver Ralf Schumacher suffering a heavy crash at T13 (T1 on the oval). Because no agreement could be reached to solve the issue, the Michelin teams withdrew, leaving only three teams (Ferrari, Jordan and Minardi) to take the start. The six car 'race' was won by 7x champ Michael Schumacher, who took his only win of the season, with his Ferrari team mate Rubens Barrichello 2nd, and the Jordan of Tiago Monteiro 3rd. The race limped on until 2007, when it dropped of the calendar. F1 wouldn't return to the States until 2012, when they started racing at COTA
Just one reason I walked away from nascar.
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NASCAR is ruining NASCAR HIGHbanks and high speed and high horsepower is what made them. 👎 oval tracks It’s called IMSA
This race was never on the level of the Dayton 500. Dude do your research.
This should be named "The Death of Nascar," because they parallel each other.
In fact, I'm so disgusted they should "retire" the "Nascar Cup" and call it something else, instead of taint all the past greats with many these little immature clowns they have now and the silly "entertainment" they encourage.
Kinda like, the WWF became the WWE(ntertainment.)
No matter how hard they try, it'll never recapture the past interest or glory.
The road courses at Indy and Charlotte have turned the races at two iconic ovals into a couple of rolling clown shows. NASCAR cup cars look like a bunch of big turtles lumbering their way around the narrow infield courses. This is an oval track series. Let's keep it that way.
Come on buddy it's still an oval series don't make it sound like it's the end of the world
The new cars put on a good race at pocano so they would do just as good at Indy I would think
So one thing on your claim that F1 stared to run races at Indy around 2008.
F1 had been running at Indy's road course from 2000 to 2007. F1 has not returned to Indy since
Also, hilariously F1 had the same issue with Parelli tyres at its 2005 race and Indy. This lead to what is considered to be the WORST race in F1 history, and probably the most farcical race in motorsport history. You would think a company like Goodyear would have seen that and though "hmm maybe we should do some testing to see if we need a harder tyre than normal for Indy" 🙄
F1 ran Michellin's and Bridgestone's in 2005, until everyone decided to Run Michellin from 2006 - 2010 .Pirelli did not Start with F1 Until 2011. Do your Research as well
@@aldouscoroza You are right it was Michelin that had the problems at indy in 2005 not Pirelli. However you are also wrong as Michelin pulled our of F1 in 2006 after the indy controversy leading to Bridgestone being the sole tyre manufacture until Pirelli took over in 2011. This change to a single tyre manufacturer led to the 'you must run at least 2 tyre compounds in the race (excluding when it rained) rule' When tyre changes were re-introduced in 2007. My mistake was mixing up Pirelli with Michelin. Maybe you should check your facts before criticising someone else's.
@@benjaminhoward-buck8075 THe 2005 F1 tire rules didn't help. See Kimi at the Nurburgring for why or example 2
@@jacekatalakis8316 That is very true... although if we went into that cluster f**k we would be here till Christmas
NASCAR is DEAD, all the NOT stock bodies, with the twisted bodies being the worst, killed the whole Win on Sunday sell on Monday prestige. Plus everyone knows, well most everyone knew that the front wheel drive cars you could buy at the dealership weren't the same as what they raced. That lasted from the mid 80's until they started using the Mustang and Camaro. The next stake in the heart will be the hybrids, it would seem that the powers to be have no CLUE that the NOISE is at least 50% of the excitement for most people.
I truly hope that whoever decided to sign tony stewart, actually regrets ever doing it! I surely regret ever having such a nasty driver on my television...
How many championships have you won?
@@silvy3047 what relevance does that have to my comment? Go be a tony stewart fanatic away from me!
Its a JOKE now.