I always see Mary as someone who became queen at last and thought to herself: This is it! This is my chance at happiness! I'll finally be able to be catholic freely, have kids and a husband who loves me. A family of my own! It is such a tragic history.
@@shadrach6299 That is true, but also biased. You must be more of an Elizabeth fan. I like both Mary and Elizabeth, but I think Mary receives far more backlass. Not unfair but biased. Elizabeth was successful in her reign, it does not mean she didn't commit heinous crimes. She killed her cousin, and wanted to do it in the cowardly way by making everyone believe it was not her who did it. She also killed catholics, a whole bunch of them. Do their lives not count? Why? Because Elizabeth did good things too? Mary lived too shortly to be remembered by anything else other than being the First Queen Reignant and daughter of Henry Viii. But Elizabeth was also an imperfect being, or you think she maintained her status as queen by being virtuous and kind?
Nothing compared to the thousands she has burned to death or drawn and quartered but at least the lucky ones she liked got their heads chopped off by some half drunk fella looking for the price of his next drink.
@@MrGloryglorymanutd18but Phillip II was already filthy rich more so than Mary more than money him and his father were more interested in the political influence they can gain by adding england to their political dominance and influence
🇭🇲🦘 I learnt so much more (in this video) about Mary and Philip, than I'd ever known before. Mary was so very much in love. So very sad that Mary wasn't .... pregnant at all, and was to never have a child. ... Regardless of what any of us think of Mary! As well as becoming Queen, I believe that all she ever wanted was to be truely 'loved'. "Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
Poor mary! I truly believe she suffered a gynecological ordeal rather than phantom pregnancy. Or maybe a combination of both. Even her doctors were perplexed. A fascinating video Claire!!!
jamie Yoho with all the emphasis from her father being on producing an heir and the lengths he went to to achieve that, it’s no wonder she had such episode.
@@anneboleynfiles thats what i was thinking! A phantom pregnancy usually is discovered in the second trimester, while Mary believed she was pregnant for almost a year. In a time without modern medicine they would have had no clue what was going on and every reason to think she was with child. It must have been devastating.
@@Chipoo88 u can induce lactation in any mammal with time lol if she had a cyst, endometriosis, a phantom pregnancy and the upheaval of her hormones it could have caused any number of symptoms.
Her life was a life rainbow and storms. First treated like a princess then a bastard then a princess. Living in fear , not seeing her mother, admitted she a bastard, and husband left her. I feel sorry for her. I couldn't imagine being away from my mother for years. That was so cruel.
I often wonder which queen of England has had the worst luck. I do think that poor Queen Mary Tudor was a very unlucky Queen arguably the worst amount of luck? From the dramatic change in her childhood (her fathers change in favour) right through into adulthood she became unlucky. Poor Queen Mary!
Horrible deaths happened in the reign of every single Tudor. I feel like Mary gets a really bad reputation, but she wasn’t worse than her father or many other monarchs before her.
It is a pleasure to hear you recite the old English contemporary descriptions of the times; it informs as to our own English vernacular and it`s anachronisms that still echo the language of Tudor/Elizabethan England.
I always love your videos (your hair looks great btw)! Mary Tudor is such an interesting and tragic figure in English history, as are all the Tudor ladies in one way or another.
As I have said before Mary is not one of my favourite tudor women. But I will say on this occasion I feel a tad sorry for her. Thank you Claire you bring Tudor history to life. 👍👍
I believe that Philip did not expect Mary to live long and anticipated marrying Elizabeth afterwards which is why he didn’t push Mary to negotiate a marriage for her.
I agree. Yet another man who used Mary and didn't care much about her well being. Her story always makes me terribly sad. Everyone deserves more love and comfort than Mary ever received 😟
@@TheTam0613 That's a bit harsh. Philip was told to marry Mary by his father, Charles V/I. Mary was a decade older than him and his first cousin, once-removed. She was also rather mannish looking. How would you enjoy being forced to marry an older, plain near relation on your family's orders? The latter Queen Mary, Mary II, was made to do just this and she wept for a day and a half when told of it. Sure Mary was Queen of England, but Philip was slated to inherit a much richer kingdom - Spain - plus the Low Countries. Philip was charming and reasonably handsome. Mary was overjoyed at the prospect of Philip as her husband. If you think the prospect of power isn't a chief motivator in royal marriages (and potential royal marriages), too, you're fooling yourself. I'm certain that the royal consorts Elizabeth Woodville, Anne Boleyn, and Guildford Dudley were married to their respective spouses only because those individuals happened to be monarch. I also think that Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester, carried on his dalliance with Elizabeth I because she was a queen. She was not beautiful enough - flattery and fawning being the reasons for praise of Elizabeth's "beauty," nothing more. Absent material reasons, physical beauty is the chief motivator when men consider a wife. Elizabeth's looks did not warrant Dudley's pursuit of her (and neglect of his living wife).
@@mattwilson50 please don't mansplain to me what I already know. I have been studying the Tudors for decades. And history is full of Kings and Consorts who visited their Queen to sire a royal heir and then moved on to their affairs, dalliances, and mistresses. They may have truly loved one or more of their paramours and maybe even found comfort in them. The guys got to live some semblance, however small, of a life of their choosing. Queens never had such a chance at living any type of life in which they were in charge. So, I appreciate your thoughts, but Philip left Mary-did you listen to the whole video? He let her down, in her severe grief, only to show up when he needed some money. It's shameful how much Mary suffered at the hands of men who cared naught for her but rather her wealth and power. She needed someone to count on. Her "childhood" was cut very short and she suffered at the hand of her own father, another terrible person for doing what he did to his first two children-his daughters.
@Emma R I completely agree with you! Katherine of Aragon was the only real gift from Spain. The men that controlled Mary tried to get their hooks into Elizabeth and I'm so proud that she didn't cave, given how aggressively manipulated royal women were at the time!
Mary I must have felt so very alone. Not having born a child, yet having all the signs, must have made it so much worse. It sounds like Phillip missed Mary I too. Mary I must have been upset when Phillip returned 18 months later, not to see her, but for money to fund a war which resulted in England losing Calais
I remember hearing or reading that near the end of her life, perhaps even on her death bed, one thing that Mary really regretted was being responsible for the loss of Calais.
@@anneboleynfiles She sadly fell in love with a man who didn't love her as much as the other Philip, Duke of Bavaria did. I wonder if when her husband Philip of Spain abandon her, did she ever remember or regret not marrying the other Philip from before?
Mary had some hard obstacles to get over in life, her separation from her mother and then her death without ever seeing her again, her father then died. All her strong support systems had gone and I expect deep down she may have felt along however she did have the comfort of her faith which she had to the end and may have been a comfort to her after Philip's rejection of her.
Hi Clare 😘 I'm so sorry for missing your videos lately! I had been hospitalized and no one ever brought me my phone charger! I'm lucky to have so much to catch up on. You always bring me such joy each day! I'm sorry for being MIA! I hope you are healthy and well 💫
I wondered if you might do a video on Anne of Cleves’ family in Cleves such as her sisters Sybille and Amelia. I wondered if they had much contact after she left for England.
I have always wondered this as well! I do know Henry didn't really want her brother to know he annulled their marriage and that's one if the reasons she didn't wanna go back. But I've also wondered if she liked her freedom and being away from home and being able to enjoy her life in her own terms. I guess we will never know!!
I am also very interested in a video of Anne of Cleves. A read that she was a kind and intelligent person, definitelly the luckiest of Henry VIII's wives.
Mary Tudor was a sad and bitter woman. Raised Princess of England, a doting mother and father, at least for a while , saddly Anne Boleyn as queen, saw to it that Mary, never saw her mother again. To me that's the height of cruelty, never understood it. Mary would have been content to care for her mother. What would it have hurt? Anne didn't want Mary around baby Elizabeth without supervision, as I understand it, and while I don't understand this cruelty on Henry and Anne's part had they been kinder to Mary perhaps she would not grown up so bitter and hateful as she was and perhaps she would have been a better more tolerant Queen.
Anne Boleyn may have supported Henry's treatment of Mary, but he was the one ultimately responsible for it, and Mary's treatment got worse after Anne's execution. Chapuys was so worried that Mary would be executed that he convinced her to submit to her father and sign the oath. Mary and Elizabeth shared a household, with Elizabeth, of course, being more important as the legitimate princess. They became close. Yes, Mary was her father's "pearl" for many years, from her birth until the Great Matter, and then was treated badly for a few years before she submitted and was well treated again. She also suffered with her health, having menstrual problems and also her mental health, suffering from melancholy, as it was called then.
Part of me has always felt sorry for her. She was treated so shamefully by the ones who were supposed to love and protect her. Everyone except her mother.
@@anneboleynfiles I've tried to watch several, I end up falling asleep and learn nothing from them. And I've watch a few from Dr. Kat, don't get me wrong I like Dr. Kat but I do most of the time kind of drift off and miss her point
It is possible that Mary had a tumor that was causing the milk production. If it was pressing on the pituitary, it could cause it. It could also cause cessation of periods, another sign of pregnancy. Also I believe some other kinds of cancer that increase certain hormones can have similar effects. My mother’s cancer (which is in her entire abdomen, eight areas effected) was discovered because of it causing irregular vaginal bleeding; the scans were normal and her blood work was relatively normal. If it wasn’t for them removing her remaining ovary and uterus out of an abundance of caution, they’d never have found it. The tumor was so large that it was crushing her kidneys (causing damage) and reducing her bladder to a fifth of its usual size. She’d attributed the thickening at her waist to weight gain, but if she was a younger woman it might have been read differently. Context is tricky.
The foreign correspondence reports offer a perspective of Mary during her reign as Queen that is particularly evocative and intimate, concerning the strange “termination” of her pregnancy and returning to public life and duties to reassure her subjects, their joy and love for her, their welcome acceptance of her new husband, a Spanish Prince, and her very public and honest bereft display, seeing her husband off as she waits for his return. these reports paint a portrait of a woman very much in love with her husband, and with her people very much in love with her. I always wondered if her people came to Mistrust or even despise her because of her persecution of protestants, but also because she had married a Catholic Spaniard. From these reports, I don’t see that. I see much mutual joy and affection the queen and the people have for each other. I know her mother was very popular and I believe Henry may have been most popular when he was with her mother. I think that possibly for many English people, especially those who had remained Catholic, she perhaps was a nostalgic connection to a romantic time Previously with her parents, that she and her people very much wanted to revive.It’s sad that her love for her husband wasn’t really returned, despite his best efforts displaying affection and trying to be honest with her. But once she didn’t produce an heir, it seemed as if the man was turned off ( we’ve seen this in other episodes LOL). This episode brings out so many rich details about her, And how she was coping as best she could with loss and what must’ve been an embarrassment for her. In popular TV dramatizations you usually see wild eyed Queen Mary running around court like a crazed woman with a pillow in her stomach railing against Elizabeth shaking her like a ragdoll! I wonder what her funeral was like and if she received a big sendoff from her people. certainly her reputation now is one where I thought the people hated her and were waiting for her to croak. See my short story about Queen Mary on Medium: link.medium.com/KXahu4HAg9
Feel bad for Mary she had a rough life. Also when she thought she was pregnant and her breasts even producing milk just odd must have been so hard for her
Philip II (Valladolid, May 21, 1527 - San Lorenzo de El Escorial, September 13, 1598). He ruled the largest colonial empire in the 16th century, the Spanish Empire. Together with his second wife, Maria I of England, he was also King of England for four years until her death, in the hope of raising a Catholic heir to the throne who would rule England and the Netherlands in ‘the only Catholic way’. In 1555 and 1556, this royal couple gained notoriety in England through fierce persecution of Protestant heretics. It earned Maria Tudor the nickname 'Bloody Mary', but was at least due as hard if not more to Philip II. At first glance Filips II looked nothing like a Spaniard with his blond hair and beard, blue eyes and fair skin. Still, he was a Spaniard born and raised, who also spoke Portuguese because of his Portuguese mother, but not English, French, German or Dutch (like his father), which was a handicap in his position. he has no personal relationship with the Netherlands. He noticeably detested the boldness and casual attitude of the (Flemish) residents. To him it were all ‘Flemish Farmers’ meaning Flemish boor’, In Flemish called ‘Vlaamse boer’. Filips II was the most cruel and religious fanatic, ever known. Even Roman Catholic disgusted him. His halfsister Margaretha of Parma Governor of the Low Countries resigned in protest and left for Italy. What happened in mainly southern part of the Low Countries, that is Flanders, defies any imagination. Deaths were not counted by dozen but by hundreds reaching uncountable numbers because inventory was made by Spaniards and Roman Catholic Church. One example is well documented because it was saved aldermen of Antwerp who fled to the North of the Low Countries. The Antwerp Fury is an revolt in ONE town who lead in an few days to 8,000 deaths. Wounded, traumatized, raped were not counted. The Spanish soldiers shouted: “Santiago! España! A sangre, a carne, a fuego, a sacco!” meaning: “Saint Jacob! Spain! Murder, raped, fire, plunder! ” And many other cities proceeded and followed. Ypres, my town, the most southern city of was left of Flanders in those days counted before Filips II 40,000 inhabitants, after barely 7,000. In that same period Norfolk was overflows by Flemish refugees. The safe Amsterdam grew in ten years of an small town of less than 10,000 inhabitants to 200,000.
Filips II also had the hand in the repression of Huguenots in France. The Bartholomeus night was not the only feat of arms Filips II directed. Dear British people, thank all the Gods of any religion. And honor knowledge and common sense of Elisabeth I who did not accept the plural marriage proposals for his first son and himself.
I always enjoy speculating about the medical conditions of historical figures. So the stress and anxiety of needing to produce an heir to bump the protestant Elizabeth out of the line of succession could have been enough to cause pseudocyesis ( which sounds better than hysterical pregnancy--- hysterical pregnancy is an awkward term since pregnancy should be in the uterus). She could induce galactorrhea by frequently pressing on the breasts to see if there is milk there. A pituitary tumor -- a prolactinoma could cause both the amenorrhea and the galactorrhea. But the timing of the symptoms to right after marrying Philip make me favor the former. Fortunately her reign was short so she did not have to bankroll more of Philips military misadventures.
I do feel bad for Mary. Both Mary and Elizabeth suffered so much early in their lives. At least Mary grew up with her mom. Elizabeth did not. I’m sure Elizabeth felt guilt every time she got closed to her father knowing he ordered her mother’s execution. It was Elizabeth’s resilience that made her a great monarch. Perhaps she fought hard to honor her mother. It’s just my opinion. Great video Claire.
@@leticiagarcia9025 I am not saying she was. But that is what she was condemned as, and what they would have told Elizabeth right? As far as she knew, the accusations against her mother were true.
Raul Whatever Elizabeth heard in court about her mother she revered her fondly. She was cleverly enough not to say anything about it. Her life depended on it. She wore her mother’s jewelry. Catherine Parr made sure Elizabeth followed her mother’s faith. When she was crowned Queen she gave positions to her mother’s family. And of course she wore her the ruby locket ring. This was her way of honoring her. There were some people that knew Anne was innocent. Even Eustace Chapuys knew she was innocent and he hated her. We will never know for sure if Elizabeth knew her mom was innocent. In my opinion Elizabeth knew her mother was innocent. She also loved her. I admired her strength.
What would have happened if Mary had had a baby but if was a girl? Would that child have became the next queen or would Elizabeth still became the next queen at Mary's death?
Any child of Mary’s would have pushed Elizabeth back in the line of succession just like if today any child of Willian and Kate would push Harry further back.
@@januarysson5633 so Henry wanting Elizabeth to become queen after Mary's death isn't really set in stone. I know if she had had a boy that would trump everything just because they didn't want a female taking the thrown.
Rhonda Smith I don’t think anything could have prevented a child of Mary from succeeding after her, male or female. Children of the reigning monarch always take precedence.
Mary became a murderess but I do feel slightly sorry for her because she was again proven to be unloved and abandoned. She made a huge mistake marrying Philip and deserved a better husband.
Henry was rotten to Mary. Even after he accepted her back to court and into his life he still never arranged a good marriage for her and let her live a life filled with love and children.
I always feel so bad for Mary. She craved authoritative male support. Her father’s love was so tempestuous and anything but a given, and her husband’s was entirely conditional. To just want to be loved, and to bind herself into that relationship instead, it’s so tragic. I’m not overly fond of Mary. But I do feel for her on this matter.
What most people do not know is that Mary DID have a taste of unconditional romantic love and that was while her Dad Henry was alive. On 8 December 1539, Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg visited the court of King Henry VIII of England, with the hope of earning the favor and obtaining the hand of the King's daughter, then then-Lady Mary Tudor. This potential match was part of King Henry's plans of an alliance with the Protestant German Princes against the Emperor. For all his intents and purposes, Philip does seem to have been genuinely drawn to Lady Mary for herself. They met on 17 December in Hertford Castle, where he presented her with a gift of a pearl and diamond cross, and he kissed her. Such familiarity gave rise to the belief that the two would wed, and the majority of the English court expected a wedding within the coming months. However, King Henry did not allow this match to succeed, due to the fact that the Duke was related to queen consort Anne of Cleves, Henry’s fourth wife. The Duke was both paternally and maternally her third cousin, sharing as ancestors Frederick II, Elector of Saxony, and Margarete of Austria. Surprisingly, given their differing religious views, Lady Mary showed affection towards the Duke, as she kissed him out of court. The Duke was later sent back to his land. The plan did not come to fruition. Philip, however, was not deterred, and he visited England three more times; but only once more did he get to see Lady Mary. Tragically, Henry was persistent in refusing the Duke to marry Mary and then sadly, on 4 July 1548, he died in Heidelberg, Germany. If only Mary and Philip of Palatinate-Neuburg had been allowed to marry..... I think they both would have finally found true love.
Odd condition wasn't it? Probably some kind of growth that couldn't be investigated at the time. Given the time Henry VIII spent trying to get Reginald Pole back to England, he must have been spinning in his grave to know he'd become the Archbishop of Canterbury and to know she'd married a Spaniard.! How their times changed.
I think the fact that she also produced milk points to this also being a phantom pregnancy, but, yes, I think she did have some kind of tumour/cancer as it happened again.
I always feel for Mary despite her persecution of other religious views (sadly the mores of the times) because she had suffered a great deal from the state and religious politics in her life. I sometimes ponder that some of her happiest times must have come from her relationships with her youthful siblings who she seems to have been genuinely fond of. Maybe I just think that because I am an older sister too.
I haven't changed anything, it's down to RUclips changes and perhaps things will change again. To be honest, I have to have monetisation turned on as I just can't do all this work for free. There's no way of setting any limits. However, I know I just focus on my coffee while the adverts play. There's also RUclips premium if you watch a lot of videos and find advertising annoying. I wonder, though, if YT are doing some testing at the moment as to what works best and things will settle down.
@@anneboleynfiles thank you for replying, sorry if it seemed like a grumpy comment, I adore your channez been following for Andrew years and even have 2 books.
Poor Mary. She isn't my favourite Tudor, but she certainly didn't deserve the life she got, starting with her father's awful treatment of her mother. I wonder if things might have been different for her if her parent's divorce hadn't been so acrimonious and her father hadn't treated her (and her sister Elizabeth) with the contempt he did. As the saying goes, "you divorce wives, not children". Katherine Parr is my favourite of Henry's queens in part because she reportedly worked hard to bring her stepchildren together at their father's court and softened his attitude towards his daughters.
Why Mary married Philip? Wasn't anyone else more suitable available? Why he left her? Was it his way for divorce/separation? Henry VIII, after calling her bastard, could marry her off to English aristocrat. It'd be beneath her, but perhaps she'd have a chance for personal happiness and having children. Legitimate grandson could be very useful to Henry.
She chose to marry Philip after she came to the throne and she saw him as very suitable, being the Holy Roman Emperor's son and a Catholic. Spain were quite a powerhouse and Mary wanted to ally England with them. He left because he was needed in the Spanish Netherlands, where he was campaigning. He was the ruler of a large number of territories so had quite a responsibility and was away a lot.
I always see Mary as someone who became queen at last and thought to herself: This is it! This is my chance at happiness! I'll finally be able to be catholic freely, have kids and a husband who loves me. A family of my own!
It is such a tragic history.
I totally agree I see her really as the most tragic figure of the tudors, apart from some of Henry’s wives. But maybe even including them.
My chance to burn Protestants!
@@shadrach6299 BIGOTED UNFEELING STATEMENT! Know your history as Mary I was treated to her face to be killed, by Protestants
@@shadrach6299 That is true, but also biased. You must be more of an Elizabeth fan. I like both Mary and Elizabeth, but I think Mary receives far more backlass. Not unfair but biased.
Elizabeth was successful in her reign, it does not mean she didn't commit heinous crimes.
She killed her cousin, and wanted to do it in the cowardly way by making everyone believe it was not her who did it.
She also killed catholics, a whole bunch of them. Do their lives not count? Why? Because Elizabeth did good things too? Mary lived too shortly to be remembered by anything else other than being the First Queen Reignant and daughter of Henry Viii. But Elizabeth was also an imperfect being, or you think she maintained her status as queen by being virtuous and kind?
I don't know much about it, but sounds funny how English here tend to atribute Calays lost to Spain... ???
Mary I had a difficult life, first her father, then her mother's death, false pregnancy, husband that only wanted her money. Sad life.
Nothing compared to the thousands she has burned to death or drawn and quartered but at least the lucky ones she liked got their heads chopped off by some half drunk fella looking for the price of his next drink.
But I'm sure deep down she had a good 💓.
@@MrGloryglorymanutd18but Phillip II was already filthy rich more so than Mary more than money him and his father were more interested in the political influence they can gain by adding england to their political dominance and influence
🇭🇲🦘 I learnt so much more (in this video) about Mary and Philip, than I'd ever known before. Mary was so very much in love. So very sad that Mary wasn't
.... pregnant at all, and was to never have a child. ... Regardless of what any of us think of Mary! As well as becoming Queen, I believe that all she ever wanted was to be truely 'loved'.
"Thank you" Claire 💓👑👍
I think we might see her as somebody who’s been traumatized; certainly wounded deeply, hurt deeply
Poor mary! I truly believe she suffered a gynecological ordeal rather than phantom pregnancy. Or maybe a combination of both. Even her doctors were perplexed. A fascinating video Claire!!!
jamie Yoho with all the emphasis from her father being on producing an heir and the lengths he went to to achieve that, it’s no wonder she had such episode.
It could be that she had a growth and that made her believe she was pregnant and that led to a phantom pregnancy, so a combination.
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society what about the milk in her breasts though?
@@anneboleynfiles thats what i was thinking! A phantom pregnancy usually is discovered in the second trimester, while Mary believed she was pregnant for almost a year. In a time without modern medicine they would have had no clue what was going on and every reason to think she was with child. It must have been devastating.
@@Chipoo88 u can induce lactation in any mammal with time lol if she had a cyst, endometriosis, a phantom pregnancy and the upheaval of her hormones it could have caused any number of symptoms.
Always enjoy your videos !! You bring history alive!
Thank you!
Her life was a life rainbow and storms. First treated like a princess then a bastard then a princess. Living in fear , not seeing her mother, admitted she a bastard, and husband left her. I feel sorry for her. I couldn't imagine being away from my mother for years. That was so cruel.
I often wonder which queen of England has had the worst luck. I do think that poor Queen Mary Tudor was a very unlucky Queen arguably the worst amount of luck? From the dramatic change in her childhood (her fathers change in favour) right through into adulthood she became unlucky. Poor Queen Mary!
I have no idea why I feel so sorry for Mary. I know her reign was responsible for some really horrible deaths, but she had such a sad life.
I feel the same way.
Horrible deaths happened in the reign of every single Tudor. I feel like Mary gets a really bad reputation, but she wasn’t worse than her father or many other monarchs before her.
@@LoveNathasha True. ER I's favorite pastime was hanging, drawing and quartering.
@@LoveNathasha Or after her!
It is a pleasure to hear you recite the old English contemporary descriptions of the times; it informs as to our own English vernacular and it`s anachronisms that still echo the language of Tudor/Elizabethan England.
I always love your videos (your hair looks great btw)! Mary Tudor is such an interesting and tragic figure in English history, as are all the Tudor ladies in one way or another.
As I have said before Mary is not one of my favourite tudor women. But I will say on this occasion I feel a tad sorry for her. Thank you Claire you bring Tudor history to life. 👍👍
I believe that Philip did not expect Mary to live long and anticipated marrying Elizabeth afterwards which is why he didn’t push Mary to negotiate a marriage for her.
He certainly tried. He believed England should belong to him and fought for it
I agree. Yet another man who used Mary and didn't care much about her well being. Her story always makes me terribly sad. Everyone deserves more love and comfort than Mary ever received 😟
@@TheTam0613 That's a bit harsh. Philip was told to marry Mary by his father, Charles V/I. Mary was a decade older than him and his first cousin, once-removed. She was also rather mannish looking. How would you enjoy being forced to marry an older, plain near relation on your family's orders? The latter Queen Mary, Mary II, was made to do just this and she wept for a day and a half when told of it. Sure Mary was Queen of England, but Philip was slated to inherit a much richer kingdom - Spain - plus the Low Countries. Philip was charming and reasonably handsome. Mary was overjoyed at the prospect of Philip as her husband. If you think the prospect of power isn't a chief motivator in royal marriages (and potential royal marriages), too, you're fooling yourself. I'm certain that the royal consorts Elizabeth Woodville, Anne Boleyn, and Guildford Dudley were married to their respective spouses only because those individuals happened to be monarch. I also think that Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester, carried on his dalliance with Elizabeth I because she was a queen. She was not beautiful enough - flattery and fawning being the reasons for praise of Elizabeth's "beauty," nothing more. Absent material reasons, physical beauty is the chief motivator when men consider a wife. Elizabeth's looks did not warrant Dudley's pursuit of her (and neglect of his living wife).
@@mattwilson50 please don't mansplain to me what I already know. I have been studying the Tudors for decades. And history is full of Kings and Consorts who visited their Queen to sire a royal heir and then moved on to their affairs, dalliances, and mistresses. They may have truly loved one or more of their paramours and maybe even found comfort in them. The guys got to live some semblance, however small, of a life of their choosing.
Queens never had such a chance at living any type of life in which they were in charge.
So, I appreciate your thoughts, but Philip left Mary-did you listen to the whole video? He let her down, in her severe grief, only to show up when he needed some money. It's shameful how much Mary suffered at the hands of men who cared naught for her but rather her wealth and power. She needed someone to count on. Her "childhood" was cut very short and she suffered at the hand of her own father, another terrible person for doing what he did to his first two children-his daughters.
@Emma R I completely agree with you! Katherine of Aragon was the only real gift from Spain. The men that controlled Mary tried to get their hooks into Elizabeth and I'm so proud that she didn't cave, given how aggressively manipulated royal women were at the time!
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How heartbreaking..... The whole thing is so sad.
I am lately binge watching your videos
Me too!! A bit addicted now:)
Glad you like them!
amazing , what the power of thought can do..............
Very sad story for Mary. Thank you as always for posting.
I love your channel so much! I just love to hear you speak with that wonderful British accent! Plus you are a terrific teacher. ❤️👏🏻
Thank you! 😃
Mary I must have felt so very alone. Not having born a child, yet having all the signs, must have made it so much worse.
It sounds like Phillip missed Mary I too.
Mary I must have been upset when Phillip returned 18 months later, not to see her, but for money to fund a war which resulted in England losing Calais
Yes, she was very much in love with him.
I remember hearing or reading that near the end of her life, perhaps even on her death bed, one thing that Mary really regretted was being responsible for the loss of Calais.
@@anneboleynfiles She sadly fell in love with a man who didn't love her as much as the other Philip, Duke of Bavaria did. I wonder if when her husband Philip of Spain abandon her, did she ever remember or regret not marrying the other Philip from before?
Mary had some hard obstacles to get over in life, her separation from her mother and then her death without ever seeing her again, her father then died. All her strong support systems had gone and I expect deep down she may have felt along however she did have the comfort of her faith which she had to the end and may have been a comfort to her after Philip's rejection of her.
Hi Clare 😘 I'm so sorry for missing your videos lately! I had been hospitalized and no one ever brought me my phone charger! I'm lucky to have so much to catch up on. You always bring me such joy each day! I'm sorry for being MIA! I hope you are healthy and well 💫
I wondered if you might do a video on Anne of Cleves’ family in Cleves such as her sisters Sybille and Amelia. I wondered if they had much contact after she left for England.
I have always wondered this as well! I do know Henry didn't really want her brother to know he annulled their marriage and that's one if the reasons she didn't wanna go back. But I've also wondered if she liked her freedom and being away from home and being able to enjoy her life in her own terms. I guess we will never know!!
I tend to focus on the English side of things, but I will be researching Anne more in the future as I'd love to write a book on her.
I am also very interested in a video of Anne of Cleves. A read that she was a kind and intelligent person, definitelly the luckiest of Henry VIII's wives.
Mary Tudor was a sad and bitter woman. Raised Princess of England, a doting mother and father, at least for a while , saddly Anne Boleyn as queen, saw to it that Mary, never saw her mother again. To me that's the height of cruelty, never understood it. Mary would have been content to care for her mother. What would it have hurt? Anne didn't want Mary around baby Elizabeth without supervision, as I understand it, and while I don't understand this cruelty on Henry and Anne's part had they been kinder to Mary perhaps she would not grown up so bitter and hateful as she was and perhaps she would have been a better more tolerant Queen.
Anne Boleyn may have supported Henry's treatment of Mary, but he was the one ultimately responsible for it, and Mary's treatment got worse after Anne's execution. Chapuys was so worried that Mary would be executed that he convinced her to submit to her father and sign the oath.
Mary and Elizabeth shared a household, with Elizabeth, of course, being more important as the legitimate princess. They became close.
Yes, Mary was her father's "pearl" for many years, from her birth until the Great Matter, and then was treated badly for a few years before she submitted and was well treated again. She also suffered with her health, having menstrual problems and also her mental health, suffering from melancholy, as it was called then.
I have always felt so sad that Queen Mary had this strange condition that mimicked pregnancy. She reminds me in so many ways of her Mother.
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Poor Mary..
Part of me has always felt sorry for her. She was treated so shamefully by the ones who were supposed to love and protect her. Everyone except her mother.
Your videos are better than those book videos. I get more historical information from your videos
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Thank you! Which book videos?
@@anneboleynfiles I've tried to watch several, I end up falling asleep and learn nothing from them. And I've watch a few from Dr. Kat, don't get me wrong I like Dr. Kat but I do most of the time kind of drift off and miss her point
@@anneboleynfiles oh and one of those audio books was The Tudors by G.J. Meyer I think,,,,that knocked me right out.
It is possible that Mary had a tumor that was causing the milk production. If it was pressing on the pituitary, it could cause it. It could also cause cessation of periods, another sign of pregnancy. Also I believe some other kinds of cancer that increase certain hormones can have similar effects. My mother’s cancer (which is in her entire abdomen, eight areas effected) was discovered because of it causing irregular vaginal bleeding; the scans were normal and her blood work was relatively normal. If it wasn’t for them removing her remaining ovary and uterus out of an abundance of caution, they’d never have found it. The tumor was so large that it was crushing her kidneys (causing damage) and reducing her bladder to a fifth of its usual size. She’d attributed the thickening at her waist to weight gain, but if she was a younger woman it might have been read differently. Context is tricky.
The foreign correspondence reports offer a perspective of Mary during her reign as Queen that is particularly evocative and intimate, concerning the strange “termination” of her pregnancy and returning to public life and duties to reassure her subjects, their joy and love for her, their welcome acceptance of her new husband, a Spanish Prince, and her very public and honest bereft display, seeing her husband off as she waits for his return. these reports paint a portrait of a woman very much in love with her husband, and with her people very much in love with her. I always wondered if her people came to Mistrust or even despise her because of her persecution of protestants, but also because she had married a Catholic Spaniard.
From these reports, I don’t see that. I see much mutual joy and affection the queen and the people have for each other. I know her mother was very popular and I believe Henry may have been most popular when he was with her mother. I think that possibly for many English people, especially those who had remained Catholic, she perhaps was a nostalgic connection to a romantic time
Previously with her parents, that she and her people very much wanted to revive.It’s sad that her love for her husband wasn’t really returned, despite his best efforts displaying affection and trying to be honest with her. But once she didn’t produce an heir, it seemed as if the man was turned off ( we’ve seen this in other episodes LOL). This episode brings out so many rich details about her, And how she was coping as best she could with loss and what must’ve been an embarrassment for her. In popular TV dramatizations you usually see wild eyed Queen Mary running around court like a crazed woman with a pillow in her stomach railing against Elizabeth shaking her like a ragdoll!
I wonder what her funeral was like and if she received a big sendoff from her people. certainly her reputation now is one where I thought the people hated her and were waiting for her to croak. See my short story about Queen Mary on Medium: link.medium.com/KXahu4HAg9
Feel bad for Mary she had a rough life. Also when she thought she was pregnant and her breasts even producing milk just odd must have been so hard for her
Poor Mary could never catch a break. Had life had been kinder to her, she might not have turned out the way she did
They must have loved Mary I so sad she didn’t have a child 🧒
Philip II (Valladolid, May 21, 1527 - San Lorenzo de El Escorial, September 13, 1598).
He ruled the largest colonial empire in the 16th century, the Spanish Empire.
Together with his second wife, Maria I of England, he was also King of England for four years until her death, in the hope of raising a Catholic heir to the throne who would rule England and the Netherlands in ‘the only Catholic way’. In 1555 and 1556, this royal couple gained notoriety in England through fierce persecution of Protestant heretics. It earned Maria Tudor the nickname 'Bloody Mary', but was at least due as hard if not more to Philip II.
At first glance Filips II looked nothing like a Spaniard with his blond hair and beard, blue eyes and fair skin. Still, he was a Spaniard born and raised, who also spoke Portuguese because of his Portuguese mother, but not English, French, German or Dutch (like his father), which was a handicap in his position. he has no personal relationship with the Netherlands. He noticeably detested the boldness and casual attitude of the (Flemish) residents. To him it were all ‘Flemish Farmers’ meaning Flemish boor’, In Flemish called ‘Vlaamse boer’.
Filips II was the most cruel and religious fanatic, ever known. Even Roman Catholic disgusted him. His halfsister Margaretha of Parma Governor of the Low Countries resigned in protest and left for Italy.
What happened in mainly southern part of the Low Countries, that is Flanders, defies any imagination. Deaths were not counted by dozen but by hundreds reaching uncountable numbers because inventory was made by Spaniards and Roman Catholic Church. One example is well documented because it was saved aldermen of Antwerp who fled to the North of the Low Countries. The Antwerp Fury is an revolt in ONE town who lead in an few days to 8,000 deaths. Wounded, traumatized, raped were not counted. The Spanish soldiers shouted: “Santiago! España! A sangre, a carne, a fuego, a sacco!” meaning: “Saint Jacob! Spain! Murder, raped, fire, plunder! ” And many other cities proceeded and followed. Ypres, my town, the most southern city of was left of Flanders in those days counted before Filips II 40,000 inhabitants, after barely 7,000. In that same period Norfolk was overflows by Flemish refugees. The safe Amsterdam grew in ten years of an small town of less than 10,000 inhabitants to 200,000.
Filips II also had the hand in the repression of Huguenots in France. The Bartholomeus night was not the only feat of arms Filips II directed.
Dear British people, thank all the Gods of any religion. And honor knowledge and common sense of Elisabeth I who did not accept the plural marriage proposals for his first son and himself.
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One can't help feeling sorry for Mary. She lived a life of such privilege and yet she had so much unhappiness in her life.
I always enjoy speculating about the medical conditions of historical figures. So the stress and anxiety of needing to produce an heir to bump the protestant Elizabeth out of the line of succession could have been enough to cause pseudocyesis ( which sounds better than hysterical pregnancy--- hysterical pregnancy is an awkward term since pregnancy should be in the uterus). She could induce galactorrhea by frequently pressing on the breasts to see if there is milk there. A pituitary tumor -- a prolactinoma could cause both the amenorrhea and the galactorrhea. But the timing of the symptoms to right after marrying Philip make me favor the former. Fortunately her reign was short so she did not have to bankroll more of Philips military misadventures.
I do feel bad for Mary. Both Mary and Elizabeth suffered so much early in their lives. At least Mary grew up with her mom. Elizabeth did not. I’m sure Elizabeth felt guilt every time she got closed to her father knowing he ordered her mother’s execution. It was Elizabeth’s resilience that made her a great monarch. Perhaps she fought hard to honor her mother. It’s just my opinion. Great video Claire.
She would have grown up since 2 hearing her mother was a traitor. What would make her want to honor her?
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Anne Boleyn was not a Traitor.
@@leticiagarcia9025 I am not saying she was. But that is what she was condemned as, and what they would have told Elizabeth right? As far as she knew, the accusations against her mother were true.
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Whatever Elizabeth heard in court about her mother she revered her fondly. She was cleverly enough not to say anything about it. Her life depended on it. She wore her mother’s jewelry. Catherine Parr made sure Elizabeth followed her mother’s faith. When she was crowned Queen she gave positions to her mother’s family. And of course she wore her the ruby locket ring. This was her way of honoring her. There were some people that knew Anne was innocent. Even Eustace Chapuys knew she was innocent and he hated her. We will never know for sure if Elizabeth knew her mom was innocent. In my opinion Elizabeth knew her mother was innocent. She also loved her. I admired her strength.
What would have happened if Mary had had a baby but if was a girl? Would that child have became the next queen or would Elizabeth still became the next queen at Mary's death?
Any child of Mary’s would have pushed Elizabeth back in the line of succession just like if today any child of Willian and Kate would push Harry further back.
If she’d had a baby, regardless of gender, it would have inherited the throne.
@@januarysson5633 so Henry wanting Elizabeth to become queen after Mary's death isn't really set in stone. I know if she had had a boy that would trump everything just because they didn't want a female taking the thrown.
Rhonda Smith I don’t think anything could have prevented a child of Mary from succeeding after her, male or female. Children of the reigning monarch always take precedence.
If she just had a daughter then her daughter would have been next in line, but of she'd then had a son, he would have taken precedence.
We need to remember, that Mary 1 as well as Elizabeth was king Henrys child.
Mary became a murderess but I do feel slightly sorry for her because she was again proven to be unloved and abandoned. She made a huge mistake marrying Philip and deserved a better husband.
Henry was rotten to Mary. Even after he accepted her back to court and into his life he still never arranged a good marriage for her and let her live a life filled with love and children.
I agree, she was more a political tool to sit on the shelf until needed than a daughter to him. I’m not super fond of Mary, but no one deserves that.
I always feel so bad for Mary. She craved authoritative male support. Her father’s love was so tempestuous and anything but a given, and her husband’s was entirely conditional. To just want to be loved, and to bind herself into that relationship instead, it’s so tragic. I’m not overly fond of Mary. But I do feel for her on this matter.
What most people do not know is that Mary DID have a taste of unconditional romantic love and that was while her Dad Henry was alive. On 8 December 1539, Philip, Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg visited the court of King Henry VIII of England, with the hope of earning the favor and obtaining the hand of the King's daughter, then then-Lady Mary Tudor. This potential match was part of King Henry's plans of an alliance with the Protestant German Princes against the Emperor. For all his intents and purposes, Philip does seem to have been genuinely drawn to Lady Mary for herself. They met on 17 December in Hertford Castle, where he presented her with a gift of a pearl and diamond cross, and he kissed her. Such familiarity gave rise to the belief that the two would wed, and the majority of the English court expected a wedding within the coming months.
However, King Henry did not allow this match to succeed, due to the fact that the Duke was related to queen consort Anne of Cleves, Henry’s fourth wife. The Duke was both paternally and maternally her third cousin, sharing as ancestors Frederick II, Elector of Saxony, and Margarete of Austria.
Surprisingly, given their differing religious views, Lady Mary showed affection towards the Duke, as she kissed him out of court. The Duke was later sent back to his land. The plan did not come to fruition. Philip, however, was not deterred, and he visited England three more times; but only once more did he get to see Lady Mary. Tragically, Henry was persistent in refusing the Duke to marry Mary and then sadly, on 4 July 1548, he died in Heidelberg, Germany. If only Mary and Philip of Palatinate-Neuburg had been allowed to marry..... I think they both would have finally found true love.
Odd condition wasn't it? Probably some kind of growth that couldn't be investigated at the time. Given the time Henry VIII spent trying to get Reginald Pole back to England, he must have been spinning in his grave to know he'd become the Archbishop of Canterbury and to know she'd married a Spaniard.! How their times changed.
I think the fact that she also produced milk points to this also being a phantom pregnancy, but, yes, I think she did have some kind of tumour/cancer as it happened again.
I always feel for Mary despite her persecution of other religious views (sadly the mores of the times) because she had suffered a great deal from the state and religious politics in her life. I sometimes ponder that some of her happiest times must have come from her relationships with her youthful siblings who she seems to have been genuinely fond of. Maybe I just think that because I am an older sister too.
Can we have less adverts please, 2 at the start, 4 more between and two at the end
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I haven't changed anything, it's down to RUclips changes and perhaps things will change again. To be honest, I have to have monetisation turned on as I just can't do all this work for free. There's no way of setting any limits. However, I know I just focus on my coffee while the adverts play. There's also RUclips premium if you watch a lot of videos and find advertising annoying.
I wonder, though, if YT are doing some testing at the moment as to what works best and things will settle down.
@@anneboleynfiles thank you for replying, sorry if it seemed like a grumpy comment, I adore your channez been following for Andrew years and even have 2 books.
Sorry but these constant adverts put me off
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Poor Mary. She isn't my favourite Tudor, but she certainly didn't deserve the life she got, starting with her father's awful treatment of her mother. I wonder if things might have been different for her if her parent's divorce hadn't been so acrimonious and her father hadn't treated her (and her sister Elizabeth) with the contempt he did. As the saying goes, "you divorce wives, not children". Katherine Parr is my favourite of Henry's queens in part because she reportedly worked hard to bring her stepchildren together at their father's court and softened his attitude towards his daughters.
I have no pity for Mary. England lucked out with Mary's short reign and Elizabeth coming up behind her.
Why Mary married Philip? Wasn't anyone else more suitable available? Why he left her? Was it his way for divorce/separation? Henry VIII, after calling her bastard, could marry her off to English aristocrat. It'd be beneath her, but perhaps she'd have a chance for personal happiness and having children. Legitimate grandson could be very useful to Henry.
I think Spain needed an alliance with England and Philip was available at the time.
She chose to marry Philip after she came to the throne and she saw him as very suitable, being the Holy Roman Emperor's son and a Catholic. Spain were quite a powerhouse and Mary wanted to ally England with them.
He left because he was needed in the Spanish Netherlands, where he was campaigning. He was the ruler of a large number of territories so had quite a responsibility and was away a lot.
@@anneboleynfilesHe still abandoned her, and didn't love her in action.
Usually enjoy your videos. Shame that not 5 minutes in and two video ads totally breaking your tale. Can't watch anymore.
Suburbia Pheonix That is unfortunately the new You Tube policy.... they get to put in the ads rather than the channel owner.
Horrible woman! Thank God she never had a child - her dreadful legacy might have continued for decades.