It is incredibly hard to ‘like’ the king, and terribly easy to feel sympathy for his wives. “Step into my parlor, said the spider to the fly,” is how I would have felt, I think.
I wonder if Henry VIII was so pleased with Jane producing him an heir that he would have eventually had her crowned as Queen, if she hadn’t died of childbed fever. He did seem to make empty promises though, so I also wonder if due to the cost of Queen Anne’s coronation, maybe he was reluctant to spend the money on another Queen. It does seem that something like that played a part as her didn’t crown his future wives either. Thank you as always for another awesome video and I’ll be tuning in again tomorrow!
He was buried next to her for his ideas of continuity and dynasty. She is the one that gave him his longed for son. Just as he had her painted into his dynastic family painting altho she was already dead and he was remarried to katherine parr.
They married 11 days after beheading Anne and Jane died 12 days after giving birth. Henry curses his wives by marrying them. I feel sorry for all his wives.
I wonder if he would have tired of Jane eventually even if she had given him another son and not died. He probably would have and would have had a wandering eye but wouldn't have felt the need to dispose of her the way he did Anne. He may have just told her to "put up with it as her betters had done"
I'm quite sure that Jane's dying was the the best thing that could have happened ( as bad as that sounds). She died before his love for her died first.
He would probably take mistress ( as he already was doing when jane was pregnant), but he wouldn't divorce her,her place was pretty much segure. He would not divorce the woman who gave him the son he wanted so much.
I am, indeed! I'm working on one on the families that owned Hever Castle. I'm writing it with my good friend, Owen Emmerson, who is castle supervisor there.
wow..... this share really have shed some light on the situation , that i had never heard of before . such as the two women , makes much sense . thank you , for sharing.............
I look on Jane's death as karma for Henry. He divorced one wife and murdered another for failing to give him sons who survived. So, of course, the wife who does give him that son does not live long enough to enjoy the benefits of it.
Thank you for this very interesting video, Claire! Could you please tell me the date of the letter you quoted at 3:48 - 4:21? When did Chapuys write this letter? I haven't been able to find it in the Calendar of State Papers. Doesn't sound like marital bliss at all, if you ask me... Kind regards, Corinna
I wonder if Henry slept with Jane before Anne's death and that the reason for the rush in marrying was that she was pregnant? She could have suffered a miscarriage early on, and that would also have contributed to the cancelled coronation.
🇭🇲🦘 Surprising to learn that not only Jane Seymour (but no other wife) of Henry VIII was crowned Queen, after his first 2 wives. Odd indeed. A King to be married 6 times - but Coronations for only 2 of his wives. Strange. I note however, that they are all referred to as The Queen etc. Was this normal to be called Queen Jane (for example) having Not been 'crowned' in a Coronation service, as Queen? I wonder! "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
Claire, you just taught me that neither Jane nor her successors were crowned queen. I assume that Anne of Cleves was married too short to attend this ceremony, so only Catherine and Anne Boleyn were crowned queen. Is that correct?
I think king got tired of Anne, fascinated by Jane and executed Anne to be free to marry another , Jane or someone else. Jane simply was lucky (?) , that king liked her in the moment of dissapointment of Anne . He rushed to marry her, as she wouldn’t be his mistress. But fascinating has gone quickly. It was just struck of luck Jane got pregnant at time king beginning being tired of her and then she had son. She was getting treatment of the Queen. Henry would stay with her and crowned her, albeit possibly unfaithful .
In my humble opinion this is proof enough for me that King Henry viii never loved his wives #3 thru #6 anywhere close to the way that he loved his first and second wives.
Love them and then divorce them or killed them, great. But I know what you mean, king was fascinated by Jane, learned from his first divorce, who to deal with inconvenient wife, so he acted fast. Perhaps he regretted it on some point , but not when Jane provided him with son. It’s likely he’d crowned her once she recovered from birth, should she not died. He probably would take a mistress, but Jane would remain his wife, Queen and mother of is heir.
@@Turefu2 Yes I definitely agree with you about Jane Seymour. I am sure that when Jane gave birth to her son it must've justified, in the Kings mind, what he did to Anne Boleyn. But when it comes to Jane Seymour it's all about the baby boy that she gave birth to and not really so much about her. But I do agree that the King probably would have crowned her as well as other honors to her for giving birth to a male child. But I stand by my opinion that the King did not " passionately " love his other wives the same way that he did Katherine of Aragon ( in the beginning ) and Anne Boleyn.
Henry had a wandering eye he would of sold his soul for a male heir or 2, he should of married his mistress whom he ready had a son with Bessie blount would of been so much easier methinks. 👍👍
After Elizabeth was declared illegitimate, Henry passed a law allowing him to elect his own heir. It was thought he would pick Bessie’s son, Fitzroy, but he died before Henry could do anything. Perhaps if he had married Bessie Blount though she could’ve given him more children. It would be an interesting discussion for alternate history.
@janet neatby she wasn’t (Henry wouldn’t have claimed Fitzroy if she had been) but I think she was married off within a year or two after Fitzroy’s birth
Thanks Claire. Hmmmm. Henry getting cheap in his old age? Or these ceremonies being hours and hours long perhaps his leg was not up to the challenge? 🙃💙
I think he just wanted to wait to see if she was worth spending that money on. It would have been a good celebration after the birth of Edward, had she survived.
The leg is certainly something to consider. Henry wouldn't have admitted weakness by calling things off due to his leg--he well understood the importance of pageantry. Still, the pain might have prompted him to find other reasons to postpone everything.
That was an issue. But no he was legitimate. They were married and she was proclaimed queen. Like Edward VIII was never crowned yet he is still was considered an ex king.
But wasn't Henry buried next to Jane? He must have cared for her to want that I should think. I think he was such a narcissist and so egotistical he really only loved himself. And Claire your hair is getting so long! Are you going to have it long like you used to? Thanks for the video Claire.
I suspect Henry was in love with the idea of being in love. The object of his love was less important than her ability to act like he felt he deserved.
It is incredibly hard to ‘like’ the king, and terribly easy to feel sympathy for his wives. “Step into my parlor, said the spider to the fly,” is how I would have felt, I think.
Sure think that's how catherine parr felt! And anne of cleves was worried about her head. Poor women. Great Dr. Phil victims
I wonder if Henry VIII was so pleased with Jane producing him an heir that he would have eventually had her crowned as Queen, if she hadn’t died of childbed fever.
He did seem to make empty promises though, so I also wonder if due to the cost of Queen Anne’s coronation, maybe he was reluctant to spend the money on another Queen.
It does seem that something like that played a part as her didn’t crown his future wives either.
Thank you as always for another awesome video and I’ll be tuning in again tomorrow!
Great talk. Although not crowned, Henry chose to be buried next to her when he died. Too bad that she did not survive to give Henry other children.
He was buried next to her for his ideas of continuity and dynasty. She is the one that gave him his longed for son. Just as he had her painted into his dynastic family painting altho she was already dead and he was remarried to katherine parr.
Ina Lintott. Such a pleasure to watch your daily Tudor talks. They make the past come alive.
Thank you!
They married 11 days after beheading Anne and Jane died 12 days after giving birth. Henry curses his wives by marrying them. I feel sorry for all his wives.
I wonder if he would have tired of Jane eventually even if she had given him another son and not died.
He probably would have and would have had a wandering eye but wouldn't have felt the need to dispose of her the way he did Anne.
He may have just told her to "put up with it as her betters had done"
I'm quite sure that Jane's dying was the the best thing that could have happened ( as bad as that sounds). She died before his love for her died first.
He would probably take mistress ( as he already was doing when jane was pregnant), but he wouldn't divorce her,her place was pretty much segure. He would not divorce the woman who gave him the son he wanted so much.
I love your daily Tudor updates! Thank you so much!💞
Glad you like them!
It's great to learn so much about a subject that I can't get enough of.💖💖
I hope your writing more books!I need to read some more . Love your books. I have read them twice. Thanks Claire
I am, indeed! I'm working on one on the families that owned Hever Castle. I'm writing it with my good friend, Owen Emmerson, who is castle supervisor there.
Good night Claire. Thanks for another interesting vlog.
Enjoy your weekend.
Thank you! You too!
wow..... this share really have shed some light on the situation , that i had never heard of before . such as the two women , makes much sense . thank you , for sharing.............
Thank you!
I look on Jane's death as karma for Henry. He divorced one wife and murdered another for failing to give him sons who survived. So, of course, the wife who does give him that son does not live long enough to enjoy the benefits of it.
I wouldn't like to think karma works that way let it affect the one doing wrong not the innocents around them
...or to give him his spare.
Thank you for this very interesting video, Claire!
Could you please tell me the date of the letter you quoted at 3:48 - 4:21? When did Chapuys write this letter? I haven't been able to find it in the Calendar of State Papers. Doesn't sound like marital bliss at all, if you ask me...
Kind regards, Corinna
I wonder if Henry slept with Jane before Anne's death and that the reason for the rush in marrying was that she was pregnant? She could have suffered a miscarriage early on, and that would also have contributed to the cancelled coronation.
🇭🇲🦘 Surprising to learn that not only Jane Seymour (but no other wife) of Henry VIII was crowned Queen, after his first 2 wives. Odd indeed.
A King to be married 6 times - but Coronations for only 2 of his wives. Strange. I note however, that they are all referred to as The Queen etc.
Was this normal to be called Queen Jane (for example) having Not been 'crowned' in a Coronation service, as Queen? I wonder!
"Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
I have such mixed opinions of Jane. How could she??
On the other hand how couldn't she.
My opinion was Jane really had no Choice, if jane didn’t catch Henry’s eye he could have moved on to Anne’s other cousin
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Henry might never admit it, but he seems to have learned caution from his experiences with Anne. He remained an emotional child, though a growing one.
Claire, you just taught me that neither Jane nor her successors were crowned queen. I assume that Anne of Cleves was married too short to attend this ceremony, so only Catherine and Anne Boleyn were crowned queen. Is that correct?
Yes, that's correct.
Sounds to me like Henry VIII did it on the cheap this round and continued the trend afterwards.🤔
I think king got tired of Anne, fascinated by Jane and executed Anne to be free to marry another , Jane or someone else. Jane simply was lucky (?) , that king liked her in the moment of dissapointment of Anne . He rushed to marry her, as she wouldn’t be his mistress. But fascinating has gone quickly. It was just struck of luck Jane got pregnant at time king beginning being tired of her and then she had son. She was getting treatment of the Queen. Henry would stay with her and crowned her, albeit possibly unfaithful .
Yes, I think Jane would have been "safe" after the birth of Edward, but I'm not sure she would have been happy.
In my humble opinion this is proof enough for me that King Henry viii never loved his wives #3 thru #6 anywhere close to the way that he loved his first and second wives.
Love them and then divorce them or killed them, great. But I know what you mean, king was fascinated by Jane, learned from his first divorce, who to deal with inconvenient wife, so he acted fast. Perhaps he regretted it on some point , but not when Jane provided him with son. It’s likely he’d crowned her once she recovered from birth, should she not died. He probably would take a mistress, but Jane would remain his wife, Queen and mother of is heir.
@@Turefu2 Yes I definitely agree with you about Jane Seymour. I am sure that when Jane gave birth to her son it must've justified, in the Kings mind, what he did to Anne Boleyn. But when it comes to Jane Seymour it's all about the baby boy that she gave birth to and not really so much about her. But I do agree that the King probably would have crowned her as well as other honors to her for giving birth to a male child. But I stand by my opinion that the King did not " passionately " love his other wives the same way that he did Katherine of Aragon ( in the beginning ) and Anne Boleyn.
Henry had a wandering eye he would of sold his soul for a male heir or 2, he should of married his mistress whom he ready had a son with Bessie blount would of been so much easier methinks. 👍👍
After Elizabeth was declared illegitimate, Henry passed a law allowing him to elect his own heir. It was thought he would pick Bessie’s son, Fitzroy, but he died before Henry could do anything. Perhaps if he had married Bessie Blount though she could’ve given him more children. It would be an interesting discussion for alternate history.
@@andreamolinar6883 yes I agree with you 👍
@@andreamolinar6883 I think that Bessie Blount was already married when she became Henry's mistress.
@janet neatby she wasn’t (Henry wouldn’t have claimed Fitzroy if she had been) but I think she was married off within a year or two after Fitzroy’s birth
@@andreamolinar6883 Yes , you are right. I remember that now.
How many of Henry wives were actually crowned?
Thanks Claire. Hmmmm. Henry getting cheap in his old age? Or these ceremonies being hours and hours long perhaps his leg was not up to the challenge? 🙃💙
I think he just wanted to wait to see if she was worth spending that money on. It would have been a good celebration after the birth of Edward, had she survived.
The leg is certainly something to consider. Henry wouldn't have admitted weakness by calling things off due to his leg--he well understood the importance of pageantry. Still, the pain might have prompted him to find other reasons to postpone everything.
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I guess Henry and the town ran out of money ref Ann's coronation. Thank you.
Didnt Henry VII The father of Henry VIII not crown his Mother Elizabeth Of York until after she give birth to a son and heir?
So....if she was never crowed Queen does that mean technically she wasnt the queen and Edward really wasn't his legitimate son and the proper heir?
That was an issue. But no he was legitimate. They were married and she was proclaimed queen. Like Edward VIII was never crowned yet he is still was considered an ex king.
@@Jack-yf9bc Got you. Thank you for answering, I've been wondering that for some time now.
No, she was automatically queen by her marriage to the king. There are monarchs who were never crowned but were still monarchs.
But wasn't Henry buried next to Jane? He must have cared for her to want that I should think. I think he was such a narcissist and so egotistical he really only loved himself. And Claire your hair is getting so long! Are you going to have it long like you used to? Thanks for the video Claire.
Yes, he chose to be buried next to her, probably because she gave him a surviving son, that was her legacy.
I suspect Henry was in love with the idea of being in love. The object of his love was less important than her ability to act like he felt he deserved.
How does she get a coronation, she is not the ruler!
Consorts had coronations too.