@@powercore2000 iiiiuiiiii t shirt and again I won't be true to the the severe person to the office and again I think It won't be able to the office again I think I won't
One major question is, WHAT IS RACE? What is black? What is white? Especially in USA. Are these IQ tests regional? Who created these IQ tests and where were they administered to get the data on the different races?
idk why Nick doesn't just say "I'll concede this wasn't explicitly bad faith if you concede that it was an irresponsible way to introduce my thoughts and myself to people I don't know" The Trump style of debate of giving no ground works on a stage, but not in an argument between (bestest) friends
I thought it was funny how Fuentes pulled a trump by just throwing a person he signed off under the bus instead of taking responsibility and/or taking actions to resolve problems in his platform.
@@tandaiff422 I mean sure, he signed off on the guy being on his platform, but it's not like he necessarily knew when he signed off that this guy was going try to get people deplatformed. He's not very good at communicating the things he believes or what he means in many cases.
Why criticize Nick for his view that racial disparities in IQ are genetically determined when you acknowledge that this may be true and you haven’t done enough research to come to a definitive conclusion on that question?
@@STEELGMBL No, it’s not. You can take a child with 2 low iq parents and with the right education they will be high iq. And vice versa you can take a child with 2 high iq parents and put them in public school throughout their entire life and they will be average. It’s like when people say obesity is genetic, it’s the behavior that’s generally passed down.
I'm from Pakistan and i dare to admit that race realism is real. Humans can have all kind of variety in colour, stature, physical strength but everyone has the same intelligence??? Variety within a specie is the fodder for natural selection to cull out the disadvantaged one's. However , human evolution has graduated from the natural selection to active upgradation by human body by humans themselves, future humans will incorporate electronics and mechanical systems in the very organic human body. Now, humans should not left anyone behind, we shouldn't be left to the cruel mechanitions of natural selection. STERILISATION IS WRONG.
@@jackdaw6359 the insult is more that it's clear to anyone that has experience with people that are gay (even before they ever acted upon it, sometimes before they admitted it to themselves) that nick is gay. It's his nature, and he is denying it. That's the insulting part.
@@nomoresunforever3695 I don't pretend to know the mind of Nick or anyone. He seems more incel type. And although incels definitely won't be marrying any time soon I highly doubt that they are gay just because they hate women.
Nick was being bad faith that entire conversation, he couldn't accurately summarize a single point that he listened to. It's like the words went in one ear and out the other, and then he threw something Destiny never said back at him. I get why I hate listening to this smarmy weirdo so much now and it's because Nick argues exactly like Vaush does.
@@molewizard I'm not Destiny tho, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't read the youtube comments on his videos(and especially not replies to youtube comments). I've only seen him read reddit posts, twitter posts, and stream chat messages.
1:11:40 There are *HUNDREDS* of genes that control height not ONE, each with a tiny effect size on the overall final phenotype (in that case adult height) How do we know? GWAS and Mendelian randomization. Height is highly genetic.
@@natem.6280 To use Bayesian probability as destiny says(lol) you could say that with a good probability that if u picked out 100 people from Europe and 100 People from Asia, 10 times, The europans would be taller Most of the time. I mean some one would have to do the experiment but 8/10? Also the question was that is height ad polygenetic as iq, and yes it is. It seems like its highly cannot be alternated. The difference between races are more concentrated on the average, a lower end European will NOT be as short as a loeer end Asian.
@@Ufhhh12 this stuff is so self evident that the only reason people deny it is because they don’t like the conclusions or how it makes you feel. If IQ is the best predictor of success in an individual’s life then the average IQ of a nation would also track with the nation’s success. If IQ’s were not heritable and were random then all races would have the same IQ’s. Therefore IQ’s cannot be random because different Nation’s have different IQ’s. Because it’s not random it must be caused by something and the only two options are heredity and environment. Multiracial countries show that given similar environments different races perform differently which suggests it’s mostly genetic. Genetics probably give people their IQ ceiling and their environment determines if they reach their potential.
I LOVE listening to these two talk. I sincerely think listening to these two talk TOGETHER can help A LOT of people. Help them make better sense of their own thoughts, help them learn how to be critical, facilitate their de-radicalization. These two together is good for the space
@@Twister-V1 there's literally white nationalists and nazis in destiny's youtube community since he started buttfucking Fuentes and simping for Southern
@01:08:30 Guitars actually used to be considered feminine instruments because they’re much smaller and easier to hold. Back when classical music was popular, men gravitated towards piano and other large instruments. Women were pushed towards guitars because it allowed them to play music without “compromising their femininity”. Guitar-playing *became* masculinized and marketed towards men in the 20th century when it became too expensive and impractical to own a piano. And of course, media centered around male rock stars, which further aligned the guitar with men. So, young boys eventually dominated the activity. Conversely, piano became more feminized. Violin still seems to be more gender neutral, but I see a lot of girls playing that instrument too. Long story short, a lot of these things are due to socialization, media, and economic coincidence.
As another male Nick, I'm comfortable saying that Nick is more of a girl's name than Mr. Girl, primarily due to the "Mr." part. But, Destiny is definitely a girl's name, as was revealed by the most entertaining Peterson on the Internet, Jesse Lee Harvey Oswald Peterson.
@@nrein89 transexuals dont count. so as a male, your name is indeed more of a girl ,and thus all other opinions of you that other peoples name is girl is made up out of nothing. so yeah you got nothing, while the rest does. its like a transexual stripper destiny is the name, so s mr girl. i guess neo nazis like you can relate
I just keep thinking back to when Destiny said one of the groypers said that you made Nick seem more human. Because now he just sounds like the politicians he rallies against with the non answers, talking long so we forget what the original question was etc...
He thinks white supremacists insist on whites being better, irrationally. Nick happens to “know” the truth that people are genetically different and Whites are proven to be culturally superior. He’s not racist he’s being realistic. I think that’s what he would say
the disconnect is nick thinks what’s “bad faith” is destiny inherently trying to make Nick look bad, whereas destiny understands it as outwardly lying or misrepresenting someone and their positions, which Nick would say he’s doing, but can’t be true if Destiny LEGITIMATELY believes he said the dog thing on the call which is evident since he was asking for everyone to listen to it… I don’t know how neither one of them sees this lmao
Bruh it doesn’t matter if he tells people to listen to it, he already got the big reaction from everyone on the panel. Plus he probably wouldn’t have said to listen to it if Nick didn’t push back and say that destiny was misrepresenting it.
He knew either way it would make Nick look bad and asked to hear it to excuse himself from the accusation of misrepresentation. He is not a principled person
There's something incredibly annoying over the fact that Nick dodges saying he's a white supremacist because he's technically a "soft white separatist". Destiny is right that trying to label them is an exercise in futility and that it's just better to focus on what they believe.
The point of labels isn't to piss them off or to end the argument, it's so that Sneako's malleable13 year old audience isn't under the impression that Nick is the harmless little memer softboi that he's trying to project he is. Nothing he talks about are memes, these are real serious topics. He's a neo-nazi domestic terrorist. Call it what it is.
But nick has stated his beliefs in detail. He points out blacks and Hispanics culture is incompatible with American culture and that we shouldn’t embrace those cultures they should be embracing ours since our culture is what made us this great nation to begin with and their culture is why they are swimming across the Gulf of Mexico to work at Home Depot. Nowhere does he say let’s deport non whites. He says let’s keep the ones we have but push them down back to where they belong as a minority and not over represent them the way we do now.
The Polgar sisters tell me the exact opposite of Destiny. Of the millions and millions of women that learn chess and the 10s of thousands that have coaching or join chess clubs (hundreds of thousands), the two that became the best female players were sisters. That's an incredibly strong genetic argument
You cannot hate on Nick Fuentes they make up a story about him that he's some sort of an extreme ultra right wing neo-Nazi conservative and Steven is somehow the morally superior person.
@@patrickfinnie8076sure call him whatever but he is making the better argument and destiny is being bad faith because he is shilling for the establishment. Yeah. What if people who look different ARE different? Like what if that’s true and we are militantly pursuing racial equity? Doesn’t that matter? Of course it does. In fact it’s critical that you know that. It’s literally the most important thing for you to know. If you believe that 2 ppl should be able to equally walk one mile, then you sure as sh-it need to know if one of them has polio, otherwise you are going to turn the world upside down trying to make that person walk one mile. Other countries are not afraid of race realism. It it our legacy or the legacy of the Nazis that has scared us into submission to wokeness? Are we actively defying our own best interests out of some misplaced sense of virtue ? We are. We are doing that. We are knowingly pursuing bad policy because of what we consider the optics of being woke.
@@patrickfinnie8076 I think you misunderstood. the only thing I’m afraid of is spiders. what I meant was they are inferior to white people lol yeah my bad maybe my language before was confusing
@@MarioEstevez-re1usthere are less differences between different species of animals than there are different “races” of humans. They’re not races, they’re different species. Most of Africa hadn’t invented the wheel when slavery started in the 1600s. A lot of Africa still hasn’t. Yet look at the wonders of white European and Asian civilizations for thousands of years… It’s common sense.
Ahh yes, the famous pairing of a holocaust survivor who's ideology is ment to be a reflection of Malcom X, the black liberation leader and the super progressive and inclusive professor based on MLK. Yeah...nah...neither of these twits fit those mantles chief.
I love these destiny and nick debatish convos, they are on a similar level intelectually but have totally opposing views and they are not afraid to engage despite their "friendship". Would love to see them have a show like "crossfire" together. And they have good chemistry and are entertaining to listen to.
@@brucebanner1638 Why not? I agree with destiny on most issues, but nick holds his positions pretty well, and does a good job od defending an argument. They mostly even argue to the point they run out of arguments, and that is why it is so good to watch them because you get a better insight in conservative point of view.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 but nick is an eccentric genius prodigy and destiny is a bisexual career twitch streamer in an open relationship. nick actually has more political experience than steven, who is just some old gamer guy, whereas nick has his own political movement and streaming service despite being targeted by the feds, megacorps, and three letter organizations for his beliefs.
1:11:30 Is height as polygenetic as IQ? LOL "By 2018, Visscher's team and other members of a global consortium called GIANT had pooled DNA data for 700,000 people and found 3300 common markers that explained 25% of the variation in height. Now, by looking across DNA from 201 GWA studies with 4.1 million participants, GIANT has brought the total to roughly 9900 common markers, accounting for 40% of the variation. Other markers located nearby and likely inherited together account for another 10% of height variability."
I think that most humans vastly underestimate just how much genetics play a role in our lives. We want to feel "in control" of our lives, and admitting that we are dealt a (genetic) lottery at the start of life gets in the way of that. The human brain loves to minimize, and in some cases, outright deny uncomfortable truths. I find it bizzare the amount of defence the left (and many geneticists themselves) play when it comes to genetic clusters and intelligence. It's obvious that such a strong link exists. They don't deny it when it comes to disease inheritability (Sickle Cell, Tay Sachs). They don't deny it when it comes to world-class athletes and their physicality (Usian Bolt). They don't deny it when it comes to skin color, hair color, eye color, or really any physical trait. But when it comes to intelligence, they deny it. Why is that?
I hate how Destiny does the “I have to mute” “cmon deep breaths”, to make others look unhinged. He does this often in situations where he would flip if someone did it to him.
The phone call tactic Destiny did is the same thing mainstream media does. Front page has an outrageous story to illicit an emotional response, then the next issue has the redaction in small print on page 20. Destiny got what he wanted by misrepresented what Nick said then he can also cover his tracks by says "oh i might be wrong lets re watch the video" after the damage has been done. Destiny conciously or unconciously used the #1 manipulation tactic of mainstream media.
1:25:27 This is actually why I am skeptical of Fuentes and his goals. To say he is not an humanitarian is probably an understatement. I am not saying he doesn't care about people at all, but I think he cares much more about things like the greatness of a nation that he cares about human beings. That general direction probably implies many positive consequences for people and many negative ones as well, but the well being of human beings is not the ultimate goal. It is like a strategy video game, the goal is to increase the greatness of your empire. And I do believe that if he was an absolute dictator he would probably be ruthless.
Nick cares about the well being of white people which is an admirable concern just like black people are concerned about their own people. How many black advocacy groups talk about helping poor white people? Not many. Hispanics and blacks and Asians only care about their own people. You assign to white advocates a bias of hatred because you are a person who has been captured by the radical anti white rhetoric.
The cycle of nick seeming reasonable In person with destiny and then going propaganda mode when he’s by himself on his show. Gives off the energy of someone trying to help an addict who doesn’t want help lol
@@sr.cosmos4543 Did he actually say that? Because obviously both sides use propaganda, propaganda isn't even a bad thing, it's just a tool. I don't know why that word is such a boogyman scary word, like chemicals or agenda.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. um by that definition yea I'd say it's not really a good thing lol.
destiny saying he suffered consequences for saying his beliefs to nick is peak irony. you got cancelled by twitter, nick got cancelled by BANKS. its like you are crying to an amputee about a papercut.
@@Bertinator-nm9lddoesn’t matter. The smug retort on essentially Destiny saying, you did bad now your suffering the consequence, when this entire thing is predicated on Destiny’s subjective sense of slighted behavior not even done by Nick. But because Nick has some proximity to someone he deserves the fault? Ya ok pal. The line of dialogue in of itself is obnoxious.
@@robosoldier11 Are banks really out here banning people for mere proximity to someone? I HIGHLY doubt that's the full story behind why Nick got pushed out of them.
Nick saying Destiny stopped his research when he got his answer he wanted was amazing projection when he later says he has done no research but has definite ideas about race and genetics.
You cannot have a serious adult conversation with a person who only wants to maintain their position and will ignore evidence to the contrary. Nick's argument that "it was bad faith" becomes, itself, a bad faith argument. The ability to admit faults comes, for the lucky few, with age and experience.
@@sparklingwaterjewishpagank5874 Nick acted in bad faith so many times in this discussion and you know that. He acts strategically to fight for his goals, he is not interested in an honest debate
@@BangaWangaTschanga I mean it doesn't really help when destinty keeps conceding points to him and says things like "well if you showed me proof black people were genetically predisposed to violence I'd just believe you" the entire video honestly is a way better showing from nick considering how badly destiny seems to be pushing him. But that's just from my perspective. I don't think destiny was bad faith by the way.
@@Hubin12 What Steven is saying is that he want to know what is "true" as in real. He is not conceding anything, he is telling us what proof he would need to be convinced. I am not in any way trying to diminish you, but it sounds like you are prone to be swayed by rhetoric more than rational argumentation. Which is what Nick thrives on. Nick probably fully understands Stevens argument, but his followers will not reward him for honesty and humility. Steven is main position is "Let's find the real answers, even if I am currently wrong" Nicks position is "I have the answers and I will defend them, no matter the contradictory evidence"
Slippery nick sure is slippery. If every single person who mass reported max is a groyper, that's a groyper issue and not a "big tech fanbase" issue. It's not like groypers make up a huge population anyway. I don't understand how you could justify, in any manner, getting angry at destiny being concerned that associating with nick will result in more of his friends getting hurt by his community. There's no plausible deniability
Nick has likely had so many people bail on him over the years that he is just waiting for the day that Destiny does it too. Getting some 'push them away before they end up hurting me' vibes🤣
There’s probably some truth to that. And that is a sad thing you know? I think Nick is actually a decent guy. The fact that he gets like this means he actually values Destiny as a friend. He’s a real person at least. He may misjudge situations, but it’s at least understandable
@@KingdomAtHand777 I agree with basically all of that. I'd be annoyed too if I were Nick, MrGirl repeatedly equated him to actual Hitler and Destiny was just kinda chill with it.
Idk if you know about any of his community’s history, but yeah that’s completely true. He’s been betrayed by some very high up people in the movement and even his best friend.
I think the debate at the end was important. We need to let the social equity policies need to play themselves out in order to prove that it's not some other factor. The problem is that those vehicles responsible themselves hold economic power, which is always prone to corruption. There needs to be a closer eye on these particular policies and their executive bodies (BLM, various gov orgs) in order for things to play out as intended.
@@Grim-mler yeah and the part where Nick said Destiny was using this as a way to avoid doing the jfk debate cuz he was scared. But Nick and Destiny already talked about postponing it until all this cleared. Idk why people comment without even watching the video, it is obvious where he is lying. but to your first comment, at the very end they found a way to end the debate where they kinda agree. I guess that isn't exactly common ground tho
It’s funny, Nick is doing that whole Bayesian analysis thing he says he hates from Destiny when he denies the probability of Destiny’s friends being reported.
@@MrShanester117 I just meant they seem happy and like they're having fun sheesh dude no need for that. I honestly don't know much more about nick other then hes an edgelord so please dont insinuate me or my friends are creeps pretty plzzzz 😀🙏
I like nick as a streamer more but he’s a virgin who has never drank alcohol or done drugs lol I’m pretty positive destiny would be more fun to hang out with
Judging by what Jaden (who lived with Fuentes) leaked about how he acts in person, Fuentes sounds like an insufferable, needy weasel of a man to be friends with
@@aryzen2781 i dont know i just watched like the first 20 mins of the video and got bored and clicked off but i think its reasonable for nick to be mad that destiny said the groypers reported mrgirl because most people would assume that means that nick did it and not the other guy
Destiny is an insufferably arrogant, demeaning and self righteous debater, but he is willing to take risks for his beliefs in the power of debate even with someone who is societally repugnant. At least in that sense he is good faith.
Bro how do you not understand the irony in this? Destiny literally has entire debates centered around assumptions of Nick’s actual secret intentions, instead of just believing him when he says he’s against genocide.
There are million different ways to discuss opposing views without debate. People have done this for thousands of years before the advent of the internet, and they'll do it for a thousand more. Deplatforming changes nothing. Debating Nick isn't necessary to defang Nick
As Christian myself, Nick arguments over race are directly in opposition to Paul's words in Galatians 3. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
@@GhastlCloud775 average IQ doesnt mean anything lol it only proves on average it happens to be the case but thats luck im talking about evidence that it directly correlates to race not just that certain racial groups have a IQ average
@@GhastlCloud775 brain size doesnt correlate with intelligence ants are some of the most intelligent creatures on the planet but their brain is the size of a pebble lol
@@GhastlCloud775 also searching "does race correlate to intelligence" yields this answer "The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence for a genetic component behind IQ differences between racial groups." further explaining my point of racial groups have IQ differences but the differences arent caused but racial genetics
it was because destiny was dodging answering the questions in the no-jumper interview and using bad anecdotes with little explanatory power. I think nick is intelligent enough to know what that is lmfao
I hate Nick and Destiny doesn't really have a strong point here. Nick doesn't really interact with Big Tech and Big Tech is more of a Ethan Ralph orbiter.
@@internetanon952Great point. Vaush is an excellent example of how community leaders should deal with repeated bad behaviour- call them out and kick them out
I'm glad I listened until the end. Nick destroyed his own argument and revealed the he used IQ as a way to justify racist policies, which is something most people know, but it took a very circuitous route.
Lol no. The only reason he brings it up is to deflect the calls of "systemic racism" ingrained in society when there is Black or brown under achievement. That is literally the only reason he brings it up. Because on a level playing field, blacks are under represented among higher income jobs, and liberals will say" THATS SYSTEMIC RACISM." Therefore we need racist policies like affirmative action. Wrong. Differences in achievement in different groups is baked into the cake.
The idea posited at 1:10:00 by Nick is so inline with someone who is dogmatically theistic and believes in Jesus/w.e. He thinks it's weird/wrong to not guess at the truth of a cause when there's not enough data to support the claim.
Ya know the incredible thing in all of this? I've been in straight up fights during protests with right wing lunatics, am active in my community when it comes to social politics and organizing, and yet still I find a literal neo-nazi more likeable than Mr.Girl. Even if Fuentes stands for virtually everything I despise in the world, I at the very least feel like I'd be a bit surprised if they found women and children in cages in his basement. The same cannot be said about MG. I'll just leave it at that and not even get into the dudes intelligence or refusal to engage in actual debate/conversation.
I've noticed a pattern with Nick. His strategy seems to be is to talk very vaguely and broadly so when you confront him on something he can just go "Woah hold on, I didn't exactly say that. You're not taking the full context"
Well yeah, outright saying some of the shit it's clear he's in support of is a sure way to get ignored by the mass majority, he's a semi reasonable person irl it looked like yet online he's just fake as fuck.
i would just add that there are other female chess players that have been competitive against male GMs e.g. hou yifan, maia chiburdanidze, nona gaprindashvili
Depends what you mean by competitive. They can get draws at a decent rate and the odd win but in a match of 15 games they would have 0% chance of winning against the top grandmasters.
Nick saw Destiny as his friend here. As an autistic person, it is upsetting to see this. We can so easily be taken in by less caring, more manipulative people. I've had it happen to me a handful of times and when they reveal that they weren't your friend, it's like getting sucker punched. I hope Nick never goes back, they bring out the worst in eachother now. Nick is just so mean about Destiny now, it's sad to see. :'(
It's funny to me how hard he was on anecdotes after explicitly stating "I don't put much value on empiricism" (or something to that extent) on the debate with Sneako, Aba and Jidion. Also, my wife is a genetics doctorate and she was listening too, she was flabbergasted by the decisiveness of the IQ and genetics part by Nick.
I mean, it’s pretty clear both play a role and that’s all I heard him say. Think of how any person arrives where they are in life - your wife, for example - in order to earn a doctorate in genetics, I’m sure she’s worked hard, etc. but she also obviously has the raw intelligence (that she was born with) to even have the intellectual capability to study, understand and complete all the required work it takes to earn that degree. Most people aren’t anywhere near smart enough to accomplish that, no matter how hard they work or how much money they’re born into because it is simply too difficult for them, the complexity of the material and subject is above their capacity for understanding.
I mean. It's incredibly hard to argue against race and IQ. You'd have to cede ground completely on the concept of divergent evolution. Even empirically it's an uphill battle.
@@pickler_pickler I find it interesting that people will avoid recognizing a connection between race and iq like the plague. Personally I have no clue what conclusion is correct, but even then it really does seem important to me. Smarter doesn't mean superior, to me or to most of humanity it seems. If a group of people has a "dumb" gene, lets say, that doesn't make them bad or unworthy. I get that race supremacist love the iq arguement, but I believe most sensible people will know that it's far more nuanced and unimportant than they suggest.
It's weird how nick laughs about his let's be honest what are racist opinions. Because they are opinions he admitted that in this video when he said "this evidence is enough for me" despite admitting there's still a lot of questions.
Hello steven. I think a good explanation as to why the iq map tends to be more in favor of western countries, as opposed to those that are not and why it is that its mostly enviromental rather than genetic can be simply explained like this: 1_ if you look up brain drain by countries map it will imediately be noticed that nearly all the countries that have a lower average iq tend to have alot of brain drain and since high iq people generaly tend to be more affluent (doctors businessmen and engineers.... etc) they tend to have an advantage when it comes to immigrating to other countries plus its generally known fact that high iq people tend to be not as common as lower iq people so even small amounts of brain drain in those countries tends to be detrimental and on the iq map nearly all western countries had a higher iq average and also had the highest increase in immigrants that were more affluent and had professional background. It could be the case that the smarter people in poorer countries are immigrating at a high pace to more financialy better off countries resulting in the average iq of those western countries increasing. 2_ there is more probability that its enviromental rather than genetic. Because the average iq of african countries has actually increased over time. Increase in iq has happend all over the world for an example in the last 100 years in the us average iq had increased by 30 percent. If it were genetic then it wouldnt be as easy for it to increase. 3_ another reason for it not being mostly genetic could be explaind like this. Europeans tend to be genetically related east and west. Very close to eachother genetically. But eastern european countries tended to have a lower iq compared to western europeans. I hope this was helpful to you steven and to everyone who saw this.
Destiny really need to stop bring up the Pulgar sisters. both of their parents were chess geniuses and had high IQ. their dad tried to train random kids as well and failed.
1. where did you get that info? i read his whole wiki & it doesn't say anything abt him training random kids - the closest i got was that he wanted to adopt a kid from the third world & try his experiment on them, but his wife talked him out of it 2. training a random kid (i.e. one he did not raise & teach from a very early age) would logically be less effective than the actual experiment 3. there are lots of ppl with high iq & the vast vast majority do not become top chess players, even the ones that compete in chess
@@amagicallaura Your third point is pretty retarded because a high IQ doesn't provide you innate pre packaged intelligence of any and everything, a high IQ provides you with the capability of having a high level of skill/knowledge in whatever it is you favor. No sh*t the vast vast majority of high IQ individuals don't become top chess players, the vast vast majority of the human population don't even play chess casually, let alone frequently, let alone with enough time investment to be able to compete against other high IQ individuals who also invest a lot of time in it.
@@amagicallaura “I read his wiki” bro, it is well known he tried to replicate this with other kids. He literally found a wife solely to do this experiment. Do you think he wouldn’t take the most obvious detraction, him and his wife are both geniuses, and try to refute it? Like really, look into his published papers and biography and what he did in Hungary and beyond his wiki…. 2. No shit? If your point is if you cannot raise kids from birth it would be less likely to know the outcome of gene expression and heritability, then every longitudinal social experiment is not valid - besides identical twin studies. And guess what! Identical twin studies have shown the most evidence iq is heritable. 3. This is your dumbest point, you would have to show there are people with LOW iq who could socialize and train to be chess grandmasters. Idk why you even brought this up cause it has nothing to do with heritability
@@RMunchSondergaard muh, it’s never been reproduced, ever. And it’s much more likely that genius and highly educated parents gave birth to genius children. Btw, the purpose of case studies are like gage who had their frontal lobe blown out and lived and was not reproducible. Nothing like this case… I think destiny and his viewer base has the biggest drop in intelligence between streamer and viewer.
"HE'S TRYING TO CONVERT MY FANS" - Nick Gets Frustrated Over Sneako And MrGirl Drama ►ruclips.net/video/9g4eECyiHN0/видео.html
Hi.
Have you ever read "The Blank Slate" by Pinker?
I was just watching the vod for this. Thanks for the upload!
@@powercore2000 iiiiuiiiii t shirt and again I won't be true to the the severe person to the office and again I think It won't be able to the office again I think I won't
One major question is, WHAT IS RACE? What is black? What is white? Especially in USA. Are these IQ tests regional? Who created these IQ tests and where were they administered to get the data on the different races?
Destiny you call him bad faith, which is often true, but I never heard you once admit that destiny is a girl's name.
This meme will never not be funny because I genuinely thought you were seriously thinking that destiny isn’t a girls name
It is
This meme is getting old
Love this joke
Amazin
These debates are way better than 5 people who kinda agree on something debating
You're why humanity sucks.
@@Ryfinius and you’re why destiny’s community gets a bad wrap.
@@coochieman2837 lol
@@coochieman2837 how so?
@@coochieman2837 you're
These Fuentes convos keep on getting better because they have both perfectly balanced love hate and pure spite
Beautiful.
Perfectly balanced...as all things should be...
@@filipmiljak7207oh how things have changed💀
I can’t believe you made me wait a whole day for this epic conclusion. I was so mad at that cliff hanger.
You could have watched the replay of his live stream
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idk why Nick doesn't just say "I'll concede this wasn't explicitly bad faith if you concede that it was an irresponsible way to introduce my thoughts and myself to people I don't know"
The Trump style of debate of giving no ground works on a stage, but not in an argument between (bestest) friends
Well it is more difficult when one person is a lunatic.
Because he’s stubborn and dishonest, obviously. And potentially his brain has simply been broken by being a “content creator”
Gay gay
I thought it was funny how Fuentes pulled a trump by just throwing a person he signed off under the bus instead of taking responsibility and/or taking actions to resolve problems in his platform.
@@tandaiff422 I mean sure, he signed off on the guy being on his platform, but it's not like he necessarily knew when he signed off that this guy was going try to get people deplatformed. He's not very good at communicating the things he believes or what he means in many cases.
Nick fuentes + Destiny content is better than anything on TV
Yeah it’s ultimate anime battle. Two most charismatic debaters on inet
@@MultiAsdagDestiny...charismatic?
Let me summarize this:
"We don't trust each other so we have to purity test each other."
Both are literally having the same doubts
Yes
@@Grim-mler Ok Destiny
And that's love Fabian.
@@Grim-mler Absolutely. I'm sure the streamer you're a fan of is the honest one though.
Its pretty funny both Nick and Destiny have been screwed over by so many prior relationships they are so paranoid.
Destiny gets screwed over in his marriage on a regular basis
"The problem with holding me accountable for what I say, is that sometimes, I just say shit" - Nicholas J Fuentes
based
That doesn’t apply in this situation
Isn’t that true for everyone though 😂
"Why am I bring asked to take responsibility for my son's actions? I can barely take responsibility for my own actions!"
@Jonah E Bro I love Nick, that's just funny as fuck.
the level of nasal in both of their voices sure is something
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The besties clashed in a heated debate 😔
Nick and Destiny are the equivalent of an un moveable object meeting and unstoppable force.
*Immovable
@@zeedom5848 Yours Truly,
Grammar 🐷
Nick is a phony grifter. I don’t see anything powerful coming from him at all
" I think you and I are destined to do this forever."
@@zeedom5848 wasn’t nerd shit not funny
Why criticize Nick for his view that racial disparities in IQ are genetically determined when you acknowledge that this may be true and you haven’t done enough research to come to a definitive conclusion on that question?
It’s not a genetic trait.
@@cnjt159thuhh yeah, it is
@@STEELGMBL No, it’s not. You can take a child with 2 low iq parents and with the right education they will be high iq. And vice versa you can take a child with 2 high iq parents and put them in public school throughout their entire life and they will be average. It’s like when people say obesity is genetic, it’s the behavior that’s generally passed down.
@@STEELGMBLproof
@@cnjt159th iq not genetic?
I'm from Pakistan and i dare to admit that race realism is real. Humans can have all kind of variety in colour, stature, physical strength but everyone has the same intelligence??? Variety within a specie is the fodder for natural selection to cull out the disadvantaged one's. However , human evolution has graduated from the natural selection to active upgradation by human body by humans themselves, future humans will incorporate electronics and mechanical systems in the very organic human body.
Now, humans should not left anyone behind, we shouldn't be left to the cruel mechanitions of natural selection.
STERILISATION IS WRONG.
Mahatma Gandhi thought black people were an inferior race.
@@virtualpilgrim8645based Ghandi
"Peace Talks DERAILS Into HEATED Race Realism Debate"
That's like half of the arguments on the internet.
Okay but you're [insert race here] so you're wrong.
Finally
Nick Fuentes has about as good a chance converting Destiny into becoming a groyper as Melina has of converting Nick into being straight.
Stop projecting.
glad people still use degeneracy as an insult
@@jackdaw6359 the insult is more that it's clear to anyone that has experience with people that are gay (even before they ever acted upon it, sometimes before they admitted it to themselves) that nick is gay. It's his nature, and he is denying it. That's the insulting part.
@@nomoresunforever3695 cringe
@@nomoresunforever3695 I don't pretend to know the mind of Nick or anyone. He seems more incel type. And although incels definitely won't be marrying any time soon I highly doubt that they are gay just because they hate women.
"Destiny you draw an ideological conclusion."
"What's my conclusion?"
"Your conclusion is race realists have drawn a conclusion."
This man serious?
Nick was being bad faith that entire conversation, he couldn't accurately summarize a single point that he listened to. It's like the words went in one ear and out the other, and then he threw something Destiny never said back at him. I get why I hate listening to this smarmy weirdo so much now and it's because Nick argues exactly like Vaush does.
@@amazin7006 You are completely wrong, didn’t even make a valid point.
@@godsstrength7129 Nick strawmans Destiny multiple times in this video. Pull the meat out of your throat buddy
Destiny is a black womans name
I was gonna go to bed, and then August came through at the last minute to fuck my sleep schedule. Beautiful.
August? Huh?
Go to sleep
@@Bugdeek entanglement with August
@@Bugdeek Destiny's editor
@@Bugdeek August is Destiny's editor.
I feel like Nick still understands Destiny's views better than Mr Girl, and that's saying a LOT
Destiny, when you read comments like this, do you see what mrgirl was saying?
@@molewizard I'm not Destiny tho, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't read the youtube comments on his videos(and especially not replies to youtube comments). I've only seen him read reddit posts, twitter posts, and stream chat messages.
@@WanderTheNomad I know. I'm just hoping.
@@molewizard i don't see how this comment relates to anything Mr Girl has said?
GOOON, GOOON I LOVE PSYOPS, GOOON I LOVE PSYOPS, GOOOOOOON.
Half way through I realized I was watching two bisexual men argue about friendship. 🤮
My new favorite anime
It's less gay for Nick, as destiny is a girls name.
@@LunarLocust 😂
1:11:40
There are *HUNDREDS* of genes that control height not ONE, each with a tiny effect size on the overall final phenotype (in that case adult height) How do we know? GWAS and Mendelian randomization.
Height is highly genetic.
There are just as large differences in height within races though
@@natem.6280 To use Bayesian probability as destiny says(lol) you could say that with a good probability that if u picked out 100 people from Europe and 100 People from Asia, 10 times, The europans would be taller Most of the time. I mean some one would have to do the experiment but 8/10?
Also the question was that is height ad polygenetic as iq, and yes it is. It seems like its highly cannot be alternated. The difference between races are more concentrated on the average, a lower end European will NOT be as short as a loeer end Asian.
@@Ufhhh12 bro Uriah hall sucks and so does all of 185.
@@Ufhhh12 this stuff is so self evident that the only reason people deny it is because they don’t like the conclusions or how it makes you feel.
If IQ is the best predictor of success in an individual’s life then the average IQ of a nation would also track with the nation’s success. If IQ’s were not heritable and were random then all races would have the same IQ’s. Therefore IQ’s cannot be random because different Nation’s have different IQ’s. Because it’s not random it must be caused by something and the only two options are heredity and environment.
Multiracial countries show that given similar environments different races perform differently which suggests it’s mostly genetic.
Genetics probably give people their IQ ceiling and their environment determines if they reach their potential.
@@Madfrog625 This completely ignores environmental factors
I LOVE listening to these two talk. I sincerely think listening to these two talk TOGETHER can help A LOT of people. Help them make better sense of their own thoughts, help them learn how to be critical, facilitate their de-radicalization. These two together is good for the space
Ones literally a nazi.
I dont think theres many radicals who follow destiny especially considering almost nothing destiny believes in is radical
@@Twister-V1 there's literally white nationalists and nazis in destiny's youtube community since he started buttfucking Fuentes and simping for Southern
@@Twister-V1 as a radical, I agree. I don't really follow Destiny or Nick, but I enjoy listening to different opinions.
groyper psyop
@01:08:30 Guitars actually used to be considered feminine instruments because they’re much smaller and easier to hold. Back when classical music was popular, men gravitated towards piano and other large instruments. Women were pushed towards guitars because it allowed them to play music without “compromising their femininity”. Guitar-playing *became* masculinized and marketed towards men in the 20th century when it became too expensive and impractical to own a piano. And of course, media centered around male rock stars, which further aligned the guitar with men. So, young boys eventually dominated the activity. Conversely, piano became more feminized. Violin still seems to be more gender neutral, but I see a lot of girls playing that instrument too. Long story short, a lot of these things are due to socialization, media, and economic coincidence.
the relationship between you and Nick is one of the greatest internet things that exists. :)
"And I'm sorry I don't have exact statistics on women in hair metal bands!"
"Well, you should be."
The bant
Nicks so right, destiny and mr girl are both objectively girls names
As another male Nick, I'm comfortable saying that Nick is more of a girl's name than Mr. Girl, primarily due to the "Mr." part. But, Destiny is definitely a girl's name, as was revealed by the most entertaining Peterson on the Internet, Jesse Lee Harvey Oswald Peterson.
@@nrein89 transexuals dont count. so as a male, your name is indeed more of a girl ,and thus all other opinions of you that other peoples name is girl is made up out of nothing. so yeah you got nothing, while the rest does. its like a transexual stripper destiny is the name, so s mr girl.
i guess neo nazis like you can relate
1:12:26 does anyone know where I can watch any of this lecture series he’s talking about?
I just keep thinking back to when Destiny said one of the groypers said that you made Nick seem more human. Because now he just sounds like the politicians he rallies against with the non answers, talking long so we forget what the original question was etc...
42:15 so wholesome lol ❤
Destiny: 15 seconds of deep breaths okay?
Nick: alright alright...
Nah that Trainwreck debate was legendary tho
Fax
The notion that Nick Fuentes is not a white supremacist is really splitting hairs.
No not at all. He isn't even White. He's Latino. You're a bigot.
Who says he isn’t? It’s common sense. The Asians are alright they’re just different- and most of them want to stay in their own countries.
He thinks white supremacists insist on whites being better, irrationally. Nick happens to “know” the truth that people are genetically different and Whites are proven to be culturally superior. He’s not racist he’s being realistic. I think that’s what he would say
the disconnect is nick thinks what’s “bad faith” is destiny inherently trying to make Nick look bad, whereas destiny understands it as outwardly lying or misrepresenting someone and their positions, which Nick would say he’s doing, but can’t be true if Destiny LEGITIMATELY believes he said the dog thing on the call which is evident since he was asking for everyone to listen to it… I don’t know how neither one of them sees this lmao
Bruh it doesn’t matter if he tells people to listen to it, he already got the big reaction from everyone on the panel. Plus he probably wouldn’t have said to listen to it if Nick didn’t push back and say that destiny was misrepresenting it.
He knew either way it would make Nick look bad and asked to hear it to excuse himself from the accusation of misrepresentation. He is not a principled person
There's something incredibly annoying over the fact that Nick dodges saying he's a white supremacist because he's technically a "soft white separatist".
Destiny is right that trying to label them is an exercise in futility and that it's just better to focus on what they believe.
The point of labels isn't to piss them off or to end the argument, it's so that Sneako's malleable13 year old audience isn't under the impression that Nick is the harmless little memer softboi that he's trying to project he is. Nothing he talks about are memes, these are real serious topics. He's a neo-nazi domestic terrorist. Call it what it is.
But nick has stated his beliefs in detail. He points out blacks and Hispanics culture is incompatible with American culture and that we shouldn’t embrace those cultures they should be embracing ours since our culture is what made us this great nation to begin with and their culture is why they are swimming across the Gulf of Mexico to work at Home Depot. Nowhere does he say let’s deport non whites. He says let’s keep the ones we have but push them down back to where they belong as a minority and not over represent them the way we do now.
Deplatforming is such a serious issue that one must deplatform if another attempts to deplatform.
When in Rome...
MAD doctrine
When in @@deeznutz8320 ...
These two are bringing genuienly entertaining content here. Good stuff.
The Polgar sisters tell me the exact opposite of Destiny. Of the millions and millions of women that learn chess and the 10s of thousands that have coaching or join chess clubs (hundreds of thousands), the two that became the best female players were sisters. That's an incredibly strong genetic argument
You cannot hate on Nick Fuentes they make up a story about him that he's some sort of an extreme ultra right wing neo-Nazi conservative and Steven is somehow the morally superior person.
He is that, there’s no lie or story
@@patrickfinnie8076sure call him whatever but he is making the better argument and destiny is being bad faith because he is shilling for the establishment. Yeah. What if people who look different ARE different? Like what if that’s true and we are militantly pursuing racial equity? Doesn’t that matter? Of course it does. In fact it’s critical that you know that. It’s literally the most important thing for you to know. If you believe that 2 ppl should be able to equally walk one mile, then you sure as sh-it need to know if one of them has polio, otherwise you are going to turn the world upside down trying to make that person walk one mile.
Other countries are not afraid of race realism. It it our legacy or the legacy of the Nazis that has scared us into submission to wokeness? Are we actively defying our own best interests out of some misplaced sense of virtue ? We are. We are doing that. We are knowingly pursuing bad policy because of what we consider the optics of being woke.
@@MarioEstevez-re1us I don’t care about other countries I’m an American, if you’re scared of brown people then move my dude
@@patrickfinnie8076 I think you misunderstood. the only thing I’m afraid of is spiders. what I meant was they are inferior to white people lol yeah my bad maybe my language before was confusing
@@MarioEstevez-re1usthere are less differences between different species of animals than there are different “races” of humans.
They’re not races, they’re different species.
Most of Africa hadn’t invented the wheel when slavery started in the 1600s. A lot of Africa still hasn’t.
Yet look at the wonders of white European and Asian civilizations for thousands of years…
It’s common sense.
its like watching magneto and professor x in real time...
thank you for the content
Who's magneto? Remember magneto is a Jew I highly doubt nick is magneto not professor x lol.
Ahh yes, the famous pairing of a holocaust survivor who's ideology is ment to be a reflection of Malcom X, the black liberation leader and the super progressive and inclusive professor based on MLK.
Yeah...nah...neither of these twits fit those mantles chief.
@@cngotham4111 is that why he wanted to control the world so much?
Jk jk
@@valenci3069 coward
If you're a debate guy, why would you call for someone to be banned? I enjoyed the fact that you debate people who you don't see eye to eye on.
the thought of groypers being influenced by destiny and switching "sides" is even more ridiculous than flat earth theory
I love these destiny and nick debatish convos, they are on a similar level intelectually but have totally opposing views and they are not afraid to engage despite their "friendship". Would love to see them have a show like "crossfire" together. And they have good chemistry and are entertaining to listen to.
Putting nick and destiny on the same intellectual level is fucking laughable but I agree they both engage well
@@brucebanner1638 Why not? I agree with destiny on most issues, but nick holds his positions pretty well, and does a good job od defending an argument. They mostly even argue to the point they run out of arguments, and that is why it is so good to watch them because you get a better insight in conservative point of view.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 and destiny is much more mature than nick is, that is why perhaps he appears more serious, nick always jokes around.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 but nick is an eccentric genius prodigy and destiny is a bisexual career twitch streamer in an open relationship. nick actually has more political experience than steven, who is just some old gamer guy, whereas nick has his own political movement and streaming service despite being targeted by the feds, megacorps, and three letter organizations for his beliefs.
@@peepeepoopoo2749 right, destiny has been at it a decade longer and Nick’s already on his level
1:11:30
Is height as polygenetic as IQ? LOL
"By 2018, Visscher's team and other members of a global consortium called GIANT had pooled DNA data for 700,000 people and found 3300 common markers that explained 25% of the variation in height. Now, by looking across DNA from 201 GWA studies with 4.1 million participants, GIANT has brought the total to roughly 9900 common markers, accounting for 40% of the variation. Other markers located nearby and likely inherited together account for another 10% of height variability."
groypers win again
I think that most humans vastly underestimate just how much genetics play a role in our lives. We want to feel "in control" of our lives, and admitting that we are dealt a (genetic) lottery at the start of life gets in the way of that. The human brain loves to minimize, and in some cases, outright deny uncomfortable truths.
I find it bizzare the amount of defence the left (and many geneticists themselves) play when it comes to genetic clusters and intelligence.
It's obvious that such a strong link exists. They don't deny it when it comes to disease inheritability (Sickle Cell, Tay Sachs). They don't deny it when it comes to world-class athletes and their physicality (Usian Bolt). They don't deny it when it comes to skin color, hair color, eye color, or really any physical trait.
But when it comes to intelligence, they deny it. Why is that?
So much better than irresponsibly platforming Lav. :)
What's the difference between Lav and Nick? They're both boring racists
I hate how Destiny does the “I have to mute” “cmon deep breaths”, to make others look unhinged. He does this often in situations where he would flip if someone did it to him.
Yeah he should eat pizza instead
The phone call tactic Destiny did is the same thing mainstream media does. Front page has an outrageous story to illicit an emotional response, then the next issue has the redaction in small print on page 20. Destiny got what he wanted by misrepresented what Nick said then he can also cover his tracks by says "oh i might be wrong lets re watch the video" after the damage has been done. Destiny conciously or unconciously used the #1 manipulation tactic of mainstream media.
Nick screaming “can I finish my fucking point” after ten straight minutes of talking in circles is driving me to drink
Will you twerk on my unit after you’re done with the drinks?
🥂
It's not worth it put the glass down friend.
Drink more pls
@@william4996 gay
1:25:27 This is actually why I am skeptical of Fuentes and his goals. To say he is not an humanitarian is probably an understatement. I am not saying he doesn't care about people at all, but I think he cares much more about things like the greatness of a nation that he cares about human beings. That general direction probably implies many positive consequences for people and many negative ones as well, but the well being of human beings is not the ultimate goal. It is like a strategy video game, the goal is to increase the greatness of your empire. And I do believe that if he was an absolute dictator he would probably be ruthless.
Nick cares about the well being of white people which is an admirable concern just like black people are concerned about their own people. How many black advocacy groups talk about helping poor white people? Not many. Hispanics and blacks and Asians only care about their own people. You assign to white advocates a bias of hatred because you are a person who has been captured by the radical anti white rhetoric.
The cycle of nick seeming reasonable In person with destiny and then going propaganda mode when he’s by himself on his show. Gives off the energy of someone trying to help an addict who doesn’t want help lol
Only one side uses "propaganda"? Ok, sure buddy.
In this argument honestly he seemed more reasonable than Destiny. Nick doesn't really have that much control over BigTech
@@sr.cosmos4543 calm down mr.girlreturns burner account
@@sr.cosmos4543 Did he actually say that? Because obviously both sides use propaganda, propaganda isn't even a bad thing, it's just a tool. I don't know why that word is such a boogyman scary word, like chemicals or agenda.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. um by that definition yea I'd say it's not really a good thing lol.
Their friendship is so heartwarming.
Was
Was
destiny saying he suffered consequences for saying his beliefs to nick is peak irony. you got cancelled by twitter, nick got cancelled by BANKS. its like you are crying to an amputee about a papercut.
Nick still shills to a crowd. The alt-right crowd. Destiny doesn't shill for anyone.
Did he say that he suffered consequences as bad as Nick, though? I never heard him claim that he got hit as hard as Nick.
@@Bertinator-nm9lddoesn’t matter. The smug retort on essentially Destiny saying, you did bad now your suffering the consequence, when this entire thing is predicated on Destiny’s subjective sense of slighted behavior not even done by Nick. But because Nick has some proximity to someone he deserves the fault? Ya ok pal. The line of dialogue in of itself is obnoxious.
@@robosoldier11 Are banks really out here banning people for mere proximity to someone? I HIGHLY doubt that's the full story behind why Nick got pushed out of them.
Here before all the Destiny is a Girl's name memes.
Nick saying Destiny stopped his research when he got his answer he wanted was amazing projection when he later says he has done no research but has definite ideas about race and genetics.
Par for the course with these types when pushed
Fuentes is very proud of himself for saying interracial sex is less degenerate than bestiality.
Start at 53:00
You cannot have a serious adult conversation with a person who only wants to maintain their position and will ignore evidence to the contrary.
Nick's argument that "it was bad faith" becomes, itself, a bad faith argument.
The ability to admit faults comes, for the lucky few, with age and experience.
Nick Gave an argument bro and destiny dodged so it was bad faith lmao
@@sparklingwaterjewishpagank5874 Nick acted in bad faith so many times in this discussion and you know that. He acts strategically to fight for his goals, he is not interested in an honest debate
@@BangaWangaTschanga I mean it doesn't really help when destinty keeps conceding points to him and says things like "well if you showed me proof black people were genetically predisposed to violence I'd just believe you" the entire video honestly is a way better showing from nick considering how badly destiny seems to be pushing him. But that's just from my perspective.
I don't think destiny was bad faith by the way.
@@sparklingwaterjewishpagank5874 Swoooosh
You are doing exactly what I just described
@@Hubin12 What Steven is saying is that he want to know what is "true" as in real.
He is not conceding anything, he is telling us what proof he would need to be convinced.
I am not in any way trying to diminish you, but it sounds like you are prone to be swayed by rhetoric more than rational argumentation. Which is what Nick thrives on.
Nick probably fully understands Stevens argument, but his followers will not reward him for honesty and humility.
Steven is main position is "Let's find the real answers, even if I am currently wrong"
Nicks position is "I have the answers and I will defend them, no matter the contradictory evidence"
Not blaming you just holding you accountable for your following lol.
Slippery nick sure is slippery. If every single person who mass reported max is a groyper, that's a groyper issue and not a "big tech fanbase" issue. It's not like groypers make up a huge population anyway. I don't understand how you could justify, in any manner, getting angry at destiny being concerned that associating with nick will result in more of his friends getting hurt by his community. There's no plausible deniability
Nick has likely had so many people bail on him over the years that he is just waiting for the day that Destiny does it too. Getting some 'push them away before they end up hurting me' vibes🤣
There’s probably some truth to that. And that is a sad thing you know? I think Nick is actually a decent guy. The fact that he gets like this means he actually values Destiny as a friend. He’s a real person at least. He may misjudge situations, but it’s at least understandable
@@KingdomAtHand777 I agree with basically all of that. I'd be annoyed too if I were Nick, MrGirl repeatedly equated him to actual Hitler and Destiny was just kinda chill with it.
Idk if you know about any of his community’s history, but yeah that’s completely true. He’s been betrayed by some very high up people in the movement and even his best friend.
42:08 I thought he started barking, I was so confused.
good tv
Sigh its 1:30am about to go to bed and i get a destiny notification
I think the debate at the end was important. We need to let the social equity policies need to play themselves out in order to prove that it's not some other factor. The problem is that those vehicles responsible themselves hold economic power, which is always prone to corruption. There needs to be a closer eye on these particular policies and their executive bodies (BLM, various gov orgs) in order for things to play out as intended.
Just as we thought Destiny was maybe making progress with Nick after their face to face meetings and having meal together, the Cold War was reignited.
Nearly 10,000 common gene variants influence how tall a person becomes.
80% of height is genetic, yet the difference between north and south korean height is 6 inches- they have the same genetics.
Nick is so good at moving an argument of him being bad faith into debate that you both could find common ground on lol
Because he's not bad faith. He's better than good faith.
@@Grim-mler yeah and the part where Nick said Destiny was using this as a way to avoid doing the jfk debate cuz he was scared. But Nick and Destiny already talked about postponing it until all this cleared. Idk why people comment without even watching the video, it is obvious where he is lying. but to your first comment, at the very end they found a way to end the debate where they kinda agree. I guess that isn't exactly common ground tho
It’s funny, Nick is doing that whole Bayesian analysis thing he says he hates from Destiny when he denies the probability of Destiny’s friends being reported.
destiny admits he was wrong but he will not admit that destiny is a girls name
Oh that’s so original. Where did you come up with it?
@@MrShanester117 Common observation. Have you not observed that people named Destiny tend to be girls?
without politics nick and steven seem like theyd be fun to hang out with
Nick seems creepy without a genuine bone in his body. I guess that who you hang out with
They both seem kinda boring. I love destiny as a streamer but I’d probably never hang out with him personally.
@@MrShanester117 I just meant they seem happy and like they're having fun sheesh dude no need for that. I honestly don't know much more about nick other then hes an edgelord so please dont insinuate me or my friends are creeps pretty plzzzz 😀🙏
I like nick as a streamer more but he’s a virgin who has never drank alcohol or done drugs lol I’m pretty positive destiny would be more fun to hang out with
Judging by what Jaden (who lived with Fuentes) leaked about how he acts in person, Fuentes sounds like an insufferable, needy weasel of a man to be friends with
The frenemy arc here is amazing!
I wished Nick would want to ban people by IQ. If we really did that, Nick wouldn't be part of the country. Nick is nowhere close to 130.
i think nick is right here and destiny is wrong
why
@@aryzen2781 i dont know i just watched like the first 20 mins of the video and got bored and clicked off but i think its reasonable for nick to be mad that destiny said the groypers reported mrgirl because most people would assume that means that nick did it and not the other guy
On behalf of all of the good Nick’s, I’m so sorry
Who was bad faith again?
Destiny is an insufferably arrogant, demeaning and self righteous debater, but he is willing to take risks for his beliefs in the power of debate even with someone who is societally repugnant. At least in that sense he is good faith.
L
That chess girls anecdote soooo stupid. THEY HAVE THEIR FATHERS GENES
40:00-37:00 is literally Nick making assumptions about Destiny’s intentions. This defamation at this point.
Bro how do you not understand the irony in this? Destiny literally has entire debates centered around assumptions of Nick’s actual secret intentions, instead of just believing him when he says he’s against genocide.
These debates must continue, regardless of Nick's views, deplatforming is bs. Discussing opposing views is necessary for progress.
There are million different ways to discuss opposing views without debate. People have done this for thousands of years before the advent of the internet, and they'll do it for a thousand more. Deplatforming changes nothing. Debating Nick isn't necessary to defang Nick
@@amazin7006 Cope harder. Destiny fans want more Nick. They NEED more Nick. Open your mind dude.
As Christian myself, Nick arguments over race are directly in opposition to Paul's words in Galatians 3.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
@@GhastlCloud775 i dont think there has ever been evidence of differences in IQ solely based on race and genetics
@@GhastlCloud775 average IQ doesnt mean anything lol it only proves on average it happens to be the case but thats luck im talking about evidence that it directly correlates to race not just that certain racial groups have a IQ average
@@GhastlCloud775 also this wouldnt make any sense bc the smartest man in history was a white guy and the second smartest man was an asian guy lol
@@GhastlCloud775 brain size doesnt correlate with intelligence ants are some of the most intelligent creatures on the planet but their brain is the size of a pebble lol
@@GhastlCloud775 also searching "does race correlate to intelligence" yields this answer "The scientific consensus is that there is no evidence for a genetic component behind IQ differences between racial groups." further explaining my point of racial groups have IQ differences but the differences arent caused but racial genetics
i think it's great that you keep a diverse set of voices on your channel
Destiny + Nick is the best content
Oh no, nick actually thinks “being bad faith” means not supporting my views.
it was because destiny was dodging answering the questions in the no-jumper interview and using bad anecdotes with little explanatory power. I think nick is intelligent enough to know what that is lmfao
I hate Nick and Destiny doesn't really have a strong point here. Nick doesn't really interact with Big Tech and Big Tech is more of a Ethan Ralph orbiter.
@@internetanon952 Big Tech and Ethan Ralph are both in the groyper sphere, no question about it
@@TheDolphinTuna Vaush was also in the Destiny sphere at one point exposed to harassing poppy. What does that have to do with Destiny?
@@internetanon952Great point. Vaush is an excellent example of how community leaders should deal with repeated bad behaviour- call them out and kick them out
Amazes me that there’s people in these comments that believe and like Destiny. He actually believes ALL gov propoganda
Least surprising outcome of this cute but toxic couple 💑
I'm glad I listened until the end. Nick destroyed his own argument and revealed the he used IQ as a way to justify racist policies, which is something most people know, but it took a very circuitous route.
Lol no. The only reason he brings it up is to deflect the calls of "systemic racism" ingrained in society when there is Black or brown under achievement. That is literally the only reason he brings it up.
Because on a level playing field, blacks are under represented among higher income jobs, and liberals will say" THATS SYSTEMIC RACISM." Therefore we need racist policies like affirmative action.
Wrong. Differences in achievement in different groups is baked into the cake.
you should listen to the end again with an open mind this time because that is a completely incorrect conclusion
You still say, "racist"? Hahahaha
@@hugechromepeach7916 I forgot racism doesn't exist... Hahahahaha 😂
@@schmokay correct.
There's a clip out there of Nick telling his viewers on stream to mass report Porsalin because he found him annoying and didn't like his videos lmfao
The idea posited at 1:10:00 by Nick is so inline with someone who is dogmatically theistic and believes in Jesus/w.e. He thinks it's weird/wrong to not guess at the truth of a cause when there's not enough data to support the claim.
Why does destiny upload at crackhead hours
Just mooooove to New Zealand
Gotta get the based aussie viewers
@@harryseaton7444 🤢🤢🤮
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I'm still gonna watch though 😅
Ya know the incredible thing in all of this?
I've been in straight up fights during protests with right wing lunatics, am active in my community when it comes to social politics and organizing, and yet still I find a literal neo-nazi more likeable than Mr.Girl.
Even if Fuentes stands for virtually everything I despise in the world, I at the very least feel like I'd be a bit surprised if they found women and children in cages in his basement.
The same cannot be said about MG. I'll just leave it at that and not even get into the dudes intelligence or refusal to engage in actual debate/conversation.
I've noticed a pattern with Nick. His strategy seems to be is to talk very vaguely and broadly so when you confront him on something he can just go "Woah hold on, I didn't exactly say that. You're not taking the full context"
Well yeah, outright saying some of the shit it's clear he's in support of is a sure way to get ignored by the mass majority, he's a semi reasonable person irl it looked like yet online he's just fake as fuck.
Oh no doubt.
i would just add that there are other female chess players that have been competitive against male GMs e.g. hou yifan, maia chiburdanidze, nona gaprindashvili
Depends what you mean by competitive. They can get draws at a decent rate and the odd win but in a match of 15 games they would have 0% chance of winning against the top grandmasters.
Nick just wants a real friend
Nick saw Destiny as his friend here. As an autistic person, it is upsetting to see this. We can so easily be taken in by less caring, more manipulative people. I've had it happen to me a handful of times and when they reveal that they weren't your friend, it's like getting sucker punched. I hope Nick never goes back, they bring out the worst in eachother now. Nick is just so mean about Destiny now, it's sad to see.
:'(
It's funny to me how hard he was on anecdotes after explicitly stating "I don't put much value on empiricism" (or something to that extent) on the debate with Sneako, Aba and Jidion. Also, my wife is a genetics doctorate and she was listening too, she was flabbergasted by the decisiveness of the IQ and genetics part by Nick.
I mean, it’s pretty clear both play a role and that’s all I heard him say. Think of how any person arrives where they are in life - your wife, for example - in order to earn a doctorate in genetics, I’m sure she’s worked hard, etc. but she also obviously has the raw intelligence (that she was born with) to even have the intellectual capability to study, understand and complete all the required work it takes to earn that degree. Most people aren’t anywhere near smart enough to accomplish that, no matter how hard they work or how much money they’re born into because it is simply too difficult for them, the complexity of the material and subject is above their capacity for understanding.
I mean. It's incredibly hard to argue against race and IQ. You'd have to cede ground completely on the concept of divergent evolution. Even empirically it's an uphill battle.
no one cares about ur wifes opinion
@@pickler_pickler how is it hard? Its very hard to argue that race and IQ are biologically linked at all
@@pickler_pickler I find it interesting that people will avoid recognizing a connection between race and iq like the plague. Personally I have no clue what conclusion is correct, but even then it really does seem important to me. Smarter doesn't mean superior, to me or to most of humanity it seems. If a group of people has a "dumb" gene, lets say, that doesn't make them bad or unworthy. I get that race supremacist love the iq arguement, but I believe most sensible people will know that it's far more nuanced and unimportant than they suggest.
It's weird how nick laughs about his let's be honest what are racist opinions. Because they are opinions he admitted that in this video when he said "this evidence is enough for me" despite admitting there's still a lot of questions.
What's racist about believing Asian people are on average smarter than White people?
Hello steven. I think a good explanation as to why the iq map tends to be more in favor of western countries, as opposed to those that are not and why it is that its mostly enviromental rather than genetic can be simply explained like this:
1_ if you look up brain drain by countries map it will imediately be noticed that nearly all the countries that have a lower average iq tend to have alot of brain drain and since high iq people generaly tend to be more affluent (doctors businessmen and engineers.... etc) they tend to have an advantage when it comes to immigrating to other countries plus its generally known fact that high iq people tend to be not as common as lower iq people so even small amounts of brain drain in those countries tends to be detrimental and on the iq map nearly all western countries had a higher iq average and also had the highest increase in immigrants that were more affluent and had professional background. It could be the case that the smarter people in poorer countries are immigrating at a high pace to more financialy better off countries resulting in the average iq of those western countries increasing.
2_ there is more probability that its enviromental rather than genetic. Because the average iq of african countries has actually increased over time. Increase in iq has happend all over the world for an example in the last 100 years in the us average iq had increased by 30 percent. If it were genetic then it wouldnt be as easy for it to increase.
3_ another reason for it not being mostly genetic could be explaind like this.
Europeans tend to be genetically related east and west. Very close to eachother genetically.
But eastern european countries tended to have a lower iq compared to western europeans.
I hope this was helpful to you steven and to everyone who saw this.
Lol
I’m still sad Destiny ruined the Nick content bridge over mr. girL
The idea that Nick ISN’T a white supremacist is laughable, and I pity people who honestly believe that.
He said Asians have higher IQs and the lowest criminality rate. that doesn’t sound white supremacist to me.
depends on what your definition of a supremacist is
Nick won the debate when he answered "but it's a girl's name"
Nick smoked destiny
Cornball
I'm not a fan of him, but the first 30 min, destiny is being level headed.
Destiny really need to stop bring up the Pulgar sisters. both of their parents were chess geniuses and had high IQ. their dad tried to train random kids as well and failed.
1. where did you get that info? i read his whole wiki & it doesn't say anything abt him training random kids - the closest i got was that he wanted to adopt a kid from the third world & try his experiment on them, but his wife talked him out of it
2. training a random kid (i.e. one he did not raise & teach from a very early age) would logically be less effective than the actual experiment
3. there are lots of ppl with high iq & the vast vast majority do not become top chess players, even the ones that compete in chess
@@amagicallaura Your third point is pretty retarded because a high IQ doesn't provide you innate pre packaged intelligence of any and everything, a high IQ provides you with the capability of having a high level of skill/knowledge in whatever it is you favor.
No sh*t the vast vast majority of high IQ individuals don't become top chess players, the vast vast majority of the human population don't even play chess casually, let alone frequently, let alone with enough time investment to be able to compete against other high IQ individuals who also invest a lot of time in it.
Muh it's a case study. Such bad faith.
@@amagicallaura “I read his wiki” bro, it is well known he tried to replicate this with other kids. He literally found a wife solely to do this experiment. Do you think he wouldn’t take the most obvious detraction, him and his wife are both geniuses, and try to refute it? Like really, look into his published papers and biography and what he did in Hungary and beyond his wiki….
2. No shit? If your point is if you cannot raise kids from birth it would be less likely to know the outcome of gene expression and heritability, then every longitudinal social experiment is not valid - besides identical twin studies. And guess what! Identical twin studies have shown the most evidence iq is heritable.
3. This is your dumbest point, you would have to show there are people with LOW iq who could socialize and train to be chess grandmasters. Idk why you even brought this up cause it has nothing to do with heritability
@@RMunchSondergaard muh, it’s never been reproduced, ever. And it’s much more likely that genius and highly educated parents gave birth to genius children.
Btw, the purpose of case studies are like gage who had their frontal lobe blown out and lived and was not reproducible. Nothing like this case… I think destiny and his viewer base has the biggest drop in intelligence between streamer and viewer.