JonTron Controversy And How I Escaped My GamerBro Mentality
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- V-TUBER INTERVIEW: Destiny talks about the JonTron controversy, escaping the gamerbro mentality, changing his positions, emotional development, online politics and more...
Date - 7 April, 2021
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0:00 - Teaser/Intro
1:20 - Destiny's discord volume movement
5:03 - Being a streamer before streaming
14:36 - Meritocracy, paying own tuition, dropping out, getting fired
34:37 - JonTron controversy
37:09 - The rise of atheists and the anti-SJW movement
40:56 - Former gamerbro opinions and evolving views
44:14 - My Gamerbro redpill moment
48:50 - Current positions that gets the most push back
51:57 - Corporate lobbying stance change and ongoing uncertainty
59:37 - Advice/warning for exploring open relationships
1:04:56 - Destiny's stages of emotional development
1:12:17 - Advice for wannabe debatelords
1:15:37 - Debate/panel addiction, being corrected, political labels
1:19:22 - Online politics is cancer, cancel culture & anonymity
1:21:41 - Charity and canvassing
1:23:03 - Israel and Palestine
1:25:49 - Changing views on Hilary Clinton
#Destiny
#JonTron
A lot of interesting questions, topics and lore. Super enjoyable interview from Eris (links & timestamps in description). Too bad she's a V-Tuber though...
If you haven't checked out Destiny's infamous JonTron debate ►ruclips.net/video/6RQA9GZprqM/видео.html
_Reserving first reply spot until I think of something to say..._
Please tell Destiny to use his v-tuber form when chatting with other vtubers.
Bro you should just reupload the Jontron debate as one of those revisited videos, it would make his fans so mad
You haven't seen the worst of the V-TUBERS
"Destiny is a very very very small streamer" - boom! Straight out of the gate with the height-ism.
Destiny debating Jon Tron was the first exposure I ever had to Destiny. Great times.
Down the rabbit hole we go. Debates with Sargon, JF, NakedApe, Metokur, Warski. You name it. What a timeline.
I kinda miss destiny shitting on conservatives
@@joel-yd1rv nowadays they just do it themselves...
@@pandemicapu3912 rent free baybee
The good old days
Why’s this Destiny girl talking to this middle aged Eris guy
I keep seeing this meme but idk the origin story. Still makes me breathe a quick gust out my nose.
@@widjadija Destiny is a girls name
Destiny? that's a non-binary person's name
@@aa898246 Lol I understand that, but is there some point where the meme started as someone actually expecting Destiny to be a girl, or is it just the fact that it’s a girl’s name?
@@floridamainn104 ah, with the few short clips I’ve seen of Jesse Lee Peterson that makes so much sense
"Make them change their microphone. Make them change their volume."
How could you say something so controversial, yet so brave?
Isn't saying controversial things always brave? At least if you believe what your saying..... and it doesn't directly benefit you over others... and understands that it's controversial....
@@rep-vile o.o Chill. Bring your aimless hate somewhere more important, and worth getting upset over.
Furry
@@rep-vile Hold on, there's no classism here because the solution to 90% of garbage streamer audio is just backing off the gain a little.
There's probably a good reason to have sliders for individual people in a group call situation but that shit should be hidden *deep*.
Everyone think they are a fucking sound engineer as soon as they see the sliders and 99% of the time they fuck it up.
"Inbred? No, in bread. They're wrapped up in a sandwich of stupidity."
"Oh, okay. You've got me there."
Destiny dad joke(tm)
"What are you ? "
"An idiot sandwich"
To me, the JonTron debate was the one that started it all for me.
For most of us I think
Me to
The 1v5 with Tonkasaw and all the others was it for me. I used to be right leaning until I watched that and realized how fucking stupid those people all were. I'd probably still be a reactionary dipshit if it wasn't for me stumbling across that debate. I went in completely hating destiny and left questioning all my beliefs. That's so crazy to me
@@lurker7808 what shouldve been the biggest red flag was NoBullshit and Lauren Southern. Man, the pipeline was a dangerous place to be.
@@pandemicapu3912 Lol
Dude eris is a really good interviewer imo. Very personable, understands boundaries, and she asks really good questions. Good ups
For real. I enjoyed her questions and her back and forth with pizza man a lot
agreed, hope she does more of these
Unfortunately, Destiny is so paranoid of bigging himself up that he tends to be bad at talking about his own life.
She could teach the Washington Press Corp a thing or two
Agreed! I was very surprised.
destiny the #1 cuban american runescape streamer
#makeTHEMchangeTHEIRvolume
Also the #1 nonbinary runescape streamer
watchu mean homie
Old school runescspe
destiny the #1 pansexual transgender latino runescape streamer
It was BAFFLING to me how many people tried to defend JonTron after the debate, or accused Destiny of "tricking" him into saying racist things. Destiny gave him so many chances to explain himself and every time JonTron doubled down on parroting poorly-though arguments rooted in xenophobia.
An ironic xenophobia as well, he wouldn't be in the u.s if not for his immigrant family.
That's it. I declare Xenophobia to be the new buzzword for the next few years.
@@WanderTheNomad How is it a buzzword when Jontron's arguments were all "I'm afraid people with different cultures are going to move into my country and destroy my culture"? He demonstrated an irrational fear of a foreign thing, that's the actual definition of the word xenophobia.
@@larsu-gx579 Being a buzzword doesn't inherently mean that people are using the word wrong. These buzzwords generally start off with being used correctly. It just tends to end up being used wrong, generalized, etc, the longer it becomes a buzzword and the more that people use it.
My comment was more predicting that the word xenophobia will end up that way in the future, rather than saying that it is currently a buzzword.
@@pandemicapu3912 If you think Destiny did a poor job of debunking Jontron's points then you should hop on his stream and debate him
Other youtubers: My Truth
Destiny: My manifesto
Hitler: Mein Kampf
SpongeBob Fish after tragic accident: MY LEG
Destiny talking with Vtuber sensation Eris. Such a charitable young lady.
with no expressions
The scariest thing about that johntron debate is that he went back to business as usual and his fans (who I assume are pretty young) defended him so hard. He said the most crazy shit in that debate and it just sucks to see his fans not know what they were defending.
I remember that debate and just blindly believed sargon that destiny just cornered him into stuff he didn't wanna say and defended jon tron cause I thought he was just right leaning and not totally crazy. I think a lot of people fell down that lie like I did
Yep the cope line was "Destiny used debate tactics to make him say stuff he doesn't believe" or "He was nervous and just said it wrong".
That's not entirely true, he used to have a video up where he tried to back peddle his views, where the comment section was filled with people calling him out.
@@pandemicapu3912 lmao you're definitely not smart enough to comprehend anything in that vid if you don't think he said anything wrong also jon get off you're alt account
@@pandemicapu3912 ffs I just saw youtube deleted my reply, one of the things he said was "poor white people commit less crime than wealthy black people"
SomeBlackGuy's response video to the debate was the most painful thing i have seen. He knew that what Jon said was completely indefensible so he instead tried to talk shit on Destiny. Completely ignoring the comment Jon made about the "Gene Pool". That guy is a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian
I used to watch SomeBlackGuy back in the days before I was political and I remember that his video about the Gillette ad was so fucking bad that I just ended up unsubscribing. He is like a no thoughts, head empty kind of guy
Ok apu
@@pandemicapu3912 god, you're so white
@@pandemicapu3912 trawling the comment section replying to anyone critical of jontron, please seek employment
@@ofanichan Tbf that Gilette ad was pretty trash
39:10 "i think it's good to show growth"
a foreign concept on the internet lol. didn't you know when you do something "bad" you remain the exact same person as you once were until you publicly repent all sins
Then they forget week max
Okay, i did not know you knew destiny lol
Even if you publicly repent you still wont be forgiven. We like to think we're enlightened but we're all still medieval as fuck
@@signoguns8501 true. and ye nothing has changed. the same people that participated in Salem witch burnings hundreds of years ago are the exact same people that participate in cancelling others today
only difference is your life is spared (for now) but with the possibility of having the entire world trying to tear you down
It's not about repenting all sins, just about saying sorry if you need to and moving forward in good faith. Why do people make out like you're being nailed to a cross. Relax, say sorry if you gotta and be normal. Jeez
The Steps to Maintain Your Gamer Identity: One, be offended by everything but claim to be offended by nothing. Two, Double Down when others point out you're being an asshole. Three, grift hard on those who give you dollars.
Four- Hate women epically
@@spicylemon6255 Hate women and minorities*
“I fucking hate V-tubers”
*Sometime later*
V-tuber destiny, having interviews with v-tubers.
🤷♂️
Have you considered you just hate idol culture?
@@dynamicworlds1 he hates it because its trash lol
@@dynamicworlds1 lol its just trash😂
@Frank Marano ah yes, because everyone wants to show their real face when they're doing political commentary that will draw hate from fascists, especially when it will lead to a long line of comments about their body and makeup if their appearance isn't absolutely perfect on a stream where the camera can pick up every blemish (if not every pore). Maybe you would, but there are reasons people don't want to.
But sure, we could alternatively leave the Vtube fandom to be coopted by the fascists by being wierd and gatekeeping about the aestetic. That's an option, I guess. 😑
@Frank Marano seems I misread a tone into your comment that you didn't intend. I'll own that. My bad.
Damn, destiny talking about his high level of emotional detachment and the problems it creates dealing with normal emotional people is like exactly what my life is like. Shit I literally thought everybody was faking their emotions well into my 20's, that it was just this social theater we all played and I was as good at playing it as anybody.
man the banter between eris and destiny was super funny. best interview of destiny ive seen
HE WON THE BANTZ EVERYTIME
Listening to this intro on my phone, heard him talking about runescape, thought he was memeing and trolling about his lifestyle, switched to pc later and he's actually doing it.
the mad man.
This has to be the best interview Destiny ever had, Eris asks really good questions and actually asked personal questions that most interviewers avoid despite Destiny being very open about personal questions.
Destiny almost said "Sargon of a Tard" 34:51
Destiny is now debating anime characters
Top 10 anime crossovers.
I’m stoked that you’re playing runescape
Right in my feed
luv ur pfp
@@golfwang425 luv ur pfp
@@happymolecule8894 luv ur pfp
@@leastsanenousagi7733 luv ur pfp
Never heard of her but she sounds chill as hell. Almost want to see the real person behind that personality but cool with what I heard. Looks like she is new to YT but I subbed to see where it goes.
Thank you!
@@Eristocracy your new pic cute and all, but I'll never forget the Anna Karina avi
Seeing Ethan in the thumb nail of a destiny video tripped me out haha
Girl: "Yeah, there's a guy I used to watch online named Jontron, but then he stopped..."
Destiny: "Yeah, I'm the reason he stopped..."
Nope
@@Drench3 triggered
@@ThePainkiller9995 he's makes content and gets on trending what the fuck are you talking about?
Also triggered is cringe even ironically. Do better.
@@neonwallacewells7818 Cringed Triggered
Listen. It don't matter. JonTron fucked up. It happens. He backed off. Stopped talking politics. Moved on with his craft. Lol
its insane that internet politics basically went
atheism -> anti sjw -> Christian conservative
we went forward then right back to where we started in almost no time at all
I dont consider "anti-sjw" to be "going forward" when it literally set us back MASSIVELY, so...
In my opinion, no single personality has changed online discourse for the better, than Steven.
Online discourse has been changed by censorship, it's an echo chamber, the right wing has been removed off RUclips, at least the good ones that debate, what's left for the right wing is ppl like Crowder which ppl who take politics seriously think he's a joke. Online discourse has not changed, the algorithm has.
@@Willowtree82 weirdly enough I think milo was smart enough to eventually contend with more intellectual topics than the other people in his little goon crew of knock offs. I think his discussion with destiny more or less proves that.
But I’m the other hand he seems like a shifty person and more importantly had no incentives to use his brain in more useful ways until after the mass deplatforming. So basically the only way for him to be even serviceable as an online intellectual figure was to bully him offline. Funny how life works.
@@Willowtree82 ok...
Cyber Vent who was the best right wing youtuber and what was he/she (she lol)
Removed for?
@@Willowtree82 The right wingers who do occasionally debate like Mark Collett, Eric Striker, Mike Peinovich, Vincent James, etc. can still debate people on RUclips. It is true that they have been censored off the platform but they can and do appear on debate channels and the videos do not get taken down just because they are on them.
Loved this! Eris’s voice is so nice to listen to
So pumped to see destiny's runescape progress
The fact that Jontron's videos still get millions of views and no one remembers this debate is proof that cancel culture outrage is fucking stupid.
Cancel culture outrage is more outraged for people who unjustifiably lose their jobs because people complained to their employer about false things and they got fired. Obviously people who are self employed like Jontron aren’t going to fire themselves...
Yeah it was used to hold powerful people accountable at first but mutated into a bastardized version of itself that targeted people who already have almost no power. Especially when it’s ideals are pushed so far that even the marginalized members of its own community are tarred and feathered for not towing the line perfectly when their only really support group was the people tarring them. Contrapoints has a great video on it.
@@Kraator57 that's bad but it's still exceedingly rare. 99% of people who think cancel culture is this big important issue for society do not personally know anyone who has been "cancelled", and base their opinions on either celebrities being pseudo-cancelled, or some of a much smaller number of cases of some normal person getting publicly shamed over something petty and losing their job for it.
@@krombopulos_michael
No it’s a thing.
It effects regular people who’s lives get upended
Fortunately there are enough people calling it out to help some of them
It also is potentially creating a climate where people self censor to a high degree to avoid social retaliation.
But go on speak your power to truth.
@@cf6713 People self censor to avoid social retaliation anyway. This isn't a new thing.
I got a dutch "blue movement" advert right when Destiny said he would start a movement.
Wtf, most apt advertisement placement ever.
Really messed with me for a sec.
Back when Destiny debated Jontron, I was like “Destiny? That’s a girl’s name”.
Now I’m like “Jontron? That’s a racists name.”
You like your Daddy 50% and your Momma 50%? So, you're 50% man 50% woman?
Do you love gaming people?
We should all be more like Destiny. Even when I disagree with him, he has a lot of traits that I would like to have and would like people I engage with to have. I think we would all have better conversations.
Jontron debate was my first exposure to destiny and funny enough it actually made me resent him because i was such a fan of jontron. However, somewhat recently i revisited that video and realized jontron was kinda crazy and destiny did nothing wrong.
I really liked JonTron both on Game Grumps and his own channel before that, to the point where I thought his videos were some of the most consistently great stuff on the site. After the Destiny video though I just completely dropped him. Could not view him as this funny likeable guy anymore after all that super racist stuff. I still haven't watched a JonTron video since then. I think he's still making them and they're still popular but I just have no interest anymore.
@@pandemicapu3912 he was literally citing fake statistics
@@pandemicapu3912 "If you unreasonably parse out his argument to the things he literally said" lol
No one is denying a skew in crime by race. The contention comes from the conclusions and prescriptions people try to draw from those stats.
That is people who are at least smart enough to not cite /pol memes, unlike Jon Tron
@@JM-tj5qm same i cant watch his content anymore cause its always in the back of my head what a tard he is
@@krombopulos_michael remove the art from the artist if you will. I was never really the one to put people on the pedestal so I still really liked jontrons videos and watched them, imo the guy is an idiot that got swept up with the alt-right from being exposed to 4chan for too long. Sam Hyde on the other hand is legitimately a white ethno nationalist, shame because his humor is great but yea that dude is hardcore racist.
The JonTron debate was the first Destiny video I ever saw and it helped de-radicalize me. And the whole $5 an hour thing at McDonalds is crazy, I was making somewhere like $16-17 an hour at like 16 years of age working at a KFC, but then again Australia doesn't exist so maybe it was a fever dream.
Does Australia not have different min wages based on age. In the UK a few years ago when I started working at 16 I got £4.11 working in retail even though the older workers who did less work and barely tried got £7 or 8 just for being over 21
@@Bjarku so? That's a huge segment of people. Like any popular political group or movement will have a core of hardcore ideologues who kind of guide the conversation and direction of the group, and then a load of people who are basically just normies who joined in because the beliefs of the group seem to make sense to them without really having the time to devote to thinking about it. That larger group might be able to be swayed away, but they still grant legitimacy by their size and tolerance of the ideology.
@@Bjarku Haha nice dude, I mean I can't prove to you I was an alt righter only a couple years back. It isn't like I snapped out of it right away that is not how it works, the debate came up in my recommended and I sat through from start to finish seeing some of the ideas I held being dismantled so elegantly. It did not happen over night but it was a seed being planted that I am grateful for. Slowly after that I just started to re-asses my belief structure. And for the sake of stating it I am not left wing I am mostly liberal.
If you have any legit comments you want to add or ask go for it, I am not afraid to speak about the ideas I used to hold but you seem kind of angry right now so take some time to cool off big guy.
@@MrKiingpin Yeah we do, wages vary obviously from employment to employment. The national minimum wage is $19.84 for people 21 years and older. I only worked at KFC for like a year and I made some really good money because of it. I cannot begin to imagine people in a 1st world country making $5 an hour and trying to survive on that, that is so ridiculous.
One of the best interviews of destiny I've seen, she just sorta wound him up and let him go. Especially that casino story, SO many other interviewers wouldn't have chased that because they wanted to get back onto whatever track they wanted the conversation to run on, but as a viewer I'm always like "damn wait I'm so curious." Eris actually asked what we wanted to hear. Good job! Maybe these V-tubers deserve rights after all
Thank you for such a kind comment!
@@Eristocracy the legend herself??
Keep it up bb
Destiny RUNESCAPE WTF
RIGHT INTO MY FEED
Was just watching the jontron debate. Amazing timing
Wow a break from the debates, I would have never guessed.
8:12 my god thats a throwback. I used to record my first minecraft lets plays with the test version of camtasia studio 7.
The jontron debate was with me, like many, my first exposure to Destiny. Like many others, Destiny's debate with jontron was the beginning of a path to properly rationalizing my political positions.
P.S: I really like Eris and her content, I'm glad Destiny got on to talk with her. About to watch and see how this goes.
It was the Journey into XJ9 that sealed it for me.
She is really great at interviewing. Has confidence and can banter with the guests. Really like her .
I love how the editor edits the cursing in the first few mins then just says screw it and the rest is unedited
It is less likely to be flagged for offensive content if there isn't cursing early on, but the filter doesn't go too far into the video to scan for profanity.
@@Miatalustrium makes sense.
I feel the way Destiny talks about corporate finance misses what the actual problem is. It's not that corporations just have complete power over people and can pass the most unpopular bills. Corporations just are able to get far more bills heard that match their interests than people and that leads to outcomes that disproportionately benefit them, because bills that are just popular with people need a lot more behind them to get off the ground. That still seems like a significant problem even if corporations aren't passing wildly unpopular bills.
I also feel the way Destiny talks about the two party system misses what the actual problem is. Yes, no system in politics is perfect, but the scale of the problem is completely different. A two party system decentivizes change, reduces views/goals available to vote for and it limits choice in dire situations when you're choosing between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton... Sure, you can get some shitty situations but at least there's change/strong political discourse happening in parliament, and more importantly, at least there's more alternatives to look for in periods of stagnation. Destiny seems like the type of person who embraces debate, argument and the change of opinion through discourse. A two party system devalues that whilst multiple parties embrace it.
One issue I have with Destiny himself however is how he focused on the people within the argument rather than the argument itself. Just because idiots believe something, or your only experience with something is through idiots, doesn't mean that perspective is devalued. I'm not socialist, and sure, a lot of socialists don't understand the economy in the slightest, but there are also people who've spent years studying politics and economics AND support socialism. Just because your only experience with debating socialism is with idiots, doesn't mean all of socialism is illogical. And same with the diversity in media argument. I'm left, understand that diversity in media isn't always political BUT am largely opposed to the forced diversity/social political intent seen in modern entertainment. Just because there are plenty of racists within the ranks, doesn't mean the argument itself is devalued. Same as with the pro-diversity stance; Just because there are a lot of SJW's who want to eradicate white people in entertainment, doesn't mean that diversity isn't something needed within our entertainment. The worst and most extreme people are attracted to the 'side' closest to their beliefs. They're also *significantly* more vocal than everybody else is. He should be more aware/understanding of these people than using them to decide which 'side' is right.
@@pagatryx5451 In terms of the two party system, I completely agree. Destiny talks a lot about getting people out to vote, so he should know better than anyone that a large reason for people not voting is disenfranchisement. Something like ranked voter choice would help immensely with that, or we could do a general runoff election. The two party system definitely limits political discourse and general creativity in finding new options to deal with the problems of today.
I also completely agree with what you are saying in the second point as well. I remember there was a point in time where Destiny was telling Peachachoo that no one important in academia were marxists, which is just insane. Like Destiny often says the socialists he debates are too stupid to get him to read theory, but that seems like it should be a great reason to read theory. The people you are debating aren't representing the ideas well, and there are places where they are formed in a much more robust and logical way. I'm a socialist, but I still tend to agree with Destiny far more than the socialists they debate, because I don't feel like they represent those ideas well at all.
Idk about diversity in media. I agree that it can be done in poor taste, but you can make shitty shows that don't have diversity as well. I don't support making it hamfisted, but it seems like a lot of the concerns surrounding it are really just dog whistles. Not everyone, but this doesn't seem like a larger problem than just making bad media, which any reasonable person is already against.
I do get your broader point here though and agree. It does seem like a lot of Destiny's beliefs are formed by people who he argues with on stream, and Twitch seems to almost cherrypick dumb extremists. There can be a lot learned if you attempt to reconstruct people's argument in the most charitable way rather than trying to win an argument. That's another issue I have with Destiny. He often says he is just interested in the ideas someone has, but he does things that make it much more difficult to express the ideas with clarity. Like when he turns debates into shouting matches or just assumes people are acting in bad faith. That makes people far more guarded when explaining themselves, which makes the discussion of ideas far worse. I largely agree with you assessment here, so hopefully it's something that gets better with time (I'm not too optimistic though lol).
He relies on personal attacks a lot and obviously thinks very highly of himself
all you have to do is stop complaining about it and start stop consuming. nobody force you to work or buy at the McDonald
I was a subscriber before the Jontron debate but man did that debate make me start to question some of the people i was subscribed to.
a true never-meet-your-heroes moment
THANK YOU for being very honest about everything! I'm starting to lose hope in the internet, because everyone claims to be so virtuous while having nothing to show for why I should care. You're like a model for what I strive to be. Cut right through peoples bullshit and don't let their feeling affect you and such...
This was a really good interview
Man that was a nostalgia hit for me. I remember posting on TeamLiquid and trying to get clout just to be able to get my SC2 stream up on the featured list... Good fuckin times man.
Destiny is right, don't watch debates to inform yourself. They're for entertainment and potentially other perspectives. At least that's what I've experienced 🤷♀️
How do you inform yourself
34:40 jontron
Thank you
Into the feed.
Great conversation. This Eris person is pretty cool
i try so hard
Is there a part of you that's like oh its my ego?
Destiny: no
Almost every person who has had a conversation with Destiny: yeah it definitely comes across as ego
I'm 20 minutes in and I just noticed she has one of those virtual characters as her person on camera
personally, I like coalitions in my country. A coalition government in Australia holds second place for the most amount of bills passed in a term I believe so the efficiency argument doesn't really work here. I do conscede that unimportant parties can gain disproportionate power in theory but in practice, at least in Australia, pretty much every party will form coalitions if they can get power.
Destiny saying not to adjust a persons volume on discord was probably the most based thing ever heard come from him.
Isn't the problem with media bias that 99% of people DON'T go out and read shit? I mean, evidently this is a problem, right? We're still tackling with whether climate change is real/an issue.
It seems like addressing media bias seems like a more reliable way to educate people, rather than relying on them to give themselves an honest education.
That jontron debate did so much good!
Ah she was nice. Good interview skills. Interesting questions. Kept it rolling. Good job! I loved her ability to roll with the sarcasm
Thank you!
jontron controversy, tr GODSTINY
A very good conversation.
I learned a lot from this video
algorithm engagement
Don’t look at me like that OwO
it always feels so weird when people talk about 2010 as like the dawn of the internet when even broadband had been around for like 10 years at that point
The apology tour is a Canadian tradition!
Destiny has a good exchange of memes and serious discussion with a vtuber of all things.
to be fair, the vtuber mentioned being worried of threats so she has to go anonymous
The Vlogbrothers were huge in 2010.
"Pretty soon you will have a substitute for all real emotions" lmao
18:44 when he says “one hundred percent.” he should’ve played the Dan clip lol
I think multi party systems are better than two party just because they more explicitly show who has the most power in coalitions. In two party systems, there is so much dispute over where parties should be and who should be leading because its hard to define to what degree each faction represents the overall population best. If you have a 3 party coalition where one party has 60 seats, another has 20, and the third has 5, its very clear that the 60 seat party is the more popular one and has the mandate to lead the coalition. The 5 seat party will probably weild slightly outsized power of they're needed to keep the majority together (like Manchin in the Senate), but they will also know that if they really push it too far, they can be replaced with another small party or group of independents, while the bigger ones cannot.
The story about getting fired from the casino actually illustrates very well the core of why Destiny is so disliked broadly.
He is incapable of tempering his language to navigate social spaces without creating animosity. He assumes he is correct and that the people around him should have no bearing on how he exists in a social space.
In any other profession, Destiny would likely not remain hired anywhere for very long, and his ability to function as an Internet personality only exists because he doesn’t have to navigate management.
Poetic
It was interesting to hear Destiny's opinion on two party system. Even though I think I disagree with him I do agree with some of his criticisms of coalition governments. It would be interesting to hear his opinion on US's voting system (first past the post) compared to other versions. I feel like it is this choice that imo creates unnecessary forcing towards a two party system. In a lot of countries without this system a lot of the time parties mostly automatically slide towards hybrid two party systems either way but it still keeps the possibility of more parties more open than in the US, if the citizens at some point feel the need to more parties. But I would be open to changing my mind on this. Maybe Destiny already has expressed his position on this, I am not a big Destiny viewer at all and only just recently started watching a bit more of him.
FPTP in America makes the two-party system mathematically inevitable. America would still have a two-party system regardless if the nation were to merely stray from a winner-takes-all voting system doomed to such ends by Duverger's Law. The reason why is because of the schism between the capitalist class and the working class in America and how this relates to political power. There's tremendous financial control over the political sphere which is in my opinion the most causal force for America's two party system. This comes in multiple forms such as campaign finance, the lobbying influence on legislation, or the media oligopoly that controls the narrative on any meaningful candidate.
Love the bird sound effects
I loved when Destiny used his v tube thing. When it gets mad I'm rolling
i really liked jontron up until he got into that alt-right shit, i can't watch someone i've lost that much respect for. he still hints at things occasionally and it's just as embarrassing now as it was in 2016 or whatever
did you see his twitter the day biden was elected president? he tweeted like "they cheated" or something, he's just petty.
Urgh yeah, people who arrive at opinions different to me trigger me so much. I go full NPC meme face.
Jontron really fell down the rabbit hole.
The bit about anonymity toward the end, it's really a mixture between anonymity and identity. Destiny doesn't exist with anonymity, but neither does Sargon.
The cults of personality lead the charge, and the anons carry out the actions. If you took away anonymity, it would just diffuse responsibility and lead to people climbing over each other like they already do with things like virtue signaling and clout chasing, neither of which really exist with anonymity. Conversely, if you made everyone anonymous, you get more of a focus on the ideas but don't get accountability, like the Internet was before social media was its centerpiece, leading to something that's probably a much richer experience but also much less culturally accessible because of all the offensive or weird things & it being harder to find repositories of ideas and their evolution/counterpoints without them being tied to personalities.
I like how you and the other streamer eris play with each other.
This was actually super interesting
Now's the time to drop a piano soundtrack
Yeah the JonTron stuff was the start of it. Glad to be here now 😎🤙
It's pathetic you are a paying member
@@zm5668 I also pay for Disney+, Netflix, and video games. ALSO you’re just a grey name
@@zm5668 poor malding PepeLaugh
@@wisetrollman I mean rich people pay for lots of unnecessary shit so I guess is not that crazy
20:12
I did something like that at a previous job, and at first they weren't even using the spreadsheet. I was like why are you spending 30 minutes on that when you could just spend 5 minutes inputting numbers into a spreadsheet and be done with it?
We eventually got a manager in the store that handled that, and she did use the spreadsheet, so I was very happy about that. There's always something so satisfying about applying the shit you learn in video games into the real world and getting good results. Thanks Eve Online.
Very competent interviewer, great job!
How many Erises (is that the plural of Eris?) does destiny knows ? I have no clue who is who at this point.
They are all the same person with different wigs on
Eri?
Greetings from somewhere!
next April Fools Day we need Destiny's "my truth" video
Literally the last 3 seconds was the best part
this interview had no right being this interesting
I was baited by the cover.
cool vid, gonna go watch some jontronshow now
Hey August, Eris' Twitch link in the description is broken
You've been such a positive influence on changing gaming culture, including deradicalizing me from the far left. ✌💖
Legit sammmmmmme
Do u mean being a stalin defender or a vaush fan?
@@JM-tj5qm you’ll grow out of it
@@JM-tj5qm average vaush vidya fan vs average stalin enjoyer
Destiny made you pro-capitalism? That is unbased, my friend
51:17 Yeahh Destiny is right: he really is uninformed when it comes to governments formed by coalitions.
He should look into how coalitions are formed, because it's not like the small green party with 4 seats is gonna govern with some big right-wing party. In a coalition agreements are made beforehand in strong negotiations and the political interests of each party in a coalition are pretty much aligned.
And no one is claiming this form of government is the ''silver bullet'' or something: people are simply claiming these kind of governments are more democratic and are therefore ''better'', even if it's just slightly more democratic, it's still better. That's the point.
Two-party systems are inferior. Period.
good stuff
"You'd be surprised how many people still use 1080p screens"
Ay bro wait dont call me out like that.
WTF Destiny's coworker was fired for calling in sick?! Is that a thing in the US?!
Yes
Wait they can’t fire you for that in other countries? That actually sounds awful.
Most the time my coworkers call in sick they are lying and I know it. It’s really frustrating. Maybe if you get a doctors excuse but like whenever I call in sick the doctors visit for the more is too expensive to be worth attempting to get it.
@@bigboy2217 in most countries you get a certain number of allocated sick days per year. Some people do lie to use them up, but most don't. Generally if you are going to be out a few days in a row or exceed the annual allowance then you do need a doctors note though.
@@bigboy2217 I mean the fact you can't just get a doctor's note without paying is probably why no one does when they feel sick. If I feel sick for a longer period in the UK I just go to my GP and get a note for free in like 10 mins, otherwise if it's just randomly feeling ill I'll just call in sick. In fact my work explicitly says not to come in if you're sick since it just gives other people your cold/flu/etc so it just wastes productivity. They're more likely to send you home than to ask you to come in. And that's like 100x more likely at a food place where you serve customers.
So if I understand correctly, the American system makes people come in when they're sick for fear of losing their job and healthcare which will make them sicker, forcing them to sicken other workers and clients. Sounds like a shit system but we all know that, you're just trying to be edgy and shit on your coworkers. Sounds like Stockholm syndrome to me my dude.
yes, but it's more common for entry-level jobs. i've been let go from a couple factory jobs for that. i really don't think they'd fire a doctor for calling in sick once.
She debates Holocaust revisionists? Damn. 👍
Omg, Destiny's playing runescape. Good choice man!
steven gets anxious at the weiredst of times... I love that tho unique n intriguing