After I watched this video I immediately tested on my s5ii and godox x2to trigger on ttl and confirmed it. In hindsight I did notice the delay already, but I was using the camera with the phone app as a remote shutter to test Portrait Lighting, so I thought the lag was from how I was triggering the camera. I also had a canon (m50) and also confirmed that this wasn’t an issue on the canon using its respective x2tc trigger. Overall I’m pretty happy with my S5ii so I’m kind of glad I didn’t see this until after I’d already bought it, since I do like using flash, though not in such a fast paced environment like you; but I can see the lag getting old real quick if it causes me to miss a candid moment. Fingers crossed lumix does fix it…because they don’t have their own flash to sell, hopefully they’ll be more cooperative with 3rd party manufacturers on getting a solution out. Great video!
Thank you! Like I said in the video, switch to manual mode if you need the fastest performance, but that has its own downsides of needing to deal with changing exposure for the environment, but hey it’s what you gotta do I guess. Hopefully they fix it asap!!!
You’ll need a jinbei or westcott trigger, godox will not work with it. The good news is the Jinbei/westcott triggers work with all cameras just like the flashes :)
Hi im Stephen the wedding photographer from the video, Some more points, on the Godox V1 i would get banding at the bottom of photos with HSS but at really random SS, and also even without TTL when im below sync speed id get the random banding right at bottom. Also using the X2T triggers on GOdox had even more shutter delay i maionly shoot with triggers, Jinbei is better in that regard for. On JInbei you cant burst shoot with TTL or HSS you have to sue X-Sync, on Godox you can burst fire but the burst mode is literally a quarter of the speed that it shoudl its really quite bad. TLDR Lumix basically suck at Flash
great video! what a shame for Lumix having this problem for a while and still no solution ... Having 6 godox flashes and now got X2t trigger for Lumix and after few days of trying to live with this delay I ended up ordering Jingbei
I bought the Westcott FJ80ii M Universal, brand new at the same price as jinbei. I emailed them (Westcott) and I’m was assured as the flash is 100% compatible with Panasonic S5ii. I didn’t had time to test it out as I’ve just received and also I will need to update the flash firmware before using it.
Great video! For the s5ii for wedding photography which flash and settings would you recommend for the reception? I won't be using burst too much. Thanks!
Manual mode for flash, eye detection OFF, AF-s and move the AF point over the head and you won’t have any issues! I typically set flash power to around 1/64 and then adjust my ISO to suit, shooting at around 200-800 ISO depending on the lighting
Just bought the Godox V1 Pro for my Lumix G9. The flash wobbles on the shoe mount even with the locking ring engaged. Went in-store and tested a couple more Godox flash units with the locking ring and they all do the same. Have you had this issue? If so what was the solution?
Yeah that’s a design problem with the V1Pro, it’s why I much prefer the tightening knob of the Jinbei. That said the regular V1 I felt was a bit more solid on my S5ii. Despite the slightly loose feeling of it it’s never been an issue in use, and I cannot stand the always on backlight of the Jinbei hence why I still feel the v1Pro is the best option for Lumix.
@@rudermanphoto appreciate the fast response. Yeah loved the flash itself but was left unsettled by how loose it felt on the camera. Would be so much better with a simple tightening ring rather than the disco lock.
man, please! May anyone help me? I'm using the original Lumix DMW-FL360L on S5II and S5IIX and when I shot with it attached and turned on, the camera hunts the focus during the shutter moment and the photos are out of focus 50% of the time. Is this a commom issue?
@ thank you so much! I have only this flash but all the cameras had the same behavior. The issue is very like that you showed in the video when the second picture is always out of focus.
Hey, the video is perfect!With perfect timing. It's funny, yesterday I found out this problem on Lumix Facebook group and makes me worried to switch from sony A7iii to Lumix s5iix - love the brand, what they offer to the table, but I'm mainly photographer that shoot proms, club and weddings the most with flash. I reached out to Lumix with this problem even that I don't have Lumix camera yet haha. 100% it's problem with Lumix and small firmware update will solve this. But what I see in this video is fine so far and probably gives me a bit of a headache and I hope that Lumix fix that. I have one question, the westscotts flash have the same problem with backlight? Or it's like godox V1/V1pro?
I made this video knowing it’ll likely appeal to a fairly small audience but I am extremely passionate about flash photography and hope that by making this video Lumix can maybe take note and fix their TTL performance because it’s my only serious problem with their cameras and it’s so frustrating to deal with! As far as using it, yes, it *works* but compared to how easy it is on Canon it’s like night and day, and it’s all something software related, nothing more! Here’s hoping they address the problem. And yes, as far as I can tell there is no way to turn the backlight off on the Jinbei or the Westcott, I dug through both manuals and tried everything but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to turn it off: if I do find out there is a way to do it I’ll put that in a pinned comment though!!!
I hope they will fix it as soon as possible, although they have a smaller market share compared to other brands, but I think that the s5ii is a minor revolution for lumix to get into the subconscious of hybrid users and they will also think about photographic functions even if it is mainly a video company. Love their support through updates and if they can stay in that philosophy? I see Lumix taking over other brands! Thanks for all informations you mentioned!
Saludos, tengo un problema, cuando uso flash no puedo visualizar la exposición en tiempo real, alguien sabe como puedo solucionarlo? Tengo la lumix s5II
Anyone talk about flash photography problems in Lumix S5II and S5IIX. Have anyone noticed any difficulty? Like shutter lag, sync problem, AF problem while using flash accessories?
@@rudermanphoto of course I watched your complete video. I'm asking any other Lumix users and so called RUclipsrs aren't talk about the persistent issue with Lumix cameras especially S5II. The answer is not only to change Focus mode to single from continuous, nearly 40% photos affected with focus issue, shutter lag.
If you shoot in ttl and moving scenes you will notice that the captured image is not the same as you triggered the camera. Easily test it with a periodically blinkin person.
No clue, Panasonic doesn’t make any modern day flashes to try, and I wasn’t interested in buying some ancient 2008 flash to test for the video, but I imagine the performance would be the same.
It is very frustrating! I love my Lumix S5ii for video, but it is not as enjoyable for event photography. I too have the V860iii and deal with the same issue.
I really hope it’s something that can be fixed with firmware!! It makes using the camera for my pro work a bit frustrating but I make do, hopefully something will change lol
It‘s kinda frustrating. I‘ve been sh!tting on Fuji for their subpar AF. Now I learn that Lumix has so many problems of their own: No phase detect AF on higher framerates and no good use of flash. Geez. Maybe I should have went from S5 to the A7IV, instead of S5 II.
In the grand scheme of things the issues with Lumix are hardly comparable to Fuji - the AF is night and day difference and while yes no TTL flash is annoying, using it in manual yields no issues at all with performance. If you went Sony you’d have other problems ;) Grass is always greener!!
17:25 I use Leica SFC1 & Canon 270EXII wich works on the Leica as well as other w/ standard hot shoe & or X utilize automatic thyristor as well. Or M I share Leica & Canon mini flash across Leica Nikon Canon in standard Center pin hot shoe or to radio trigger or lens sync Nikon & Metz work awesome but just not as compact
Great video! I have the V860iii and can confirm that there is a huge and intolerable delay when shooting in TTL mode...!
After I watched this video I immediately tested on my s5ii and godox x2to trigger on ttl and confirmed it. In hindsight I did notice the delay already, but I was using the camera with the phone app as a remote shutter to test Portrait Lighting, so I thought the lag was from how I was triggering the camera. I also had a canon (m50) and also confirmed that this wasn’t an issue on the canon using its respective x2tc trigger. Overall I’m pretty happy with my S5ii so I’m kind of glad I didn’t see this until after I’d already bought it, since I do like using flash, though not in such a fast paced environment like you; but I can see the lag getting old real quick if it causes me to miss a candid moment. Fingers crossed lumix does fix it…because they don’t have their own flash to sell, hopefully they’ll be more cooperative with 3rd party manufacturers on getting a solution out. Great video!
Thank you!
Like I said in the video, switch to manual mode if you need the fastest performance, but that has its own downsides of needing to deal with changing exposure for the environment, but hey it’s what you gotta do I guess.
Hopefully they fix it asap!!!
@ yep. Thankfully I mainly use manual for sit down portraits/headshots anyway
hi, im considering the HD1 due to its compatibility with different camera ssytems, do i need a dedicated jinbei trigger or can i use a godox trigger?
You’ll need a jinbei or westcott trigger, godox will not work with it.
The good news is the Jinbei/westcott triggers work with all cameras just like the flashes :)
1:42 Except that that’s exactly what I wanted for. Otherwise, I have Metz Nikon Canon for full automatic thyristor & M & wireless radio
Does the Jinbei hss work with any brand that you select in the menu or is that only for ttl
Hi im Stephen the wedding photographer from the video, Some more points,
on the Godox V1 i would get banding at the bottom of photos with HSS but at really random SS, and also even without TTL when im below sync speed id get the random banding right at bottom.
Also using the X2T triggers on GOdox had even more shutter delay i maionly shoot with triggers, Jinbei is better in that regard for. On JInbei you cant burst shoot with TTL or HSS you have to sue X-Sync, on Godox you can burst fire but the burst mode is literally a quarter of the speed that it shoudl its really quite bad.
TLDR Lumix basically suck at Flash
great video! what a shame for Lumix having this problem for a while and still no solution ... Having 6 godox flashes and now got X2t trigger for Lumix and after few days of trying to live with this delay I ended up ordering Jingbei
I bought the Westcott FJ80ii M Universal, brand new at the same price as jinbei. I emailed them (Westcott) and I’m was assured as the flash is 100% compatible with Panasonic S5ii. I didn’t had time to test it out as I’ve just received and also I will need to update the flash firmware before using it.
Same delay with my s5II and V350O, sync X3O with V1 and Lux master in TTL mode. This is the reason why I’m using manual mode.
I had a old Olympus flash on my lumix g7 few years back
Great video! For the s5ii for wedding photography which flash and settings would you recommend for the reception? I won't be using burst too much. Thanks!
Manual mode for flash, eye detection OFF, AF-s and move the AF point over the head and you won’t have any issues!
I typically set flash power to around 1/64 and then adjust my ISO to suit, shooting at around 200-800 ISO depending on the lighting
Thanks heaps. Awesome info. Really appreciate you taking the time 🙌
Have you tried disabling rear curtain sync?
I needed this video a month ago 😅 I'm using a Godox tt350o and the recycling time between shots is embarrassingly slow
Sorry, I'm still a beginner..I have a Lumix G9 Pro. Is there any advice on which flash to use?
Just bought the Godox V1 Pro for my Lumix G9. The flash wobbles on the shoe mount even with the locking ring engaged. Went in-store and tested a couple more Godox flash units with the locking ring and they all do the same. Have you had this issue? If so what was the solution?
Yeah that’s a design problem with the V1Pro, it’s why I much prefer the tightening knob of the Jinbei.
That said the regular V1 I felt was a bit more solid on my S5ii.
Despite the slightly loose feeling of it it’s never been an issue in use, and I cannot stand the always on backlight of the Jinbei hence why I still feel the v1Pro is the best option for Lumix.
@@rudermanphoto appreciate the fast response. Yeah loved the flash itself but was left unsettled by how loose it felt on the camera. Would be so much better with a simple tightening ring rather than the disco lock.
man, please! May anyone help me? I'm using the original Lumix DMW-FL360L on S5II and S5IIX and when I shot with it attached and turned on, the camera hunts the focus during the shutter moment and the photos are out of focus 50% of the time. Is this a commom issue?
Same problem with other flashes?
Try turning off subject detection and shooting in AF-s not AF-c
@ thank you so much! I have only this flash but all the cameras had the same behavior. The issue is very like that you showed in the video when the second picture is always out of focus.
@ problem solved in AF-S! Tanks so much!
Hey, the video is perfect!With perfect timing. It's funny, yesterday I found out this problem on Lumix Facebook group and makes me worried to switch from sony A7iii to Lumix s5iix - love the brand, what they offer to the table, but I'm mainly photographer that shoot proms, club and weddings the most with flash. I reached out to Lumix with this problem even that I don't have Lumix camera yet haha. 100% it's problem with Lumix and small firmware update will solve this. But what I see in this video is fine so far and probably gives me a bit of a headache and I hope that Lumix fix that.
I have one question, the westscotts flash have the same problem with backlight? Or it's like godox V1/V1pro?
I made this video knowing it’ll likely appeal to a fairly small audience but I am extremely passionate about flash photography and hope that by making this video Lumix can maybe take note and fix their TTL performance because it’s my only serious problem with their cameras and it’s so frustrating to deal with!
As far as using it, yes, it *works* but compared to how easy it is on Canon it’s like night and day, and it’s all something software related, nothing more!
Here’s hoping they address the problem.
And yes, as far as I can tell there is no way to turn the backlight off on the Jinbei or the Westcott, I dug through both manuals and tried everything but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to turn it off: if I do find out there is a way to do it I’ll put that in a pinned comment though!!!
I hope they will fix it as soon as possible, although they have a smaller market share compared to other brands, but I think that the s5ii is a minor revolution for lumix to get into the subconscious of hybrid users and they will also think about photographic functions even if it is mainly a video company. Love their support through updates and if they can stay in that philosophy? I see Lumix taking over other brands!
Thanks for all informations you mentioned!
@ all we can do is bring the issue to light as much as possible and hope for a resolution!
@@lukasholy8006 this problem have been for years , I guess there is no solution for that ..
Saludos, tengo un problema, cuando uso flash no puedo visualizar la exposición en tiempo real, alguien sabe como puedo solucionarlo?
Tengo la lumix s5II
Anyone talk about flash photography problems in Lumix S5II and S5IIX. Have anyone noticed any difficulty? Like shutter lag, sync problem, AF problem while using flash accessories?
Did you not watch the video?
@@rudermanphoto of course I watched your complete video. I'm asking any other Lumix users and so called RUclipsrs aren't talk about the persistent issue with Lumix cameras especially S5II. The answer is not only to change Focus mode to single from continuous, nearly 40% photos affected with focus issue, shutter lag.
@ don’t shoot in TTL mode, that is the solution. Manual only and turn OFF subject detection + use single shot AF not C-Af for best results
I've never had any problems with my Godox V1 flash and my Lumix S5IIX.
If you shoot in ttl and moving scenes you will notice that the captured image is not the same as you triggered the camera. Easily test it with a periodically blinkin person.
you have had just didnt realized . and It doesnt matter if its TTl or Manual
Does the same thing happen with native flash from Olympus and Panasonic?
No clue, Panasonic doesn’t make any modern day flashes to try, and I wasn’t interested in buying some ancient 2008 flash to test for the video, but I imagine the performance would be the same.
@@rudermanphoto thx bro
I love to listen to your videos dubbed in portuguese lol
It is very frustrating! I love my Lumix S5ii for video, but it is not as enjoyable for event photography. I too have the V860iii and deal with the same issue.
Godox TT685II-O and Godox V860III-O also affected. I own the TT685II-O cause wanted with rechargeable AA batteries.
Unfortunatelly Lumix is silent about this issue and it is present for a while so I assume it is a hardware limitation or other non solvable thing.
I really hope it’s something that can be fixed with firmware!!
It makes using the camera for my pro work a bit frustrating but I make do, hopefully something will change lol
It‘s kinda frustrating. I‘ve been sh!tting on Fuji for their subpar AF. Now I learn that Lumix has so many problems of their own: No phase detect AF on higher framerates and no good use of flash. Geez. Maybe I should have went from S5 to the A7IV, instead of S5 II.
In the grand scheme of things the issues with Lumix are hardly comparable to Fuji - the AF is night and day difference and while yes no TTL flash is annoying, using it in manual yields no issues at all with performance.
If you went Sony you’d have other problems ;)
Grass is always greener!!
17:25 I use Leica SFC1 & Canon 270EXII wich works on the Leica as well as other w/ standard hot shoe & or X utilize automatic thyristor as well. Or M
I share Leica & Canon mini flash across Leica Nikon Canon in standard Center pin hot shoe or to radio trigger or lens sync Nikon & Metz work awesome but just not as compact
I gave up with my Godox TT350 on my S5II. Sync issue is so annoying. I'm not paying £200+ for used Panasonic flash.
Doubt the Panasonic flash would be any better anyway lol
shutter delay must be addressed by lumix! It is soooooooo annoying