Ibanez RG Entry Level vs Prestige | What does an extra $1000 get you?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- The Ibanez RG range of guitars are modern classics. I travelled to Promusic in Kärnten, Austria to find out what the differences are between a €400 model and a €1400 model?
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00:00 Intro
00:29 Ibanez RG421PB-CHF First Look
02:18 Ibanez RG652AHMFX-RPB First Look
05:43 Distortion Sounds
08:53 Cleanish Sounds
10:12 Fuzz Sounds
12:17 The details
15:05 More Distorted Sounds
18:48 What do you get for 1000 more?
24:30 The sad truth
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So which one did you prefer?
I actually just got the Caribbean yesterday as luck would have it. My first Ibanez and I wanted to just try one so the price was right to give it a go. From what I have seen from playing mine I am considering a nicer one at this point. I would prefer the Prestige for sure but for a first time out....... I'll keep mine just because of the finish. Being I live by the ocean and love it the finish speaks to me! Good to see you again Andy.
I'm a sucker for 🟣
The prestige of course, but for the level of playing demonstrated in this video - even a Gio is way enough, man, don't bother with the prestige XD sorry, but I had to be honest. Cool video though!!
I just got my 421 set up professionally by my guitar tech, with a setup and some thick strings it sounds and feels great. I'm gonna be getting locking tuners and probably getting new pickups soon as well.
The Green Kiko200 hanging on the wall behind you....
I did a big upgrade from beginner guitar to Prestige. At first I was going to get a cheaper model, but I decided to save up and go for prestige. I had the opportunity to try the cheaper RG recently and let me tell you, Prestige is far superior and I don't regret a bit getting it!! It just sounds and feels fantastic! Go for Prestige if you can
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I have a nice schecter and decided to get a Ibanez 5121 prestige last week. What a guitar and absolutely flawless build quality on the one I have 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
ive been playing a grx40 for a year or so, i have enough money for a prestige. Do you think its worth it for me to buy a prestige ibanez currently?
@@dejja7376 I'd say go to a music shop and try it out. It is quite expensive at the end of the day, but if you see yourself playing guitar for years to come and have the money, it's certainly worth the investment.
@@Zara-ix6uk no shops in my country even have ibanez guitars, so i cant really try them out. I can order one online maybe and return it if i dont like it
thank you for visiting our shop. It was very funny and I also made a new friend along the way. i look forward to future sessions. Keep on rockin' Andy!
Thank you for having me. I still remember that wonderful pizza
The mad thing is that the 421 isn't even entry level, the Gio series is.
I've had a great time with my GRG and for around £180, there's a lot of guitar in there. Compare it to my Player Telecaster and the feeling is a whole world apart. I think the law of diminishing returns is true, but the Prestige model is probably worth every bit of money.
Thing with cheaper guitars is, they are like box of chocolates, you never know what you get. With expensive models, the work quality is steady and rock solid. In cheap models you might get something just as good, or a Monday dud. In something like Ibanez Prestige line, there is no Monday duds. I think that's the primary thing you pay for in expensive guitar. That, and better pickups/hardware. The tone woods let's face it make very little difference in electric guitars
@@shredd5705 This is it, right here. I lucked out with my Gio, it does what I need it to do. And I'm kind of on the market now for a step up... for sure want to stay in the Ibanez family. Are their semi-hollows any good?
@@jdmaine51084 Don't know about semi-hollows, but the solid bodies I have are great. I have RG652AHMFX from Prestige line, and an older seven string RG1527Z. Both really good, can't complain about anything. Their quality control is so strict for those Prestige line guitars, that it's safe to even mail order one (as long as you have played it somewhere, so you know what you're getting into and how the neck profile feels)
I definitely prefer the logical Ibanez numbered naming system over other brands random word system that tells you nothing about what it is and where it sits in the range .
I own a RG 421 and it's my favorite guitar I've ever owned. I'm 49 and been playing since 15 and owned over 20 guitars i8 my life and Ibanez RG models are my favorite of all time .
I love the rg421 as well, s series is nice as well
Out of those Ibanezes I prefer the Prestige but my wallet prefers the RG.
Same man 😢
The way Ibanez name their guitars is actually a lot better than every other major company imo.
My fender has some really simple name and it doesn’t even say it on the back of the headstock, so when I try to look it up to see what it’s worth (I want to sell it) I can’t even find the same one. Also trying to look up information on it is difficult because people either get the name wrong or don’t bother even using it.
Same for the Gibson sg I used to own, Gibson made so many sg’s over so many years, trying to find anything about that guitar specifically was like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
Since Ibanez’ system is naming their guitars basically like a serial number, it’s incredibly easy to find all the information you need on one specific model. For example, if you type in the specific Ibanez you’re looking for on reverb or sweet water, you will find it if it’s there. Whereas if you’re trying to find a specific fender, Gibson, Schecter, etc; you’ll type in whatever you’d think the name is and you’ll get loads of results filled with similar guitars with similar names with the correct one *may* be in there
Well said. Once you know what the numbers mean it's pretty easy to work out the rough value also
Long time Ibanez fan here. The entry level models are great bang for the buck imho. Great platform for upgrading as well. The Prestige level models are where the professional instruments begin. Both suitable for the large majority of us weekend players.
Gio series is "entry level" not the 421's.
421 has ceramic pickups a poplar burl top, meranti body, maple neck with jatoba board; and 652 has alnico pickups, ash body, maple/walnut neck with birdseye maple board, if we're to believe Ibanez website. The 5way switch is:
1 bridge humbucker
2 both as singles
3 both humbuckers
4 neck humbucker in parallel
5 neck humbucker
Hey just wanted to say that I discovered you the other day with your review of the RG5121 (which I ended up buying from Reverb after watching your video) and I love your reviews and general attitude regarding gear. It's not often that people are willing admit the true narrowness of the gap between a lot of modern "levels" of instruments. You've helped give me confidence in the decision to go with a more high end instrument but also recognize that "mid level" guitars can very much have a place in my collection of "high end" IBANEZES.
I just bought the 421 last night. I have a pretty good selection of Ibanez to begin with. Haven't had a chance to mess with it too much... So, I'm glad I came across this video.
My pride and joy is my premium rg1070pbz which rivals a few prestige models💪🎸😎
I have 5 Ibanez guitars from entry level Gio upto a made in Japan 7V
They do get better as you go up the range, but only to a point.
I bought most of them many years ago, the Japan made ones are
highly desirable but are now very expensive.
Great guitars that are easy to play thanks to their wide radius slim necks.
Welcome to the world of Ibanez where no matter what level you purchase you can never go wrong. Ibanez is the best hands down.
I own both an old Prestige (RG 1620x) and a much cheaper RG 42 fm. They both sound great, but every time I grab the Prestige it feels like I'm driving a Lexus. I can't explain the difference but it is there. Everything about it is top-notch.
Japanese engineering. Japanese culture demands attention to detail, usability, and quality.
Two great looking and sounding Ibanezes. I do think that overall the 652 did sound a bit better, but the 421 sounded great, particularly the dirtier stuff. So for an extra grand, you get a more versatile, finely tuned instrument. The 421 seems like a stupidly good option for an affordable rock/metal guitar, especially if you give it a little tlc.
I recently bought an RG6003FM. Very similar to the less expensive model. People have said that it is a good guitar for the money. IMHO I find it to be just as playable as a guitar in the 750 to 800 range (usd). I will replace the nut, put on locking tuners and maybe consider pickups down the line but I am very happy with my purchase. The shop gave me a full setup for no charge for free. I played it a lot before buying. Great video. I did like and subscribe. Thank you.
I have one Im getting ready to sell. Have had it for quite a few years. The bridge on the Prestige is incredible...my Ash RG421 had one. Pickups are always the first thing I swap out. If you wanted to swap the Alnico 5/Ceramic out of the stock pickups with an A2 or A4 it might soothe it some! Just trying to be helpful.
Ok I changed my mind l. In FB I picked the purple but up close and personal I much prefer the blue and inexpensive one. Some reasonable mods would bring it up to the sound and playability of the expensive one. The 652 is beautiful but there’s something special about the 421. Another fascinating video Andy. Cheers!!!
Ibanezesss
I actually have that model!! The Rg421PB same design and everything, I took the pickups out and replaced them with a 59 neck and JB bridge Seymour Duncan humbuckers it’s extremely versatile, plays beautifully and the thin neck makes it easy I highly highly suggest it
Great review! What was the background effect you used for "that dodgy 70's music" you played. I hear that a lot here in Hawaii. I didn't pick up on the gear you used. Thanks in advance! Great review!
I own an RG 421 and it’s a beauty!
Having said that, I’ve owned a few Ibanez guitars and every one has been exceptional, for the price, no better guitar available, the feel of them is soooo good at every price point
Andy the giant next to a full size Marshall stack! 😜
The plural for Ibanez is I34n3z
I have this guitar RG421 in this finish and absolutely love it one of the most versatile guitars I own
The Prestige seems better to me in all aspects although the entry level Ibanez is a great guitar. Also the paint job and the fact that the Japanese are renown for their craftsmanship and great attention to detail. Plus the quality of wood. You get what you pay for. As far as playability, both guitars seem really good. And you said it yourself, the neck is so important-it is one of the most important things to me.
Both great guitars. The Caribbean Burl is extremely nice but there’s just something about that purple with the maple fretboard that really just grabs me by the eyeballs and screams ‘Give up eating food and buy me dammit!’ Or something like that.
Never owned a prestige but ive owned mid priced(7421) and multiple 6 string rgs in the same price range all the way through to the iron label series(rgib6 and rgdix) and all though the mid priced ibanez are great guitars, dont get me wrong but i do enjoy my iron labels much, much more. Like you said, it really comes down to attention to detail and more quality hardware really. No matter how many brands i try out, i always end up going back to ibanez. My first guitar was a Gio rg so i guess they have a special place in my 💙 🤷♂️
The prestige model fit and finish is better and the neck is thinner. Also the neck is more stable on the prestige. Feels more solid in your hand. I have several prestige models and several other RG models that are lesser expensive. All great guitars though.
The first electric guitar I played was my gfs RG, she got it when she was 17......we are now in our 30s 😆. Sounds great still but man the floyd rose is a pain sometimes lol. Great video! 🤘
Floyd roses are absolute pains in the ass
Hi, I just bought rg421pb same guitar, one problem I have is that I don't know to tighten the volume knobs, it will be very appreciated if you knew to how tighten this and could let me know. Thanks
Hi...what is the difference between the rg421bp model and the 421 ahm in sound????
rg's guitars have the best feel in my opinion, the necks are always perfect on the rg's from the wizard III to the super wizard
when youre watching this video and you have an Ibanez in your hand and you don't even care which one is which... thats Ibanez..
my RG 321 MOL is doing a wonderfull feedback while I'm typing.. !!
I have a RG470 that I bought around 1994. It was the first electric I bought on my own. If I remember correctly, I paid around $700 for it. The hardshell case may have been included in the price. I still play and love the guitar. I do want to change the pickups on it. The V7 (neck) and the V8 (bridge) just don't do it for me. I am looking to change both pickups but just not sure which DiMarzio pickups I will go with.
You might try a Dimarzio Tone Zone pickup in the bridge and a Air Norton in the neck for extended versatility. That's my setup.
Both are beautiful Ibani. I think I'd go for the €400 one and mod it
The 5-way switch on the HH RGs is 1-Bridge Hum, 2-double split with inner singles, 3- both Hum, 4-neck pickup in Parallel, 5-neck Hum. It’s an interesting combination but it’s unique.
Just got a RG 421 mol with the body mount pup's.. amazing bang for the buck.
Seems Ibanez made a good job building good RGs for every comfort level of spending money. Will there be more content with Ibanes from this shop?
This is a cool video
I think you can get really good value by upgrading the parts of the RG like locking tuners and different pickups. Sure it won't be a Prestige but I'm no Tim Henson :) it would possibly be the best value for me... Still wanna get a Prestige though, they're gorgeous.
Thumbs up for Tim Henson mention. Dude's a beast with the axe
I don't know why but to me, the cheaper guitar sounded "fuller" and "richer" somehow in your sample. Someone else also hearing it or do you think the opposite?
If I'm correct,the lower prices RG has a veneer top where the Prestige models have solid tops
I like the looks of the cheaper actually more. But the prestige sounds better with headphones and is certainly better in terms of craftsmanship
Ok… I’m hearing a problem there.. the 421 stays much better in tune.. and the 652 doesn’t stay in tune.. but sounds better in tone…deeper in tone and more sizzley in distortion than the 421 Ibanez.
Why doesn’t the 652 stay in tuned better; when the fixed bridge looks more sturdy in material?
I'm on my quest for Ibanez 7 string. I have looked at the RG7420 to the RGA7521.
Cheaper looks nicer with the two tone striped front and darker back. Other one sounds better. I just bought an SG that I like, but it’s not "pointy" enough for my daughter-she likes this type of body and the Flying V.
the RG421 is such a great guitar at its price
I agree. I own this actual Prestige (Royal Plumb Burst) and it's just amazing and my go to guitar when recording. (Everything is much better quality wise), but I also own a couple of RG421's as well. Fantastic guitars that I am always playing on. Great value for money.
Looks like Pete Honore needs that Plum Purple Burst to add to his purple Haze harem.
If anyone is looking for a way to get a cheaper prestige, go for either the RG 550 Genesis, or the RG 565 Genesis. Both cost under £1000 (got my 550 for £799) and are made by the same team who make the prestige line of guitars in Japan. You're literally getting a prestige for half the price. The only thing some people might not like about the Genesis guitars is the old school heel joint, it's not the all access style like the more modern Ibanez guitars. For the price, it's one of the best guitar deals to be had right now.
I actually like the heel joint on the Genesis. I don’t feel it hinders my playing at all. Love the Wizard HP neck. Want to buy more Ibby’s with the Wizard HP neck. Just fits my hand so well!
Like deer, Ibanez is the plural of Ibanez. A deer walks across the road, all of the deer walk across the road. I love all of my Ibanez guitars. He has multiple Ibanez guitars. He has 4 Ibanez guitars. I had an Ibanez guitar with Floyd Rose system. I think all of the Ibanez guitars are well built for the price, especially among the lower tier of Ibanez.
Immediately as soon as you Brought out the Purple Ibanez, I was blown away. Where I live Guitar Center is trying to sell Sub Par Ibanez Guitars for 1300 dollars +, that have sharp fret edges, No Pearl, crap paintjobs, and crap pickups/ tremolos. I have a 2008 RG321 that feels better than a any prestige Ive played there. I bought it for $298 New
holy molly.. how you survived after this marshall's amp?
There is a difference mostly on hardware and pickups + feel of the neck. BUT the difference not feel 1000 bucks on RG models. On other brands/model the difference is more accurate. Ibanez makes really good low/mid price guitars.
10 Single humbucker (H) pickup configuration (e.g. RG2610E)
20 HH pickup configuration (e.g. RG1520A)
30 SSS pickup configuration with pickguard (e.g. SA130FM) or
HH pickup configuration with pickguard (e.g. RG331M)
40 HSS pickup configuration with pickguard (e.g. RT140)
50 HSH pickup configuration with pickguard (e.g. RG1550)
60 HSS pickup configuration without pickguard (e.g. RG560)
70 HSH pickup configuration without pickguard (e.g. RG1570)
80 HSH with direct-mount humbuckers (e.g. RG380)
Anyone have an opinion on Tremolo vs hard tail guitars and which is better to own in the long run if you are a vibrato player.
go for Tremolo if you're really into vibrato, otherwise don't even bother. Tremolos are a real pain when it comes to tuning.
Maybe I am wrong but you presented SA series not S and body of SA is slightly thicker then S series. Overall good presentation.
They sound very harsh to my ears - or is it just the signal chain?
Same with PRS guitars. Very rarely is the $2000 model really that much better than the $800 SE model.
The Premiums and Prestige are worth the price, you can feel it and immediately notice it when you move to a chapter guitar. Most Ibanez I've played cheap or expensive have been quality instruments though.
Very cool. Ibenises
Subbed!
Ibanezi is the plurality desired. 😬
Would have been interesting to compare the RG421AHM with the more expensive one as a parts from being blue it’s looks almost exactly the same
Yes, RG421AHM vs RG652AHMFX. If only they have the Premium version.. With matching headstock.
what is the difference between the rg421bp model and the 421 ahm in sound???
RG421AHM-BMT(Standard) vs RG652AHMFX-NGB (Prestige) . If only they have a Premium version.. With matching headstock please..😁
Hi I plan to buy a model close to the +1000 euros its almost guaranted that I Will be satisfied
So as an owner of that RG421 I absolutely love it, one of my favourites to play, but just sold my Ibanez RG1127 also in the same finish as the 421 actually but I did not like it at all, beautiful guitar but worst purchase I ever made
The smirking about the numbering system is straight up comedy.
My ear instantly leans toward the more expensive one.
i would have the cheaper one, i cant hear a difference and i prefer the fretboard and the finish, that being said, i have a first gen AZ prestige
Excactly, you need to have both and compare for a few months. I would expect Prestige to have better tuning stability, loger life of electronic components, better intonation, more reliable overall. But you missed the point the Prestige includes a case the comparision was not favor imho.
Wood looks much better on the cheap one. I had two of the cheap ones (RG350/RG421). After two years of good use one had a twisted neck and the other a ruined Edge tremolo. In the 90s i had an RGR565, comparable to the Prestige, qualitywise, it lasted for 15 years, then needed a refret and the tremolo some srews.
So it's 450,- every two years, or 1400,- for 15 years. You do the math.
If you can't afford a prestige try the Premium series their pretty much close to each other
Is the rg 550 an entry level guitar?
no
Ibanezes are all solid. I wish I got a straight answer in the end. But if it was up to my credit card, I'd go with the cheaper option. I can't hear a thousand dollar difference.
I liked the RG better. It took effects better and wasn't over priced.
both are RGs ;)
I honestly think the cheaper one looks a hundred times better
the 421 pb is amazing. I went into the store shopping for another gibson les paul and completely lost interest. kept going back and picking this thing up. picked it up about 5 times and kept walking back over. its so loud unplugged. i paid 380. If I didnt buy it I would have been thinking about it forever. this thing will be as good as anything once broken in. these will be a model that gets remembered.
Obviously the Prestige is better but it has better hardware. I commend you on nearly answering the question, "Is $1,000 extra Euro's worth it?" To witch you said Yes!, but than took it back and went with "whatever is better for you." Great demo though, I wish they just gave you the two without saying the price or the material and just let you decide then. Like the Pepsi Challenge. I do have one question: Would you ever dare actually sand down a guitar's neck and refinish it in satin? Well one more question as I'm sucker for a guitar's paint job, look, and weight. So having a lot of guitars is an addiction. Would you rather have the one Prestive or 3 different colors of R421 andstill save $200
You can hear right away how much more sustain that Prestige has.
Prestige is always worth it. Save up the extra money you won’t regret it.
At times yes the 652 sounds better; than other times the 421 sounds better?
Ibanez in my opinion does the best job on their guitars even on their cheapest models. An Ibanez at 400 euros is very close... I can say many times that it is even better than guitars from other companies that they cost 700 euro. I have played with Fender, Jackson, esp, B.C. Rich guitars and more in that price 700-800 euro... and they was nothing more than woods for the fireplace
15:07 who else thought he was going to play Holy Wars.
Tune the guitar man!
The 421 to me sounds and looks better than the 652
How can Fender show it's face when Ibanez is making these beautiful guitars?
Also, some of the more expensive Ibanez has ALNICO VIII - which sounds absurd, but it's actually a good idea since you get a lot more inductance without having to go ceramic.
But, most of the guitars are going to sound quite similar, especially if you have an EQ.
There’s room for fender and Ibanez and lots more. They make VERY different guitars. Quality wise, Ibanez is among the best
@@TheGuitarGeek I meant they are ugly and 'cheaper'. Fender has always been cheap - it's their style. But now you pay more for them! Look at the uncomfortable heal joints, string trees, cheap, stamped trems, big ugly pick guards. Don't even give you 22 frets on the Squires. No shielding. Not to mention the beautiful finish you get now on the Ibanez. No comparison. All your getting with Fender is ALNICO pickups.
But I should add I like to buy a lot of cheap squires because they are easy to mod.
@@valueofnothing2487 i hear you.
I prefer 421 Ibanezer out of the two Ibanezeses.
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Sound test
For all those saying GIO's are the entry level, yes they are since 97' but come on 400 series is a entry/lower cost RG as well. They always have been. I remember when the EX was around back in the late 80's early 90's that was the 'gio" type back then. Gio's are fine to start with, but let's be honest, they're really cheap. I've had better Chibanez guitars... They may look cool, but they're bottom of the barrel with an Ibanez name on it. For me entry level Ibanez will always be the 300-400 Rg series. As it is with a lot of Ibanez players that are at least over 25 years old. Gio's are made in China, one piece maple neck, cheaper woods, even cheaper hardware and electronics. The 400 series RG's, is a better maple wizard 3 neck, better hardware and electronics, better wood and make in Indonesia, to me that's an entry level guitar if you really want to learn. it has better playability, stays in tune better, feels and sounds like a real guitar and not a step up from a toy guitar which all these things will inspire people to stick with it more which is the job of an entry level guitar. I've had a lot of people I knew students as well want to give up playing cause they just couldn't get a good set up on the Gio's and it wouldn't stay in tune or this and that. The 400 series is also a guitar that you could gig with and it would hold up just fine. I know i'll get responses I'm sure about how wrong I am etc etc.. but, I've been playing guitar since 1980 and have played Ibanez since 87'. And I had a Gio just to see and I've had better Chibanez guitars.. for approx 180 dollars more you get a way better entry level guitar. As for the difference between prestige and the Rg 400 series there are quite a few differences, it used to be getting a guitar build it Japan was the big difference, but Indo builders have come such a long way. They're really making fantastic guitars. Will the 400 series come with upgraded pickups? No. Will it come with a 5 piece neck? nope. But that's really the two biggest differences. The neck can't really do anything about unless you want to order one and replace it. but the wizard necks on the Rg's are my favorite neck of all time, so I'm ok with that. replacing pups are very easy and not that expensive. Not worth the 1000 price difference. And if you don't know how to solder, EMG's are solderless and they have some really good pickups. I was anti EMG until the retro-actives came out and tried them. I'm sold and I ended up discovering the 57/66's that Ritchie Faulkner uses and i have 4 guitars with those in them. And it took me about 30 minutes total to install and no solder required.
No preference but I enjoyed the video
Not really my type of guitar to be honest. I prefer the look of the RG but dont like the style. Id be all over a tele with that purple finish though.
The plural for Ibanze: is it Ibanezes or Ibani? Include the plural for Ibanez...in your manuals Ibanez!
P.S.- there is no wrong answer here. Ibanez makes the best all-around guitar regardless of price point hehe. I'm totally not biased. What do the 4 Ibanezezezezs that I currently own have anything to do with this?
Great now I’m GASing for a RG1121.
I'd imagine it would have the same singular and plural, For example: 'Look at that Ibanez over there' or 'This field is full of Ibanez'.
@@MrRattlebones640 I agree, Comrade.
Sound quality is a little off but at least it's very honest.
I think I sort of understand their system for RG. vintage bridge usually ends with 20, floating ends in 70 or 50, fixed bridge ends in 21.
Difference between 70 and 50 is that 50 usually means there's a pickguard like how RG550 and RG570 are basically the same thing and the pickguard is the main difference
I do sometimes get it and then forget it...
Nice try, but not even close to whats the switch does ; ) These Ibanez 5 ways are;
1: bridge bucker
2: both inner coils series
3: both buckers series
4: neck in parallel!!!!!
5: neck bucker
I wish they would do position 2 as parallel for that chickenpickin quack, but the inner coils in series is a really nice Merle Haggard tele tone.
562 :) sounds better more soft I like rg421 me next guitar and one day Japan ibanez and Mexico fender
I have an RG and a GIO, I believe the GIO was under $500, I really don't remember but it was cheat. two humbuckers, and this first RG seems like it's just a GIO...
Prestige always. Pissed they still use nickel frets on the S series. But yeah.
@ $1,000 more the purple prestige ibanez is clearly overpriced. That said i think it would stand out even more with a slightly darker ash body, flamed maple fingerboard that's given the baked keasel treated fingerboard treatment.
Buy the 421 instead of the prestiege and spend 200 bucks taking it to a pro to do a setup and possibly a nut change. Spend the remaining pile of cash on good hardware/software and lots of lessons (the stuff responsible for 95% of your sound).
Unless you are shredding modern metal at an advanced level its highly unlikely the upgrade to the prestige will be worth it, especially if you are just dad-rocking.
I bought a very expensive boutique guitar and I seriously don't get much out of it aside from bragging rights and pride of ownership.
wow they sound exactly the same with distortion
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